Oddworld Creator Lorne Lanning “Has No Faith” In Switch

Why did you post this?

>>383224410
>video game creator talk his point of view of a video games console
I dont know man, why would I post that here?

Why are American game developers such smarmy up their own ass jackholes?

>>383224346
Why should I agree with an irrelevant game developer?

Why do nintendo fans like Iwata so much?

>>383224643
>a wizard at codding
>worked his way up from the lowest you can start in a game studio
>saved pokemon Gen 2
Its a mystery

>I don’t have faith. I have no faith. It’s due to experience. I see a similar level of success than they had with previous generations. Wii U, Wii. By the end of the life of the Wii, who else was making money aside from Nintendo? How many titles sold for the Wii that weren’t Nintendo first-party? They started basically evaporating third party support. We get to Wii U – same, no third party support.
>You would think, OK, the Switch, it’s mobile, this is interesting, how well are other developers going to bring titles over – not very well because you’re going to have to spend more time, energy and effort to get it on that console – an underpowered console that’s going to have fewer units in the market.
Is he right?

>>383224346
>oddworld
Never heard of it.
Why should I give a fuck what this guy says?

>>383224729
Other than Pokemon, it doesn't sound like he did anything too outstanding.

>>383224643
He was genuinely a good guy

>>383224346
This is the same man who aesthetically trampled all over his own creation in the form of New and Tasty. He's a great artist but that's all, and his opinions literally don't matter.

>>383224346
I have faith that no publisher will ever make another Oddworld game.

>>383224815
earthbound you nigger

>>383224747
depends.

on that only Nintendo made money out of Wii and WiiU, likely a lie, Ask Ubisoft

On the switch, sales speak for emselves

>>383224815
>earthbound
>Ballon Fighter
>DS family
>Wii
nigger

>>383224553

>American

>>383224875
>>383224986
So shit games?

>>383224346
who?

>>383224346

Watch as Nintendo fanboys attack the person or the games he made instead of tackling his arguments against the previous and current Nintendo hardware from the point of view of a developer.

>>383224747
Nothing wrong there
Nintendo is known to treat third party like shit and porting games to hardware so weak is something most devs will not do

>>383225085
>instead of tackling his arguments
>guy cant even get the RAM right of the Switch
what arguments?

Yeah but he's pretty odd guy don't trust him

>>383224747

The third party devs who didn't make shovelware could still make money on the Wii.

Sadly they were big fans of making cheap garbage then get surprised when it doesn't sell.

On The Wii U they ported 2 year old games at full price and once again are surprised when they don't make money.

Honestly shocking.

>>383224346
> dev never cared about nintendo enough to make games for them
> made 5 niche games wish shitty controls
Why should I care what this guy says?

Why should I care what this guy says?

Nintendo consoles are for 12 and under crew.

>>383225181

If you, for example, make one mistake in an essay, it doesn't invalidate all you wrote.

Why are you trying to make it like his whole argument was about RAM?

>>383225085

>guy can't even argue with correct information

Woah better take this guy seriously

>>383224346
How would Nintendo's thinking kill Iwata? Is he saying they assassinated him?

>>383225230

Please, give us two (2) third party developers that made money with Wii games. I'll wait.

>>383225230
Pretty much
The Wii was painfully weak so you got shitty versions of games at full price that didn't sell
Same thing that happened with WiiU will happen with the switch pretty much

>>383225246
>so assblasted he's shitting to oddsworld
Disgusting

>>383225403

Ubisoft Capcom

Eat shit

>>383225403
Ubisoft made a fucking killing with Just Dance.

>>383225291
>make one mistake in an essay, it doesn't invalidate all you wrote.
you clearly have never make a an Essay for a thesis then

>>383224346
It literally does not matter what this guy says or thinks. The Switch will succeed or fail regardless of his opinion and right now, it's succeeding.

>>383225316

I could also point out the lack of punctuation in your post to ignore everything you wrote, but that would make me an ignorant person.

Be better.

>>383225531
Why is it selling less than a 3-year-old console then?

>>383224346
>Wii and WiiU were failures cause only Nintendo made money out of it
Nintendo should've given money randomly to other people? Aren't Nintendo the sole creators of the consoles?

>>383225432

Capcom?

>>383225475

I said two.

>>383224346
Reminder that this guy is a MASSIVE communist and SJW.

>>383225291
If that mistake is part of the core of your argument then fuck yes it matters

>>383224643
I don't, he may have been a good codemonkey but he was an awful president who only made money by tapping into the casual gimmicks and was lucky it was before smartphones exploded in popularity.

>>383225403
>Ubisoft
>Capcom
>Sega
BLOW ME

>>383225605
Because they had 3 years to sell more consoles?

>>383225605
It's not. You can post 1 week of vgcharts from 2 months ago all you like, that isn't going to change the fact that Switch is selling at the fastest pace of consoles out right now.

>>383225620
nice completely irrelevant information

>people ITT literally shit talking the God himself, Lorne lanning

Fucking disgusting

>>383225615

Ever heard of monster hunter?

EA and Activision also made money, so did Disney with Epic Mickey

>>383225089
>porting games to hardware so weak is something most devs will not do

Doesn't stop them from porting to xbone at 900p sub 30fps. Just shows third party devs are lazy as fuck.

>>383225629

Switch's RAM wasn't the core of his argument. The core of his argument is that developers aren't interested in working with the Switch long-term, because there's no return and is too much effort.

>>383225291

He's also wrong about third parties be a use loads of them sold lots of software on Wii. Ubisoft's just Dance had more success on Wii later in the system's life than Nintendo's later releases. He also incorrectly implied that the Wii wasn't a success before moving his goal post to third party sales, which he was wrong about.

He also launched a port of a remake 1 year late and expected Nintendo to advertise it over actual new indie games. He's either bitter or stupid.

>>383225608
He means 3rd party developers didn't see much return on making Wii/WiiU ports.

>>383225615
Okay, Activision made a large amount of money from multiple games such as Spiderman and Angry Birds

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>>383224553
>American
Obsessed to the brink of madness, shitskin.

>>383224747
Hmm... it's almost like you can't make money on Nintendo consoles if you don't develop for them.

