What went wrong?

>>383258554
Nothing? I guess. I mean it was my first FO game and it was good.

They only read the wikipedia article instead of playing the previous games,

>>383258730
This is the best kind of bait because it's what most of us here thought before we came here.

and aside the atrocious story and green shit, I did enjoy Fallout 3. Gunplay was terrible though, you can l i t e r a l l y see bullets trajectory .

FO was too cerebral for Nu-Bethesda so they fucked it up

>>383258554
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=27085

>>383258820
I enjoyed a lot FO3 the problem is I can't play it anymore it feels old and the controls works like shit.
Not even modding can fix that. Same as NV.
At least FO4 is still playable.

>>383258554
Nothing.
>>383258730
Nice falseflag.
>>383258868
>cerebral
>nu
spot the pretentious NVfag

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nothing, it has a cool and detailed world with lots to explore. Sure the story may be simple but i like it. Better than fallout bore vegas.

>>383259007

Don't even like New Vegas either, nice try though

>>383259132
>there's people out there that thinks this looks good

>>383259132
This.
Washington DC ruins full of SM and BOS Knights are better than the boring Mojave desert.

>>383259007
>muh NV
Literally the only thing Fallout 3 apologists can come up with. They are both shit. Deal with it.

>>383259132
Jesus fuck, I hope that is a bait screenshot

>>383258554
metro tunnels

>>383258554
A distinct lack of invisible wall and railroading you to follow the narrative.
Thankfully Obsidian understands people need direction not freedom in their games.

Who else /newvegasfirst/?

I tried to play 3 after and it bored me to death

I recently played it again and it's okay. Very easy, though. I made a stupid build centered on punching people to death with my bare hands and it somehow crushed everything and had me beating the main quest in 5 hours or so.

Bethesda sold their soul after the success of Morrowind (seems like Microsoft played the primary role of the Devil there), much of it's original talents left and the rest made Oblivion, a game with design philosophy akin to Michael Bay's approach to cinema direction. And since it ended up in unprecedented commercial success, they started applying that philosophy to their further products, including Fallout 3.

That is what happened. It's no mystery. It's just design philosophy completely and specifically aimed to appeal to retards. It paid off with Oblivion, so they saw no reason to change their approach. Appeal to most base sentiments, do everything in the least subtle, complicated, thoughtful way, design locations and quests around simple gimmicky concepts, think of a plot-gimmick before you actually start figuring out how that plot or quest makes any sense in any context, do the same with actual landscaping, take careful steps to distribute breadcrumb content close enough for people with ADHD to always have something to do at any moment in the game, cut corners of everything else, in particular writing, characters, animations, models and all that shit, because people don't really care about that. Add some of that sweet sweet CoD-like scripted action stuff and don't forget to frontload the experience as much as you can.
Done: a selling hit for new generation of retards is perfected. It really, really works.

>>383259132
That doesn't even look like it's from Fallout 3 - not without a mod at least. It looks more like S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

>>383259423
stop trying so hard to fit in

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>>383259294
ironically this, the best parts are running into the city with a full fire fight going on.

I recommend MMM for lots of new enemies and spawns, and brotherhood patrols, adds in 8 BOS patrols throughout the wasteland. And dc interiors is a must.
>>383259242
sorry mate, going for a "wasteland is coming back to life. A bit saturated to be fair.
Also "muh quest's", f3 has lots of quests mods so just shut the fuck up.

>>383259617
I can't believe it worked 4 more times or maybe I can believe it.

>>383259423
Yo same.
Although to be fair I found the mojave desert
boring at first. Went back to try again and it
grew on me.

Mods were dope too.

>>383258554
nothing really
just a super terrible main plot, slowest into in any game since dq7, and broken leveling system that allowed you to become a god

point lookout is still one of the best fodlcs

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>>383258554
I'm still playing FO3. It was my first FO and I still love it.

>>383258554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLJ1gyIzg78

Why don't people who prefer Fallout 3 just not play Fallout 4 instead? Isn't it the same but slightly better?

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have you ever seen...a tree?

>>383259910
What the fuck

>>383259827
Yeah I remember dropping the game for like a month or so after meeting yes man, but I returned to it and never stopped since

>>383260026
What happens?

>>383259617
>much of it's original talents left

By this do you mean that one crappy drug addict writer who is more interested in writing slashfic about his self insert than actually writing a compelling narrative that anyone other than lorefag morons who are easily impressed by plagiarism would care about?

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>>383259910
>we will never get fallout 3 remastered.

>>383258554
It's not an RPG, it's an open world shooter that was misleading

Your character's backstory is predetermined from the moment you're born; you're forced down a path of being Liam Neeson's child, hunting daddy down and doing him proud even after he dies by carrying out his work.

At the end, the 'bad guys' and the 'good guys' are both fighting over who gets to press the button to the water purifier - Colonel Autumn wasn't going to poison the purifier so what difference would it make? Poisoning it yourself and siding with President Eden has 0 reprecussions because there's no post-game and is ultimately a fallacy in terms of player freedom of siding with factions. There is no freedom in the storyline that makes logical sense - sure, you can go straight to the Vault where your dad is after you leave Vault 101, but how would your character know he's there?

The side missions are few and far between and have no real impact on the actual world apart from Three Dog saying you a naughty boy or a good goy. The karma system is pathetic because it omits any morally grey decisions in side quests - it's either 'do thing' or 'murder people or do opposite thing', there's no compromise.

Also the combat is wank, the enemy scaling is wank and the character dialogue is wank. The only good thing about Fallout 3 are the locations and the desolate atmosphere - which again doesn't make much sense because after 200 years, people are still resorting to scavenging food from abandoned supermarkets.

New Vegas did every single thing better, and that was a rushed game with a third of the content omitted

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>>383259696
>Marts mutant mod

>>383260081
He plays Fallout 3 and mods it

>>383260116
That's why I love the modding community.
FO3 "remastered" will be real but not thanks to Bethesda.
Same as Morrowind. I really wanna play Skywind.

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>>383260213
That's actually a bit of fallout 3 ported to skyrim with enb running

>>383258554
Not enough roleplaying. You're forced into a predefined character. You see his childhood, his life experiences, and you aren't allowed to change it. There's only 2 factions and one is obviously evil. It's more like a JRPG than a WRPG.

