How can others modern mmo even compete?

>>383295969
>complete expansion in literally 3 days
>farm baby tier primals in 1-3 days
>kill brain dead raid bosses in 1 day
At least the story was fun but the game has zero longevity and no content.

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>>383296453
I hate my family though

>>383296363
autism

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what is the point of the mini game in deltascape v 3.0 if the route is always gonna be the same. that could have been some cool shit but alas


have nice hips

>>383296525
t. r/atheism

>>383296631
>if the route is always gonna be the same
Just wait for the savage

>>383296727
Nah more like

t. psychotic women I don't want to be around

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>be monk
>dps is all melee
My chakra has never been harder

>>383295969
Most other MMOs don't get a second chance after being so shitty they shut the servers down. If it didn't have the FF brand, it'd just be another weeb tab-target MMO in a sea of shit.

>>383296727
Nice assumption, not everyone gets to grow up with happy, mentally stable family members.

>>383296825
>the entire fight takes place in the labyrinth
>have to get to the right class panel by following the sand

would b cool

Any max lvl FC or linkshell on louisoix for raiding/ex primals?

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>>383296525
/v/ is your family anon. spend some quality time with us.

There's a hidden thread up.

>>383296453
>resub
>play the game for a week
>there's nothing to do but level alts for two more weeks
I mean Yoshi, I understand your point of view but GOD FUCKING DAMNIT

>>383296528
Incorrect usage of the word.

>>383296631
>what is the point of the mini game in deltascape v 3.0 if the route is always gonna be the same.
There's actually two routes one of which is faster.
If you arrive fast enough you get haste and damage up buff for 50 seconds.

>>383295969
By having end game content that isnt exhausted in a weekend and gcd lower than 2.5. Oh and non shit servers.

>>383297585
So they can't?

>>383297543
Is there a criteria by which you arrive at a certain point?
Because so far, as a melee DPS, the only route was right-right-up-right so far. I've seen people arrive at the other side but it never happened to me in about 10 runs.

>>383297695
rng

>>383296363
>inb4 people start throwing a fit because someone else is better than them
How dare you not get stuck on lakshmi for 5 days??????

>>383297786
>kill Susanoo on my first try
>kill Lakshmi on my first try
>group disbanded afterwards on both kills
>had to suffer through 3-4 days of """farm""" parties afterwards
Fuck.

>>383296453
>instead people who play XIV are mainly NEETs

nani

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Is it worth it to do all the anima weapon shit at this point? I just finished heavensward and it looks like it will take a long time to get an ilvl270 anima weapon. I've already got a 260 shire weapon.

>>383295969
>modern
Because all modern MMOs are just as or less shitty than XIV. It looks good by default. However, the second you compare it to its predecessor, XI, it looks like a massively boring shitfest. If they tweaked the combat just a little and added in non instances dungeons/areas that are dangerous, I'd probably come back to the game, for a little while at least.

Fuck, I miss when MMORPGs felt like adventures and offered a sense of community.

>>383298532
Nope. They havent even introduced a new upgrade path for that weapon yet. Everything you get from outside that upgrade path will be stronger anyway.

>>383298653
>it's an XI fag shows up to shit on other game's threads episode

>>383298672
Alright, thanks. I'll just do Soul without Life a couple times to use them for glamours.

>>383298653
>However, the second you compare it to its predecessor, XI
XI is still considered as one of the worst mmo ever made by fans of the genre. It was very poorly made clone of everquest that didn't improved on anything of original and ws also both more casual and more tedious at the same time, oh and it stole ideas of bosses not being tank and spank from wow, year after MC was released. before it was still eq style trash with hit boss until it dies
At least xiv is well made ripoff of wow

>>383296453
There should still be something minor to perpetually work on like WoW's artifact traits that have no realistic mortal cap. Or like Tibia's leveling system with no level cap, but each level only gives a tiny amount of HP/MP.

>>383298982
>At least xiv is well made ripoff of wow
ahaha, a very poor clone of wow. Like XI to everquest, it did the same poor copying of mechanics.

>>383299369
No, wildstar/teso to wow is that xi to the eq

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>>383299140
>There should still be something minor to perpetually work
you can literally level every single class on one character. you got work to do. you're a scrub if you don't have at least 3 roles at level 70 by now

>>383298532
>>383298672
Everyone is starting at the same point for the new SB relic weapons so your anima isn't going to get you to skip a point.

>>383299576
Then we all know Xiv wasnt wow, but some poor implementation of xi. If you played xi, you can see a lot of similarities to that game in 14, but man does it feel dated and slow. Not to mention the game gives you like no options to customize your play experience.

Also, Wow came off the action experience of Diable, which explains why they have a better combat system than FF and a lot of other mmos.

>>383297429
post /playtime

>>383299642
What is the fucking point of having three jobs at 70 right now? You'll only be gearing one in about a week and 2-3 days from now. The others are just some excess waste.

>>383299140
that's what relics are for
some people still do them in a matter of weeks and hate every minute of it but they have brain problems and you can't really stop them from doing it without making it worse for everyone

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>>383299753
It is actually more than I expected.
Fuck. I feel like a super retard right now.

>>383299807
If I were to guess, its because most jobs are at their full potential at 70. Thats why Im getting to the point in my life where I think mmos need to throw away the concept of leveling at some point and just focus on giving us a lot of content instead that rewards other things.

