Oddworld dev "Nintendo killed Iwata"

Hasn't it been like that almost since like the N64. Playstation and others always had more 3rd party support, even with N64 the games people really remember are Nintendo games, apart from a couple exceptions

>>383259428
>oddworld dev
>cant even properly compress files

>>383259564
They tried at least, that kept devs with Nintendo in mind when developing. Now Nintendo hardware is almost completely a Mario/Zelda machine and all third party content is low effort ports.

>>383259428
Which Oddworld Dev? Because that could be JAW or OWI technically.

If it's Lorne Lanning saying this you shouldn't take it seriously; for this one articulate paragraph there must be at least half a dozen others where he bitches and moans about conspiracies.

>>383259428
>similar level of success to Wii, Wii U
Well which is it? The difference is crazy

>>383259428

Nice source faget
>Wii had probably the most shovelware, but you'll consider that "3rd party support" even though it's knockoffs of knockoffs and ridiculously bad games.
>Over time, the average game has gotten worse in terms of quality, effort or value, so having any support from the rest of the industry is meaning less when you just talk about exclusive remasters and PC downports like PUBG
>Wii U sold extremely unwell, most likely because of the poor name choice. Innovation being encouraged with shit developers who often couldn't think of how to work close to the metal, let alone have a second screen or come up with a way to make use of it didn't even try, just looking at low sales for a first, convenient excuse
>Because the waggle, Shrek Kart, indian children entertainment tier garbage isn't present, Nintendo has "poor 3rd party support" (read: they aren't paying developers to do their fucking job and make games AND pay for their marketing campaigns as well)

What exactly is being debated here?

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>>383259428
>Thinking killed Iwata
Iwata died for completely different reasons, it's not like he had a brain aneurysm, he was incredibly sick. Fucking asshole.

Is he, as a game dev himself, really blaming Nintendo for a lack of third party support? Is he mad that Nintendo never sent him a request to make a game for the Wii U along with 10 million dollars attached?

>>383260970
Or didn't make the console attractive by focusing its development efforts on gimmick bullshit instead of hardware power, meaning the game you just made for all the current-gen consoles is unportable.

Which is a totally valid point, by the way. Game dev is expensive and if you AREN'T getting a check in the mail from Nintendo, there's no reason to develop a game exclusively for their system. But between the vast gulf in hardware performance the gimmicky input systems they always use, that's basically your only option. Either "multiplat except Nintendo" or "Ninty exclusive".

>>383259428
>"who else was making money aside from Nintendo?"
>implying that taking the blue ocean strategy is now considered greedy when it is succesful
What the fuck is this all about? Its the dev's own choice if they put their games on Nintendo systems, not Nintendo's choice. And they don't put it because they think it not worth the cost, meaning they are the greedy ones. If they want to share the profit then they have to make the same risks Nintendo is making.
The problem is that western devs, being the greedy fucks they are, think they can only sell their games through realistic graphics and not through good gameplay. So the fuck is this kind of argument?

Jealous jew asshole

>>383259428

When was the last time the oddworld devs did anything remotely relevant?

>>383261364

Y'know what also has terrible 3rd party support? PC
Why isn't anyone bitching at Valve to improve 3rd party support for all the toasters out there?

Basically not really relevant considering consoles only have power over Nintendo consoles and PC has much better power and performance over that. So actually, the only reason they're developing for consoles in the first place is the sweets Sony/MS give for them, including SDKs and E3 promotions.
Money saved in marketing and getting paid to develop for it. Meanwhile Nintendo doesn't have conferences anymore.
However, their indie support is generally fantastic and is a big improvement, especially compared to MS/Sony who have basically stopped giving any attention to. You probably don't see this because this marketing is handed out to consoles directly with articles and trailers included in the dashboard.

Honestly, it's the small voices like indie developers that are getting a great deal out of Nintendo's support that don't get any notice in the industry, only the bigger titles like Twitchbait PUBG gets any stage presence, and only because they're NOW porting to consoles. And these exact major voices are the ones bemoaning Nintendo - purely for not giving them money and stage presence with people who don't already have Nintendo consoles.

>>383259428
>Nintendo killed Iwata
>By the end of the life of the Wii, who else was making money aside from Nintendo?

What a fucking jackass.
Added to my list of dev videogames to avoid, right next to ubisoft for dumbass statements and actions.

>>383259428
He's just butthurt superior Japa characters got in instead of his goblin creature for Smash.