>>383260213
What about NV?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAJ4-03Bz84&t=4s

Just a reminder that 'atmosphere' doesn't mean shit when the world surrounding it doesn't make any fucking sense

>>383260120
Maybe you should stop getting your information from debunked macro images.

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>>383258554

>>383260120
ive probably collectively put around 2.5k hours into nv and it doesn't do everything better
>fo3 has a better overall world design and feel
>fo3 has a dlc which extends the game and gives old characters new dialogue options while new vegas dlc was always completely isolated
>bugs everywhere

>>383260421
none the fallout games have a world that makes any sense

fallout 3 thread #10, TODAY, about a decade after the game's release

new vegas fans just can't let it go, they can't accept that their normieshit tastes are not the center of the universe

fallout 3 is still the best bethesda game so far, and they simply can't accept that it did a few things better than a 'real' crpg like new vegas

>>383260120
>Your character's backstory is predetermined from the moment you're born; you're forced down a path of being Liam Neeson's child, hunting daddy down and doing him proud even after he dies by carrying out his work.
This is actually neither making it not-an-RPG (plenty of RPG's actually have predetermined character background and story), neither would be a bad thing on it's own.

The story is utterly stupid, sure. And offers little particular creative freedom. But neither of those make it not an RPG, really, either.

The real problem with Fo3 is not that it's not an RPG: it's just that it's bad. Really, really badly done. Badly written, badly directed, badly designed. It's lazy and caters to morons, it's completely uninventive and clunky and fails to deliver anything that would be satisfying on any level than the most superficial. But it is an RPG. Bad RPG with awful characters and bad ruleset and bad quests and terrible environments bad combat systems etc... but claiming that the problem is that it's not an RPG is completely missing the point.

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fallout 2 was so long ago that the writers absolutely had no idea wether or not they should continue the universe. the result is a universe that is a REFERENCE to the originals.

add to that the fact that they saw how oblivion was succesful but had no idea wether or not there still is an audience for a classic rpg experience, so really the devs had no reason to develop their gameplay in a meaningful way.

>>383260493
>fo3 has a better overall world design and feel
No, it does not.
The second point is valid. The third one not really, because New Vegas was just as bugged as Fo3 was on release, and both have been since fixed more-or-less to the same degree.

>>383260657
this
NMA is raiding or something

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New Vegas is irredeemable diherrea, both Fallout 3 and 4 are better

>tfw you can't play fallout 3 even if you wanted to

man fuck that game, shit crashes when loading into nearly every interior

>>383260752
Yes it does.
NV did a lot of things right, but exploration and atmosphere weren't one of them

>>383260716
fallout 2 came out so long ago that most of the people who played it are in their 50's or 60's now. people need to move on.

>>383260716
It was pretty respectful of them to shift the setting to the east coast to keep it as removed from the originals as possible, but they still managed to bumblefuck everything. It's pretty amazing actually.

>>383260891
>atmosphere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0

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>>383258554
Bethesda's writer Emile Plagiarlo (however you spell his name) did a shit job at writing the story. He's the result of the many loopholes found in both 3 and 4.
So here's what's wrong in my opinion.
Your character has a family and your age is set around 17, already restricting the RPG element (to a background story concept), there wasn't that much civilization
>MUH GREEN TINT
I didn't mind it however.
In the main quest, enter Vault 87 with the help of mere children who we don't even know how they survived for 200 years if they threw out all the adults. When you interact with the Enclave, instead of giving you a chance to side with the Enclave by giving the Colonel the code to the purifier, he just shoots you. Sorry pal, not this route. Basically get shoehorned into following the BOS and barely get to interact with the Enclave, thus restricting the RPG element once more. Story was too short, not a lot of weapons, anything besides the Shishkebab, Lincoln's Repeater, A3-21's Plasma Rifle, Sydney's SMG, Combat Shotgun, Sniper Rifle, and Xuanlong Rifle were crap (but I liked Ol' Painless). Apparel variety was bland too. Gunplay was crap, but I appreciated the lack of auto aim/aim assist. High level Wanderer's were a little too OP, especially with the right perks.
That all I can think. Feel free to add on.
Also, pic related.

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>>383260823
That's the spirit, anon! Todd can do no wrong!

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>>383261003
>Plagiarlo
>plagiarlo literally means ripping one off in spanish

There were no qt male companions.

Also, what is the point of putting giving the main character family members if you never interact with them save for a brief moment before they die?

That's weird. I'm used to seeing /v/ shitting on Bethesda night and day, but Fallout 3 is still a polarizing game somehow.

Is it because it was the first Fallout game many of you have played?

>>383260891
Have to agree with this anon. Invisible walls should not exist in modern game design. There are better ways to limit the player. The deathclaws, on the other hand, were a good way to funnel players toward a single location.

>>383260463
>if they did this decently, and been true to the cheesy 60's aesthetic, we'd have gotten a moment straight out of classic star trek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw3zzMWOIvk

>>383259948
Only gameplay, story is worse.
F3 has a, dare I say, nostalgic feel.

>>383260891
Awful meme. Terrible.

>>383260891
>NV did a lot of things right, but exploration and atmosphere weren't one of them

Fallout 3
>find cave with raiders in it
>kill and loot them for basic shit, maybe a skill book
>come back a few days later
>respawned and ready to be killed again

Fallout New Vegas
>go to jackal cave
>loot and kill them for basic shit and skill book
>come back a few days later
>settlers have moved in and there is now a merchant willing to sell shit to me

>>383260861
You have to make sure your system runs it on dual cores instead of quad or more cores. So what you do is, run the game, alt-tab, open task manager, goto details, right click the fallout 3 process, goto set affinity and make sure half of your cores are unchecked. You can google a batch file to do this for you automatically aswell.

>>383260493
>fo3 has a better overall world design and feel
Invisible rubble walls, metro tunnels, copy&paste houses, no farms anywhere, settlers live next door to super mutants/raiders
>fo3 has a dlc which [...] gives old characters new dialogue options while new vegas dlc was always completely isolated
This is the opposite what it did.
New Vegas DLC clarifies or adds important backstory to characters and the protagonist.
Father Elijah, the Burned Man, Ulysses, etc. all tie in with the main story. Whereas Broken Steel was just an apology for the awful default ending and the rest has no bearing on Fallout 3 or its residents.

