SMT thread

>>383303829
Because it is.

I sure hope I'm making the right choice going chaos in my first run of SMT 2

>>383303829
I've only played Nocturne and I'm planning to play the others.

Is SMT IV a good game to play next?

>>383304163
SMT IV has its flaws. But, it's still a solid game.
Then follow it up with Apocalypse after.

>>383303829
The boss fights in SMT IV: A don't revolve around boss attack RNG as much as Nocturne, like there's nothing like Mot's Beast Eye spam.

I think the only things truly out of your control are random crits, and maybe Krishna's status effects but there's the hazmat suit and Alice for that.

>>383304013
No It's not.
>worst story
>worst protagonist
>worst music
>>383304163
4 is even worse than Apocalypse. I recommend Digital Devil Saga next.

>>383304665
>I recommend a game with no fusing, negotiations and endless grinding next
>>383304013
This.

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>>383304665
>worst story
Nocturne didn't have a story yet it was still terrible. Final has a story and while bad is still better than Nocturne because at least the characters aren't cliche law and chaos (or reason) advocates who do nothing but spout dribble at you.

>worst protagonist
Nanashi fits his games atmosphere to a t. He's also not a jobber.

>worst music
Come on now. IV and Final had the best OST in Megaten history.

I am playing through DDS1 for the first time and I am about to go into Nirvana, but isit even worth it to go for a second playthrough? Having no Macca and losing all your stats seems like a very big chore, even if the Demi Fiend is in it. Is fighting the Four Guardians and all of the other optional bosses even worth it, or should I just go for finishing the story and moving on to DDS2?

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SMT and Persona a shit

I found Apocalypse to be pretty shitty.

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>>383305861
>IV and Final had the best OST in Megaten history.
You were doing so good up until that part too.

>>383303829
It's "Apocalypse", not "Final" you dirty weeb.

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>>383306057
>mfw we will never get a new devil summoner ever again

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>>383304665
>worst music
look a this faggot and laugh

>>383303829
Should I play the SNES or IOS version of SMT 1?

>>383306092
DDS 1 and 2 are god-tier, but they have nothing on this.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaj3VGJ2A

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>>383306720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IDL5XWQVo

>>383306462
iOS, its the only officially translated version of SMT 1

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>>383307057
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7OPm3dVPIcE

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>>383307779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZJuNTYyeqQ

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>>383305861
>>383306261
There is not a single song better than ONE

>>383303829
They're stupid and probably played this and 4 first. I would say the combat system and fusion are better but everything else, bosses, dungeons, story, setting, even the fucking characters are worse and that's really fucking saying something considering Nocturne's are just barely a step above cardboard cutouts. I know a lot of people will say combat and fusion is all they need but in my opinion if I've got nothing interesting that I want to do with either of those mechanics outside of random encounters then it doesn't really matter in the end.

>>383303829
i've literally never seen anyone say that

>>383304665
>4 is even worse than Apocalypse

uh no

>>383303829
LMAO not preferring Persona to mainline

>>383304123
You're making the correct choice. Lawfags are retarded especially in SMT2. Neutral is equally retarded

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post favorite demons

>>383303829
Final is great and i also play persona

deal with it faggot

is this the only theme that has been in both smt and persona?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ldkuQUaVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7VYIpwRXYw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_kQqQvIsRQ

>>383309923
You haven't been in a lot of recent smt threads have you? Nowadays nintenbabies claim that Nocturne almost ruined SMT but 4 and Final revitalized it

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>>383311214
I'd die for her

>>383304123
SMT 2 has the happiest chaos ending
makes you feel like a savoir
It also helps that Lucifer is pretty bro in that game

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>>383311214
>>383312187

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Been playing Megami Tensei II.
Anybody else get a bit of a Dragon Quest vibe from this game?

does anyone here mod P3P? I'm doing it right now and changing all the music to some reel shin megoomi tensay music

>>383303829
Because in terms of gameplay and QoL improvement, it's far above Nocturne.
Though if you speak about atmoshpere, Nocturne is pretty much unbeatable. And given how shitty is the writing in IVA, Nocturne is also better in term of story, which is quite a feat since the game didn't have a very interesting story to begin with...
But come on, we are all SMTfags, we must not fight among ourselves. Persona is the real nemesis.

>>383306092
Not him but while I agree that it's a very debatable opinion, SMT IV and IVA do have a pretty good soundtrack imo.

>>383313501
>persona 3+ is the real nemesis
FTFY

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>>383309167
I dunno man, I beat Nocturne this week and the OST wasn't all that great.
I only really liked a handful of them those were.
>TALK
>Fiend theme
>pre conception map
>last map area theme
>Deathflies
>oldman from the underworld
Other than those I thought the rest were just okay or meh.
Amala battle theme is cool too, but that one is originally from if....

>>383313501
Persona 5 has better dungeons than SMT4 and Apocalypse.

>>383305861
>Nocturne didn't have a story
It did but it's just 2deep4u


> at least the characters aren't cliche law and chaos (or reason)
Confirmed for not playing the game. Nocturne law and chaos are far from cliche.

>>383303829
I found Nocturne too slow, and the repeated animations get nauseating

>>383313980
>persona 3+
Indeed. The first two games (never played Innocent Sin so I don't know) were great.