Really makes you think.

>>383225765
Oddworld hasn't been relevant since the 90's lol.

>>383225403
Ubisoft, Capcom, Activision, Sega, Square Enix, EA, Atlus, basically every game developer who ever shat out a minigame collection

>>383225615
>Capcom?
RE4 and Wii has has the most successful Monster Hunter on consoles in the west ever

>>383225792

Meanwhile Bomberman already made good money.

>>383225765
>defending commie devs
Waypoint is that way >>>>>>>>>>>

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>>383225851

Just like Nintendo lmao

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>>383224346
Literally no games

>>383225820
They should've made better games then.

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>>383224346
>Washed up has been doesn't like Nintendo

Nintendo BTFO

>Guy hasn't been relevant in ages
>Gives a completely biased opinion against something
"news"
>Wii/Wii U were failures because only Nintendo made money out of it
Maybe developers shouldn't make godawful ports of their games then. I'm looking at you Watch Dogs.

>>383225979
In your dreams.

>>383225661

He was a great businessman too. He actually brought HAL back from the brink of closure by taking over as CEO for 10 years before he started wor king for Nintendo.

He also pushed Nintendo to their absolute peak Console/handheld success from the lowest point they've been until recently.

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>>383225979
>The Wii doesn't exist
>the DS and 3DS doesn't exist
>The Switch doesn't exist
>Mario is not the #1 video game character of all time

>>383225291
If you can't proofread your own work why should I trust that your information is accurate?

>>383225943

Knack is a 4/10 title and it sold like crazy because it was a launch one as well. Everything sells well at launch. Disgaea, Puyo Puyo Tetris and other titles that came later and aren't made by Nintendo, though, are literally tanking.

>>383226143
Disgaea 5 did better than expected in the west though and the devs want to put more on switch

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>Nintendo killed Iwata
But seriously, this guy sounds like he has something personal against Nintendo.

>>383226082

I dream of 90s Nintendo. They have been shit since the Wii. Gamecube was okay

>>383225045
XD

>>383224346
who

>>383226143
Knack sold because it was bundled, not because it was a launch title. And even then it was just first week sales in Eurabia.

>>383224747
>an underpowered console
I don't understand this statement, all consoles are pretty bad hardware wise

>>383226143

Knack sold because it was bundled retard.

and

Puyo Puyo tetris costs $10 more on switch
Disgaea is from 2015

Those 2 games are more proof of devs being lazy

>>383224346
Isn't he an SJW?

“controversial comments“, you gotta be kidding me

so opinions on some video game console are controversial now? fuck this gay earth and everyone on it

>>383226136

If you look at things people write and stop at the first thing they got wrong, you shouldn't even be part of the conversation.

Enjoy your world of fallacies.

>>383225620
Thanks for the info you sure managed to change my opinion /pol/

>>383226143

Almost all of Knacks sales came from bundles. All of the launch PS4's in Japan came with it and 1/3 of launch PS4s in Europe came with it too.

The Switch came with no games so people went out of their way to buy Bomberman.

I loved Oddworld: Abe's Odyssy, but seriously, he's a literal who. His opinion means just as much to anyone as a /v/ shitposter's opinion.

Fucking Nintendogaf, few Oddworld games he made are better than all wahoo crap you ever got combined.

>>383224643
He saved melee with his coding skills. Also the nintendo ds/wii big hits came thanks to him.

>>383226350

>the bundle argument yet again

here we goooooo

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>>383226060
Maybe developers shouldn't make godawful ports
Cant blame them for having to work with laughably outdated hardware.

>>383224747
There are good third party games on the Wii
They didn't sell so well
There were ports of other games on the Wii U
They also didn't sell so well

Nintendo fans are staunchly anti third party

>>383226130

None of those games or systems are relevant though. Nintendo has been shit for a while. They will always push weak consoles that play the latest mario game though.

>>383226464
Sure thing commy. By the way, Neogaf loves Sony more than anything.

>>383226143
>t sold like crazy because it was a launch one as well
Knack sold well cause was a mandatory bundled in game with PS4

After all models were sold out only the Knack Bundle was available, so guess why it sold well only on the release weekend

>>383226143
None of those titles are tanking you fucking retard.

>>383226507
haha xD you sure showed him!

>>383226360
Or it could be in relation to what he said about an actual human being dying. Life with autism must suck.

>>383226340

It's the weakest by far tho.

>>383226475

You think Wii Sports would've sold 80 million if it wasn't bundled?

And he's absolutely right. Not much you can do about the moronic audience not buying anything not Nintendo though.

>>383226340
especially when it's a fucking tablet
this is Nintendo we're talking about, and this is the most powerful piece of hardware they've released in over a decade

>>383225943
And disgaea already sold more on the switch than on ps4.

>>383226413

Of course they went out of their way to get Bomberman, it was either play Zelda, which everyone bought, or something else, and there was literally NOTHING else at the store.

It's in no way different than a bundle when you have nothing else to offer to starving day 1 Switch owners other than Zelda.

People don't buy consoles only to play one game. They want more.

>>383226443
>His opinion means just as much to anyone as a /v/ shitposter's opinion.
his opinions sounds 100% like one of those

>>383226143
Didn't Disgaea 5 sell really well according to NISA?

Seriously though, about this whole 'third parties don't sell on Wii thing..." Yeah, there was a good reason for that.

https://pietriots.com/2010/12/17/the-3rd-party-wall-of-shame/

Pretty much everything they put out was shovelware. Plenty of games that weren't, like No More Heroes, did really well.

>>383226510
>There are good third party games on the Wii
>They didn't sell so well
>There were ports of other games on the Wii U
>They also didn't sell so well
Start to name em. please, be my fucking guest

>>383224346
>Oddworld
Lol. Love or hate the Switch whatever, but don't take advice about success from a has been game developer.

>>383226708

On PS4. Years ago.

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>>383226608
>"haha xD you sure showed him!"
>Not even a proper response
I wish these people could be autobanned if they've been detected visiting reddit.

>>383226510
>Nintendo fans are staunchly anti third party
I never understood this arguement. If they're anti-third party, why did the SNES had so much third party and why did it sold so well?