>>383259428
>Personally, I think it killed Iwata

I don't know go this idiot is,but he deserves a beating

>>383259428
This dude doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

The original Wii had loads of third party and not just shovelware. And the reason it had so much shovelware to begin with was because it was the last major console that was cheap and easy to develop for. But the console had loads of third party support from more respected companies like Square, Capcom, Sega, Natsume, Xseed, koei-tecmo, Bandai-Namco, etc. Aside from the games made and published by Nintendo themselves, there are probably 50 to 60 third party games actually worth playing on the system, not counting Japanese exclusives, which is impressive on any system. And because Nintendo did a good job marketing the system so it had a large install base, many third parties were willing to pay Nintendo extra money to put their games on the system.

The Wii U lost a lot of western third party support because many developers couldn't get the hang of its hardware and didn't see much of a point considering that it's install base was so small and also as mentioned Western devs are often shitheads who care more about presentation and making the most amount of casual bucks than creating new and fun ways to play. This had a lot to do with Nintendo of America's piss poor marketing of the system to many consumers who didn't even know it was a new console.

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>>383261364
>gimmick
lol stopped reading there.
try again

>>383259428
Lorne Lanning is a Trumptard, 1 step away from your average /pol/ shitter.
Who gives a fuck what he says?

>>383260528
I guess he's implying that the negativity at Nintendo only contributed to his sickness

>>383261669
Western devs have always been a double edged sword in the industry. While we have at times been a haven for innovation, many of the worst trends in gaming also began with us and most of the worst games and worst shovelware ever made by people looking to make a quick buck come from the west

Also, Iwata was sick for awhile, Nintendo didn't give him cancer

>>383262559

Hey, don't take this out on ma boi Abe.

>>383263036
>Trumpfag trying to talk shit about an industry and companies he knows nothing about and tries to cherry pick facts and memes to vainly prove his ignorant opinions

So he's /v/?

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Nintendo is literally not worth my time as long as this greedy fuck is running it. I hope he's a temp measure because of how abrupt Iwata's death was or this company is going to be up shit creek for several generations.

>>383263036

>random anonymous cucktard

Who should give a shit what YOU say?

>>383259873
I knew a guy from JAW, i can't see them bad mouthing industry practices, that was their first big team game and they aren't working on Soulstorm.

>Iwata died because he didn't have third party support
This is just disrespectful

>>383259428
>No source
Okay but even if there is, third party support didn't stop the Gamecube from coming in third place. Third party support is kind of this nebulous thing no one really knows how to make a real success. I think they're important, but they're a catch 22. No console sales means no third party support, no third party support means no console sales. The games we talk about on /v/ are rarely the mega hits we think they are. Ubisoft is a company that produces "phantom blockbusters," games that sell huge numbers but are rarely brought up in any discussion anywhere. These are the games the 60 million PS4 owners are buying.

I think the Switch will do alright. It's got Mario, Splatoon, and Zelda in its first, those are pretty strong sales right there. It'll get nice mid-budget third party support, which is a good thing. It feels like there are so few games released these days, because the cost of production is so high.

Also, Iwata died from fucking cancer.

>>383263548
I don't know anon, without third party support my health would be much worse.

>>383263597
>"phantom blockbusters," games that sell huge numbers but are rarely brought up in any discussion anywhere.
Like what?

>>383263548
>''no i want a Nintendo exclusive IV''

Is /v/ really unable to discern figures of speech?

>>383263597
>third party support didn't stop the Gamecube from coming in third place.
the Dreamcast not existing helped with that too
a 3rd place 120 million behind the PS2

>>383263670
Does a doctor count as third party?

>>383263756
Would you like to know what the two highest selling games of 2017 are? You've heard of them, but no one talked about them just a few days after release.

For Honor
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon

>>383263756
not that guy, but I suppose Watchdogs, Far Cry and Assassins Creed sell a lot. However, they're so samey and safe that barely anyone discusses them. If these games don't sell I'm full of shit ofc

>>383263783
Most people here never go outside and have no social skills.

>>383263783

Nope.

However, it is an incredibly poor choice of words.

>>383263783
True, but it was a really silly thing to say anyway

>>383264124
>>383264394
There's also the ultimate phantom blockbuster, The Division. Sold a shit load despite everyone saying it was crap. Disappeared into the night after one week of bitching.

>>383263421
What's the problem with Kimishima?
You can't say something like that, without explaining your reasons

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>>383263036
>someone voted for the wrong party, therefore all of his opinions are invalid
Hell of an echo chamber you must live in.

>>383265880
There's a difference between a mere difference in political opinion and literally being someone who voted for Trump. You can't pretend that was a legitimate execution of a normal political opinion. It shouldn't have been a choice between him and Hillary. Sane people voted one way, insane/ignorant people voted another.

