What went wrong?

It is only a little bit better than playing on a Laptop with a touchpad.
In other words it is complete shit.

apparently its not that bad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbabj0_ZCs&t

>>383023631
/thread. Just buy a 360/Xbone controller

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even this dumb piece of shit is better

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>>383023631
>>383024126
Except a laptop touchpad would be fine if it was on a controller where you could flick it.

The problem with the Steam controller is how inaccessible the controller is with the hand juts coming up.

I'm always debating if I should get one of these or not. I feel like it needs a new version for them to get it perfect and for it to have an independent settings from Steam.

>>383023489
Face buttons are pointless, and slightly too close to the right touchpad. They should have not bothered and just split the rear grips in two. Other than that and outside a few software bugs, the controller is damn near perfect

Its good.
The touchpads are 50x better than a laptop touchpad.

>>383023489

It works fine but the dpad is worse than the 360 dpad, which is saying something.

>>383026928
not if you use touch dpad with haptics and a good deadzone

>>383024426
you dont death grip the SC like a regular pad, you cradle it for thumb tip trackpad control

its not be all end all of controllers, it works for some like goddamn is it comfy to play civ 5 or FTL from the sofa

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>>383023489
I wish the right trackpad had indentations, like the left one but maybe a bit deeper.
Having your camera bound to the right trackpad is fucking hell to control decently. There's no clear indication of where the centre is so you're constantly jiggling the camera about whereas a thumbstick resets to the centre.

I'm trying to play Nier Automata right now with the steam controller and it's horrible because of this.

>>383023489
left track pad is useless as a dpad, its supposed to map virtual buttons with the HUD overlay but configuring that is tedious because so much of it is unnumbered sliders instead of WYSIWYG in current year

right track pad works well as a pseudo relative input, but poorly as an absolute input.

>>383024126
>it is complete shit.
>Just buy a 360 controller
that doesn't make sense

>>383023489
Nothing, it's very good and makes regular controllers completely obsolete except in a few genres/control schemes (focused around the lack of a real D-pad mostly). It also makes some mouse/kb games playable with a controller, though I've never used it that way, I only use it with controller games and otherwise just go for mouse/kb.

>>383024126
>bashes a fully configurable and actually comfortable controller
>suggests one of the worst controllers ever designed thats been known to disfigure people's hands and includes a weaksauce dpad
>mfw

No Dpad makes it utterly pointless.

>>383023489
bumpers could be better, other than that it's the best controller ever made

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I ordered two of them on launch along with the Steam Link, and it's the only controller I use now. I wouldn't say it's better or worse than an XBONE or 360 controller, but once you have a couple hundred hours on it (and another 20-30 learning what all the configuration doodads actually mean), it's at least as functional as any other controller.

However, with the low price point and the ease with which you can use it for games that never EVER should have been played with a controller make it totally worth it, especially if you have the patience to configure it exactly the way you like.

Once you play Warband with a Steam controller you will never go back!

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>>383027679
>left track pad is useless as a dpad, its supposed to map virtual buttons with the HUD overlay but configuring that is tedious
What? Just fucking click on the button and select the binding.

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>>383028019
>>383027940

Oh look, its this guy again.


I really hope you don't actually trick anyone into wasting their money on this controller.

Anyone know of a good and cheap wired controller for pc?
Ye olde 360 controller died on me yesterday.

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>>383028402
You're retarded anon, I'm so sorry

>>383028501
get a steam controller this vid
>>383024038

just convinced me to get one

>>383023489
>touchpads
you can stop right there.

>>383027618
That's because the controller isn't for that sort of game you retard

touch controls

never got used to those

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>>383028556
stahp

>>383023631
>>383024126
>I've never used the thing
The Steam Controller touchpads can detect my finger through an article of clothing like my shirt or a blanket. I tried it once because I saw skins covered the touchpad and I was curious how they still worked.

I swear I've never met and informed person who hates the Steam Controller. Le dunkey or whoever decided to make a meme review so uninformed points are parroted from now until the end of goddamn time.

Analog sticks
>Are so inaccurate that every console game needs so much aim assist you aren't even playing the game (And a certain amount of aim assist is kept on even if there is an option to turn it off)
>Have a turn speed cap that is usually not even fast enough on the fastest setting
>Have a terrible range of movement for things like turning
>Can't be clicked while in use
>Have a terrible flopping motion to use them instead of anything sensical

Analog sticks are literally the bottom of the barrel. Trackpads beat the fuck out of them, gyro beats the fuck out of them, Kid Icarus Uprising touchscreen thing beats the fuck out of them, fucking trackballs would beat the fuck out of them, goddamn CIRCLE PADS beat the fuck out of analog sticks (Sliding motion of the pads is more 1:1 whats happening on the screen for character or camera movement.)

>>383028763

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This is gonna be a thread full of people saying it's shit without even owning one. But it requires too much effort for the average person to want to use, and requires you to break habits you have with already existing controllers, which probably isn't worth the effort for most people. I personally love it and hate having to get back on my PS4 to use the DS4 but on pc it's my go-to. It has a learning curve, which sounds stupid as fuck for a controller, but it's true, you have to really want to use it otherwise it'll be a waste of money. Simplest way to put it is it's the middle ground between a mouse and a controller.

