Spears > Swords Prove me wrong

Yes. With spear even peasant can kill top-tier noble.

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Your a faggot.
Case closed.

>>383128418
Having distance is always good, it's why Muhammad Ali was so successful.

Spears are the weapon of cavemen and nubians.

A true warrior that follows Bushido is worthy is a blade.

Fucking casual, it's:
spear > sword
sword > axe
axe > spear

>>383128418

>that stupid run and jump attack that was in every fucking tv show and movie for like 10 fucking years

God I hate that shit, that and the slow motion bullshit are both sure signs of shitty direction.

Spears are great and all but that webm is retarded.

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>>383128418
>the nog has a spear

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>>383128621
Samurais used spears you fucking mong.

>>383128836
Samurais actually used bow and arrow more than any other weapons.

>>383128418
The shirtless fabio imposter didn't even hold up his shield to defend himself. If he had been worth a wet shit we would have either

a) grabbed the spear, thus wresting control of it from his enemy
b) used his shield, closed the distance and stabbed him.

Spears are a formation weapon, not necessarily good if you're going one on one and your opponent has a shield.

>>383128418
>has a shield
>can't block a fucking polearm
Jesus...

>>383128836
You're talking about peasant soldiers.

Can't remember what they were called.

>>383128836
>conscripted peasants used spears
fixed

>>383129015
Ashigaru, of course!
>>383128884
I mean, Bow Samurai are pretty OP but you really want a Yari wall as well to tie down the AI so you can charge their side

>>383129015
Ashigaru i assume you mean.

But samurai also used spears.

>>383128418
Didn't plate armor make most weapons obsolete, you needed stuff like warhammers and axes for the impact or a dagger to go for exposed area.

>>383129178
>and axes

I think you meant maces, axe is like the worst weapon you can use against plated armor.

Where is this shit from?

People that do choreography in movies dont get that shields are used for protection.
Not for style points.

There's a reason swords were traditionally a backup weapon. They're a lot more lethal. Most ancient warfare was a game of tactical maneuvering across the battlefield to flank and crush and divert, it wasn't just brutal killing. Generals 2000 years ago were just as disinterested in seeing their men die as generals are today.

>>383129317
If you're uninterested in seeing your men die, wouldn't you have them use this "a lot more lethal" weapon so they can kill the enemy before they get killed?

>>383128418

>viking putting full momentum on his blade arm as black has pommel ready
>viking telegraphs attack instead of holding shield up for lunge attack
>not keeping his shield near body mass in the first place

Jesus christ this choreography is horrid.

>>383129075
If you want to get technical, samurai used a fuckton of different weapons.

But most of the time it was either sword or bow. Let's not forget that a sword was a samurai's soul or some shit.

>>383129276
Looks like Game of Thrones or some other dumb show.>>383129317

>>383129438
spears
defense > offense

swords
offense > defense

>>383129276
Game of Thrones

>>383129456
If a logic can be found in this; The guy with the armor and spear is the city-state's current arena champion and this was the first fight of the day for him.

The guy with a shield is a nameless slave thrown in to fill out the ranks of the melee.

>>383129438
You'd generally set up a line of halberders/spearmen in front of your archers and let the arrows do the killing.

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>>383128418
On open field, yeah sure
Indoor though, that's a different story

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>>383128418
What now spear fags

>>383129456
It's also obvious that those strikes with the spear do not connect.
They relied too much on camera position instead of putting more effort into the fight.

>>383129438
Battles were usually won by causing the enemy to rout. The most efficient method of breaking lines isn't necessarily to charge in and kill as many people as possible (although that helps) but to split different contingents of enemy soldiers apart and force them to retreat. Battle = Human herding

In fact, the vast majority of casualties happened once the enemy routed, as they were easy to follow on horseback and strike down

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Dagger + Whip combo > Swords

>>383128418
A man of taste, I see.

>>383128884
The English Longbow was better than anything the chinks came up with

>>383129438
They're a lot more lethal in the sense that soldiers of either side would be far more exposed to getting hacked to death if they were swinging swords within arm's length of each other. Also, charging at a line of spearmen with swords is probably going to end with a bunch of piked dead soldiers. If armies (thousands to tens of thousands strong) won by simply killing the other into nonexistence, most armies wouldn't actually survive more than a single battle, and I'm talking about the losers and winners both.

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Are there any tv shows with swords that actually have good fight choreography

>>383129932
Maria the Virgin Witch

>>383129932
Too much camera movement
all I want is a movie with good sword fight choreography and nice still cameras that do a bit of panning at the most, like in Jackie Chan's early Chinese movies

>>383129932
>>>/pol/

>>383129838
Yeah, isn't the whole 'armies slaughtering eachother' thing mostly Hollywood? As in, armies would skirmish till some sort of point was proven and a retreat would happen. Even if you won a fight, you could be victim to some other army preying on your sudden weakness because you can't train up new fighters easily in those days.

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Maces > everything else

>>383129932
what's this from?

>>383128657
>axe > spear
In what world?

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>Not grappling your opponents
Plebes, the lot of you.

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>>383130054
That sort of thing was only really achievable because Jackie Chan and his co-stars were actual martial artists. I don't think there are too many actors with fencing or HEMA experience around, the only one I know of is Sean Bean.

>>383130313
Fire Emblem

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>that one episode when ermey charges on horseback and bashes a steel plated helmet in with a Damascus steel mace

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>>383130220
>got stabbed by spear from gorillion kilometers away while trying to close the distance
Halberd master race.

>>383129738
Whats this from?

>>383130313
You can lance your spear at me all you want but I can hook it, chop it, counter it and even throw my axe at you if it's weighted properly.

>>383129947
Those battles were pretty cool. I stopped watching it after a couple episodes though cuz Maria ended up being a cock hungry slut.

>>383128418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2YgGY_OBx8

>>383128418

Why did he jump like that? What advantage did that give him lol

Why does the warrior not keep the shield in front of him

Why is the spearman swinging his weapon like it's a halberd?

this is some shit tier choreography

>>383130617
Was about to post this. Matt Easton knows his shit.

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Bow & arrow > all

>>383131060

Ball & Musket > all

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>>383131060
*ahem*

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>>383131060
get fukked robin hood

>>383131002
Summed up all my thoughts too. What utter shit.

>>383131002
autism

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>>383128418
Checkmate.

>>383128418
>have shield
>not use it
lel

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>>383128418
>has a shield
>doesnt use it

>>383130617
Is this the logic of why axes beat spears in some games I wonder.

Shits so brutal, practice fights just have first to tap the other wins, but if you've got some impenetrable armor on, suddenly you're going wrestlemania on em ripping their joints apart and poking their eyes out.

>>383130150
There were some historical battles where armies were almost slaughtered to the man, but those were mostly results of one side being cornered and forced to fight or die or ideological. Such as Cannae and Agincourt.

>>383131329
>>383131481
the guy being dumb is probably the most realistic thing about the whole webm

>>383129932
>>383130392
wow, I actually know these guys...

>>383128418
>waves his shield arm around like an autistic retard, keeping it as far away from his vital organs as possible
>holds it for a brief moment in front of his lower torso
>"oh wait, he's about to stab me, I better move it back out of the way again"

>>383128418
I can't anon you win

>>383131667
Axes are usually heavier and harder to control, but they deal more damage and have greater ability of armor penetration than swords. I think sword would be better against a speared opponent.

>>383130573
>hook it
???
>chop it
literally impossible
how do you chop a piece of wood pointed at you in combat situation? flail your axe like an idiot? great method of suicide
>throw
yeah! throw your weapon away! end em rightly!
great idea my man keep up

>>383131745
neat, small world

>>383132052
I was just thinking of chopping the haft of the spear. Not real thought out logic, but fire emblem for instance has axes at advantage against spears. Are there any games that show off retracted spear fighting?

>>383132378
Spear shafts are made of thick, strong wood, you're not going to be able to hack through one unless you hit it a dozen or so times in the same place

>>383128418
Spears are more prone to breaking or getting stuck in an opponents body than swords, also spears are much harder to use in confined spaces.

Different tools for different jobs

>>383129831
japanese longbows can be fired from horseback, berk.

>>383132507
>effective range of 50 meters
Sure thing, weeaboo

>>383132454
The video just explained you can hack through an ash spearshaft with three hard cuts with a sword. At an angle, not even straight on.

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>>383128418
>that webm
I'm triggered.

>>383132454
I did watch the video which mentioned that. I was more wondering the logic of why fire emblem made axes better than spears, and that video mentioned the fallibility of the wooden hafts however small they may be.

>>383132454
Yeah, no, the strength of the wood is not the reason why that's not gonna work.

It's because it's being held in someone's hands on one end and not affixed to anything on the other.
If the spear was held in place at both ends by something sturdier than some peasant's grip you could render it unusable with a single chop easily, but it's not.

>>383132454
see
>>383130617
Apparently, three good chops with a sword will go through a spear shaft, even one will take a chunk out of it. Unless it has metal reinforcements all the way down (which will lead to it being heavy and unwieldy) it is entirely possible to hack through a spear shaft.

>>383128418
>howtousespearlikearetard.webm.

>>383128657
This desu senpai

>>383129831
like rockets and repeating crossbows?
>>383130150
No, but most commanders knew that retreating from a losing battle is better than letting all your men be killed for a few more dead enemies.

Most devastating battles were either commanded by idiots, had one side utterly trapped or were to chaotic for one side to realise that they were losing, which often resulted from point 1.

>>383132840
yep

>>383130503

Game of Thrones. That fight scene is probably the worst scene in the entire show.

>>383132754
this

also

https://youtu.be/LQjJavcsNjA

>>383132589
>skilled user can hit up to 300 meters
The yumi had a similar range and lethality/accuracy to english longbows, since both entirely depend on a skilled user.
Also, not an argument, retard, since you claimed superiority when there are things the classic longbow cant even do.

>>383128418
Why is that nigger stealing achillies' signature move from Troy?

Halberds > Spears

Maces > Swords

Crossbows > longbows

My taste > Yours

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>spearfags BTFO

>>383132102
Not the same anon, but axes have a curved design under the base of the blade(s). Have you never seen an axe before? If you miss a lance thrust, the lance can easily get hooked by the axe.

>>383133102
Whatever you say, weebshit
European weaponry is much, much better than jap shit

>>383133212
Just stab the cunt, lel.

>>383129491
>Let's not forget that a sword was a samurai's soul or some shit.
That all came after the civil war when samurai did fuckall and were glorified middle managers

>>383133212
He shouldve used the cuhrazy run and jump attack

>>383133212
im pretty sure if they were actually going at each other he would just stab him

>>383133221
Not when it comes to bows,composite recurve bows are overall better, but longbows are better with heavier arrows.

>>383133218
>but axes have a curved design under the base of the blade(s).
Yes, so what?
>If you miss a lance thrust, the lance can easily get hooked by the axe.
???
How? Explain it to me, I genuinely don't understand. If you have visual examples please do share.
Spear is not a mace, thrusts are fast you don't have to compensate for weight, you can't overcommit unless you're fucking retarded and not leaning forward with a spear standing on one leg to reach a target.
I can see how axe can hook shields or limbs but spear have nothing to grab into. It's just a pointed stick technically.

>>383133689
The shit is this slut talking about?
Why would you use composite recurve bows instead of a longbow/warbow?
Not to mention the crossbow.

>>383128418
sure when we could have an ARPG with that kind of moveset.

In most games playing with a spear is the most boring shit ever.

>>383133782
Longbow is just a stick with a string, composite bows have the same power but it's also compact.
Crossbow is worse than both, crossbows are only good because they don't require much training and holding the string, it's just easier to use.

>>383128418
No you fucking retard, sword cohorts can get in past a fucking by the use of a shield, get in close, and slash the wielder while he cant do shit because hes practically holding a long stick with a blade way on the tip making the spear wielder vulnerbale against say a soldier who got past the spear and can now fuck the guys shit up.
Look spears were valid for ancient and mideviel combat, but a guy wielding a sword and shield that is experienced/ and or trained can easiely kill a spear user unless said spear user is fighting extremely defensively and knows how to counter attacks from a sword wielder.
Anyway go read a book and finish high school before you make a brainless thread you cock mongoloid.

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>>383133967
Well that's just the most retarded thing I've read today, good day anon.

>>383133967
>it's just easier to use
This is what makes them better.

>>383128621
The sword was used for mounted cavalry AFTER you lost your spear.

>>383130054
you can't have a still camera unless the people in the shot are actually good at what they're doing

>>383128418
The spear is the weapon of kings

>>383134348
It's the weapon of peasants you dumb mong.
The mace is the weapon of kings

>>383134434
Incorrect - the sword is the weapon of kings.

>>738124777
>>383129629
>have you ever been that mad?

what's the tactical advantage of jumping up in the air while you stab?

>>383134502
>I have the high ground

>>383134502
Adds force due to gravity to the strike.
You get your whole body weight on the point of the spear.

>>383130479
>implying damascus steel is important for maces

>>383134502
It looks cool.

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My spear bros.

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>>383129265
And worst weapon against shields. Later axes did have a pointy hook on the other side that would go through armour, also a spear tip on the top.

The problem with axes though... You had to be pretty fucking strong and have stamina to use them effectively. If you were that strong and had that stamina though, you were already a terror despite your weapon. You could have used a piece of hardwood and ran amok

>>383134469
You mean the war axe

>>383128418
Of course.

Swords are sidearms.

>>383134797
>imblying
Warhammer.

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Why does this guy's sword have two pommels

>>383134917
>GEE

>>383129317
Spearman would kill a swordsman 100 times out of 100. Sword doesn't stand a chance.

I know swords are sexy and romantic, but get over it.

>>383134917
its weighted for one hand and two hand use

>>383133212
hes super exposed after the first failed swing
in a real situation it wouldve been over if the spearman isnt a huge pussy

>>383133740
sorry friend you seem to be autistic, just google that shit up or check jewtube

>>383134905
>>383134797
>>383134469
>>383134434
youre all incorect the deagle is the weapon of KANGZ

>>383128418
I change my opinions all the time, but spears are pretty cool after playing nier automata with a spear build.
I'm mostly into maces and hammers tho.

>>383134917
>wowwww edward how come you have 2 pommels???

>>383130581
Lol, too bad you were wrong.

>not getting glorious zweihander and having a spear and a sword all in one go

Sword literally designed to fuck pike men in the face.

>>383129265
Axes could work against plate armor similarly to a mace, in that they were top heavy and could cause blunt force trauma. Not the best weapon, but you could make it work if you were fairly strong

>>383135078
That's what he was trying to prove. By using psychological tactics you can win a fight against somebody who should have the advantage.

>>383130128
What the fuck even is the thought behind this post, are hemafags /pol/ now according to tumblr?

>>383133967
holy shit you dumb.

>>383129456
It's not that it's bad choreography, the guy with the shield simply wasn't supposed to be a good fighter
The choreography in the show is usually pretty bad though

>>383135684
They both look bad. All of it looked bad.

>>383134994
I didn't mean "more lethal" in the sense that it's better, I meant it in the sense that when there's no distance between you and your enemy and you have a group of people brushing shoulders and swinging sharp swords around, you'll have a lot more deaths than lines of formed infantry with spears.

>>383134469
Spear is such a ubiquitous term, it could mean anything between a pike, guisarme, lance, boar spear, etc. There's as many spears as there are swords

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>>383130128
swords too white for you mongrel boi?

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>>383135541
Yeah, that's what brainlets like to say when they don't understand complex subjects.

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>>383136856
>crusadercucks
Utterly crushed by a bunch of sandniggers, could barely hold Jerusalem for a few years and after certain orders set sight to Lithuania-Poland, they couldn't even beat them, a rag tag team of pagan spearchuckers and slavs.

>>383130128
Hellloooo Reddit

>>383134595
>You get your whole body weight on the point of the spear.
Not quite, while you will impart some of your weight onto the spear tip, the full weight of your body would only be applied if you were plunging straight down behind the spear or more accurately stated, if the spear was inside your centre of gravity, thrusting out with your arms away from your body like in the OP will bring the spear outside of your centre of gravity, thus the full force of your weight will not be behind the spear.

>>383137612
>>>/r/eddit

>>383134994
>What are the wars of the Roman Republic against the Hellenistic kings
Phalanxes get BTFO every time

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>>383128418
Agreed

>>383128418
>Doesn't at any point use his shield, it just hangs there
Shittiest choreography ever. Both of those strikes were easily blockable with a counterattack. LITERALLY just hold your shield in front of you.

>>383138425
It's a slave trying to win freedom in the coliseum against a champion.
Him being retarded is actually the most accurate part of the video.

>>383138479
A foldable spear?

>>383128418
That jump was fucking pointless, what the hell am I watching.

>>383138627

But it doesn't matter how much of a slave you are, holding a metal disk over your vitals to prevent damage isn't a hard concept.

>>383138627
Depending on his status, a slave would know how to brawl. It doesn't take much to be a decent warrior - discipline of armies is the hard part to master.

>>383129831
>the chinks
Chinks = Chinese
Gooks = Koreans
Nips = Japanese

Learn how to racist.

>>383138695
It's probably game of whores, a cancerous normie show.

>>383138479
the fedora of knives

Imagine if the world never had gunpowder
and we have all these modern tech shit but still rely on medieval weapons and armor
fucking scopes on bows and xbows and taser swords

>>383128418
Which episode/season is that?

>>383138128
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/t/umblr
>>>/f/acebook

>>383138801
all look same

>>383138861
season finale of whichever season ends with kelly c riding drogon

>>383131142
Funny thing is the Japs had massively adopted this when they invaded Korea in the 1590s but got absolutely BTFO by the Korean Turtle Ship in the sea which eventually led to their defeat.

>>383138479
Nice fidget spinner

>>383138860
We have magnetic rail cannons now.

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>>383128418
>It's a Donnel thread

bannerlord when lads?

>>383135496
>That's what he was trying to prove. By using psychological tactics you can win a fight against somebody who should have the advantage.

Fuck this has copypasta potential

>>383128418
No fucking shit. But you can't take a spear round to your friend's house.

>>383139195

Spears are shit in M&B though. Greatswrods are where its at

>>383130479
>that episode where Ermey perpetuated the Katana vs Longsword meme and the Katana won every time

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>>383137442
They held it for a century.

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>>383139262
>he doesn't swim in speedbonus

Weak!

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>>383128418
"Turtle>parrying, slashing and stabbing"
prove me wrong"
-OP
You're a pussy, case closed.

>>383137442
>a bunch of sandniggers

You mean one of the single largest armies of muslims led by a man that actually understood strategy? They held it for a century with pretty much no supplies, backup while their homelands were being torn by political strife and backstabbing. Even if they held it for fifty years, it would still be a superhuman accomplishment. As for your second post

>a few orders

It was a single branch of a single order, not even the entirety of it.

>>383139865

The Mamelukes werent to be taken lightly though. They were one of the strongest cavalry forces in the world and would have a solid winning streak until Napoleon came in and conquered Egypt.

>>383139865
No the middle east was ass-fractured and actually fractured for a good chunk of that hundred years. Then some Kurd named Salah ad-Din went around slapping his mighty cock all around the mideast.

>>383140124
That's why trying to use those events in an attempt to discredit the crusaders is pretty fucking stupid, especially if we take into consideration how well they held out against them and for how long. Mameluke cavalry was pretty much what the European traditional knights were, the political power they held differed over time though.

>>383140189
That's exactly who I meant.

>>383140547
Yeah I mean that before him it wasn't so hard.

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Fists>>>>>All
Prove me wrong
Protip you can't

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Spear is better vs low and medium armor opponents.

Sword is better for maneuvering in between opponents openings in armor.

Also once you gets past the spears pointy end the enemy is open for attack.

Sword is deadly at any distance that is it has no dead zone.
Even if someone grabs you you can bash them whit the pummel.
Spear rs only truly deadly part are its ends.

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>>383139561
>You're a pussy
OK but after he kills you he can just tell people you were the pussy.

>>383140584
It's why they weren't being beaten before him, the muslims just jumped on weakened territories after decades of bloody wars. The Byzantines and Persia couldn't leave each other the fuck alone and after the Persians finally lost, the muslim tide swept in and eradicated Persians completely, thrashing the Byzantines too. All the territories they had regained from them were then lost to the muslim invaders and never really regained proper.

>>383140748
>Sword is better for maneuvering in between opponents openings in armor
Not even remotely true. Did you just play For Honour and assume that meant you knew shit about half-swording? Half-swording is an attempt to treat the sword like a spear.
>Also once you gets past the spears pointy end the enemy is open for attack.
True, but there's a LOT of things you can do to bring the pointy end back into range of the opponent.

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>>383140748
>Spear is better vs low and medium armor opponents.

And halfswording was a desperate measure, not a proper way of fighting an enemy. While you're fishing for gaps in his armor, a man at arms wielding a warhammer caves the skull of an armored knight in, dents his armor and then kills him with the spike of his warhammer.

>>383141073
What, exactly, do you think a man-at-arms is?

>>383141073
I am not arguing that halberds and warrhamers are worse than spears or swords just arguing spears vs swords in general.

>>383141260
Someone who fought at Agincourt and showed french knights just how effective "simple looking" weapons such as war picks can be.

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>>383140853
>killing someone by poking behind a shield
>calling him a pussy
nice retarded bait-logic, anon

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>>383141497
You'll be too dead to say otherwise and everyone's going to agree because you couldn't handle him.

>>383141286
Ideally a good soldier either has his own tools for the job or command would provide him the necessary weapons that would be most useful for the military campaign he's in. Swords are a good sidearm because they are universal and can double as spears or even hammers in the worst case scenarios, but they aren't really as good at those tasks as weapons primarily designed for them.

>>383141421
A knight's a rich noble dude who also has a specific role in warfare (shiny armour, polearm, horse, you know the deal). A man-at-arms is someone who has the shiny armour, the polearm and the horse, but doesn't have the noble title. In other words, from a battlefield perspective, they're both exactly the same.

>>383139865
It was actually 2 orders, teutons and livonian order, which later was integrated into teutons few years after battle of saule.

>>383141421
Oh yes, I'm sure it was all down to the Man-at-arms superb weapon loadout and not some arbitrary thing like positioning, numbers and tactics.

>>383141694
No, there are situations where a sword is a good primary weapon. The rodeleros, for example, were used to break up bad-wars (when two pike blocs stalemated against each other); they had a sword and a shield only.

>>383128418
Yeah have fun carrying it everywhere

>>383141739
Men at arms historically didn't start out well equipped, their weapons and armor got progressively better only as centuries passed. They began by wearing quilted gambesons and maille later and were issued more gear towards later medieval times. Knights always wore the best possible equipment from start to finish. Not even men at arms, archers too participated in Agincourt melee, using war picks and hammers as well. To great effect, I might add.

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Best weapon coming through

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>>383142068
BLACKED.COM

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>>383133967
>not even mentioning superior Mongolian shortbow archery

>>383141867
The situations were two pike blocs stalemated against each other were extremely rare and those situations most men would prefer to avoid because more often than not it would result in mutual fucking annihilation. This is just a rare case from a rather isolated time in history of warfare. And you could do it better with an axe actually, much better.

>>383142005
I actually fucked up my typing, because what I meant was that a man-at-arms who isn't a knight is in no way different from a knight on the battlefield.
In other words, all knights are men-at-arms, but not all men-at-arms are knights.
>to great effect
Nope. The archers actually didn't do a whole lot of killing, although they were certainly useful. Indeed some archers were successfully driven off. It was the English men-at-arms who really did the killing. And yes, this was pretty much entirely due to positioning and tactics.

>>383132840
>repeating crossbows?
that shit is only usefull against a army of naked peasants

that shit cant penetrate leather for fuck sake

>>383142250
t. "I still believe Lindybeige and his Anglo lies"
They were decidedly common enough for a whole dedicated kind of soldier to be invented just to break them up -- at first rodeleros, then halberdiers and dudes with zweihanders.
>and you could do it better with an axe actually
Not really, unless you count halberds as axes.

>>383139816

sauce

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Penetrating weapons will always be superior.
Swords are noble and glorious
But a penetrator will destroy another man.

>>383128418
With minor grip adjustments, Swords can also be used as short spears, maces and pole axes, all while being significantly lighter and more wieldy.
There's a reason they got used for thousands of years.

>>383128957
You are the retard here. Spearguy let Swordman go offensive and stabbed him as he moved in to wave the sword. It would have been different if Spearguy attacked first.

>>383142264
The archers didn't do a lot of killing with their arrows you mean, but when the French got close, they either shot from a very close distance or began to use melee weapons like axes and hammers. That was proven to be effective. The general success of Agincourt of course is attributed to terrain serving as a force multiplier and French being idiots, but had the English chose to get bogged down in a bloody battle with swords only, it wouldn't look as pretty for them them.

>>383128657
fuck off back to your dating sim, weeb
that shit ain't real

>>383138801
Thank you proud chinese cartoon watcher

>>383142715
>with swords only
Literally no one would do this. Men-at-arms used polearms, not swords. And it WAS the men-at-arms that did the killing.

>>383139204
Not him but that's completely true. You've never seen a smaller guy just go fucking apeshit on a big cunt?

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>>383142623
You must be 18 or older to post here mate

>>383142848
I am eighteen and I do not know what the source is.

>>383133967
please leave sato-san

>>383128418
not /v/ but it kinda bothered me how little spears were/are used in The Walking Dead

They used them a bit during the prison thing but when out on the road and such they always go back to using knives and subjecting themselves to completely unnecessary danger

I suppose it just looks cooler but come on fuck outta here with that shit

>>383142890
and that is the sad part

>>383128418
Spears > Swords > Axes > Spears

>>383143045
Well? What is it?

>>383143068
gay

>>383142412
Zweihanders were pretty shit swords and what's the point of having a polearm sized sword instead of a fucking polearm? They fell out of use when combined arms became a thing and even at their finest were still a speciality weapon. Try and swing that thing among friendly pikes too. And if the enemy weapons have a reinforced or a steel shaft/ what then? Useless.

>>383142890
Jesus christ you underage fucks don't know anything. Next you'll tell me you have never heard of Moomins.

>>383128418
>He didn't even bother using his shield.
>Opened himself up to the most telegraphed stab ever.
This webum sucks.

>>383128734
this
scrubby shielding 2bh

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>>383142890
What the fuck
Im almost 19 and I know what this fucking show is.
Did you not watch Cartoon Network as a kid or what?

>>383143126
>Zweihanders were pretty shit swords
"no"
>instead of a polearm
You can do the same fancy shit you use longswords for. Also, why use a polearm when you could use a zweihander?
>they fell out of use when combined arms became a thing
It was always a thing you mongoose.
>specialty weapon
No shit. Because they were, themselves, an example of combined arms. You wouldn't plonk zweihanders in the middle of a pike block (well, actually, that's literally where they'd be kept, but they'd come out of the tercio once they were ready to be used). And, no, the zweihanders probably weren't used to literally break the pikes you dongle.
>>383143393
>Did you not watch Cartoon Network as a kid
I did not. We only had four channels, and CN was not one of them.
>>383143167
Of course I've heard of the Moomins.

>>383143041
Spears would suck against Zombies though. Stabbing any organ besides the brain is usually ineffective, you can't dismember with a spear, it's slow vs. crowds and can only hit one zombie at a time, and you risk getting your spear stuck in a zombie.

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>>383143393
>19
>already a pedophile
nice

>>383129831

The longbow was top of the line infantry tech for its time. Shit was ridiculous.

>>383143494
OTOH pike-blocs are literally unstoppable.

>>383143126
>if the enemy weapons have a reinforced or a steel shaft/ what then?
You do what you always do because zweihanders were never made to cut through polearms.

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>being a peasant
Enjoy your crops

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>>383143069
the show is not even that old

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>>383143526
If you havent lived to enjoy smug loli, then you havent lived

>>383143605
Well, at least I can reverse image search it now.

>>383143491
Yes, they were, history itself suggests that. They fell out of use very quickly while single edged swords and sabres were used all the way until world war 1 and its end, along with the cavalry.

http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html#.WV-nPta0lqN

>>383143605
>they see ur dick

>>383130392
>>383129932
LOL shit swords. look how bendy they look. they even bend if they swing them too hard, shit is made out of foam

>>383141662
yeah because blocking/dodging attacks and breaking someone's guard aren't techniques that exist irl...

>>383143661
or you could solve the riddle in the file

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>>383128418
Sabre > Halberd > Sword > Quarterstaff > Spear > Flail

>>383143747
swords are suppose to be wiggly

>>383132946
link

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>>383143747
I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're retarded.

>>383143659
would be a good doujin besides femdom and her sticking shit in his dick, gross

>>383134917
GEE HENRY! how come your liege lets you have TWO pommels?

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>>383142848
It's an edit of a /co/ related meme image from a children's book.

>>383132946
I think Tower of Joy was still worse.

>Best swordsman ever
>Dual wields weapons of identical size (longswords both)
>constantly twirls and spins them for no fucking reason
>Somehow fights out of being surrounded by four or five men on an open field

>>383143709
They fell out of use when the historical context changed. Of course they weren't bad when they were used, or they wouldn't have been used.

Sabres changed designs a lot over that period of history. And, yeah, ALONG with the cavalry. Their historical role did not change as wildly as the zweihander.
>thearma
lol

>>383129932
>>383130392

Close, but not yet it. Still, a step in the right direction.

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>>383143757
>B-but if I do everything perfectly I can overcome superior weaponry!
And if he does everything perfectly with his superior weaponry he can overcome you and then go back to town and tell everyone that you died like a bitch.

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>>383128418

thats ignoring the fact that Jorah killed this fag 30 seconds later with a longsword

>>383144015
Care to suggest a better general source or just gonna shitpost instead?

>>383144003
>Dual wields weapons of identical size
You can actually do it. Case of rapiers, for example. However, that specific example is dumb.
>>383144097
>shitpost
Did you ignore the entire rest of my post? Yes. Anyway, Osprey or Matt Easton or an actual historian or really any HEMA source other than the guy who thinks parrying with the edge wasn't a thing.

>>383143393

I'm thirty and I hate the fact that I know what show that is. Fuck my life.

>>383144053
Ahlspiess are so fucking good

>>383143494
How so?

I really don't see the issues that would arise of poking them through the head with a sharp stick, especially compared to getting within breath's length to perform the same task with a knife

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>>383143941
>would be a good doujin besides femdom
>besides

>>383144061
fuck game of thrones

>>383129932
>>383130392
Apparently Shakespeare's plays used this kinda fighting because they had actual fencing instructors.
>>383130128
Hello false-flagging /pol/

>>383144257
>dual-wielding rapiers
Are you retarded? Honest question. Rapiers were paired up with a dagger that was used to counter other rapiers.

>>383128418
>slash
>lots of blood come out
>next shot no blood on the ground

What a garbage show.

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>>383144514
They were also paired with rapiers by people who, let's be honest, wanted to show off. There's actually a lot of cool stuff you can do with two rapiers instead of rapier + dagger, but it's also much harder.

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>>383144514

>>383144257
depends what kind of sword you were using, but I doubt anyone claims parrying with the blade edge never happened, just that it was avoided and is undesirable especially in a battle where ensuring your weapon survives is important. People will have been forced to use swords in all manner of ways, often they wouldn't even have been able to see what their blade was striking.

>>383144257
The rest of your post doesn't really say anything against the fact that zweihanders were a kind of weapon that weren't really good for much outside of their intended use and didn't get to stick around when the warfare changed. Thanks for the recommendations though, I was actually familiar with Scholagladiatoria before. The role of the cavalry didn't change all that much either, until it became worthless due to automatic firearms. Shock, scout and skirmish.

>>383138801

Gooks are Vietnamese retard, Koreans are zipperheads

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>>383128418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdEy460aI7U

>>383144685
>>383144706
>both used the same picture
Kek. At least one of you agrees it's unviable, and I'm pretty sure nobody ever used two rapiers im a real duel.

>>383134745
this was a really cool movie

there is so much retard ITT it hurts

go read a book and you might learn why every army had more swords than spears

>>383144829
>The word was used by U.S. Marines in the early 20th century;[1][2] the earliest written example is dated 1920.[3]
>Folk etymology suggests that during the Korean War, young Korean children would point at U.S. soldiers and shout in Korean 미국 (Miguk, “America”). Soldiers heard the word as “mee gook”, as if the children were defining themselves as “gooks”.

>>383144807
>that weren't really good for much outside of their intended use
...Well, yeah. Why would they be good at things outside their intended use? I'm not sure what you think this is. History isn't some kind of Deadliest Warrior where you can compare weapons on an abstracted basis. Each weapon is produced to fill a certain niche, and it will be very good at that niche, and only rarely are some weapons straight-up better than others at that niche role.
>the role of cavalry didn't change all that much
Gustavus Adolphus radically changed how they were used, just to name one example.
>>383144782
Ensuring YOU survive is more important. And your weapon isn't going to break.

>>383144974
Someone naturally ambidextrous perhaps, but then again, having two long onehanded weapons would just have them get in each others way even if you are very good at controlling and know the effective range of a weapon and its motions perfectly, because in a duel the enemy will attempt to disrupt you.

>>383145063
Eh? Swords are skill- and workhour-expensive. Spears are a bit of metal on a stick. Armies have a lot of dudes who need weapons.
Please elaborate or point me towards a book

>>383144937
Lel. Is this movie even watchable?

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>Swordfags

>>383144061
With a forward roll no less.

>>383145385
Armies did have a lot of swords. They were good sidearms, and in some cases were good primary weapons. Armies also had a lot of spears, because in many roles they are very good primary weapons.

>>383138879
>>>/n/eogaf
>>>/f/unnyjunk
>>>/k/otaku

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>>383141260

>>383145408
Why does armor look so bad in real life compared to even realistic fantasy like dark souls?

>>383144492
>Being a divisive kike in a comfy thread about weapons

>>383144974
>I'm pretty sure nobody ever used two rapiers im a real duel.
Not to nitpick, but absolute statments like that are generally wrong. Someone somewhere very likely fought using 2 rapiers at least once. Frankly I'd imagine that the main reason people settled for an offhand dagger was that carrying around 2 rapiers would be impractical.

>>383145634
Because gothic armour actually looks kinda gay and DS doesn't usually use gothic armour.

>>383145634
because youre gay

>>383145678
You too, my big-nosed friend.

>>383145479
Swords are great overall, not debating that. But as a sidearm, was it worth the effort over having people just bring their dad's old hatchet or hammer.

>>383145853
Why not bring their dad's old sword?
I'm assuming by hatchet and hammer you're referring to war-axes and warhammers.

>>383128418
spear was a peasant weapon, a small sharp piece of metal on a long stick because it was cheap.
>prove me wrong
i would if i could, you push a spear aside make the opponent retract the spear to get it close to match you getting closer to them and you stab or cut them down as they are trying to back off to try and use the pointy end of heir sticks

>>383145898
No, I'm referring to old tools with sharp and/or heavy metal on the end.
I actually have no idea what time period we're even talking about so I'll drop this

>>383145205
He didn't change it that radically and a lot of those changes were implemented earlier by other people, like the French. He changed how the cavalry was used, he didn't change its role. His economic and logistics changes were probably far more important than what he did for the military. They still did the same skirmishing, they still did the same charges, just that now they had to contend with people shooting at you and you shooting at them. The point I was trying to make that Zweihander fell out of use too quickly for a weapon that is so popular in modern culture. It didn't last long at all, while typical longswords or sabres, stuck around for quite some time.

>>383131060
being a better fighter with any weapon>any stupid ranking system you guys can make

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>>383145976
>spear was a peasant weapon
>present in manuscripts meant for people educated enough to be literate

>>383145976
So it's both an idiot and an internet tough guy episode. Neat.

>>383146164
>I'm referring to old tools
Old tools are old tools. You can't use a wood-axe in a battle you dongle, they're horrible weighted and, you know, made for striking down the horrible enemy known as trees.
>>383146169
>He changed how the cavalry was used, he didn't change its role
what

As for popular culture -- a LOT of things stuck in popular culture despite not lasting very long. Pirates, for example.

>>383146267
Peasants could be educated. A peasant soldier would very likely be literate to some degree.

>>383128418
That may be true but halberd > spears

>>383146535
This. But pikes > halberd.

is that from an old episode of GoT? i genuinely don't recall that at all

>using weapons

>>383146429
You know, the role of the cavalry of shock and awe, recon and harassment. These are the classic roles of the cavalry and they didn't go anywhere until cavalry itself fell out of use because a brilliant Swedish commander decided that having the cavalry back off while they're reloading their weapons is a great idea.

>>383146631
Adolphus was the guy who brought back the idea of using heavy cavalry for shock.

>>383146573
This but spears > pikes

>>383146747
"no"

really pikes are spears but that's not really how anyone uses the words

>>383146698
It was a part of his offensive focus doctrine, yes. But it's not like he invented that role, he just reapplied it to an era of flint/matchlock firearms and cannon dominated warfare. As for the pirates, they actually lasted for quite a bit, unless you mean Caribbean basin specifically. Hell, there's piracy today and I don't mean the way that term is applied by corporate drones to people that attempt to freely share information between each other, equating it to an act of high seas murder, robbery, unlawful seizure of property and grievous property damage.

>>383146987
>But it's not like he invented that role
But it is like he changed what had previously been the role of cavalry.
I do mean Caribbean basin specifically, i.e. the kind represented in popular culture.

>>383128418
What if we combined a sword and spear into one superweapon? It would be unstoppable

>>383128418
Why is GOT fight choreography so bad?

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>>383144053
>if he does everything perfectly
Because you need a certain skill to be able to poke someone when you're protected by your shield? He has literally nothing to do besides hiding and poking at the same time...
>superior weaponry
Some swords are used to poke too, i don't see how a spear can be superior to a sword if the sword can poke like a spear...

>>383147337
Been done, and yeah they're alright, but halberds are better.

>>383145408
>hitting the chest

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>>383147358
Spear can slash like a sword

get

rekt

>>383146493
>Peasants could be educated.
Not really the point guy.

>>383128884
>>383128836
the plural of samurai is samurai

>not knowing CIA's formidable DUO WEELD skills that would have put Jackie Chan under for good if it wasn't for his arrogance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDt9FrVOPZk

>>383147530
What was the point?
I mean peasants also used swords. Like, a lot. I dunno what either of you are trying to say.

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>>383147190
Well, I can't really argue against that, since it would count as changing the role of cavalry from being "almost useless" at the time to something other than that. Was a fun conversation, anon. Have this.

>>383147538
And the plural of katana is katana.
Oh wait we're speaking English, not Nipponese, so we can do what we want.

>>383147558
I can't watch a movie starring CIA with a straight face anymore. Thanks /tv/ memers.

>>383147632
You theoretically can choose to spell the words incorrectly but that won't stop it from making me upset.

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>>383146493
>Peasants could be educated. A peasant soldier would very likely be literate to some degree.
>peasants had access to spear manuscripts
Lmao

>>383147590
>What was the point?
That people who were not peasants also used spears. I don't know why you're bringing up swords right now.

>>383147416
And if we combined the spword with the halberd?

>>383147787
Then you just get the glaive again.

>>383145408
It's physically impossible for a human being to strike with a sword so hard that it would penetrate a plate armor.
Even if he could summon so much strength it would instead break his own bones before cutting through plated steel.

>>383144353
The length and weight would make it more difficult to accurately hit a small moving target like a head, and less momentum means you're less likely to penetrate the skull.
Don't get me wrong, knives suck too, but what you really want is a good long cleaver.

>>383134917
It's a spare one to unscrew and throw at your foes

>>383147558
>Mr. Chan, I'm Dual Wield.

>>383147358
>Because you need a certain skill to be able to poke someone when you're protected by your shield?
Yes, even an untrained pleb isn't going to just walk onto a spear and that same untrained pleb can still kill me if I don't keep the shield between my body and his weapon.

>i don't see how a spear can be superior to a sword
Range, the same thing that makes a sword superior to a knife.

>>383147739
peasants most likely used spears it's way cheaper than a sword an easier to rebuild if you break it
it's basically like a big arrow and it's pretty good against cavalry
so it was probably the peasants's weapons of choice

>>383147558
If they ever did a movie about Drizzt do Urden that's how I envision him fighting.

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>>383148283
>peasants most likely used spears
Yes Anon, yes they did.

Why are fat people that get winded from walking down the street discussing nuances of warfare and melee combat?

>>383129831
>>383141421
Then the English and their longbows got BTFO by the French at Patay, people always forget that there were more battles in the Hundred Years' War than Crecy and Agincourt and that the whole series of conflicts that is the war ended with a French victory.

>>383145697
Nah, it was more because having a lighter weapon that's more effective for defense is better than having two swords that serve the same purpose.
One stab is often enough, why have two stabby swords?

>>383148486
i'm not the one who replied to you before though ^^

>>383148514
projection

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>>383148564
Then I don't see why you replied at all.

>>383148514
well why are you ?

>>383128884
>>383128836
Samurai were trained in like 5 or 6 martial styles.

The sword wielding samurai is more of a romantic myth born from the post-unification time of Japan. When the three daimyo abolished the old shogun/fuedal system, thousands of errant samurai found themselves out of work when their lords were stripped of their lands and wealth. With nothing to their name except their clothes and a sword, selling their family armor to survive and renting themselves to wealthy merchants and the new nobles to make money.