The great debate.

>>383213721
This isn't even a debate

DS3>DS2

Thread over

Useless sequels

>>383213992
This isn't even a debate

DS3<DS2

Thread over

>>383213992
Thread is not over because

DS2>DS3

>>383213992
FPBP

DS3 devs:
What area should we make the hardest?
Duhhh how about high wall of lothric?
Isn't that the fucking like...first real area?
DUH HUH
OKIE DOKIE and a 1/3rd of the game is a huge swamp.

I love both but fuck me man.

DS3 shits on DS2

BB>DS1>DS3>DS2

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>>383213992
In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:

>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward and bragging rights

>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build

>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death

>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character

>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character

>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks

>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina

>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina

>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill

>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons

>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)

>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun

>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again

>Your first Souls you've completed is your favorite one

Proof me wrong

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>>383214243
Please tell me this is bait

>>383214648
I played DeS first but BB is my favorite.

>itt: dasii shills try to reason that because dasiii was shit they're game is now retroactively good or somehow better than dasiii (it isn't)
i'm out

DS2>DS3>DS1
beat the games in order

Depends on what aspect of the games you like better.
PvE? DS3
PvP? DS2

>>383214738
DS3 is only better than DS2 if you hate Souls games in the first place. I bet you think Nioh is a good Souls clone too.

>>383213721
3 is a terrible soulless rehash of 1, and the only souls game i couldnt stomach to 100%
2 at least was interesting, despite many flaws

>>383214648
Bloodborne is my favorite and I played that one last.

>>383214530
>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death
Once you find the bitch that sells you cheap lifegems, Estus arent even a thing, crack multiple in the row even it's not like the supply is finite and you can't just go back and buy a metric ton by returning via any bonfire.

>>383214873
not him but nioh was a great game, and though it undeniably had flaws, it set the ground work for an even better sequel

not surprised someone who defends DaSII has shit taste though, so w/e

>>383214648
Ds1 was my first one. I recognize it as the peak of the series, and yet 2 is my favorite because it matches my taste better (more RPG-ish, elemental resistances play a big role)

>>383215032
Yes Nioh is a great game, but it's not a good Souls clone.

>>383213721
DS2:
Actually a different game than DS1. This enrages the DS1 fanboys

DS3: DS1 remake. DS1 fanboys are impossible to please so they rate it worse than DS despite it being equal or better in almost all categories.

Fuck I'm so glad DaS3 is out so we can enjoy DaS2 in peace now.

>>383215000
>lifegames
jesus christ i forgot these were even a thing

what the fuck were they thinking?

>>383215127
probably because it's only a souls clone in the most basic sense
it's far more of a typical action game

>>383215000
Not to mention even with the chugging speed in 3 you still have to actually time it right. It's not so fast that you can just safely chug when and wherever.

>>383214758
this

are you me

>>383213721
I like em both. Hard to choose which is better honestly. I'll pick DaSII: SotFS, but only by a slim margin.

>>383213721
The one that doesn't have the Shaded Woods, i don't remember which.
That single area was so shit that it completely put me off forever, did they even try making a map?

>>383216157
That's Dark Souls 2. You can literally run straight through. I'm not even joking. I agree though, I hate that area. Probably hate Huntsman Copse more, though.

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>>383216157
>hold circle
>in and out in 10 seconds

>>383213721
people complained, and played 2 for years. 3 died within 2 months.

>>383216157

Shaded woods is a bad area but it can literally be bypassed in 30 seconds or less.

>>383213721
DS2 is so much better than that cash grab of a game.

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>>383213721
This thread... again.

>>383216274
>>383216305
>>383216638
Not that anon but the fact that you can just run straight through doesn't change the fact that the game contains a garbage area. And that's only one of many in 2.

