[gets nerfed]

Damn. Metalless repairs were so good.

>>383254643
Great. That thing was long overdue for a nerf.

>>383254643
Why is tf2 so fucking shit now?

Why are they even pretending to care about balance? All the competitive players have left. I doubt casual F2Pers who only play minecraft trading idle maps give a fuck about balance.

>SNIPER RIFLE NERFED
>STOCK MELEES BUFFED
>HEAVY FUCKING BUFFED
HOLY SHIEEETTTTTT THIS FUCKING UPDATE

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For serious, defend metalless repairs

>>383254643
who gives a shit about tf2 balance

>>383255503
You sacrifice the ability to do any significant damage by yourself outside of melee range, plus you can always push when the engine is forced to reload, which is pretty often

>>383255357
Pre Meet your Match casual is the way the game was meant to be played

>>383254643
Good. Rescue Ranger makes it too easy to turtle and is by far Engineer's best primary in defensive situations.
>>383255357
>All the competitive players have left
Hey nigger, stop telling lies like a dirty nigger.
>http://logs.tf/
>competitive players: 183,737
TF2 community competitive has a higher population than every single Quake game's current populations combined.

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>>383257024
>Push when the Engie is forced to reload
>Engie just hauls his Sentry from the other side of the map and still has 100 metal to fix it as it is redeployed in safety, completely wasting an Uber
Nah, fuck that weapon. I'm glad you now have to watch your metal meter when spamming bolts if you intend to range haul it.

>>383257197

>go demoman
>spam reg pipes/loch/sticky/resistance
>go soldier
>pop in and DH/use splash damage

git
fucking
gud

>>383257130
Actually the game was designed for 8v8 play originally, and all playtesting was done in an 8v8 format.

Valve only expanded to 12v12 very late in development.

Besides, I don't give a shit how the game was "meant" to be played. If the game is fun and skillful competitively I'm going to take advantage of that. TF2 competitive is very fun.

>>383257197
But the nerf does nothing to turtles. As long as engi is leeching off his dispenser, RR won't really change from what it is today.

What it will do is punish patrolling engineers who don't feel like crouching in their cramped nest like a giant tool.

>>383257325
>>go demoman
And there's where your argument falls down right off the starting line.
Once picking a specific unlock and counter class is 100% required to take down a certain strategy, that strategy is safely considered broken.

It's like saying:
>go spy
>get behind the Darwin's Danger Shield Sniper
>stab him
>>git fucking gud
That's how dumb you are.

Just because a counter exists to an imbalanced weapon doesn't make it stop being imbalanced, dumbass.

>>383257325
It's almost like the RR still allows you to mostly outheal the damage from pipes and rockets, or to haul it away if you see stickies start to stack up near your sentry or your bolt spam finally doesn't cut it and it starts losing health. Holy shit.

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>still playing tf2
>on low settings

letting go is hard but you will be happier once you do it.

>Spy getting nerfed to shit

About damn time.

It's a shame I stopped playing this garbage 2 years ago.

>>383257454
>But the nerf does nothing to turtles
That's not true. For starters, it forces Engineers to actually invest in a Dispenser (which costs a flat amount of Metal to build and costs time to build) instead of rushing a Level 3 straight away.

And if that Dispenser isn't upgraded to 3, it's not going to be a very efficient source of Metal either.

And even if the Engineer does do that, then Rescue Ranger will now make his Metal deplete much more quickly than it used to while turtling.

>>383257957
Only garbage thing around here is your taste. You don't have a single legitimate criticism of TF2.

>>383257889
I've held on for all these years, I'm not letting go when they're about to buff my boy.

>>383255359
>stock melees buffed
What?

>>383258051

Oh did I hit a nerve there kiddo? Did I offended you and your shitty hat simulator?

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Post the most FUN class in TF2 in your subjective opinion, and why that class makes you feel those feels.

>>383258542
Not an argument, sweetie.

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>>383258595
Engineer.
I'm always a fan of the builder class in games, and I feel he's done the best, needing scrap to build stuff instead of a cool down, a variety of things outside of just one sentry, can have a big impact on gameplay alone if given time, etc

Really sucks that Torb in OW can't come close to him.

>>383254643
It'll never get nerfed because that fucking update is never coming out
Valve you better buff the fucking Righteous Bison and Pomson I swear on me fucking mum

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>>383258595
Pyromaniac
I love damage over time effects in every game and even though afterburn is so weak it's a joke, it's fun to hear the ding ding ding ding ding

>>383258595
Soldier with the cow mangler. I love that charge shot, nothing brings me a greater joy than lighting people on fire from across the map, or stunning a sentry and shooting it with my shotgun because I'm a fucking crazy retard that loves his laser gun too much

>>383258667

I wasn't arguing in the first place, kiddo. You just got butthurt over my comment for no reason.

>nerfing engineer

BRAVO VOLVO! LONG OVERDUE ENGINEER WAS ALWAYS THE MOST OVERPOWERED CLASS IN THE GAME THE TERROR IT CAUSED IN BOTH PUBS AND COMPETITIVE MATCHES ALIKE. COMPLETELY BROKEN CLASS!

Thank fuck i gave up on this trash game.

>>383259313
Thank fuck you left this great game, retard who doesn't understand game balance.

Thanks for the threadbump. You won't be missed.

>>383259313
If Valve is planning to nerf his turtling capabilities and enhance his support, I'm all for it.

>>383258595
Pain Train Demoknight on CTF maps

Because fuck everyone

>>383258595
demoknight, practically unstoppable on pubs

>engie will never have alternate dispensers
>he will never have alternate telelporters like speed boost pads or jump pads
god damn it.

>>383259540

>Implying you know jack shit about game balance

>>383259642
Speed boost pads would be useful as fuck in 5CP, KOTH, and CTF.

