why do people like fallout 3?

They like it because it doesn't require intellect and role playing doesn't matter

Running around doing all the quests like somehow blowing up megaton is congruent with saving the wasteland

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Because it revolutionized the RPG genre.

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DELET THIS

What was so bad about augustus autumn taking control of the water purifier anyways

>>383176001
>HUMANS CAN DO IT! SHOCK! HORROR! AWE!
Great counterargument, bethfag

>>383176321
watch the video, he talks about this.

>>383175717
Nobody genuinely likes Nufallout. New vegas is only passable because it wasn't entirely made by bethesda and therefore praise is given to it to spite them.

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>>383175717
I think we have another one for the work camps.

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>>383175717
I agree with the picture but
>hbomberguy

He didn't even fucking notice Liberty Prime the first time because he was too busy looking at the compass

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>>383178712
I like this meme
here take mine

It was fun being a psychopath wearing the pint sized slasher mask. It has better world exploration than NV does.

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>>383176001
>FO4 is THe counterpoint bro
>The One™
>there is no reason to play on PC when you have The One™

I'm going to fucking vomit

This picture is the definition of nu-/v/

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>>383178983
>It has better world exploration than NV does.
BULLSHIT
FUKING BULLSHIT
every fucking place in NV felt human and had its own personality of sorts.

the people you talk to (save for soldiers and vagrants) have a developed personality and nuance.
give me one fucking part of FoT3 that was half as memorable as when you talk to caesar, getting to finally meet house (AKA president eden DONE RIGHT), or seeing the dyeing remnant of the BoS?

>>383178983
>It has better world exploration than NV does.
That isn't true at all.

FO3 had cool places but don't even fucking act like they were better than NV.

>>383179740
The dunwich building sticks out to me that place had a creepy atmosphere and they expanded on it even more in the dlc

>>383179740
True facts. Recently came back to new vehas after a few years. Was surprised how coherent and lived in it felt.

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>>383175717
>those arguments

>>383179740
>the delusion
Those things only felt that way because you wanted them to feel that way you fucking retard.

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>>383180189

>>383175717
also nv had a way shorter development time some peopel (like me) think bethesda wanted to screw obsidian over

>>383180406
>he can't refute it
Sad...

>>383179224
You know that post all all the "BTFO" posts are ironic right?

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>>383180051
yeah there's that but then i can counter with all the abandoned vaults in NV, the entirety of dead money, walking into the massacre of Nipton, to a lesser extent going to the legion camp the first time and seeing how organized and well trained they are compared to the NCR

>>383180307
nice argument

>>383179740
A single black dot stands out on a blank page anon.

If most of the world has little to no effort put in it stands out when they did.

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because it's not for autists, and because it doesn't crash as much

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>>383176001

>>383180579
If Bethesda wanted to screw obsidian over why cant obsidian write a contract where they have enough time to finish the game?

Bethesda might make mediocre games but Obsidian pumps out unfinished shit on the regular and is suffering from shit management.

New Vegas was a good game but the highlights of the experience is the DLC, for whatever reason they are of a much higher quality then the rest of the game, Bethesda did not set Obsidian up to fail, Obsidian fucked up and were only saved by the admittedly considerable talent of some of the team, they were also aided by the strange following they seem to have.

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>>383175717
>never played Fallout 3
>never seen Fallout 3
>watch some guy's playthrough of the first half hour or so
>he decides to blow up Megatown
>it's completely eradicated
>he goes closer to inspect
>Moira Brown runs up to you from out of nowhere
I stood up out of my chair in disbelief and shouted "HOW ARE YOU NOT FUCKING DEAD!?"