>>383295969
>having a sub fee in 2017

honestly after GW2 launched without a sub fee I was really hoping other modern MMO's would follow suit, but I guess not.

and even if it didn't have a sub fee I would still play GW2 since its the better game

>>383298982
>At least xiv is well made ripoff of wow

That's really debatable. At this point it lives because of the FF paint. Take that away and I honestly think it be forgotten.

There are so many little quality of life things it's missing due to the game engine being made to include ps3.

>>383295969
>2.5 seconds global cooldown

>>383299965
>>383300072
Well memed

>>383299712
The ARR relic let you skip the fate farm for anina.

>>383300062
>At this point it lives because of the FF paint.
Original XIV proved that this is not how franchise works

>>383299642
There's no point. Gathering and crafting are frustertating and unrewarding for the time/money investment. Crafting requires leveling all the classes and then you use a braindead macro once you have all the skills.

Leveling battel classes beyond MSQ is a case of potd for 100+ runs of tedious followed by shit dungeon queues now that pvp got exp nerfed.

>>383300267
i forget where he said it but he made pretty clear you don't get a head start from having a hw relic

>>383300335
And XV proved that it's EXACTLY how that works.

1.0 was just so bad not even the brand power could carry it - and STILL its original release enjoyed a pretty decent influx of early sales despite bad beta impressions.

>>383300508
>And XV proved that it's EXACTLY how that works.
It was sold like shit compared to the even 13

>>383300424
pvp exp didn't get nerfed that bad, modern MMO players are casual as shit.

Dog girls when? I'm so tired of only seeing lizards and cats. At least add variety to the waifubait

>>383299712
Outside of early stages of the ARR, relic weapons are always underpowered for how long they take to upgrade.

With acc gone the greatest point of the relic, customized stats in which you got a massive chunk of acc from, is now pointless.

It's like yay i can now trade my raid weapon that has determ/crit for a relic that i can put direct/crit on for a 1% dps boost.

Not worth the time and effort.

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>PS2 era graphics
>Abysmal zone design
>Nonsensical, awful story compared to HW
>Lyse becomes leader of Ala Mhigo for literally no reason
>The whole point of going to Doma was to divert Garlemald but this literally isn't shown
>Shinsui exists solely to justify diving/swimming and doesn't have any bearing on outside events
>Only 2 new, basic-ass DPS jobs
>Still no new difficultly modes (Savage dungeons, etc)
>Feels like 2 different expansions
>Dungeons are all entirely linear and even less creative than ARR leveling dungeons
>Tanking and Healing made way less fun
>Omega is just more reused content, this time from FFV (IT'S NOT LAZINESS JUST EPIC REFERENCES, BROS)

Awful XPAC. Like a 5/10 versus HW.

I've been thinking about picking up SB and getting back into the game. Mostly out of excitement to play Red Mage and/or Samurai. Is the end game still a boring transplant of 2.0? Grinding points to gear up so you can play Simon Says boss fights got boring really fast. Do the new jobs and mechanics make up for it if it is?

>>383299642
Perpetually work on for the jobs you wanna play. I dont improve by maxing out random jobs I dont wanna play just for the sake of completionism, I want ADVANCEMENT.

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>>383300928
>he only does the relic for the stats

How does the Grade 6 Materia work? Does it have some limit to using them? And which stats should I be looking to meld as a SCH?

>>383301065
World 1st raider.

>>383301000
end game is just token grinding again, which we all knew was going to happen. There's nothing to make you stay. SB should have just cost $20, cause it feels like a patch rather than an expansion.

>>383300335
Original XIV proved that's exatlly how it works. Game was so bad they had to give free subs for everyone who bought it in a hope to retain players while they remade the game.

It still can't hit the high note it should and the engine is bogged down by providing ps3 support. It's simply not good on it's own and never will be. Brand loyalty is what holds it together.

>>383300936
You forgot to mention
>no underwater combat at all

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>>383301143
>he does the relic for glamour

>>383301148
You can only have 1 grade 6 in per equipment
so one grade 6 2 grade 5 in helm
one grade 6, 2 grade 5 in body etc

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>>383301678
>implying I don't do it for the story

>>383299807
>What is the fucking point of having three jobs at 70 right now?
more useful in party finder

>>383299140
Why should there? It's hard to make a goal of something that has no ending. Why would I do it for the sake of doing it? Especially since we've all been running M+ since the start of the expansion and it's extremely dull at this point.

There is stuff to work on here, I'm currently working on my last gatherer while saving for a medium house. Not being rushed to do these, unlike WoW where every raid tier was a rush to get AP or else you fall behind in the only content WoW has, feels much better.

>>383300936
I was kinda disappointed with the zones. Most of them seemed to be just some brown shit with barely any character. I mean sure, you had the horsefucker steppe inbetween, but that zone looked like something straight out of a 2000 game.
I don't know what I was expecting, the zones just got worse and worse with every expansion. HW looked pretty bad, and SB was just as bad. I guess I was too spoiled by the 2.x zones.

>>383301617
That's not the biggest disapointment. It's the fact that the underwater sections are soulless husks.

Look at WoW's Vash'jir. An amazing zone with ruins, sea life, all sorts of plants caves and other shit to enjoy.

Now look at ruby Sea. There is like 2 underwater towns that are seperate instances from the ocean and theres is fucking nothing there but a handful of coral.