>>383226520
>pushing goalposts

Argument was Nintendo hasnt been relevant since the 90s and you are literally being retarded and arguing the Wii was not relevant. LMAOing at your life kiddo. Anyways your retard fucknugget candyass is in for a treat when BotW wins GOTY.

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>>383226510
>PS and XB fan know their consoles 1st IPS are most trash outside the 1 or 2 hit wonders per generation so they buy 3rd party games
>Nintendo fans have hit after hit of 1st party treasures so they prioritize em over 3rd part butchered ports

>>383226780
It sold better on switch, esp in the west

Oddworld is literally Communism: The Game.

>>383226510
But thats just it. The switch install base is different compared to the wii u 's. There are people like myself who are going to back to nintendo consoles and do purchase third party games.

>>383226619
it's the weakest out of a group of shitty hardware so i don't see the reason to point it out

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>>383226854
>Anyways your retard fucknugget candyass is in for a treat when BotW wins GOTY
Sorry but shitty horizon zero dawn got that.
>tfw you have a pc

>>383226646
>And he's absolutely right. Not much you can do about the moronic audience not buying anything not Nintendo though.
Please faggot, you know perfectly right that if Nintendo were a 3rd party its games will likely drive most 3rd party out of the market or made em fight for release schedules out of Nintendo's way

people buy Nintendo games in nintendo consoles cause usually are the better games you can get in the hardware

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>>383224643
Because he was one of the rare leader of a major game company that actually knows first hand what it's like to make a game instead of being just another businessman.

He seems to know very little about the appeal of the switch, it's funny, he sounds exactly like those nintendoomed shitposters

>>383224346
>Wii and WiiU were failures cause only Nintendo made money out of it
???

The Wii had a 9.0 attach rate, and 2/3s of the software sales on it were 3rd party.

Sure, when you put a game on a Nintendo system you've got to compete with Nintendo's games. But when you put a game on xbone/PS4, you've got to compete with GTA/Halo/Uncharted/Battlefield/CoD/FF/Destiny/etc. You can't escape competition.

>Personally, I think it killed Iwata; that he couldn’t move the organisation into a really successful arena.
I do not trust this man's medical opinion

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>>383224346
Lol Lorne Lanning, the guy who literally handed over his IP to Just Add Water who bloomed the absolute living FUCK out of it, and littered the in-game billboards with ads for their own games, not to mention an ongoing arg for the next Oddworld that's so uninteresting the social media has to solve parts of it for the community.

tldr; literal who in todays gaming industry

>ITT overweight people whose achievement in life is having completed a Mario game at one point say the opinion of a millionaire developer / creative director with 20+ years of experience, recognized as one of the smartest man in the industry by his peers, one of the most requested speakers in the Game Developers Conference, is worthless

Never change, /v/

>>383226780
I'm talking about Switch sales. I'm pretty sure the game's preorders were more than the total western PS4 sales.

>>383227013
oh damn I didn't realize that iwata was on CX

based

>>383227064
He seems pretty uninformed, even less than us. I mean even we know the ram of the switch

>>383226841
Because it was either them or SEGA
The SNES also had actual raw power behind it
Times have changed and when third parties went to other systems, the fanbase shifted opinion

>>383227008
Let's see. What were the best games on the following genres on the Wii U?

2D Platformer
Action
Fighting
Racing

>>383227048

>ignores the part about Wii U
>ignores that Nintendo saw a major drop off in Wii interest after the first years, when normies got tired of the gimmick and 3rd party developers bounced off the system, forcing a new generation (Wii U) in record time

>>383226942
>d-do I fit in yet, guys?
>d-d-do you think /pol/ will accept me? I said commie two times in one thread for no reason at all

>>383226369
>Fallacy
That is how it literally works kid. Try graduating your high school first.

>>383227219
Does it hurt knowing you like literal commy propaganda?

>>383226773
Red Steel 2 is one

>>383227064
He thinks Nintendo killed Iwata. I will question this developer's opinion.

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>>383227145
>He seems pretty uninformed, even less than us. I mean even we know the ram of the switch.
That doesn't change the fact that the switch still has massive limitations, there's no money to be made from it.

>>383227213
>gimmick

post invalidated

well this is awkward now....
https://twitter.com/OddworldInc/status/583539460912128000

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>>383227328
>there's no money to be made from it

A SINGLE FACT

>>383226507
Maybe developers should try to make their own original games for each console instead of trying to make 3 copies of 1 for maximum profits?

>>383227328
>There's no money to be made from a handheld
You're retarded.

>>383227265
Does it hurt to know you're an underage jerk with a shit taste in games? Wahoo yourself off to plebbit.

>>383227154
>Because it was either them or SEGA
>The SNES also had actual raw power behind it
Then WHY stick with Nintendo? On SEGA they wouldnt had any competition other than Sonic, seems an usual arguement is that third parties dont like competing with Nintendo, and yet they stuck with the SNES.
Not only that, but the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2 and easier to program for, and yet that didnt help to get third party support

>>383227013
this
And he did some damn fine work too, it wasn't just "he made some games" he made some GOOD games.

So yeah, third party hate thread?

The THQNordic guy said similarly retarded things about how De Blob Online was basically the same thing as Splatoon.

>>383224747
He is right about everything. Only Nintendo fanboys refuse to see that their Nintendo lives in a bubble.

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>>383227391
>maybe developers.........
You mean publishers!, Do you not understand how the business world works?

Alright /v/, alright.
One question.
Did YOU support New 'n' Tasty on the Wii U?

Hes right.

The Switch is going to be the same as the Vita, its gonna be good for first parties and Indie games.
Where the Switch and the Vita differ is that the Switch is Nintendo's home console, so its going to continue getting first party games.
I think the Switch will do fine, it will fo better then the Wiiu, but it won't do as well as the ps4 or xbone.

But thats what nintendo is, no one buys nintendo consoles for third party games, they do it for the first party ones, so whatevs.

>>383227213
>ignores the part about Wii U
Yeah, no shit. Because 3rd parties didn't make Wii U games. Kinda hard to sell what you can't make.

