What is the cancer killing video games?

>>383243218
/v/ and neogaf

>>383243218

Nothing because vidya has never been better

>>383243218
No games machines like the Switch.

Early Access

>>383243218
>(((publishers)))

smartphone

>>383243218
everyone born after 1995

FPBP

Nintendo's gimmick strategy

DLC. It gives every dev an excuse to release an unfinished game.

early access for pc and casual movie games for consoles.

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>>383243218
loot crates

>>383243218
Corporations

Microtransations

>>383243218
normie casuals, honestly. vidya's become too popular and now developers are appealing to that market.

>>383243218
businessman thinking that gaymen is the same as selling cars
they have no idea what it is, that's why E3 and similar events are so awkward and embarrassing

Catering to normies, casuals, people that don't even play vidya, just look at what kind of degenerate fucks play videogames now, all you have to do is check out the /v/ catalog

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>>383243218

>>383243218
me

>>383243450
t. born 1995

RPG elements.

Why the fuck does a racing game have EXP and leveling up?

Feminism and casualization

>>383243719
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning_chamber

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Greedy Triple-A Publishers prioritizing sales over quality, forcing Microtransactions, Season Passes, day 1 DLC and every anti-consumer other bullshit we hate to coax normies into giving them more $$$.

The trinity of evil, Activision, EA and Ubisoft are most guilty of this.

crypto coin miners buying up graphics cards
seriously fuck you guys I was about to upgrade

Streamlining experiences
Adding diversity when it wasn't originally part of the plot.
Season Passes
Early Access
Mobile Gaming

I'm sure there is more I can't think of atm.

>>383243218
people who support blizzard, valve, microsoft, ubisoft, EA

>>383243218
The economic crash from ages ago screwed the gaming industry over.
>PS1 and PS2 libraries were diverse as fuck
Once the economy crashed big companies stopped taking risks in order to cut costs.
Its much less risky to sell remakes that you know people will buy.
Same goes for Mario Kart 8s and Tekken 7s (just being a newer version of shit people already know)

Fresh ideas are few and far between nowadays.
You should see the sheer number of monster hunter clones that exist.

Same thing happened with movies though. Who wants a fucking new superhero movie or a 3d animated one?

Shits getting stale that's the real issue.

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>>383243851
>mfw I've spent over 1k in CS GO
haha fuck you anon

>>383243851
Rockstar and Naughty Dog are good. Everything else is just a guilty pleasure.

>>383243841
>Adding diversity when it wasn't originally part of the plot.
Wait so whites are given free passes but if you want anything else you have to ham-fist some narrative in there to justify it? Why?
>Mobile gaming
*Social games

>>383243218
lazy greedy developers
casuals
consoles
gaming "journalism"

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>>383243982
>calling Rockstar good after GTA Online and the modding fiasco
I thought they were genuinely the only good AAA dev left. This was until GTAO came around and it was evident they turned to the pay2win method. Expect RDR2 and GTA6 to be like this as well.

>>383243218

1 - The players.

They are too dumb to realize that they can boycott companies and get actual good games.

2 - Marketing.

Marketing and especially the ONLINE aspect has evolved so much in the last few years. Companies can easily create hype and make people pre-order games before showing a single gameplay sequence.

They then deliver poorly-optimized and boring games--often by recycling old game assets--and they don't care... because they already made profit from pre-orders alone!

All this can be easily stopped, if you, dumb cunts, wait for the release before buying.

>>383243218
consoles

>>383244270
fucking dumbass how am i going to get the special costume if i dont preorder

>>383244063
>Wait so whites are given free passes but if you want anything else you have to ham-fist some narrative in there to justify it? Why?
why dont black developers create games centered about black culture, then you can ask the same question what would a white person do for example in the middle of medieval Uganda-like country in Africa, like when CDPR had to shoehorn black people in the middle of medieval Poland-like european country

>>383244293
consoles are the ultimate leisure bridge into video games. if you want to get serious about this hobby,then of course go for the pc but I always laugh about the hypocrisy. mustards claim that consoles limit the market,and their ideal solution is limiting the market by abolishing consoles

>>383244487
I, for one, can't wait to storm the beaches of Normandy as a strong, independent black woman.