>>383214648
Your favorite Souls is the one you completed first

Unless you played Bloodborne

Then it's Bloodborne

>>383213721
DS2 SOFS by so much.
I can understand why people hated the original ps3 version, but DS2 SOFS is what the original hype was describing. It may have come too late to change fans opinion, but it was a good remake.

DS3 was such a huge disappointment for me. The environment looked bleak as shit and wasn't varied enough. The combat is also easily the worst in the series and lacks build variance. Most of its problems can be traced back to the fact that they thought a copy paste mix of bloodborne and dark souls was a good idea. The only thing that can be said for it was that it had a decent launch.

>>383213721
Hutsman copse, Shaded Woods, Frigid Outskirts and the cover shooting galleries of Iron Keep and Shrine of Amana make DS3 look holy in comparision even though its just a lesser DS1 sequel with BB recycled bits.

>>383216831
I never said it was a good one, now did I, anon? Yeah, Dark Souls 2 has bad areas. Every souls game has bad areas.

>>383213721
Just completed ds3, whole game was just
>ds1 lmao

Dark souls 2 has a special place in my heart

http://www.strawpoll.me/13378683/r

>>383217153
I didn't say you said it was good. I'm just saying that just because you can run through the area doesn't mean it isn't still in there.
>Every souls game has bad areas
This much is true

>>383213721
I think everyone can agree with:
DS2: SoTFS > DS3 > DS2

>>383213992
fpbp

DaS3 is the more aesthetic game of the two. DaS2 is very ugly.

>>383217013
>I can understand why people hated the original ps3 version, but DS2 SOFS is what the original hype was describing. It may have come too late to change fans opinion, but it was a good remake.
With SOFS being 9.99 eur on psn right now makes me want to fall for this, but i'm still not sure.

>still haven't played DaS2 or 3

DS3 suffers from linear world design, but individual level design and especially boss design is overall so much better than DS2.

Also, I understand that DS3 pulled a lot from DS1 and even literally took an area from it and reskinned it, but I think people tend to grossly exaggerate how bad the rehashing is.

>>383214530
DS3 fags on suicide watch

>>383214843
WHO THE FUCKING HELL PLAYS DARK SOULS FOR PVP

>>383217871
I'm not a PvPfag so most of that shit means nothing to me.

>>383217542
No. Blue smelter demon and fume knight are some of the shittiest bosses to ever grace the series.

3 has better bosses and individual level design.

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>>383213992
fpbp

>>383217734
Look at the gameplay on youtube. It also comes with all the DLC for free so that made me pretty happy. I originally swore off dark souls 2 when I finished it, but I had fun with 2 playthroughs on SOTFS.

That being said if you hated every single area and never saw any strengths in the original than you will still think its shit.

>>383218076
then dont play Crown of the Old Iron King? 2 shitty bosses dont make an entire game bad

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>>383213721
The passage of time, the worst is still the worst

>>383213721
DS3 is so bad that even DS2 is better.

>>383218725
>DS3
>worse than DS2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvNzuj79jRM&feature=youtu.be&t=24s

>>383214648
I honestly prefer Dark Souls 3 over Demon's Souls though. Demon's Souls is still cool though.

>>383218375
Wait a minute... there's many, many more people voting on Dark Souls 1 and 3 than Dark Souls 2... so wouldn't that mean, overall, Dark Souls 2 has a higher rating?

>>383215137
You're absolutely retarded. I'm a DS1 fanboy and even I can see that DS3 is shit.

>>383218784
Retarded stamina, retarded poise system, retarded design (dragons anyone?). Had they not fucked up poise and the combat in general it would've been as good if not better than DS1. Kys faggot.

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>>383213721
DS1>DS3>DS2

>>383218895
No, because it's a percentile. It's probably for it remain the same regardless of vote count.

>>383218901
Stamina is fine, pve and pvp wise. if you don't know how to catch rolls:GIT GUD. Poise now gives hyper armor instead of: Every player now wears heavy armor and uses shortswords and tries to backstab spam

>>383219085
DS1 has the best magic visual effect in general.