>>383260752
there are still a couple that were never really fixed like ghomorra and the gold pipboy
it might just be that ive put in multiple thousands of hours, but i just feel like nv world is so much easier to cheese your way through than 3
>school safe stealth boy
>walk straight to grab ranger morales armor
>monorail into vegas
>break the casinos
>be level 5 or 6 and have like 42,500 caps

>>383261203
Butch Deloria is a cuteboy if ever I saw one

no homo

>>383260493
>FO3 has a better overall world design and feel
Not really, most of it is desolate and hostile - it would be a good setting for a survival game, but as a post-apocalypse setting over 5 generations later you'd think the settlements would be less isolated. NV has more memorable settlements, factions and areas.

>FO3 has a DLC which extends the game, new dialogue options
>implying FO3 dialogue isn't wank
>implying Broken Steel can make up for Mothership Zeta
>implying Point Lookout and The Pitt weren't dreadfully dull
>implying Anchorage wasn't a corridor

>NV is always completely isolated
NV dlc had a common tie throughout (Ulysses) and did link to the character's backstory; Lonesome Road brought in 2 new locations on the main map and gave ED-E character depth.

>>383261262
To be fair, trying to five the Courier a backstory is probably the worst thing about NV's DLC. I like a lot of it, but every time Ulysses tries to tell me my character has some sort of history with him and the Divide I have the urge to smack Sawyer in the face.

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>>383261203
>>383261345
Why do gays ruin every discussion?

>>383261003
I tried to explain all of those plot holes to someone and he told me to go back and replay 3 because I obviously wasn't paying attention to the details presented by the story. When I started citing the actual cutscenes he stopped responding.

Something about Fallout 3 just makes people braindead.

>>383261329
That's all on purpose, so players with experience can skip the route you normally have to take and get to more of the role-playing faster.

>>383261212
I played fo1 as a kid
I do find hilarious that people try to claim that its anything but the second worst game in the series, shits just awful.
fo2>nv>fo1>fo3

>>383261345
It sucks that you had to be Neutral to get him though. Bethesda should have made it so that he automatically joins if you saved his mom.

do you think new vegas fans do this for fun? not just making the threads, but also replying to them? is this the satisfaction they crave?

because the alternative is that they can't understand visual exploration, perhaps its a brain difference?

and even more incredibly, they don't understand that role playing is something that happens in the brain, not in the dialogue choices of the characters you're interacting with

>>383258554
got the steam version during summer sale for nostalgia purposes.

>Low level
>grinded way to point lookout DLC
>finish rooty-tooty-point-and-shootie simulation
>grab winter power armor
>sim gives you power armor training even tho ur simulation character doesn't use power armor
>now I'm a fucking walking impenetrable fortress and I can kill anything in the game without batting an eye

I pretty much ruined it for myself at this point. The game just plays itself now really.

>>383261740
>ever using power armor

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>Fallout 3/4
>Friendly civilians live a 30 second walk away from the bloodthirsty ass-rapers who decorate their territory with human guts

>>383261537
While it was a terrible thing for them to do, at least you can tell Ulysses to fuck off and deny it ever happened.

Better than
>are you synth
no
>whats your earliest memory
at home w/ wife and kid
>and thats all you remember ;)
not a synth
>if thats what you think I won't stop you ;)

>>383261625
Not gonna lie, I actually really like 3, but I saw the problems with it, and I see where you're coming from. Some people are just too close minded to actually take the red pill.

>>383261828
I wanted to do a big guns build this time around and I can't stand how doofy the player character looks with miniguns and shit. It looks much better with the power armor.

>Regulator coat is aesthetic as fuck tho

>>383260891
That is wrong. And it's not even a matter of personal preference: declaring that Fo3 has better world or atmosphere than New Vegas is like claiming that Da Vinci's Code is better written and more suspenseful than Foucault's Pendulum: it's flat out wrong, and the only reason why a lot of people prefer the former is because they are IDIOTS. It's really just that simple.

Fallout 3 is braindead. It has one of the worst world-designs ever featured in an RPG. It's completely stupid. It has no atmosphere for anyone who has actually fucking left his door, opened a book, watched a movie in his life. It has no detail, no subtlety, no internal logic, no symbolic structure to it, no mimesis.

Atmosphere is based on capacity to invoke meaningful and emotionally charged associations. If your entire horizon of experience goes to saturday morning cartoon then you might find Fallout 3 more appealing, because you are yourself probably braindead and unable to associate with anything, and then the cartoony, incredibly shallow and cheap "green because radiation, rubble because apocalypse means rubble" might work for you, but that is not actually a good thing: that just reflects poorly on you.

People who Fo3 for "atmosphere and world" are like people who enjoy characters in fucking Meyer or James novels despite them being cheap, shallow moronic puppets: they do it because they are clueless and lack any experience, standards or capacity to make reasonable judgements.

>>383261485
yeah it had a common tie through, but the fact the erica has no fucking reaction about the whole elijah thing aside from giving you that perk is fucking gay. Also anything you do in lonesomeroad only effects you reputation, you'd think people would be talking about the fact you nuked the ncr
Fo3 had alot more time for their dlcs so i don't blame the obsidian team.
>point lookout
>bad
nah nigga it was great. BMT on the other hand was shit

>>383261538
I'm not gay though. I said no homo. You must be stupid or something. Even if this were to be a gay conversation it was a fairly minor one that doesn't consist of many posts.

>>383261829
>Fallout 3/4
>People haven't dragged the 210 year old skeletons out of their house or shop

>>383261984
no, good (for me) is whatever I think is good

people like you invent pompous justifications for your preferences, because you secretly realize that the world is complex, and filled with a lot of people that you don't have much in common with

its so much easier to think of them as mental inferiors and servants, but it's also dangerous to do so

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What are the best adult, evil mods for Fallout 3?
I mean the stuff that lets you do really sick shit like buying and selling slaves, killing children, graphic prostitution, building a harem, committing genocide, all that good stuff

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>>383261829
Vault city in 2 was also by the raiders encampment

and novac was right in between an assload of viper raiders and ghouls

>>383261829
>Megaton
>Hate raiders and has zero tolerance for them allow you to decorate your home with ACTUAL human corpses and raider torture gear

>Tenpenny Tower
>High class hotel settlement also allow you to decorate your room with real human remains and raider gear

>>383261984
I don't understand people who claim that New Vegas lacks atmosphere. The entire story is about an exciting adventure on the frontiers of civilization while there's a big fight brewing between the major powers. The desert setting and all the wild west references are right at home and do a good job setting the tone.