>>383244487
So whites can do anything but blacks have to be about black culture? Why can't everyone just be allowed to be everywhere? Remember I'm not advocating any kind of proactive or forceful quotas; you're just saying that white has to be the default and I think that's a little bullshit. If a black developer (what the fuck is a black developer?) wants to make a game about white people they should be able to. What's your deal, dude?

>>383243218
Easiest and simplest answer. making and playing video games is now almost never done for fun, it's done to make money.

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>>383243218
Greed and laziness
>early access
>encouraging people to pre-order
>micro transactions
>half assed DLC
>half assing games because they know they'll still make plenty of money
>more I cant think of at the moment
Though the big publishers are more responsible for a lot of shit

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>>383243218
Capitalism

/v/
Nintendo
Rushing publishers

>>383245042
Oh and pre-purchasing

everything

wait 1000~ years for a good video game

>>383243218
The players, honestly. The vast majority of the vidya demographic is far too easy to manipulate into extracting money from.

>>383243218
Optimism.

The difficulty
Every single game is fucking dark souls and the games are literally unplayable

>>383243218
Microtransactions. Everything from indie to AAA shit have loot crates or some other way to nickle and dime people.

>>383243218
Opinionated dullards with internet access

>>383245253
s-shut the fuck up its optional dude!

>>383245029
I hope this is bait. Because they wouldn't even exist without capitalism.

Video games are quite literally the best example of the continuous stupidification of consumerism. Paying +$60 just for escapism(and escapism that mostly involves just jumping around and fighting/shooting people) is the new low of consumerism.
That people actually care about politics in this thing, is probably the most mind numbingly stupid thing I've encountered in 30 years.

>>383243961
you need to be 18 to post here

>>383245350
It is pathetic how many people are willing to defend developers with that excuse. They are so used to being fucked over by developers that to them it is somehow okay since it is cosmetic content and "doesn't effect gameplay".

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>extremely vocal white turboautists who get triggered whenever they get reminded women and minorities exist

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>>383243961
>frogposter is a fucking moron
Who woulda thunk

>>383245029
>t. ANTIFA

>>383245597
If that bother you that much you can go back to neogaf.

>>383245597
>women and minorities exist
Don't joke about that shit. They are, luckily, just a myth.

>>383245615
>thinks im a moron
>doesnt even know that even though I spent 1k my inventory is worth about 50 dollars because Ive made some bad decisions

>>383243218
The root of it is the expansion of the 'walled garden' model, as exemplified by consoles. This creates the space for all the shitty anti-competitive/anti-consumer practices that have come to define the console-focused AAA publishers, eg. DLC and preorder insanity, arbitrary exclusivity, encouragement of irrationally high profit expectations leading to the destruction of anything of real value in favor of the next lower-common-denominator shitfest (eg. Deus Ex getting killed off, despite being profitable, in favor of Marvel movie licensed game shovelware).

Of course REALLY the root of it is the consumer, aka you faggots who jump at all this vacuous shit. Whether you're a weeb cunt who has to have the latest panty quest shit and nostalgia farming shit, or a nigger chad who just wants his sports and shooter couch vidya and has active disdain for consideration of anything, if you own a console it's YOUR FAULT.

>>383245360
haha yeah, i've even heard rumors that there are websites dedicated to discussing games! how absurd!!

>>383243218
Marxism

>>383245029
More like pure profit.
First devs were pretty much pioneers from small companies trying to make themselves a name. They had genuine passion for their art. Here we get some really good games with very imaginative ideas. Many of them were shit too because of lack of technique and funds. It was a relatively small business just for nerds and losers, but some good money could be made of it.

Second wave was a bit mixed with people who could do business who directed the guys who loved to create good games. THAT is where the golden age was at: people with money supporting good ideas and turning them into gold. This was so successful it drew too much attention. Then the last stage began.