Especially if they deployed quicker than regular teleporters so Engineer could spawn in 5CP, place the speed pad down and build it while his team was running to mid, and then once he got it set up, use the speed boost to catch up to the Medic. .

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>>383258595
Scout because fast

>>383254643
The game has been shit since 2011.

This thread should be stickied as definitive proof that /v/ is nowhere even close to being good at vidya as they like to pretend.

>>383258595
My two most played classes by far are soldier and engi. The former is an effect of "when in doubt, pick soldier", the latter is what I find most fun.

What I like most about engi is that he's basically a scout with more stuff to do. A much worse scout, but still.

>>383260273
Except it hasn't.

>>383260273
Still going strong, nerd

>>383255359
>SNIPER RIFLE NERFED
What? When? Where?

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>>383260273

>>383258595
Pyro

I just love running around setting everyone on fire and spamming airblast and flares.

>>383260482
It's not dead, plenty of underage furfags still play it. It's just nowhere as good as it was in its first three years.

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>>383260452
>>383260482
>>383260407

>>383260278
Based on what metric?

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>>383258595
Heavy because Fuck no, who actually finds Heavy enjoyable? Especially stock-only Heavy. He's one of the most boring classes in the game. That's why nobody mains him.

>>383259642
It boggles my mind that they never fucking thought to do basic shit like this. I would happily take inferior sidegrades if it meant I could have more flexibility and fun as an Engineer. I mean, why can't he build a little one way shield or something?

>>383260710
my friend once told me this
>"Playing Heavy in TF2 is more fun than playing any character in Overwatch"

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>>383260640
What exactly is this meant to prove, nigger?
20,000 out of 1,800,000 is still 1,780,000.

That's right, 1,780,000 people played TF2 in the last 2 weeks.

You keep posting that image but you have zero fucking idea what it actually means.

>>383260834
It kind of is. Hell, being a Rancho Relaxo Engie is more engaging at times.

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>>383260834

Somebody once told me... THE WORLD IS GONNA ROLL ME I AIN'T THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED

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>>383260834
It's sad how true that is.
>TF2: YATATATATATATATA mowing people down and whipping around the mouse to catch scouts
>OW: oh wow i pressed Q again yippee

Even TF2's most boring class is more fun than Overshit.

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2fort map rework when?
I want Valve to do for 2fort what they did for Nuke in CS:GO.

The visuals can stay the same, but the map design needs to change.

>>383261081
It doesn't help the characters in OW don't have any personality.

>>383258595
Engineer
With the Gunslinger.

>>383261185
2fort is too iconic. They just to make a new map with the same sentiments. A perfectly mirrored ctf map, composed of 2 fortresses.

>>383261208
I like the gunslinger too, I use in conjunction with the pomson and pistol.

>>383261081

It's funny how you post that image considering TF2 fags spend countless of time and money collecting useless cosmetics.

But yeah it's only Blizzard fans right?

Oh and by the way, both OW and TF2 are shit. Don't delude yourself.

>>383261208
Nothing at all wrong with that post-nerf, so long as you're using your Shotgun and Pistol.

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>>383261297
Maybe a return of Ravelin from Team Fortress Classic?

>>383261315
>reddit spacing
>"BOTH GAMES ARE SHIT BUT I WON'T SAY WHY HURR DURR"
shitposter alert.
>considering TF2 fags spend countless of time and money collecting useless cosmetics
Cosmetics for a good game. Meanwhile, Blizzard fans buy cosmetics for a bad game.

>>383261454
Damn good map. I wish they made Warpath and Avanti official too.

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>>383258595
Heavy by far
>mow down everything
>only solid counter to pyros
>massive tank
>noone ever learns to run away from a revved up heavy

>>383261587

>>reddit spacing

Not an argument.

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goodnight vee

>>383261587

The fuck is reddit spacing?

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>>383261681
Goodnight
yore
ugleh

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>>383258595
Engineer. Why?, well because of shit like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95iwH1UsFC4

>>383261650
>only solid counter to pyros

Pretty much everything counters Pyros.

t. Pyro main.

>>383261650
>only solid counter is pyro

What.

>>383261824
this
Pyro is the only class in TF2 that has
>average mobility (no viable advanced movement, normal runspeed)
>average damage (shotgun outdamages flamethrower)
>average hp (mid-tier at 175)
>the worst primary range in the game (even Spy has Revolver)

Most other classes at least excel at something. For example, Scout has low HP, but average range, high damage, and high mobility.

Pyro excels at nothing and is the worst ranged to boot.

>>383261587

I won't post the list of problems again for the who knows what Nth time. Not like blind fanboys listen anyways.

2.50 for a single cosmetic vs play game for an hour and get 4 items for free.

I can tell you're a valvefan just by your ignorance.

inb4 BUT YOU CAN GET ALL TF2 ITEMS FOR FREE TOO!

Alright, show me your free golden pan and your fire team captain please.

At least in OW, golden weapons are actually free.

>>383261784
>vampirism_fire.mov

>>383258595
>Engineer
There's something magical about getting your buildings set up, and then immediately abandoning them to wreck the other team's shit with your shotgun as they consistently mistake you for a non threat.

>>383261824
Not really 'counters', they're just stronger across the board. Heavy is the only class that's supposed to absolutely shred a pyro by design.

>>383262171
an engineer running rampant with a shotgun is fucking terrifying.

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>bout to do mann up
two citites or the engineer one?

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>>383262159
>2.50 for a single cosmetic vs play game for an hour and get 4 items for free
You just called cosmetics shit anyway. So why do you care?

You're that same faggot who always comes in and says the same arguments over and over, I've seen you before. Don't feed it, guys.

>>383261587

I will shut down your entire autism with a single blow:

Random Crits.

>>383261824
>caught a spy while checking
>he just turns around and facestabs you
>feel so fucking useless

>>383262224
2 cities.