I will say however that the world in Fallout 3 is more visually striking, which is probably why a lot of people still really like it. It's pretty basic in a vacuum, but it's not hard to look good when the competition is an actual barren desert.

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I just want a Fallout game that is set after the bombs drop but before the return of civilization.

>>383262012
Big Mountain was alright as a location, would've prefered some more NPCs to interact with - but my god, the Think Tank and your Brain has some of the best dialogue in any dlc

>>383262362
Vault City had large sand-crete walls surrounding the wealthy part of it

Ghouls moved into rocket place after Novac was formed and the Vipers wouldn't last 3 seconds against Boone/Manny, especially after what the NCR did to them

>>383262545
I heard fallout 3 was meant to take place 20 years after the bombs fell. The game makes a lot more sense after that

>>383262429
its probably because new vegas itself was a huge letdown with far too many walls and tons of do nothing stupid locations like ivampa dry lake and racetrack with no personality

>>383262429
the 30 degree mountain gradient on the train tracks made it feel cartoony coming out the gate

in fallout 3, a complete inspection of everything always revealed 'stuff,' some kind of doodad placement, visual stories, skeletons next to whatever killed them, etc. there were thousands of tiny visual stories everywhere

new vegas instead had 'nodes,' small areas, like the prison, that had a lot of detail added, but then between these nodes there was just open area with very few features. The travel areas were something that was done by one person over a short time, rather than being a major project to complete a single cell. It was never rewarding to look around in the emptiness

>>383262597
>Vipers wouldn't last 3 seconds against Boone/Manny, especially after what the NCR did to them

Seconding this, they got a 24/7 watch in a elevated watchpoint with one of the best snipers and spotters in the 1st berets

>>383262198
>no, good (for me) is whatever I think is good
Well, yeah. I said you were an idiot.

>its so much easier to think of them as mental inferiors and servants, but it's also dangerous to do so
Do you even realize the irony of what you just said.
"You don't admit to yourself that the world is complex. You are just close minded. Wise people like me realize that everything I say is actually true and everybody else is stupid."

Dude, it's because people like me realize the complexity of the world that drives us to challenge ourselves and make sense of it. Retards like you are just making excuses why you NEVER have to question or challenge your own fucking believes. Because understanding what makes a piece of fiction good is hard, and it might come with an unpleasant realization that not everything you personally like might really be worth appreciating:
That is why retards like you cling to absolute relativism: it allows you to be always right (or at least never wrong and never having to doubt or challenge yourself). It's the easiest way out.

You might think that looking down on other people and their taste is dangerous, and yeah, but then so is crossing the road. And actually NOT establishing any standards, actually having ZERO expectations and drive to challenge ourselves and surround ourselves with better, more intricate fiction: that is far more dangerous. Teaching people to be content with being stupid, that is one of the most dangerous things you can ever, ever fucking do.

>>383262579
don't get me wrong, the dialogue was god tier- but the gameplay was so beyond tedious and if you go there high level everything is a bullet sponge
>>383262597
fallout 3s had defenses too
>bridge/guards for rivet city
>officer weld and shit
even those fucks who wanted abe lincolns head were pretty well set up

the thing with 4 is they want you to build those defenses, which is tedious

>>383262891
cmon guy, an important rule of trolling is put LESS effort into it than the other person

>>383262762
>the 30 degree mountain gradient on the train tracks made it feel cartoony coming out the gate
my autism was also triggered by this

>>383258820
>tfw you realize that most of /v/ only started coming here way after Fallout 3 was released
FUCKING NEWFAGS GET OUT REEEEEEEE

>>383262958
The problem with Megaton's defenses though we're that Deputy Weld is a Protectron, and they aren't the best suited for combat. The only other guards they had were Sheriff Simms and the Sniper guy up top. Besides that, that's pretty much it.

>>383260463
you cant just go ahead and be bad silly computer. don't you want to be good?

>>383258554
still better than failout 4

>>383263219
There's also Jericho, though he's probably drunk and/or high off his ass most days.

>>383263219
well don't forget the walls and gate made of fucking aeronautics grade steel, far stronger than vault cities concrete

>>383262958
The settlement system is peak laziness by Bethesda
>should we have five settlements planned with unique qualities to each of them
>fuck that make the player build settlements if they want them

The soundtrack for Fallout 3 was better than the soundtrack for New Vegas.

>>383263471
absolutely not

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>>383263471
this is objectively true
also wayne newton>three nigger

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>>383260657
>this entire post

>>383263471
I liked both.

>>383263471
This is kinda 50/50
While F3 generally had better songs than FNV
NVs songs were tied to the themes of the game whereas 3s were just LOL 50s AND NUKES AMIRITE

>>383263543
>>383263574
it is 100%
but lets try something out; for people whove played all the games with the running radio, give me:
1. best new song in each game
2. songs you wish they'd kept from previous title or did in case of 3/4
3. rank the actually osts

>>383263471
i've got spurs that jingle jangle jingle

>>383262762
>in fallout 3, a complete inspection of everything always revealed 'stuff,' some kind of doodad placement, visual stories, skeletons next to whatever killed them
Actually, there is just this ONE story: the skeleton placed in a funny position because he died doing something funny.

That is it. That is literally the extent of fucking Fo3's visual storytelling.
Meanwhile, the game can't tell the most basic story of "where the fuck are we?". Ignoring the fact that it has absolutely zero fucking actual story of the landscape and the environment past the fucking bombs: no work, no communities, no politics, no tribes, no trade, no mining, NOTHING: it can't even establish most basic facts about what the city was like before the bombs.

We are talking about a game that can place: A METRO FUCKING STATION, a rural barn and a windmill and suburban one-story villa ALL RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER in a middle of a valley formed of giant boulders.
There is a barn but no place anywhere within a mile where a any fucking form of farmland could have been: there is a metro station but a suburbian villa and everything around else is wasteland. What kind of place is that shit? Is that suburbs? A fucking middle of a rural countryside? The center of the city?
The answer is: nobody cares, nobody knows, nobody thought about any of this. It's there because we need to throw in some assets where we can place more funny skeletons and leveled loot for the ADHD retards.