Third stage is just marketeers selling products. Quality is not that important anymore. Hype and pandering to the right people is what makes normies buy. The audience is broad and the broad audience is dumb and can't be that specific anymore. Most people don't want a masterpiece. They don't need immersion or atmosphere or music, not amazing and innovative mechanics. They want graphics and casual fun with instant rewards and nothing too hard to master, maybe some celebrities and voice-acting. And they get it. Muh SJW boogeyman happens because being a SJW is THE trend. 4chan pretty much broke that trend, it's no longer that cool. Times are changing, but it's all the same: normies normying and sellers selling. Be glad we can have some hidden pearls every now and then.

>>383246047
Your inv is only worth $50 now as well?
Were you born this retarded or did they teach it to you at school?

>>383246224
I-I'm not retarded, everyone makes mistakes...

>>383243218
Instant gratification

>>383246206
This describes it perfectly.

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>>383246224
>>383245615
forgot to mention that this isnt even counting the money I spent on my old account, it may be up to 1.5k for all i know

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>>383246206
More or less this.

There is nothing wrong with making money through creating good video games. The downfall happened when companies started prioritizing profits and began treating video games as nothing more but a means to make money. Nearly everything wrong with the industry these days stems from this core issue.

>>383244751
God I hope that happens.

>>383246548
It reminds me of people making art just for the sake of selling it for shitloads of money, or to try and virtue signal. theirs no heart blood and soul in the thing you made, no creativity.

>>383246512
At the very least tell me you didn't lose it on gambling.

>>383243218
Ubisoft, Early Acess, SJW shit in games, Cinematic Garbage from Sony games, Nintendo.

>>383246512
Jesus Christ dude. Are you at least decently well-off? I'd feel like killing myself if I made the mistakes you have

Shit, I feel like a dumb faggot for buying a 1060 with the expectation of it being paid for with eth mining

>>383246682
We wuz rangers n sheeit

>>383246787
yeah i am, 1k isnt that big of a deal

>>383246854
If you buy the FO4 season pass for me I'll tell you a funny joke...

>>383246695
no i would buy new knives then get bored of them then sell them on market place and valve takes 15 percent so thats a lot of money taken away on an expensive item so i buy a new cheaper knife to keep myself entertained and the cycle continued

>>383246962
no i spend my money on hardware now
im one of those people that buys a new mouse every month to find one thats perfect

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>>383243218
>game designers who think consumers enjoy their social politics/forced diversity rather than tolerate it
>bloated budgets and timelines for games gutting the A and AA markets, leaving us with a choice between indieshit or 3-year dev cycle AAA garbage that's homogenised as fuck because it needs to be safe profit because of the massive budget and marketing costs it had
>too many otherwise privately-owned dev studios are basically owned by publically-traded companies, forcing profit to take priority over making a good game
>sales model of the industry now relies almost solely on marketing to sell a game and make residual money through DLCs, when the old model used to be 'make a good game, generating hype and sales for the sequel/next game'
Take your pick.

>>383247003
Might be retarded but hey look on the bright side, at least you didn't lose it on gambling. Still better than most of those other idiots that gamble it away.

>>383246748
>Nintendo.
desu they're the ones sticking to the basics: doing things for kids that adults would love and enjoy as well. They don't try to compete with graphics or fps, and that's actually a good thing, as it makes them stand out without going full profit.

This has changed relatively recently, but at least they still remember all the good shit they've done and occasionally expand on it with good games and innovation.

>>383247092
So you really are an idiot. /v/ sure is diverse.

>>383243218
4chan. Notice how video games started going to shit after 4chan started?

>>383243218
Honestly pirates.

>>383247401
> desu they're the ones sticking to the basics: doing things for kids that adults would love and enjoy as well

it's called being casuals and it's bad for actual gamers

>>383247358
i lost 80 dollars to gambling though
it was some shit forest ddpat m9 bayonet

Early access and crowd funding. We've gotten good things out of it but there's so many secs working on trash that could have ended up in AA studios that make hidden gems. Creativity needs scrutiny.

Microtransactions, DLC becoming a standard, preorder craze. Games should just cost $70 at this point. If devs can't get a full return from a $60 investment then they'll just crack what should be free content and charge more for it anyway. DLC should just be proper expansions like Episode II type games.