>she explains she went away to do some shit
>i don't buy the coincidence

>somehow she survived the blast proximity that would have destroyed all traces of her existence
>somehow she instantaneously became a ghoul despite many contradicting sources explaining the lengthy and painful ghoulification transformation process

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>>383181125
0/10 falseflag
>emotional story
>muh canon

>>383180949
>this place FEELS like this
>Name something that compares to the FEEL of this
>I remember (anecdote)
>all locations have a certain FEEL
yeah, great argument on your end lmao

>>383176001
Let me get this right, because some anons argued about the logic of the story it automatically raises the quality of the gameplay, story, quests, writing, choices, etc over New Vegas?
Are Bethesda retards really that stupid? Baby's first Fallout with objectively worse everything compared to all Fallouts is better or not a huge disappointment?
Fallout 3 fags are so fucking stupid.

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>>383175717
Let's talk Fallout 3.

Where to begin?

>>383181369
Any reply is a 10/10 in my book

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>>383175717
how about "engine limitations"?

>>383180189
>I AM SILLY

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>>383175717
or how about the historical accuracy in Fallout 3?

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>>383181341
>blow up fuckhuge nuke in megaton
>expect it and the surrounding area to have been completely obliterated by the explosion
>especially since the explosion shows a pretty big shockwave
>in the end there's just a small crater around megaton and the surrounding area seems to be untouched
Probably a tiny detail but stuff like this is just really disappointing

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>>383175717
or how about the fact that they create more questions and never answer them?

>>383180189
If you made a comic just to write paragraphs with no real need to be drawn you could of just said half this shit in a normal post, and people would of actually read it

>>383181337
Take out Bethesda and insert any publisher they have ever worked with and you will find the song remains the same.

There is a reason nobody has ever worked with them twice.
Well there is Paradox but they are doing their best to fuck that up as well.

>>383180189
>the legion are stereotypically evil
Yes that's true, but caesar's motivations make a lot of sense when compared to the enclave in 3. Caesar is a very smart individual doing horrible horrible things for what he believes to be the greater good and continued survival of humanity.
He's brutal, but the real Caesar was even worse and he got things done. The legion is moving fast and hard because Caesar will die soon and he knows his legion will fall apart without him, he wants to do as much as he can before he dies, so the legion will reform harder and stronger and be able to survive without him.

The factions do have depth, the khans mostly deal with their group as a whole being aimless and lost, they lack a goal and frankly lack survival tools. They are barely scraping by with raiding and drug selling, something they are only doing out of necessity since they've been driven from their home twice before.
The Brotherhood is on the brink of civil war.
The strip families aren't really proper factions but their one quest each is pretty good and has quite a few outcomes.
The Boomers are sort of like the Khans in that they lack a common goal, but rather than being driven from their homes and being unwilling to dream the problem with them is that they have faced absolutely no outside contact. They haven't been challenged on their ideas, they don't communicate. Their home isn't at risk of being destroyed, it's at risk of falling apart. Ants in the generator, solar panels they can't fix because they lack the parts. Ammunition supplies that are large but not infinite.


New Vegas' factions all have at least one greater theme that hangs over them all. Some are worse than others, like goodsprings has a singular quest that isn't very interesting. The majority though are well fleshed out.

>>383181337
i think they needed a contract (money) if i remeber correctly they said somthig about that in the making of and the dlc just show what obsidian can do if they have enough time and even so it is pretty pathetic that nv is still better than FO3&4

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>>383176001
obligatory

>>383181651
yeah gamebryo is fucking obsolete and awful, everyone agrees on this

>>383182085
also a lot of the legion quests supposedly got cut due to "time constraints"

>>383182085
obsidian made the legion evil because they ran out of time and needed a "leaning default" antagonist faction. if they had time to craft them, they would have made a Legion city and show the upside of living as a citizen.

>>383175717
Because its oblivion with guns, Modding support didn't hurt either.

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>>383175717
Bethesda completely misses the point of Fallout

>>383182276
Yeah, 18 month development cycle. Sadly didn't have time to fully flesh out the legion.
>>383182351
Didn't have time, but the legion aren't evil. Even cass the very pro ncr companion praises the legion for actually keeping their people safe, the ncr have raiders and the fiends running around, the legion is perfectly safe for a caravan.