>>383261185
Leave 2fort alone.
Besides it has plenty of good alt versions

>>383262269

>You just called cosmetics shit anyway. So why do you care?

Because my original argument was that Valve fucks also eat Valve's shit just as much as Blizzard fucks?

And the fact that you're defending cosmetics on TF2 despite being mostly paid pretty much solidifies my argument.

>>383262305
They aren't random if everyone gets them. :)

>>383262504

Oh so you can predict exactly when a random hit will occur? Do you even know what "random" means?

>>383262481
because the point of TF2 is to have fun and the point of OW is to farm lootboxes

TF2 has cosmetics as a bonus, OW as an objective

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>babies are still crying about random crits after all these years

>>383262641
>TF2 has cosmetics as a bonus, OW as an objective
Come on now anon

>>383262305
Are fine. A good 50% of the community likes them.

http://www.strawpoll.me/2317837/r

They're no different to mystery boxes in Mario Kart or dicerolls in Dungeons and Dragons or criticals in Dota.

Hell, even the original Quake and Doom had random damage modifiers.

If you don't like random crits play competitive.

>>383262641

>TF2 has cosmetics as a bonus, OW as an objective

It's not a bonus if you have to pay to open those crates...

Both games give you a "crate" every so often. One forces you to pay to open it and the other one gives it to you for free.

Sorry Anon, but Valvefucks eat as much shit if not more than Blizzardfucks.

>>383262987
you can trade things you dont want in tf2, also tf2 is free now so you can even make a profit if you're chinese

>>383262641
Don't feed the self-contradictory cosmetics tard. He comes and shitposts in every TF2 thread with very transparent bait trying to get a reaction. Just ignore him.

>>383258595
Pyro for the Flare Gun. What a beautiful weapon.
Close second: Spy for the Big Earner.

>>383263152

>He comes and shitposts in every TF2 thread

What a sad fuck to never leave this board to know things like this.

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>>383263229
>picking the two weakest classes in all of TF2

>>383263272
>not living on /v/
Get out, right now. You don't belong here.

>>383263272
>implying you can leave
sup newfag, enjoy your first summer here and get used to it

>>383263424
>>383263482

You're taking the hi/v/emind meme too far son. It's not healthy for you to let others decide what to do with your life.

>>383258595
Pyro, just because of the air blasts.

>>383263557
whatever you say son, see you tomorrow!

>>383263424
>>383263482

Everyone has a purpose in life, what can you do?

>lol I can spend 24 hours a day on /v/ and spot the same poster xD

I feel so sorry for your parents.

>>383258595
gunslinger engie with regular shotgun and pistol. i cannot get over how fun that is on CTF maps.

i have many spies get really pissed off at me, pissed enough to type in chat complaining about the RED/BLU engie tryharding with the stock shotgun.

>>383263757

How can you even tell anyone's gonna come back? We're all Anonymous...

>>383263763
>preaching about purpose in life on a mongolian basket weaving forum in a thread about a free to play clapistani hat collection simulator

>>383262269

God forbid 2 or more Anons share the same argument.

I think you're getting a little too paranoid, dude.

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>mfw I use stock weaponry on everybody besides medic

>>383263859
there are only 2 people on /v/ Anon, you, and me samefagging all the posts

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>>383258595
Demoknight, simply because killing medics who hide behind 3 heavies is so much more fun to kill as a demoknight than as a sniper or spy.

Then one asshole plays Pyro and suddenly I'm 100% useless

>>383264048
Scout wouldn't be as fun without the FaN

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>>383264237

>>383264348
needs 20lbs of pussy and ass

>>383260876
20.000 out of 65.000 makes a pretty significant difference my computationally challenged chum

>>383264348
>all melee gamemode
>play Demoknight
>steamroll through everything because they're the best melee class
while fun, I prefer playing Demoknight everywhere else. It's more fun that way

i'm getting a fucking tf2 itch now

>>383264487
>20.000 out of 65.000
That's where you fall short, my reading comprehension challenged dunce.

Reply only when you have actually comprehended my post, and no sooner. You're wasting both our time otherwise.

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>>383264932
it costs nothing but bandwidth to scratch it

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>>383258595
scout
i like winning 1v1s against every single class
his movement is fun
the scattergun is the beefiest weapon i've ever used
hitting every pistol shot is extremely satisfying
his voice lines are funny

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>>383258595
DEMO
MAN

>KABOOOOOM

Balanced, high skill ceiling, lots of fun weapons to choose from.

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>>383254643
>hey how do we nerf a gun that turtling engineers use, while sitting on their dispenser?
>I KNOW! lets force it to only be useful when the engineer is sitting on his dispenser
>fuck offensive or roaming engineers
You know what this gun did? it allowed engineers to move their dispenser so the team could use it. Guess that shits over valve?

>>383255503
Did you like dispensers being used for the team?
did you like offensive engineers?
Did you like engineers roaming around and relocating their sentries?

well thats all gone.

You know what metal rescue rangers add?
a fucking engineer sitting on his dispenser shooting at his sentry while switching in and out of wrangle mode.

>>383265418
>>I KNOW! lets force it to only be useful when the engineer is sitting on his dispenser
you're retarded
go read the nerf again and report back

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>Pyro update still isnt out

I don't know what happened to me where I went from being obsessed with the game to actively hating it and everyone playing it. Maybe it was the 3 years of lack of actual updates

>>383265539
>well thats all gone
Stop being a little drama queen.

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ONE YEAR
GIVE IT UP FOR ONE YEAR
ONE YEAR SINCE MEET YOUR MATCH HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED

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>nerfed sandman when it already takes away max health

Now how will scout be useful in cramped maps?

>>383265752
By not being shit.

>>383265678
I rarely use the rescue ranger because the shotty is better. Now I have little to no reason to use it.

the thing has too many downsides on it that I don't care enough for "you can repair it from afar!"