>>383266275
I agree Trump is far too aggressive foreign policy-wise, we should have elected somebody who voted in favour of the Iraq war, and whose 2008 campaign pledge was to fuck up Iran so bad that Zack Snyder would be begging to buy the film rights off her.
Trump was also horribly anti-LGBT, so really we should have elected the woman who voted against gay marriage, because after she 180'd she immediately started selling gay marriage merchandise to profitise from it.
Trump was so dishonest he dodged the draft, not like Hillary who totally dodged sniper bullets.

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......awkward
https://twitter.com/OddworldInc/status/583539460912128000

How was New 'n' Tasty on the Wii U?
It probably got low sales on the system which is why he's not supporting the Switch

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>>383266275
Voting against someone instead of for someone is the quickest way to lose, especially when not everyone agrees with you

>>383259564
This is true, only difference is N64 and GameCube era saw way more first party titles and quality titles, to boot. Nowadays they shit out a 3DS Mario RPG title once every two years praying they'll hit 7/10 on IGN

>>383267451
>It probably
Nobody even knew it released, thats how bad it sold and it was also delayed a year later too. Why dude even wasted his time, especially since he mostly developed games for Playstation.

>Hasn't released a new game since 2007.
>Fucks up their remaster.
>Shills for SJW bullshit

>>383267816
To see if the Nintendo userbase would buy his games?

>>383262169
alright bro, I'll bite, steam is letting just about anything hit the shelves these days, I wanted to see if grimoire was on it and got about a dozen games related to that word, from dungeon crawlers to a detective game. how is this terrible 3rd party support?

>>383259428

Sorry your super late port came out when I had sold my Wii U, dude.

I really wanted New N Tasty on my Wii U, too. That sizzle real it shown up in on a direct had me hyped. I would have bought on it on Switch too.

>>383267332
>https://twitter.com/OddworldInc/status/583539460912128000

LOL he cucked out of Playstation All Stars for christs sake

I don't think he's saying he thinks it was literally the cause of Iwata's death, just like Scotty wasn't literally killing Ham in The Sandlot. Kind of an odd thing to even mention Iwata, but I don't think he's wrong about any of it. Nintendo consistently makes under-powered and hard-to-program for consoles, particularly their home ones.

Why? Because they don't need to care about power or 3rd party support. That little Italian guy is the best selling vidya franchise of all time, and he's theirs. Adults will buy Mario games because they either still like it or are hopeful that maybe the next game will be like it was when they were young, and their kids will want Mario games too. Pokemon is the 4th best selling vidya franchise of all time, and that's theirs. Now they've got "11/10 best game ever we don't need anymore open world games ever again" Breath of the Wild, too.

Nintendo could flat out make a console with no 3rd party support and only make Nintendo games and they'd still make money. How many of you bought a Switch just for BotW? Spent $360+ on a console and one game. How many of you bought Super Mega Mario Kart 8 even though you bought vanilla 8 on the WiiU? How many people are gonna buy Switch this holiday for Mario Odyssey? Nintendo as a company cares the least about gamers, they just want money.

Instead of whining about Nintendo making bank from their games out of envy because of his delayed butchered game, what he needs to do is make the switch to Switch to where there is actually an install base and try again.

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>>383260528

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>IWATA WAS AN INSIDE JOB

>>383264124
/v/ doesn't talk about anything that's actually popular. They only discuss indie and weebshit. You can't use this place as proof that "phantom blockbusters" exist.

Do they mean an original Oddworld Dev? I wouldn't take the opinion of someone who made the garbage remake seriously if that's what he worked on.

>>383262868
>It's install base was so small

Lol.

Third parties dropped Wii U before it even came out. Tons of big games that year skipped Wii U for no apparent reason.

>>383269289
>Dropped SU after Season 4 was utter shit
>Keep hearing this Inside Job shit involving the lawyers that look like boys but are really girls

I don't get it

>>383269578
Lorne Lanning.

Maybe I would listen to Lanning more if he wasn't a 90's hasbeen.

I agree the WiiU's and Switch's power were and will be a detriment to its third party support (unless Pokemon makes it sell enough to warrant more like the 3DS) but commenting on how it killed Iwata is just plain ass. Bile duct cancer and a flopped console have no correlation.

>>383262169
It's not Valves responsibility, just cause they own the largest game distribution service on PC doesn't make them the equivalent to Sony or Microsoft. Both of which are making small efforts to encompass PC gaming. PS Now and MS Store.

>>383269047
Did he okay?