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>>383182458
Kill yourself.

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>>383182543
>anime reaction image
NO U

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>>383182664
>codexfag

You first, NMAnchild.

>>383182351
They would still be evil. There's no upside to living in legion territory as a woman at all. They keep traders pretty safe but that benefits them and any group with power would protect them.

>>383182526
they left early stuff in their hyping the legion to be this great justifiable authoritarian faction, but in the lategame and final acts of the game they are hastily rewritten to be evil.

compare that to the NCR that had a ton of time and content for you to decide if they are worth helping or destroying because you saw how incompetent they really are

>>383182730
>codexfag
>NMAnchild
what do these even mean?

>smug anime reaction image
debate me or kill yourself

>>383175717
Fallout 3 as a mindless theme park game is alright and leagues above 4. It's still trash compared to NV though.

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>>383182968
I don't debate newfags. Christ you NVfags really are the worst fandom on here.

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Can someone recommend me some really good New Vegas mods? I know about Project Nevada, but are there any that add significant locations or enemy variety?

>>383182789
>There's no upside to living in legion territory as a woman at all.
non-con fetish

>>383182789
i only regret that Caesar didn't have women work as Frumentarii. Lanius would constantly mock Vulpes for being a coward and doing a woman's job.

They let you as a woman defeat everyone in the cage at the Fort, so I don't understand why in some cases they don't allow women to do some kind of specialty work in the war.

Also imagine revisiting Goodsprings only to find out that all this time Sunny Smiles was working for the Legion all along.

>>383175717
maybe I should play NV at some point.
Fallout 3 was my first fallout game and it offended me so much I never played another fallout game again.

>>383183374
Yeah, I think if the legion had a female female Frumentarii it'd be great, obviously the ncr wouldn't tell anyone this and try to say the legion and sexist, rapist, paedophile slavers.

Female soldiers would be bad though, women are weaker than men.

>>383183447
Definitely should.
Play 1 and 2 also.

>>383183118
you spend all day browsing and shiposting in every thread on /v/ because you have no life? how pathetic.

>>383183447
>Fallout 3 was my first fallout game
Here's a free (You) because I pity you so much

>>383183278
how do you know? if memory serves me you never see female legionnaires and you don't know how society realy works across the colorado.

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>>383183750
>NVfag calling others a loser

ayyyyyy
better a loser than a pretentious numale twat

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>>383175717
Really _____ you ________

>>383182178
Honestly they are all about the same quality with fallout 4 being just an uninspired mess of a game. NV is not a finished product and not even the DLC fixes that, none of them are great games. Its a shame because there is nothing like them on the market.

>this entire thread
Why can't you people just play video games and discuss the games you play, without judging other people for their tastes?

>>383184303
You must be new to this fandom.

>>383184129
Clinton voter detected

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>>383184303
Because every time someone says they like Fallout 3, or try to make a fallout 3 thread, pic related happens

>>383184345
Oh excuse me:
>this entire board

>>383184421
>NVfags are alt-right

Like clockwork.

>>383184074
>twat
do not pretend to be english on the internet

new vegas exploration sucks, all the locations are boring as fuck except the few story related ones and one or two of the vaults

>>383184421
>>383184623
>Reddit loves new Vegas
>Reddit is left leaning
>New Vegas threads are full of Reddit memes and redditors
Really makes sense.

>>383184496
This thread is literally the opposite, it's fallout3 fags screaming and calling the obsidianfags what your image states.

Nobody is acting like the stereotypical NVFag in this thread, but everyone keeps calling them out like they are.

>>383184890
>that victim complex

Just like Obsidian!

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Fallout 4 is only 20 dollars on Xbox one
Dark souls 3 ultimate edition is only 34
Which one should I get fellas?