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>>383218375
>Cover Art
DS1: Linking the Fire
DS3: The Fire Fades
DS2: This is a Badass

>>383218901
>retarded design
Dark Souls 3 has the best designs in the entire series. The world is more fleshed out and visually interesting than the other games, and I thought Demon's Souls and Dark Souls had some really gorgeous moments.

>>383219085
Do you see how he holds that mace in Dark Souls 1? Disgusting and uncomfortable. But in Dark Souls 2, he holds it in a relaxed position, as you actually would. Try holding a sledgehammer or an ax the same way, in the same spot and see how long until your wrist gives out.

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>>383219626
>his stamina bar depletes just from holding his weapon the wrong way
DS2fags are pathetic.

>>383219938
What? Where the fuck did I mention that? Are you making a joke? I just pointed out how he holds the mace properly in Dark Souls 2...

Anon, please. You confused me.

>>383219296
>design means visual design when talking about souls games

Yeah why don't you go be a retard somewhere else. Nobody cares about graphics or art direction in dark souls.

>>383220078
Just making a joke. Prease undastand

>>383220267
>Nobody on this shit board full of autists cares about graphics or art direction in dark souls.
FTFY

>>383220267
This must be your first time in a Souls thread.

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>>383219626
Defend this.

DS2 needs a deep reshade/ENB to even look good, at times it looks like they left the lighting unfinished due to how mute everything looks.

>>383220267
Yeah nobody gave a shit about the ds2 downgrade

DaS2 was so bad they needed to re-release the game as """"dlc"""" and even now it's still considered the worst in the series.

>>383220487
Simple. The player is supposed to have armour on, so the weapon floats above the shoulder. Those are two different scenarios, you pretty little slut.

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>>383220808
Explain this then

>Can't be bothered to start DS3 DLCs
>Finished DS2 apart from 2kat and Cool Ranch Smelter

DS3 is the better game.
Bloodborne and Demon's are GOAT

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>>383220526
Mainly because of bad art direction

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>>383221578

>>383221578
I don't see any glaring issues, aside from the broad shoulders.

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>>383222305
>greatsword literally floating over the player's head
>I don't see any glaring issues

>>383222896
But I just pointed that out, sweetheart. The player is supposed to have armour on, so it floats.

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>>383215185
I used to run around with 99 of em.

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>>383213721
Today I will tell them DaS2 Is still ass

DaS = BB > DeS >> DaS2 >> DaS3 = A good game
2 has flaws in spades, but at least still manages to keep the core concept more-or-less intact and is still interesting. On the other hand, 3 is essentially just a worse mishmash of the other entries with a grey coat of paint.

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>>383213992
Let me fix that for you
DeS=Bloodborne>DaS>DaS3>>>>>>>>>>>DaS2

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>>383223103
Alright, you asked for it

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>>383223103
>The player is suppose to have armor on
This is the best shit you could come up with to defend this shitty ass game.

>>383223672
Damn, I love the look of the Throne Defender's armour. One of the very best sets in the entire series. As you can see, it's floating to avoid clipping, and as I'm sure you know, the series is well known for such.

>>383223664
DeS nowhere near #1 anymore. it's too old. so many neat features have been added since then, namely the lack of need to grind like a maniac for upgrades

>>383223927
>blade is floating to avoid clipping
>hilt is clipping through the player's wrist
really forces one to ponder

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>>383223664
Aye friend you messed it up even worse. Here let me help.


DaS>DeS>DaS3>BB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DaS2

>>383217889
Reddit.

>>383223860
I'm not defending it, you dingus. I pointed out earlier how the player holds the weapon in a comfortable position, I was pointing out a nice little detail in the game.
>>383224106
Well, you got me! Seriously though, it does activates my almonds.

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>>383224132
>DaS2 miles away
Agreeable.

