This is one of the best games ever released on PC and it has

thanks, wikipedia.

I fuck man ass?

Doom3 is better.

>>383013208
Sure. In the horror game genre.

>>383012081
It deserves the 85 though. It's a fun, beautiful game but it's not worth more than one playthrough and given its length its not worth more than 20-30 bucks.

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>>383013806

>>383013806
>>383014012
kek

>>383014012
>>383014512
inb4 the God Hand vs Baby game reviews

Never said reviews were consistent. Just that in a vacuum to me 85 sounds about right for Doom.

>>383012081
Nier:Automata which had a pretty broken port for some got a 84 on metacritic.

4 months later and still hasn't received a patch yet.

It's higher than Blood which is a far better game so stop complaining

>>383012081
Also 85 is about right,
Campaign was good that about it.
the multiplayer was complete shit.
Not to mention the wall you in with that level designer.

>>383014716
Name a FPS campaign that is worth 100 to you then

>>383013341
The PC-focused Quake-style FPS movement and gunplay of Doom3 is classes above the D44M RPG.

>>383015237
First Modern Warfare

>>383015552
but you only get to play like that the last hour of the game. the majority of doom 3 is amnesia the dark descent.

>>383015237
STALKER

>>383015567
In my opinion that is worth 85. I guess this is the problem with attaching numbers to opinions.

>>383015883
Doom3 is better and was more successful than Half-Life 2. That says something.

>>383016016
Come on now be real my guy!

>>383015237
First episode of Doom maybe. There's no 100 campaign, they all have some bits that are more lazy or annoying or tedious than others.

>>383012081
It's actually fucking trash feels way too tightly designed, limited and loaded with typical modern design garbage "mechanics"
>>383015552
>>383013208
yeah it's better but still has plenty of problems of it's own and people that say it's "slow" have no fucking clue

>>383012081
it's really NOT that good.... i didn't enjoy it very much

I just bought it. Is it supposed to take forever too start up?

>>383015567
no
>>383016016
yes but the VAs are terrible so idk

>>383015883
you can strafe jump through all of doom 3
multiplayer in d3 was top tier though and SP should have had always run like MP

>>383015237
Descent 2

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This is one of the best games ever released on PC and it has an 84 on Metacritic.

>>383013208
Contrarian/10

>>383015237
Half-Life

>>383016638
>way too tightly designed
like what the fuck does that even mean

>>383012081
My real issue with Doom after launch was the god awful constant patching that was 10gb each patch. It also picked the most inopportune times to download a patch as well.


I believe when I uninstalled it, the install folder was almost fucking 80GBs.

>>383017856
Think he means that it feels too limited and controlled, like there's no room for creative play.

>>383015552
the fuck are you talking about doom4 has much more quake like movement

>>383012275
fpbp

>>383018132
Yea when I realised Doom had no crafting mechanics........ instadrop!! Pwned that games right out of my library

>>383015883
you w0t m8?

>>383017856
maybe a bad way to describe it but It's like too tailored to be a certain way or give the player a certain experience I guess rather than the original or games like duke 3d etc where everything just kind of works autonomously no matter the situation or level etc
>>383018320
you don't understand quake at all the new doom is closer to halo

>>383018597
>the new doom is closer to halo
no it isn't, have you ever even played halo or even quake for that matter? Shit you probably never even played doom4

>>383018949
not as floaty as halo and ground speed is faster but that's it, it's nothing like quake to much ground friction lack of air control (with the rune it's all wrong), speed caps off too low
there is no skill to the movement or dodging you just kind of run around in circles focusing on one enemy after the other as everything whizzes past you very conveniently, there is no multitasking, there is no strategy, there is no positioning to consider.
there is only trash

>>383018374
What are you talking about you tit, plus D44M might as well have crafting since it already has upgrades, challenges and other useless shit

>>383016125
doom3 is tigggght
half life 1 might be a 100 campaign

>>383012081
It's not hard to be "one of the best games ever released" considering the sheer amount of garbage on PC.
Not to mention that it's not much more than just "good". The stupid skill trees for weapons, the glory kill mechanic, the samey-looking levels and the "locked in a room till the enemies die" design are definitely worthy of about an 85. No more.

>>383020054
Doom 3 is half mediocre FPS and half mediocre horror games, and those halves feel at odds with each other. It has some cool sci-fi environments, though.

>>383014012
>BASED ON 56 CRITICS
I will find one obscure game and give it 100 rate. Done, its best game in the world.

>>383019826
nah.