>ignores that Nintendo saw a major drop off in Wii interest after the first years
It didn't stop outselling the other systems until 2010
>when normies got tired of the gimmick and 3rd party developers bounced off the system
More like when HDTV proliferation increased and Nintendo stopped releasing major titles to drive growth. 3rd parties got out of it what they put in.
>forcing a new generation (Wii U) in record time
What? There were 6 years between the Wii and Wii U. Wii U to Switch was the short generation.

My primary point was that third parties are quite capable of making money off of Nintendo's systems. It's convenient that Lanning ignores their portables.

>>383226510
>Nintendo fans are staunchly anti third party
Yeah man, the reason Wii U owners refused to pay full price for a shitty port of Watch_Dog that was a year late compared to other versions but still released at full price the same week as SMASH BROS. is entirely on Nintendo fans not liking 3rd party and not Ubisoft's ass-backward decisions, same as them not buying Black Flag when it was obvious that it was a gimped port and Ubisoft themselves said they thought it was trash and wouldn't support it after launch with any further DLC. Or when Bioware released an again years late port of Mass Effect 3 (alone) (at full price) even though Nintendo fans had never had a Mass Effect game on their platform before so were likely reluctant at starting a series by its third (and publicly panned as the worst of the series) game, while AT THE EXACT SAME TIME Bioware was releasing AT A LESSER PRICE the ENTIRE TRILOGY on EVERY OTHER PLATFORMS, INCLUDING PC

But no, third parties not succeeding on Nintendo platforms is ALL on Nintendo fan and not said third parties' scummy and ass-backward maneuvers...

>>383224602
You don't have to. Reading other people's opinions shouldn't be a basis for you to form yours. You should take in information from everything you can, and then form an opinion on that, leaving room to sway back and forth depending on new information becoming available. You should not read an interview and be swayed by one person's feelings.

You as a consumer should not care what he thinks of the switch. You as a consumer should care what he as a developer sees in the potential of the switch in terms of software sales, if you care about his games.

If not, it should be irrelevant to you.

Nobody likes you Cody

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>>383227412

it's over, shitch is finished

sony won again

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>>383227530
New n Tasty came out on the Wii U? I had no fucking clue.

>>383227530
I bought it for my PC like all my third party games that "might" interest me.

>>383227134
Yep, it's the Balloon Fight episode, it's pretty good.

>>383224815
Pokemon is a pretty fucking outstanding franchise if you haven't noticed.

>>383227374
Doesn't mean he doesn't like Nintendo games. He said third-parties don't make money on it and he's right.

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>>383227374
>Another ass hurt dev shitting on Nintendo for telling them to fuck off or not just giving a fuck about them.

Why am I not surprised. Didn't all of this motherfuckers game released and only released on PS until recently? He has no rep. on Nintendo future; literally moot opinion.

>>383227458
The industry couldn't afford to jump outright avoid Nintendo platform in the early days.

I would say Playstation entering the industry, and willing to pay for support for multi plat titles, is what really caused this modern refusal to develop third party games for Nintendo platforms.

I would say Sega's role in this is establishing Nintendo's 'kiddy' image. Which isn't and never has been true.

>>383227531
>a vita that actually get first party support
That's fucking perfect.

Lorne Lanning is really charismatic, fascinating to listen to and has some great stories from his time in the industry, but if you really think about at least 50% of the stuff he says, you realise he's talking absolute bollocks.

>>383224553
OBSESSED`

>>383227397
>There's no money to be made from a handheld
Oh so now its magically a handheld now. so is that suppose to be an excuse for having shitty hardware? sorry man 2017, they need to get with the times.

>>383227783
Oh shit I didn't realize it was THE CURRENT YEAR

He's pretty handsome. Did not expect that from the oddworld creator.

>>383227509
As far as I remember, Platinum games are doing pretty great with Nintendo while some no-one with a very niche platformer is making a hissy fit.

>>383225661

>He was an awful president by bringing back a customer base Nintendo hadn't seen since the days of the NES and Gameboy.

Airtight logic, friend.

>Oddworld
Literally who cares, Oddworld was never good. Maybe if he didn't make shit games he could make some money.

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>>383227783
>Handheld - designed to be held in the hand.
>Can take it on the go
It is a handheld, yes.

>>383227706

>I would say Sega's role in this is establishing Nintendo's 'kiddy' image. Which isn't and never has been true.

I... I can't. The delusion is too much.

>>383227663
>Doesn't mean he doesn't like Nintendo games.


Post where he says he does or be declared a troll.
You say dumb shit like, "I have no faith in Nintendo Switch" you better provide some reasoning behind your statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqocFElidKI

>>383227713
Yeah thats my point, I loved my Vita, and for the most part first party stuff was great.
Soul Sac, Killzone, Uncharted, Resistance, Freedom Wars, all that shit was great and so were the indies, but while the indies kept coming Sony didn't so eventually I sold it.

My Switch is great as well, I've only got a few games for it right now, but there is quite a few I know I'm getting in the future plus shit we don't know about.

The Switch aint great hardware-wise, but thats fine cause thats what nintendo plays to, and its good enough to handle most indies as well.

For everything else I got a ps4 and pc.

>guy makes a game that maybe two people on earth have ever played
>has an opinion
WOOOOOOOOOOOOW

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>>383224346
>3rd parties didn't make money on wii
Except for the ones that did because they weren't fucking shovelware.

>>383227531
>but it won't do as well as the ps4 or xbone.
>xbone
u wot
The bone has been barely managing 10m/year. The only way the switch doesn't blow past 10m in 9 months is if they can't increase production and it stays sold out all year.

>>383228029

Name some.

>>383227328

>That doesn't change the fact that the switch still has massive limitations, there's no money to be made from it.

People have made exactly this statement about the NES, GB, Wii, and DS and they have been wrong every time. What does it take to show you fucking retards that hardware power =/= sales?

>>383227939
not an argument

>>383228087
No more heroes

>>383227574
Post boipucci, you slut.

