Why Fire Emblem isn't what it used to be

She has an obsessions with Inigo and Severa. Her Twitter account, which she deleted after she came under attack from Japanese fans, was @lune_of_laz - a combination of Luna (Severa’s Japanese alias in Fates) and Azure (Inigo’s Japanese name). She wants her characters to show up in as many games as possible. Not only did they appear in Fates, they also were among the first heroes players could summon in FE Heroes.

Due to the success of Awakening, she got an even bigger role in the development of the two Fire Emblem Fates games where she developed the main scenario, which was critically panned. Because she is a hardcore fan of Sailor Moon, she used the birthday date of her favorite Sailor Moon character Tsukano Usagi for Leo (June 30).

She also incorporates a lot of anime tropes and otaku baits into her writing.

Even though she hardly knows anything about the series, she got promoted to series supervisor and worked in that position on games like Smash Bros. 4 Wii U/3DS and Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. She was not involved with Fire Emblem Echoes, but is most likely currently working on the new Fire Emblem game for Switch and Fire Emblem Warriors. Fire Emblem Warriors is once again built around the games she personally was involved with, Awakening and Fates.

Japanese fans have created several wiki pages and Twitter accounts to spread the word about Nami Komoru’s mistreating of the series, but Western fans don’t seem to be familiar with her as of yet. If you care about the series, I recommend checking out some of the links and use Google Translate to read what’s been written there. There are still people at Intelligent Systems that can develop a good Fire Emblem game, as Shadows of Valentia demonstrates, but as long as Nami Komuro is involved with the main series, the future is looking rather grim.

Info page: https://www65.atwiki.jp/fesinceawakening/sp/pages/16.html
Wiki: http://fireemblemkomuro.wiki.fc2.com/m/
Twitter account about NK’s problematic remarks: https://twitter.com/nk_of_is
Twitter account: https://twitter.com/lamentfebot/

Bitches

Grandpa's btfo! It's our fire emblem now!

>>383263331
Tell that to IS director. Vidya dev is about teamwork. One person cant be held accountable for the product.
Corporate has structure for that reason.

>>383263331
Looks like she being seen as scapegoat, I don't really think one person has that much control over a series or whatever

Fujoshi are ruining Japanese games.

>>383263331
>>383263365
>>383263442
So what I can gather from this, they got a casual to start playing a really big role?
Explains a bit.
I personally liked Awakening and fates but I can see why people are pissed at this.

Everything makes so much damn sense now

>>383263331

Yea lets ignore Japanese hierarchy and scapegoat one person. That will change a series that's not even in a bad place right now.

Have you told /feg/?

>>383264265
You had better be pretending to be retarded.

>Inb4 weebs harass her into insanity

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>>383264265
t.OP

I woke up with a Hangover can you just TLDR please

>>383264613
Japanese think a specific fujo is ruining Fire Emblem, they compiled a bunch of info and stuff on it

>>383264613
women literally complained to make awakening easy and contributed to fates shitty plot.

>>383264407
>>383264443
>>383264457
>>383264613
t. Komuro-chan
Give us more waifushit dammit! Good characterization and writing be damned!

>>383264265
cant kill a series that was DITW senpai. they made fire emblem relevant, but sadly, by casualizing it.

Fujos ruin everything as always

Hu.
Well, it's pretty sad to learn that.

>>383263331
>implying you have to be a "fan" of a series to work on it
>implying video game development isn't a job like any other where all that matters is whether or not you're competent at your particular function and have experience the company is looking for
>Trying to make a scapegoat out of one member of a large development team
>Implying Awakening and Fates were somehow flops when they're among the most popular recent entries in what was previously a dead franchise
>Using the phrase "Japanese fans" as if to imply that it isn't just an angry group of "not muh Fire Embremu" fags that are upset and looking for someone to harass and blame for not making the Fire Emblem they wanted

Anyway, it's interesting to see that Japan's Fire Emblem is also plagued by annoying autists

Also, Awakening was better than Echoes

>>383263331
I don't think it's something you can really shift all the blame on one person, but that's still a pity if she still had a significant amount of influence

sounds like japanese five guys waiting to happen

hope the Echoes side keeps doing good though and the panning of the Fates story keeps her away from scenario since clearly she's awful at that, don't really give a shit about crossovers or nostalgic cameo shit, I don't clap when I see AT-ATs

>>383264694
More like a small group of the Japanese equivalent of Fire Emblem shitposters on /v/

Pretty sure most FEfags in Japan don't give a shit, seeing as they mostly liked Awakening and Fates

>>383264954
>Also, Awakening was better than Echoes
No
Die

>only diehards cared about this series
>now sells very well because of waifu pandering

What else do you want? Be happy that your franchise is alive unlike fzero or some other shit

>>383264954

did you forget about the

>she only worked there because she was close
>was mad her Thief got killed by a Knight in Binding Blade and demanded the games be made easier
>her OC husbandos are getting crossover priority
>doesn't understand why fans are mad

>>383263331

Please don't remake the Jugdral games. I don't want IS to fuck it up.

>>383263331
Oh, yeah, screw the fact that without Awakenign the series would be absolutely dead and it was a huge success, just blame weebs/otakus/anime/nukes/japan or the latest buzzword you like.

>>383263331
>everything wrong with modern Intelligent Systems can be traced back to a single person
This smells like a lot of bullshit my dude.

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>>383263365
>severe gay waifufag might get my waifu into Warriors
I'm all for it, don't let me down lady.
Also make Michalis and Validar playable if you could.

>>383265682

the game would have been successful because it was a new portable non remake FE. The US haven't had one since Sacred Stones. Waifus didn't do shit.

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Things like this makes me happy my favorite JRPG franchise is dead.

>>383263331
Fire Emblem was NEVER good. Never ever. The gameplay is garbage, the OST is garbage and the lore is garbage. The only good thing about it are the FEW, and I do mean FEW, good design it has but that is it.

>>383265570

they didn't fuck up Gaiden. Oh fuck you it wasn't bad

If you make a thread shitting on a staffer that the mods don't personally know will it get deleted?

>>383265947

>the OST is garbage

OVER THE LINE

>>383265957
It was actually pretty good but Conquestfags will screech at you because they're angry that their game isn't the only worthwhile 3DS game anymore.

>>383265846
Try telling this to OP or the thousands of others who agree with that pasta.

>>383265763
>Validar
I honestly don't understand what there was to like about him. Not criticising, just curious

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>>383265310
I wish it was dead instead of all that wiafushit and otaku bait.
F

>>383265310
I'd rather it be dead than be something it's not.

>>383266109

I'm not saying shit Lucina or improved romance didn't helpbut to laud the success of the game ENTIRELY on that is dishonest. That's like saying Persona is only successful because of S.Links. It's one piece of a greater puzzle.

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As much as this makes too much sense and explains so much with what has gone wrong with FE, I'd have to agree with that other anon and say there's no way one person has that much control at IS.

Reading all this was pretty scary though.

>>383266109
Lots of people believe stupid shit.

There are 1.6 billion people in the world that believe Islam is the one true religion.

Argument from memetics is terrible.

>>383266295
>>383266530
Thank goodness you are a small minority and the new games are more popular than the old ones.

>B-B-BUT POPULARITY DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOOD

Who cares, people like them. Just because you dont't like the new ones doesn't mean nobody else does. And numbers do matter.

>>383264764
Even if all is true the game director should be the one held responsible as he/she is the one approving all the decisions.
t. wagecuck

I enjoy awakening.

>>383263331
women...... women................ WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>383266835

I enjoy Awakening too but guess what? I don't want every FE to be Awakening clones just because it did well.

If a fresh graduate out of college has that much control over your entire game, you're doing something wrong

>>383266940
I skipped fates because I just well, not too into to FE actually and it being split into 3 (three) routes didn't help.
How's echo? Does it have waifuing too?

I swear to god the Fire Emblem fanbase is in the running to replace Metroid as the worst Nintendo fanbase.

>>383267034
This is where OP fucked up.

>fresh college graduate joins company
>immediately gets creative control over the company's next big game
Bull fucking shit.