And that long ass swin town to to the dungeon? Could of been filled with amazing sea life, or creepy deep water shit leading into the beaufitul underwater palace.

NOPE! IT"S FUCKING EMPTY! 99.99% grey rock with maybe a finger sized coral every 50 yards. Like wtf is up with this lifeless design.

>>383302173
I think at some point you guys need to understand the concept of just stop playing. If it's not fun anymore, stop playing. Let your sub run out and come back when they actually give you something to do. It's mostly your fault if you keep trying to suck gameplay out that isnt there. When did gamers forget the concept of getting bored and just not playing the game? Thats why companies can keep shit like this rolling out cause they know you'll keep giving them money.

>>383301148
>SCH
You should probably be looking at levelling another job.

>>383301713
Umm that isn't true I have two Materia six in my equipment right now.

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>>383302149
>relic
>story
>oh look the jew bitch is going to jew the drunk blacksmith AGAIN so she can jew all the players with new gear to buy

amazing originality and deep moving story senpai!

>>383301572
PS3 support is gone. Its bogged down by PS4 now

>>383302339
Can't overmeld with grade 6, happy now?

>>383302324
Sorry, I don't mean to not follow your meta. I'll make sure to ask you next time what I level.

>>383295969

This expansion killed all will me and my friends had to play the game, so yeah it's doing exactly what a modern mmo should do, kill off its playerbase and then die.

What to do while waiting for Ixion?

>>383302568
>The only thing wrong with scholar is the meta

SCH main here, job is fucking boring, put your two dots on then bane and spam broil 2, WOW SUCH DEEP GAMEPLAY, meanwhile in heavensward put bio miasma miasma2 bio2 bane aero can spam bliz 2 on packs of 3 or more. Get fucked.

>>383302652
Same. Quit the game as soon as I got to 70 and hit ilvl cap. Usually I'd level up alt jobs but the only way to level now is PvP and PvP is complete ass and not why I play this game. They killed what little amount of non-max level PvE and world PvE the game had.

>expert roulette
>tank is viewing the intro cutscene
>"cool, Verity bonus"
>no bonus
Why do people like this exist.

>>383296453
That's a wise man right there

>>383302532

I'll never get the 2.5 second GCD or whatever it is. 2slow

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>>383302978
blame the ps3. blame everything on the ps3 and the older teams incompetence.

>>383302549
Actually, you're wrong again. You can overmeld with a 6 but only on the first slot.

>>383302652
>>383302875
heard this same exact thing with heavensward and how the game was gonna die because of it

here we are 2 years later

>>383302301
I have stopped my WoW sub, about 4 weeks before ToS. It's just Blizzard practically force you into one type of content and make you grind it over and over. It's no surprise subs are dropping.

In FF I don't really feel forced to do anything.

>>383302257
>WoW's Vash'jir
Not going to defend Ruby Sea, but that zone was fucking garbage. Possibly the worst zone in the entire game. Caves that are practically hidden, combat feeling awful because of the movement.

>>383300936
Everything you said was fucking stupid. HW was fucking garbage and half of your complaints could be said about HW too.

>>383303546
You heard fake news then. No one said that.

>>383295969
Will this game be hard to get into if I only play ps4?

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>more than an hour long WoD run
I just wanted a WT sticker.
I didn't even get a single line.

>>383303228
Literally says you can't in the description

How is people getting gather of crafter materia VI?

>>383302445
He was being sarcastic because your first reply was so fucking dumb that he thought you were being sarcastic too.

>>383304389
not at all

>DPS HQ level 68 weapons are a few thousand gil on MB
>tank HQ level 68 weapons at 90k+
>were 20k a few days ago
This is not okay

>>383302764
Jack off to cum inflation ERP.

>>383304458
Goddamn you're bad at reading. It says you can't meld past the first advanced slot. Meaning you can overmeld once. Fuccboi.

>>383304439
>doing the fucking raids for a sticker

Just do the piss easy primals and the four dungeons my dude or solo the Coil shit quickly.

>>383304953
People found out which ones were used to level crafters through leves. Those ones did not drop in price.

>>383304776
Transmuting materia V's. Spiritbonding higher level crafting equipment might work but that I don't know for sure.

>>383304804
>Jumping into a played out shitpost argument.

wew

>>383305073
>Piss easy primals
Yeah that's what I thought about the Thordan/Zurvan Ex WT entries but people still wipe us constantly.

>>383305457
I'm not even the same poster, faggot.

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>notice healer is just standing there and keeping me at 100% health
>make every effort to make as many huge pulls as I can
>mfw
big dick pulls give me life

>>383304953
Are they actually selling? I've only been able to sell some materials and tools mostly.

Gonna start playing, wanted to play as a boy cat because they look cool in armor but apparently that would make me a fruit so what should I play as /v/?

Reminder to report Shillblood threads on sight.

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>Finally achieve Storm Second Lieutenant
>Get my squadron
>My second in command is a dumb mustached potato and not a cute grill
>Only one qt in my squad

>>383305706
Don't worry, you're friendly butthurt autist mod is always on the prowl.

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>>383305721
Every good squad member is locked behind golden saucer

>>383305578
You don't understand what "jumping into" means huh? You might want to just lurk instead of trying to butt into conversations you aren't a part of.

Wait a minute, are we autosaging?