>>383028501
Get another 360 controller or an Xbone controller if you want it to be hassle-free bog-standard controller, get a Steam controller if you're willing to take advantage of the shitload of configuration options and want something better for faster and accurate aiming.

>>383027618
You need to use Mouse if the game supports it or Mouse Joystick for camera control. Joystick Camera is generally shit/useless. For Automata in particular you should use Mouse Joystick since it doesn't support simultaneous mouse and controller input.

>>383023489
Valve outsources marketing to the shilling community who does all of Valve's marketing free of charge.
However, with people not having easy access to the thing they're going to shill for you're not going to get enough people to actually shill for you without any actual marketing (like sending one to a Youtuber who can shill to a large market of people.

>>383029298
>$0.02 has been deposited into your account.

>>383029361
For Automata you'll need joystick camera for 2D sections because with joystick mouse its just a flick of the stick effectively so the pod will never shoot where you want it to go for long enough

>>383023489
Slapped on an analog stick instead of a proper d-pad. Also, the glossy finish.

>>383029606
Yes, what you should really do is make 2 action sets, one for 2D/shmup/hacking sections and one for 3rd person. That's the way I played at least.

>>383028501
Xbox 360 wired or Xbone controller.

>>383029640
See I thought this at first once I got a handle on trackpad movement too but there are a lot of games on PC where I'd much prefer having the analog stick for movement and the trackpad be a shitload of buttons, like dragon age origins. But on the other hand there are a bunch of games on PC where the joystick sits there like a vestigial tumor.

It needs an interchangeable dpad and stick. I can't think of any other solution that works because it needs both at different times.

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>>383029534
>stop saying positive things about stuff I don't like you s-shill

You guys really need to shut the fuck up and watch this >>383024038

>>383029753
I actually haven't fucked with the action sets yet. How does that work?

>>383023489
nothing
people can't understand how amazing the software and the touchpads are
now they can use the software on the xbone controller or the ps controller, and still nobody talks about it because they are literally too stupid

Nothing. Except for the bumpers and paddles, it's pretty solid.
Nothing compares if you want to play PC games on the couch. Touchpad+gyro combo is just amazing.

Only thing I would really in an SC 2.0 is an option with a god tier D-pad instead of the stick. Clickless analog stick emulation for movement is pretty intuitive, but takes a lot of getting used to for emulating a proper dpad

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>>383029895

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>Mfw DOOM 2016 on this bad boy
ID Software had an amazing setup ready to go, all I had to do was fix the camera rotation to my liking and begin. And this setup seriously plays so fucking well. I seriously prefer it to keyboard.

>>383027018
They're in the way.

>>383029974
Each action set is essentially a completely different and independent config for the entire controller. You then define some binding to switch between action sets and can change up on the fly while playing by pressing that button.

They tried to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Gamepads already work well. And no one wants to play KBM games with controller.

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>>383030190
You've made a dangerous enemy

>>383030187
If you remove the stick entirely you can't use the trackpad on the left for things like radial and quick menus any more, it's exclusively relegated to movement and sometimes it isn't the best thing for that though I do enjoy doing that.

It really needs the stick and DPAD depending on the situation. Interchangeable is the only way I can see it working unless valve invent some solution that can do both.

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>>383029895
Oh shit, I'm sorry.

>>383023489
I've heard it's pretty good with RTS games. That true?

>>383029895
>>383030720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25m3Gk7mRQM

>>383030737
I never tried it, but I doubt it can compete with a mouse. I guess you could say it's "really good" compared to a normal controller, but only in the sense that this one should actually be playable while regular controllers are essentially unusable for RTS. In any case I wouldn't play anything other than SP RTS with it.

>>383027018
>thumb tip trackpad control
>what are nails

>>383031138
Cut your fucking nails you degenerate

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>>383030378
>Gamepads already work well.
You're actually retarded.

>Analog sticks are turn speed caps which bascially make you choose between slow precision that isn't that precise or fast reactions that can't move fast enough
>Because of this console games need so much aim assist you aren't even playing them, even with an option to turn it off aim assist persist
>""competitive"" console FPS players play by not actually aiming their sticks but sweeping it left and right in the general direction of what the want to shoot because sticks are so fucking inaccurate
>2/3rds of the buttons on the controller cannot be pressed without sacrificing control of a stick.
>Every single controller from the big 3 this gen has a shit tier dpad that you wouldn't want to use for 2D movement so they're often vestigial wasted space for a lot of modern games
The "modern controller" is archaic as shit, I would argue to the point of needing to be totally replaced.

At the very least sticks+gyro as an industry standard for god sake. I'm living like a fucking caveman if I want to play a console game not from Nintendo right now.

>>383031239
M8, there's no reason for the handles being in the way. It pushes the control zeropoint forward

I bought mine for whenever I want to be downstairs in front of the tv, and imo it's great for third person shooters, takes some practuice to gets good at FPS games. Overall I love it, I still use my mouse and keyboard more but its still very good and the best alternative to a standard analog controller. Sony and Microsoft will never be brave enough to use touchpads like this, sad.

>>383030346
Thats fucking dope. I'm gonna do that for nier today. Thanks anon.

>>383023489
Nothing? It's a great alternative for a tons of games

>>383031685
>>383031685
This nigga gets it.