>>383314427
It has longer dungeons for sure, but I wouldn't say they were better. They were pretty much boring very quickly, and - I speak for myself here - absolutely not memorable. Not hard, nor clever, just tedious, because you get how they work extremely quickly and they last forever. But I guess that's also because the pace of Persona 3+ games is fundamentaly broken, when you want to optimize your time.

Though, in Persona, dungeons are not even 30% of the game. And even in SMT, it's clearly not the main selling point of the game either.

>>383306092
>Got both these games for £10 all in from CEX and they smell of piss

What am I in for

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>>383314427

>>383304163
I'm loving 4 so far, I thought Nocturne was average

>>383315196
wait a minute that switch...

>>383315043
I thought Nocturnes dungeon weren't all that memorable either the only dungeons I liked was the moonphase thing in the obelisk, playing tag with Dante from devil may cry and those optical illusions in the diet building.
Maybe I had too much expectations og itbsince I heard a lot if anons talk about how trash iv and IVA was because of the lack dungeons and how shit the p5 dungeons were compared to nocturnes dungeons.

>>383315196
Actually Kamoshida Castle is the only dungeon I didn't find too bad. Maybe because I was happy they dropped the RNG levels and was still surprise about that. But it might also be because the game took the time to built up a bit Kamoshida personality, and because I wasn't already aware of the cycle that was going to happen for the rest of the game : new bad guy, new partner, new confession, repeat.

It's got better gameplay, better story/characters, mostly better music, and better pacing.

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>>383315783
How could you forget this one?

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>Apocalypse improved almost everything from IV
>But some fucking retard decided it would be a good idea to lock the skill slot apps behind levels
>Need level 75 to get all 8 demon skill slots
Its really fucking hard to enjoy the improvements when the best part of the game (demon fusion/management) feels so god damn restricted. What the fuck Atlus.

>>383303829
Probably because literally everything id better than nocturne when it's not strictly about zhe combat/fusioning.

Fucking hell, even games like pong and tetris have a more coherent story and characters than nocturne.

>>383316183
Eh I am not really a huge senpai of teleporter dungeons, but now that you mention the amala temple, the red temple wuth the shadows was cool too.

>>383316807
>I am not really a huge senpai of teleporter dungeons
Exactly, the White Temple is objectively bad on all levels which is how I'm not sure how you could forget it or the Tower of Kagutsuchi.

I don't think you're giving the Assembly of Nihilo enough credit, I thought the puzzles in that one were the second best behind the Moon Phase ones in the Obelisk.

>>383316593
It was for the best, if you could use 8 skills from the start the game would be way easier orbthe begining atleast and I'll take that over rng skill inheritance any time of the day.

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>>383311214
c l a i m e d

>>383317021
Personally i think that if there is one part of the game that needs to be easier or at least get by faster its the beginning. Its probably the worst part of the game because of how restricted you are by the lack of apps. They should instead focus on making the mid and end parts of the game harder. Look at how much of a joke IV turned out after Naraku.

>>383315783
Nocturne is a bit different from IV and IVA in terms of dungeons since it actually has dungeons and some pretty difficult ones (though I played the game when I was younger so...). But from what I recall, this game gave me hard time.

My complain about P5 was more that the dungeons were too long and in the same time, not very interesting in term of level design. It really felt like an artificial way to boost the length of the game (which was absolutely not necessary). I mean I know it's not a zelda or something dungeon, but if you just want to throw some regular basic RPG dungeons, don't make them drag on so many floors...
I also have a real problem with the writing of the game but that's another story, and even SMTIVA is very hard to defend on that specific point.

>>383303829
Because the fusion system in Nocturne is ass.

That alone makes Nocturne worse.

>>383317483
>They should instead focus on making the mid and end parts of the game harder. Look at how much of a joke IV turned out after Naraku.
Yeah IV was pretty much a victory lap after Naraku, but I thought IVA was consistently hard and it gave mea much harder time than nocturne.
By the time I got divine shot I blew through bosses pretty easily and when I got deadly fury and spiral viper the gane was pretty much over in terms of difficulty.
The last boss I remember giving me a hard time in nocturne was kin-ki or sui-ki.

>>383317390
my dick is confused

>Want to play these games
>Just have a PC..

Sigh

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>>383317493
Nocturne dungeons aren't all that hard, the first few dungeons were har, because it was a battle of endurance for the most part, but when I went out of my way to fuse a demon with makatira and manalift that problem was pretty much solved for the rest of the fane the only dungeon that stopped me in my tracks for a second was the moonphase one where you had to figure out how you had to walk to fight all three sisters in one run.
However if there is one level that drove ne insane it was fucking puzzleboy.

>>383318431
You can emulate most ifvthem though unless you mean the 3ds ones specifically.

>>383314791
No Nocturne just has the worst SMT story.

>>383318431
every emulate every smt game ever

>>383318768
>you mean the 3ds ones specifically.

I mean the 3ds ones actually..Is it possible?

>>383318431
How shitty is your PC? Nocturne is very easy to play on PCSX2, and pretty much most of the old-school games (Up until SMT2) are easy to emulate, and SJ can be played on DeSmuME. I'm not sure if there's a good 3DS emulator yet, so tough shit for 4/4A.