>>383267115
SoV is a mostly straight out remake of Gaiden.

But Conquest was great

Unless she was responsible for the awful story, I don't see the problem

>>383263331

So you're saying she ruined FE or something? If so she's the hero we need so let her work on Zelda next then when she's done with that have her move onto Mario before hitting the B series w/ Kirby/Metroid/etc/etc/etc.

She could ruin Nintendo all by herself.

>>383267115
it's Gaiden with expanded story and not unplayably slow

>>383267354
Plain remake then? Prior awakening the only FE i played is the one with lyn. I guess I will skip.
Damn, there's been to much FE lately.
Where's my advance wars IS?

>>383267034
This. If OP's story is true, they should blame the higher-ups who gave her that job. Imagine graduating law school and you immediately become a Supreme Court judge.

>>383267457
Nah, you can blame the shit story on a washed up mangaka.

Fire emblem was never good.

It's always been a stripped down RPG with mechanics that are shit.

>>383267457
>Main Scenario

she's at least partly to blame for the story, yes

>>383266831
>Who cares, people like them.
This is such a shit argument. The series exchanged well refined gameplay, respectful character art, and decent stories for casualized gameplay, otaku-pandering characters, and some of the worst writing I've ever seen in games. Solely because casuals like them doesn't mean they aren't dogshit.

> Just because you dont't like the new ones doesn't mean nobody else does
Yeah, they're casuals who have only played the latest entries in the series and don't know shit about what made the games good.

>>383267661
I mean, there are bells and whistles, but it's mostly just a shinier gaiden.

>>383263331
I'm full on /pol/-tard gamergater, whatever, right wing and misogynistic as fuck. But this is honestly retarded behavior.

You're pinning everything wrong with the franchise on a single chick because she isn't really a fan? Do you assume every dude working on FE is a diehard autist about it, like you simpletons, and it's this single roastie ruining everything? It's a job to them. This is pure autism.

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>Likes Sailor Moon
>But writes such a shitty story

It's a disgrace to Sailor Moon fans.

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>Saves Fire Emblem from not being produced anymore
>Japan Riots

I mean sure I hate a lot of things she have done with the series, but Awakening was a good game, despite what the oldfags say, and Echoes is the best modern Fire Emblem game, yes, better thna the GC and Wii one.

Fire Emblem fans have officially become the worse kind of fans now.

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>>383268106
She probably prefers the manga

>>383266603
Welcome to witch hunting 101.

Pick a target that has trait you don't like and then heap everything you don't like onto them as their fault. Any and all personal failures, or approvals of changes you don't like, are 100% their machinations.

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This is Anna. The Fire Emblem mascot. Say something nice about her.

>>383268254
>Awakening was a good game
Fuck off retard

>>383268254
It's not all of Japan
It's just the turboautists.

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>>383268254
>Awakening was good
>Echos is the best modern FE
Fuck off.

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>>383268106

>Sailor Moon has a good story/plot

I'm confused anon, help me out so I understand what the fuck you're talking about.

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I don't really care for Fire Emblem but if this thot is the reason we ain't getting a new Advance Wars then I'll be mad.

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>Echoes is the best of the Nu Fire Emblems
>Its a Remake.

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>>383266831
Here with you anon, those haters are pure cancer, having started wth Radiant Dawn on the Wii, Awakening really made me love the series way more, not those dull boring games these people claim are better.

>>383267867
I'll argue you on the character designs, the newer ones are great and they got a terrific artist to do them.

Pure autism unfiltered.

>>383268254
>Echoes better than either Tellius game
In what aspect(s)?

I can get it beating RD in terms of character development, supports, and better balanced availability, but I'm not sure what else it has over either of thsoe two.

>>383268254
so new it fucking hurts

Awakening and Echoes were shit, and I'm an oldfag who liked Fates

>>383268586
It's really sad that this fanbase has just become permanently divided into an us vs. them scenario like this retarded post proves.

You guys are quickly on your way to becoming as divided as the Sonic fanbase.

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>>383268358
>Durr Durr my old, clunky, unbalanced pieces of shit games that make me look hipsters are better

>>383268406
Yeah, that image tells me you are a turboaustits, no need to say anything else.

You guys REALLY are the worse kind of fans, and I hope you guys go extinct in the next 4-5 years as more good FE games come out.

>>383268871
>Yeah, that image tells me you are a turboaustits, no need to say anything else.
Great argument faggot.

>>383268512
To be fair, it's a remake that came after 3 games in the series. Plus it was made right after Fates so they probably had time to fix up all the problems Fates and Awakening had.

If they rereleased Awakening with all the advancements they made with Fates and Echoes, it wouldn't be looked down as a worst game.

>>383268871
>calls the old games unbalanced while defending Awakening
This really has to be a bait post.

>>383268871
>/s4s/ image
>"turboaustit"
Jesus christ you couldn't be any more new if you tried.

>>383268512
>Sling Bikini
At that point why not just go full on nude.

>>383263331
>>383263365
>>383263442
Now THIS is autism.

>>383268846
Blame GBAfags.

They are the worst ones who wanna blame anyone and everyone who doesn't fit their shit narrative.

They are the maggots who believe Lyn, Roy and Hector are the mascots of FE over FUCKING Marth

>>383263331
>Female dev ruin my fav series!!
>It's definitely her fault! Random quotes for proof!
>Send out emails to get female fired!!
Fuck off. You are the cancer killing games.

>>383267867
Can you provide some examples of the writing in classic FE that you consider high literature? Every FE game I've played (granted I started in GBA era) has had inoffensive writing but nothing impressive at all. I also didn't notice any kind of decline in writing quality from GBA to DS games.

I'd also question your criticism of character designs. designs have been pretty consistent since 2000.

>>383269036

confirmed child

clothed is always hotter than not clothed

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>>383265947
>the OST is garbage
I'll fight you

>>383263331
so they got a japanese version of that Dina cunt from the MN9 fiasco. incredible.

>>383268432
>Likable characters
>Accelerating stakes
>A Protagonist who is relatable
>Premium waifus who aren't terrible
>Well designed villains
>Excellent climaxes for stories

The fact that Sailor Moon can have more drama and tension it when killing characters despite all bringing them back to life compared to Fates where they stay dead is awful

The fact that someone who likes Sailor Moon would MAKE a character like Azura and think "Yes, this is the female protagonist we need" is awful.

>>383269245
I said decent. They're not mind blowing or anything but the older games are far and above the complete fucking joke that is Fate's writing. Awakening's plot isn't offensively bad but it's incredibly generic and still worst than most of the previous games.

>>383269105

>blame the fans who got the series off the ground internationally

really roasts those chestnuts. Or do you still think we got Binding Blade because of Smash and NOT Advanced Wars?

>>383269036
pornography and censorship laws in Japan.

>>383263331
>Why Fire Emblem isn't what it used to be
>one person's complaints
I find this highly unlikely.

>>383269451
Nah, we never got Binding Blade. Only Blazing Blade

And even then how we got it was a combination of both because FE would have stayed in Japan even if Advance Wars sold well like it did.

>>383263442
>There are still people at Intelligent Systems that can develop a good Fire Emblem game, as Shadows of Valentia demonstrates
What sort of retard would actually believe this bullshit when you end with objectively wrong nonsense like this? No one likes Echoes. There's a reason it had mediocre sales and more people are playing and discussing Heroes than it. The sole reason people don't call it out for being the garbage that it is more often is because anti-awakening/fates fags refuse to admit that an old FE game could be garbage.

Also, the complaints about difficulty are idiotic. Conquest ties with NM for hardest FE game. Awakening is still harder than games like FE8 and FE4.

>>383268846
I wonder what Vektor's feet smells like haha.

>>383268871
I never get why people throw balance around in arguments over FE or Soul Calibur, literally none of them are particularly well done.
Like Awakening has Virion, and Ricken who are shit if you're just doing main game,pretty much all the way through, and if you're doing post-game, then it's largely dependent on what kids you gave GF, Laurent, Gerome, and Yarne stay benched eternally. Cherche is also fairly shaky both in normal pts, and in post game due to not learning any good skills.
Sure it's better balanced than RD, but it still doesn't reach a particularly high benchmark

>>383269245
I genuinely like the Western explanation to the duel between Ike and the BK, along with the scene of Ike going bananas and shouting at Sanaki.