Tablets. They've completely shattered the fun pieces of shit movie tie in games from the 90s and early 2000s. The overall pool of games we can play has just shrunk dramatically. Its indie or AAA hell hole.

Diminishing returns in hardware and visuals. We're spending far more time, money, and resources on making prettier games we've all played before than better games with 10% worse visuals.

>>383243218
Money and politics
Everybody either wants to make the next big thing and get rich off a single game or they stuff their game full of shitty political opinions in hopes of selling millions based on their amazingly wonderful political views and opinions

>>383247564
Early Access=pirates
Microtransactions and dlc because of pirates.

>>383243218

Mobile phone platforms.
Season passes and the people who buy into them giving companies interest free loans.
Day 1 DLC and cut content to be sold as content packs later after finding out the data is already within the game and you are paying for a key.
Games being designed to "appeal to a wider audience" which can actually be done well without sacrificing quality but in 90% of cases it means removing key aspects of what made the game/franchise good in the first place and alienating original fanbase.
Microtransactions out the wazoo and people who buy into them.

>>383247508
What constitutes a game/gamer being casual to you?

>>383243218
so called enthusiast who are too lazy to make the games they want to play, leaving the competition dominated by soulless for-profits

>>383247508
Not really. They do what they did in the past. That's precisely why BotW has kicked Horizon's ass. Horizon was sold as "mature experience for mature gamers! In this world woman can also be great!" I'm not bullshitting you. By trying to sell a game like this they pretty much prove it's not worth my time.

>>383247904
Pretty sure they're neck and neck around 4m in sales. And sales are the metric of success in this industry.

>>383243218
Complaining about the cancers killing video games

>>383243218

Niggers.

>>383247971
>And sales are the metric of success in this industry.
You first go full "real gamers such as myself" and then you go with "muh sales" as a metric of success.
Whether you see it or not you are part of the problem.

>>383243218
Those idiots that use the term "bad design" as if they knew what they are talking about.

>>383248273
Nigger I'm not him and I'm a bigger drone than you. But it's common sense that the content that sells best will be the content that gets made. In an industry that opens it's wallets for FIFA, CoD, and TLOU, that's the games we'll be getting.

HZD was a success in sales, there's a market for it. Don't like it? Buy something else.

>>383243218

Social justice.

The biggest PC games being CSGO, overwatch, ASSFAGGOTS and MMOS

>>383248503
That what he did.

>>383247508
every gamer starts as a casual
>inb4 not me I was playing dark souls while in the womb

>>383243218
>full price on early acces
>toxic community
>overpriced dlc
>pay to enjoy the game (aka pay to win)
>hackers and bad anti-cheats
dunno, you tell me, OP...

>>383248649
If high sales isn't what makes a game successful then what is?

Games are fine.
What might be killing some games is the pandering to vocal minorities who probably won't even buy your game because they're busy being angry on the internet.
Hopefully the game developers wise up and do not the vocal minorities insanity affect them too.

>>383243218
Weebs

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It's a "when are you going to stop beating your wife" question. If you don't acknowledge the premise, you can't answer the question.

>>383249095
Vampire the Masquerade, Ocarina of Time, Metal Gear Solid, Morrowind... those games you can replay again and again. Some of them may have been big hits, some others may have crashed its company, but they stand the test of time. They were great back then and are great still now, or have something memorable about it. Same with movies and literature. Some always good, some are worth a try at least once, many are overhyped trash.

>>383249035
That's some fat fucking bullshit.
If you started gaming in the 90s even, you were a hardened warrior by 2000. There were very few casual experiences.
Games got progressively easier with time, because easy games sell more, because people feel good when they win and they're too stupid to figure out they literally cannot lose (fuck you FFXV).

>>383248256
this.
why do niggers post so many shit reaction movies?
ANSWER: Even chimps can.

Anti-E-Sports sentiments.
Only kikes and useful idiots are not with E-Sports.