>>383269440
Total bullshit. /v/ has eclectic discussion of popular normalfag shit like Overwatch and Zelda. Not even GAF or reddit have much discussion or debate over the quality of games like For Honor.

>>383260528
He didn't mean it literally. But yes, he's still an asshole, but assholes always have the most interesting shit to say.

Abe is a patrician's choice of platformers

>>383259845
Nintendo has consistently made their position upon shitty gimmicks and obsolete hardware from the Wii onwards, if not the DS. As a result the core video game market and its developers ran away in droves. They'll be lucky if they manage to retain their handheld customers with the Switch and 3DS; they're gimmicky shit and phones are leeching marketshare every day.

>>383259873
You're right. He was going on about how the reason for Switch using cartridges instead of discs was to control the manufacturing and take a premium from devs, also claiming that Nintendo was keeping people from pirating by using them, putting "Nintendo first." He also said that they were making devs spend extra time and money to fit games into the limited "RAM" on the cartridges.

>>383264124
For Honor was a thing here. However everyone realized the game was shit once you got gud enough.

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>>383270342
Most of the discussion about Overwatch on /v/ is just people swapping porn of the women in it.

/v/ will discuss your game if
>It has waifus
>It has lesbians or they can pretend it has lesbians
>If Nintendo made it or it's exclusive to Nintendo platforms
>If it's a JRPG
>If it's an indie Metroidvania or is otherwise similar to Nintendo games from their childhood(discussion will cease if the game gets too popular See:Undertale)
>If it was made in the 90's.

/v/ will not discuss your game if
>It's a western FPS
>It's a western game and it's too focused on story(the game can be saved if it has waifus or lesbians in it See: Life is Strange)
>It's too popular with the general populace and isn't a Nintendo game
>If it can be played competitively(Smash 4 and Melee are excluded from this, although /v/ typically only watches Melee as opposed to playing it)

"the switch will fail because Nintendo doesn't do the marketing for my game for me"

>>383269731
>no apparent reason.

there's a reason, the Wii U was garbage and the playerbase doesn't buy 3rd party games without Nintendo fanservice.

>>383269731
That fucking Rayman delay

>>383270970
>If it's a JRPG
Depends on the dev. /v/ hardly ever mentions Furyu, Sting, and other devs of a similar level.

>>383270970
>It's a western game and it's too focused on story
We've had pretty in depth discussions on Naughty Dog's narratives that aren't just decrying their games being narratively-focused in the first place.

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>>383269047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ymmKdwL7Xw

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>>383271012
>New 'n' Tasty came out on Wii U
I literally had no fucking idea.

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>>383271030
Or, you know, because third party devs always shit out the absolute worst ports, and there's a very clear stigma that has been made because of this.

>>383259428
>They started basically evaporating third-party support. We get to Wii U – same, no third-party support
He's a complete fucking moron and doesn't understand why this happened. Maybe Nintendo's consoles would have more third party games if third parties actually fucking made some beyond shitty cash-grabs and licensed garbage.

AAA development and the games third parties want to make aren't sustainable, period. He wants Nintendo to basically do exactly what Sony and MS did, sell expensive hardware at a loss and lose literal billions doing it.

The problem is bloated AAA third-party development, not hardware. Work within hardware limitations, stop focusing on stories and visuals and make more than focus-group tested schlock for the lowest common denominator. Third parties can't sustain themselves on anything less than their bloated AAA blockbusters that focus on story and appeal to as wide an audience as possible, THIS is the problem, not that the fact that Nintendo actually wants to make money selling their shit and doesn't want to sell hardware at a massive loss.

didn't he die from stomach cancer?

It's amazing that some of you retards think you he meant it actually killed him.

If someone says man I want to fuck that girl so bad it's killing me. Do you think they are actually going to die?

No, what he said was

>Personally I think it really bothered Iwata

>>383272068
>"The thinking has to change. The biggest problem I see at Nintendo is the thinking. Personally, I think it killed Iwata; that he couldn't move the organisation into a really successful arena."
No, he literally said he thought it killed Iwata.

>>383272068
yeah he was totally speaking figuratively when he said nintendo killed that literally dead person dude

>>383268146

GOG and Steam have pretty much identical content these days. I'm beginning to wonder why I bother keeping both accounts?

His comments about why he thought Nintendo were using cartridges instead of discs was absolutely retarded.
He claimed they weren't using discs to "prevent piracy and control production" when they've been doing that even when they've used discs.
Does this fucking idiot actually think using discs in a console designed to be played on the go is a good idea?
He was right about one or two other points but he also said some pretty retarded shit.