>>383184998
No really, I hate the shitposting from both sides. I wish people could just talk about the games but on the internet people feel the need to be "right" all the time. /v/ is like reddit, except people reply to your posts with shitposting rather than downvotes if they disagree.

Personally I prefer new vegas, but I've still put hundreds of hours into unmodded fallout 3 and I still really like it. Doesn't help that the OP is basically bait for shitposting

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>>383184303
>Why can't you people just play video games and discuss the games you play, without judging other people for their tastes?

>>383185007
lmao
just bought fallout new vegas ultimate edition for 6 bucks on kinguin

>>383185007
save your money and build a PC

>>383184890
>there's no NVFags in this NVFag thread, it's only F3 autists!
See
>>383175717
>>383176118
>>383178592
>>383178712
>>383179740
>>383180579
And lastly >>383184890

>>383182180
Don't tl;dr this
Its a good read

>>383185390
Good idea

>>383185720
It's poor form to reply to your own posts.

Hbomberguy is garbage and here's why:
https://youtu.be/SRTfcMeqhig

>>383185338
lmao
i pirated it for free ;)

>>383185546
uh.
that's not what he said? some of the responses seem a bit spirited but they seem to be logical on some level at least.

what's FUNNY is I've never played NV, I just played fallout 3 and despise it because of all the things they've said!
>>383182180
this image is 100% accurate. I basically ended up detonating mines to see how far I could launch because it was by far the most interesting thing you can do in fallout 3.

>>383185546
First post is a todd meme
Second says all new fallouts are shit and new vegas is only given praise because people hate bethesda
Third is a todd meme
Fourth is a NVFag
Fifth is a conspiracy theorist that says nothing about the game itself
Sixth is my post.


So out of the entire thread there is one legitimate NVFag? That doesn't excuse the faggots just shitposting people that like new vegas and stereotyping them. One bad is bad, two bads don't make a right.

I also didn't say the thing you greentexted, you're just lying. I just want to discuss video games, I don't think the shitposting between the two games is good.

>>383175717
>>383176001
>>383181774
>>383181915
>>383182085
>>383182180
>>383182458
>>383182664
Who the fuck is so butthurt they waste fucking so much time typing these up and expects anyone to read them? Nobody cares about your opinions.

>>383186014
>>383182180
You're not even trying anymore.

>>383186268
I actually read books for fun, im quirky like that

>>383186268
Because being psudeo-intellectuals are what NVfags are known for.

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>>383186268

>>383186268
Wow how fucking dare these people talk about video games on the video games board.

Fucking kill yourself, I don't care if you're baiting.

@383186268
>cares enough to waste time clicking on each post and hitting reply
>expects anyone to reply to you when nobody cares about your opinion
no (You)s for you, my friend

>>383186524
No seriously, there is no point in posting those images and h.bomber video because it only proves you can't making a fucking argument for yourself, and you rely on a bunch of other autists acting pretentious and scholarly on the topic of a VIDEO GAME to tell you what to think. It's honestly sad how low fans of New Vegas will steep because they feel the need to prove something for a developer who has moved on to making other crappy, unfinished works.

>>383185809
>implying you're not me too

>>383186434
these are two different (yous)
I'm the Staunch Fallout 3 Despiser.

let me expound on WHY it's a piece of shit.

there's lots of Video game Content. Lots of it is FREE. For example, I can download LOTS of doom mods. Doom has WAY better gunplay and enemies than fallout 3. But! The theoretical appeal of fallout 3 is how all these elements fit together and how you can effect the connecting strands... except you can't do that in fallout 3, because nothing actually connects together! it's like all the shit is designed for a lazy retard that doesn't want to change the game periodically when he runs out of content.

so I just did the logical thing before I quit, I started exploding myself because that's like a gay shallow cheap thrill and that's the easiest one you can do. it's kinda like a parody of the game itself really.