>/v/ using sales as a measure of game quality

When did nu-/v/ arrive

>"There's no money to be made on the Switch."
>Meanwhile mainline Pokemon game will sell 5-6 million guaranteed

>>383228087
No More Heroes, Madworld and Shattered Memories

>>383228152
Sold like shit. Just Damce and Michael Jackson: The Experience sold 20x more.

>>383228087
Monster Hunter tri

>>383228203
he said on Nintendo makes money and third parties don't
On Nintendo, you're competing with Pokemon

>>383224747

Nah, Sega, Capcom, and Ubisoft made good money.

>>383228259
LMAO it sold like such shit that they made a sequel and then is getting a 3rd game planned for Switch

>>383228229
All niche games that combined ended up selling worse than a Michael Jackson game.

>>383228203
He's talking about third party developers don't make money from it. But to be fair, they tend to port over trash games no one cares for.

>>383228087
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock

>>383228083
I know what I said.
The xbone is up to what? Somewhere in the 35mil range? it will continue to slowly sell and the Xbonx will give it a bit of a bump.

I think the Switch will slowly catch up, but I don't think it will pass it.

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>>383227939
You can't reason with him
You can't argue with him
There's no turning back from his delusion and fanboyism

>>383228259
>guys some third-party games made money on wii
>name some
>*names some*
>no those don't count other games made more money

Gimmicky Nintendo console is garbage for anything that isn't kiddy Nintendo games and therefore has nothing to offer to anyone who wants to play video games but isn't a child or mentally ill?

Wow, what a shocking revelation! This man is out of his mind! What else will he say, that the sky is blue?! The madman.

>>383227013
It's too bad 90% of the first party games made under him were gimmick trash.

>>383227572
Don't forget releasing Oddworld Wii U in 2016, a year and a half later than the other versions.

Wonder if Lanning is bitter about something?

>>383228332
NMH got exposed on PS3 and 360. People recognized overrated waggle shit when it came to a real console.

>>383224346
Who?

>>383228087
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition

Rayman Raving Rabbids

Sonic and the Secret Rings

Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles

Red Steel

Rock Band

>>383228359
30mil, maybe 31mil by now, based on our best estimates (MS has stopped providing numbers).

It would be pretty darn unusual for the Switch to continue selling very well until catching up to the bone, then randomly dropping off to sub-bone sales forever.

>>383228340
>But to be fair, they tend to port over trash games no one cares for.
Which is the exact reason why there's been such a decrease in support for western developers. >>383226885
>Fifa 2017 for the Switch isn't even getting the story mode, and it's running on a different engine
Really shows just how much time, effort, and thought go into these ports.

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>>383228452
So now the series is garbage, Eh?

>>383228570
I'm not saying that will happen, I think the switch will probably sell hard till about 15-20 mil, then slow down.

>>383228168
2011 and I wish theyd fuck off

>>383228738
It's a portable system, I highly doubt it'll sell slower than the 3ds.

>>383228571
It's like they're trying to create the narrative by porting games they know no one will buy.
If they can't make first party type sales, then maybe they should make better games that people will want to buy.

>>383228284
>and third parties don't

Do Japanese 3rd party devs not count on Nintendo systems or what to you and these jackasses?

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>>383227934
>Handheld - designed to be held in the hand.
>Can take it on the go
And this is where things become shit for nintendo.
You have a 349.99 handheld/Console
>Bad Hardware
>No one wants to develop for it therefor not enough games to keep one entertained.
PS4 500gb 209.99 Right now at my local gamestop.
>Better Hardware
>All games are practically developed just for
these consoles these days.
I dont even own a console, I use my own personal PC because im a pcfag, but what would be the point in buying the switch then?

>>383224346
He's right though, even if the ports ran as good as the other versions, they still wouldn't sell. Even if the port actually ran better than the other versions, they still wouldn't sell. The people that buy Nintendo product either are such fanboys that refuses to buy anything that's not from Nintendo or they already have another console or a PC to play third party games.

>>383224346
/ourdev/

>>383228862
That all depends if Nintendo don't come up with a new handheld after the 3ds or keep the 3ds going instead of slowly killing it. The OBVIOUS thing to do would be to let the 3DS run out its life then just put everything on the Switch and have the Switch be both its handheld and home console.
But I'm not so sure Nintendo wouldn't make another dedicated handheld.

>>383228168

>Implying sales aren't an incredibly useful figure and worth considering in any discussion of games.

Stop being a child.

>>383228962
We'd have Nintendo fanboys saying stuff like "I'm not supporting this port unless there's exclusive content in it"

>>383228962
Its kinda like how Sonyfanboys refuse to buy anything Sony, but will lap up every shit spewed by Ubisoft and EA

>>383227008
>This retard's extremely loose grasp of the English language.

>>383228962
It's almost as if 3rd party devs like EA, Activision, and Ubisoft have ruined the image of ports on Nintendo systems so everyone's always too turned off from them to bother.

>>383228890
>You have a 349.99 handheld/Console

Where the hell are you getting this price from? It launched at 299.99. Are you in Canada? Or are you just a liar?

>>383228962
False, the simple fact is that 3rd parties refuse to build up a base willing to buy their games on Nintendo systems by investing early on in the consoles life and then complain about ports 3 years down the line not selling.

>>383229053

They're probably doing exactly what they did with the DS, which was refuse to officially kill the Gameboy unless the DS was successful, keeping their options open.

>>383224643
Nintennigger dick sucking

Iwata was shit and when he died he made sure to take the nintendo brand with him to the grave.

>>383229167
I don't remember but did the ports for the call of duty games and Assassin's Creed IV ran like shit on the Wii U? Those games released at the same time on every console right?

>>383228284
And on Sony youre competing with Uncharted and on Xbox with Halo. What's your point?

>>383227530

Nope. Was waiting for the Stranger's Wrath port, but I don't think it ever got so much as a screenshot.

>>383229103
That's because Sony doesn't even support their stuff like Gravity Rush and Twisted Metal

>>383228738
Really? When they haven't even hit their sales ceiling? They'll have sold 15-20mil before Pokemon even comes out.

Are you thinking that's the magical point at which "all the Nintendo fans" will have bought it? Because it's never actually worked that way, with any system.