>>383269468
That's by a drawfag

>>383269610
It's in a jpg, it has to be true

>>383269031
Are you serious? you can literally carry the old games with a single character like Hector in most old Fire Emblem games, new FE fans may not know how broken the old games are, and you guys have the edge because you guys experienced both, old FE games are a broken mess.

Look OP I am all for agreeing with /pol/ that women shouldn't be in the workplace, hell I'm dealing with a bunch of nasty biches in the office Monday through Friday myself so I know the hell that is picking up all their slack but you can't tell me she is at fault for EVERYTHING with these games right?

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>>383265947
>the OST is garbage
Say that again nigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izRnlS4rDj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naNhQ5YNL0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRrUBc1zYYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82tEI4yLEWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djsg7MrLvqA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVlE8u6Hhp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0CJYb10tlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah_n2aYQpVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9J0_RYhWMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVKrpiphCuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqvM63tUz2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQxUS9Ium24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbaSmXpX6OQ

>>383269435
Provide examples please. Every FE game has an incredibly generic plot: "Evil empire/kingdom trying to take over continent. Band of heroes, led by a noble lord oppose armies and make friends along the way. Then you find out a dragon was behind it all". I'd also like to clarify, when you are criticizing the writing, are you talking about writing or narrative? Like, is it the story and overall plot that is bad or do you think that dialogue/individual lines are poorly written? In both old and new FE (and this might be a localization thing, I've never bothered with learning Japanese) the actual writing is serviceable but not memorable.

>>383269468
The image was from a draw thread on /v/

I was the one that requested it

>>383269678
Go back to shitposting in /feg/, friendo.

>>383263851
>I don't really think one person has that much control over a series or whatever
HAHAHAHAHA oh my god you have no fucking idea how retarded japanese office hierarchy is. it isn't surprising at all that one person would fuck everything up. look at the Iwata Asks interviews about Other M. they could never argue sakamoto down from ANYTHING he wanted, there are tons of jap devs that behave like that.

>hideo baba
>miyamoto
>itagaki

even the direct of #FE was the guy who came in and scrapped the original game they were planning to make, the thing people wanted (FE gameplay with normal PXZ style crossover shenanigans) because he fought and demanded they make something "only Atlus can make" instead of making something they thought IS could make.

>>383269678
t.NuFE fag

>>383269829
The only good FE games for story are New Mystery, Radiant Dawn, and Genealogy.

>>383269737
I never said the old games weren't unbalanced but the fact that you decided to use unbalanced as a criticism against them while defending the game with overpowered Pair Up is extremely hypocritical and laughable.

>>383269793
1 to 5 decent/good songs per game doesn't make a good soundtrack. That said I can't think of any truly bad music in FE but for the most part it's just serviceable.

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>>383269782
I have to agree with this. She's probably part of the problem but a single person can't fuck up so much.

>>383268846
Do not worry, look at this chart.

Awakening is released
>Minimal shitposting
>FE Return from the death
>Some people start to hate on it near the ends of its life because of waifus

Fates is release
>Full on hatred towards the series specifically by old fans
>Objectively worse than Awakening still a good game

Echoes is release
>Best modern FE game to date
>Shit posting is extremely low now given is the best modern FE game

Is just a matter of time before they stop existing, good fire emblem games will pile up, and before we know it the old fans will stop existing.

>>383270014
>1 to 5 decent/good songs per game doesn't make a good soundtrack.
>All the good tracks I listed only 1 out of 5 are good
>When all the tracks I listed are all solid 10/10s
Please just kill yourself and stop posting in this thread please

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>>383269980
>New Mystery
>good story

>>383264070
>That will change a series that's not even in a bad place right now.
It is if you want anything like the old games or want any focus or care given to characters who came before the two most recent casts. as OP pointed out, Echoes didn't involve this person and there is nothing objectionable in it at all. It's just straight up classic FE in tone and gameplay, except with lingering bullshit "improvements" from the later games to make dead units effectively meaningless.

>>383270118
>still blaming old fans for everything
It's both sides fault, you biased fuck.

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>>383265947
>OST is Garbage
Got me hard, I could not stop from replying, sorry guys.

>>383263365
>Severa
>She wants her characters to show up in as many games as possible

I wouldn't mind this. She was one of the best characters in Awakening.

It would get old fast, and I can see why people would get angry, but personally I wouldn't mind. if Severa was in more games.

>>383270181
The amount of information they cram in through map scenes and base conversations is better than anything else the series has to offer.

You tell me it doesn't have the beat world building and lore in the series.

>/v/ believing a new hire and a woman to boot could have a major influence over a series in a Japanese corporate environment

You niggas dumb.

She's a scapegoat for the fact that otakuwaifu pandering is PROFITABBLLEE

Awakenings made shit tons of money and was likely designed by focus group

>>383269980
>New Mystery's story
>good

That who game pretty much makes Marth and Jagen look like shitters because "KRIS WAS THE REASON FOR MARTH'S SUCCESS AND HE CARED ABOUT YOU MORE THAN CADEA"

He's worst than Robin who only hijacked 1/3 of his game. Kris hijacked all of FE3 and made it looked worst

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>>383269678
>Awakening is still harder than games like FE8 and FE4.

>>383269954
Not them, but comparing the amount of control she has to presidents and established producers is a little dishonest

>>383269980
>Not PoR

>>383270431
Tbh I forgot about Kris. Replace the Kris dicksucking with the scenes from the original Mystery and it's better.

>>383270180
What I was saying is that usually there's only a handful of stand out tracks in every game, not across the series, while the rest simply get the job done. It's not like Castlevania or F-Zero where nearly every track is 10/10.

>>383270438
It is true through. Nintendo has tried to casualize the series before, but you guys have shit memory

>>383264954
>implying you have to be a "fan" of a series to work on it
I expect them to be a fan of the series if they are in a prominently credited design role for characters AND story AND scripting

Honestly I think people are being dismissive of this because we are all worn out from getting fucked in the ass all the time and don't have the energy to be pissed off about all the dumb shit these people do anymore, which is exactly what companies count on, look at Bethesda, they pushed paid mods, waited for the rage and hatred to subside, and then pushed it a second time when people didn't have the willpower to start the whole pushback all over again even though they need to, to keep this shit from being normalized

Apathy is the #1 thing killing our society

>>383267034
>IS: We want the 18-24 fujoshi audience

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>>383270527

>>383270438
Lunatic + is some straight up unfair bullshit, yes.

>>383270325
Archanea lore is overrated, Jugdral lore is better.

>>383268871
Kill yourself my man.

>>383270438
Sigurd and Seth are the most overpowered units in the series for a reason. Even Robin can't double enemies in the final chapter at base like they can.

>>383269954
the difference is baba is the head honcho, not some literal who grad fresh out of college

>>383270118
>awakening better than anything
>echoes better than anything
so casual it fucking hurts. Gameplay is the most important part of FE you silly nuFag

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>>383263331
Wew be careful, you might get banned and your thread deleted for misogyny like a certain event 3 years ago.

Look at:
>>383265682
>>383269048
>>383267903
>>383269238

They are already here to silence you. Lovely.

>>383265570
ISIS can't do remakes. They will keep all the shit from the original game and not fix anything.

>dying series
>had to salvage it by turning it into the usual weeb waifu-fest
>IT'S ALL WOMEN'S FAULT!!
stay classy, vee
blame the otaku for being such a huge and easily baitable audience everyone want them, in desperation or not

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>Fire Emblem is basically fading into obscurity
>last one made was a jap only remake that only sold about 20-30K
>hire a new planner whose credentials are good enough that you can overlook the fact she has no prior interest in the series
>let her take a primary role in your new games development
>2 million sales globally
>let her take a similar role in the next game
>1.8 million sales globally

oh man I just can't figure out why she still has a job

>>383270513
she is an established producer, look at OP, she is in a producer role if she's writing the fucking PLOT and CHARACTERS and even dictating the level of difficulty

>>383270846
She obviously isn't some literal fucking who if she is involved in nearly every aspect of the development of the last two games, that is the point OP is fucking making in the first place

>>383270686
Isn't what they always wanted to go after. FE was always for the Fujos.