>>383186598
>>383186712
See
>>383187002
And learn something for a change you pathetic human beings. Maybe let people who enjoy a game you don't like actually hold a fucking opinion of their own that isn't yours. At least they form their own opinions and don't scour 4chan and 20 minute analysis videos full of fallacies arguments in order to find a group to belong to

>>383187002
You responded to my post of >>383182085 thats not pre-typed or copied from anyone. I just wrote it.

Why did you respond to me if you only hate people that spam the same images every thread?

>>383187256
No you absolute retard, citing sources is a basic concept that you seem unable to grasp, and pulling arguments that are similar to your own is completely reasonable. Fuck off out of the thread if you're just going to shitpost.

>>383182789
>There's no upside to living in legion territory as a woman at all
Is this a joke? Listen , in a nuclear wasteland, woman would be property. All of this equality shit would end within 24 hours. See Lisa for a good video game example of how women would be treated post nuclear holocaust. The Legion is excellent for women because, in return for raising families, they're kept safe, free from violence and rape, and given some degree of freedom in the home.

>>383187329
You're grouped in with the people who resort to typing out all this and expect a bunch of people who type "kys" regularly to read it.

It's full of opinions and personal thoughts rather than the objective facts you think it does anyway.

>>383187518
You're not some special intellectual. Quit video games, please.

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>>383187256
>here's all this evidence why you're wrong. please help let me guide you towards being on the side of good.
>no fuck you. i want to be wrong. i have the right to be wrong. you can't stop me.

>>383187002
What a fucking idiot you are, this conversation has been had many times before with F3 fags arguing that it's a better game when they had terrible arguments, saying that F3 is better because (insert crappy argument that can be easily compared to NV and found inferior).
These arguments happened way before Youtube e-celbs ever made them or before it was trendy to dislike F3, these opinions originate from /v/, so if you simply don't want to have this discussion then don't but stop being a little whiny bitch because other people legitimately do want to discuss writing, mechanics and such.
You think this is about defending Obsidian? You're an idiot, it's about defending higher quality content against those that defend inferior content because they never bothered to actually think about it.

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>>383187774
>What a fucking idiot you are, this conversation has been had many times before with F3 fags arguing that it's a better game when they had terrible arguments, saying that F3 is better because (insert crappy argument that can be easily compared to NV and found inferior).


Are you at least self-aware of how much of a fedora you sound like?

>>383187002
it's 7:02-7:03 EST Todd, go make your mother dinner, she must be starving.

>>383187720
preferences about something so pointless as 2 videogames (that in the grand scheme of things are pracitcally identical and released 4 years apart) cannot be wrong and do not need to be changed

>>383187518
They're not sources you pathetic piece of shit. They're all heavily biased interpretations and opinion filled analyses that you morons take as fact every time. It's hilarious seeing people drop ONE of these images and acting like that's the end all be all and everyone who disagrees is wrong.

>>383187685
i read long posts :O, they're called books :O

>>383188008
Explain in full how >>383182180, which does in fact cite sources in the image itself, is in any way an opinion-based analysis instead of an objective breakdown.

>>383187256
>who cares if a game has better writing, mechanics, characters, choices, gameplay, that doesn't make it a better rpg or a better game
>people are entitled to their own opinions
>all opinions are equally valid
Nah, you can fuck off with that casual defense shit.

>>383187916
Not him but you could at least try and refute his claims instead of calling him a fedora.

>>383188149
boku no opinions

>>383187925
See
>>383184496

>>383187720
Where is this evidence? All I ever see from you spergs is cherry picked examples from both games and a disgusting over reliance on exaggeration and hyperbole and you always walk away thinking you won an argument when the only thing you did was prove you don't know the elementary difference between a FACT and an OPINION

>>383188149
well they're allowed to like it, they should just admit that they're lazy retards that like cheap thrills.

>>383188390
Go to bed, Sawyer.