>>383225843
Oh fuck off.

History since the fucking NES era has showed that nintendo was a tyrant

>Make it so that games had to have a special chip by them in order to work on NES
>Understock them to hell and make sure they only supply to first party devs only leaving the other companies with dick for who knows how long

>Don't make games on Nintendo systems because insecurities and think speak

>When they do, make sure its the shittiest shovelware game or shittiest port possible while releasing a remastered or collection for other systems at the same price of the shitty port in the same dev time frame

>HURR ONLY NINTENDO GAMES SELL!!!


This shit is so fucking dumb, why is this even a thread?

>>383229218
Do you actually expect that games like Doom, Battlefield 1, Battlefront and The Witcher 3 can run on the Switch? Maybe porting old games is the only choice they have.

I mean he isnt wrong. When you bring games to a console owned by both its maker and the games developed for it, you're shit out of luck getting exposure unless you're minecraft. Nintendo only markets itself.

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>>383229203
>You have a 349.99 handheld/Console
>It launched at 299.99. Are you in Canada? Or are you just a liar?
I cannot find one at any gamestop or bestbuy thats sold separately. (Link me to one with a fairly good price)
There's no market for a handheld that cost more than a console.

>>383224346

His views just echo what we already know. Nintendo is greedy, and that greed makes them short-sighted.

>Instead of just just ignoring the subject altogether, think you're being controversial by making a big statement about the entire thing
Why not, just, you know, ignore it

>>383225769
except Xbone still has a big user base
Switch still doesn't have a huge user base and it doesn't help that Nintendo is too fucking stupid and has no Switches

>>383229443
Gravity Rush has had LOADS of support.
Twisted Metal did have support, lots before launch, its just that when it DID launch, its online servers were fucked for so long that by the time they were fixed no one cared anymore.

>>383229691
Oh, it's because the individual ones are all sold out

>>383229665
>what is monster hunter

>>383229614
The devs are mad that Nintendo gamers don't eat up their trash.

>>383229772
I meant Rush 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOfTk2wkJ18

>>383229551
Hmmm, its true I didn't taken Pokemon into account.

Without pokemon I still think I would be right, but Pokemon has SO much appeal I think that could really push the Switch.

>third parties don't make money
>list of third party games that made money
>those don't count

wew lad

>>383229845
>what is monster hunter
A game with enough TP power to allow its fans to find it. Anything that doesnt have that star power or is Nintendo, you get shoved beneath the dirt.

t. dev who only made sales when he put his games on discount cause it gave it enough viewing space in the shop to allow people to know it was there

>>383224346
What a handsome man

>>383229691

Switch MSRPs for 299.99. Those are scalper prices.

Hahahaha LOL!!!!1!1! Nintendo is Doomed! LMAO NINTENDOOOOMED
XD XD XD

>people defending the opinion of a guy LITERALLY claiming that Nintendo killed Iwata

Even if everything else he said was valid, you can't go around claiming a videogame company gave a guy cancer

>>383229858

yeah, they like Nintendo branded trash only

>>383229691
>There's no market for a handheld that cost more than a console.
Then why is it selling better than those cheaper consoles whenever it's not supply-constrained?

>>383230040
I don't know man, you're post just gave me leukemia whose to say what companies can do

>>383229616
Considering the pieces of shit toasters they can run on, especially Doom, yes.

>>383230040

It probably did, though. Maybe you don't know much about the world of Japanese business.

>>383230074
artificial demand

>>383229997
He's not saying Nintendo's doomed
He's saying third parties are doomed if they support it

>>383224747
He's saying that the Switch will fail because it's going to be yet another Nintendo system where the vast majority of software sales will be for Nintendo's own lineup. While he would be right looking at Wii U as an example, the DS, 3DS, and Wii have all been big sellers despite all three systems having a Nintendo first game library.
Lanning has little to no actual business knowledge because all of that shit was handled by Sherry McKenna back when Oddworld Inhabitants was still alive and kicking, granted he is responsible for the overall experience and major themes the series explores. You also need to look at Lanning's own position relative to Nintendo and the main points he focuses on, he is a third party developer who looks at how the vast majority of other third party developers' games do poorly on Nintendo systems past sixth generation. He looks at the Switch and sees no financial gain for himself unless he was a Japanese developer which he isn't.

>>383227213
6 years is record time? Fuck off

>>383230063
I don't remember trash Nintendo games (Color Splash) selling as well as good Nintendo games (Mario Kart 8). Even Nintendo are a victim of bad sales when they don't make good games.

>>383228962
Then why did the Wii sell 500-600m 3rd party games?

Why do Nintendo's portables consistently get 3rd party support?

>>383230161

No such thing you tremendous fucking fool.

>>383230040
he's saying Iwata most likely died faster because of stress from Nintendo to make it better.

>>383229907
SEGA, Capcom, and Namco always made a shitload of money off of Nintendo consoles for their side projects and popular series. Are they not thirdparty or is he talking about that garbage shit the western devs?

>>383230227
Of course you dont believe in it. It's a marketing red pill tool.

>>383230161
???
????

??????

>>383230161
kek

>>383224346
Man, I don't give a crap.

I would accept ps3 era hardware as long as the game is good. I haven't bought Switch not because the hardware but because it still lack mirai 2 and RF5.

>>383230257

No, it makes absolutely no sense from a business perspective.

>>383224553
I will never understand why non americans are so obsessed with America. It must be mental illness.

>>383228428
>Don't forget releasing Oddworld Wii U in 2016, a year and a half later than the other versions.
I have never heard of this being an actual thing, I thought New N Tasty was PS4 exclusive and also having fucked up the grim industrial nightmare tone of the original version.

>>383230359
You don't know a thing about marketing. Nor the concept of making people want something they don't want.

>>383226369
>If you look at things people write and stop at the first thing they got wrong
that's pretty much how articles get discarded from meta-analysis.

you could've used a better analogy

Funny. I have no faith in the new Oddworld.

