LMFAO

>>383131978
in 2019, yeah.

playstation 5watch

Read the headline and immediately thought "hah, sounds like something Pachter would say".
He's so predictable in his dumb predictions.

>>383131978
>and still no games
lmao

>>383131978
In reality - 4K 30fps

>Pachter

Why the fuck does he still have a job?

>>383131978
I doubt a console would ever have 240fps.
There is literally no point.

There really does come a time where people can't tell the difference anymore.

>Pachter
2k 60fps if a miracle happens

>>383131978
>Expected
No shit sherlock, it would be hard for them to shift hardware without some sort of buzzword.

It's also expected to have an ethernet port and use electricity aswell.

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>Patcher

https://youtu.be/B8R4BAQf7is

>>383131978
>more graphics and fps make better games

and this is why Sony's E3 conference this year was nothing but Press X to awesome ''''games'''

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>>383131978
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>383132189
How does this guy still have a job, he's clueless on everything.
i mean 4K and 240 Hz, NASA computers can't even do that.

>240 fps

What the fuck

Yeah and I'm going to lose my virginity to a pretty girl who loves me for me.

>>383131978
>240fps

no. they'll sacrifice fps for better gfx.

>oh shit we're at 240fps?
>yeah ain't it sweet
>put more units on the screen
>but what about the frames
>fuck em. 30 fps is good enough

>>383131978
>240fps
That's pretty retarded even for Pachter.

>Michael Pachter

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Why are Nintenbros/PCbro/Xbros getting so mad about this?

This coming from the man who told people to buy Blockbuster shares over Netflix shares.

PS4 could also achieve 4k and 240fps, what a fucking meaningless statement.

>>383132518
Not mad but being realistic. This gen was expected to have all games running at 60fps in full HD but the vast majority of games don't.

>>383132362

oh fuck off you're even dumber

you can do 4k and over 240fps super easy at something like cs 1.6

>>383131978
lol yea ok

Remember when Ps3 expected to achieve Full HD and limitless rendering objects because of the Cell?

Remember the last time Pachter was right?


The Ps5 will be a little bit stronger than the Ps4 Pro with a better cpu and more Ram thats it

>>383131978
they couldn't even get crash fucking bandicoot running at 60fps

>>383132518
No one's mad this Pacter jew "expert" has just been wrong a thousand times

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some stop Sony 240fps is only for PC!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What does Pachter even do? How do I get a comfy office job where I do nothing but spew out bullshit predictions?

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>>383132189

I had the same reaction.

"Who the fuck said this, Pachter?"

>mfw it was

Became a parody of himself a long time ago.

>we are going to have stable 60fps on ps3
>we are going to have stable 60 fps on ps4
>we are going to have stable 240 fps on ps5
For fuck sake, try to get atleast 60, sony

>>383132895
Convert to judaism

do any vidya consoles support above 60hz besides the PS2 kinda sorta technically being capable of it?

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>>383131978
>according to analyst

also
>native 4k
>240fps
Oh man this will totally make video games good again.

>Michael Pachter

This guy must suck really good dick, otherwise I have no idea why he is still employed. He's wrong so often that it's mindboggeling.

>>383132668
and we can do 8k 480Hz at something like pong

That was not the point and we all know it's not the typical game that's implied in OP's pic, can't wait for uncharted at 4K 240Hz

>>383131978
>Just got the PS4
>Now I have to get the PS5
T...thanks

And yet still no games

>>383131978
>280FPS
in minecraft maybe lmao, plus 60ghz+ TV's are not a thing

>>383133195
According to the master race resolution and framerate is all it takes for a game to be good.

>>383131978
>According to analyst
Is code for we need something to pad our news feed.

>>383132478
This. It's been like this every single generation since forever, devs putting graphics above anything else, I don't see why it would change.

>>383133427
nobody said that faggot, if the game is good then the graphics are just an extra

>>383133346
but there are tv with 800hz?