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>>383258595
Spy.
>tfw you kill a scoutnigger
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/c/c7/Spy_DominationScout06.wav?t=20100625224900

>>383258595
Heavy, especially with sandwich. It's a special feeling when someone thanks you for sacrificing your full heal to save them.

>>383265802
>on cramped maps

>>383264306
>The class that benefits from being as close to the enemy as possible
>Pushing people away from you is somehow a good thing

>>383265752
As suspected, trapfags' IQ is too low to understand the problem with Sandman.
>Thinking that losing 15 max health balances the ability to consistently condemn people to death at long range as if you were a Sniper, but with the speed and damage of a Scout and less aim requirement

I'll remind you that Sandman has the fastest projectile in the game. And it only takes a fraction of a second to kill a stationary player in TF2. That's why Scout getting a weapon that locks someone almost totally in place and was easy to hit was broken and had to go.

>>383258595
sticky jumper demoman

you go man missions to mars in seconds and you appear behind the enemy team like some instant transition shit. That and if you get an eyelander you can go stupid fast if you touch the ground.

which you never do because you can jump every second you feel like it and drop 100 damage pipes on anyone you're not fond of.

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>>383265935
>playing on cp_Cucktion and ctf_poofort
Man I'm glad Valve doesn't listen to you

>>383266129
holy shit are you me
recently i've swapped to iron bomber since it makes for great air raids

>>383266082
>Thinking that losing 15 max health balances the ability to consistently condemn people to death at long range
you live in a fantasy world if you think thats anywhere near "consistant"

Like is this bait?

>>383265935
Cramped maps are inherently shit. The only really cramped map I can even think of right now is Junction, which no one plays anyway, or Turbine, which is a CTF map and therefore inherently shit.

Good map design wouldn't restrict an entire class' movement. Therefore, if you find the room to complain about cramped maps, you are playing shitly designed maps.

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>>383265974
Dum

>>383266389
basically every map that isn't in 6s is cramped

>>383265974
you send them away with a parting gift of 200 damage, which also gives you time to reload or finish them off with the pistol.

>>383258595
Medic because I genuinely like being the turning force in teams without a Medic and getting thanked for getting others back in the fight quicker. It makes me feel important to others.

>>383266389
I always figured Dustbowl is cramped.

>>383262305
I will shut down your entire autism with a single blow:

console commands

>>383266437
>Badwater is cramped
>Upward is cramped
>Well is cramped
>Gravel Pit is cramped
>Steel is cramped
>Thunder Mountain is cramped
>Harvest is cramped
>Viaduct is cramped
>Lakeside is cramped
>Foundry is...

>>383266849
>I was exaggerating
>some of those are cramped
>I'm amazed some of those aren't 6s maps

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>>383266957
>"6s maps"
>not just calling them CP maps like everybody else

FaN for Pyro when

>>383257586

You're high. demoman literally

literally

exists as a counter to engineer, wheter by intent or not. If you're really so dense that you think you should be able to go "yeah yeah i can do this, i got a scattergun, i can take on this engineer hiding in the corner and his sentry nest", then i suggest throwing yourself off the nearest bridge above 10 metres high. Like fucking hell, a stock demoman beats both a stock and RR engineer. And don't even bother bringing spy into this argument because we established 10 years ago that he's irrelevant against anyone with situational awareness

>>383257682

>spam 4 heal darts
>have to reload while your shit gets fucked meanwhile
>try to haul it off from a distance
>essentially turn completedly useless for a while because carrying it, can't effectively combat enemies with RR and sentry gun needs setup time, and you can't haul it off again either right off the bat because metal cost

Basically, i'm right, you're both wrong and stop trying to kill the fun of the game, god knows Valve has tried hard enough

>>383267069
I had to go to the bathroom and I was trying to think of a way to describe like basically the early half of maps.

any reason to use rescue ranger on offense now.

its basically "you can move your sentry when you cap the point"
vs
"you can defend yourself if you're team is every team ever"

>>383267138
Stay away from my boomstick you dumb ember jockey

>they will never fix the bison
>if they did it would be a "buff" where they give it an upside thats also a downside, and then a direct downside where they reduce the damage by half

you could remove the drain rate from the Yer buff and its still not going to be used.

you rarely disguise while sitting on a metal kit, you normal disguise when you're behind enemy lines or you just turned invisible. It would require a shit ton of preplanning and its never something you can do around enemies.

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>>383254643
>Want to play tf2 again
>Run the game
>Immediately feel as if I am being forced to play it because of all those hours
>Stop playing
Why does this always happen to me? I like the game and want to play it again but something makes me want to stop right after 5 minutes have passed

I just realised that the blog post isn't even all of the changes just "some" of them.

>>383265539
It was never there to begin with. Engineers always sit on their guns like faggots.

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>>383267219
>>have to reload while your shit gets fucked meanwhile
My point is that if you have to reload and your shit starts getting fucked, you haul it instantly. With 4 bolts, you likely wasted at least half an Uber if you placed your Sentry in a good spot. You instead say this like the Engie takes hours to react to his buildings taking damage. Even a Demo stacking stickies right on the base of a Sentry needs three stickies down to kill it. He can't afford to detonate them one by one because the Engie can just bolt heal it, and if the Engie knows this, he'll wait for the Demo to commit a few stickies down before hauling it and wasting the entire thing.

>essentially turn completedly useless for a while
Wasting at least half an Uber makes up for however useless you may be right after. Also, good Engies often have good positioning and will just haul it to a favorable place where they can instantly deploy it. They don't need to carry it around if they can just hit M2 then M1 instantly and have their level 3 Sentry repositioned in 5 seconds. Anyone else trying to punish the Engie for doing that also doesn't have an easy time either because the Engie just crouches behind his Sentry, and he can heal the damage it takes as it is redeploying.