When you got fuccbois like Marth, Seliph, Roy and Alm and those tough guys like Ike, Hector, Chrom and Ephraim. Girls fucking loves that shit for years.

Awakening is the only game that pandered to waifufags because Waifus are a lot more popular compared to the husbandos in that game.

Don't believe me. Look at those FE Heroes polls and see how many girls in the Top 20 was dominated by Awakening and how many of them was pre-FE13

fire emblem fanbase being cancer as always

>>383270936
>>383270917
There is no proof any of what OP said is even true. This whole thread is just one big bait thread to get /v/ to think "OH SHIT, ANOTHER SERIES RUINED BY WOMEN GRRR"

>>383263331
Fire Emblem sells more than ever now so she did a good job.

>>383263331
wait is this for real

>>383269994
You see, at least is broken mechanics, wich at least make it fun to exploit, old fire emblems games just had OP characters that carry the weigh of multiple characters.

In my eyes, that WAY worse game design.

Looks like we found a new whore to bash. Get her, boys.

>>383270936
OP (if it's even true) LITERALLY said she was a fresh graduate out of college when she began working on Awakening

thinking a new employee has that much control over anything in any company is fucking stupid

you're legitimately retarded if you compare her to fucking baba

>>383271118
>don't field OP character
>problem solved
>don't use broken mechanic
>game is centered around said broken mechanic so it just makes the game worse as a whole
You're retarded.

>>383270936
The OP lists her as being one of many people involved in the work on the game and ignores the fact that, as much as people might try and deny it, the characters she's created have been extremely well received overall, especially in Japan.

Fuck, just look at the Heroes CYL poll. Over 50 of the top 100 characters were from Fates and Awakening. They aren't going to remove her when the games she's worked on have been so successful and the characters she's made have been so well received, especially when the only 3DS game she didn't work on has been the most poorly received one of the bunch.

>>383271019
Um except for the proof they posted right there? She is credited in those games, those are her words about making Awakening easier and being the source of the game's easy maps

people can be bad at their job you fucking faggot, she is promoted above her level of competence and there is plenty of evidence just in OP that one could look up for themselves and identify as fact

the fact that japanese gamers and western gamers have absolutely no proper communication between each other is a serious problem imo, because people see things like this which are common knowledge in the country of origin and over here we just act all dismissive because it's too far away for us to try and understand foreign shit clearly

>>383263365
>She has an obsession with Inigo and Severa.
What horrible taste... I still remember how disappointed I was when Inigo was revealed as Xander's retainer and I realized both of his retainers were absolute garbage.

I'm done with this series. Conquest had so much promise but was such let down on so many levels. I'm not going through that again. I still get angry thinking about it to this day.

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>>383270973
>>383271019

>"It's not our fault!! It's only a coincidence that news fire emblems story and design are garbage!!!"

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>>383271176
And if she did have that much control, fucking good on her. She revived a dying series and made the highest selling entry at the same time.

>>383271330
it's not
cq and awakening is better than all gba emblems because they aren't boring as shit

>>383271297
Explain how the FUCK a woman fresh out of college would get a position that high and influential right away? ESPECIALLY on a game that was going to make or break the continuation of the series.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

>>383271176
>thinking a new employee has that much control over anything in any company is fucking stupid
then why would the devs give a single fuck that she can't beat the maps of the game she is writing characters and story for, you absolute cockmongler?

if she's nobody then fuck her why would they bend down and water down the entire game's difficulty if she had no say? are you even looking at the shit OP posted??

>>383271118
Thing is that's a problem early game. Those late FE games can have you be carried by someone LATE game right at the end due to how strong they've gotten and how busted their stats were.

Any game pre-3DS that had that issue was either RD with Ike or SS with Seth or Ephraim.

You couldn't be carried by Hector ALONE because despite him being that damn good, you had other great units and the game wouldn't let you do that late game

>>383271382
>revived a dying series

awakening sold well because it was actually advertised and came out when 3DS had literally nothing else to play

>>383271262
Pair-up is only broken when certain characters make use of it in a certain manner (notably heavily grinded out characters and nostanks). You can't pair Donnel and Frederick together and expect Donnel to solo entire maps just like you can't expect warping Julian to allow you to easily ORKO bosses so that you can warp Marth afterwards to seize.

>>383271475
that's the entire point you mong

I'm saying the OP is blowing things way out of proportion, and retards like you are falling for it like trump supporters falling for Russian election riggers

>>383271517
FE7 Hector isn't even all that great in HHM because he can't promote until super late.

Don't know if all this is true but it's a fact that 99% of women are complete scrubs, listening to them at all would automatically ruin a game.

>>383263331
Is she the Hideo Baba of FE

>>383271461
>Explain how the FUCK a woman fresh out of college would get a position that high and influential right away?
Why are you asking ME and not FUCKING INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS, THE PEOPLE WHO HIRED HER and clearly did what you are struggling to comprehend?

>>383271612
pairup is pretty bad for the game's design and you don't even need to grind to abuse.

>Game has bulkier enemies
>pair up units
>less units getting EXP overall
>this causes units to start steamrolling as they keep getting more EXP
>Support boosts going up over time makes it even more effective.

the result is a game where you would normally be using 14ish units individually to handle situations results in moving 1 unit with a murderbackpack into dangerous situations where he can just tank everything.

Even if you want to ignore pairup, that doesn't work because the enemies on harder modes have insanely high stats and using too many units in Awakening isn't viable due to pretty much everyone's base stats being completely garbage. Making everyone a growth unit was a mistake as there's now huge variance in stats.

>>383271612
Pair Up in Awakening is broken as a general mechanic because it gives the player a HUGE unfair advantage against the enemy in a game where the point is to outstragetize the enemies the game throws at you. It throws all strategy out the window.

Fates fixed this by giving enemies the ability to pair up too and thus evening the playing field. If the playing field isn't even between both oppositions, it ceases to be strategic. This is why I consider Awakening one of the worst Fire Emblem games. Because it throws strategy conventions out the window.

>inb4 brings up Echoes
Yes Echoes does this too with only the player having access to Weapon Arts but Echoes and Gaiden as well was designed to play partially like your standard JRPG as well unlike Awakening. So it mitigates some of that issue.

Why are people retarded? It's a fucking job, she doesn't have to like it.

I used to work as a waiter several years ago, I hated the job but I made sure that everything was perfect and to the taste of the customers.

>>383263331
>>383263365
>>383263442
You can always tell when a concerned "fan" hasn't played Conquest.

>>383269238
>OP shows the cancer that is killing games
>shift blame onto OP just for making you aware of it
>lol caring is for fags you should just not care about anything and be thankful that the series is successful by being complete garbage happily consumed by slop pig tumblrites!!

>literal who that got hired out of college has the power to completely alter a series to her liking
Sounds plausible

>>383271971
conquest was still kinda dragged down by bullshit that affected the entire game, like the child mechanics/maps, forge/capture being random timer stuff, and Pair Up still being too good lategame

If CQ had more love and polish put into it the game would easily be one of the best gameplaywise but the fact that they had to make it worse to focus on making the other 2 routes stupid is a problem.

>>383268271
Go fuck yourself you piece of fucking shit woman excuser, This fucking bitch ruined a video game franchise and you're letting her get awa scot free

>>383263331
I'll hold my judgement until Inigo or Luna shows up at Warriors
If they do, then there's probably something weird in there.

>everyone here that thinks it's utterly impossible for a fresh graduate to suddenly get complete control of a series
Remember that she's a woman

>>383271517
Marcus can solo FE7, and pretending that the GBA games weren't at their easiest at the end is laughable, they toss you units strong enough to beat the end chapters with ease

>>383269678
This.

FE has changed for better or worse. Series would have DIED if it kept on the same track.