>>383304145
Or even the base game. Why do people still expect anything different?

>>383296453

tfw when like 90% of the FC are NEETs who live their life in this game.

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>>383306483

>>383306483
I know what that means you fucking faggot but you're still a retard.

>>383306542
no

>>383306620
NEETs who afk at the FC house all day and cause a load of drama on a bi-weekly basis. Fuck my old FC.

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>>383306650
>>383306670

>>383307270

sounds like my current FC

>>383307389
You're the one who started the whole argument implying that you know better what's fun and what's not.

GENERALS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON /V/ XIV THREADS GET DELETED FOR A REASON. STOP MAKING THEM.

>>383307594
Well I do so now you're gay so fuck off. Mad?

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>>383307641
>/V/

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>Come Nidhogg. We are needed.

>>383296453
>go do other things
>oh but don't forget to login once every 44 days or you'll lose your house

>>383307912
44 days is a lot of time.

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When will this guy be available as a mount?

>>383307794
What's it like being that assblasted, faganon?

>make samurai
>make raid gear samurai/weeb themed
>everyone looks like a samurai in omega gear except for the actual samurai job which looks like an aberration with a samurai helmet
They are literally incapable of not fucking up aren't they?

>>383307594
The argument was about the usefulness of the relics. But someone decides cry and shitpost instead of offering a proper counter argument.

Not my fault you, assuming you're the original responded, can't actually prove why the relics are worth getting.

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Elezen

When will they add joke weapons to the game? I hope every April 1st we get something.
>no Nailbat
>no Mop
>no Umbrella
>no Excalipoor
>no Chicken Knife(s)
>no Squirt Gun

>>383308381
Nope. There's a decent variety of japanese armor and yet it's all generic same shit.

For a super jap expansion they failed bigtime.

>>383308249
HOPPED

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>>383308489

>>383308364
>Implying I'm gay
You're the fucking gay faggot. I bet you suck a man's dick. I bet your dad fucks you in the ass. Anyway I'm not mad, and I'm also right and you're wrong, and YOU'RE mad, so fuck you!!

>>383308430
There was no need for a counter argument because both points, be it for stats or for glamour, are perfectly fine on their own. Now kill yourself already, please.

>>383308430
Um, no sweetie, you're the one who can't offer a decent argument. I don't have to prove shit to you because you're GAY!!!!

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>>383308760
>b but it's fun!

>>383307912
can't your friends give you 7 days free gametime if you haven't played for awhile? they just gotta right click your name

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>>383308489
Wills unbending
Faith unending
Stone defending
Now our steel shall sing!

>>383308249
When FFXI makes it a mount first.

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What a shit story

>>383308510
Why would they?.

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>>383308971
>moving the goalposts AGAIN

>>383308964
It's ok hunny. No one is going to care that your little mind is special.

>>383309014
So Haurchefant didnt really die, he just got a slight tan and became a caster?

I've been on the fence about getting this game after playing the trial version back when Heavensward was a thing. It was such a bitch to download but I enjoyed the gameplay, if not was bit overwhelmed by so many features to understand. As a Sony boy, should I consider buying it?

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>>383299965
>sub fee
I have no problem with paying a cost for the game and its expansions. I have no problem with paying a sub fee. What I do have a problem with is the fact that there's microtransactions, and an even bigger problem with the fact that despite having a cost upfront AND a sub fee, it costs money to do shit like change your name, transfer servers, and even change your goddamn appearance all of which are priced around $10.

Now THAT shit clonks my goddamn bonkers.

>>383309134
Ok you're right I'm sorry, and I respect your opinion. Let's cease this pointless argument and be bros.

Can having to clear Susanoo Normal with a party of 7 frenchfags you have to MT for in front of an audience with people commenting on your performance on large screens and loudspeakers for a t-shirt be considered harder than clearing Susanoo EX?

>>383309205
Stop saying that, literally everything is different except for the hair. God damn why did such a popular character had to have the best male elezen hairstyle?

>>383309205
if paladins could block magic in heavensward then maybe Haurchefant would still be alive

>>383302824
Healers never had deep gameplay. More buttons=/=more complex.

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>>383309134
>goal post was never moved
>still using fun is an argument for a useless relic grind

Thank you for the entertainment. It's nice to know retards will blindly follow a rotten carrot.

>>383309205
He and iceheart were reborn as myste in the DRK quest line. He represents the WOL innocence and guilt for the countless live he's taken

>>383309465
>still using fun is an argument

Never happened, not even in the original post.

>>383309465
I close my eyes, tell us why must we suffer
Release your hands, for your will drags us under
My legs grow tired, tell us where must we wander
How can we carry on if redemption's beyond us?

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when did it all go so wrong /v/?

>>383307912

>get recompensed nearly fully for losing your house
>have all furniture restored

>>383309409
Don't be like that, not all french players suck.

>>383309078
This post doesn't even make any sense.

>>383309674
Still not has bad as lootmaster parties.

>>383309865
It's close though.