360 controllers are archaic as fuck

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>>383031685
>implying something wrong with this

>>383032135
Well I was just saying that I'd like options as far as console with serviceable controls. But if you're seriously going to say that's a good controller you're dumb.

70 Dollars, 10-20 more than the industry standard, 30 dollars more than your average WiiU Pro controller online. In exchange you get:
>Half the battery life of the WiiU Pro
>A Worse Dpad than the WiiU pro (A 70 dollar Nintendo controller with out a Nintendo dpad because Kimishima is literally the greediest man in the entire game industry)
>A 70 dollar controller with no analog triggers
>Gyro that the Steam Controller has but not customizable and with haptics like the Steam Controller, Steam Controller is also 35-55 (On sale it's literally two for the price of one Switch Pro)
>HD Rumble that the Steam Controller has for 55
>And an amiibo reader I didn't ask for and certainly hope isn't responsible for the pricetag

All they had to do was not fuck up the WiiU pro controller and they couldn't even manage to do that. Switch pro is an insulting bungled controller.

>>383032032
Yeah it's pretty sweet, though this shit is complicated to learn to configure at first. A good tip for action sets is to combo them with Activators I think. The way I had Automata set up was so that a long press on Start brings up the menu as it normally would but a short/normal press changed my action set. I did it that way because I didn't want to give up any other button for the set switching, Start was the perfect candidate since it isn't used in actual gameplay.

>>383023489
15€ shipping is what went wrong. Would have bought one on sale otherwise.

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>>383023489
What went wrong was that there aren't any games that natively support it.

Sure, you can use it on non-native games, but actually setting it up is an exercise in frustration, see the two hours I spent trying to get the right "thumbstick" to move the camera effectively in Saint's Row 3.

>>383024038
thanks for linking this just ordered one on amazon after watching it

>>383032135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOZ4EsGVBhM
Also the HD rumble and NFC sensor that inflate the price and that it doesn't have analog triggers and more importantly a headphone jack.

>playing skyrim with the steam controller makes it more cinematic and you appreciate the views more
>you can barely pick flowers

>>383032361
>but actually setting it up is an exercise in frustration, see the two hours I spent trying to get the right "thumbstick" to move the camera effectively in Saint's Row 3.
How stupid can you be? What? How is that possible?

Saints Row 3 should literally be as easy as using the default controller loadout and then the only things you should need to alter is the rotation for the camera trackpad and picked whatever you wanted to have on the backpaddles.

>>383032135
What besides being a 19 year old design?

>>383024038
>>383028593
>>383029953
>>383032420
kys

>>383032209
>15€ shipping is what went wrong. Would have bought one on sale otherwise.
Just check one of your gamestops.

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>>383032660
>Triggered Analog stick Autists

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>>383023489
>nobody makes steam controllers threads
>must mean it failed

Absolutely nothing wrong with it. Everyone that got one is enjoying it. I prefer using it to my F310 when it comes to games with native XInput support but I prefer my F310 for emulation, no question.

>>383033115
>hurr durr pc master race
>buys a controller for it LOL
>emulation trash

this is why i get so pissed off when people say pc is better than consoles. quit trying to play ur muh nostalgia classix and grow the fuck up

>>383027618
Did they finally take Hilulu away?

I never found a use for it. Any game I would prefer a controller in, the 360 or SNES controller does perfectly.

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>>383032660

I can play Dota reliably on it.

>>383032660
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz50hqWrHUY

>>383032660
poor fag detected.

>>383033251

>angry that PC has more options to play

That's dumb. Some games are better with mouse and keyboard. Some games work better with controllers. I'd rather have the system that lets me use whatever I'm most comfortable with.

>>383027618
1. You're almost definitely using the setting labeled "Joystick move" for camera controls.
Because joystick mouse and joystick camera both make the center where ever you place your thumb down.
2. When you do use that setting for movement (not camera controls) you have the indentations on the left trackpad to help you go left right up and down. Planting the thumb in the center of the cross (which you can feel well because of all the indents) is the default and it works quite well.
It does require a lot of messing around with the deadzone, anti-deadzone, and where you want the edge of the "stick" to be on the pad.
3. Use haptic feedback on the trackpads and with gyro like a religion. It gives you a better sense of what you're doing/how intensely you're doing it and does a lot of important stuff to help you orient your thumb when you're doing trackpad movement.

>>383033251
you're those people with black and white opinions huh? life must be suffering being you not able to enjoy video games in any way or form.

>>383032660

>>383023489

Nothing. It just has a really steep learning curve. Once you figure out how all the bells and whistles work it's a really good controller.

>>383023489
they decided to remove the trackball, this condemned it to mediocrity

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Opinions on how to finagle 2D platformers on this thing? Realistically I'm just gonna get my WiiU Pro controllers working on PC for Dpad and stick mandatory games as an alternate. But I'm curious what people have come up with.

I was thinking about making left and right be bound to the left and right trackpads as giant buttons

Left touchpad is fucking pointless and there should be a real d-pad instead.

>>383034920
Trackpad fucking shits all over the trackball thought. Trackball can only do camera movement and only one way, trackpad can do a shitload more with just camera movement, then there's quick and radial menus for buttons, and it can do movement.