>>383313992
Ahriman/Noah/Chiaki's battle theme is goat though

>>383303829
I don't think I disliked a JRPG party more than I disliked the gang in Apocalypse. I didn't hate them or anything, but I didn't click with them at all. Maybe it'd be better if I played with Japanese VA

>>383318856
you can*
>>383318885
yes but with 60-80% emulation speed

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>>383318834
I take it you've never played Apocalypse?

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>>383319191
I take it you've never played Nocturne?

>>383318928
That is why you kill them, but if I have to be honest the only one I actually cared about was Gaston, navarre and Hal were allright, Doggo was okay because shitting on her was fun (fucking power), I did not care for Toki at all in the slightest and Nozomi can die in a ditch as far as I care and as I am writing this I realized I forgot about the monkey which is telling what I think of her.

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Going to replay Nocturne soon, so I wanted to set up my team in advance. I feel like I could've done this better, so if you want to help you can.

>>383319720
Get a koppa tengu it carried me until like halfway through the game.

>>383319648
Aside from his boss fight there is literally nothing wrong with Isamu, he just wanted a world where people were free to be themselves.

>>383320008
He is a fucking loser, he is the only one who gets rekt by someone else.

>>383320008
Besides the fact that his movations don't make sense and he does a complete 180 in personality.

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>>383319648
I take it you've never played Persona 5 ?

Nah joking, it's not even a real competition.

>>383320732
Please tell me that's a shop.

>>383321143
The entire fucking game is pretty much "ADULTS ARE BAD FUCK THEM".

>>383318668
Oh yeah I remember the first dungeons to be an absolute ordeal ahah. It was my first SMT, didn't know what to expect. Though like I said, for me the dungeons never were the selling point of SMT nor persona games. Might also be why I liked IV and IVA more in terms of gameplay.

>>383318361
it shouldn't be.

>>383321143
It's not. And it's not a one time sentence. It's basically the leitmotiv of the game.

>>383321503
I've played it but I don't remember Ryuji saying that line verbatim, that's also an oversimplification of what the game is trying to get across it's about people in power who abuse said power. Yoshida and Iwai are both adults and aren't 'evil'.

>>383321503
persona games are aimed at edgy underage teens
more news at eleven

>>383304665
Apoc literally had the best gameplay from an SMT yet, mainline and spinoffs.

>>383310615
Spotted the edgelord

>>383321634
after seeing them high heels you're right

>>383321719
>I've played it but I don't remember Ryuji saying that line verbatim
He spouts that or some variation of it plenty of times for like the first two or three palaces, then he chills for the rest of the game.

>>383321574
I liked IV and IVA more too, Nocturne is a great game, but the only thing it has over is atmosphere and production value.
You could argue character as well, but the are hardly in there you just come across them 2 or 3 times in the game where they just talk about their reasons for a bit so you know what their deal is and then just fuck off.

>>383321719
Yes it's a simplification. But the story telling is god awful and the characters have anime-tier personality, so the whole "real message" of the game is beyond irrelevant at that point.

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I beat the game a second time a few days ago. I went for the friend ending since I did the anarchy on my first run.

It felt weird seeing that kind of ending that would normally suit a Persona game.

Because it has shitty animu waifubait like Asahi and Toki.

>>383322772
That is why no one should go bonds what they did to dagda was disgusting and them pretending like it is fine makes them even worse than anarchy Nanashi.

>>383303829
So what happened with the JP livestream?
I bet it was dumb shit as always

>>383322772
>It felt weird seeing that kind of ending that would normally suit a Persona game.
The entire writing of apocalypse reeked of fanfiction to me.

>>383322212
Yes, I couldn't have say that better (I would also add in Nocturne's favor that 3D models for battle are better than gifs artworks) !
For the characters, I think that the fact that you see them VERY few times in the game is actually what made them "okay" and not garbage. The more time you take to develop the characters, the more you're risking to make them clichéd, especially in a Japanese production. Sometimes, minimalistic narration is just the best option.
The example is a bit extreme but that's also why Other M, fucked with Samus personality.

>>383319720
Get an Arabahkai with Taunt and Focus ASAP.

>>383306057
>Nemissa will never suck your dick

>>383323040
I jerked off to Toki porn and enjoyed the massacre route's gameplay. I'd say I got the most out of IV:A. Just hope they don't continue the whole love triangle anime cliche shit with future titles. Main party waifu and demonfus are fine.

map navigation alone makes A>4 for me

>>383318909
>pretty much most of the old-school games (Up until SMT2) are easy to emulate
what emulator do you recommend?

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>mfw played the entirety of Nocturne on a emulator and just now realized that the map was supposed to show the doors

Did anyone else have this issue?

>>383324437
Snes9x for the SNES games.

Persona 1/2/3 is also easily played with PPSSPP.

>>383317483
It really gets that much easier? I got past Medusa who pushed my shit in a few times, but haven't done much upon arriving in Tokyo.

>>383326331
It gets easier and easier, to the point of the final bosses being absolute fucking jokes.

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>>383311214

>>383326331
It is I am not sure what makes everyting so easy after Naraku, but the rest of the game is just a cakewalk outside some super bosses and one optional boss.