>>383243218
gamers

>>383246548
>nothing wrong with making money
>prioritizing profits (is bad)

>>383243218
Corporatism and mobile gaming

SJWs
Feminists
Western movie games

>>383243218
humanity

>>383250119
>SJWs
>Feminists
these 2 have never influenced vidya aside from a few obscure titles

>>383250013
Corporatism wouldn't be that bad without consumerism (which wouldn't be needed without capitalism).

>>383250350
I am referring to corporations blindly trying to increase stock price, which can sometimes lead to bad games and bad pricing politics (e.g day 1 DLC, microtransations).

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>>383243218
A few things.
>devs jumping into saturated markets(moba)
>mobile normalfag shit
>VR distracting devs while barely anybody owns one
>4k panel retailers forcing the console makers to keep 30fps if they want to hit that res
>Devs listening to a vocal minorty of SJW and flooding our escapism with real world issues
>said sjw not just pulling a japan and making something they like instead
>Too much multiplayer focus chasing whales
>Over reliance on RNG mechanics
>Too many collectables and checklist gaming
>Procedural generation and nothing else
>Survival games without a win state

The mainstream.

Games are so dumbed down and simple now. What was once a hobby of the reclusive intellectual elite now is infested with chads and women.

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>>383249696
>tfw he's so underaged he doesn't vape

>>383243385
You don't have to buy them and they give small studios of sometimes less than 5 people an opportunity in the market. There is scam though. Just be an informed consumer and resist buying a shit game, one of your friends tries to convince you to.

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>>383243218
Catering to the YouTube/Twitch crowd

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>>383251046
>intellectual elite

>>383243823
This was pretty much the case with HITMAN, Mankind Divided and Nier a tomato PC port. They could've been much better games if Square Enix wasn't such a shit publisher.

the left is responsible for everything wrong with the world desu. Liberals ruined my life and I aint even american

big corps

>>383251989
I think you mean 'pandering' to the x y

>>383249976
It's one thing to want to create a good product or service because you like it, and receive compensation in exchange. It's another thing to create a product or service with the sole purpose of making a profit without caring about the quality of the product or service itself. Wealth should be a nice bonus on top of doing something that you already want to do, not the primary purpose in itself.

>>383243218
SJWs

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Western games "we want the casualfag female/ethnic/essjaydub audience"

Japanese games "we want the phone eternal grind or gambling scam simulator with cute anime girl cards audience"

Devs that get intimidated by fat people with rainbow hair.

>>383254805
dibs on #2.

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Pre- orders, even digital pre -orders on consoles and the pathetic twats that fall for it. Early Acess bullshit on pc. Shoe-horning races in games that were never even in the fucking source material. Last but not least, SJW's the true cancer thats being allowed to have too much of a say when in reality they should be told to shut the fuck up and go suck on their vinegar soaked dummies in the corner >.<

>>383243218
Developers no longer care about their own vision, modern game development is all about following a checklist of recent fads e.g. padding game time with filler content, low effort content that adds nothing of value but can be controlled through a mobile app, open-world, multiplayer integration, pretty graphics.

>>383243218
Jews.

>>383243218
The inability of understanding what made a game great.
Like a clockwork, every great game gets all its bad parts copied, while the good parts get tossed in the garbage, with sometimes a good part being subverted in the process.
Collection system from mario 64, sneaking mini game with reset on sight of Mario 64, QTEs from shenmue, Auto recharging shield from halo (that got further subverted and turned into auto recharging life)...
And as the pile of mistakes accumulate, the games get worse.

gaming is fine. The only people complaining are old people glorying the old days just like old people do with everything. The real cancer would be nostalgia if you ask me.

>>383245597
>generic blank slate protagonists so the majority of the audience can project onto them
>this is bad because we need token minorities for no reason other than to say they exist

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>>383243982
>Naughty Dog
>interactive movie garbage
>good

>>383243218
Steam.

>>383243218
1) Souls fanbase
2) Open world games
3) SJW bullshit.

Gaming is dead because devs don't care about gameplay. They care about rehashing concepts we've all seen before with a new coat of paint in whatever trend is cool.