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>>383188149
>who cares if this game has (opinion), (opinion), (opinion), (opinion), (opinion)
Every. Fucking. Time

>>383188365
No. Scroll up the thread and read.

>>383187998
you're so retarded. i bet you believe there are more than two genders.

>>383188390
Hell I was a fallout 3 fag, since that was my first fallout. It tried to play 1 when I was younger and failed miserably and only played vegas twice, until about a year or two ago I went back to it and was able to appreciate it more after the shitshow fallout 4 was.

I still have to retry 1 and start 2 though.

>>383188605
I made a short summary of the countless threads where people went into in depth comparison between the games, including myself, but you are the kind of retard that if I did make mutliple paragraphs of content elaborating you would not read it or complain about taking it too seriously.
Frankly at this point I don't want to bother trying to have a legit argument with someone that thinks F3 does anything better than NV, only a stupid person could possibly think that F3 is better.

>>383188643
Pathetic. Not even trying to defend your childish behavior. This is literally how all Obsidiots are. Retreat back to your echo chamber New Vegas thread.

>>383189169
>We already posted the evidence, go read it.
>WOW YOU'RE SO PATHETIC, FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR NEW VEGAS THREAD FAGGOT.

At least try anon.

3 vs new vegas threads are the fucking worst. its up there with smt vs persona threads

>>383189551
Again. No evidence was given. You retards use the same arguments EVERY thread and they've already been disproven as blatant lies or mere opinions.

Maybe sign up for a debate class when highschool starts up for you again?

>>383182789
And which upsides are there to living as a man in the Legion?
Women are baby makers and men are cannon fodder. That's within the army. Outside of it, in Legion territory, people live by pretty good standards for a post apocalyptic society.

Fallout 3 is fine and doesn't deserve the amount of hate /v/ throws at it. Just because NV is better doesn't mean F3 has to be a piece of shit.

>play Fallout 3
>finish it after enjoying Oblivion with guns and robots, grab some mods to dick around in (e.g. Enclave commander)
>years later get NV
>all the new features were mods for Fo3 (survival mod, weapon customization, better companion control), the only truly new benefits are writing/plot/world-building related
>but Caesars legion was unfinished and the game basically forces you to take a set route through to Novac
>After 3 years the combat is even more outdated, visuals/animations are still shit, the game has even more bugs and everything "new" I experienced 2 years before thanks to Nexusmods

Base game vs Base game F:NV is the stronger game. But if you consider Fo3 with three years of mods vs F:NV at launch (which was what I was comparing it to at the time) then it didn't seem that impressive. First impressions count for a lot and NV had little new to offer and a shit-ton of bugs and rushed content.

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>enclave
>marxist

>>383189146
That's where you're wrong
My argument isn't that Fallout 3 does anything better than New Vegas, my argument is that New Vegas doesn't do anything better than 3, and at best the few improvements it may have made are not significant enough for it to be revered the way it is by morons like you.

Time and time again people show you idiots proof that the claims you make are exaggerated, and that New Vegas is nothing more than Fallout 3.5, but you act like it's the Ark of the Covenant and close your eyes to avoid any opposition going towards your precious "greatest RPG of all time"

Every time someone says 3 is hot garbage and New Vegas is amazing I fucking laugh my ass off at the stupidity.

better question is why are people so orgasmic about NV?

>>383190703
returned to its roots despite the engine limitations

>>383188390
>lazy for liking video game A over video game B even though there's only minor trivial differences between them

WEW

>>383191056
Nice opinion. I've been playing Fallout since the first game and FO3 is fine. It's you obnoxious burrs n bulls faggots that ruin everything.

>>383191056
>this entire post
>>383190703
People are currently orgasmic for New Vegas because they feel that holding contrary an opinions and agreeing with autistic pseudo-intellectual youtubers on why a handful of minute differences is somehow the deciding factor between trash and greatest rpg of all time will make them hardcore or """smart'"""

They'll try to tell you it's one of the best fallouts, and even best rpg ever, but don't listen to them, it's literally fallout 3 with more dialogue and more bugs.