That is the fucking problem. People yap on about visual and environmental storytelling in fucking Fo3 but it has no environment! It actually can't establish any form of identity - much less any kind of narrativity - to any of it's landscapes.

Fo3 places shit densely for the sake of ADHD retards, so that they would never go more than a minute without some kind mindless, braindead mechanical reward for them. THAT MAKES TERRIBLE FUCKING ENVIRONMENTAL STORYTELLING.

>>383263373
>well don't forget the walls and gate made of fucking aeronautics grade steel, far stronger than vault cities concrete
Is... is this serious, or is this a joke?

>>383263906
I'd rather listen to the crappy sounds of their assault rifles than FO3 music

>>383262362
And Fallout 4 settlements are so close to raiders and/or super mutants that you can shoot them from there. The sewage plant is right beside pre-war ghoul raiders who have been raiding for over 200 years.

>>383258554
Lore rape and shit story.

>>383263574
>>383263543
You are clearly suffering from the New Vegas heat. Butcher Pete alone makes FO3's soundtrack better than New Vegas. And for a game that is set in what is basically Las Vegas how the hell can you explain them only having two songs from the Rat Pack? Fuckers couldn't even get My Way.

>>383264316
Don't forget they're next to Gunners, Mutants, and the occasional Mirelurk and Sentry Bot a few feet away.

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>>383261003
This screenshot is such a juvenile pretentious bait it's not even funny. Fallout 3 plot sucks ass, but literally every single point on that pic is wrong.

>>383264664
Butcher Pete is a 6/10, it can't carry the rest of that shitty OST.

>>383258554
It was made by a company that has no understanding of the first two fallout games or what made them good

there's nothing to actually do. its a bunch of "go to marker, receive reward, occasionally shoot something with terrible controls" skinner box bullshit. worse than an mmo

and the writing is terrible

>>383265065
Nah, exploring the map to see some out of reality stuff that you can't find IRL, and being able to fuck up everything you encounter is the point of Fallout. Bethesda did their best to give that same vibe, it's just that they changed the setting somewhat, dropping the Wild West themes.

It's different, but same in terms of quality. Story is shit, but the atmosphere is top notch, better than what the old guys could ever do with F1 and 2, including NV. People hate neo Fallouts because they got popular, not because they are terrible games.

>>383264943
You sure? So how did Colonel Autumn get that flash bang in the Vault despite you being the only human to be there in a while? The front entrance can't be opened and highly irradiated, so how did he get it inside?
Really makes you think, doesn't it?

>>383264664
fuck off newfag

>>383262545
Bethesda already can't keep track of the lore, they would accidentally retcon the entire series.

>>383265424
I thought the point of Fallout was making a well rounded character and going on your own, personal adventure that organically adapts to the character you made based on what you chose to be good/bad at and how you use dialog to define your character's personality.

At least that's what I always liked about it.

>>383262762
>>383263118
>the 30 degree mountain gradient on the train tracks
What?

>>383265424
>exploring the map to see some out of reality stuff that you can't find IRL, and being able to fuck up everything you encounter is the point of Fallout
So you don't understand fallout either, got it
>same in terms of quality. Story is shit
contradiction
>but the atmosphere is top notch
Woo meaningless buzzword, how long have you been working for the zenimax marketing department?
>People hate neo Fallouts because they got popular, not because they are terrible games.
I hate fallout 3 because the world, characters, and story are an incoherent mess

>>383265456
What vault are you even talking about? Autumn is encountered only in 2 places in the game: Purifier and Raven Rock.

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>>383265767
> woo you don't understand anything, and i ain't gonna explain shit

>>383265791
He's there when the Enclave captures you in the vault at Lamplight.

>>383258730
FO3 was my first Fallout game, and because of it I almost gave up completely on the franchise. A couple of years later I was told the Bethesda story, so I tried FO1 and I saw the light

>>383265791
Vault 87. That's where you get the GECK module.

I liked it when I first played it, but after going through it a few times, my major problems with it are that the world feels too sparse and the story was poor and far too linear. Was fun fucking around with mods for a while though.

>>383265959
How did they get into Little Lamplight anyway?

>>383265638
You just described what an RPG should be like. It has nothing to do with Fallout as a franchise. People like Spiderman because he flies around shooting web, not because of his struggle with living a double personality life. The same reason why people loved Fallout. Old America with surreal shit happening, where you can be as much of an asshole as you like. Something that other games didn't offer, forcing you to be a goodyshoes paladin no matter what you play.

>>383266261
Through the secret other entrance that the Super Mutants were using without killing the children.

>>383258554
Real ending locked behind a paywall.

What was so bad about Augustus Autumn taking control of the water purifier again? What was the central conflict of this game's story? Did it even have one?

>>383265959
>>383266130
So why wouldn't the most high tech faction in the wasteland who are responsible for vault experiments on the first place, be able to enter a freaking vault, that some lone nigger managed to enter?

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>>383265424
>Nah, exploring the map to see some out of reality stuff that you can't find IRL, and being able to fuck up everything you encounter

>>383266263
My problem is that I never enjoyed an RPG as much as I did Fallout. Whenever I play something craving that particular experience, I always find myself thinking "Man, I wish I was playing Fallout right now because this just isn't doing it for me." It kinda spoiled me on RPGs, so i think I associate a lot of that with Fallout.

Not that the lore and setting aren't great and distinctive, but personally it isn't my favourite. The Thief series probably has my favourite worldbuilding shenanigans.

>>383266445
Nothing, it's just that kids parrot bullshit to support their F3 hate wagon.

The story is a typical Hollywood cliche good guys vs the bad guys, where BoS are good, and Enclave are big badies. Papa wants to save all people by purifying water, evil maniac Autumn wants to poison it to kill everyone and die of loneliness in an empty wasteland.

>>383266719
RPG's are the hardest and deepest genre of them all, being the pinnacle of entertainment industry in the history of humanity. Creating a dream RPG without all the flaws is financially impossible, so of course there are almost none on the market at all. So you either play retarded grindan Hack n Slash \ Dungeon Crawlers (which are 99% of what they call RPGs out there) or play the very few unfinished raw mess games such as Fallout, made with a budget of a bottle of bourbon and a pack of cigarettes by a bunch of sweaty enthusiasts.