>>383269783
dont trust the government

>>383271436
>release game with barely any marketing
>sales hardly go anywhere
>put out a port on a different platform over a year later with no marketing
>sit there with your thumb up your ass wondering why it bombed harder than the fat man hitting nagasaki

I'm stumped too

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>>383273196
He's seriously clueless. He just said "irrelevant" and burst into laughter when the portability was brought up. He was also trying to say that the Switch has 2 GB of RAM.

>>383267451
Long loading times, lots of bugs, off-screen play was handled in the most lazy way possible (and the cut scenes wouldn't even play sound through the gamepad) and it ran like ass.
Oh yeah, and it came out a year and a half later than all other platforms. All in all, it was pretty much like EAs Wii U "support".
I was one of the few people who bought it.

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>>383271641
>sold 10$ more higher
>more higher

boy, you sure are the retardest person on /v/

also not to defend the WiiU, but many of those missing features are hardly worth mentioning

>no DLC
>the online multiplayer for arkham origins

>>383259428
>nintendo making more money from software sales than anyone else on their consoles
>not in a "successful arena"
this guy is fucking stupid

>>383260970
>>383261364
He made a Unity game, which was ported to the Wii U and marketed fairly well by Nintendo through the E-Shop and Nindie stuff.

It's that New 'n Tasty was shit is all.
>>383263208
>While we have at times been a haven for innovation
>we
What did he mean by this?

>>383273885
>He just said "irrelevant" and burst into laughter when the portability was brought up.
What a fucking idiot. That is incredibly relevant.

>>383264124
>Siege and For Honor
http://steamspy.com/app/578080
>4.3 million
Siege does beat it out even without Xbone sale I'm amazed it's broken 4.6 million actually

>>383270970
We had a pretty decent CoD thread the other day surprisingly.

>>383259564
It's really just Nintendo slipping up in a few key areas and a snowball effect.

The N64 was delayed, allowing the Playstation to launch first and take advantage of the vacuum (SEGA was eroding as a brand at the time). CDs could hold far more data than carts, and were cheaper to mass produce. When the PS took off, devs jumped ship and left Nintendo in the lurch. The PS2 was the same thing more or less minus the cart problem, instead it was a branding flop and the GC was deemed a kiddie toy.

The Wii suffered from shovelware out the ass and the inability to port games from PS3/360/PC due to weak hardware and the motion gimmick. The Wii U suffered from this exact same problem but didn't even get shovelware since it sold like piss.

Basically Nintendo will always be third rate to 3rd parties if they rely on their same "weaker hardware but unique gimmick" approack

>>383269047
>mourning for fucking iwata
>crying that hard
what the fuc-
>notices the collection of Wii games behind him

no wonder, only a fucking idiot would own more than 10 Wii games because that's the amount of games that's actually worthwhile on that junk of a console.

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>>383260528
I've never seen a picture of him where he actually looked sick. Poor guy. I wish he could've made it long enough to see that the Switch is doing well instead of him dying in the middle of the Wii U's failure.

>>383275621
That's not how it works.

>>383275621
>Basically Nintendo will always be third rate to 3rd parties if they rely on their same "weaker hardware but unique gimmick" approack

and nintenddrones will keep on defending it because it has first party games.

>>383275932
It was just a little while after that terrible 2015 E3 conference no one liked too.

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>>383260528
Psychology/mentality affects your body too

>>383275936
That's more or less it. Why do people not buy it? Because EA/Ubishit/Activision don't release the latest garbage triple AAA games on it. Or if they do, its a bogged down version.

>>383276223
shhh, you do know autistic manchildren has a hard time grasping metaphors.

Make a new game you lazy cunt.

Why would you make games on Switch when the PS4 is stronger and has sold 30x as much?

>>383271641
Wii U was a mess, but I hate how un educated that image is.

>Asscreed III had all it's DLC on Wii U
>Batham Organs Wii U had all the DLC except Cold Cold Heart
>NG3: Razor's Edge had a few frame rate dips, but no actual bugs

>>383271641
>Or, you know, because third party devs always shit out the absolute worst ports

surely it's not because of the Wii U's inherent inferior hardware and the fact that they had to integrate the retarded ipad gimmick when porting the games right?

I don't know how you nintenndrones can talk shit on how PS3 has all the bullshit surrounding it that makes porting games for it difficult when the Wii U exists.

Nintenbros so ass mad. Can smell their dirty diapers from here

>>383259682
>wanting compressed blocky shit graphics instead of crisp clean 4K
kys

>>383260373
I tend to agree that devs are lazy, but asking people to give up their own visions just to cater to your outdated system is fucking bullshit.