>>383035003
Oh boy it's the most retarded opinion.
>I dont know what the trackpads do and I need something familiar REEEEEEEE

>>383035230
The left one does nothing, nigger. Enjoy your failure of a controller with no support until they address it and replace it with a d-pad.

It's a good controller but it requires the user not to be afraid of tinkering with the config UI (which does take a while to get used to).

No wonder /v/ hates it since it's been overrun by console users drip-fed with cowadoody and league of legends since they were but babies.

>>383023489
Steam half asses anything it does cross-project. They've become irrelevant in recent years as they stepped fully away from video game development and turned into microtransaction farmers.

It's actually pretty fucking pathetic.

>>383023631
>>383024126
Kill yourselves plebs

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>>383023489
They replaced the circular ring ridges with a useless cross indent

>>383035330
Here's a few examples of my dual trackpad setups
Dragon Age Origins
>Radial Menu of abilities on the left, camera movement on the right
FTL
>Radial menu of abilities on the left, camera movement on the right
Skyrim
>Quick access to map, inventory, level up, and magic, with an mode shifted menu that had auto run and some other shit on it on the left, camera movement on the right
Warcraft 3
>Mouse region of the abilities window on the left, full mouse control on the right
Dungeon Defenders
>Towers and abilities on a left quick menu, camera control on the right

Pretty much every RPG benefits from it you fucking retarded bingbong. Nearly every PC developed game has some good use for both trackpads if the person using it is smart enough to come up with one (or just download and adjust somebody elses config)

>>383023489
The bumpers, grip, and touchpad buttons are too loud and require too much force to press. They feel like alarm clock buttons.

Also the bumpers in general are uncomfortable.

There needs to be 4 grip buttons instead of 2.

Other than that it's pretty nice

>>383035527
The UI would be fine if it didn't glitch out all the time or decide that it didn't want to save all of your changes from the last 20 minutes

>>383036235
how the fucking fuck am i supposed to play first person fucking shooters with this useless paper weight piece of shit? if war owl cant do it htf am i supposed to

>>383027819

You are in a small minority of probably anything Xbox haters that thinks the 360 controller is shit

>>383036269

I also wish the buttons were pressure sensitive and it had a rechargeable battery. With all of that added though it would pretty much be a perfect controller. Of course it would probably cost 3 times a much.

>>383034940
A better alternative is ds4 since it also has mappable touchpads and gyro just like the steam controller

>>383032135
D-pad is utter trash.

>>383036060
Good luck knowing where straight ahead is with the circles or any other exact direction is.
The function of the rings is taken care of by the haptics for joystick move mode, it tells you where the "stick" is under your them and clicks once place with the haptics stopping when you have it tilted all the way.

The haptics can't tell you where straight, back, and left and right are. But they can tell you How far you've shifted the camera (which is adjustable so the set in stone nature of the original circles would have always been off from where you have it set up). The circles are also not useful for anything except for joystick move and that isn't what I'm always using them for.

>>383030618
Move the left touchpad to center like DS4, then put stick and a d-pad on the left

>>383036664
nah just sensitive.

I'm playing Puyo Puyo Tetris on it with no problems...

>>383036712
On the contrary, you can feel the direction based in the angle of the ridge under your thumb. It's also a lot easier to feel the center ring than via haptics.

They could also easily add directional notches in addition to the rings.

>>383036485
Wow look at that goalpost fly.
Also
>I listened to some literally who shit ecelebs opinion so clearly I'm knowledgeable
You're like a walking stereotype right now my dude.

I'm playing Doom 2016 on whatever the hardest first unlocked difficulty is, and I play the party /v/an with /v/ in TF2 and I perform acceptably in the top half of the team, also Deux Ex Human Revolution. I don't think you could compete with at a high level against M+KB players but it's a million steps up from a controller.

>>383036534
I've had the controller for months and I still haven't had to replace the batteries yet

Fuck rechargeable batteries, my DS4 does all the fucking time

I don't know why anybody hates AAs

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>>383024126
YES. YES. BUY OUR "INDUSTRY STANDARD" CONTROLLERS DEAR GOY- FRIEND!

>>383036797
Retarded, the trackpad is used for gameplay functions regularly in PC games and RPGs
See>>383036235

If it's down to ruining the Steam controller to include 2D platformers or me just using a different controller to play 2D platformers the choice is fairly obvious. Though a third touchscreen in the middle wouldn't be unwelcome.

>>383037037
Even if that were true it doesn't change the fact that the edge of the stick needs to be adjusted on a game by game basis and the circle ridges are in a static location. It inherently clashes with how the steam controller works with customization.

>>383037342
apparently they took out middle touch screen since it didnt make fuckin sense to make people look down at their controllers all the fuckin time

>>383037209
Or you could use a different controller for your autistic RPG shit

Meanwhile for 99% of other people they are perfectly happy to use touch or radial menus from the center instead of the left

>>383037510
I meant touchpad.

I wouldn't be opposed to the original idea of the touchpads all being screens because you could do some cool stuff with it but I don't feel like the controllers worse off without it.

>>383023489
That Dpad

>>383037563
>Using gameplay buttons in the center of the controller
Absolutely retarded. People who want to replace the trackpad with a dpad are the least intelligent people I have ever seen on this board.