Perfect RPG is like space exploration. You can dream about it, but it's worth so much that nobody gives a shit.

>>383260990
This. I have no problem with Bethesda's decision to set Fallout 3 away from the west coast, and I really don't have a problem with them exploring new locations and factions. The issue here is that they felt the need to tack to carry game elements over when they didn't make sense. Why are there FEV vats suddenly outside of West Tek facilities? Why are east coast super mutants and centaurs a thing? Why the sudden change in the Brotherhoods motivation? Why tack the Outcasts on at the last minute? Why are the Enclave alive?

The most annoying thing about this is that Bethesda has proven that, with the material, they can make a positive impact on the franchises lore without resulting in stupidity. Look at The Pitt and Point Lookout. Lackluster and too short I grant you, but these 2 DLCs are frankly the only good thing Bethesda has given the Fallout franchise, aside from indirectly leading to New Vegas.

>>383266764
>evil maniac Autumn wants to poison it to kill everyone and die of loneliness in an empty wasteland.
Cept that wasn't Autumn's plan at all. Did you even play the game?

>>383266718
Not very deep and pretentious when people put it the way it is, eh? Gets pretty hard to stroke your ego when someone explains why you love a particular thing, and it turns out you are not an elite consumer who achieved CHIM.

>>383264664
>be in vegas
>one dean martin song
>didn't use the song "lonesome road" for the dlc of the same name

aside from in the shadow of the valley, big iron, and jingle jangle the soundtrack is a disaster

>>383266261
The irradiated entrance up top. Before Autumn "died" before in Project Purity you could see him inject himself with something, probably a modified anti-radiation drug or something, like Rad-X. There's nothing to stop them doing the same to enter Vault 87

>>383267287
the pitt honestly had one of the best tones/vibes in any fallout game period
ingots fucking ruined everything though

>>383267294
It was Eden's plan, and Autumn is a generic evil mook who follows dumb orders. And to make it look deeper than it is they included a few tapes with monologues where it implies that Eden is nothing, and Autumn is the big daddy out there. But nobody cares, since the game narrative makes it look otherwise.

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>>383265921
>hurr why don't you explain shit
>when I only speak in buzzwords

>>383262891
is it painful being this pretentious? i'm also curious; does your shit smell like roses?

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>>383266519
The entrance is the most highly irradiated area in the game. 3000 rads. Even in power armor, the only way you're gonna get there is by spamming Rad Away on a hot key. Power armor I will only help a bit. Don't see how the Enclave, let alone the Colonel in just his duster to get inside that easily.

>>383264958
>shitty ost

Sir, I respect your right to your own opinion, no matter how wrong that opinion may be.

>>383258554
I still think it's a decent game, just feels like more of a theme park experience than NV, with all the strange settlements with their own themes and ethical dilemmas thrown at you.

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>>383267757
It's Enclave, i ain't gotta explain shit.

>>383267352
>fits the tone and setting
>has music made in the 90s yet has a timeless quality
Because, you know, there was around 120 years of this shit being pumped out in the Fallout universe, so why wouldn't there be music from outside the 50s?

I do wish we had some Elvis music though, but licensing is a bitch. Even Rockstar have cut songs from older GTA games in recent patches because of licensing fees.

>>383267609
Cept no it doesn't make it look otherwise. Autumn and the human members of the enclave abandon the talking computer when they leave raven rock. The only person in fallout 3 dumb enough to follow the talking computers plan is the player if choose to

>>383267757
I just realized what a missed opportunity this is. They could have made the rad level high but manageable and have it be a neat challenge to reach the GECK from the other side. Instead they went the lazy route and just made it inaccessible instead.

>>383268104
if you choose to*

>>383268142
>Expecting meaningful choices and multiple solutions in a Bethesda game
lol

>>383268104
Well of course, because Raven Rock is lost. Why would you follow a computer which went full retard, on a base that will explode any second? Generic evil mooks want to live too.

>>383258554
only 20 levels

>>383267924
Typical.

>>383268142
Good point, maybe if Emile wasn't working with Bethesda they could have done this. But nah, he had to be a shitty writer.

>>383267958
I gathered that the setting is culturally stuck in the '50s despite technology far superseding that time period, so they were either stuck with licensed music from that time (or before), or Bethesda would have to record new music made to sound similar to '50s music.

>>383267351
>Not very deep and pretentious when people put it the way it is, eh?
nope. exactly the problem with fallout 3

>when someone explains why you love a particular thing
no one has done that yet though

>>383267924
But good point.

>>383268520
Only the Bethesda Fallouts are stuck culturally in the 50s

>>383268520
Or, as New Vegas handled it, get music from whenever, provided it suits the games tone and setting, and use that as part of the soundtrack.
Nothing wrong with adding actual music from the 40s and 50s; I don't think adding newer pieces of music hurts the game though.

> or Bethesda would have to record new music made to sound similar to '50s music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCkwAgTcDBw
There are also all the songs the lonesome drifter sings; based on actual songs yes, but rerecorded with their own Fallout flare.

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>>383268534
> no one has done that yet though

Of course, because simple explanations don't allow pretentious dickwads to smell their own farts, so they will deny everything that doesn't let them elevate their overblown ego.

Fallout 3 plot is a carbon copy of Fallout 1 story by the way (which is the peak of the franchise, and is better than what F2 memes can offer in every way). Master killing himself when you tell him that mutants can't breed is just as retarded as everything you encounter in F3.

Plot was never a strong point in the franchise, no matter what butt blasted autists say. Fallout is about exploding kids, beating grannies and getting wasted on meth while sleeping in a trash can. And to give you a meaning it has orcs super mutants invading this little cocaine ridden hooker uthopia, so you are on a quest to kill the bad guys and inhale jet from ghoul's anus for the rest of your life, living peacefully on a rancho full of memes.

>>383269060
The first thing you see in Fallout 1 is an old-timey TV playing a space-age car ad. Bethesda took the theming and ran with it, but there's a reason why that happened.

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>>383269060
Nah, Bethesda just overplayed the presence of this culture in the post-apocalyptic setting, but it was always there.