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>>383311214

I played and finished Apocalypse and never touched IV. Why does /v/ recommend IV so much, it's outdated

>>383326852
How do you know it's outdated if you never touched it?

>>383326963
Had a friend play it while I played apoc

>>383324241
>Toki porn
Where
>>383315783
Most atlus games outside of EO lately never had good dungeon design.
It was better in 5th gen era.

TODAY

>>383303829
>mostly refinement of previous entry that makes it good
>piss poor plot and supporting members
>actual difficulty with its gameplay with better balance
It's the equivalent to FE Conquest. Take it as you will
>>383305861
Rather have limited story than a shit and more involved story. Didn't mind earlier entries for the narrative being in the back burner outside of shit alignment reps at times.

What's the best SMT game and why is it Persona 3 Portable?

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>>383328848
I want you to show me where it says 'Shin Megami Tensei' on this box art.

>>383328848
Because no The Answer
But seriously IVA because it's the only one with consistently good gameplay and challenge curve in its (sub?) series. Well main line.

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>>383328848
Soul Hackers, nerd.

>>383312487
Holy fuck is that design good. Are you playing the famicom original or the snes remake? I believe both are translated.

>>383328558
>It's the equivalent to FE Conquest. Take it as you will
This. So much this. Excellent pace and gameplay, terrible story and characters.

>>383328952

On the JP box, dude.

Don't say 'that doesn't count' since you posted a picture of the ps2 version when that anon said portable.

>>383329223
The Famicom version's translation isn't finished and likely won't be for a while unless somebody gets on that shit immediately.

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Apoc's story was good, it's the writing that's shit outside of the Divine Powers.

Pleb here, on my first run of nocturne. How should I go about my build? So far I have done five points in strength and two in vitality.

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>>383329313
I want you to show me where it says Shin Megami Tensei.

>>383329673
Never played the dlc, why do you beat the fuck out of Stephen?

>>383329673
Is Nanashi the son of Demifiend?

>>383329313
>>383328952
How come people get mad with P3+4 getting mislabelled as SMT while any of the other game between nocturne and P4G(where they stopped putting SMT in overseas titles) had the same thing yet rarely a scenario happens?
DDS, Raidou era of devil summoners and Devil survivor never had SMT in the JP title or covers like persona P3 and Vanilla P4 did.

>>383325218
Is snes9x kown to crash when running smt 2?

>>383329954
All the MCs died in their games at certain points.
>Hero: When the nukes hit Tokyo
>Aleph: Megiddo Arc
>Demifiend: Fighting Lucifer
>Flynn: Merkabah created the black hole

So Stephen decides to give them a second chance and test you on a 5v1.

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>>383329818

Right here

Only good thing nocturne did was the mc and the fiends. Everything else sucked, it was literally a dungeon simulator

>>383329954
You gotta save the bitch ass messiahs that got their shits kicked in.
After that Steven gets off his chair and asks them to prove themselves and that reviving them was worth it and not a mistake.

>>383329710
Restart and go luck only.

>>383330414
>it was literally a dungeon simulator
What the fuck should it have been? I get not liking nocturne but what the fuck are you talking about?

>>383330347
>Flynn: Merkabah created the black hole
>Aleph: Megiddo Arc
So these two where law?
>Demifiend: Fighting Lucifer
True demon end not surprising honestly
>Hero: When the nukes hit Tokyo
Didn't even start eh?

>>383331093
Flynn was gathering hope for the chalice so Neutral. No clue on Aleph though.

>>383329710
dont listen to this >>383330743 dumbass retard. You should either focus on strenght or magic which ever you prefer. I like going strenght so I put almost every point into strenght until I reach 30 and than I start putting points into vitality and agility. Luck is meme stat and is worthless

>>383330414
>it was literally a dungeon simulator
Isn't this the point of SMT though, that's like saying Mario is bad for being a jumping simulator; sounds like the genre just isn't for you.

>>383331083
>>383331369

The point is that 4 and ultimate are better because they add good characters and an actual story.

>>383331093
Unless Satan forgot him, Aleph is on chaos/neutral, he has to find a way to warp to Eden from the surface of the earth and stop the arc from firing. If aleph died to the beam, then he failed.

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>>383311214
ENDURING

>>383331320
Luck is the only worthwhile stat in Nocturne though.

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>>383331486
>they add good characters
Name ONE (1) good character from IV/Apocalypse.

>>383331289
>Flynn was gathering hope for the chalice so Neutral
Hmm yes i can see that

>No clue on Aleph though.

Of all the protagonist he is the most polite and even says "i pray for your safety" sounds pretty lawful?
And let's not forget even in law he still has to fight YHVH

>>383331716
You just posted

>>383329673
>Doomguy gets left out

>>383331843
lhahahal;ak;afjdakl;lfhal;kfjdaskl;fjda;sklfj;al

>>383331320
Thanks. I have heard strength is much better here but I didn't know if I should focus on something as well.

The reason I don't really like Apocalypse is because it just feels shitty to drag Flynn through the mud so some 15 year old wannabe persona protag can take the spotlight.

I know it's SMT and protags don't get happy endings, but it was pretty fucking wretched.