3rd person open world with "deep" stories. I don't care how much fun it is or how many hours it is or how much content it is, it's the equivalent of a capeshit film.

-The Open World game type cancer
-The Level system cancer
-The Pay 2 Win cancer
-The Level Up gameplay cancer
-The Nudity censoring cancer
-The Feminism/Sjw cancer
-The Developer incompetence and lying cancer
-The All-games-must-be-appropritate-also-to-kids cancer
-The Bad community cancer
-The Russkies suka blyat cancer
- The E-sports cancer (terminal)
-The YouTuber cancer
-The """"Muh Competitive Gameplay""""" cancer
-The 2d shitty Smartphone games cancer
-The Early Access cancer
-90% indie games cancer
-Purchasable weapon skins cancer
-The Every-game-needs-to-have-niggers-otherwise-it's-absolutely-racist-game cancer
-Microtransucktions cancer
-The "Preorder to have more features than the release!" cancer
-Developer laziness cancer
-The Neogaf cancer
-The Twitch cancer
-The Multiculturalism cancer
-Console cancer
-EA cancer

>>383258247
>Souls fanbase is killing gaming
Even if you hate souls and it's shitty fanbase I don't know how you could possibly convince yourself this.

>>383258360
All correct

>>383256732
This.
And Day One Patches.

Remember when we would get games and if
they were broken, they would stay that way?

I mean I like that companies can patch their
bugs out easier now. But somethings up if
there are day one patches imo.

>>383243218
dlc
kikes

>>383243218
Grimoire not releasing.

>>383243218
Nintendo. They've managed to add microtransactions to the board game Monopoly.

>>383256315
>know I'm going to get the game the day it comes out
>HURR YOU'RE STUPID FOR KNOWING WHAT YOU WANT

>>383259351
incentivizing early purchases with preorder dlc is cancer
mainly because almost all games that come out these days are unfinished pieces of shit

>>383243218
SJWs wanting everyone except white people to be represented in vidya.

>>383259541
Yes, AND?

If you were going to get the game Day 1 anyway, what is the fucking difference? Aside from the fact that I saved 20% by preordering from Amazon.

Overwatch

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>>383243218
Political propagandan and the morons defending it

Activision. Fucking Activision.

>>383259638
there is nothing wrong with wanting to buy the game early
what actually is the problem is removing content from the core game and making it preorder exclusive content
this is the real cancer

>>383259889
So say THAT, dipshit. There's nothing wrong with PREORDERING. The problem is PREORDER CULTURE.

>>383243218
Liberal normies

>>383243218
The demand for stories over gameplay.

Consoles
/thread

>>383258360
>forgetting the br huehue cancer
>forgetting the mods will fix it cancer
>forgetting the blizzard cult cancer

>>383243218
Nothing's killing video games. The biggest "issue" is the belief that something is, but it's really a non-issue anyway.

>>383260119
Conservacuck normies

Multiplayer focused games, split screen disappearance, obligatory online connection.

>>383243218
F2P games. Simple ones like Candy Crush or Clash of Clans. They show big developers that microtransactions make money. This leads to games like GTA Online, and the state CoD is in now.

Whats worse is its essentially our own fault. We spend the money on the shit and then complain it existed in the first place

>>383243218
Modding

>>383243218
Steam.

>>383243218
>media
>publishers
>developers
>politics/identity
>brand loyalists who defend all of the above
>low budget brazil shitters

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>>383243218

liberal normies and pandering to mongrels with low IQs

I preferred the game design of the 1980s "What's that? You're too retarded to get passed level 1? Too bad loser, take a hike"

>>383262506
>defending shit game design
Yeah, no.

>>383243218
Pre Orders.

EAs Battlefront immediately comes to mind. They showed a trailer with like 2 levels, and fuck it looked great. They had an open beta, and fuck it looked great. So you know tons of mother fuckers pre ordered that shit. Now EA is looking at all their pre existing sales like "fuck it, just release half the game now, sell the rest later"

Boom money. Sure they got backlash, but they got even more money. Now look at BF2. You know not everyone learned their lesson. And stupid people are actually believing EA is not going to add DLC. Same shit all over again.