>>383302978
yeah at level 4 its pretty slow, except you're weaving abilities between weaponskills at higher levels so you're pretty much always busy or planning for the next combo or whatever. The biggest problem with the game IMO is that it starts so fucking slow, scares alot of people off really quick. they mix it up pretty well at the higher levels

>>383309674
>4.0 in a nutshell
>Hey guys, I have a great idea. Let's add two new DPS classes, make tanks infinitely more boring to play, bury scholar under the cuckshed, and gut even MORE abilities from WHM so AST can have them.
>Y-yoshi-sama... won't that make DPS queue times outrageous?
>haha nonsense you filthy BAKA, tanks and healers would never think of swapping roles
>god I'm such a fucking genius

My sub is hinging on the live letter and 4.05, because if they don't at least ATTEMPT to fix this shit then I have no intention of subbing again until 5.0

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https://youtu.be/U32ZCCKbJ3U?t=60
>Mfw 1:00
Its always a pleasure to gather in the Lochs at night with this BGM.

>>383309683
>get 75% back
>you lose permanent furnishings
>you also only have another 45 days to claim this shit

>>383309375
At least it's not like WoW where a name change is $20, a race change is $25, and a faction change is like $30+

>>383309997
The higher levels are still slow as fuck. WoW, Wildstar, GW, and Ragnarok Online make FF14's combat look like a literal tic tac toe game.

>>383310012
Even the japs are getting pissy.

>>383310152
To be fair, FF14 now has the worse level skip mechanic: $25 PER job PER character

>>383309674
>one day roes and lalas will put away their differences and form a memester alliance

>>383310012
On the contrary. I hope they double down and remove stances for tanks entirely. Tanks should tank.

>>383310247
actually its even worse than wow. Wow's story content is only level locked. In FF14, you cant skip earlier story content. You have to go through it. So Thats an additional cost atop that job skip for each character.

>>383310312
I'm playing a roe, and I don't think so.

>>383310247
WoW's level skip is $60 for one class and it takes a lot less time to get to the level cap in WoW than it does for FFXIV.

>>383310247
25$ PER job PER character with a 30$ story skip PER expansion PER character + the extra sub fee for more than one character PER world + the money they force you to pay for a useable bank that isnt tiny PER character

>>383310423
But that class also can be built in many ways due to not only being able to choose a spec, but each spec having its own talent tree, too. You get more for your bank with the level up pot in WoW than you do in FF14.

>>383310567
Why would you need more than one character?

>>383302532
What's with the WoWfag buttonmashing?

The point of the long GCD is to avoid idiotic mashing.

>>383310603
specs and talents in WoW are illusion of choice mostly. at the end of the day, there's a objectively best PVP spec and a objectively best PVE spec. choosing anything but those will get you removed from groups or doing less damage/healing than whats right.

>>383310312
hurr durr
Mobs are already a fucking pain in the ass to kill in solo duties
They take ages because of our low shit damage.

>>383310667
cause Square realized people were buying server transfer and making alts since different friends play on different servers. this is the best jewish move for them aside from that horredous cash shop

>weekend prime time starts
>maelstrom starts sucking huge balls
Figures.

>>383310784
What you're speaking is a lie. It doesn't get you removed at all. No one removes anyone for shit like that, at least not anymore. Especially since you can respec on a dime now, no longer are you tailored to one style.

>decide to try out a new hairstyle
>realize in a cutscene I dont like the face anymore either
Jandelaine learning plastic surgery when.

>>383311018
It's not a lie. Progression raid groups remove people that play non viable specs. It's a extremely common thing in EU and NA servers. People don't have time to deal with trolls or people who aren't playing to max potential.

>>383311026
When you pay $10.

>>383302532
>>383302978
Oh yeah sure, that 2.5gcd meme is so funny.

How about checking the opener of a NIN in 4.0 now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EbxphGfb2I

>>383296363
I honestly think this is intentional so people like me have a chance to catch up before tons of content drops.

Still need to finish HW content.

>>383309375
>have trophies for your house that require crafting shit from rare-drops off raid bosses
>have cash-shop exclusive LARGER trophies for your house

>>383311113
You're still lying. This isnt Lich king anymore. No one removes anyone anymore for that shit. There might be that high mythic autist group that wants people to tailor to their one style, but thats just your typical raid pug and we don't acknowledge their autistic existence.

>>383311238
PER change, PER character. Good job, Square.

>>383308662
AHHHHH YOU FUCKIN QUEER I BET YOU WANT ME TO SUCK YOUR COCK HUH. JUST LICK IT ALL OVER AND MAYBE JERK YOU A LITTLE TOO. AND THEN YOU PROBABLY WANNA CUM IN MY MOUTH. FAGGOT.

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>>383311262
This game's players are the only people who praise openers because after using the burst of ogcds, everything you have goes on a minute or longer cooldown and you're just using the same combination shit as anyone else. All the while that slow ass gcd is rolling. That argument may work on someone who never played the game, but dont fucking delude yourself in thinking openers are the epitome of this game's design. Other mmos have openers in plenty supply, too, AND their gcd is 1.5 and lower.

>>383310603
what's the difference between a fire mage and a ice mage in PVE

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>>383311262
Is this game supposed to be fun?

>>383311263
>before tons of content drops
>tons
>content
lol what are you smoking niggah?

>>383304439
Shit, I sat in Q for WoD for 4 hours just for a glamour chest piece that didn't drop.

>>383311508
One has rng burst and the other has CC, summon, and burst, too. Basically, ice is stupid good right now cause WoW punished fire mages for specing crit like they're suppose to, and they wanted muh easier spec to get damage, too. Im pretty fucking mad right now at blizz for it.