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>>383224106
>blade is floating to avoid clipping
>hilt is clipping through the player's wrist
That really activates my almonds.

>>383213721
DS3 > DS2 DLCs > DS1 > DS2 Basegame

/thread

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>>383223927
>As you can see, it's floating to avoid clipping
Maybe, or maybe you just don't want to accept that DS2 is a shit game

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The real rating is
Das1 = BB > Das2 >>>> Das3 = Des

DaS3 felt more like DaS1 but it did suffer from the more linear areas. It also had many enemies and bosses that were too hyper aggressive that they felt like they got ripped from Bloodborne.
DaS2 had the shittiest bosses out of all the games
>bosses ripped out of DaS1
>Generic tall knights
>Add more enemies during boss fights
PvE was shit because of the same reasons and they were always in large numbers
The level design in 2 was just embarrasing at certain points

>Original game: Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 1 > Dark Souls 3 > Bloodborne > Meh

>Complete Edition: Bloodborne > Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls 1 > Demon's Souls > Meh

that's just my

>>383224627
Sure? It's just as shitty as the other Souls games, except Demon's Souls of course. DeS is the best. By the way, the area is surprisingly clean. Is that from PC?

dark souls 2 is WORST

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>>383214420
>1/3 of the game is just a tiny area that you can rush in 3 mins that also happens to be the only good swamp in all the series

really makes you think

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Kalameet is my nig

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>>383224849
Not him
>shitty as the other Souls games
Just because the second installment was shit doesn't mean all of them were.

>>383224803
Oh yeah I also forgot to mention the downgrade in DaS2

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>>383224962
Blight-town is the best swamp, it serves it purpose more than adequately. That purpose making sure those who can't git gud, git gone.

>>383225060
They all suffer from the same problems, and each have problems of their own. Look, I'm in agreement that Dark Souls 2 was pretty fucking bad. But quit trying to act as if the others were masterpieces.

The purpose of this thread is now to take a heaping shit on DaS2.


Weapon durability in 2 garbage.

>>383224962
I thought I was the only one that actually liked Farron Keep. I'm sick of obligatory poison swamp areas, but I thought this one was done nicely. I hate the thick parts, but at least it lets you roll at all unlike Demon's Souls.

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Shitter here who just finished flopping about like a retard in DS2:Scholar of the First Sin as his first Souls game.

Fuck the windmill.

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>>383225227
>DeS nostalgia fag
worse than DaS2neo/v/irgns.

>>383225371
>DaS nostalgia fag
worse than BBneo/v/irgins

>>383225280
>durability in 2
Literally why. I shouldn't have to invest in more than one weapon at all times if I don't want to.

>>383225356
Damn shame
Should of started with first
Windmill area is piss easy shitter

>>383225591
Use Repair powder or the bracing knuckle ring. Both are pretty easy to get your hands on. Though even with the ring, anything lower than 30 durability will still break pretty quickly.

>>383225743
Explain to me how the hell was I supposed to know to burn the damn thing.

>>383213721
I don't think DS2 ramps up nearly as smoothly as DS3. In fact, it doesn't ramp up at all, it just jumps around in difficulty. Ruin Sentinels wrecked me repeatedly, and then Lost Sinner felt like a very easy invader. Then the prowling magus is easy as well, and then Duke's Dear Freja double taps me and I die.

A lot of these aren't very memorable fights. I got through them today, and still had to look up their names.

The difficulty is of a different quality as well. Playing against a difficult DS3 boss repeatedly could be enjoyable, I think in part because of the phased structure of fights: you believe you can win in the beginning, even if you haven't yet learned the later phases. I can't say any of the bosses I've found difficult in DS2 have been remotely enjoyable, especially the Ruin Sentinels because it felt like I never had a chance to breath from them. Versus the old iron king who just pauses for about 10s after he slams his fists so you have a window to punish him. There are few bosses with a middle ground.