>playing Fallout 3
>this is three dog AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>songs about atom bombs because bombs fell amirite fellow wastelanders
>people scavenging supermarkets for two centuries
>Super Mutant Behemoths in general
>the godawful level scaling and Albino Radscorpions
>most areas are just go here and kill shit
>dialogue that feels like someone with brain damage wrote it

>>383269064
Most of Fallout 3/4's soundtrack is '30s and '40s music.

>>383269175
>Master killing himself when you tell him that mutants can't breed is just as retarded as everything you encounter in F3

giving someone concrete, scientific proof that their entire life's work that they sacrificed their humanity for has been for nothing and them killing themself makes a lot more sense than telling a computer "kill urself my man. because i said so" and having it work

>>383269175
Why would you post an image contracting everything you were saying?

>>383260974
Is /v/ so young these days that people on here actually unironically believe this?

>>383269635
just turn your brain off lmao

>>383269175
>Fallout 3 plot is a carbon copy of Fallout 1 story
You didn't actually play either game did you

Fallout 1: The Master wants to 'improve' and unify the human race by turning them all into supermutants and killing anyone who resists. You the player want to stop him so that he doesn't hurt your friends & family from Vault 13 and also because turning everyone into mutants will ultimately doom the human race due to the supermutants being sterile.

Fallout 3: Augustus Autumn wants to get the water purifier and use it to rebuild the American state (he literally wants to make america great again). The Brotherhood wants to stop this because ????????? this means they will lose their own power & influence over the wasteland I guess?? You the player want to help the Brotherhood because ?????????????????? they are the good guys and you have no alternative?

>>383269581
Absolutely no difference. Both a genius immortal being controlling an entire army of GMO humans and a supercomputer operating with pure logic who controls an army of technologically advanced soldiers, going full retard when told the most simplistic and obvious logical fallacy that even a kid will probably realize?

It's just there to give you a speech check option, nothing more. Fallout plot was always retarded, from day one, but cultist fandom will fight to the death after reading this, almost like you shat on the altar in their little faggy church.

>>383269635
Pete may be an asshole marketer, but he knows what's up. People who take Fallout lore seriously should check their mental health.

>>383270005
>people who want a coherent worldbuilding and stuff that doesn't contradict itself should check their mental health

>>383270005
>people who expect internal consistency in narrative should check their mental health

Have you ever read a book? A good one, I mean?

>>383270005
>going full retard when told the most simplistic and obvious logical fallacy that even a kid will probably realize?

wait. you think the master killed himself because he couldn't handle a logical dilemma?

>>383269982
Those mental gymnastics, lol.

> You the player want to stop him so that he doesn't hurt your friends & family from Vault 13

What family? What friends? You are taking it out of your ass to support your wank over original Fallouts. You can even murder the Overseer if you want to, basically saying a fuck you to Vault 13.

> The Brotherhood wants to stop this because

Because Enclave are their competitors and they want to hoard technology all for themselves.

> You the player want to help the Brotherhood because they are the good guys and you have no alternative?

Exactly. That's how media worked for as long as it exists. Same retarded reason you posted about F1. Because the player wants to save his non existing friends, his REAL family (which makes it even more personal and plausible than F1 plot) and of course kick ass and chew bubblegum.

>>383270005
>people who take the story seriously in an RPG are morons
You are an idiot. This is precisely the reason why kids lap up dogshit like Skyrim and Fallout 4 because they literally don't know any better, and they think muh crafting and muh combat are what makes an RPG because most of the time, their first "RPG" was likely something subpar like Fallout 3.

The plots were never groundbreaking even in the better written games, but the setting is the main draw people have for it, and when it gets handled poorly by people who don't know what they are doing, you are going to get annoyed. I sincerely doubt you have never gotten annoyed over something considered trivial by other people but to you it's important. You're getting wound up by this entire thread so there must be something there.

>>383270285
> Durr, i'll ask rhetorical questions without explaining what's wrong to make myself look more intelligent, like i possess information that you don't

It's exactly what a said. Talking with pretentious fanatical hobos is like arguing with insects.

>>383270124
>>383270139
>>383270550
Wanting a serious story is fine, anyone with a semblance of taste wants one. The thing is, it's like seeking story in a shounen anime. You won't find it no matter how much you try. Fallout never had one, and that's what the argument is all about.

Better than nv

>>383270556
no i'm honestly asking because i can possibly read that sentence either way.

of course i don't have any more information than you do, since the post you were replying to explains exactly why that isn't what happened at all.

>>383260127
>200% MAD

>>383270556
Tha Master kills himself because you provide scientific proof that his life's work is bunk. He counted on Mutants being able to reproduce and when you prove his assumption wrong, he goes through all the stages of grief in front of your face before deciding to kill himself.

Why do you talk about games you clearly didn't play?

>>383270420
You've completely missed the point, well done. In Fallout 1 the player's character has a reason to follow the main quest, find the water chip, and stop the master i.e. protecting the vault. In Fallout 3 the player's character has NO REASON to care about or participate in the brotherhood vs enclave conflict. Who fucking cares if the Enclave takes the water purifier? Why should the PC lift a single finger to stop it?

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>>383270823
DECADES OF PLANNING. THE DEUS EX MACHINA SET IN MOTION BY A GENIUS IMMORTAL ORGANISM TO PUSH HUMAN RACE INTO ACHIEVING GREATNESS, REACHING THEIR ULTIMATE EVOLUTIONAL PEAK

> but they can't breed, lmao

AH, OKAY, GOTTA KILL MYSELF, BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME

>>383270707
Whether or not you think the games story is bad is one thing, but you're arguing in favor of inconsistencies. You can have bad stories yet are still consistent in their own little bad story bubble.

>>383258554
The engine. That's it.

>>383271031
It makes sense if you don't think about it.

>>383271031
That's a very reductive depiction of the conversation. You need to do actual ingame research with the Brotherhood to get the data to present to him, at which point he confers with one of his lieutenants and even when the flaw is confirmed, he still denies your proof and you have to convince him to stop being a bitch and face the music.

It has nothing to do with logical dillemmas or paradoxes and it's completely different from Eden's "abortion of science" dialog. I don't understand what else is to discuss.

>>383259376
I want to say you're being sarcastic but the autists on this site actually believe this.

>>383269175
Pete Hines should just fucking die in a fire.