And this...
>have a second screen or come up with a way to make use of it didn't even try
Fuck that. Two screen play is cancer, I'm glad that shit is dying. It brings no fucking benefit to anything that a higher resolution couldn't already bring.

>>383263208
That's because the western mentality and "business first" ideal literally poisons the mind in the west. We only """"innovate"""" at making cancerous new ways to fuck the customer. We don't innovate in good gameplay.

>>383269047
Who is that?

>Wagglan or similar forced mechanic
>Scrawny specs
>Vastly inferior online features
This is the company that thought the Wii U would sell 100 MILLION units just because the Wii did and requires a mobile phone app just to use voice chat

>>383277768
>Two screen play is cancer, I'm glad that shit is dying.

I might be biased on this but I still love the NDSL very much, sure the 2 screens isn't always used by certain developers but they were great when were used properly.

But I agree to your post, at least the NDS was easy to develop and require significantly less manpower to makes games on it, you don't pull the same shit on a "real console" that already has inferior hardware to begin with.

>>383262874
He's right. I mean, lament the truth all you want, but it will be the prime reason you will hear for games not coming out. Capcom already basically said this with MHW and how "current gen power has allowed us to realize our vision" and then proceeding to leave out the Switch in that vision. It's not that the Switch is underpowered, it's that it's too underpowered to port to unless you release those indie non-games.

>>383277768
>Two screen play is cancer, I'm glad that shit is dying. It brings no fucking benefit to anything that a higher resolution couldn't already bring
I disagree, it's great for handhelds imo handling maps/inventory/etc. is much better on a second screen than having to pop up a menu everytime you want to check on something

>>383262169
Valve doesn't own PC like Nintendo owns Switch. Therefore it's not Valve's responsibility to get people on PC. And honestly, you're comparing a platform that's piss easy to port to (especially given console's x86) to Nintendo, which is still using funky builds that require more effort to port to.

With PC it literally is a fact of lazy devs, because the hardware and specifications are innately the same. It's just a matter of memory allocation, where PC has a stronger CPU and Memory RAM thus doesn't need all the VRAM, but devs don't bother to make the difference. With Switch it's just about not having enough resources so they have to basically do twice the work and not only recode portions of the game, but also mess with half of the assets and lighting systems to make it work on Switch.

He's right. I can't think of game for a recent nintendo system that wasn't made by nintendo or smartphone level shovelware

Look around people at >>383268412

As you can see not a single response. Why? Because someone actually presented a legitimate and eloquently put honest to god accurate criticism of Nintendo. And those faggot Nintenbros will never admit it.

>>383260528
holy shit when was this pic taken? he clearly looks sick in this

>>383259428
Bitter old has-been angry about other peoples' success. He does this with every new thing that gets popular. Ignore him.

>>383271641
Agreed.
>No DLC on most games
Oh no, the poor devs. They had to actually release a full game on Wii U. Oh the horror. Yeah, devs are just a shit.

>>383278859
why would they? It's pretty much praising nintendo by saying they have the best selling franchises

is kimishima part of the yakuza?

>>383278859
read >>383279034 >>383260970

everybody sane has given up trying to reason to these people, sure there has been time where lazy devs are a legitimate issue but when several studios suffered the same problems you would have to be an absolute idiot or a diehard drone not to admit to the issue.

>>383278640
I disagree with that notion. I'd rather have something like PSVita or Nvidia Shield with a larger screen and resolution. But I can see how someone might like that.

On a console though? Get the fuck outta here, Nintendo.

>>383259428
Nintendo LITERALLY murdered Iwata, for going ahead with the Switch after being given a direct order to make a PC-based 'console' like PS4/Xbone.

They murdered Gunpei Yokoi for leaving the company to create a competitor device (after they had forcibly retired him to a 'window seat' position for the failure of the Virtual Boy), which they believed he had the potential to guide to becoming an ACTUAL challenger to their Gameboy line.\

They are Yakuza company. They are organized crime.

>>383276163
>after that terrible 2015 E3 conference no one liked

Well, which was precisely because he wasn't around.
2014 was an amazing E3 for Nintendo and him.

>>383279298
So what you're saying is that it's a textbook example of Nintenbro selective reading. I see.

This is what they actually unironically believe folks.

>>383259428
Source?

>>383271641

could have at least explained what was "bugged" for each of those games. that shit tells people absolutely nothing. also this looks like it was typed out by a 8 year old.

>>383273181

>GOG and Steam have pretty much identical content these days.

loool no.