And nevermind the fact that someone COULD punish the Engie after hauling it. If you need three fucking people (the Medic that ubers, the ubered patient, and someone ready to fuck the Engie when he hauls his Sentry from across the area) to beat one class, there's something really wrong with the balance of it.

In fact, I always proposed that Valve should introduce a mechanic for making the RR incapable of hauling buildings from afar if it has taken damage in the last second. You want to counter the combo of a Medic ubering a patient, the Engie's team should also use teamwork and have a Pyro airblast the Uber away to allow the Engie to haul it if he wants to shit on the most game-changing mechanic of the game that hard.

>>383268504
>a Demo stacking stickies right on the base of a Sentry needs three stickies down to kill it. He can't afford to detonate them one by one because the Engie can just bolt heal it, and if the Engie knows this, he'll wait for the Demo to commit a few stickies down before hauling it and wasting the entire thing.


>engy spent 535 metal to build his sentry
>demo drops 3 stickies
>see now its unfair that the demo just wasted 3 stickies

>>383268716
How long did it take the Medic to build up an Uber, again? Pretty sure it's 40 seconds assuming the Medic was never healing an overhealed person during that entire time. Demo can't stack three stickies on a level 3 Sentry without an Uber and without dying unless the thing is positioned really badly.

>>383268903
>Demo can't stack three stickies on a level 3 Sentry without an Uber and without dying unless the thing is positioned really badly.

thats horse shit and you know it. There is like zero sentry positions that a demo can't drop 3 stickies onto.

>but the engineers team
yep thats not the engineer making it hard.

>>383266082
>Sandman
>Consistent
I literally couldn't count how many useless balls I've see launched from the sandman by myself and other scouts.

>>383254643
Who the fuck still plays tf2? Why do you even care about this

>>383269257
>STOP TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES REEEEE!!1!

>>383269126
>yep thats not the engineer making it hard.
Then this whole argument is fucking pointless. A match between Demo and Engie never exists on a vaccum, and I'm trying to argue for the situation you find in actual games. Going into a Sentry nest will always require an Uber because a) the Engie has a team, and b) the team going into the Sentry nest is the offensive team. They are taking a much higher risk by needing to throw themselves into the fire over the defending team that's guarding the nest just letting the others come to them. Before the RR, you needed at least a Pyro ready to basically sacrifice himself if he wanted to keep the nest alive. Or for the team to either kill or force an early Uber out of the offensive Medic so the Uber can't reach the Sentry nest in time.

RR reduces the amount of teamwork that a defending team needs if they want to keep a Sentry nest alive by a lot. Suddenly, it's not enough that the defending team couldn't pick out the Medic with a Sniper, a Spy, a Scout, a suicide Soldier, or anything like that. It's not enough that they couldn't even force the Uber before the offensive team had a chance to get close to the Sentry nest. It's not enough that maybe the offensive team had Uber advantage and avoided getting countered by an enemy Uber. Nope, just allow the Engie himself to heal the cornerstone of a defense from any distance and to instantly say "Fuck you" and move it to a much cozier place on demand, haha. Everyone else just needs to be enough of a distraction or to sit there ready to kill the Medic and his patient when their Uber runs out, forcing the game to go for at least 40 more seconds, worst case scenario.

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>medic hits his "Ubercharge Ready" voiceline
>everybody on the team starts mashing random voice lines and grouping up
>that orgiastic push as the heavy hitters dive onto a sentry nest and then everybody else starts picking off the enemy

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>A multi million dollar complany only have 7 people working on thier third most played game
>2 of them are actual programmers

>>383270109
you can just sit on a corner and shoot the sentry down while your team defends you.
this doesn't work if you're a lone demo.


And if you uber onto point and the engy picks up his sentry your team has free reign. Kill the engy when he runs away or just destroy everyone else on point. Him picking up the sentry basically means you've won the point, if hes able to set up the building again you were never going to get the point in the first place.

>>383270783
Because the Steam platform is orders of magnitude more profitable than any game Valve will ever put out.
So what's the point of pouring resources into TF2? Having a team keeping it barely afloat is enough.

>>383270783
Well Valve doesnt even have that large a staff anyway, and considering their office and design philosophy, its a surprise there arent less
>a ten year old game with ten years of poorly managed coding and limited resources
>VR games, or some of the most popular and current games of the time
Which would you choose to work on?

>>383271335
>I worked on some shovelware VR shit
>I worked on a legendary game
gee anon I dont know

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I'm surprised they haven't added more TFC/Goldsrc-era novelties into TF2 like the Original.

Like a crowbar/umbrella skin for weapons.

>when you play weaboo simulator with the half-zatoichi instant kills
>when you use natascha to wreck scouts

>>383271335
90% of valve is probably dedicated to Dotashit

>>383254643
>valve nerfs engi
>meanwhile his buildings can't defend themselves
>extremely weak and die instantly to anything explosive
>soldier can soak up damage up to a level 3 sentry and kill it in two shots
>demo can stickyspam
>spy can sap
>sniper can snipe
>pyro can wm1 rush
>heavy can ambush
>medic can uber
>scout can bonk

I like that of all of TF2's classes Engi is the only one that counters nothing and is countered by everything except other Engis. Playing engineer is a fucking tedious joke given how easy even a single class can annihilate everything you build and max out, and Casual's 25+ second respawn times don't help this so Gibbus McPyrovision can trickstab you then leave your stuff defenseless for three days.

I'd love to see a building HP boost, a damage resistance buff, or maybe let you add extra scrap onto them to improve their health and durability. Or give all buildings minor passive repairs, so that even when you're dead they have some minor semblance of self-sufficiency.

>>383262224
2 cities if you care about recouperating your money in any way

>>383273597
>half-zatoichi is used by demos and soldier
>demonigger shield antics have made it terrible on soldier
IT'S NOT FAIR WE WON THE WAR YOU SHOULDN'T GET OUR WEAPONS

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>>383274718
>demonigger shield antics have made it terrible on soldier

my face when I instakill a charging demoknight

>>383258595
Saxton Hale.

boink

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>>383258595

Sniper

I completely suck at it, but when I get a little killstreak of bodyshots going, I can't help but laugh like an autist for some reason.