Echoes shows again that you can't turn back time - the old formula DOES NOT WORK.

I can understand if you would prefer the series was cancelled rather than morph into Awakening/Fates but it's either or. No going back.

>>383268948
Echoes is literally just Gaiden with Awakening's quality of life changes and the addition of a limited undo, which fixes arguably the most obnoxious thing about Gaiden which is having to start over a dungeon full of encounters just because one fucker died.

>>383271420
Implying you played any of them you Millennial.
2/10

>>383270917
>still posting wendys when the bitch chickened out

>>383272417
>Series would have DIED if it kept on the same track.
Dying with dignity? Dying on a relative good note that book ends the franchise with a remake of the third game? I'd sure as take that over a shithead woman ruining everything with her stupidity.

>>383272554
>I don't know what millenial means but /pol/ told me it's an insult

>>383271382
FEA sold in the west because tumblr latched onto the treehouse writing and shipping mechanic, tumblr popularity historically can turn a nothing project into a super-phenomenon.

see also: danganronpa (which only got popular/localized because of tumblr) and homestuck (before trolls/quadrants happened in the story the MSPA fandom was super tiny, then tumblr latched onto the trolls and it became a temporary popcultural axis power)

they ALWAYS do this. in the case of awakening, it was good timing saleswise (3DS owners were in a drought) and it appealed to the sort of idiots who make things sell and typically ruin it in the process by then demanding they continue to get catered to (tumblr)

>>383271382
Oh yes because what matter for the player is how much a shitty game sell to the lowest common denominator.
Make sense

>>383271519
Also this.

>>383272417
Echoes was one of the best selling 3ds games this year
what the fuck are you talking about
Nintendo can slap Fire Emblem on anything now and it'll sell

>>383272383
>she's a woman
In Japan, not in SJW States of America or Cucknada retard.

There's no way they would have given her that position so soon. Not just because she's a woman, but because Japanese hierarchy values seniority over anything else. They're NOT going to put a fresh college grad on there and anyone who thinks so in this thread is a fucking retard

>>383271858
Except you DO need to grind to abuse it, and your own post admits as such by describing the units in the game as growth units and you only being able to make the best use of pair-up by making use of the best tactical strategy in every FE game that isn't broken in half by warp skipping: low manning.

Pair-up isn't something that you get and it's already broken from the first chapter like Sigurd or Seth are. It's something you need to put effort into to make the most out of it, and the primary reason the best units in Awakening (other than Frederick, Anna, and Libra) are anyone with veteran or a manakete is because they gain exp faster than everyone else, letting them level faster to make better use of pair-up.

>>383271892
Fates fixed pair-up by fixing the actual real problem with Awakenings core game design: exp gain. Enemies in Fates being able to use pair up doesn't do anything to the overall power of pair up that the player is given, especially when most chapters don't feature many paired-up units.

>>383272593
It's fine to wish for that but don't blame a staffer for working to keep her company alive and succeeding just because the end product wasn't not what you wanted.

>>383272686
>FEA sold in the west because tumblr latched onto the treehouse writing
FEA was localized by 8-4 as was Echoes, Treehouse did Fates.

>>383272686
>tumblr popularity historically can turn a nothing project into a super-phenomenon
That's adorable

>>383272835
Wrong, her moral obligation was first and foremost to maintain the dignity of the series. Sales are a secondary goal. She's violated her moral compass and should be scorned for making a mockery of the series.

>>383272805
>especially when most chapters don't feature many paired-up units
Maybe in Birthright but in Conquest, enemies used Attack Stance almost all the time.

>>383272686
>FEA sold in the west because tumblr latched onto the treehouse writing and shipping mechanic
Treehouse didn't even exist when Awakening came out

Fucking tell me again how women don't ruin everything they touch in gaming.

>>383272839
I gave examples you mongoloid. Tumblr IS why FEA sold well, they weren't exactly quiet about it either

and those same faggot tumblrites now think they are "the saviors" of the franchise who should be the only feedback that matters for the future of the series

>>383272686
Danganronpa got recognized in the West because of Something Awful, not tumblr. Learn your history, newfag.

>>383272686
>FEA sold in the west because tumblr
Awakening was popular fucking everywhere, even on /v/. It used to show up in GOTY threads all the time and there were constant threads about it.

The reason Awakening sold well was because it came out at a time when the 3DS had near zero games and brought back what was arguably the most popular mechanic ever introduced in FE, the child making mechanic.

>>383272986
>Treehouse didn't even exist when Awakening came out
Yes it did.

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>>383272417
It's bullshit though. Awakening didn't saved the series. The 3DS, marketing and "anime" games being more popular today is what "saved" it.

>>383272835
When the staffer is responsible for the casualization of a franchise, yes, I WILL blame that fucking staffer, and I will blame the shit eating, overweight, fucking no standards having dipshits who eat ANYTHING that they see with some things that pander to them, there was once, believe it or not, that gameplay sold games.
Now gameplay has become a fucking afterthought, now its 'who can we pander to the most for profit, and how much can we cut off to sale later'

>>383272454
>defending the turnwheel

>>383273047
MSPA was big before Homestuck, and tumblr wasn't at all the only site fawning over the trolls. You're taking tumblr following fads as tumblr creating them, which is adorable.

>>383272417
I have to agree with this, its not that the older fire emblem games are bad;they most certainly are fun and engaging in their own way, but they are mature and follow a formula that dated and will mot appeal to the current global market. I'm going to put myself out there and say i enjoued echoes and ahadow dragon, but the stories weren't amazing. I played thosw games and dropped them because they had little replay value ans it wasnt sonething i wanted to talk about with othwrs after the game was finished - it was just over. Compare that to awakening or fates where i have hundreds of reclassing options, dozens of characters, maps and control over supports and its obvious choice what games you can and want to return to after playthrough 1.

FE has thr potential now to carve a niche as a srpg where you can have facorite characters pairup and have kids or uou can pairup (Mu) with them. I mention these things because if its just from the story or gameplay perspective, plenty of older final fantasy games do that better. FE can set itself apart because of that feature and thry shouldnt push it aside because a a fanbase that didnt support it way back when and are outright trying to murder its new fans now instead of accepting changes are necessary from 1990-2017 to stay marketable.

>>383272986
>>383272837
8-4 and Treehouse are practically interchangeable, they both wrote garbage localizations and butchered everything. Sorry to get them mixed up, I clearly missed the stark difference between "IM FREDERICK AND I LOVE PICKLES" and "RARGHG RAGH THATS DRAGON FOR ILU"

>>383272940
Attack stance isn't pair up, and enemies always make use of attack stance.

Conquest may have one or two enemies paired up at times per map, and them being paired doesn't really fix pair-up, even if unpaired units are the best ones to use to fight them in most cases.

>>383272685
You must be over 18 to browse 4chan.
It's time to go, you have a gigantic backlog of games waiting for you my sweet summer child

>>383272786
Shut up you fucking numale shitface no dick loser, shut the fuck up and just accept that this is yet another example of women being morally vacious, no effort, monsters, face goddamn reality for once you filthy liberal

>>383273308
>Millennials (also known as Generation Y) are the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates for when this cohort starts or ends. Demographers and researchers typically use the early 1980s as starting birth years and the mid-1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years.

>>383272805
>getting EXP is grinding

nowi also isn't even that good due to being slow

Also lowmanning isn;t nearly as effective in other games due to an EXP cap existing. You also can't just span end turn to win as side objectives usually exist, even outside of ranks

>>383272232
>child mechanics/maps
The kids weren't nearly has overpowered as Awakening's and Conquest's maps completely shit all over every other FE game available on the 3DS.

>forge/capture being random timer stuff
What? Most of FE is RNG based. If you want to complain about something being dependent on luck, it should be the growths. As far as a timers go, I don't recall forging ever being restricted (I'll admit, I never bothered with the prison though).

>Pair Up still being too good lategame
Still not as broken as Awakening.

>they had to make it worse to focus on making the other 2 routes stupid
Where are you pulling this shit from? I wouldn't be surprised if Conquest was made first since it had a level of polish that both Birthright and Revelations completely lacked.