>>383131978
He literally said the same about the PS4.
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/02/03/pachter-reckons-ps4-can-render-games-at-240-fps/

>>383131978
>future will solve all our current problems, analysts hope
sure is news in there.

>>383133652
bruh

>>383131978
in reality 60 fps and upscaled 2k

>>383131978
Anything above 120fps is not really making a huge difference. However I could see 120fps console gaming become a thing since putting all the system power into realistic graphics may be very costly to do, and stylized games wouldn't need the horsepower.

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>Michael Pachter

>>383133479
The first Wii nearly screwed that up with its popularity but the motion shit never caught on with PS3 and 360 players

>>383133565
*snort* PC master race amiright ? *snort*

After the PS4pro, and the Xbox One X, came out? I'm not sure people are ready for another console generation.

>>383133957
lel, they're primed and ready to buy a new box every two years

>>383133887
of course

>>383132249
4K (1080p) 30fps (with drops)

>>383133986
Given the X and Pro aren't selling anywhere near the numbers of the main boxes? I'd disagree.

>240 fps
Is there anything that would actually benefit from a framerate that high? How much does VR need? But seeing how it's sony I'd say that some unreasonable framerate might be their target, they only came up with shit like the ps4 pro because people complained about resolution. Now they're complaining about framerate, so sony will find some meme framerate that they promise but can never achieve.

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He's been shilling for Sony crazy hard lately. Think he' another irrelevant e-celeb trying to pander to sonnyggers.

>>383132089
try 2020 at the earliest

>>383133254
>sony literally said the PS4 is only halfway into its life
>great now i HAVE to get a PS5!!!!
kys

I remember when they sold the PS3 as a 1080p machine.

>>383134190
VR needs 60fps at minimum
120fps ideally

>>383134637
I remember when consoles were sold on the quality of the games and not how powerful the hardware was.

>>383134759
really? i don't.

>>383131978
>ps4 1080p 30
>ps5 1080p unstable 60
>ps6 2560 stable 60
>ps7 4k unstable 60
>ps8 4k stable 60
>ps9 4k stable 120
>ps10 4k stable 240

>>383134759
when was that?
must have been before the NES.

>>383131978
>read "according to analyst" in thumbnail
>"I bet it's Pachter"
>open image
>it's Pachter
lol

>>383132284
Have you played on 144 hz? Or 240? No I didn't think so

Protip: You can tell the difference

>>383134759
You know people used to argue about SNES and Genesis graphics

>>383134759
Literally underage
The power of hardware was always discussed and promoted

>>383132895
Anal liesing, get good at it

>>383134759
Go back to r3ddit, you won't get upv0tes for pretending to be smart and appealing to nostalgia here.

>Pachter

Someone post that one video about his knowledge in rts games.

>>383134637
Yeah, for blu ray movies

>>383134759
anon youre the main reason we have console war threads. Fuck off.

>>383134759
>what is mode 7 and blast processing ?

>>383132950
>"60"=15-30
>"240"=60-120?

>>383133652
???

>>383133803
>60 fps
Yes please

Why don't they rerelease the PSX and PS2 library on PS4 or PC?

>>383134757
It's 70 minimum, but I saw people in demo booths hitting 45 on that climbing game.

>>383136803
They said that actually only a small part of the players want to play old shit

>>383136803
too lazy to write an emulator.

and the sony execs actually seem to think that people dont care about older games.

>>383136885
Profit is profit, they could overcharge by a mile.

>>383131978
So, why the fuck people still regard pachter as the market guru?

>>383135560
It was already posted

>>383136979
Yeah but i don't think they're entirely wrong like, how much people realy want old games? and i mean want as "going to pay for them" and not just "oh hey i remember that game nice" but don't proceed to get it

>240fps

Is...is this a joke? Most TVs can only show 60 FPS because of how they handle refresh rate. Please tell me this isn't a serious "analysis".

Pretty sure they just use Pachter as a click bait generator now.