>>383273017
Seeing The Original made me happy. Shame it sucks though.

>Nerf croc set to remove headshot immunity
>But give it bullet res to make it not totally shitty
>Remove bullet res
It's like they want the Syndey sleeper to be worthless.

They should let it have mini crit headshots at least.

>>383280338
If they want to improve the Sydney Sleeper, they should buff the Sydney Sleeper. DDS has nothing to do with it and it, in fact, was begging for a nerf.

>>383267620
I think they're trying to encourage the use of L'trenger with it since that will help with cloak time.

>>383255359
if they change the stock weapons at all the game is 100% dead to me, those are the most balanced weapons in the game

>still no servers that incorporate MvM upgrades into pvp matches

Fuck balance, I want a clusterfuck.

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>>383258595
Pyro is probably most fun

scout and soldier for hurting fun

spy unfun

>>383284842
don't post that picture ever again

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>>383258595
Literally pic related.
Crit whipping niggas and evaporating bozos have never been better except when the bison wasnt nerfed

>>383274718
that plus weapon switch is horrible, its like axestinguisher levels of bad where you can't combo into it or just use it mid combat.

its like they applied the zatoichi downside of locked melee to every one of the swords.

its fucking horse shit especially when demo is so mother fucking slow in the first place, and soldier is even slower. BUT YOU HAVE 65 DAMAGE MILDLY LONG RANGE MELEE ATTACKS NOW, WHOOP FUCKING DOO.

>>383274219
They nerfed his shit and made it so it was easier to build his stuff. Which was a good idea, but then they nerfed that.

Like seriously they should halve the upgrade cost for gear. it goes down so quickly that I think its fair.

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Who's ready for literally every scout to use this weapon once it gets buffed?

>>383258595
Pyro is the best. Nobody expect the pyro. I love that cone. I love blasting people with shotguns as they try to run away. I love running fast. I love swapping weapons quickly. I love hiding behind the payload.

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all the nerfs and buffs are centered around the retarded hue monkey children that all cheat

>>383265845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9PgLm__i7w

>>383258595
Soldier with the Beggars
I really like jumping around like a madman and shitting out rockets, there's not much more too it.

>>383285165
you're not my dad

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>>383266847
yeah love all those dead servers with random crits turned off

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>yfw the update isn't coming out until the 10th anniversary

Have there been more balance changes posted anywhere since the post from June, and is there any word on when the update is actually going to come out?

>>383286027
I am since I'll be one of the ones using it

where are the patchnotes?

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CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>>383287576
no and no
everyones just speculating and pretending to know to hype people up.
The map submission deadline hasn't even been hit yet.

Also those changes are only "some' of the changes they're introducing. whatever that means. Possibly that there are some minor nerfs and buffs, but these are just the big game changing nerfs that valve figures people will bitch about.

Is that Doomfists weapon? Looks pretty cool!

>>383254643
I gave up hope when they nerfed the fucking sticky jumper

>>383287709

>tfw gathered up 11 ref and waited around for something that I really wanted to trade back when keys were only worth about 3 ref
>still have all that useless metal sitting in my backpack

>>383279056
Isn't it just a normal rocket launcher? What's wrong with it?

>>383287709

>buy key
>sell for metal

>buy 30 hats with it

>>383260482
Never said it was dead retard.

>>383287709
remember when this shit went for 1 ref

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>>383287709
> first time playing keys were 1 ref and were still hard to get
>that image

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When wast he last time you played nigs?

Dec 2016 for me, but it may have been longer since I only wanted to check something that day

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>>383288369
last Wednesday

>>383288369
A few hours ago I was fucking around with the
Grenade Launcher
Sticky Jumper
Eyelander

>>383288369

Sometime before the Meet your Match update. I left for Overwatch and then after a few months I considered coming back only to find out they had added matchmaking, removed autobalance and had some sort of exp/level system that I didn't want to bother with.

>>383288559
>matchmaking

utter cancer

>removed autobalance

this slightly pissed me off, instead of fixing auto balance they just outright removed it

>had some sort of exp/level system that I didn't want to bother with

It's cosmetical afaik, like everything else in the game, you still get matchmaked with people having less than 10 hrs played

>>383288369
I played yesterday after like a year and discovered that I am bad at aiming now, and I have lost my spysense ability.

>>383289108
>instead of fixing auto balance they just outright removed it
How would you fix it?

>>383289364
have one of the top 3 players on the scoreboard from the winning team to get sent on the losing team instead of sending the last fuckwit who died

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How to fix balance

>if you switch to a team with low players you get a free hat after 10 switches
>the "would you like to switch" triggers at the exact moment the 2 players leave

You know this would work, and you know valve won't do it because they're greedy fucks

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>>383289364
Make it so that it only kicks in at the beginning of a round, so that shit like pic related doesn't happen anymore. And if a game seems heavily one-sided and nobody wants to switch, it'll forcefully take the MVP and put him on the losing team.

>>383287709
Are any crafted hats even worth anything anymore.
Jesus Christ, I thought 3.33 ref per key was bad.

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>>383290325
>ARE YOU-

>>383290367
No. And ref is constantly generating over time for free. Ref is just losing more and more and more value over time with no real reason to ever use it

>>383290058
So you'd make the problem worse? People didn't exactly complain about autobalance because it grabbed a random person that died. They complained because the idea of someone doing well in a team, killing the enemy team, and preventing them from reaching the objective, and then suddenly finding himself on the team he was just fighting against, now having to make up for all the shit he caused when he was playing for the other team, was crap.