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>>383331963
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Finished IV a few days ago, went Law route. I liked it, was pretty cool. But I heard that the canon ending is neutral. Should I start playing IV:A anyway or is it better if I just beat IV again to get the neutral ending? I don't really mind to be honest

personafags on suicide watch in 8 hours

>>383303829
First game's story finishes with either of lucifer dying, an archangel dying, or both. The story feels incomplete, no matter what ending you go for.
Final has an entire new faction making for a 3 way battle throughout the whole game. All 3 factions dying isn't even the end of the game, as you have to also go for the most conclusive ending to any SMT by killing God himself by revealing his true form.

>>383332145
Apoc isn't a 'true' sequel to IV's neutral route, it's more a 'What if some little turd burglar teenager fucked up while Flynn was saving mankind'.

>>383332145
you only get halfway thru the neutral end before the events of IV:A change what actually happens

>>383332252
Still, it would spoil the neutral ending for me if I played it right now wouldn't it?

>>383322772
Everyone keeps saying this, but practically every SMT has a route in it where it's all about hope in humanity.

The whole idea of "kill your friends" is a meme that's so out of control it no longer has any context. Not once is doing that presented as a joyful action, friends are always a good thing and having to fight them for different beliefs is always a bad thing.

>lost Apoc with 30h+ of progress
>the place with the undub ver was down
>proceed to get 4 even thought wasn't full undubed

I'm digging the setting and the chars more, but its ui and gameplay isn't refined as in Final. What do?

>>383332117
SJ honestly should've been a new IP and the next one takes place on Mars.

>>383332521
Sure? I mean, you can already sorta guess at what the neutral ending for IV is, right?

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>>383332635
Anyone with the best taste knows it is hands down the best SMT made so far. I'm happy we are getting the remake but i wish it have been a sequel instead

>>383332635
>SJ honestly should've been a new IP and the next one takes place on Mars

And the only alignment should be Law as in Law light-neutral or dark and if you consider the novels canon which i don't, Doomguy is law

>>383332842
I want to like it, but grid based dungeon crawling with random encounters makes it feel really dated and a chore.

>>383332145

Neutral isn't canon. SMT 4 Apoc itself estabilishes each ending, plus the two versions of Neutral happened on a different timeline each, not to mention SMT 4 showing two alternate timelines while Apoc shows one more (Twisted Tokyo).

Apoc isn't an actual sequel to SMT 4's Neutral ending, the basic is:

>what if some random kid did this thing before Flynn could complete the Neutral route?

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>>383303829
>"i am VINSHU-FLYNN"
>mfw
Everything that isn't gameplay related is fucking trash in Final, goddamn.

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>>383333235

>>383333285
I think it's more like
>What if this dead motherfucker decided he didn't like being dead?

>>383333235
I kinda hate these type of games too, but somehow, i fell in love with strange journey and etrian oddyssey.

I guess it is because of all the npc and monster interactions happening as well when you go on a run instead of just "go grind and complete the map and come back for rewards" style that most of the other games usually do.

Everytime you enter a new map, shit is getting on fire, and i'm either running for my life or fighting for it. It is pretty thrilling.

>>383333530
The dungeon size and maze quality doesn't bother me. The last dungeon in final was worse.
It's random encounters and grid based movement that I have an issue with. It's like they went back to SMT2, skipping all future game improvements.

>>383333293

I was pretty ok with the plot in Apoc until Stephen just showing up and going "Yo senpai go kill God" and everyone just rolls with it. Felt pretty awkward desu

Gaston betraying the angels felt off to me as well, i still don't really get why he did it, it was so rushed it felt like he was butthurt

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>>383333293
Are you insinuating that the OST wasn't pure koncert?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG22JL4RRTI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7VZAAAs-YI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaj3VGJ2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdnNUYDmXOg

>>383332842
Hahaha, no. The only good thing about it is Mastema.

>>383331963
Contrary to what you autists think, Atlus doesn't consider SJ mainline.

>>383334093
Then why does it say Shin Megami Tensei on the Japanese box art?

>>383334093
>Atlus doesn't consider SJ mainline
Nice meme.

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>worst boy becomes best boy in the following game

How?

>>383334269
Because it's not in Tokyo, but everyone knows it's mainline.

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>>383334206
>>383334269
Does that make Devil Summoner mainline too?

>>383334359
Being dead does things to you I guess.

>>383309167
>not lucifer's theme instead of some meme song

Almost beating Apocalypse, should i play the originals in order?

I got Megami Tensei 1/2 and SMT 1/2 in my 3DS through emulation, and could play Nocturne afterwards. Is it worth it?

>>383334014
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG22JL4RRTI

I love this theme so much. It fits perfectly the atmosphere of the game. It's like a perfect mix between mystery and comfiness. And that "seagull" howl in the midle is godly.

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>>383334451

>>383334708
Can't speak for MT but SMT 1 and 2 are both really great. It might take a while to get used to but it's worth it.

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>>383311214
Best demonfu

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>>383334423
>>383334451
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TZWlh_KN_JA
Like I said, nice meme

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>>383311214

> playing Apoc
> tfw manage to fuse an Arahabaki with Resist Fire and Resist Elec
> He levels up and gets Null Ice
> Then one of his skills mutated into Null Force

LOCAL DEMON IS FUCKING INVICIBLE

>>383334843

Sounds dope, thanks senpai.