Pachter literally said the same thing for the PS4 and XBONE. Just replace 4k with 1080p+. Honestly he's an analyst that does not understand how consoles, pcs or gaming in general works and that such a console even in 3-4 years would have a ridiculous price point, that no console manufacturer would be dumb enough to go after.
And does he even know that most monitors and especially TVs cap out at 60fps? You'll never see a console supporting more than 60fps if there is not a new standard for TVs, which will not magically happen, seeing how gaming at 60fps is more than fine and watching movies literally does not need more than 24fps or 48fps on the rare occasion.
He allways tells investors to go with microsoft, which by coincidence was the right choice last gen if you wanted to make money and not lose it, but that's about it.
He has claimed nintendo would leave the game industry soon.

>>383137014
He gets paid to say retarded shit, and websites get paid to write about the retarded shit he gets paid to say.

>>383136897
They don't

>>383137261
technically games can still run 240fps but only display at 60hz.
its been done on the wiiu.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/07/art-of-balance-announced-for-wii-u

>>383137409
lmao thats why the SNES mini sold out a minute after they put the preorders up.

>>383131978
This is like "that kid" writing an article

>Yeah but I know Sony is gonna release the Playstation SUPER and is turns at 16000k with 3000fps and it's gonna have a Mario game that has blood and gore and sex

Can HDMI even do 4k/240? The HDMI 2.1 specs say 4k/120Hz, I can't find any evidence of 240Hz. I doubt consoles would start using DisplayPort either. Maybe HDMI 2.2 will do it by 219/2020.

>>383137342
>And does he even know that most monitors and especially TVs cap out at 60fps?
A lot of mid range TV's are above 60hz now, not the 800hz meme shit the box says but still actually above 60hz

>>383137512
It sold out because Nintendodrones are manchildren

>>383133346
While it's true that 120Hz TV's mostly use interpolation to fake 120Hz content, you can force a TV to accept a 120Hz input. It's pretty much dependent on luck though, not all TV's can since they weren't designed to accept a 120Hz signal.

>>383137705
lmao

>>383134759
When was that?

>>383137749
He's right though you could sell a package turd with a nintendo seal of quality on it and machinldren would buy it and even go as far as scalping others for it

>>383131978
Most PC's can't handle 4k at 144fps atm.
I'd like to see how they'll be able to pull that shit off without turning down effects or downscaling shit.

>>383137261
He is a stock market analyst that specializes on stocks of gaming related companies. He praises activision beyound belief bc of their stock growth in the last ten years.
The problem is, he is terribly ininformed regarding how games actually work, how consoles or even a pc works. And after such dumb statements like 200+fps (that he made for the PS4, too), he has proven that he's not capable to make an educated guess.
Seriously think about it, in a time where 60fps is the standard for TVs and monitors and will be for ever probably, he believes a console manufacturer would double or tripple their new console's price, just so a incredibly small fringe group, that plays their console on their 144hz monitor can benefit of it. And even then, 144hz is faaar from 240fps.
In fact I am sure now, that this moron does not even know wha fps stands for.

>>383137617
TVs and Monitors handle refresh rate differently. Just because a TV is advertised to support 120hz does not mean you are going to get 120 FPS out of it.

>>383137813
>he
lmao nice samefag sonegro

>>383137223
Playing PS3 games on it would be useful at least so you don't have to hook up 2 systems

>>383137617
May be, but the standard is and will be 60fps. Especially on TV, since their is no reason, seeing how TV shows run at 48fps at most.

The iPad Pro doing 120Hz is a real game-changer, hopefully Applel encourages other companies to support true 120Hz.

>>383131978
Pachter is still around? what the fuck

>>383137867
You misunderstand, there are actualy 60hz+ TV's out there. They meme they have 800hz and stuff like that, the real refresh rate is still above 60hz
3D TV's are generally 120hz
>>383137923
Horses are the standard why do we need cars?

>>383137883
That's the thing because i want that too, hooking up 2 systems is annoying but i don't know if it's so viable for them that they're going to launch something like that

He said the same thing about the PS4. He said it could do 1080p 240fps. In reality it can barely do 60fps since the CPU is so weak.