This Anon is based and posted a great example of what I'm talking about: >>383290325
You're a Demo, you just destroyed the entirety of the defense. Suddenly, you are put to defend in a defense you just fucking broke. It's crap, and needed to go.

>>383290325
And yes, I think this idea works a lot better.

>>383290325

>And if a game seems heavily one-sided and nobody wants to switch, it'll forcefully take the MVP and put him on the losing team.

So...you want your webm related to happen even more then? The guy who is doing the most work gets thrown to the other team?

Autobalance should always be taken from around the middle of the scoreboard.

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>2:18
Miss Pauling is CUTE , CUTE !

>>383290950
forgot the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6jxfaGrcu4&t=383s

>>383291076
Do they still have contracts?

>>383291560
Whenever an update comes out contracts come out with it, though as you know, updates are coming out really fucking slowly.

>>383290903
It's nowhere near as frustrating if the switch is at the beginning of a round as opposed to the middle of one. Plus, it'll help break up little pubstomper parties that think it's fun for entire matches to end in less than 5 minutes.
>Autobalance should always be taken from around the middle of the scoreboard.
Not if 80% of the team are retarded gibuses which is usually the case.

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Always love me a tf2 thread

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>>383292159

>>383292159
>every pay load map by valve has gotten better and better
>they haven't released one since the engineer update

>>383292640
This. Payload is the best game mode and nobody can convince me otherwise.

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>Buy 30 bucks worth of keys
>A free mystery item is thrown in
>Cool what is it
>It's a fucking normal weapon

Honestly I'd be way less insulted if they hadn't bothered at all

>Thank you for buying something from our virtual shop here's something that's worth 1/3240th of what you bought, on us

>>383293094
its litterally worth nothing, in fact its actually costing you money by taking up bag space.

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>>383258595
scunt
the FaN is too much fun

>>383293008
Tf2 is basically designed around payload.

and its funny how all the people that copy it don't understand why it works.

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>>383254643
i havent played tf2 for over 7 or 8 years. Whats new and what do you guys think of it compared to back then?

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>play TF2 in recent months
>everything is okay
>suddenly it just freezes, can't blame it on summer since it's same room temp during winter
>a day later /v/ fun server appears

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I have downloaded more maps than I will ever play on in my lifetime

it's a shame so much thought and time is put onto making such beautiful maps, and yet no one will play them, or even servers running them

>>383293507
its like a meat grinder now , half of your team are just walking meat shields that sometimes shoot.

but its a lot faster and more open, everything kind of fell into this hole where they're all able to move quickly and reposition easilly.

would never go back, but I don't want them to keep going forward because they're making it worse and worse.

>>383293614
I fucking hate what they did to community servers

>>383262159

I got over 200 games just by trading, all I did was play, scrap my weapons, buy keys with metal and trade them for games, no sharking, no time wasted, it is so easy to get things by trading that I even traded for an unusual just because.

Also, golden weapons are shit tier.

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ITT: Thread filled with shit opinions

The Retard Ranger needed that nerf so you idiots dont have a brain dead way to play the game.

You are as annoying as vaccinator faggots but at least that requires teamwork to be useful.

>>383262174
Heavies are really easy to kill if by themselves imo. Easy to spam flares from around a corner

>Spy is shit
>lets nerf him some more
>lets nerf DR for the millionth time because subhumans cant deal with it

>>383265370
""""""balanced""""""

>>383293937
>I should be able to solo kill a sentry by myself
>I shit myself in anger when I see that the engineer got away with his sentry and won't bother me with it until we go for the next area

>>383293937
>vaccinator faggots
Man that's my favorite medigun to use but I agree it needs changing because holy fuck it's annoying to fight against.

>>383294075
>lmao just hit M2 for a "Get out of jail free" card haha
Kill yourself.

>>383294075
just give him a speed boost and let him teleport.
fuck, it's not good for anything else besides quick spurts of mobility, just remove the damage reduction.

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>>383294075
>thinking nerfing the single biggest crutch is bad

>>383294173
If you were having trouble with spies because of DR you really do need to git gud

>>383294075
good spys never used the DR at any point since it came into being .IW or go kill yourself

>Machina ignores damage resistances on full charge
or
>sniper rifles ignores damage resistances on full charge

>>383294075

The Inviswatch is way better, though I love the look of the DR and the chaos it creates.

>>383294135
If you knew how to use a shotgun you could easily defend your sentry against 1 guy. If you get detroyed by a team well fuck, get your own team to help you.

This aint no war for a lone wolf.

>>383294326
Explain to me then how you track a Spy that just fucked up his backstab and should right be punished, who just hits M2 to run away with what's essentially an invincibility shield, a speed boost, and fire immunity for 3 fucking seconds.

>>383294251
yeah you should rework it so its not braindead easy to use instead of just making it used less often.

its like giving someone an auto kill but putting it on a cooldown to balance it.

fuck what am I saying, thats just overwatch.

>>383294135
>I should be able to solo kill a sentry by myself
But everyone can already do that, I don't even know why people complain about engineer standing far away with RR since his sentry is exposed to any spy and snipers can take out that engineer easily.

>>383294425
sentry is designed to stop lone wolfs, rescue ranger doesn't stop pushes.

its like the deadringer at most where it lets the engineer escape with the gear but they aren't affecting you for a short period.

This nerf doesn't change that at all and it actually removes the skill and utility that it had for non turtling engineers.

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>>383294075
>there are people in this world who cant use invis watch

>>383294581
People seem to think they just deserve the sentry kill.

Like heaven forbid the engineer has the perfect setup to stop you from mindless shooting down a sentry gun because you press period and then 2/4

>/v/s opinions about tf2
trash

>>383294075

the dead ringer gave you a bad habit anon


but what if the DR was spy's 5th slot?