>>383225936
You can't. I do like how in SotFS, Devotee Scarlett will do gestures toward the windmill. It's cute, but still there's no fucking you would know.

>>383216274
you beat those fuckers with the dark weapons on the way up to the bridge
you beat the executioners chariot
its fucking nothing

>>383225936

Player messages left on the ground.

>Torch required ahead
>Try torch and then try torch
>visions of torch and then hurrah!

I really liked that you needed player help to solve that.

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>>383225147
Blight-town is good but not for the swamp at the bottom, but for all the rest. Farron Keep > Blighttown as far as swamps goes.

>>383225335
It's a really comfy area imo (for a poison swamp), also I love when you go to the top of the bridge (which is the bridge of the undead burg from DS1 btw, being Farron Keep what remains of Darkroot Garden / Oolacile Forrest) and you can see the 3 giant torches.

Also I like how it is connected to the road of sacrifices (the part with the crystal lizard and the black knight), and how the top of the bridge is almost connected to the undead settlement, were you find Yoel of Londor (although you can't go there because the birdge is destroyed), being actually the first thing you see when you first leave the High Wall of Lothric. The world design of DS3 is pretty good, even though its not as "open world-ish" as DS1.

>>383226041
I also didn't know, and looked it up.

It doesn't even make any fucking sense. After you burn the fanblades, the gears outside the building stop but they are still turning inside the building. Are you telling me that there are two separate large geared systems in that building? Why does the poison need to be pumped in anyways? Does that poison go bad? If the poison goes bad, what is it then?

I could forgive a logical puzzle that I happened to not get. An illogical puzzle is just shitty gameplay.

Dark Souls 3 is just a rehash of the first Dark Souls just worse and less memorable

>>383226261
It's a faction for invaders.

It's the red version of fighting the white dudes, the drake, and the dragon slayer to be blue..

>>383227173
This. Dark Souls 2 at least did something different and memorable with its characters.

>>383227321
What characters? The king? Yeah kinda interesting I guess...

>>383214530
you forgot that DS2 pve is garbage

>>383228269
freya is very interesting

>>383224973
If it weren't for the issue of his neck swipes dragging you along sometimes for unavoidable damage no matter when you roll, everything about Kalameet would be 10/10 perfection.

>>383214843
>this meme
I will never understand.

>>383227173
Dark Souls 3 has some of the best designed environments of any Souls game though. It's definitely memorable.

>>383229102
Although the PvP in the Souls games is terrible for a competitive metagame (as its original intention is for invasions, in other words enhancing the single-player experience with unpredictable moments), DS2 is the closest to giving players a somewhat balanced dueling experience. Therefore, shitters too stupid to pick up a game with good PvP that is the focus of the gameplay insist that DS2 is the best Souls game, as it has relatively good PvP.
Really though at the end of the day, if you've coming to Souls games for PvP, you're extremely misguided.

>>383228956
>spider that broke out and nibbled on a dragon which somehow now has a soul
>interesting

>>383229986
you're simplifying it to a large degree

>>383213721
DS3 main game >> DS2 main game
DS3 DLC << DS2 DLC

DS2 as a whole = DS3 as a whole

BB > DS1 > DeS > DS2 = DS3

I just played DaS3 for the first time.

Why the fuck can you buffer a move while you're stunned? Why would anyone ever think that is a good idea? This is an action game, that just makes the game feel laggy and unresponsive, and is actually fucking useless as well.

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>>383224768
i support your tastes, anon

>>383214648
Bb is my favorite and it was the first I beat. Demon's was the first I played and it's about in the middle. DS2 was the last I beat and it's pretty jank.
For me it's Bb>DS3>DS1>Demon's=DS2. Demon's had a better world, but DS2 had a lot of neat features in a pretty jank package.

DS2 MC literally became everlasting king while the others are forever cucks that will sacrifice their soul to renew the cycle of fire.

while the The Bearer of the Curse will become its new king

sad!