Call it a hunch, but I don't think you've played Conquest.

>>383273258
Pickels was also Treehouse, the worst Awakening had (by which I mean gripe most commonly posted) was Henry/Olivia.

>>383273258
Just admit you didn't play awakening or fates and get your info from fates shitposting threads.

>>383273186
>MSPA was big before Homestuck
No it wasn't. The site had few enough visitors for people to recognize each other on the forums and for the author to have formspring and shit like that, because he wasn't flooded day in and day out with thousands and thousands of fans. It's not a fucking coincidence he turned off the up-to-then staple reader command suggestion threads and just wrote the story himself, because there were abruptly way too many fucking people

>and tumblr wasn't at all the only site fawning over the trolls
They were the biggest conglomeration of them, their culture was well defined on tumblr before it began leaking onto /co/ and other places. it was predominantly a tumblr fanbase, and danganronpa was the same. "fad" is what these things were to other sites, tumblr treated them like defining lifestyles.

>>383273562
Call it a hunch, but I think you're a dickless woman exucser.

>>383263331
>literally piling up all the complaints about a series onto an unpopular (in this case female) staffer because they must be the problem not the veterans
Intelligent Systems has had a problem where they rely more on Nintendo staff opinions and ideology for their games, they've been going down this path since the Wii era, which results in a different approach to the games that loses a bit of the original identity because they're no longer sure in their own ideas. Awakening was their last ditch effort to appeal to the newer trends and what fans always got really attached to, characters and romantic supports. Even so they still went out to hire a mangaka for scenario in Fates because of their lack of confidence in coming up with yet another reason for a fictional war to take place.

I guess otaku in Japan are just as triggered about girls working in video games as /v/ is.

>>383272779
Thats not saying anything. Not much newely released on 3ds thats not mario or shovelware, the main 3ds titles weren't releasing around echoes west launch date. It still sold pretty awful in comparison to more recent FE titles, even in its native country. The game needed new maps.

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>>383273080
People who rail on treehouse don't understand what the real issue is
>treehouse founded to localize Animal Crossing
>do a really good job and gets high praise
>Nintendo gives treehouse further projects as a reward
>Nintendo starts to treat treehouse as a translation division rather than localization, even thats what they are.
Localization divisions get paid for the amount of content they change, as well as translate. It is in their best interest to change things, therefor. The fact that they slurp the SJW/political correct/ what ever the fuck /pol/ is calling it today is irrelevant. The real problem is Nintendo is treating their localization company and a translation house and giving them projects they shouldn't even have their hands on in the first place.
>>383273562
Sick of this shit, conquest has an amount of good maps I can count on one hand and all the final maps while you're invading Hoshido are terrible.

>>383273705
>I guess otaku in Japan are just as triggered about girls working in video games as /v/ is.
FUCK YOU, fuck you, just fuck you, how can you look at all the fucking evidence and go 'you're just all sexist'

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>>383272417
>Echoes
>old formula

>>383273154
>actually falling for scapegoating
(lol

>>383273751
t. nufe fag who desperately wants his shit-tier section of the franchise to be the only section
go whale for your waifu some more, please

>>383273202
>Compare that to awakening or fates where i have hundreds of reclassing options, dozens of characters
I can't really say the same for Fates because I haven't played it, but Awakening had much less replayablity than other FE games despite all those options. Reclassing killed unit variety and only a certain few classes and skills had any worth. The only thing that mattered were assassins, heroes and sorcerers with galeforce and other broken skills.

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>>383273698
There's no way a chick designed Conquest's maps. That's how I know OP if full of shit.

So will this actually spread like aids now?

>>383273938
Women are a corrosive influence on video games, I believe with 100% certainty, that this is all her fault, in addition to the shifting of actual games to thinly valued pyramid schemes for shitty, over designed, pointlessly expensive phones with too many pointless add ons

>>383271420
>conquest is the good one
when will this meme die? it alone is the worst game in the series

>>383272417
Echoes is the Zelda 2 of FE, it has barely anything in common with any other game in the series. Suprisingly enough, the game it has the most in common with in terms of actual gameplay is Awakening.

>graduates from university
>cant beat a old fire emblem game
but seriously, if Awakening wasn't piss easy and didnt have sonic and knuckles tier characters the same 2000 players would have bought it and the franchise would have died or stayed in the shadows
now its a flagship for nintendo which has nothing else going for it in the last several years
if you like nintendo or FE, thank this retard instead of bashing her

>>383273547
>nowi also isn't even that good due to being slow
Nowi is by far one of the best units in Awakening due to her high bulk, 1-2 range, and doesn't have speed problems considering that right when she joins you, she has the potential to get +7 speed from Gregor or Lonqu thanks to tonics. She also joins you at a low level and gets exp very fast, especially once you second seal her at level 30.

And no, low manning is just as effective in every FE game since most FE games don't even require you to gain stats, hence dumping exp into a small amount of units works out better for you just so that those few OP units can break the game faster for you.

>You also can't just span end turn to win
Except you pretty much can. That's why enemy phase has historically been more important than player phase, contributing to why Archers suck.

>>383274003
>Awakening had much less replayablity than other FE games
This is some pretty good bait.

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>>383274092
>Suprisingly enough, the game it has the most in common with in terms of actual gameplay is Awakening.
What do they have in common other than the shit-tier maps?

>>383274091
MUH DEEP MECHANICS
There's a copypasta floating around wherein the AI is glorified for doing what the AI in Fire Emblem always does and ganging up on an isolated unit. Conquestfags are delusional.

>>383273756
The hoshido maps are among the best in the game you filthy casual. Great wall of Takumi and ryoma's ninja rape hallways were excellent

CQ had excellent gameplay not only due to its maps but due to its mechanics. It had several 10/10 maps (the defend map, the gold-stealing map, ninja rape cave), but even its average maps were great because they all benefited from CQ's great design. Dangerous enemies with skills, difficult but fair difficulty, intelligent AI, pair-up mechanics, anti-juggernauting, wide range of customization, etc. - these turn even mediocre maps memorable.

>>383274117
I should be thankful for a shitty game?
Do I LOOK American to you?

>>383274117
The XX killed the integrity and dignity of the series rather than preserving it. I'd rather let FE die with grace than let XXs whore it out as they whore themselves out.

>>383263442
>There are still people at Intelligent Systems that can develop a good Fire Emblem game, as Shadows of Valentia demonstrates
Echoes sucks though. More so than Awakening and Fates. Fucking nobody liked it.
This is where your little narrative dies.

>>383274148
>Nowi
>Good

Hahahaha

Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh harder. HAHAHAHA

>Second sealing her at 30 instead of 10
>Has a shitty set of reclasses
>Can't get Galeforce

Nowi is low tier, anon.

>>383274082
then you are completely fucking retarded if you actually believe a graduate fresh out of college single-handedly ruined an entire game

>>383273878
>cast is small
>characters future are predetermined
>not interrupted unless by death of cast member
>very brief supports in tiny cast
>no control over reclassing (until DLC)
>SHIT MAPS
You have plenty of time to grind but for what? In Fates you could grind supports for class unlocks. There is nothing to do besides watch Alm and Cecila fall in love. The player has no reason to care or get involved.

>>383274337
Why not? She's a woman, that's practically their collective superpower.

>>383274242
It's cute how you fags ignore the actual important part of that pasta and argue strawmen.

>>383274302
Echoes sold well and there's nothing you can do about it, waifufag.
The ironic thing is that Echoes even does waifus better than Awakening and Fates.

>>383274304
You seem to be talking about post-game requirments whereas the other is talking about rushing through the story

>>383273562
I mean that the kids are bad due to only starting with C support in a game where Pair Up is helping lategame. They also join lategame. Do the math. Only the fliers are good. In addition, the maps for kids on all routes are dumbed down with no enemy skills as they didn't want BR players to deal with a challenge, resulting in an awkward difficulty curve where the maps go from easy as fuck to not worth it(Ignatius.)

>most of FE is RNG based

not really, most games can be done without any growth rates. The last thing you want is to make stuff that wasn't RNG before into timer stuff.