>>383012081
>DOOM
>best or even close to it
lmao

>>383020385
name a better fps during that time peroid, go ahead ill wait.. also i wouldnt call it horror its only spooky the first hour of play or so, after you get the stronger weapons its more run and gun.

>>383020564
Far Cry, Half-Life 2, FEAR.

I like it more because its proper optimized

OP is literally 12, and has not played too many games if absolute 6/10 at best trash like nuDuum counts as "best" anything.

>>383020661
fear is underrated af, could possibly be better than d3, half-life 2 is on the other hand, overrated as fuck. Never played the first far cry but if its all open world memey shit with no depth like the other 3 theres no way it can come close to d3 or HL1

Doom3 really wasn't a Doom game though. It was a great horror game though like a good solid 8 but DOOM was the better Doom game.

DOOM does have problems though, like bad bugs and ass load of DLC

>>383020564
>during that time period
I can't but why does that matter just because fps is having some shitty years doesn't make Doom 3 great

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>>383015237
I don't really know what FPS campaign that is 100 to me. Maybe one of the first three halos but even then there's a co-op tied to it that made it very enjoyable.

>>383020825
Half-Life 2 is overrated as fuck, but it's still better than Doom 3 (but worse than HL1 and Episodes). Far Cry 1 isn't open world, it's a bunch of very large maps strung together, and you do them in linear fashion.

>>383012081
Look at the state of the Steam Summer Goy Tax, it was nothing but pictures of carts filled with SJW pixel art crap.

I doubt most of the master race on this board can even run DOOM on mid graphics settings.

>>383020959
doom3 is a solid game regardless
>>383021020
still disagree about half life two but your opinion isn't Mongolian tier, so fair enough

>>383020825
far cry is more like crysis 0.5 than it is far cry 3

far cry 2 is kino. fuck you. play it all the way through.

>>383021182
>doom3 is a solid game
meh

While sure not the best - D44M was still one of the rare AAA+++ games that I actually enjoyed. If you're calling it a bad game you either do not like action games or are just being overly cynical for reasons unknown.

>>383020941
It has zero bugs and the dlc is for the outsourced multiplayer Jewthesda forced in to the game

>>383021212
far cry 2 sucked

>>383013208
Doom 3 was poop

>>383021182
Also, Painkiller is roughly from that time period... though while Painkiller is a fun game, it's kind of too easy as you can jump around VVERY HHIGH SPEED while the enemies chase you around ineffectively.

>>383021337
>It has zero bugs
Wrong

>>383021341
you sucked
play it again

>>383020941
>shit on a plate wasn't as good as my delicious pasta, so this piss-smeared pasta is a good game

>>383021451
Johnny Guitar...

>>383015567
>Endless waves of scripted respawn
>Corridors everywhere
>Everything is scripted to death
>Zero space for imaginative gameplay

movie/10

>>383021451
no, it's a terrible game

>>383021483
doom 1 is overrated, ugly and has bad controls
it didn't age well at all

>>383021483
Care to make an analogy that isn't shit?

>>383012081
Id say its a 8.5 to a 9. I felt it didn't hit the quality of Ultimate Doom or most of Doom 2/Final Doom. But its still a great fucking game. I really hope in the sequel they find a way to keep more then 7 enemies max active at a time. Its a real buzzkill to have such a limited amount of challenge that the only reason nightmare is hard is because shit like Imps throw fireballs that feel almost homing and do 60-70 damage each to compensate for the lack of numbers.

Still great game.

>>383021273
Or, you know, I just hate literal fucking shills, and I've not let my standards drop to absolute rock-bottom levels in the past decade by consuming AAA console trash made for the widest audience.

NuDuum ain't a DooM game, not an oldschool anything, and ultimately just a fucking repetitive slog. Tons of missed opportunity and just pure major fuck-ups, because Bethesda needs to spoonfeed their GenZ kids.

>>383015567
fuck that that campaign killed my interest in CoD

>>383021661
>doom 1 is overrated, ugly and has bad controls
Nope on all three.
And this is coming from someone who played it for the first time in around 2009.

i bought it but runs like shit on my pc for some reason.

i5 4690k
16gb RAM
GTX 1080 TI

My monitor is 165hz with Gsync. Can't figure out why it runs like a slideshow

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This is one of the best games ever released on consoles and it has an 98 on Metacritic.

>>383021704
what a terrible opinion.

>>383021661
It's 20 years old, of course it's ugly ya melon. The controls are fine for the most part, and flawless in source ports

>>383014012
>Shitty meme game for SJW shitters
>Higher score then good games.

How are you surprised? So many "journalists" and review sites are composed of people who have played like 10 games and like movies more then games.