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>From the memoirs of Count Edmont de Fortemps: Heavensward

holy fuck was the ending great

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>>383311370
Very good job.

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What flavour would you like your ice cream?

>>383297303

Where I'm from, dysfunctional/broken families are the norm. I never got to see what actual, stable families were like until I went to college.

>>383311939
unflavored for me

>>383311939
marbled

>>383295969
Just waiting for Blizzard to announce WoW 2 using the same graphics engine as Overwatch

>>383311939
Maracudja.

>>383310012
>because if they don't at least ATTEMPT to fix this shit then
They already did.

>>383311617
For anyone who doesn't live in this game, a few updates will last a player a hell of a lot of time. Especially if they are DPS and don't have a dedicated FC.

>>383312150
Not gonna happen until the chinks lose interest in the game.

>>383312150
why anyone would want an MMO sequel after Planetside 2 and Guild Wars 2 is beyond me

>>383312196
All I saw was a few out of place bandaids fix.

>>383311735
His death hit me as hard as Haurchefant's, desu.

>>383312319
You forget how loyal the fanbase is. They'll switch overnight. Not to mention, expect the most jewish microtransactions to be implemented into the game.

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>>383311735
I think we're all in agreement that Heavensward was XIV's peak in story telling.

>>383309313
Yes buy it because i say so.

>>383312695
but he doesn't die

>>383312240
wut? are we playing the same game? the story was objectively shit with lyse shitting it up more. it doesnt even take long to clear it if you play games more than an hour per week. ex primals were like running sastasha and omega felt like MAYBE running turn 1 undersized with a full party in verity gear. probably easier than that though. once you clear that shit theres absolutely nothing to do. why am i waiting a month after the expansion to play a fucking "savage" raid? why is that shit not even added.
>hur dur so autists like you dont rush
fucking shitters ruin everything

>>383312781
meh

>>383312781

I mean, XIV has never been particularly good at it.

The boss presentation is fantastic, but the actual story and story telling are poor IMO, largely do to the quest system, stiff cutscenes and awful pacing

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>>383302652

It also doesn't help that they've lowered the skill ceiling for the healer class, while also breaking SCH's knees with the nerf bat. My queues have been instant for nearly eveything healer since SB dropped. I've even seen healer as AIV for the past couple days. I understand tanks have their own bullshit to deal with, but it looks the healer changes have been more detrimental.

Removing Cleric Stance was a mistake.

>>383312781
>HW makes you go to one area, talk to this person, then travel back to the quest giver in another area, while walking across a large land mass again

No HW is the definitely of quest padding if I ever saw one.

Ok, after clearing Susanoo EX, I'm surprised how people can maintain the high dps on the post-sword phase. I drop down to the 3k's from 4k's on the sword phase and first phase.

>>383310012
>MORE abilities from WHM so AST can have them

synastry got healing potency buff removed and ast lost luminiferous.

Oh right, protect. kys you memeshitter

>>383313242
He means the cross roles.

>>383313026
SCH is fine. Learn to play.

>XIV has consistently gotten worse every single expansion
>2.0 wasn't even particularly great

How can one team fuck up this badly. I felt like 2.0 was a decent enough base to build off of, and this is what has come of it? Geez man

>>383313395
Why would I play SCH when AST has it both easier to keep people alive, and deals a lot more DPS in comparison?

>>383311939
This is super cute and creative and you arent getting enough recognition for this.

unh uhhhh
hmmm
WOO WOO

>>383313481

Because you enjoy SCH

XIV's content doesn't warrant min maxing, just play whatever you want. Of course the issue is then that some classes are just poorly designed and aren't very fun to play

>>383313372
what else could he have meant senpai

divine seal and synastry had the largesse buff
PoM and LA were basically the same anyway, but whatever. What did he mean by this?

>>383311939
>>383313521
I like the creativity, but everything but the wall ice cream and the "freezer" are bland looking.

>>383313610
I used to enjoy SCH. Then they took away half of its DPS toolkit which was what made it interesting to play in dungeons.

Then they got the complete ass new skills in 4.0 which added insult to injury given how the 3.0 skills worked with the best aspects of the class.

>>383313036
How can you possibly say that when ARR still exists.
That damn quest chain before Titan still aggravates me to this day.

Can someone explain to me why there are just as many Ranged DPS jobs in this game as there are Tanks and Healers combined? Who was the retard who seriously thought this game needed MORE DPS jobs?

Tanks+Healer selection should outnumber DPS 2:1

>>383313474
3.0 was way better than 2.0 though

>>383308510
>Chicken Knife
Already in the game.

>>383313828
>Who was the retard who seriously thought this game needed MORE DPS jobs?
Players who hate to tank and heal.

>>383313610
Current content, sure, thankfully people have the ability to guess what it'll be like in the future, and the future of SCH looks grim.

>>383313372
>take away all cross role abilities
>add two new ones that are completely useless
>"we preased to announce new brattle sysrem"
you know theyre hacks when they take shit from you and give it back to you as "new"

>>383313395
>SCH is fine
Fuck off WHM I know it's you.

>>383313828
Because people play role, not job
Look how queue times didn't even go up after they added 2 new dps jobs
Anyone who gives a shit about tank and healers already playing as one, and fucking geared it for the omega savage

>>383308510
Have you seen the Gold Saucer weapons by chance? Those are pretty silly, along with Moogle weapons.