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>>383268412
I'll admit, I'm just spitballing here, but it kinda feels like a catch-22 situation.
Sony and Microsoft are both general electronics manufacturers (Sony: Electronics, Mircrosoft). As far as I'm aware, Nintendo does not do general electronics. Add in the fact the fact that the Gamecube was apparently the loser of its generation. The Wii and the DS, on the other hand, received plenty of Third-party support (not all of it good, but still). Even in interviews, the companies have (publicly) stated that their "ideal" set up is Wii U/Switch + PS4/XBone. How would Nintendo building a higher powered console sway gamers from the other consoles, especially since Nintendo is generally seen as kiddy? What's the point of Third-party exclusives if they end up like the Wii U's and get ported over to the other consoles a few months or a year later?
Nintendo could always go third party, but look at what happened to pretty much every Sega franchise not named Sonic.

>>383259428
Iwata was

>against mobile shit, saying if they made mobile apps they would literally "stop being Nintendo" at that point
>provided decades of godtier QA, programming, advice and consultation on practically everything happening in the entire company
>had his hands in nearly every major hit or classic the company ever made
>supported fanworks and publicly endorsed any fan content made "out of love for Nintendo", which he felt should be celebrated and NOT attacked if they weren't profiting from it
>was the primary mentor and motivator for several of nintendo's most well-known game directors, like Sakurai
>called himself a gamer first and a boss second
>his last public statement was a sad apology for their poor E3 showing

It's mega fucked up too cuz he was recovering, he even did a Direct (although he looked pretty sick), and then out of nowhere after they said he was in the clear, it came back and killed him.

>>383280659
>but look at what happened to pretty much every Sega franchise not named Sonic

That's Sega's own fault, Sonic is not a game with "good" gameplay and is only held up to become the thing it is today because of the (literally) autistic fanbase. I think everyone even outside of rabid nintendr ones can agree that Nintendo will fare much better than Sega if it does went 3rd party purely because of the brand recognition from its franchises (i.e. Zelda, Star Fox, Metroid)

How many people can name Sega franchises outside of Sonic?

>>383278859
It's not a very well thought-out criticism. Lanning was talking complete nonsense about the Switch, getting even basic facts about it wrong and willfully ignoring its portability. Arguments like "Nintendo will always have effortless success because of its franchises" do not hold any more after the Wii U, and there's no basis in saying that Nintendo "just wants money" as if it makes them different from the other companies. They all want money.

Nintendo's reaching out to third-parties now more than they ever have. They funded Bayonetta 2's development. They're forming partnerships all over the place, even letting Ubisoft do a project with Mario. They took Capcom's input in developing the Switch's specs to their liking. They give third-parties and indie games coverage in Nintendo Direct. How much are they supposed to do for them?

>>383280942
every one of these achievements are nullified by one single console in which Iwata plays a major part in

>Wii

also
>cuz

>>383280942
Is he the Steve Jobs of Nintendo? Dies and they immediately ignore his ideals?

>>383259428
>>The thinking has to change.
it really doesn't
there's nothing wrong with owning multiple platforms

buy nintendo home consoles for first party, buy nintendo handhelds for third party, buy a pc or a laptopconsole for third party multiplats

>>383281454
No because Iwata wasn't really an asshole to those he was close to. At least for what we know

>>383281454
>Steve Jobs
>ideals
LOL

>>383281287
The Wii made Nintendo bajillions of dollars and they could have cruised on that money for like 50 fucking years, they shot themselves in the foot by giving away a mini TV with every console and then not knowing what to market the thing as.

They should have focused more on how it would play like 85% of their classic library, they could have sold off the rest of their stock just by focusing fully on VC for a year maybe and getting as much of their backlog onto it as they could, and calling it a "nintendo legacy console that plays everything!"

just seems like they wasted a decent ROM dispenser

>>383271641
There was a Wii U port of Black Flag, Sniper Elite V2, Injustice, CoD Dogs and AC4?
I had no clue.

>>383281734
>duuhh ideals means nice right?

>>383281024
> I think everyone even outside of rabid nintendr ones can agree that Nintendo will fare much better than Sega if it does went 3rd party purely because of the brand recognition from its franchises (i.e. Zelda, Star Fox, Metroid)
I think the fear is that Nintendo would start playing much more safe with what games they put out (I mean, they already are arguably, but to the point that nothing outside of the big franchises gets anything)

>>383281108
Too little, too late and devs still bummed about the hardware?
Stories of porting to the Switch seem inconsistent, from what I've seen.

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>>383262169
>Y'know what also has terrible 3rd party support? PC

>>383275621
The N64 and NGC were both more powerful than their Sony competition.

>>383281717
Being in a Japanese company, he didn't have to be an asshole to get his way.