>>383037209

I've had to once with intermittent usage since last august. The battery life on the controller is pretty amazing but I still would probably rather just be able to plug it into a dock or something and charge it nightly rather than having to replace the batteries even as infrequently as I do. More than anything I really want the pressure sensitive face buttons because where the controller really shines is emulation and it sucks when it's so close to perfect for some games but just not quite.

>>383037563
its literally better than every dpad ever made because dpads suck ass and are useless

>>383032182
>HURRRR I don't like anything new shsbsjdhbdjd
I like it more than the Wii u pro controller you must be at a high level of autism. I bet you haven't even fucking used the controller it feels fucking great. I prefer the switch pro controller over xbone everyday all day.

>>383023489
nothing, its fucking great i love mine. it isn't suitable for some games, which outright control better with a traditional controller, like nier automata. but playing doom for instance is 10 times better on steam controller

>>383038558
>Pointing out that it's an objective downgrade sans gyro is autism
Fuck you and people like you. Before the Switch talking about Nintendo products on /v/ was at least usually pleasant before Switch owners decided that literally every post on this board is a personal threat to their early adopted hardwares health and their personal honor.

Also
>I dont like anything new even though I'm saying the Steam Controller, which ditched a bunch of traditional control staples does everything it does better and for less money
Retarded

>>383036060
I hate the cross engraving
it is the only thing i would change

>>383023489
nothing

>>383038157
I wouldn't like a built-in battery, if you ever run out of juice it takes a while to replace that shit and you have to play wired. With regular AA batteries you can still use rechargeables and just swap out to a different pair and keep playing wirelessly while the other 2 charge. It takes a few seconds to swap out the batteries. I really don't see the advantage of it being built-in, not to mention that if it ever wears out you need to find and buy some specific, custom form-factor battery in the best case scenario or you might be entirely fucked if it's not replaceable.

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>>383024038

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I love the steam controller, and the backpaddles are a god send for racing games and emulated games.
Wish the ergonomics were a bit better the bumpers are huge and the analog stick is hopeless, just replace it with a proper d-pad.

>>383023489
>Forced to use Steam
>Bumpers are a bit too stiff
>Stick can't be used comfortably because the controller shape doesn't accommodate it and buttons are insufferable for anything but minor actions
>Only 2 grip buttons
>Configuration interface disables the central button, doesn't allow for multiple modeshifts, individual modeshifts for buttons or combination button presses (Not counting making multiple action sets) and is a pain in the ass to use in general because it's all sliders, stuff doesn't update immediately when you change it and randomly disables the mouse when configuring from inside of a game
>Stuff like mouse area or radial menus can't even be checked while changing it
>>383023631
Absolutely nothing like a laptop touchpad. I hate laptop touchpads and carry a mouse with me to avoid using them but this is tolerable.

>>383034940
Just put left and right on the left trackpad with clicking D-Pad settings and then put up somewhere like the grip buttons. If down is used for anything put it on the bumpers and if there are combination button presses put them anywhere you want. I don't see why you'd use the giant buttons approach since the trackpads are accurate enough to handle at the very least 2 different inputs and I've played a few 2D platformers that require mild precision with no problem on this setup.

>>383029105
Steam controller is a mad gay

>>383039665
My thing about the dpad is that sometimes the stick feels useless sure, but a lot of games make better use of the trackpad with it being lots of buttons and you can't do that if it's relegated to movement, and the stick (which is a really good stick, I have no idea what you're talking about) is better for movement in a LOT of situations.

Interchangeable is the only way to go I think

>>383038789

Really I think the problem most people have with it is the amount of time you have to put into it to really start getting something out of it. The first few games I played I found it did some things extremely well and others I couldn't do at all. Now that I know what a lot of the features do I can tinker with it and get just about any game I want running perfectly.

>>383039665
>the analog stick is hopeless, just replace it with a proper d-pad
That's retarded, the analog stick is essential for proper movement in games which expect one, that's actually a function which the analog stick in general performs very well.

>>383040203
Trackpad movement is really nice once you get a handle on it. It's just that both that and stick are nicer for different games (I haven't found it's on a genre by genre basis but a game by game basis).

Also the fact that trackpads can be better used as a shitload of buttons sometimes.

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>>383032660

>>383040129
it's for people who want to tinker like that. they need a more successful version to come out so that there will be more community profiles

Would be perfect if it just had a fucking right stick.

>>383039162
Point is faggot that I have a switch I'm not a fan boy I have been playing video games for seventeen years and don't give a shit what I pay them on, or what anyone else plays on and I love the switch controller. You fags in this board jump to fanboy autism way to much. Is everyone on this board a teenager?

>>383040625
>It would be perfect if it was a normal controller
Why are people so retarded? Sticks are objectively terrible for aiming.

>>383040625
It would lose either the buttons or the trackpad and that's not really worth it just for twinstick shooters.

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>>383039162

>>383040084

>>383040203
>That's retarded, the analog stick is essential for proper movement in games which expect one, that's actually a function which the analog stick in general performs very well.

I've been using the left trackpad as an analogue stick and it works great, being able to adjust the response curve makes it adaptable to the game' movement (my only complaint is not being able to make your own curves leading to, too sensitive or not sensitive enough) can't say I've been able to go back ever since I made the change.
Also being able to mode switch by pressing down on the trackpad makes it more versatile than a stick.