>>383334914
I can't understand moon, what are they saying?

>>383331716
What homebrew do you use to take screenshots? I tried with BootNTR, but it uses the A press button which brings the game back and moves to the next dialogue, from which I didn't want to take a pic of.

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>>383311214
I unironically blah blah blah I show up every now and then
post Dagdas

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>>383334914
No argument.

>>383334809
>a fan-made timeline image
Please come back to me with something from Atlus

>383334872

Why was Cleo so much harder than Mephisto in the DLC?

>>383325218
i tried playing p3 on my phone and it wouldn't load jack shit.

>>383335359

Not that anon, but i just save my pictures to Miiverse's album and then save them on my computer.

Is beating chaos alignment on strange journey with the luck stat profile and at level 70 enough street cred?
What would be better street cred in the SMT series than that?

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>>383335356
History of mainline. Shows SJ about 12 minutes in.

>>383335416
SMT I, II, IF, Nocturne, SJ, IV and finally Final are mainline. Those are the only games that are considered SMT.

>>383334750
Also I like that the hunternthene is mixed into it.
It feels a lot more comfy than IV's map theme which makes sense since tokyo is Nanashi's home where he was born and raised while.for Flynn.and the group tokyo was some cursed mysterious hell hole that they needed to traverse.

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*blocks your everything*

>>383335623
I actually had more trouble with Mephisto than Cleo.

>>383335881
Not much since Chaos in SJ has a way easier final boss than neutral and law. Stat leveling type hardly matters since it's mostly random which stats you earn still.

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>>383336079
>Blocks allmighty

>>383303829
So im in the middle of playing Apocalypse/Final and ignoring the thread in case of spoilers. But did anything interesting happen or get announced during like that strange journey for the 3ds stream thing they supposedly did?

If yes can anyone point me to where i can read up on that shit?

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*wipes your party*

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>>383311214
Fusable when?

>>383336067
Absolutely. But for some reason, the Tokyo theme of SMTIV didn't feel that threatening imo. The Tokyo theme of IVA is probably one of my favorites songs in the game.

>>383336167
What makes neutral and law's bosses harder? Zelenin has dekaja, her own luster candy, and an ability that requires expel AND curse null or else or cuts through any resistance or sacrifice you may have

>>383337180
or else it cuts through*

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>still no If.. translation
>still no Devil Summoner translation

>>383332842
Is just me that Law/Angels like him just activate my zealotness to serve for the greater good? Even if i'm aware it involves euthanizing the minds of people and such, i can't help but feel that i should be a loyal servant.

>>383334750
I liked it a first but the more and more I played through 4A, the more I felt that 4's theme was much better. Liked how simplistic it was in 4.

>>383337343
>wanting to neuter people's minds and make them nothing more than brainwashed slaves

>>383337140
It wasn't threathening it sounded more desolate?

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Which association theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG2ikOeXkyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_P_iZNI8YM

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>>383311214
I love rangda!

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fatlus needs to hurry up and announce SMT V for ps4

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>>383337769
>SMT
>PS anything

>>383337838
>what is nocturne

>>383337430
I'm the opposite, never liked the Tokyo theme of IV much, and the fact that I spent SO MUCH TIME completely lost on the map, didn't help I guess. I liked IVA Since the beginning and liked it throughout the entire game. But I guess it's mostly a matter of different taste.

>>383337520
Hum you're right, it was probably well done with that perspective, but I don't know, it wasn't catchy enough. It felt lethargic to me and I really didn't like it.

>>383337497
Think like this anon, it is more like raising cattle or a Zoo. Are we inhuman for it? These animals don't know any better and they need to be took care of.

The alternative is letting them in the wild, risking their lives day and night, and potentially getting extinct.

>>383337953
An anomaly on the Nintendo/SMT/Atlus partnership.

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SOON

>>383304013
It doesn't even LOOK as good as Nocturne, what the fuck man.

>>383333530
Boy this was a fun one. Tbh I never got how people say that strange journey is hard its not to bad its also my favorite SMT.

>>383338880
It plays better and has a better soundtrack which are the only two important things for an SMT game.

>Rerolling for fifteen minutes to get the skill you want in Nocturne
>People will defend this

>>383336326
What the fuck, why? Did almighty just become yet another element?

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>>383338472

>>383337343
Not just you brother not just you
Law now and forever

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>post yfw you still haven't beaten Nocturne because final boss glitch

>>383338962
Strange Journey is a hard game
Eridanius is a casual filter

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>>383339186
No, Beldr is just immune to fucking everything. Everything except cellphone straps.

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Why does everything have to be a goddamn contest with you people? Smt and Persona are both good branches of the SAME GODDAMN FRANCHISE

>>383337627
It's not even a choice for me. The new theme made me so disappointed.

>>383339178
>two important things for an SMT game.

An SMT game with shit tier dungeons isn't worth playing

Might as well play persona this point

>>383339676
>posting the black sheep of the persona series in tone as an example for persona

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>>383339845
>Black sheep
>Literally one of the most sucessful and well received entries
I dont get this, why is it only posters on /v/ hate 4?