Pair Up isn't as busted as awakening, but still too good later on.

As for the last point, stuff like the child paralogues being made easier and my castle being dumb are the result of gamewide decisions made.

I've beaten Lunatic on all three routes and enjoy CQ, but feel that it coulda been better. As it is, Xander and Camilla are a bit too strong and units like Silas can't last until lategame, so strategies tend to be the same between playthroughs.

>>383274092
>>383273878
The thing is, it doesn't matter.

What matters is first impressions and when FE secondaries hear that it's a remake of an old game with small cast and no marriage/kids - BAM, no sale.

Ironically (and sadly), it's OK performance is probably due to riding off the coattails of Fates and Awakening...

>>383274242
lmao

you completely missed the point of that webm and analysis

CQhaters are so fucking retarded that it boggles my mind. I posted a webm and explicitly explained in detail why the AI is so great, and you retards still can't understand it and instead strawman the argument into oblivion

keep hitting targets you set up yourself. Maybe one day you'll find someone dumb enough to fall for it

>>383274304
>Manakete
>Shit
>Needing galeforce in the main game
The only retard is you. Nowi is top tier for a reason.

>>383274408
Echoes did old-FE level numbers in Japan, it's shit. Literally all its sales are derived from nu-fans buying it since it has Fire Emblem on the cover.

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>>383274395
>b-but they took advantage of pair-up

>>383274408
but if waifus are cancer and echoes does them better isn't echoes now the most cancerous FE?

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>>383273756
>People who rail on treehouse don't understand what the real issue is

You sure about that?

>>383263365
>was not involved with echoes
>is the best FE since Radiant Dawn

Fire this skank

>>383274408
it sold like shit compared to previous games

Fates/Awakening both had 500k+ sales
Echoes had ~150k

>b-but it's a 3DS bestseller
3DS is on the last of its lifespan and nothing new is coming out for it, I could take a shit on a CD and it'll make the bestseller list

We don't even have the full sales of Echoes in the West yet, why are you retards claiming it sold bad?

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>There will never be another Advance Wars because they can't find a way to shoehorn in relationships
It's almost as if IS can't do anything but pander anymore

>>383274167
Why would I ever want to play those boring maps again with a different flavor of the same old overpowered shit when I can play a FE that has actual balance and challenge? Getting to pick who fucks who isn't replayablity. It's just a boring grind to get those support levels up. And then after that it's just more grinding to get those kids to speed. The whole thing is just a slog.

>>383274472
Echoes sold better than Awakening did, even with the rampant pirating on 3DS

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>>383274723

>>383274236
flat maps and grinding, in escence.
>>383274257
>great wall
>fly to the top of the way in 3 turns and kill Takumi, ending the map
>Ryoma's chamber
kill with Corrin because MU are busted units
Conquest mechanics are the most boring shit too. It's choke points and turtle to win if you actually want to take your time, and dancers + MU and fliers if you want to rush.
Harbor defense is legitimately the best FE map though.
>>383274629
I specifically said their political ideas didn't matter, it's the fact that they get paided to change things in the first place. I'd be the same shit if they were ultra conservative and removed Niles and NuTharja's gay routes in Fates.

>>383274148
on lunatic she can't catch up at all. She dies to enemies in her join map

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>>383274723
>sold so badly they didn't even release sales numbers
>couldn't even broke 200k in Japan
>sold better than Awakening did
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>383274673
Because given how successful FE has been as of late, especially when factoring in Heroes, it sold worse than the DS titles.

In the west, it sold well comparative to other 3DS games that have come out this year, but it certainly didn't sell as well as Awakening or Fates as we would have heard about it by now like we did with Awakening and Fates.

>>383274801
>using LTC strats as typical gameplay
(lol

dark s

>>383274673
Because in order to justify their gachashit and dating sim faggotry they feel they have to pretend that a good game didn't sell as well because it didn't include those elements.
Compare to CQ which is also fairly good but it has waifus so they pretend it's the pinnacle of the series.

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>>383274723
I'm sorry for your loss.

>>383274408
>>383274472
>>383274515
>Echoes did really well/badly
>Nobody posts numbers
hmmm

>>383274483
>the A.I. used a freeze staff on the only unit in their range, and they used an archer to do effective damage against the flyer which I stupidly left in danger.
Groundbreaking

>>383274408
It did not sell well however, it sold well the way its inital stock may moved out the door some, but its numbers are paltry in comparison to other fes ans other 3ds games overrall

>>383274917
>Echoes
>good game
AHAHAHAHAH

>>383274805
I've used Nowi in Lunatic. She can easily get out of her join chapter at level 5 and contribute to killing enemies in the chapter, notably mages and Cavaliers since she can attack at range.

If she gets a point of speed, she can then easily ORKO archers in paralogue 4.

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>>383274801
Fucked up the formatting on that post hard, I need to go to sleep.
>>383274880
hey, it's what I was doing by the end of my first playthrough just to get it over with.

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>>383274939
read it again. You're a big boy, I'm sure you'll understand it this time

Here's a snippet of the AI:

1. General moves into support range. He still isn't in attack range of Camilla, but this allows him to utilize attack stance.
2. Bow Knight moves to attack Camilla using General in attack stance. The arrow misses, but the General's support attack hits (this is VERY important).
3. Upon realizing Camilla survived an 84% OHKO, the Maid uses Freeze on her to lower her AVO for the next attack.
4. Paladin moves into melee range to attack Camilla, using the Bow Knight in #2 as a support partner. Notice the hit rates: 82% and 91% hit rates for lance/bow. Without Freeze, the hitrates would be 62% and 71%. Both attacks hit Camilla and kill her. Note that without the support attack from the General in #2, she would've lived.

In this single exchange, you have the AI utilizing bow advantage against archers, abusing attack stance three times (maximizing archer attacks), and dynamically using Freeze - all with perfect sequencing. If any of the 4 steps were not done correctly, Camilla would've very likely survived.

Conquest is a fucking work of art.

>>383274939
They can't post numbers yet because it'll reveal they're just shitposting. The most recent 3DS Sales only go up to May 20th and Echoes released May 19th. There's literally only numbers for one day of sales right now.

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>>383275045
>conquest is a work of art

>>383274801
>fly to the top of the way in 3 turns and kill Takumi, ending the map
This is an extremely inefficient strategy that requires lots of RNG abuse.

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>>383275045
>AI swarms a vulnerable unit
>SO DEEP!1

>>383274426
Know what makes rushing through the story faster? Speed and Galeforce. Neither of which Nowi has.

>>383274512
Manakete isn't a shitty class if you're Morgan or Gaius!Nah. But Nowi's speed is irredeemable. 3+7 is still only 10.

If you're trying to be efficient, Galeforce on a Falcoknight + Rescue on a paired up Galeforce team is how you 1 or 2 turn maps.

Nowi is low tier as a unit. High tier waifu, though.

>>383274939
You can check Media Create sales in Japan, Awakening and Fates both debuted at around 250-300k, Echoes barely went above 100k. Nintendo released sales PR for the NPD praising Awakening and Fates in their debut months, they neglected to mention Echoes at all.

>>383275045
the ai does this and then has all the enemies run straight into Xander.

Its really not that special,

>>383274805
Well then it's lucky she has 1-2 range.

>>383275045
Literally they used pair up.
Unlike Hexing rod and entrap, freeze staves don't have priority, and are done at random.

Not mention your whole point hinges on you being so retarded you make the enemy A.I look clever

>>383275045
How many times are you going to post this? I've been reporting you everytime and i'm never going to stop until you get banned

>>383275209
keep strawmanning

>>383275045
>enemy has an opportunity to kill one of your units
>enemy kills one of your units
Woah......this has never happened in any other Fire Emblem game before......

>>383275250
Nobody is going to be getting GF in the story except Cordelia and Sumia, maybe Cynthia if you get her early enough, but not hugely likely without grinding

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>>383274801
>great wall
>fly to the top of the way in 3 turns and kill Takumi, ending the map

I had a feeling that map would end up as a casual filter. You missed out by cheesing it.