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On top of my head
>absolutely terrible story with too few options
>green tint
>broken gunplay
>sub par graphics
>too many raider camps and monster lairs, not enough cities and unique locations
>too easy
Saying that it's trash is objectively wrong though. In my case it's a 50/50 between 3 and NV, I think each game did things better than the other. Overall I pretty much equally enjoyed both.

>>383271038
I am not arguing in favor of inconsistencies, i am just being a devil's advocate here, to bring even a tiny dust of logic into a braindead cult where people parrot dumb opinions, locking themselves in a fanatical echo-chamber.

/v/ is contrarian when it comes to mainstream media, yet are just as retarded when it comes to things people love here. Trying to balance things out and calm down the autistic screeching will generate an outcry the likes you will see on Reddit, Neogaf or any other cancerous cellpool such as Tumblr hambeasts getting mad when someone don't acknowledges their circlejerk.

Fallout threads are nothing but circlejerk at this point.

>>383271031
She's a little too mature looking to be cis playing Cass, but still nice to see.

>>383259948
Fallout 3 was all about exploration. Fallout 4 had way too much focus on the settlement crap and the exploration suffered because of it.

>>383271551
You're not doing a very good job, then. So far you've played devil's advocate by making reductive claims and brushing off dissent by mentioning your foregone conclusion that everyone is just circlejerking about the game. I don't get what the point here is.

>>383258554
Not much.

>>383269982
>The Brotherhood wants to stop this because ????????? this means they will lose their own power & influence over the wasteland I guess??
Yes. Because they aren't the hollywoodian good guys everyone memes about. In truth, it seems evident that they seek political influence over the wasteland, so they want the purifier for that exact reason. They pretend to fight the Enclave for the people, but in the end they're a faction of power and do it for themselves first.
>You the player want to help the Brotherhood because ?????????????????? they are the good guys and you have no alternative?
Because
1 - your father got killed as a result of their attack on the memorial
2 - you aren't pure human so it means you're good as dead to them

>>383271551
>to bring even a tiny dust of logic
No, you brought an opinion.
>/v/ is contrarian when it comes to mainstream media
Welcome to most, if not all, of 4chan. Hell, welcome to all chan sites in general.
>trying to balance things out
You're not though. You are deliberately baiting a thread out for (you)s.
>Fallout threads are nothing but circlejerk at this point.
I agree, and with these threads, there is always one person like you who decides to stir shit. It's something you can comfortably set your watch to.

Why the fuck are you even here?
I don't mean this thread, I mean 4chan in general.

>>383261720
They have autism so probably yes.

>>383272078
>They pretend to fight the Enclave for the people, but in the end they're a faction of power and do it for themselves first.
There would be no reason for the Brotherhood schism though. Ultimately Lyons wants to fight for the people of the wasteland because reasons, and this caused a split in the East Coast chapter.
Although in reality, it's more like the Outcasts were a last minute addition because the writers realized they goofed up. Why do you think the Outcasts have no quests and have the first DLC surrounding them when in reality it could be literally any other faction

>>383261720
>they don't understand that role playing is something that happens in the brain
Shame you are constantly reminded of your role, limiting the choice of what you can be and do in the world.

>>383272080
Quoting every single line is bad tone, ya know? Deactivate your autistic almonds.

> Why the fuck are you even here?

Because nobody leaves this place. We are stuck here forever.

>>383270990
Because he follows his dad, who read bible too much and got himself in trouble. And following your dad is way more plausible then trying to help some literal who's living underground, who sent you to your death and are not even grateful in the end.

>>383272569
>We are stuck here forever
Then may God have mercy on your soul then, because only he knows what you do on this site.

>>383272547
Stop playing the main quest then dumbass

>>383272834
Amazing.
>don't play the main part of the game if you want to pretend
Are Bethesda RPGs the only ones you've played?

>>383272424
The schism happened because of disagreements. It's not just Lyons wanting to help people, I suppose it's also because Lyons seems to be interested in power play (which I guess is why he is helping wastelanders, to obtain their approval and thus establish BoS domination easily). Whereas the Outcasts seem to be just interested in technology since they pretty much ignore all the Enclave/BoS fuss.
I know they're likely a late game addition but they fit in nicely IMO, shame they didn't tie in with the Pitt

>>383273035
Are you literally retarded? There is tons of other stuff to do in the game besides the main quest. Or can you not function without having your hand held the entire time through a game?

>>383258554
Still don't understand why people hate this and seem to love "Buy My Fucking Game 4".
The writing in Fallout 3 is around a 3/10 while Fallout 4 has a 3.5/10 with a meme wheel and a voiced protag, worse combat and worse progression.

>>383261234
>>settlers have moved in and there is now a merchant willing to sell shit to me
this doesnt happen

>>383273551
People only like F4 because the shooting is a bit better and some are autistic enough to build their bases.

fallout 3/NV/4 needed more BIG enemies like the size of mirelurk queens and mutant behemoths. why can there be deathclaw behemoths? mole rat behemoths

>>383273785
t. odd howard

>>383273659
>a bit better
its waaaaaaay better

>>383273578
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Prospector%27s_Den

>>383273893
>tfw literally never went back there after clearing it out so never knew about that

Wew, every time I find something new about this game. Are there other examples of that stuff happening or is it just one location?

>>383274147
If you clear Bonnie Springs of raiders, a few days later, cazadores will take over the town. If you kill them, a blind deathclaw will move in.

>>383273551
Fallout 4 is a lot better then then 3 but it's total shit in comparison to the others. It actually gives you different endings and portrays the brotherhood way better then holier then though fallout 3 did

>>383263373

>Light weight plane metal
>Stronger than stone

9/11 nigger

>>383261658
Does BoS and tactics not exist?

>>383261329
And in 3 you can grab a fatman at level 2 or 3, rilfe and combat shotgun are also common as fuck. Not to mention the easy and boring as fuck OA dlc gives you loads of OP shit to play with.

>>383267924
>main antagonist
>"die" in a cutscence
>capture you in a cutscene
>get told to fuck off in the final battle
Why is this allowed?

>>383260641
All the fallout games aside from 3 and 4 had a coherent world that made sense, you even shape and influence said world.

Bethesda's games "just works".

>>383261625
You're probably went to the point of pulling shit out of your ass instead of making sense.

>>383263373
>aluminium
>strong