>>383137871
B-B-but sonegro .... B-but samefagging, nice rebuttal son

>>383137867
This, I've worked at a electronics magazine and did review TVs for a while. I stumbled on the rare occasion on a TV that actually would accept 100hz or even 120hz, but most of the times they are capped at 60hz and you can literally ignore the hz they claim on their box.
It's insulting that this does not count as false advertising. I mean Samsung for an example just doubles the hz rate if the TV has a motion plus option, which looks bad and doesn't make a picture run smoother if you are already at 60fps. And then they use some other multiplier, that again don't change anything. The visuals still are running at 60fps most.

>>383131978
>LOOK GUYS, LET'S JUST GET RANDOM RIDICULOUS FPS VALUES FOR NO FUCKING REASON SO IDIOTS WHO DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT 'FPS' MEANS CAN GET IMPRESSED BY IT

This shit isn't funny anymore

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>Michael Pachter

>>383137814
Most PC's can't handle 4k at all, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>383132624
I don't think it could output such though.

>>383132335
This video makes me want to unsub from EZA

>>383134759
I remember those NES nock offs that had in their boxes writen in capital letters: HIGH RESOLUTION GRAPHICS. This was in the 80's, in the fucking 80's. I really have no idea of what time you are talking about.

>pachter
PS5 will only reach 240p at 5 FPS

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review

AYYMD POOGA CAN'T EVEN DO 4K

PS5 MOST CERTAINLY WON'T BE DOING 4K

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>>383131978
>native 4K
>240 FPS
>console budget

>>383134912
Max I would go on a console would be 120-144.

Anything higher requires top-of-line components for modern games at modern resolutions.

That said, there aren't many tvs that accept 120/144hz so it'd be lost on most consumers putting their consoles in the living room.

>>383138258
240 isn't a magic number. It's divisible by 60. The 60 is a magic number due old television sets.

His bullshit number is buzzwords that he sees on current TVs when they're not really 240hz. It's like 120hz at best with interpolated frames

>>383132249
>In reality - 4K 30fps
2K upscaled and <30 FPS

You'd need a $2000 computer to play games at 4k 240fps, and you'd still have to invent an output format to allow for it.

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>>383131978
>240fps
>when highest frequency displays are 144hz

>>383138389
fun thing is they're still as ignorant on PCs and what console specs mean as they were then

>>383137814
why are you and others acting like it is going to get released tomorrow? By 2020 the average tv should be sitting at the 144hz range.

>>383138568
You are a mongoloid.

>>383132335
I remember when the word "flamer" was in use, it lasted like a couple of months.

>>383131978
it could happen, now that intel revealed all it's high tech shit (supposedly) everyone else can't hold back anymore.

>PS4
>Can barely go over 30fps at 1080p
>Somehow next console is gonna have 240fps at 4K
Hmmmmm

>>383138593
Yeah, and they don't even do anything PC-wise, I think? They pretty much only review games that are on consoles.

Are there ANY reputable videogame review/discussion outlets other than /v/?

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>>383138621
>I have no argument and I must scream

>>383136803
licensing

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>>383138568

>>383138736
No, you are literally retarded and know nothing about current refresh rates.

I remember when the ps4 was going to run every game at 60fps.

>>383131978
>Pachter
Stopped reading here.

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>>383131978
>Michael Pachter

Just in case the absurdity of the claim by itself wasn't enough.

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>>383131978

LMAO!!

Not even PC will be able to handle that until like 2025. Sonybros are fucking delusional. Consoles won't stop being inferior to PC until like 2030.

>>383138650
Except that there will be no way to output native 240hz. I guess you could use HDMI 2.1 which released last month for 4K 120 fps and then interpolate it, but even then it's not true 240 fps.

What TVs actually support 240hz?