>>383275353
Not a strawman. The AI does this in every Fire Emblem game, it's not a particularly astounding feat that they picked off a lone unit with effective damage.
Daily reminder that Conquest having unprecedented depth of gameplay is a meme created to justify liking a section of Fates for reasons other than muh waifu.

>>383272686
>3DS owners were in a drought
That implies the 3ds ever had water at that point

Two n64 remakes don't count

>>383263331
Considering what Baba did the Tales of series its understandable why people would be ready and willing to latch on a person that they can blame for the current games being shit.

What we really need is a timeframe of how long this woman was part of the development staff since she left school. If she was around since around 2010, with a good enough work ethic, its plausible for her to reach a high enough point to have a considerable effect on current games.

The only thing I didn't like about Awakening was how the reclass system made every character feel the same. Like what's the point of an archer when you can just reclass to a dark mage?

Another thing was the story, but most Fire Emblem stories are really bad and pretty much all play out the same.

>>383275651
It had Mario Kart 7 at least

>>383275462
>Promote Sumia at 10
>Feed her boss kills and other promoted enemies
>Get Galeforce by chapter 13 (especially easy from Gangrel map having promoted enemies and chapter 13's promoted enemies and triple Warrior reinforcements)
>Now you have Lucina with Galeforce
>Immediately grab Cynthia with Galeforce
>Have 3 Galeforce units by chapter 14

Simple as that, baby, every time.

>>383275882
>Like what's the point of an archer
Fire emblem in general lmao

>>383275257
Do you even play the game
Enemies in conquest specifically don't attack units they cant harm unless it's to lunge or debuff them for someone else

>>383276061
just make sure they do one damage, easy.

Even then, if they don't attack xander attacks on player phase.

tell me how arthur's supposed to be used past midgame. Seriously, Camilla/Corrin/Xander do ALL the combat later.

I played the game and liked it, but its not the best FE gameplaywise.

>>383276047
that will still take a huge lot of extra grinding ot get her to 25 won't it? Especially given the low exp yield in harder diificulties, and that Gangrel starts moving eventually

>>383275640
again, you are strawmanning. That's not the argument laid out at all. I can't explain it any more explicitly than I already have, especially when I summarized the argument in the post itself.

Stop strawmanning. This is my last (You) unless you prove you actually comprehend the point laid out in the webm. If I don't respond, you know you failed

>>383274697
It's lame excuse that's no better than what Miyamoto said about F-Zero. They just can't admit that they are too cheap to take the risk.

>>383276214
>How is Arthur meant to be used past mid-game
Rally str

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>>383263331
I just hate that the fanbase has become even more divided than before.
Sure, before we had all the old console players calling the GBA players newfags and such, but it was somewhat civil.
Now we have FEA/FEF/FEE fans killing themselves over trying to prop up their game as the best.
Every time a single one is mentioned, it's always mindless shitflinging.
You can't mention Awakening without being a retarded newfag. You can't mention Fates without being an apologist cuc k. You can't mention Echoes without being a blind nostalgiafag.
And none of them have overlap.
You're on one side or the other. If you say "I like X but Y more" you get "Fuck is wrong with you, Y was infinitely better than X, (copypasted list why)."
We have become worse than Metroidfags and Pokefags.

>>383275454
see>>383276310

>>383275286
they're not random. When I was doing CQ lunatic endgame, the maids used freeze the same way each time

>>383275257
some obeisance has to be made for player intelligence. The AI can't be perfect

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Fire Emblem has gotten more games in the past 5 years than F-Zero and Starfox have in over a decade.

Nintendo is reaching Microsoft levels of "rely on only a small amount of franchises"

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>>383276310
I don't want your (You)s or your approval, bitchboy, I just want you to know that your pasta is retarded and pretentious. Conquest is a middling FE game, the AI is bog-standard, and you glorify it because you didn't like it when oldfags called you a waifufag.
Enjoy aching to reply and not being able to.

>>383276214
>tell me how arthur's supposed to be used past midgame
Why is this suddenly an argument against conquest? This happens in every fucking game except FE4 and 5. Most early game units fall off hard without good growths and some are pure unusable. How's a unit like bors supposed to be used past earlygame in FE6 HM? Miledy/Perceval do ALL the combat later.

The fact that arthur helps early game is good enough, not all units need to be good throughout, and he plays an extremely strong role in ch10

>>383276461
wow that's real fun

>>383269036
Because the tease is a art

>>383275882
>People still bitch about Awakening's reclass system despite the fact that reclasses are based on personality traits
>No one bitches about Shadow Dragon's everyone can reclass into anything, or Fates' everyone to whoever they marry (or anything through Corrin)

Awakening did reclassing correctly. Kellam can become a Thief because he's so unnoticeable. He can't be a Dark Mage or Cavalier because it's not within his reclass set. Cordelia can reclass to Mercenary and Dark Mage so that she's able to use every type through reclass especially because she's a perfectionist. Ricken can become a Cavalier because he wants to be like Chrom (who also has Cavalier as a reclass). Henry can be a Barbarian and Thief because he's from Plegia. Everyone (other than kids) only has two other classes to reclass into.

>>383276219
It doesn't.

Source: I do this every playthrough so I don't have to grind Lucina as a Pegasus Knight.

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>>383269793
>Warmth is Gone
Why anon

Also I prefer Nohr's theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQvKw5U_MWg

>>383276670
>the AI is bog standard
You want to know why Benny is low tier? Because he gains so much defense the AI stops attacking him.

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>>383275639
what a fucking retard

>>383276689
>implying Zeiss, Shin, Rutger, Dieck, Klein(yes klein), Allance, and others don't do work either

The difference is that you want other units to do stuff like get chests and get the maps done fast to prevent missing Gaiden chapters

bors does suck though but saying the other game has the issue is a dumb argument. FE6 has more units overall, so while percentages may be the same there's much more variety in approaching FE6. Also CQ has no units join past Shura outside of two staffbots and worthless kids, making the lategame more stale as you likely stop changing up your team.

>>383270847
You're allowed to criticize people if they suck at their jobs...but not if they're a woman!

Well, at least a woman that falls in line

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>>383277137
Not him and I don't want to jump into your argument, but my Benny capped def and I could still send him in and the enemies would still attack him for 1 damage or less. Reminded me a lot of RD when I'd send out Gatrie, because I love armored units.

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Anna is best girl.

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So the japanese are saying there's only one person reponsible.
Shouldn't it be the company's fault for hiring an incompetent worker in the first place?

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>>383277105
>>Warmth is Gone
>Why anon
>Tfw played through Conquest first and loved Xander even though he is not as good as everyone says
>Still love him though
>Tfw getting to his chapter in Birthright
>Tfw his Speech right before he dies
Why did I cry so much over a video game character?

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>>383277137
So the fact that ISIS finally realized that having gorillions of monsters dash themselves against Seth wasn't good gameplay and added a "if expected_dmg=0; then fuck off" check means the AI is good?
What an argument.

>>383263331
>hiring women

I thought nintendo was smarter than that

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>>383271019
If it is true, it doesn't matter it it was a woman, a jew, Tyrone or a transdimentional space cock sucker, they ruined a game by casualising it to no end, Fate Conquests was the only one the at least tried to be hard, but the plot the setting was atrocious, even compare to Awakening. In AW you at least knew where you where and why you were there.

>>383277238
not even him, but there's always top-tier units and shit-tier units in FE. Corrin and the royals are top-tier, no shit, but every FE game in history has been structured like that

CQ actually gets bonus points because it discourages juggernauting

Why do FE fans hate their own series so much?
Or is it just that they feel the need to defend their favorites by attacking other ones in their series?
All the games in the series are varying degrees of acceptable and playable. Even the worse ones are still good enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JCzIWvoRMg
Best track in echoes.

>>383277780
Echoes had a divine OST.
Also they got a better english singer for some songs, which was nice.

>>383277771
It's like Sonic games, where the fanbase is divided between Genesis, Adventure, and Modern. The FE fanbase is now divided into Kaga games, GBA/Tellius games, and 3DS games.

>>383277543
I never argued that the AI was good or bad, just that it's not bog-standard.