>>383040557

Really at best community profiles just give you a slightly better baseline to tinker with. I've never found one I completely liked. Most companies that have an official config are horseshit. The only community profile I've found that was completely on point oddly enough was an N64 configuration for retroarch. It's definitely a PC gamers controller. If you enjoy tinkering you'll eventually grow to love it. If you want everything to work exactly as it should out the box you're going to hate it.

I already bought 14 steam controllers. I also emailed gabe anonymously giving him a free business idea of releasing different colors of steam controller such as Lambda Orange, MannCo Gunmetal Grey, Aperture White etc etc. Would really spice up the controller sales.

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guys if I just want a gamepad for gta 5 and mgs 5 should I go with the xbox360 controller? it seems like the best one all around minus the shitty dpad

>>383040991
>But I use the Steam Controller this way
Yeah and if we changed it to cater to just you a LOT of other games would control objectively worse.

>>383041193
no get a steam controller

>>383041252
fine, but would you agree that the ergonomics need some tweaks and the bumpers need to be smaller and the buttons quieter.

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>>383024038

>>383041414
Bumpers could use some work though I maintain I don't want the backpaddles any less stiff considering their location. And while I love haptic feedback personally I recognize it should have a silent mode with just the clicks. Also the controller is in a weird spot where a DPAD would be better in some cases and a stick in others. I think valve needs to make a SC2 have those two interchangeable or somehow come up with a solution that can do both. But if it comes down to either dpad or sticks definitely give me sticks.

>>383040394
I don't see how it would help the controller's flexibility in any way whatsoever to give up its single analog stick by replacing it with 4 more buttons (i.e. a D-pad) when the D-pad function can already be fulfilled quite adequately by the left touchpad with properly set up deadzone and haptic cues.

>>383040991
I'm not arguing against the trackpads, I'm saying a physical D-pad would make the controller worse/less flexible for a lot of games if it replaced the stick. The stick does movement and it does movement quite well. Replacing it with 4 buttons forces you to use the left trackpad for movement, which in turn forces you to give up all the other shit you could be doing with it. A physical D-pad just isn't worth it.

>>383041930
Im not saying replace the stick dumbass. At most make a stick and dpad interchangeable.

>>383041414

The ergos are mostly fine, the bumpers don't really need to be smaller just more springy it's hard to tell a click from a not click and yes it would benefit greatly from being quieter.

>>383035137
Except for actual camera control, which is the only real reason to replace the standard controllers (FPS), now that they have back buttons.

>>383042149
Trackpad is objectively better than ball. There's a reason it got replaced as the controller was developed. Fuck out of here retard.

>>383042073
So you're not the guy I was talking to then? Right here:
>>383039665
>the analog stick is hopeless, just replace it with a proper d-pad

>>383042309
Nope I also replied to him calling him out on the need for both.

Trackpad is way too useful to be stuck doing just movement and camera

>>383042402
My bad, I misunderstood then.

real controllers use analog sticks sorry you're autistic

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>>383042309
I'm a different anon these are my posts

>>383041414
>>383040991
>>383039665

>>383042550
>>383042309
lmao

>>383042149
until enough dust, dirt, and sweat gets into the trackball to interfere with its accuracy, hence why they went with a trackpad that can simulate a trackball

>>383042531

But the steam controller has an analog stick.

>>383042531
Analog sticks are literally only decent for movement and even then I'd prefer a 3rd smaller trackpad or a grippy as fuck circle pad.

Fuck analog sticks nigga

>>383042241
>muh testgroups
Not an argument.

It takes a little getting used to and it wont beat mouse/keyboard for a lot of games but i love mine. Sitting back playing eu4 or battle brothers is comfy as hell. Fully mappable is such a simple concept too

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW THE FUCK I CAN PLAY WOW OR OVERWATCH WITH THIS

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>>383032660

Lining up headshots with the bow in Rise of the Tomb Raider using the gyro is what sold me on the SC and the SCC.

>>383043353
You have to add non-steam games to steam, after that you should be able to view and download custom profiles that other people have made for those games and use them or make your own. At least it worked for me when I added diablo 3.

controllers live and die by their dpad. it is the heart, the soul of the controller.
no dpad, no controller.

>>383043353
Overwatch should be fairly self explanatory as far as movement and aiming go. Do all the characters have the same keybinds for their moves? If not you might be fucked. But if they do all have the same keybinds just pick which buttons you want them on (the more on the backpaddles/things you dont take your hands off the stick/trackpads to reach the better)

WoW it depends on the class, some probably wont be able to make it happen. You'll probably want your most common buttons on something physical like the face buttons. A quick menu for the less common stuff on the left trackpad would probably be good. Bind right click to touching the camera trackpad so you can move it without clicking anything else and then make the mode shift a normal mouse.

>>383043970
All the big 3's modern controllers have shit tier Dpads though.

>>383037717
huh? i don't see a dpad...

>trackpads

>>383043970
Good thing that the trackpad is good enough for everything but inputting fighting game D-pad combos then.

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>>383044090
which is why i don't use em.
i use the chink controller gen game s3. it's 8$, and ironically enough it has a godlike dpad.