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>>383294730

>>383294503
Spies shouldn't even be getting close enough to you to backstab you. If this happens you need more situational awareness.
Once they hit M2, just follow the most obvious path you'd use to get away from the scene and spam shotty/rockets/bombs/whatever.
If you're playing pyro Dead ringer is hilariously easy to counter. Just airlock him and keep m1 pressed down lmao

if 7, tonight is the night

>>383254643
STER

New Yer

>you will only disguise when you're at respawn
>respawn will take away your disguise anyways
>you have to sit on an ammo pack with full cloak, which is a rarity because you drain your entire cloak in 5 seconds and it takes 10 seconds to recharge
>so when you disguise you basically have to wait for the metal to spawn again
>now you can walk around invisible for 5 seconds

>>383258595
soldier
because rocket jumping in TF2 is arguably one of the best things in video games, and the only reason to even play this game at this point.

>>383295318
oh and every half metal ammo box is only 2 seconds of invis time

>>383295140
>Spies shouldn't even be getting close enough to you to backstab you. If this happens you need more situational awareness.
This sounds like you are trying to say Spies should be completely useless in any situation. As if good Spies don't know how to time their decloak and approach to you while you are distracted with something more important.

>Once they hit M2, just follow the most obvious path you'd use to get away from the scene and spam shotty/rockets/bombs/whatever.
So nothing, because again, Spy gets damage resistance and a speed boost that makes nearly every class incapable of chasing.

>If you're playing pyro Dead ringer is hilariously easy to counter. Just airlock him and keep m1 pressed down lmao
Airlock him how? Unless you can airblast him into a wall, the airblast is just going to push him further away from you and make it easier for him to get away from you.

>>383255224

Because Valve doesn't make games anymore?
Because Matchmaking was and has been shit?
That the game is 10 years old now and better shooters exist?

>>383288369
I dropped it right around End of the Line since that update was absolutely shameless. I've picked it up recently since I wanted to play on some custom maps though.

>>383288112
Fuck. I meant The Classic.

Remember when the 2nd engy on your team actually tried to cover your weakpoint?

or like how the medic and heavy and pyro would all watch your gear, and utilize the best ground on the map?

remember when spies used to work with you whenever you were distracting someone, and not just look for stair stabs?

>>383297580
I remember it because it happened a week ago.

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>join game
>all white/blue badges on your team
>all red/purple badges on opposite team
>leave game

>>383291076
>>383290950
I fucking hate pauling and these lines make me hate her and ashly birch more.

>game only balances out when someone on your team leaves

>>383287709
Well I suppose considering there's no sink for metal to go out of the system aside from a crafting system no one uses, metal is just going to get cheaper and cheaper

>>383287709
How is this bad? With some digging around, you can spend two fiddy and get several complete loadouts.

>>383288112
To be honest, it does have a problem. Unless you are going to run it literally 100% of time, you will find yourself making small, but painful mistakes here and there, because rocket is being shot from middle of screen when you use Original and from right/left with all other lawnchairs.
This messes up rocket jumps, makes difference when fighting around corners and so on. It's like sitting on new bicycle.

>>383299583
its actually insane how you can shoot at sentries around a corner.
and this depends completely on which side your standing.

like soldier just straight up has a disadvantage and advantage based on left or right.

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>>383258595
he's fun and reliable

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>>383297865
>join game
>play in it
>lose one round
>half the team leaves

>>383299994
>soldier just straight up has a disadvantage and advantage based on left or right.
Not if you use the original.

>>383300457
With original you never have the advantage of 100% hidden corner peeking, just a neutral situation on both sides.

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>Use the Original so much that when I attempt to use other rocket launchers I always blow myself up on corners

>>383257130
The game wasn't meant to have deathmatch maps, let alone any of the custom modes people have made over the years. Do you bitch about them?

>>383300808
There's no real need to change your habits, original and stock are the best anyway.

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>>383284296
>stop that tank mode has no upgrades

>tfw tricking a popularized server into playing and enjoying Hydro

>>383293614
>>383293809
what did they do to community servers?

>>383302005
They released a horrible matchmaking system and all the servers died.

>>383302131
Oh that. I tried it a little, then I realized doing their "elite" matchmaking doesn't do a damn thing for me.

I mean there are some still there. Which is good.

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Just showing this TF2 Weapon on /v/ may or may not make Someone ecatulate

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>>383290321
>combine two servers with low players after the end of a match
how hard would it be to implement this
pic related is from firebase

No surprise it was nerfed. It prevented soldiers from racking up points. Can't have that.

>>383255503
soldiers healing with the black box with no downsides

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>>383288369
Stopped playing after they nerfed the Croc o Style. Ruined the low health kill counter I had because I used it as 'good snipers I fucked over with headshot immunty ' counter.

>>383297580
>playing payload CP Dustbowl
>me and 1 other engi
>he has a sentry covering the point
>my sentry is forward, covering where everyone is coming in
>ranking up kills
>he moves his sentry next to mine
>spy almost backcaps us

what happened to having sense in this gamn

>>383255503
You're giving up the shotgun and making your vulnerable. The Rescue Ranger has ammo and a reduced heal rate. It can't knock off sappers. It allows the engineer to be more mobile and to be creative with sentry and dispenser placements. Why should it take ammo and metal?

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TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT

>>383304515
Nigga it's a Saturday. Next week. Maybe.

>>383265418
>>383265589
What he probably meant to say is, that it doesn't change anything about what Valve says they perceived as a problem; which is sitting on your dispenser, away from the sentry, and spamming fixing darts.
It instead punishes aggressive sentry placement, when was that a problem? It's effectively just lowering engi's skill cap.

Same kind of "fix" as
>Ambassador headshots are a problem
>so we make them random
Doesn't fix the problem, just changes the weapon, for the worse arguably.

>>383302493
>soldierfags still mad

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>>383287709
>Tfw I stopped playing in 2013
>Tfw I kept telling people that key inflation was a self fulfilling prophecy that would cause refined metal to be literally worthless in a few years

>>383254643
Good