>>383313905
>Current content, sure

And future content, anon. They're designing savage in Stormblood to be akin to A9-12, aka not bad at all at proper ilvl. The only thing SCH/WAR might have issues with is the super savage fights they're making which less than 1% of the players are going to even touch

>>383313610
the Senor Sabotender weapons are joke weapon-ish

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>>383308510
Because ARR can't do anything that XI did or its playerbase will REEEEEE.

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What can they to fix warrior?

>>383313828
Because all healers play more or less the same, only difference is numbers and utility buffs.

They already have a HoT healer.
They have a shield healer.
They didn't know what other healer to do, so they made a healer that could shield and HoT and gave them team-buffs to try to separate them from the other healers.

What would you have as another type of healer?

One who heals allies through dealing damage instead?

>>383314127
Reduce the beast gaugue penalty for stance swapping, increase beast gauge generation or lower costs across the board.

>Second time fighting Odin and I didn't crash
Awesome, and now I got a swanky new barding

>>383313864

>Some of the worst map designs I've seen in an MMO
>Some decent job changes, but also some pretty fucked up ones too like BRD
>Worse job balance than 2.x
>Inferior raid tiers
>Story was still endless fetch quest garbage
>Did little to nothing to advance the game in anyway

The only things HW did better were adding persistent background music to the new areas, and adding some new types of content (though some of it was ass like LoV)

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>>383313395

Pre 60 SCH gameplay
>Miasma -> Bio -> Ruin spam

Post 60 SCH Gameplay
>Miasma -> Bio -> Broil Spam

Apart from the occasional Shadowflare and your basic mitigation/fairy stuff that's it. Also,all of the 61-70 skills suck ass except for Chain Strategem.

Their mana costs are also atrocious (and mana sustain abysmal) despite the shields not being very strong unless the RNG gods bless you. If a tank does a large pull, or people fuck up, you just end up spamming Physick. If I wanted that kind of gameplay I would go play WHM.

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>>383309429
>mfw this nigga didn't know I had Hallowed Ground primed and ready
I should've made like a Dark Knight and attach silly text macros to all my skills.

>>383314027
>queue times didn't even go up after they added 2 new dps jobs
LOL

>>383314545
>60 SCH gameplay
>>Shadow Flare > Bio 2 > Miasma -> Bio -> Aero -> Bliz2 spam
>Post 60 SCH Gameplay
>>Shadow Flare on CD > Miasma -> Bio -> Broil 2 Spa-I mean mash Adlo on dying tank

>>383314545
N-no...!!! SCHLAR IS COMPLEX BRO YOU DON'T GET IT

>>383314638
10-15 minutes for leveling and expert
Yes, didn't changed for me at all

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>>383311504
MNK has nothing on a CD longer than 30s and a sub-2s GCD

>>383314127
If their dps is really and actually lower than on other tanks as people meme about, then add some potency to few moves. Other than that they are fine.
Only problem I have with WAR is that they playing war didn't really change from what it was at the end of HW. It's still same old, 1,2, 3 rotation until you can bersek do your burst and continue 1,2,3.

anything I can do with my GC seals?
ive had 50k since ARR and never touched them

>>383300175
You telling me it isn't true?

>>383312863
Take your meds sperg

>>383314827

Buy manuals if you want to level gathering/crafting classes. Ventures if you haven't maxed out retainers

Otherwise no, not really

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>>383314545
get fucked nerd we are the shield healer now

>>383314827
cordials and ventures
you'll still be capped on seals anyway but they're the most useful things you can buy with them

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>i didnt get khloe
im so upset

granted i was going to sell her and wait for the price to drop after but still

>>383314919
those manuals are worthless, only 10% exp gain compared to commercial tomes

>>383314990
The prices only go up on WT minions.

>>383314991
so just sit on my seals then?

>>383314675

I meant pre 60 since SB. All you do is spam Ruin in 60 and below content.

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>>383315073

>>383315125
Ventures.

>>383314990
>>383315073

Why would you ever buy a minion? I don't understand the point of them. Then again I don't really get glamour stuff at all. If they had some sort of minor. out of combat functionality then that would be one thing

>>383314957

Enjoy it while you can. Once SE gets their head out of their asses, I'll be having the last laugh (as always).

>>383315073
They go down depending on which minion is on WT for the week. If the one you want if up for the week watch the MB on the weekend and the price should be dropping.

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>>383314990
She'll wait for you.

>>383315365
Lord of Verminion. Ha, who am I kidding,
I'm the only loser still playing that.
But really. Some people just like to collect things, it's something else to do except idle in rhalgr's reach and wait for pf

>>383315365
when you're all geared up there isnt much else to spend gil on if you aren't glamouring or furnishing

>>383315381
That might take a few years.

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cute

>>383315591
I don't like her. She acts like a greedy jew.

>>383315381
yeah just like how they nerfed balance after it has been the most overpowered thing in the game for over a year

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>been camping The Lochs and Yanxia alternately since launch
>bosses always spawn when I can't force myself to stay awake anymore or when I'm at work

>>383315658
Nigger, people will be hunting them all expansion. It takes 12 horns to even get Ixion. Calm down.