Even most gayming monitors are only 144hz

>>383138726
Their review PC is a gaming laptop, 'nuff said

>>383131978
>analyst

that has the same fucking weight as if one of US fucking said it.

not analyzing shit if its just an assumption with zero knowing of what will be IN the fucking box!

>>383138854
http://www.144hzmonitors.com/gaming-monitor-list-120hz-144hz-165hz-200hz-240hz/

Have fun, manchild!

>>383138854
Except 90% of them are
a) unviable for gaming
b) unachievable with current state of technology
Fuck, even getting 144fps is hard as fuck, going to 200fps with newer games is ridiculous
Unless you want to play like Dwarf Fortress at 240fps or some shit

>>383138987
Even better, there's only one true 240Hz monitor on the market to my knowledge, and it's a shitty 1080p TN panel. So you have to sacrifice graphics, color and higher resolutions, it's only useful for pro CS:GO players right now.

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>>383139021
>>when highest frequency displays are 144hz
>proceeds to provide a list with higher rates

>>383139229
I posted the list, meant to quote >>383138736

>>383139021
>go to 240Hz section
>check prices for any of the listed monitors
>none of them are actually available to buy

You only proved my point

>>383138985
Well they don't even have true 4k right now on Pro so I'm pretty sure they don't give a fuck.

>>383134912
No TV is going to support 240hz in the forseeable future, so no console is going to target this. Hell, Phil Spencer said so in an interview that while 120fps is awesome, because TVs don't support it it's not a target for any console game.

>>383132280
he/she sucked tons of cocks at sony/nintendo center

>>383138616
I mean, we don't get the kind of leaps in GPUs that we got 10 years ago. Kinda hard to think we'll see affordable consoles in the next three years that can run 4K games at super high framerates.

>4K
Native 4K alone is already a meme, 50"+ is not common in households

>240hz
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

i thort consoles were dying and this was the last generation

>>383131978
And were getting Knack 3 as it's launch title.

>>383139849
It's hard to tell because PS4 absorbed most of the 360 sales from last gen because of the Xbone's disasterous launch. So the PS4 is selling as much as the 360 and PS3 combined, but overall console sales are still down because the WiiU sold much worse than the Wii. Switch sales might bring the overall total back up though.

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>>383137409
And that's why the BC feature for the Xbone is tanking, right? Oh wait, it isn't. It's become such a popular feature that now they're adding OG Xbox games to backwards comparability.

>>383139635
This. Even with the Pro and the Xbox One X, the games themselves are still running on par with hardware from 4+ years ago on the PC side, and that is with a lot of resolution trickery (Upscaling to 4K from a lower resolution like 1440p, which does not look bad at all but isnt true 4K, dynamic resolutions, etc). Not to mention the base PS4 and Xbone is running on par with stuff from 6+ years ago, at best.

There is no way in hell they are going to be able to manage a true 4K at 60 FPS on a new console and make it affordable anytime soon.

>>383138616
No, by 2020 4k and MAYBE 120hz will be standard. But I really doubt framerate will ever go much past 60 unless 3D somehow becomes relevant again. Most people don't use TVs to game. And those that do, use consoles which don't play games at higher than 60 fps. There is no market for higher than 60fps.

>>383131978
I haven't heard this guy's name in a long time

what does he even do? just stare into a crystal ball and get paid?

>>383140430
4k 60 in the next few years is doable with Ryzen, Vega and Volta. Hell, Xbone X is managing 4k 60 on Forza 7. And while that isn't a very hardware intensive game, when you consider that the CPU is based off of a (two?) generation old AMD CPU, that's not too bad. If the Xbone 2 or PS5 use a Ryzen/Vega APU I could see 4k 60 being doable, especially if they stick to the tiers of consoles that they are doing this gen (ie: a PS5 and PS5 Pro, and an Xbone 2 and an Xbone 2 X) priced at $400 for base hardware and $500 to $550 for the premium model.

>>383131978

Nope. They aren't going to release an crossfire console to achieve that.

>>383133652
Interpolation.

>>383134447
try never ever at the least.