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>>383045286
>Somebody uses this fucking controller and has the gall to criticize other peoples choices
>Especially considering the fucking Xbox Classic Duke-esque monstrosity that is that dpad.

>>383023489
they designed the ergonomics around gabes bloated sausages

I used one once.

It was fine.

>>383045431
naysayer. youre just saying that because it looks terrible. well looks arent everything...

>>383045286
what

>>383046616
Thats not even a dpad, it's like a weird nipple

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ALL YOU FAGGOTS ITT NEED TO

GET

ON

MY

LEVEL

>>383046885
the idea is that it's better for fighting games where you do circular motions.

guys
please
i'm dying, i'll be dead soon
what gamepad has a good dpad
please
i just want to play my fucking platformers and ROMs

>>383047192
WiiU but you need to do stuff to make it work

>>383047292
>wireless
>expensive
anon you'll make me die faster

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here's your controller bro

>>383047412
>Literally the second least expensive behind Xbox 360
Ok then some USB snes controller

>>383047504
Oh shit is that the Cleric Beast?

>>383023489
it's fine if you already have another controller, it's really only good for those games that can't be played on a regular controller like civ, fps games are better on steam controller than a regular one but honestly you should just use a keyboard and mouse useless youre using a tv. Basically this controller is ideal for using a PC in the livingroom, unless you really want to use a mouse and keyboard on the couch.

>>383047192

Well this chink guy is trying to shill his piece of shit controller, maybe try that.

>>383047292
How bad is the input lag on PC?

>>383024368
I didn't even know they out sticks on these now. I have the one without the sticks.

>>383048583
it's overpriced shit don't buy it. the dpad doesn't provide you feedback when moving between directions, only when pressing a direction directly.

>>383048954
What the hell do you mean?

>>383024038
All this two part video series told me is that it's new, please buy it and give it a try, you won't hate it if you learn it even though there's no benefit, it's just a new, different product. Please try our new product! It's new and different!

Fucking hell. At least get paid if you're going to mumble into a microphone for an hour.

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>>383045286
you know why it has a godlike dpad? because it copied an old design that microsoft is honestly insane for abandoning

i mastered so many emulated neo geo fighting games on this guy, honestly one of the best d-pads of all time, close to the saturn pad.

Lack of tutorialisation of control configuration and how to use it.

As a controller it is GREAT

>>383031856
>>383031239
>>383031138
>>383027018
They're designed that way to put your thumbs in the right place for the pads, if you're using just the pads the grips are perfect.

>>383050832
>trying to flat-flick the pad
You're understating how awful the grips are.

>>383051821
What do you mean by flat-flick?

>>383051912
There's no palm support for the forward trackpad buttons.

You don't need to use the tips of the thumbs you dummies. You can use just below that just as well.

t. Played 35 hours of sleeping dogs with movement and camera on the pads

>>383052305
The handles sit in your palms..

>>383042898
Mice trackballs for desk use had no problems if they were cleaned.

Common, up-wards trackballs are fine.

>>383024038
this was actually a really great informative documentary

>>383042898
This >>383052823.

>clean ball
>best accuracy of pre-mouse aiming

>>383052457
not recommend. you will wear out your thumb joints doing this

>>383054023
No you wont it's basically how you hold a normal control stick

>>383023489
Lack of software support for simultaneous mouse and joystick input.
Also instead of the analog stick there should arguably has been a d-pad or 4 separate buttons.

>>383054023
>you will wear out your thumb joints doing this
By using your thumb like you would on a stick?

>>383024126
>360
Unarguably, objectively worst d-pad across four generation of consoles.

>>383054745
I dont know I love the gamecube but thats a terrible Dpad

>>383054809
Gamecube's at least picks up the directions you press on it with playable accuracy. 360's doesn't.

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I like it. I use it to great effect with Souls games, Jet Set, or any game better suited to a gamepad. The amount of customization is unparalleled. If you can't get used to it then you're just a fucking faggot that needs to get better at doing things.

>>383056353
Yes, the customization options are great, and the haptics are nice, but it's still not as good as either a regular controller, or M+KB.

>>383056948
>but it's still not as good as either a regular controller
t. retard

Give me one piece of evidence that a regular controller is better.
Regular controllers have
>Stick aiming with no gyro or gyro in select games, inaccurate as shit
>Turn speed caps because of stick aiming
>2/3rds of the buttons can't be pressed without removing your thumbs from the sticks (Making a game like doom where you need to move, jump, and aim play much worse)

Regular controls are shit tier compared to KB+M or the Steam Controller

>>383057414
a d-pad

>>383057930
Oh boy. A buttons thats a vestigial tumor on modern controllers except for one single genre of video games still made.

The big 3 have shit tier dpads on their modern controllers. If you care enough to not just use the stick (since 90% of modern 2D games have good stick support) you care enough to get a seperate controller with a decent dpad on it.

>>383057414
>stick aiming
If your game requires any kind of precise aiming, you shouldn't be playing it with a controller.

>doom
>with a controller
Stopped reading there.

>>383058206
>He hasn't tried Doom with the steam controller and is trying to talk with authority
Pretty much sums up nearly every critic in this thread.

>>383058124
>The big 3 have shit tier dpads on their modern controllers.
Only microsoft.

>A buttons thats a vestigial tumor on modern controllers except for one single genre of video games still made.
That's the stupidest shit I've read all day.