>>383315658
>tfw the proud owner of one (1) rock from the small fox fate
hell yea bithc

Any benefits to just levelling fishing? its quite fun and relaxing and I dont really care much for other DOH/DOL classes

>>383315842
you can get the otter minion from ventures

>>383315842

A lot of high tier food this expansion uses fish

>>383315591
When does she die?

>>383315743
12 horns is only three gold medals

>>383315842
You can desynth bikinis/swimwear from ARR fish. You can sell fish on the market, even the ones not used in crafting, other fishers will buy them to desynth. It's easy to level, and there's plenty of fish to just discover.

>>383315924
When Nero backstabs her.

>>383315842
it was the top choice for scrip grinding last time around and aethersands were pretty lucrative for the effort needed to farm them

>>383315940
I thought gold only gave 2 horns. Cause silver only gives 1.

>>383316007
With what?

>>383315987
>>383315907
>>383315920
>>383316043
thanks for the advice.
ive never levelled any DOL classes before, what level can you desynth something?

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>>383296453

>>383316007
Oh, he's gonna backstab her, alright.

If you know what I'm saying.

>>383316091
His magitek hammer

For people who 'raid', how the heck do you afford food? As someone who doesn't craft/gather, food seems prohibitively expensive. I think with my current gil I could buy -three- (3) meals total

>>383316196
Food is required if you're doing for server first, outside that, meh. I guess you could buy it for progression. Once most FCs have it on farm, food prices plummet.
t. Culinarian

>>383316182

Fuck, I'd forgotten that Nero can actually fight

Why don't they ever play off that? He's been written as a stuffy scientist, but he's also a pretty decent, giant gun hammer wielding soldier

>>383316149
I can't find the XIV 1.0 version. Someone have it?

>>383316131
desynth for fish requires level 30 culinarian, but it's not tied to it in any other way

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>>383316182
nero is such a pimp

>>383296363

>Skip all cutscenes
>Skip all the text and alternative stories.
>Braindead play something without knowing anything about it
> Gets to level 70, wtf is a warrior of light? a skill or job?
>wtff short game i finished in 1 day wtf no content ok back to wow XDDDD.

Kys.

What's the best way to level fisher from 50-70? Leves?

>>383316327
What did you think of the 60-70 questline?

>>383314316

>One who heals allies through dealing damage instead?

They should rework MNK to be a melee/healer that focuses on sustained damage and regen.

>tfw boosted paladin
>parsed 90th in both primals
>now im grinding the i260 anima because it's so pretty
Guess I'm in love

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>add 1 tank and 1 DPS
>queues are still long because of healers

>add 1 healer and 1 DPS
>queues are still long because of tanks

>add 1 tank and 1 healer
>have to add 2 DPS next time anyways

>>383316579
dancer?

>>383316461
>Bendlydick Cucumbersnatch

>>383316508
collectables + leves, yes
you can also resize the window or use a second monitor and watch netflix or something, grinding it out is actually viable for fisher

>implying guild wars 2 was bad

they are completely different games anon, and both games are great. 90% of the autists that actually complain about GW2 are just mad they didn't release GW1 part 2

>>383316579
>dps healer
There's no way in hell that would ever be balanced without it being mediocre at both.

>>383314316

They could bring back 1.0 THM; A blood healer with stat drain spells that distributes his own buffs to party members. As in 'Drain Vit' from enemy, gain the vit you drained, then a skill that passes that vit buff to the tank etc

But that'll never happen

>square gives tanks cracked clusters to get them to do roulette
>materia value already dropping so fast that they are going to be 5k within a week
>tanks aren't going to bother doing roulette when materia is worthless

square really didn't think things through

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>>383316461
Nero is a CHAR

>>383316682

It worked for SCH before Stormblood.

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It's time.

>>383316749

They only really need to encourage tanks long enough for the roulette to balance back out

Eventually people with drop the game like game hoppers tend to do/RDM and SAM hype dies off and things normalize again

>>383316749
>tanks only want materia to sell and not to meld

Should I be stacking crit/sks for monk?

>>383316858
You mean the hilariously OP healer that was non-optional role in the party?

>>383316372
He fought in WoD though.

>>383316876
its OUR turn now Tankcucks

>>383316876

I've probably seen this message 2-3 times in the two years I've been playing.

>>383316942

Which was two games ago

Haven't played since just before 3.1 released, how has it been since then?

>>383314316
>No healer that heals some through damage like melee moves
>No healer with channeled heals that get stronger as you channel but also cost more
>No healer with charges that let them pool up uses for burst phases or emergencies
>No healer all about stacking 3-5 smaller hots
>No healer with some kind of totem/statue/etc gimmick that buffs and heals people nearby this is in tons of games not just WoW fuck off

>>383316924
When you're getting 1 piece of gear per week you don't need a ton of materia

>>383316924
Why run dungeons when you can buy now super cheap materia?

>>383317004
He was in HW for like 5 minutes, what do you want

>>383317031
you have a lot to catch up to

>>383317091

Gun hammers

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>>383316939

That's the thing. Their heals weren't the reason people picked SCH and it never will be. As long as they don't stay centered around dps and mitigation, the other two healers will remain superior unless SE buffs the shit out of their numbers.

>>383317091
I mean, he could fucking help us in the Deltascape

>>383317038

Melee healer literally would not work in XIV

Imagine how Ifrit EX would play out with a melee healer

>>383317083
>Stock clusters
>Wait for prices to bounce back
>???
>profit