>>383340007
Its a meme

P4 has a 4chan banner for a reason, they actually love that shit

>>383340007
>every other persona game has dark overtones
>compared to silly ecks deep scooby doo friendship conquers all

>>383340163
It was a welcome change, and even if 5 got the better balance of goofy anime and demon rpg, 4 holds a special place in my heart.
It's thanks to 4 that I even went back and played some of the SMT mainline games

>>383339676
persona is shit for entry-level weebs and normals. keep it out of smt threads

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>>383340007

>>383323236
It already happened?

>>383340348
But persona is part of the SMT franchise, anon

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>>383340436
>It's another 'anon confuses Shin Megami Tensei with Megami Tensei' episode

>>383340515
What if I like both? SMT has better gameplay but I like the story of persona more

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Aleph died for our sins, feels bad man

>>383340680
That's entirely irrelevant to my point.

>>383340982
I just dont know why it's such a big deal, since they're the same franchise.

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>>383304123
based annon makes of jehova his biatch

>>383341087
People who only like SMT don't like that a spinoff is more popular, true patricians acknowledge that both are good.
Except Persona 1 is genuinely an awful game.

>>383315043
>persona 1
>great
everything you say from now on can be ignored

>>383341602
I know right? People forget whatever happens Atlus still gets money to make even more good games. It's not a like a consolewars thing

>>383336065
this nigga right u know

>>383339845
>implying the black sheep isn't Persona 1

>>383343165
>Implying that abomination even passes as a sheep

>>383343165
>implying it's not the game without a mostly high school cast

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I've never played a single SMT game including spin offs. One question about summons: Are there some there some that are factually better than others or can a starting summon be leveled up to a point where it matches a late game summon? I guess like in pokemon

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>>383311214

>>383329710
This guy again with a new question.

Whenever I level up it says something like "magatashi engulfs your body, allow it? Is there a con to saying yes? I say yes and it just heals but the fact it is a yes/no prompt worries me there is some kind of drawback I don't know.

>>383343891
Think about it like this: Demons are the equivalent of condoms. They may start being useful, but after a while you just want to replace it as soon as possible since their skills and leveling starts to REALLY fall behind.

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Dagda was so right it isn't even funny.

>>383334269
>Devil Summoner
>If...
>mainline

Stop being a faggot anon

>>383343891
No, you are not meant to grow attached to your demons really. Call it edgy but they're just tools.

>>383338848
hey whats that?

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Opinions on Anahita's design?

>>383305381
>endless grinding next
I beat both games and didn't grind once. You're a faggot and Avatar Tuner is good, deal with it nigger.

>>383344324
I want to fuck her.

>>383344042
Some Magatami will instill a negative status effect on you.
>>383344126
Underrated post.

>>383343891
Occasionally there are some with very good unique skills, like Daisoujou in Nocturne. Since unique skills can't be inherited in fusion, it's better to keep them to make use of those unique skills
If they don't, well, it's inherently better to fuse them into better ones since they only learn skills up to a certain level and gain less EXP than the MC

>>383344324
It's good.

>>383337838
2 was on the PSX.

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>>383343891
Mostly what the other anons said but it is possible to boost up your favorites to high levels with great moves and stats. Take >>383311214 for example. Pyro Jack in Nocturne is around the level 20 area, but with the right fusions and patience, he can became pretty deadly. You typically want to keep fusing up and carrying over the best skills, but making an obscenely powerful "starter" demon is possible. I see it as more of a pet project for subsequent playthroughs so I prefer to use as many different demons as I can my first time through.

Nocturne actually rewards you if you keep the first demon you meet, Pixie (or her fusion descendents), all the way to the end of the main optional dungeon by reverting her back into her Pixie form with high stats and killer moves.

>>383344223
the death of personafags

>>383347731
BASED

>finally beat Ouroboros in SJ
please tell me nothing else gets as bullshit as that

>>383340163
>muh constant dark tones
Ow the edge.

>>383338848
I feel like this is gonna be SMT4 and FINAL in one game on the switch.

>>383303829
I loved IVA
Big city to explore, tons of possible party members (demons) to have, a recruitment system that was full of personality.
It was my first mainline SMT title though, outside of that I've only played DeSu2 (remake) and Persona Q, which I both loved, but I didn't like DeSu1 (remake) that much.

Any recommendations? I asked the general on /vg/ a few months ago but I only got one reply telling me to play "ronde" which looks like shit from what I can find on google.

>>383349462
It's the hardest SMT game. It just keeps getting worse.

>>383350146
The rest of mainline is great: I, II, Nocturne, the original IV. Strange Journey is also good but there's a remake coming out next year so hold out

Also the other series: Digital Devil Saga, Soul Hackers, Raidou, etc

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>>383351057
DeSu 1's cast was so fucking likeable. It's a shame they were never able to replicate it.

>>383350617
I'll check those out, thanks anon.

>>383351172
I liked DeSu 2's cast more. Had only one unlikable dickhead instead of several.

>>383345938
Does SMT have a similar mechanic to the persona compendium

>>383351621
Well SMT introduced the compendium, yes.