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>>383224346
REMOVE THIS THREAD. MOOOOOOOODDDS

>>383230369
>Talking about an American developer
>why are non americans obsessed with America

>>383230450
>amiibo dummy
lol

>>383225768
I don't think Epic Mickey deserved to sell that well. The final product was nowhere near what was being promised or teased

>>383230393

And you don't know shit about business or economics, fucking obviously. Marketing has nowhere near as much influence as people think it does. Only braindead cynics think marketing can sell something that no one actually wants.

>>383230239
Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

>>383230530
>what is the switch
>what is snes classic
>what is nes classic
>what are clothes
>what are fashion brands
>what are food brands
>what is any marketing

artificial demand

>>383230552
common sense.

>>383230530
>Only braindead cynics think marketing can sell something that no one actually wants.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_Rock

>>383230552
that's what HE'S saying you dumb nigger
how fucking retarded are you? are all nintendo faggots like you this fucking dumb or are you just incapable of reading? don't talk to me ever again faggot

>>383230450
Surprised theres only 1 wojak post

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>>383224553

Because during the early 90's nintendo treated everyone like their bitch, America especially. Then Id software showed up and gave them 20+ years of darkness and they haven't done all that well until here recently.

The switch honestly is good, they've paid for their hubris, but the real question is if they'll get lazy again or keep building.

>Wii was a failure
He's literally NeoGA/v/ personified.

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>>383230074
>Then why is it selling better than those cheaper consoles whenever it's not supply-constrained
>PS4 - 117.04 Million Units Worldwide
>XBOX ONE - 59.36 Million Units Worldwide
>Nintendo Switch - 2.74 Million Units Worldwide
Its selling fast for now, buts its going to start declining at some point.

>people defending Iwata
This is the man whose goal was to expand the gaming community. He succeeded with the Wii. The stupid fucker managed to wrangle in the absolute worst with old people and soccer moms. They showered Nintendo with money and what did Nintendo do? Took the biggest, smelliest shit on the core fans. They still are suffering the consequences of it today after the casuals jumped ship. And you people defend them still? Fuck Nintendo and may Iwata get buttfucked in hell for eternity

>>383230576

Marketing only works if people are already attracted to the idea of a product. If something is truly repugnant to most people no amount of marketing can save it. Marketing can only capitalize on currently existing interest in something or raise awareness for a product. It cannot make people want something they are truly repulsed by.

Like I said, artificial demand does not exist, unless Nintendo were deliberately buying its own consoles to make them look like they were selling better than they are, but that's called fraud.

>>383230209
>why did the Wii sell 500-600m 3rd party games?
Everybody and their grandma had a fucking Wii. The Wii library was bloated with trash party games that everybody bough them to just pass time in a birthday or something. They did sell a lot though, but I'm talking about multi platform titles.

>Why do Nintendo's portables consistently get 3rd party support?
You're right about this. I meant in my previous post about multi platform 3rd party games. The 3ds games are specifically made for that console, so they sell most of the time. My mistake for not clarifying it.

>>383230756
>This is the man whose goal was to expand the gaming community
He succeeded.

>Took the biggest, smelliest shit on the core fans.
Bull fucking shit.
From Super Mario Galaxy, Sin & Punishment 2, Pandora's Tower, Project Zero V, Bayo 2 to BREATH OF THE WILD.

Fuck off with your retarded meme

>>383230827
>If something is truly repugnant to most people no amount of marketing can save it

>what is skinner boxes
>what is casino games
>what is microtransactions
>what is smoking
>what is drinking

artificial demand

>>383230705
>Then Id software showed up and gave them 20+ years of darkness and they haven't done all that well until here recently.

lol no, you can think Sony for Nintendo's Dark Days. Id doesn't even factor into that equation.

>>383230876
Not him but you really haven't grasped the idea

>>383230957
artificial demand

>>383230664
>>383230698
What makes you think a hipster game dev with an axe to grind knows anything about Iwata's personal health and stress level as it relates to the management of Nintendo?

>>383230991
Because it fits NeoGA/v/'s narrative

>>383230721
>buts its going to start declining at some point
What kind of argument is that? It could start declining at 5 million, 50 million, or 500 million.

haha nintendofags

bing bing 1-up wahGAME OVER

>>383230991

What makes you think you know enough to denounce any speculation on that point?

>>383230074
>Then why is it selling better than those cheaper consoles
Nintendo has sold near 3 million switches. PS4 has sold over 50 million. The Wii U sold 13 million in its lifetime. PS3 sold more. So whatever theorycrafting youve been doing is false and the numbers do not lie.

>>383230876

Just listing shit off and saying "artificial demand" isn't an argument. Also I'm not sure how demand for any of that is "artificial," since people do actively want these things despite detrimental effects.

I had faith that he would get the Abe's odyssey remake right. I won't trust a word he says ever again.

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>>383228428
>Don't forget releasing Oddworld Wii U in 2016, a year and a half later than the other versions.

This shit really happened didn't it, even though Nintendo said they was dropping support early 2017.

SO not only did he butchered the atmosphere and tone of his game, he releases a game, remade classic of a PS game, on a Nintendo system barely anybody owned and got shit on constantly for the past 3 years by third-party, a year before the release of Nintendo Switch?

I wouldn't listen to anything this man says regarding business on other companies.

>>383231130
>despite detrimental effects

artificial demand

>>383231093
Why do I need information to denounce baseless speculation? The point is neither of us is in a position to make that assumption.

>>383231127
>Nintendo has sold near 3 million switches
>In March. The weakest salepoint for all consoles.
>PS4 has shipped over 50 million
>over FOUR years
FTFY

Let's settle this thread right now /v/.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13382921

>>383231130

Not that guy, but...it's very easy to create artificial demand. Hilariously easy.

>>383231193

>baseless

Not really. The evidence is there.

>>383231259

If it's so easy then provide an example.

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>>383224346
>test of faith

>>383231038
>50 million, or 500 million.
Lets use Microsofts console as an example
>Sold 20 million units a month after release
>Nintendo Switch
>2.74 Million Units a month after its official release
I dont believe it'll hit the 10 million mark in its life time.

>>383231293
What evidence?

>>383231319

Viral marketing? It's as simple as creating popularity and buzz around a product that people initially wouldn't care for, but now they think it's popular they want it.