>>383058124
Have fun switching items in your souls games with the ultra precise trackpad.

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>>383058302
>authority

>>383058330
And Sony and Nintendo
Sony's is muchy garbage, the Joycons dont have a dpad (4 face buttons is literally worse than the 360 tier) and as for the pro controller see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOZ4EsGVBhM

>>383058420
I'm playing through souls 1 flawlessly right now, yet to press the wrong button on the trackpad dpad yet. And as an added bonus I can actually fucking aim the bow since I don't need to use a stick.

Dpads are vestigial and only function as 4 buttons in 90% of modern games.

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>>383058530
>"I literally have not done what you are talking about, allow me to discard your opinion"
>"I am right, everybody believe me"
Neck yourself

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>>383024368
That reminds me, does anyone know if this thing is any good? I've been considering geting one for emulation.

>>383039317
they had to put it there because brainlets wouldn't get it

>>383058710
I got the steam controller, if you're wondering. I just don't see any reason to play FPS games with it, especially since only like 20% games I tried support simultaneous mouse+joystick input. It's worse than M+KB for FPS games and worse than my DS4 for controller-oriented games. It's a nice novelty toy.

>>383059025
You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

>>383023489
Nothing, it is a great pad.

>>383059075
Can you enlighten me then? With some arguments this time because everything you said prior to that was subjective taste.

>>383024368
That's a bad controller with a bad d-pad.

>>383059291
It's never better than KB+M but it is literally a point of personal preference in a lot of slower PC games like RPGs or strategy that isn't real time, it's as functional as M+KB for slower KB+M, I even manage play in the TF2 party /v/an and perform half decently, if you get used to the controller casual play is totally possible for online games.
As for controller games, unless it's a fighting game or precision 2d platformer it plays infinitely better on the steam controller than a regular one.

>>383059902
Unless it's a fighting game or precision 2d platformer it plays absolutely the same, only more awkward on the steam controller than a regular one. See? I can do it too.

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>>383056948
Shuttup and embrace the future, faggot.

>>383060173
>Being this upset you've been outed as a retard
keep the tears up, analog anguish sustains me faggot

>>383023489
An analogue stick instead of the original D-Pad buttons.

Also 4-axis gyro instead of six (I guess that's more a fault of the Configurator, but the fact that it can EITHER tilt OR yaw instead of both due to gyro needing to be mapped as a two-axis output sucks).

Also its XInput emulation isn't perfect, which is why for a number of games (most of them Unity, for whatever reason) its messages don't get sent to the game in question.

Also, it's just lightweight and kind of fragile. I wish it was heavier and sturdier.

Overall, though, it's a masterpiece of design. Touchpads have changed how I view controllers forever and I cannot go back. I already have a second one in-box ready to go when my first one finally breaks.

>>383059902
If, IF you get a good template set up and tune the shit out of it, it's amazing as a replacement for KB/M.

One of these days I'll care enough to make some webms of me playing some fast shooter with it, it is absolutely possible to git gud if you have the right combination of trackpad settings and gyro aim settings.

>>383050210
I emulated Mario 64 on Corn with this thing. Using R to crouch was comfy.

>>383060929
I've been doing decently gud in Doom and TF2 with /v/. Human Revolution was a cakewalk on the SC.

>>383060213
To be fair, the future is the Steam Configurator being usable for ALL input devices. It was once an argument, but now you can use a DS4, X360, or XBone controller with Steam and have full access to the remapping software, so "customization" is hardly a selling point. It's all about the touchpads and the overall number of input options.

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>>383061129
I learned to use it as a controller on Transformers Devastation, and then finally tuned the mouse+gyro how I liked for D44M, and I use that template all the way.

It's probably time for me to go in and update it again, though, since now Mouse-Joystick mode has sensitivity curves/accel that let you fine-tune how it responds with gentle gestures... and (unfortunately) there are still a stupid-large number of games that make it impossible to use mouse and joystick simultaneously.

I assume because developers are dumb fucks.

>>383061160
The DS4 can do a little bit with the touchpad and gyro, that's about the most any non steam controller can get out of that interface. But the touchpad potential is limited since DS4 is doing controller only games and there's usually not much need for/a way to make more refined menus for controller designed games.

It's literally useless for the Xbox 360, Dualshock 3, Xbone standard, WiiU pro, Switch pro (no support for Switch's gyro on PC yet and likely never will be), and all the similarly standard logitech/nvidia/whatever controllers for PC because there are no extra buttons like the trackpads can provide, the extra trigger customization/button, or the backpaddles, or haptics, or any of the other things the Steam Controller can take advantage of.
Xbone Elite WOULD be able to take advantage of some of it but has its own software for customization.

The absolute most you can get out of the customization with any of those 6 controllers is mapping the face buttons more to your liking pretty much.

>>383024038
that felt like a giant ad

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>Downloaded GTA Vice City recently
>mfw I realize this game from nearly 20 years ago has simultaneous keyboard and mosue support
I swear devs got infinitely more retarded in the seventh and eighth generations. It reminds me of how working mirrors were common place in the sixth gen but cracked mirrors/no reflection mirrors were the norm in the seventh gen.

The last two gens have been a step down in literally everything but polygon count.

>>383062136
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