Why do any of us even spend time on this website? Are any of us better off in any way for this discussion? It's just pointless shitflinging about games that came out a decade ago. Do you actually enjoy this kind of thing?

>>383192793
I'm just occupying my eyes and fingers while listening to music

If New Vegas is so much better how come Fallout 3 has the superior metacritic?

>>383193338
p-paid reviews
fukken todd

>>383193338
because fallout 3 was a shiny and new concept that blew people away instead of being an iteration on that concept, same reason the 3D console zeldas had slightly declined scores after ocarina of time up until breath of the wild came out and made everyone lose their minds since it was fresh

Stop liking what I don´t like REEEEEE

>>383193338
NV was on the same shitty outdated Oblivion engine and it was using alot of fo3 assets so it wasn't as original.

To be fair, fallout 3 plays a good basic horror game in the beginning, hell, when I first got it, I was scared to exit the vacinity of Megaton

>>383195184
Puss.
The only thing you have to be worried about at lower levels is Old Onely and raiders that have explosives.

>>383175717
>>383176001
>>383181142
Man, these images are simply EPIC!
Saved, my fellow Redditors!

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>>383175717
>holy fuck how could anyone like this game?
Marketing brainwash. The vast majority of consumers equate hype with quality.

>>383196067
>>383196398
nvfags pls go

>>383175717
Whoever told that youtuber he was funny should be shot, makes loads of good points about Fallout 3 but his voice and 'comedy' is fucking annoying.

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>>383196398
>F1 and F2 are inferior to F3/NV in most ways
i cant believe i share a planet with these people

>>383184496
Todd didn't make New Vegas moron.

>>383184129
>Obsidian made Wasteland 2
Dropped like a god damn rock.
When will Bethesdapologists not be eternally BTFO?

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>>383186268
One of the most important and inspirational video game franchises of all time is being held hostage by a corporation that is systematically destroying everything that it stood for and overriding it into a degenerative profanity of fictional narrative.
We have to fight.

>>383175717
Because it was the best western rpg at the time. Say what you want but I had fun with it as a teen (having not yet played the first two) and sunk in a pretty good amount of hours. I really enjoyed 3 and is one of my most memorable gaming experiences.

Despite this, I liked NV and disliked 4. Idk why people who like 3 like 4 and dislike NV. 3 and NV are so similar you could pass one as a very expansive dlc of another. If you like 3/NV you would logically also enjoy the other. 4 is just totally different

>>383188605
Aspects of writing such as consistency and plot holes are objective.
The amount of choices one has is a mathematical value that is objectively measurable.
The presence or lack of certain mechanics is an objective fact.
Functionality of a game and its ability to perform its designated tasks is an objective aspect of a video game.

Only one of these objective qualities does NV not have over "Fallout" 3 and I think you can guess which one it is.

>>383197328
Like most NVfags, you're a fucking idiot who lacks basic comprehension.

>>383191281
The fact that you percieve them as "minor" and "trivial" only goes to show you to be a lazy retard yourself, one who should be barred from discussing anything regarding an artistic medium whatsoever.

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>>383197075
Know that these people outnumber you.
Know that these people have far more industry pull than you ever will.
Know that these people will breed more like them while your "nerd elite" lineage will die alone forever with you.

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>>383198839
t-this isn't real right

>>383196056
Believe it or not, I was just afraid of encountering anything, because first time I played I got killed by a dog. I was like 10 when it came out, now when I play it I go straight to fixing GNR for the music

>>383175717
I just like the setting of fallout 3 better then new vegas...the desert doesn't do much for me

>>383199761
The entire world is level scaled, there aren't specific zones with high tier enemies like in NV, bar Old Olney and Evergreen Mills.
I remember going all across the world and collecting shit to level up and gear myself up for the rest of the MQ, it made things a lot easier.