>>383281454
In a certain sense, sure-- he was the face of the company for a while there. It was really messed up, they ended up signing with DeNA, he was dying, and the company was having a couple of their worst fiscal years ever due to Wii U and Year of Luigi didn't help in the slightest.

>>383259428
What the fuck is Odd world? Like anyone cares what some indieshit literally who dev says.

>>383282462
Abe's Oddysee?

>>383281879
Capcom and NIS were reportedly able to get their engines rolling on it very quickly. NIS in particular say that the Switch will be an important target platform for them going forward. The dev of Rocket League said it ended up surprisingly smooth and discovered things that "made the game perform incredibly." Gust ported Nights of Azure 2 to Switch, and they're nearly unheard of on Nintendo platforms. These third-party horror stories are largely coming from obscure sources, some of which have never even touched a dev kit.

>>383281734
>ignore his ideals
Nah, they are still overcharging for products that force you into a walled garden.
The difference is that they are not necessarily ahead of the pack anymore.

Jobs died just in time to avoid responsibility.

>>383282462
I can't tell if this is ironic shitposting or a kid who wasn't old enough to know what Oddworld is

Even if the devs are obviously incompetent dicks. Oddworld Quintology my ass

>>383283236
Reading about all their plans in the Abe's Oddysee manual was hella cool
Also the Art of Oddworld book is a super neat read, since the people behind the art direction at old oddworld inhabitants really knew what the fuck they were doing

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>Make a bad WiiU port
>It inevitably does not sell
>Get all upset and blustery when somebody mentions the Switch in an interview
I hate the Switch and this guy sounds like a total faggot.

>>383259428
Iwata killed Nintendo, not the other way around.

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It's like this with every modern Nintendo home console
The first year people keep talking about how this one does have third party support(this started after the gamecube)
Then the second year people will be raving about those 5-10 exclusives its getting and HOW THE FUCK DID YOU NOT BUY IT YET.
The third year there are barely any third party games and the release schedule becomes a wasteland again.

>>383283725
That sounds like thinking. Could be fatal.

>>383282789
>NIS in particular say that the Switch will be an important target platform for them going forward.
They better fucking port Cladun.

>>383283725
kill yourself you dumb fucking ninten drone bitch

>>383281951
No PC exclusive game in the past 10-15 years has been a household name, or had the same sort renown and recognition that many, many console games have had in that same time span. PC users are the loudest, whiniest, most entitled out of the entire gaming scene, which is hilarious because they're also the most utterly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. They're a dying relic and will die entirely in the next 10-20 years, if not sooner.

PC game development has all but died, and the only games PCfats have to look forward to are the tiny handful of budget-tier titles from no name devs that are still PC exclusive being sold for full price, mobile ports, illegally emulated console games, and, most of all, console ports, which is what they really, REALLY want, to the point where anytime a notable console game is brought up, they storm threads with portbegging and general faggotry.

Don't forget the hilariously cringe petitions that absolutely no one of any importance, let alone game publishers, many of which who have come to regard PC users as an unacceptable financial risk and who are forced to use extreme DRM measures to make sure their port sells even a fraction of what it cost to port.

Even when they buy games, they still find a way to effectively steal. Many won't even bother buying until it's on sale for deep discounts years later, or buy keys from shady as fuck third parties who get all their keys through underhanded, most likely illegal means that fuck the publishers even worse than straight piracy.

And again, much of this is over console ports. PCfats are so starved for games that they beg and plead and whine to be allowed the privilege of playing the games everyone else except them gets to have.

Don't fall for the PC gaming meme. Get a cheap $100 laptop for the things a PC is meant for (hint: not games) and get a PS4 for actual gaming.

He doesn't have faith in it as a third party developer but the Wii was by no means a "failure". It may have failed the third parties late in the game, but I highly doubt that Nintendo was upset because they were "the only ones making money" off of their own product 100m units sold later.

>>383280650
OK, so whats on Steam that isn't on GOG? What's on GOG that isn't on Steam?

Serious question.

>>383281734
you notice how since jobs died, hardly anyone talks about apple at all?

>Oddworld dev acting like they're even remotely relevant anymore
>stating the obvious that everyone has known for a long time
How many times can this dead horse be beaten? Yes, we know Nintendo always fucks itself with third party. Do they care? Who knows and it doesn't matter at this point because they've dug themselves a trench with their image that they're not going to climb out of any time soon if at all.

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>>383259428
>no one cares about Oddworld
>Lorne Lanning rightfully talks shit about how underpowered the Switch is, and how unfriendly Nintendo is with third parties
>"OMG /OURGUY/ NINTENDO BTFO"