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>>383231319
Go buy a switch. And also all its games. Make sure to shill for free on the internet too.

>>383230756
To be fair, it's not like current gen games are hardcore. The only difference seems to be that Nintendo's target audience seems to be different than Sony or Microsoft.

Sony and Microsoft have some advantage with this, they just have to wait for someone to shit the bed and do the opposite (like they did with the whole sharing games thing).

Nintendo doesn't really have any guidance, their american branch is shit and doesn't do any competent research, and despite the increasing weeaboo consumers, japan only games are still too weird for them.

But believe me, AAA titles are getting worse, I'm not even sure if it's really what the audience wants, but rather what they're told to like.

>>383231410

Don't you remember when he was being reviled for Nintendo's stock drops, having to kowtow and take pay cuts and beg shareholders not to drop them?

Japanese business is HARSH, and losing face in that world has consequences that ruin entire families.

>>383231496
>he was being reviled for Nintendo's stock drops
>beg shareholders not to drop them
Citations please

>>383230838
>They did sell a lot though, but I'm talking about multi platform titles.
Such as?

You're talking about hypothetical, basically non-existent high-quality ports. The sales of 3rd party games on Nintendo systems have been in line with what you'd expect, once you actually account for the quality of the games, marketing, and the timing of the releases. The sales aren't remarkable in any way. They're really neither good nor bad.

>>383231414
All marketing does that m8, not just viral marketing.

>>383231408
you

>>383227013
>/v/ hasn't heard of fucking Oddworld
What went so wrong with this place? Did it get filled up with 15 year olds?

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>>383231441
>but rather what they're told to like.
There's a reason the companies control the journalists these days and the distribution of content. Because there's so many games out and so many platforms, consumers are actually more wary of buying anything. They want to be told what to buy and want to be in the cliques that are formed around it. League of Legends is a big example of this cult + aritificial demand mentality. Valve also has mastered this art.

The only way you can do this is to have a fanbase dedicated to you enough. And make sure the journalists are in your pockets. No journalist in SF is going to give up an easy paying job to give their honest views on a video game. In fact, most journalists are not gamers anymore. They're as reliable as CNN at this point.

>>383231414

Viral marketing is just another form of marketing in that it can't generate interest if it's simply not there. Demand isn't determined from "buzz," it's determined by things like preorders and after-release sales, ie real, concrete numbers. None of which are artificial.

>>383231416

This post in no way is a response to what I asked you to do.

>>383231496
And you think that caused him to develop terminal cancer?

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>>383231679
Why arent you buying a Switch? Princess Peach is on it.

>>383224747
He is just greedy

>>383231564

>Citations

Why would you need proof that shareholders drop when fiscal sustainability drops, and need to be convinced not to leave?

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Let's settle this thread, post your vote.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13382921
http://www.strawpoll.me/13382921
http://www.strawpoll.me/13382921

>>383231573

So all marketing is artificial demand

>>383231723
That sort of stress can definitely suppress immune system response, and also lead to substance abuse problems or engaging in unhealthy habits to cope. It's honestly not that far-fetched, aside from the fact that cancer's genetic component is so strong.

>>383231679

>Demand isn't determined from "buzz," it's determined by things like preorders and after-release sales, ie real, concrete numbers.

No, it's measured by numbers. It's determined simply by how many idiots you can get to pay for your shit.

>>383231919

>Say it's measure by numbers.
>Disagree, say it's measured by numbers.

... Okay? Are you agreeing with me or not?

>>383231858
Nope, there's no such thing as artificial demand. You could toy with it all you want, use every strategy in the book and even invent some stuff, but it's still demand.

When did '3rd party support' become equal to 'multiplats'?
When did 3rd party exclusives stop being a thing?

>>383231876
So now you're implying substance abuse? What else you got, Anon? Did Iwata turn to underground bumfights as treatment for his suppressed aggression?

>>383231585
I was expecting that, Im sorry but these people dont give a fucking shit about you, its all about money.

>>383232046

Exactly. All demand is real demand, it doesn't matter how it's generated. If viral marketing results in sales, then that's just an increase in demand.

>>383224346
I don't think he's wrong, however I don't think they should abandon the form factor of the Switch either. Mobile hardware can only get significantly better the next go-around. ARM is seeing to that.

>>383232080

I'm not implying anything. I'm just saying we don't know what the guy's personal life was like and he was obviously under a tremendous amount of stress.

>>383232046
artificial demand

>>383227201

>2d platformer
Yoshi's Woolly World
>Action
Wonderful 101
>Fighting
I don't like Injustice or Tekken, so i have to say Smash Bros 4, which is of course going to get replies implying it isn't a fighting game.
>Racing
Sonic Racing Transformed

>>383225431
If oddworld was so good, why isn't it still around? Sounds like he had a one hit wonder and burned out because he couldn't create other games.

>>383232080

lol if you think "underground bumfights" is on the same level as substance abuse. Substance abuse can refer to anything as common as alcoholism, which definitely has a relationship with stress.

>>383231408
Are you trying to say Xbox One sold 20 million in one month? I haven't heard of any console selling that quickly. Even the PS4 took nearly a year and a half to reach 20 million, and it sold a lot more quickly than the One.

>>383232437
>what is strangers wrath
They got tanked by EA when they wanted to buy them out, OI got lucky by finding fudged numbers and threatened with a lawsuit, but they were done as a development after that anyway

>>383232292
>I'm just saying we don't know what the guy's personal life was like

So maybe you shouldn't play to the stereotype and assume his work killed him because you think, having admitted no knowledge of his personal life, he was incredibly overstressed.

>>383226350
>>383226303

Knack bundles are limited though, if Sony actually sold 1M+ bundles then the Knack SKU bundle would reenter circulation again like Sony's most popular bundles e.g TLOU or Uncharted Bundles which it didn't. Knack actually paid for itself through selling actual copies, enough to convince Sony to make Knack 2

>>383232739
Stranger's Wrath is overrated.

>>383225230
The only third party devs that saw moderate success on the wii were also the ones that pumped out low grade near shovelware tier crap.

Ubisoft flooded the thing with just dance and imagine games.