>>383200137
Yes, but ad a kid when it first came out, how was I supposed to know I was able to go everywhere in the world except the few notably hard areas

>>383186268
>people have read and used these examples for years
>complaining about video game discussion on a board originally intended for video game discussion
>complaining about an amount of text that isn't even very substantial for someone at or above the age required to use this site
What kind of person goes out of their way to make a post saying "HEY EVERYONE! I'M A HUGE RETARD!"?

>>383182526
They were also running into hardware problems. The Strip had to be reworked three or four times to get around them. Certain issues cropped up on both consoles if a certain number of actors were onscreen at the same time. The built-in memory heap is deeply flawed and that leads to a mountain of issues on all platforms and it was only ever fixed with mods. The PS3's pitifully small memory supply made flat-out running out of RAM a major issue in both New Vegas and Skyrim. Fallout 3, if you know where to look, labors under the effects of the same issues. The 'scorched Earth' art direction was mainly settled on (despite making no sense at all) because realistic grass for swampland would be extremely dense and run the risk of blowing the texture budget. Also the reliance on a lot of clever draw distance cutters.

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>>383179740
no one thinks this.
NV exploration is almost non-existent. and becomes tedious after literally an hour into the game.
there's very few interesting locations, incessantly boring sidequests and a serious lack of depth and variety to any of them.
60% of the places in nv contribute nothing of note to the overall game. the same can be said about fo3, but locations in fo3 were a lot more varied and fun to explore.
where nv shines over fo3, is in the atmosphere and quality of the dlc.
fo3's can't even compete in that regard.
if nv's dlc had just been added to the base game, the quests, map, and story would've been a lot more interesting.
but from a standalone perspective, it's fo3>nv

>>383203308
NV also actively discourages exploration with artificial walls everywhere in the middle of the map instead of the very edges.

Devs didn't want you to go there? Why bother spending time walling it off properly, when the invisible gate of doom will serve! Back to the established roads for you, because you're a courier and not a wanderer. You're carrying the message that war never changes, so don't go off the fucking course.

>>383203308
It depends. Are you playing a Fallout game or are you playing a Bethesda game? It's true that Obsidian emphasizes structured content over unstructured. This means, as in The Witcher 3, that if you're just milling about in a place you're mainly wasting time. Going somewhere without a specific reason is less potentially rewarding in New Vegas than Fallout 3, but that's only the beginning of the differences. New Vegas actively ensures the player has reasons to go places, and that those places make sense in the setting they've laid out. Fallout 3 is a fun fuckaround game but everything it does beyond that fails in a way that's utterly spectacular. Bethesda's design is more modular, more local, less global and with less of a view to the overall. It's what people refer to when they talk about 'themepark design'. It's high-concept elevator pitch oriented rather than holistic. Don't think too hard, because it really won't reward the effort. The dev team didn't think about it either, or if they did the products of their thinking ended up on the cutting room floor because finishing concepts up before throwing them in wasn't a priority. It speaks to different goals but seeing as how numerous things in Fallout 3 are incompetently assembled internally as well as externally, I can't help but conclude the game just stumbles. An easy example with lots of handy visuals are the firearms in 3 and 4. The models were clearly concepted by people with little to no actual experience handling firearms, and models and systems alike reveal little to no knowledge of how they actually work.

Just finished Fallout 1 andgot the bad ending for the Hub and Necropolis because I took too long, where were you supposed to get the holotape to show the Master that the mutants were sterile? I thought I explored everywhere thoroughly but I must've missed it. Good thing hardened power armor and an upgraded plasma rifle is enough to kill everything in the game. I'm about to start Fallout 2, what can I expect?

>>383205876
You can read the research at the place where FEV was invented (The Glow) or you can get it from the scribe at the BoS bunker, or if you have a very high science skill your character just figures it out on their own and it becomes a dialog option when talking to The Master.