>>383351057
Yeah, the way he went back on being full chaos after a while to help you just because he both likes you as a brother and thinks your path may lead to something after gettingn results on Atsuro's route showed how he can be a true bro as well.

>>383351621
Yep, they have demon compendiums. I can only speak for Nocturne and IV's so I'm not sure about the earlier titles.

>>383351172
Naoya, Atsuro, Kaido, and Gin were the best
Amane, Black Frost, and Mari were also good.
Misaki, Keisuke, Midori, Yuzu, and Honda were garbage.

>>383351903
>>383351941
alright. Just wondering. What are some of the better SMT games to start with for someone whose mainly played persona? I heard Nocturne and DDS are good

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Hi guys

>>383351621
Nocturne introduce the compendium. IV and IV:A have compendium search and fusion search

>>383352053
>larryposters

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>>383352047
DDS is a pretty good start. Here's a guide for what to play based on your experiences.

I just realized that I've never beaten an SMT game. I always quit near the end.

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>>383351979
Delet this

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>>383352373
>those tits

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>>383352173
Have the slightly newer one.

>>383352373
Never have I hated a MegaTen character as much as this cunt.

>>383303829
They got tricked into believing that fetch quests are a legitimate way to lengthen a game.

>>383343339
>>383343578

whats with the hate for p1? i like it

although its much more of a SMT game than a persona game

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>>383352501
Appreciate it, thanks.

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>>383352480
>tfw no big-breasted red haired Japanese gf to hang around Shibuya with

>>383353024
>fucking a retard
Anon no it might be contagious

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SMT Veterans pls, what's a good level and party members to fight this dude?

I'm at Level 14 right now and have: High Pixie, Jack Frost, Lilim, Slime, Shikigami

Anyone ever play Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei
how is it

>>383330347
>Doomguy McSpacemarine didn't die like a bitch so he gets left out

>>383353501
Get something with Null Force, like Nozuchi (recruit in the room before Matador or fuse from your party). The Force Magatama which you can buy in the tunnel is also nice

Get Suku buff/debuff. I think Demifiend can get Sukunda from the support Magatama, Inugami get Fog Breath and Preta has Sukukaja

>>383351172
>Half of DeSu 1's cast were incredibly based like the Brotaku, Naoya, Amane, Gin
>The other half were insufferable cunts like Yuzu, Keisuke and Midori
>DeSu 2's are more bland and uninteresting
>But only one cunt

Ronaldo "Clicky as I pull the trigger on your waifu" Kuriki should not be allowed in a position of power.

>>383353501
Level is irrelevant, just kill him before he uses that multi-melee attack.

>>383353934
DeSu2's cast was pretty ok.
Some characters like Io, Fumi, and Otome were great.
It's strange, most of 1's great characters were dudes, most of 2's were girls.

>>383353867
thanks

>>383354090
I've tried but I just don't have enough damage or offensive party member abilities to get to that point yet

Is STR good in Apocalypse? I'm sick of making macicbois in these games

>>383353501
Get an Uzume, she's excellent for this fight with Media. Also try spamming Sukunda or Sukukaja if you have them, otherwise the fight is a whole lot harder. Also buy the Hifumi Magatama in the ginza underpass.

>>383353504
Just beat the Megami Tensei 1 on it, it's basically a lite-SMT if you want to play the games but don't have the patience for dabbling in hundreds of demons, alignments, and 100+ hours of gameplay. Not sure about MT2.

>>383354268
Apocalypse is piss easy, you'll completely break the game no matter what you pick.

>>383354268
Str deals much more damage than Mag and MC automatically gains Pierce. More bosses and enemies resist Phys though so get some Gun skills to be sure

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>Mainline SMT focuses on story
>Persona has demons

Blurring the lines a little more with every game.

>>383354532
Those are shadows.

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Spriggans are supposed to be SMALL and CUTE

>>383354375
That's most SMT in general

>>383353504

>>383354331
kyuukuu is just the bundle for original Megami Tensei 1 and 2 right? the OG shit?

>>383354616
Nocturne and any path but Yuzu's will fuck you raw if you build the wrong character.

SJ just fucks you regardless.

>>383354707
SJ is only hard on some bosses, like Ouroboros and the final bosses gauntlet.

Nocturne's only hard part is the grinding for money to buy stuff in Hard mode

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>>383354707
>Nocturne
>Hard
*rings bell*

>>383354875
>SJ is only hard on some bosses, like Ouroboros and the final bosses gauntlet.

What about the dungeons?
What about not even knowing what the enemy looks like until you've already beaten it?

>>383303829
any good doujins featuring this fuccboi yet or what?

>>383355085
>What about the dungeons?
more tedious than hard
>What about not even knowing what the enemy looks like until you've already beaten it?
Unless if it's some unfair bullshit like pisaca that's not too bad

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>>383303829
Kids who claim final is better need to be shot

>>383355426
t. underage

>>383303829
>personababies not welcome

watch as a small niche fanbase further splits itself

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>tfw I like persona and SMT and prettty much every megaten related spinoff I play

Why can't we just enjoy ourselves?

>>383306720
>>383306720
Both are tards.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9QRyPWBo8

>>383355847
>SMT thread
>everything except Persona is posted
Errytyme

>>383355992
Best B coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik