What is up with Japan's obsession with killing God?

to be fair god is kind of a dick

God represents the imperialism, superiority, and all-encompassing power of the white man.

>>383051104
Cause life sucks?

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You shall be smote!

>>383051104
Because its cool. Better question is, why don't more Western games let you kill god?

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>>383051104
It's just Nips ripping off our western mythologies and applying what they find cool.

We did the exact same shit. Pic related. Or what? do you sincerely think one drunk white guy actually went on to help a Samurai rebelion?

>>383051847
The west is filled with Christfags

>>383051104
Because Japan has always had a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity, Catholicism, and other western religions.

>>383051104

Everyone wanted to copy evangelion.

>>383051104
Because is interesting.

Isn't Christkiller a racial slur towards Asians? I don't remember where I heard it but I remember it because I thought that was more towards Jews initially.

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>>383051745
Do it

>>383052286
Some centuries ago they killed all the christians in Japan.
>mfw my name is Cristian
>in Japan people think that I'm a missionary, very religious or I love Jesus

>>383051349
Truth.

Because they're a country of heathens who think it's more fun to hold festivals where they worship statues of 8 foot penises instead of asking for salvation through Jesus Christ.

>>383052139
Also this. One suicidal edgelord made a gorillion dollars with that theme so everyone else jumped on the boat.

>>383051905
>who is williams adams

>>383051104
Nothing wrong with killing a "god" that's basically just a manmade bloodthirsty AI superweapon with a clone lab attached though.

Because God is seen there as just being a super-powerful dude worthy of an RPG end boss. It's just like how people in the West use figures from mythology as enemies in games. An ancient Greek might see it as disrespectful for us to use their made-up concepts in a game rather than taking them seriously, but to us they're just cool ideas available to be repurposed and we don't think twice about it because we know it's fiction. Same with atheist countries and God.

It's mostly edgelords that are into shimigami tensei and persona games. The only reason why persona is more popular is because they got waifu fags on board. Most of these kill god, angels are the evil or heaven is worst than hell stories are animeish and edgy to even be taken seriously. The only thing japs get right is just gameplay and level design tho.

>>383053298
But "god" usually is an AI, a machine, an alien or something else. It's not Jehovah or whatever.

>>383051104
>What is up with Japan's obsession with killing God?
I've played a shitload of JRPGs and I can only think of two games where you actually kill God, as in the real deal, not some random supernatural being/deity/demon, Xenogears isn't one of those.

Besides, Japan isn't tainted by christfags yet so they really have no problems with killing gods, like all politheistic societies.

>>383051847
In the west, God is seen as a force of nature, an inevitability, something that exists outside of time and space. "Killing" God when your notion of a deity is such a thing is tantamount to ending all creation, the self, and anything you could possibly care about. In that way, the west does have thing about killing God, except it's more of an asserted nihilism than the triumph of man over an overwhelming force.

In Japan, the Christian God is simply viewed as a deity in a large group of deities, somewhat like a super powered regional deity whose followers managed to subjugate most of the world. He's seen as something that can be overcome by a test of strength and will, and a "god" is simply seen as the one with the most power to assert their will.

So really, when you kill God in a Japanese game, it's really just an eastern or pagan interpretation of a deity in the skins of western trappings. Nips love the iconic looks of western religions and love to use them as springboards for their own ideas, and at its core, their stories aren't always bad, even if overused. It's simply that they're somewhat displeasing to westerners because their concept of God doesn't match the east's.

>>383051745
Rick and Morty reference
Awesome

>>383053656
"God" misrepresenting his power and merely presenting himself as more powerful than he actually is, through ignorance or arrogance, is at least as old as Christianity in the western world. Gnosticism was a contemporary of the Cathodox church.

>>383053542
God in Xenogears is literally Yahweh. It was changed by a butthurt American translator working on the game.

>>383054009
>God in Xenogears is literally Yahweh
It's literally a codename for a huge bioweapon, it's not the real deal.

>>383051104
Because God(s) usually are the most powerful beings in the universe so they make great final boss

>>383051104
Regressed memories from being slapped over the head when they were supposed to be praying to Buddha as children

>>383054236
You don't pray to buddha.

>>383053940
alright luciferian, enjoy your ""enlightened darkness"".

>>383053710
Fucking faggot

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>>383051104
>japanese kill god in their games
>westerners kill god in real life

>>383051104
Because most weeb games are about powertripping fantasies and they ran out of ideas of what to make players fight

>>383053710
Anon, I...

>>383054147
Yeah but didn't Xenosaga make the real god appear somewhere in there? I thought that silver haired guy you travel around with was literally Jesus in disguise.

Japanese fantasy writers mine western occultism and Gnosticism for all its worth

>>383054492
wow homophobic much?

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In a touhou perspective you are just killing one, really powerful god, and there are still gods out there.

>>383053710
Not even a thousand deaths would be fitting punishment for thy sins! I shall smite thee, and in hell I shall torture thee over and over! After an aeon, I shall reincarnate thee, and thy lives shall be those of endless torment, thy bodies tortured in life and thy souls in death! The same shall come to thy children, and thy children's children, throughout all eternity until the end of time! Feel the wrath of my divine lightning, and plummet into the bowels of hell, burning in its unending flames!

In the years leading up to WWII Shintoism was twisted into being about nationalism and racial superiority which they blame for the war and their loss in it. They insert themes about false gods and people using religion for their own ends in their media as a way to warn against things like that ever happening again.

>>383052589
It's worth noting that, at the time, Christians were treating most everyone in Asia almost worse than Europeans treated Africans. If you weren't kissing their ass while converting, they'd openly call you a savage and treat you as such. This went all the way up to the Emperors. The few that did actually try to not treat the unconverted Asians like dirt were openly denounced by the Vatican.

>>383054593
>Yeah but didn't Xenosaga make the real god appear somewhere in there
No, maybe you're referring to the Wave Existence which is not god in any case unless you consider a very animu caricature of Spinoza's idea of God the "real god".

Sometimes, though not always, it's part of a metaphor that basically says that organized religion (like, say, Christianity) is responsible for social ills and the high-ups taking advantage of their position to oppress and manipulate the poor fools at the bottom into doing things against their best interests and bringing their neighbors who aren't part of the religion down with them.

Meanwhile, the good side often has a more general spirituality (like, say, Shintoism) that's more loosely connected through traditional rituals but not with any central authority so thousands of local and personal rituals for any number of minor divine forces and/or ancestor spirits can perpetuate.

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>>383054821
Underage detected.

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>>383051104
Because God was not on their side during World War 2.

>>383052771
>evangelion
>having anything at all to do with killing god

>>383051471
this

Also, in RPGs your numbers keep getting higher and higher. At some point, god is the only appropriate foe for such high numbers.

>>383054494
neat

>>383052771
to be fair, it IS more fun to hold festivals to worship statues of 8 foot penises

>>383054009
no his name is Yabeh, he represents the demiurge, he's not god

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>>383051104
Mythology is neat.

>>383054593
the real "god" is the wave existence

>>383051104
Western games like Dark Souls do it too. I don't know what the problem is.

>>383055497
Yabeh is just how Japanese people pronounce Yahweh and it's also a pun on "yabai". This is all from the mouth of the translator. In the final game he's called Deus anyway.

>>383055396
>being THIS fucking stupid
damn son...

>>383055770
>>383055770
>Western games like Dark Souls

Ummm anon there is something you should know

>>383053940
Regardless of old western beliefs (Which would also include many pagan religions and other concepts), the prevailing line of thought throughout most of the west is that God is responsible for creation as a whole and creation cannot exist without him. It's fine to not agree with that, and certainly there have been various entities claiming to be the one, true God, but typically the largest, most influential religion on the west defines God as the previous statement, a belief that was held by many of the peoples of Europe until the last century or two. It stands to reason that even if more and more of the population doesn't believe in God, they're still holding the same notion of God and rejecting that particular line of thought.

>>383054593
Yeah, the engine in Deus\Yahweh trapped a godlike entity in itself when humans tested it for the first time, but you don't kill it, you help it getting freed from it's prison

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>>383055617
Even though he says he's not. He's just an infinitely superior entity, that we can't help but perceive as a God because it's the only name we have for something so incomprehensible. He's probably just a normal being back in its own dimension.

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It will happen!

>>383056313
>unfunny poorly drawn facebook comic
*yawn*

>>383054940
This always annoyed me in FFXIV.

>Literally everyone and their dog can use magic in some way, shape, or form, including wild beasts both fantastic and mundane.
>A tribe of humans are genetically incapable of magic, and as such are ripe targets for conquest and subjugation for centuries by nearby other tribes.
>Eventually driven to the north, they develop the science behind why other races can use magic and use machines to draw upon the same energies and power their creations.
>Said creations are incredibly powerful, and the tribe uses them to conquer and subjugate all of those who warred against them in the past.
>Have intentions to unite the world and curb dangerous magics before they bring about another Umbral Era (Basically an era of hard times were society gets wrecked hard).
>Are constantly portrayed as the bad guys, every single leader is shown as a homicidal maniac.
>Despite their, their only true crime is not being favored by a patron god that grants them the ability to manipulate Aether like everyone else, an energy that has been responsible for every previous Umbral Era.

Like, seriously, I think Japan cares less about killing God and more about portraying the hippy backwards people as strong enough to repel modern forces looking to bend them over.

>>383055159
Your killing his posse, the angels. That's just as bad.

They don't really understand monotheistic religions and Japan is one of the least religious countries on Earth.

>>383054593
Deus is a man made artificial biological interplanetary super weapon that people named after god. Deus goes rogue and was subsequently crashed into an uninhabited nearby planet which damages it. To repair itself Deus artificially creates human life on said planet, so it could later absorb their biomass and use it to fix its damaged sections, in a way becoming a god. Deus was powered by an anomalous artifact, the Zohar, which was older than our universe and contained a higher dimensional sentient entity, the Wave Existence, which in our dimension effectively had limitless power so much so that you might also call it god, even if nothing in the game was actually god in the biblical magic man in the clouds who says "let their be light" sense.

>>383056887
Gaius did nothing wrong

>>383051104
I loved Xenogears so should I pick up World of Final fantasy?

>>383053710
wtf this post made me think

>>383057349
Might as well play Figureheads too if a single easter egg is all you need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMHRWrVMJRA

If Nobunaga hadn't gotten shanked in the back by that bitch boy Akechi, I guarantee you Christians wouldn't have become persecuted in the first place and there would probably be more than 2% practicing Christians in Japan right now

>>383051104
America literally killed their god emperor in WW2.

>>383056156
>ywn fall into an alternate reality where you will be mistaken for the all-powerful creator of the cosmos

Feels bad

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>>383051104
Is that snot coming out of his nose?

>>383057093
Yeah but I'm talking about Saga, not Gears. I only played the first game and it sucked so bad I quit, but I read the one guy was Jesus in disguise or reincarnated.

>>383051905
Tom Cruise really is the last samurai, though.

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>>383058202
It's a mask

>>383058404
I honestly wish they had gone with an alternate interpretation of the title. This must have been cringe as fuck to the Japanese, labeling a westerner as the Last Samurai.

>>383053710
fuck off gabe
go eat some shitty ass

>>383057825
good thing he got killed then. too much of the world is polluted with abrahamic religions already

>>383056156
yeah that's why I put "god" in parenthesis

>>383051104
They want to rebel against tradition but are too passive to do anything about it in real life

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>>383058202
yes

>>383057093
I hope i'm not tripping (i've read Perfect Works waaaay too fucking long ago) but i think i somewhat remember that Zohar's origin point was supposedly the actual center of the Universe, as in, the very point of Big Bang, so it fittingly acts as an Origin on the Time\Space coordinates, being able to bend both to bring an Event to itself. And it traps Wave Existence in itself when they first connect it to Deus, it doesn't contain it from the get go

>>383058497
It isn't labeling Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai. The title refers to the group of samurai he joins.

>>383051104
when you exist in a hive-like society of bug people who operate like robots on schedules, stories about a manifesting supreme freedom of will become pretty appealing.

>>383054593
>I thought that silver haired guy you travel around with was literally Jesus in disguise.
chaos was a disciple or something. I don't remember if they said he was an apostle, but I don't think they did. You only see the back of Jesus's head, but you can tell it's not any recurring character.

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>>383051104
Nips are heathens.

>>383058326
It's the same shit except now the higher dimensional entity is named U-DO.

>>383051104
Because he let Hiroshima and Nagasaki happen

>>383058989
Maybe if they hadn't wasted their time praying to penises he wouldn't have let it happen.

>>383057825
Mitsuhide was a son of a bitch and Nobu still looked down on christians and laughed at them to begin with, even if he didn't betray him not much would have changed.
Also, both Ieyasu and the monkey didn't like christians, so Nobu was a non issue, the moment they tried to rebel against the governement they lost the battle, should have done like they did in China if they wanted to leave a mark.

>>383051471
You realize he's a fucking Arab, right?

>>383051104
What game is this ?
Xenogears?

>>383059146
yeah

>>383058497
>>383051905
samurai in the title are plural

You also have to destroy god in Breath of Fire 2, and sort of in 3 even though that one's a goddess

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>>383055770
>Dark Souls
>Western game

I heard this game has great story told in an obnoxious, unenjoyable way.
Is that true?

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>boss is a god
>he actually has enough power to delete game saves and wrestle the control over characters from your hands

>>383059301
>You also have to destroy god in Breath of Fire 2
That's one pussyass demon who fooled a cult of literal idiots, he's not a god, neither is the case of 3, they're just really powerful supernatural beings.

You can't kill something that doesn't exist.

>>383059301
The only actual gods in BoF are in BoF4 and you still only fight a half-god.
Though it's amusing that in a bad end you can become a complete god who pretty much cannot lose.

>>383059464
The second disk is mostly a cutscene because the budget ran out/was cut.

You picked a bad example, OP, since he just wants to kill the world's creator, not the legit god.

>>383059464
The second half is literally watching your character sit in a chair and give a 30 minute monologue before going to another character who does the same. There are maybe like 3 battles the entire disc.

>>383051104
Sauce?

>>383060016

Monster Girl Quest

God's an asshole. He deserves it.

>>383060016
Boku no Clockwork Orange to Terrabithia

>>383060113
Enjoy your locusts

>>383051104
I think there is cool power complex of killing God himself that appeals to the Japs

>>383060154
Thank you for proving my point, God.

>>383060214
Fuck you. Sacrifice more cows or you will get leprosy.

>>383060016
Xenosaga X Disc 3

>>383060214
>disobedient children should not be punished

What a liberal paradise this is

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>>383060154
Get on with the times Sky Daddy.

>>383060353
>your parent kills people, gives people cancer, ruins people's lives, etc., etc. for no reason
>you should still listen to him.
I dunno, god seems like a crazy person.
I mostly don't care about religion of any kind because it's not something that generally comes up in my daily life, but any time I think about it, it just seems bad

>>383051104
Also, there's an obsession with: I'm not real! I have all the emotions, brains and functions of a normal human, but I'm not REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL! That makes me... sad, but ultimately changes none of my goals, personality or ideals.

I don't get it and it seems like a different culture thing.

Also Organisation 13 was the stupidest shit ever. I have no emaotions, which makes me sad, which gives me the desire to have emotions and I have enough greed for emotions to do morally questionable things in order to fulfil my lust for emotions. Obtaining emotions will make me happy and fulfilled because I have no emotions.

Please give those emo faggots a back seat and concentrate on the fun shit of KH.

>>383059885
>>383059692
So you're saying I'm better off watching a full playthrough?

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>>383053046
you talkin' about me, boyo?

>>383051104
until the end of ww2, they thought their emperor was a literal god for thousands of years.

their god was a physical being, who was mortal.


also they got a different culture in general so it could just be an idea westerners havnt really thought of since christianity has god everywhere at once

>>383060595
>for no reason

Disobeying the rules is a good reason. Be glad it's just a swarm of bugs and not an actual prison like we came up with where you're raped 24/7 by angry black men.

>>383060353
>A God that does fuck all and is a gratuitous dick should be revered
Nice try YHVH.

>>383061018
Okay m8.

>>383054940
>Meanwhile, the good side often has a more general spirituality (like, say, Shintoism) that's more loosely connected through traditional rituals but not with any central authority so thousands of local and personal rituals for any number of minor divine forces and/or ancestor spirits can perpetuate.

not sure about this, old japan had a ton of authority, in the late 19th-mid 20th century, peasants were basically slaves

>>383057062
because we literally made their god surrender to us in ww2

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>>383060656
>I have no emaotions
>which makes me sad

I was always under the impression it's because the East likes to focus on stories about fighting against that which you can't control, and God is kind of the ultimate manifestation of that. If you can defeat the thing which dictates destiny and the such, then you essentially take control of your own life.

On the opposite end, the West focuses more on the personal. Stories tend to be about the protagonist vs an individual or group with more personal goals. Obviously there are exceptions to both.

Or maybe I've just been reading too much into it.

>>383059072
>Nobunaga still looked down on Christians

I heard the exact opposite. Are you sure about your history?

>>383051104
Because its cool. No underhanded commentary. western developers should try that a bit more

>>383061335
There's a lot of ingrained perception of how good things used to be as opposed to the reality of things, and also that many of these stories are from post-WWII (and for video games especially, post-economic bubble) Japan, too.

That, and people aren't usually thinking of State Shinto for their model.

Read the works of the Japanese author of Silence, the inspiration for the recent movie.

Basically japs are emotionless, passionless robots with a deafness towards faith and God. They only act so civically because they're drones that want to fit into the system.

>>383051104
Because why not? Like they already killed their own gods countless of times in all shapes and sizes

Less people should kowtow to dumb fedora memes. It's fun to kill god.

>>383062902
afaik nobunaga didn't really give a shit about religion in general but was willing to use tools from whomever was offering as long as they didn't interfere with his ambitions

doubt he would have given a shit about the ikko ikki if they hadn't been in open opposition to him while controlling important logistic and economic routes

>>383063106
>implying religiousfags are hearing faith or god.

>>383051104
because it's cool. It's a seemingly unreachable goal that our heroes achieve after undergoing many trials together, rising beyond humanity's limits.

>>383064337
>he can't feel the heartbeat of the universe

get enlightened

>>383064337
In anon's case, it's contrarian-ism towards the vocal minority of "fedora tipper" atheists.

>>383053710
Man, I know you're just trolling but you're going to attract people who actually think that way.

Poe's law and such.

>>383056313
I wish. The christian God is as much a war deity as any other with how much he commanded his followers/prophets/judges to wage war in his name, and how he supposedly had direct control over their victories and losses. Jesus is a very pacifist figure in the gospel books, but his portrayals in the apocalyptic prophecies frame him as a conqueror.

>>383066120
>gnosticism and the demiurge are actually really good answers to all the problems with christianity

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>>383066120
This desu.

>>383066429
it makes sense he was some greater being's retard baby when he LOST TRACK OF ADAM AND EVE DESPITE BEING OMNIPOTENT

>>383066120
>The christian God is as much a war deity as any other

You're more correct than you know. Yahweh Sabaoth traditionally "Lord of hosts" is more accurately rendered as Yahweh, god of the army as a 'host' was a group of armed men.
Originally the younger more virile deity to the elder king of the gods Elyon in the same pattern seen throughout the region.

That's why there's all the stories about how you're not supposed to count your soldiers because Yahweh's heavenly army will be with you to give you victory.
Also why Yahweh's avatar Joshua (same name as Jesus actually) is a mighty military leader whose super powers have been downplayed in the modern version by mostly subordinating him to a priestly figure.

>>383068197
The omnipotent / omniscient doctrines didn't exist when that story originated. Unfortunately the editor who threw the bible together felt he had to keep that story, but thought that the awesome battle between Yahweh and the chaos dragon Leviathan to explain how he became king of the gods was embarrassing because they were moving towards monotheism.

Still didn't do a very good job of that since it still has language that uses gods in plural and has commandments and practices that imply multiple gods, or that gods are limited in power.

Like there's this one story where in order to worship Yahweh in a foreign land some dirt from Yahweh's turf has to be taken away, which was a standard practice in empires at the time to keep your client people's gods on your side, but suggests that the concept of a global or cosmic deity didn't really exist in the culture at the time.

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What the fucks used with all the hardcore high on morality christfags on 4chan these days? Imo it's a very serious mental illness. You people are just as mentally ill as those kooky hardcore liberals desu

>>383051349
/thread

>>383051349
Which god?

>>383070261
Ahura Mazda

>>383070787
Nah, he's cool. He had the wisdom to settle down and just make awesome cars. Though he should bring back the rotaries.

>>383068445
Of course, there are plenty of old testament stories about God (Yahweh) aiding Israeli armies in war.

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>>383070916
>bring back the rotaries
Time to play some Drive Girls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftD46AKv5w

>>383069045
>awesome battle between Yahweh and the chaos dragon Leviathan to explain how he became king of the gods
That sounds great.

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>>383053710

>>383071069
On a darker note, Yahweh may have been the subject of human sacrifice.

The whole Issac story seems to revolve around the practice of sacrifice of the first born infant, including an earlier version where its carried out that we have references to, but no longer have extant copies. Isaac's wrestling with Yahweh followed shortly by Ishmael's return may have originally been a resurrection appearance of the sacrificed first born son as part of Yahweh's heavenly army.

In evidence that human sacrifice wasn't originally condemned there's also Jephthah's daughter, who faces a similar ordeal, but with no divine intervention.

>>383054236
>>383054343
Humorously, one of the tenets of buddhism actually does explain it.

“If you meet the Buddha, kill him.”

It's an ideal where if you're capable of meeting it, you're capable of surpassing it. And so the thing you met is imperfect. And an ideal you surpass is false and dangerous. Because it imposes either limitation or the loss of purpose and direction. So it must be destroyed.

>>383071471

>Only jap cars

who is care

>>383051104
Analogy for America.

>>383059251
wrong, the localized titles are singular and those are sent by the studio.

>>383060016
Xenogears.Disc 1 is jRPG whereas Disc 2 is a VN.

>>383071623
Yeah, it sucks that it got pulled out, apparently because it was similar to the story of how Marduk became king of the gods after fighting Tiamat.
The deuteronomist editors weren't fans of fun and thought that the similarity indicated it was corruption from the Babylonians, but it was probably simply a common story motif through the region as we have lots of creation through combat myths.

The sequence of events seems to be -
Elyon and the elder gods are powerless to stop Leviathan the dragon
Yahweh, the young virile god was counciled by Nahushtan, one of the dragons in how to defeat Leviathan
He went before the gods and said he would kill Leviathan and if he did they would make him king
Yahweh, defeated Leviathan but was killed in the process
Asherah his consort anointed his body and he was raised from the dead to become king of the gods on the third day

Its kind of a mix between the Babylonian myth, and the Greek myth.
Complete with Nashushtan as the prometheus character the elder god who takes pity on the younger gods to save them, before betraying them to aid their own offspring humanity.

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>>383051104
Gods stand in the way of the glory of man. There is no place in this word for them. Demons can all die too. Everything inhuman can burn.

>>383051104
killing god is cool since it represents your character's complete mastery over the setting. the protagonist (and thus you) proves themselves as stronger and more willful then any higher power, and is in complete control of his fate non-subservient to any other.

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>>383056156
>here he's all powerful
>in his home dimension be works 9-5 for minimum wage, has a baby mama he hates, is balding and is low key suicidal

>>383056890
The angels are just aliens.

>>383062902
Must be, seeing as nobu became a christian.

>>383051104

It's an East Asian mythology storytelling thing, there are lots of stories of people challenging celestial deities of sorts. Some just sporting challenges to prove themselves and others are trying to kill said deities for whatever reason.

>>383053046

That faggot wasn't even a real samurai, he was a jew that made the nips money, so they kept him around and gave him the title for shits.

>>383074818
Not only east asian, its present in the bible as well not only with humans challenging other gods, but with Job and Isaac challenging Yahweh.

Gnostic religions are basically built entirely around the idea.

>>383051104
God doesn't like sex. Japan lives off their porn, hentai, Eroge, sex peripherals, etc. Self explanatory.

>>383075194

Maybe that's why gods don't visit people in our reality anymore. Our ancestors fought them all and booted them out of their home.

Speaking of which I need to catch up on Feng Shen Ji.

>>383075595
That's pretty good reason.

>>383059103
Christianity came to Japan on European boats

>>383051104

Because Japan is redpilled on the jews, they always talk about the Jewish God, the Messiah, and not Jesus Christ.
In all RPGs they always use the first hebraic bible from the jews.
(see smt, xeno, shadow hearts etc.)

Gods (read: Aliens) kept coming and enslaving the human race. Then you had other gods coming in and fighting the existing gods over who will rule the human race. Meanwhile mankind is also fighting back by stealing technology and raping their alien women or them raping human woman to create demigods that also fight back against the alien occupation.

Eventually all the gods/aliens said fuck it and left because it's ended up not being worth it to enslave us and/or they already acquired all the mythical resources our planet used to have.

Now all we have left are memes from those times long ago we create into religions

>>383075690
Well yeah, our ancestors sealed up the Stargate and the Gods avoided Earth for a few thousand years as a result because we were too dangerous and not worth their time.

That TV show was all misinformation aimed at making anyone who talks about it seem silly.
You can look it up though, Project Stargate was real there's military budget allocations for it on record.

The Chinese and Japanese had a bad history with Catholic missionaries and slave traders so its' cool over there to hate God.

>>383075595
Actually also really close to the true origin of the myth.

The gods created the man to tend the garden, they only made one. Its not clear if they created more as he aged out or if he was allowed to eat the fruit of life which the gods eat it to maintain their immortality.

Later when they created a female human one of the elder gods who was pissed at the younger ones for being asshats told the humans that Yahweh had lied to them about the fruit of knowledge (carnal knowledge / reproduction) they ate the fruit and became capable of having kids.

At that point the gods kicked the humans out to prevent them from getting access to the supply of the fruit of life and taking over as the gods themselves had usurped an older generation.

They got nuked to the point where there god emperor had to send out a message saying he was a total faggot and not god. They're still butthurt.

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>>383058832
>You only see the back of Jesus's head
Nah you get a full shot of him

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>>383051104
The real world has no room for Gods. Further progress must come at the cost of obsolete beliefs. All Gods must die. The prowess of technology and science will prevail.

>>383053656
This is the correct answer, there's a big cultural difference between the western world and the eastern world in regards to their view of what "god" is.

Even if you're not a believing Christian, if you grew up in a western country, you can't help but to have been influenced by the Christian views that shaped western culture. Whether you believe it or not, the concept of God as an omniscient, omnipotent being who is unreachable and exists outside the Universe is ingrained in your upbringing. The modern Judeo-Christian version of God is just naturally what most westerners think about when they hear the word "God".

But Japan and most of the east was shaped by different religions. The whole idea of a omnipotent being is foreign and almost unimaginable to them. If you look at the Shinto religion, it teaches that humans are descended from gods. God isn't some unreachable concept, gods are just our ancestors. It's an idea that fills not just JRPGs, but lots of different Japanese media. Especially in shonen anime and manga, the idea that the protagonist can just keep training and fighting and getting stronger and stronger until he becomes a god-like being himself. In Japanese culture god-hood is something humans can achieve with enough effort. The western view of God as "beyond" us is just not something they usually even think of. It's literally a foreign concept to them, just as the idea of being able to kill God is a foreign concept to westerners.

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>>383058202

I'm on God's side. I can't stand the Devil, think he's bang out of order. I think he's an evil, evil idiot.

>>383078929
Honestly monotheism has really boring lore. It reads like something a 12 year old would write with all the mary sue bullshit. Polytheist cultures had flawed interesting gods and as a result their lore is much better.

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>>383070261
All of them

>>383053656
This
Gods to Nipps are like fairies or spirits.
They have no concept of the abrahamic God in their culture.
IN addition Nipps fulfill different fantasies in games. The Nipp life is one of constant order and hierarchy in which for most of your life you are at the bottom sucking dick constantly.
So their games are there to fulfill their power fantasies of beating the biggest things and being the most respected, powerful and top of the hierarchy.

>>383066876
It's called Paradise Lost you fucking faggot.

>>383079148
The modern concept of the devil as an evil anti-god doesn't appear in the bible.

You have a serpent (elder god) that tells humans the truth when the gods lied, gives humans knowledge, and is punished for it (essentially Prometheus)
You have an angel who is the servant of the most high who tests humans to see if they are worthy and has dominion over the earth. In Yazidi culture his challenging the most high was actually a test and his dominion was a reward.

The concept we have now arrived with the Persians in Zoroastrianism along with monotheism, and the jewish sects who adopted that got called Pharisee, a version of Parsi. That's probably why they became the bad guys in the New Testament because the original Jesus/Joshua sect had grown out of Jewish polytheism even though their ethical monotheist teachings were ultimately adopted by Christianity after Jesus was placed into history.

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>>383079421
I like the way you think, boyo.

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>gods

>>383079849
>old testament
Fuck off kike. Christ literally says the devil is the father of lies and deceit. Don't you have a fucking bamitsfah to shit up schlomo?

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>>383072042
>On a darker note, Yahweh may have been the subject of human sacrifice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal
Hit the nail on the head. Baal is the earliest known origin of what would eventually become Judaism. In fact, monotheistic Judaism doesn't mean that Yahweh is the only god, just the only god is followers are to acknowledge and worship. In exchange for this, it was believed that Yahweh's chosen people would be protected by him. Which is what the Three Hebrew Kings built their kingdom from.

>>383079849
Are you stupid.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+5&version=KJV
This isn't even the only example. There are tons of passages calling the Devil(aka Serpent/Dragon/Lucifer) the enemy of God.

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>>383079992
Even that's not yet definitively the evil anti-god, though even if it was we are talking about post Persian rule when the New Testament was written.

You sort of have the modern devil in Revelation, whose addition to the canon was controversial, but he really doesn't arrive till the Quran.

>>383080437
You stupid fuck. It even says in that article that Ba'al was used to refer to the Babylonia good Maduk, not Yahweh.

>>383079235
I disagree. The concept behind omnipotence and the everything is fascinating. Something unavoidable, eternal and all mighty.

And there's also stories of the divine dealing with flaws and problems. The biggest example being Jesus, someone who went from a child, man, wiseman, messiah and finally God.

>>383081158
I mean it's not really awful but polytheism just has so much more going for it.

>>383080437
You don't even have to look to archaeology for this one.

Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

Right there is the first born infant sacrifice reported by the Romans of other closely related groups of people who were still carrying out the practice.

Cultures that didn't practice human sacrifice don't tend to have commandments directing people to do it, or need other stories saying you shouldn't do it.

>>383080703
Read more carefully, there's a whole section on Judaism and Yahweh specifically.

There's even a character who is a son of David with a theophoric name that includes Baal, though in some of the references a later editor has removed the no longer accepted word (it just means Lord) and replaced it with Bosheth which means 'abomination'.

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>>383074279
>Wave Existence comes home after a hard day at the office
>that lazy prick Krelian is still living in its home and eating all of its food

>>383054821
BACK FOUL BEAST

>>383080459
>Serpent/Dragon
Well that's true, but the serpent and the dragon are much earlier pre-biblical myths back before the modern concept of god as an all good, all powerful, all knowing being existed.
One was Prometheus, one was the chaos dragon from whose remains the world was made.

>Lucifer
Is actually only present in the Latin version, though something like the war in heaven narrative does seem to have existed as indicated by the Yazidi's similar narrative.

The modern 'Devil' is mashing all of these separate elements together to create a Christian Angra Mainyu

>>383051104
The culture is still ingrained with Shinto beliefs. So they view God as on the level of the Shinto gods.

>>383080703
I didn't say they were the same God. I said that early Hebrew peoples started as worshipers of Baal. Many ideas from many different religions and civilizations were mixing all the time. Babylon's account of their rivers flooding is thought to be the origins of the story of Noah's Ark. Human sacrifice to Baal has connections with the rejection of Isaac's sacrifice because the Hebrew people were starting to move towards monotheism and early concepts of Yahweh. The Hebrew people only started believing in monotheism after Akhenaten of Egypt failed to push his reform of Egypt's polytheistic system with the Cult of Aten. Ideas were spreading around and that's how early stages of religion began to take root. Jesus was trying to reform Judaism after the Hebrews were reeling for answers as to why they lost their kingdom. Christianity in the years after his death was one of many mystery cults that managed to become much more popular than all the others.

>>383081921
Well it would be more accurate to say that they were a polytheistic culture whose pantheon included both Hadad (commonly called Baal) a kingly rain god, and Yahweh a monster killing warrior god.

Different groups within the culture would have held different gods within the pantheon in prestige. In the far north at Ebla (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebla ) Hadad was held in higher regard. In the south Yahweh was more popular.

Originally Yahweh and El Elyon were separate characters, but they were later merged. Though this may have represented an original connection similar to how Dionysus is simply the young less responsible Zeus since most of these religions are set up to mirror the life of the king with infancy narratives, immaturity, and finally kingly authority.

You see the exact same cycle with Jesus who is originally either meant to be the next-generation of deities in the pantheon, or simply a incarnation of Yahweh.

>>383082649
>Originally Yahweh and El Elyon were separate characters, but they were later merged.
I actually didn't know that. Thanks for the interesting info, anon.

>>383082649
>El Elyon
Don't you mean Elohim?

>>383055497
>he represents the demiurge

But Jehovah of the Old Testament IS the Christian demiurge. Otherwise you're implying that God wasn't responsible for creating the universe.

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>game is about a god that wants to kill all humans
Was he right?

>>383053469
>angels are the evil

They are though, this is from the fucking Bible.

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What if god is the universe, we are all part of god, and we are the universe personified in order to experience itself.

What if by destroying god we destroy ourselves and everything?

>>383083529
>angels are evil
No, they just look scary as shit. Literally every time an angle brought a message from God to a human they started it with "Be not afraid."

>>383083321
El Elyon (basically God of Gods) was the elder king of the gods.

Elohim is best rendered as 'The Gods'

There are lots of characters or names attempted to be passed off as aliases of god in the bible which were originally separate characters.

Later during the monotheist reforms all of these different characters and concepts of what god is got smushed together which resulted in a bit of a mess since the grand cosmic god of the educated priests got lumped in with the childish immature gods of the popular myths.

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>>383051349

>>383057093
Good fucking job anon.

That's the sort of succinct and complete summary that I strive to give for these sorts of convoluted and poorly conveyed stories.

>>383053656
Every time someone brings up the "god is supposed to be unkillable" as if everyone or the japs don't already know this. First off, it's a video game, things don't have to be realistic. If I want my OC to do something even if it's completely impossible he can because it's a fucking video game.
Even if it weren't for this, the Bible is still a text and someone can form different interpretations of it. Afaik the omnipotence thing itself is sort of an interpretation and isn't explicit in the old testament. So if you don't want the character to just do something impossible, you can say god was only pretending to be powerful, the church was wrong, god runs on faith, go the gnostic route, only his avatar was defeated, it's a polytheistic god, etc.

>>383084906
It's also due to the concept of gods being very different in traditional Japanese culture than in western culture.
"kami" is the most similar thing to the western idea of gods that they had and those are very very not unkillable.
So it actually kind of is a "lost in translation" issue

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>>383051471

>god is a white man thing only

>>383078929
>In Japanese culture god-hood is something humans can achieve with enough effort.

Genesis implies that something like this is the case though, or at least that humans are capable of attaining divinity of a sort that God deliberately denies.

>>383085997
Yeah, its a common myth theme in cultures where ancestor worship gradually turned into gods which is basically every culture.

>>383085402
I can see that in the case of dragonball or touhou. But often it's a creator god, the church hunts witches, etc. They are going for a "lite yahweh". They are not that naive.

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>>383083524
No Zanza was a fucking autistic prick that only thinks free will's a mistake because it allowed his creations to realize how much of an unlikable autismo he is and reject him.

No one with an OC donut steel weapon that looks like this can ever be "right".

>>383079770

Touchy because you now it's true. But Paradise Lost has as much to do with Protestantism as Revelations was a prophecy. It was a lamentation of Cromwell failing.

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>>383051104
gods eliminate free will. our founding forefathers realized this and made a very common sense decision to separate church and state. can't pass any laws if santa claus and the tooth fairy get in the way of that.

>>383074279
Serves him right for being a total faggot.

>>383059103
>Levantines
>Arabs

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>>383051104
what other ones are there

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What's going on here

>>383092186
Xenoblade, technically.

>>383092186
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria

>>383054821
Fuck off retard

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>>383092186
How the hell did you miss SMT, son of man?

>>383085515
in the eyes of the japanese, it is.

>>383051349
Fibby bippy

>>383083524
well... fou-lu witnessed the best and the worst of the human race.
and, well, his sole purpose of existence is to bring the end of the world, so a new world grows from its ashes. he was resurrected way ahead of time because some dickheads want to steal his powers.

>>383092186
Bayonetta, but it's not an rpg.

>>383085997
>Genesis implies that something like this
Are you talking about the fruit of the trees of life and knowledge?

>>383051104
God in Japanese media is based on either Gnostic or Zoroastrian concepts though. It's an actual evil or imperfect God, and usually there's a good god or deity in the same work, like Xenogears had the wave existence.

>>383093171
When does Japanese ever talk about the 'white man'? They say 'the west'.

>Japanese God is a 1000 years old loli

>>383092186
Do you kill god in FFT?
I thought it was more grounded, it's been in my backlog for a while

>>383083529
Then you need to go read it again because they aren't. At least the ones that didn't decide to betray YHWH when Lucifer decided to be an idiot and squander the paradise he was granted.

>>383094754
it's that the religion in the game was controlled by a group of demons that are trying to revive their leader, nothing to do with killing God.
The 'killing god' thing in Japanese media is a meme trope and not even accurate.

>>383083529
Angels are basically drones that god created to intermediate and take care of stuff.
Some of them look super ugly and scary while others would make you cum by looking at them.
Anyways they were inherently created to follow god, but Lucifer takes a third of them when he rebels.

>>383051104
More importantly, whats with their obsession of blonde hair/blue eyes?
>goku goes super saiyan and gains those things
>various games have gods with those traits
>many games also feature protags with those traits
Why?

>>383053710
I really wish you hadn't made that comparison you little fuck.

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>>383051104
should there really things that cannot follow its own rules?

>>383084906
>Afaik the omnipotence thing itself is sort of an interpretation and isn't explicit in the old testament.
God is repeatedly stated to be able to do anything in the OT and is referred to as Almighty (and once or twice 'all powerful').

>>383094754
You kill evil Jesus though.

>>383092186
DQ7 ends with you fighting and beating god.
Not sure if you actually kill him though.

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>>383090256
>Levantines
>not Arabs

Pick one.

>>383076173
Japan literally killed Christians. What the fuck are you talking about? The Samurai hates you more than Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakure_Kirishitan

>>383094549
It isn't. Generally, it's based on Christianity. In many games, there's even an equivalent of the Catholic church with the same appearance.

>>383095197
It's exotic looking.

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This thread just makes me depressed because if my worldview is false then I have no reason to exist and should just commit suicide. There is no purpose in life outside of my religion/beliefs and if they're truly compromised then life is compromised. I just don't want to ever leave it.

>>383095694
I may be nitpicking but to me most OT passages sound like they could just be saying he's very powerful. Compare this to some of the influential theologists. The theologists clearly and unambiguously say he's all-powerful in every metaphysical sense.

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>>383095947
Nah, God's a stand-up bloke, he'll even move into Immigrant Town if you beat him fast enough.

>>383058497
I always thought it was referring to the dude he helps commit sudoku

>>383051104
Because they know how to market to teenage edgelords.

>>383098032
You were raised to think that way anon, by people that wanted to make you think that way.
>People literally forcing their ideas onto you without your knowledge
Its your choice to keep going with it, just know many others think their "way" is the "right way" when they are just believing what they were forced to believe to begin with.

>>383054821
No risks

>>383098993
But passing on knowledge and beliefs to your offspring is basic human behavior. The fact that my beliefs are a product of hundreds/thousands of years worth of info passed down in some millenium-long game of telephone doesn't affect me. I knew what I believed since I was little. I know there are other ideas and perspective out there that are different than mine, but they don't matter to me because what I've experienced proved itself to me. I have my doubts, but people like you who think they're above it all will never convince me.

>>383098032
That's so sad. You can choose a painless suicide if you want.

>>383098580
Couldn't beat him fast enough. Kept making everyone lose turns by mooning us

Fuck god

>>383096762
What am I looking at here? Eigenvector of what?

>>383098032
>if my worldview is false then I have no reason to exist
Why does that have to be case? You could, y'know, just live with a different worldview.

>>383099942
I know I'll never die by my own hand. I really don't want to do that. But the agony doubt can bring doesn't feel well in the slightest.

>>383100302
Because I don't want myself to ever have a different worldview. Because I have a firm belief that all other worldviews are false or only partly true. Believing in anything like that would be inconsistent to me.

>>383094961
This man speaks the truth
'kill god' is a normie-perpetuated meme on the level of 'notice me, senpai'
In the core Final Fantasy games you kill 1 god (13) and 1 demigod/pantheon god (12)
In the core SMT games you kill the same god twice (II and IVA) due to the fact he pieces himself back constantly
In the core DQ games you don't kill any gods and god is in fact your ally, but you can fight him in VII as a superboss
In the Tales games, at least up to PS3 ones, you don't kill any gods

What Nietzsche meant by "god is dead" is that the age of science would usher in the abandonment of our belief in the objectivity of morality/the meaning of existence itself, which would then be replaced by ideologies (see, communism) and tragedy (see, genocide in commie states). It led to the inevitable: hedonism, consumerism, materialism, etc. What fedorafags don't understand is that Nietzsche saw nihilism as a disease, one that would infect mankind following god's "death", a disease that must be fought and quelled through the establishment of a "higher man", a man that can live by will alone, essentially, with his own values.

>>383100513
That's a problem you are artificially making for yourself? Other people just "admit to making a mistake" or "change their mind". It's fucking christfags who have to do that instead

>>383053656
>In Japan, the Christian God is simply viewed as a deity in a large group of deities, somewhat like a super powered regional deity whose followers managed to subjugate most of the world.
They're not really wrong, since one of the oldest names is El Sabaoth.

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>>383100535
>normie-perpetuated
While you're not wrong, only normalfags use "normie."

Everone loves an underdog story

>>383101329
Spare me the bullshit, it's 8 in the morning and I'm already a bit too late for work. Fridays are literally and figuratively the worst.
I'm still a shit newfag, considering I started posting in 2006 while slightly underage

>>383069045
well there is also teh fact that Yahweh is essentially a parrallel on the Summerian creation myth one of his names is Elohim which is a variant on the Summerian creator god El and his struggle with Tiamat the personification of chaos and how it takes his son Marduk (Jesus/ Jesuah) to overcome the chaos and ascend to the head of the pantheon.

>the final boss is jesus

>>383101110
Only people who have had their lives revolve around a belief understand. Realizing that your beliefs are wrong isn't just some "oopsie!" moment. It's the breakdown of everything that makes that person an individual, everything they care about. Religion isn't some jacket you decide to put on one morning.

People like you who treat religion and beliefs in general like shit don't realize this nor have the capacity for compassion regarding it.

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>crucifying saints

Damn, why where the samurai so edgy?

What is Japan's obsession with unifying everyone into a single being/consciousness?

>>383101990
There's nothing edgy about killing Christians the way they want to be killed.

>>383051104
man

i remember when that was in EVERY fucking rpg back in the 90s

japan REALLY hated god back then
not so much nowadays

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>>383101990
They weren't saints until they crucified them.

>>383102281
Saint Seiya is complete and utter dogshit

>>383094641
And they are talking about the white man.
To Japan, anything not Europe+America, Korea, Brazil, or China just doesn't exist.

>>383102508
Spotted the Amerifat. Keep being an embarrassment to the world.

>>383051471
Funny wasn't final boss in onimusha dawn of dreams god as white guy.

>>383102117
cause their society has a more uniform approach, it stems back to feudal japan you did everything for the betterment of the nation and the emperor, it was a sort of socially mandated altruism.

they still follow the trope man is inherently evil though were the only species capable of greed and evil

>>383102281
Hard mode: Perform 3 miracles. Literally do an end run on physics 3 times with witnesses.
Easy Mode: Spread the word of God in the most obnoxious way possible until somebody makes a martyr out of you.
I went to Catholic school. Yes the girls wore jumpers.

>>383102596
Nothing happens but shitty fights, and everyone gains an additional sense after being beaten to a pulp. Also, all the powers are retarded as hell. Seiya is literally Bleach of the 80's.

>>383101903
>isn't just some "oopsie!" moment
And instead this belief tells you that you gotta literally kill yourself if you were to believe something else? Doesn't that suck for a belief?

>>383051745
love love love that god is represented as Indra's Net

>>383102846
>Nothing happens but shitty fights,

Sounds more like JoJo than Bleach.

>>383051104
It's all he's good for.

>>383102943
This. They also have a bunch of retarded poses.

>>383052589
Because your name implies that. If your parents named you that and they are not religious then they are fucking with you.

>>383102862
His belief didn't tell him to kill himself, he's going to kill himself because his beliefs might not be the truth he expected them to be, lrn 2 read

>>383074590
Nobunaga never became a Christian, he just liked them enough to socialize and trade with them. Plus, they had those sweet ass guns

>>383070261
The one from the old testament.

>>383102862
No, I didn't say that. That's just my own logic. Christianity doesn't tell me to end my own life when doubt pops up. It just tells me that no other way is truly 100% legit and therefore not worth it. So if that in and of itself isn't legit, then nothing is, and this is all just a big waste of time.

>>383102943
>>383103008
>trying to move the goalposts this hard
Seiya is also just some fagggot bronze saint who knocks out silvers one after another and then goes through 12 golds with his equally nobody friends. There's also that phoenix fag who just shows up to help them every time the story needs another asspull. Seiya is garbage outside of Pegasus Fantasy.

>>383054813
One reason why Christians got killed in ancient japan is because the religion is viewed as a foreign influence that will destroy local beliefs.
Imagine if someone tells you that eating shit is the right way to go and your non-shit eating ways is wrong then you know people will have a problem with you.

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>>383051104

Japan considers G*d the highest supreme being; therefore, killing him would be the ultimate achievement.

The West just pretends he doesn't exists, and uses science as a crutch for their delusion. As if G*d did not create all matter, and guide it's evolution through time. I mean, evolution and DNA suggests a blueprint, why would it not suggest a maker?

>>383092186
I believe every BoF except IV and V has you kill god at the end. BoFI and III has you kill Myria and BoFII has you kill Deathevan, a spawn of Myria.

BoFVI doesn't count as a videogame.

>>383051349

Isn't that the point, though?

If an omnipotent superbeing can be a giant prick and yet somehow also be doing complete benevolence....the implication is that no matter how much of a dumb cunt you are, you could also be doing the right thing.

It allows people to feel in check, but also very powerful.

I can't believe I have lived to see the time when my secret club turned into a post-modern shithole filled to the brim with pedantic atheists and dirty fundies.

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>>383103421
>censoring the word "god"

>>383101903
What you are describing is generally referred to as the Incorrigible Proposition. I'm not him, but while I can understand your anguish, I've worked to be able to, I cannot comprehend the position.
A standard backing in any sort of rationalism more-or-less dictates being wrong is the standard state of existence. You are almost never "Right", you are just slowly becoming less wrong over time. There is no such thing as an absolute truth, things are only as true as I have never seen them disproven. And believe me, part of being rational is trying to disprove everything.

From that standpoint, I can't really understand what a life grounded in absolutes is like. I can understand the pain of being alienated and estranged from something you took for granted, but that is likely only the cousin of the correct emotion.
The only real anything I can give you is that the world still matters. It mattered to you up until recently, didn't it? Has that really changed? Is the only reason you cared about anything because of some absolute truth?

But do what you gotta do.

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>>383103421
Is it wrong that this is what I actually believe in?

>>383056890

The angels aren't angels; they're basically aliens. All of the religious imagery and terminology in Evangelion was literally because it 'sounded/looked cool'. It held no significance to anything, even in the context of the actual story

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>>383103746
>Not censoring your censor by disguising it with a meme when you refer to *Record Scratch*

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>>383103393
Athena's Sanctuary is literally the greatest arc in all shonen anime.

>>383104073
maybe if you're delusional

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>>383104040
>Angels and Demons are just aliens
This has got to be my favorite way nips render religion. I legitimately adore it.

>>383103123
I read, ofc he's doing it by himself. The thing is I have seen this same thing many, many times and it's ALWAYS christfags acting like their belief is the only thing possible. There's clearly something about the belief that instills people to act like this.

Actually interested, not really involved with religion or religion in media but what is the source of the "killing god to ascend higher" originally from if known? I'm interested how recent this trend is.

what's that font called?

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>>383104480
I dunno, how about EVERY FUCKING MYTHOLOGY EVER, dude? There are two ways to go up in the ancient world - you kill a god, who's probably your dad, or you fuck a goddess, who's definitely your mom. Often you do both, sometimes simultaneously. Sometimes you also chop god's balls off to show you're the alpha of the pack.

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>>383051104
>What is up with Japan's obsession with killing God?

While god or its equivalent dose get murdered alot and it originating from the land of nips. I always took it more so it being more of a thing about personal responsibility for ones self. And sometimes that shit involves not just going with the flow and living unhappily and shittly, but also if going against what may be oppressing someone, be it internal or external, may be something that holds extraordinary power that could be consider almost all encompassing ,akin to a god, person or thing.
So while nip vidya does depict that shit a lot. It is more metaphorical than anything else about one being their own person an that be it work, school, or whatever if one is aggrieved about something to take action against it and better others and ones self by going against what can be said to hold almost god like power against them. Like for example lets say a super shitty boss or teach that feels up the kiddos shit like that.


So "kill" the "god" in ones life that is fucking ones life became a metaphorical thing that was then put into vidya since it could then translate to different things to different people of all ages and all walks of life without being to in your face about it.


So it really is not a religious statement of any sort for people to get offended or taken aback by, though superficially its easy to forgive people for thinking that, but just nips doing their classical literature bullshit that has been so simplified to the point that a dumb average nip teen could understand it.

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>>383103954

There's nothing wrong with that. Smarter men than Bill Nye the Meme Guy and Reddit's Magic Science Negro drew the correct conclusion a long time ago.

>>383104480
It's false is what it is. See: >>383100535

>>383104294
They also seem to be the only ones who go full-retard "The world has no meaning" when they get btfo.

>>383100535
The final battle of VI is basically killing a god, Kefka. You begin fighting a demon, then humanity, then Jesus and Maria, and finally god, as kefka has ascended into godhood.

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>>383104294
>>383104851
Because it's a dichotomy that is instilled in people who put their faith in a belief system like that. Either everything was created by a God that has a hand in humanity's progress or it doesn't and thus has no rhyme or reason to exist.

When you believe in that many absolutes, you're willing to sacrifice everything to continue believing in them. When that's gone, nothing is left.

>>383101329
Normie term was used as early as 2006. Normalfag was only used recently. Maybe create a better meme term next time.

>>383105637
I'm the guy he called out and are you actually retarded or are you a madman baiter? Normalfag was already widely used by 2006, I remember picking it from my more internet-savvy friend in 2005 and uttering it at my classmates. Normie IS a newer term, coined MAYBE around 2011 if not later. You should be ashamed of yourself, young man.

>>383106017
You sound like an extremely emasculated beta man.

>>383051471
But the human interface of God in Xenogears is a fucking woman
A scheming bitch, naturally.

>>383106162
Still 20 steps higher than you, pathetic omega

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What is up with Japan's obsession with fucking God?

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Why kill gods when you can make your own?

>>383070261
Name one (1) god that isn't at least kind of a dick.

>>383106709
me

>>383106709
lucifer

>>383103871
That's the catch though; I'm not "rational" nor do I want to be, in the whole 'disproving everything' sense. Human reason is limited and thus flawed. Therefore I cannot truly rely on it. And saying that there is no absolute truth is still an attempt at an absolute truth, but that's something that's probably overused and already refuted without my knowledge.

My viewpoint is basically a near flipside of yours. I don't think you can help me with any pieces that may have been broken.

I'm not convinced that the world still matters either. All of humanity's efforts will be forgotten one day. Enjoying temporal things is vain and a waste of time. If there is no solid foundation to stand on, then nothing can be relied on.

Of course the world still mattered to me until now. And of course it would change.
>Is the only reason you cared about anything because of some absolute truth?
For the most part? Yeah. It's why I exist after all. If that's not there, then nothing else should be.

>>383106709
Krishna

>>383071471
>transformers but instead of being robots they are cute girls
based japan

>>383071471
>Named Lancier
>Doesn't turn into a Lancia

>>383107167
So make your own foundation, you can't think for yourself? Even if you're flawed as long as you keep an open mind and listen to what other people have to say (even if it's bullshit) there's no reason you can't make good decisions and live an overall virtuous life

I really think god gave us all free will and consciences for a reason

>>383107847
Well, He did. I just don't think that would be worth putting effort into if He doesn't end up being real. Those miracles I've witnessed, and visions I've had. All somehow false. All just some strange imbalance of chemicals being thrown around in my brain... Somehow. I'm really just repeating myself at this point, but do I really have anything more to say? I'm sorry. I'm really just rambling on for my own sake, not yours.

And on a non-religion related note, no I'm not very confident in making my own decisions.

Japanese like medieval fantasy because it's exotic. basically they take the tenets of the culture and try to comprehend it natively which results in weird shit like this

>>383051104
Somehow I don't think you'd be complaining about the concept if christianity didn't whitewash the old testament to draw in more followers. God was a piece of shit.

>>383108397
Look up some lectures on the subject by Isaac Asimov. He did a lot of work on bridging that gap.
Has awesome facial hair, too.

>>383108920
I don't really want to hear anything from someone with such an opposed view of people like me right now. Would just make me want to kill myself more desu.

>>383096762
modern day levantines are arabs but prior to the spread of islam in the 7th century there were no arabs there