>>383021704
>literal fucking shills
the game is like a year old at this point and was on sale multiple times

>>383013138
All day, just because I like it so much.

>>383015237
Ultimate Doom. I can think of maybe 2 mediocre levels and everything else is fine or great.

>>383021704
>just being overly cynical

>>383022001
too old

>>383021704
So you dont just like fps action games. Original Doom games are terrible fps games. And now if you're gonna throw some memes I liked Quake 1, 2, 3, have played quake live, reflex arena and have thousands of hours in TF2. But still I couldnt enjoy Doom I and II. They just feel like boring 2d sprite shooters with minimal aiming and nonexistant movement tech.

>>383021948
>it le had a homophobic comment xD
>boints offf x---D

>>383021854
At the time of release it was

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>>383021868
What is terrible is that people like you exist and seem to make a huge chunk of "gamers" nowadays.

>>383021871
>It's 20 years old, of course it's ugly ya melon
This is the exact shit Gen-Z kids with no understanding about art-directing and style spew online.

>>383022067
I ain't even cynical. I just absolutely hate everything they've done to THE most iconic shooter's name and brand.

>>383021704
>Shill
Doom 1/2 are pretty much my favorite vanilla FPSs of all time. D44M doesn't reach their bar but that doesn't mean its not good on its own right. Its a solid game its not perfect its not godlike but its somewhat memorable and a solid experience after years of nothing of its kind besides maybe Shadow Warrior which was mediocre.

I'm sorry you cannot look at a game objectively on its own. I don't look at D44M and judge it on being as good as 1/2/Final i look at it and look for what makes a fun shooter and what it did right.

It had enemy variety , weapon variety , neat secrets although not as good as 1/2 secrets and was one of the few shooters where the few bosses battles felt decent.

Now it fell flat on its face in terms of color , enemies on screen and too many secrets being predictable and not really helpful to the core gameplay.

Id give it a 8-8.5 a very strong one. But its not a pinnacle game its just another decent game in the genre.

>>383022260
It was a great game and your shitty opinion and autistic screeching isn't going to convince people otherwise

>>383022260
>This is the exact shit Gen-Z kids with no understanding about art-directing and style spew online.
Art direction and style don't mean much when your game's a pixellated blocky mess desu, and this is coming from someone who likes the way Doom looks.

>>383022260
early id always had a shitty style. they were known as the "brown castle" company for a reason

>>383012081
It's not even a top 20 FPS

>>383015237
System Shock 2
Thief: The Dark Age
Unreal Gold
AVP
Bioshock
Nothing recently though

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>>383021749
That's because you have a shit taste, m8
>>383021565
The fact that it's cinematic, doesn't make it bad, but the fact that it's fun, makes it pretty good.
>>383017131
Yes

I just finished this yesterday and wanted to do NG+ on highest difficulty but was a bit disappointed that you couldn't and doing a 100% playthrough on ultra nightmare is gonna suck.

>>383022173
>So you dont just like fps action games
I have no fucking idea where you got that impression.

I fucking LOVE FPS games. It's prolly the genre I play the most. Original Dooms, Duke3D, BLOOD, HL series, FEAR, STALKER, Serious Sam... all amazing games in their own way. No, I don't really do online shooters much at all, I'm more into co-op nowadays.

NuDuum, TNO, nu-SW... all fucking garbage for the "cinematic" fad suckers.

>They just feel like boring 2d sprite shooters with minimal aiming and nonexistant movement tech.
In other words, you don't like memorization and borderline survival-horror -like gameplay. Got it.

>>383022397
>I'm sorry you cannot look at a game objectively on its own.
I can, and that way it becomes absolutely unbearable trash, a literal AAA copy of Hard Reset.

Whose big idea was to apply RPG upgrade trees and menu surfing to a fucking DOOM game?? Or make ALL the combat happen in tiny lock-down arena rooms, in otherwise pipe-linear maps?

>>383015237
halo 1
>perfect game (not opinion, technical term, google it)
>plot deeper than most novels
>every level adds to both story and gameplay
>ends without overextending itself

truly this was the work of the arete.

>>383021698
There can only be 7 active enemies at one time? Do you have a source for that?

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>>383022802
>early id always had a shitty style
>they were known as the "brown castle" company for a reason
You kiddos should stop watching Youtube e-celebs and actually play the games for once.

>>383023374
lots of games have something like that to control how much damage you can take at one time without you actually noticing. it's called slotting

>>383012081
its a generous score for this game kys

>>383023316
>and that way it becomes absolutely unbearable trash
>NuDuum, TNO, nu-SW... all fucking garbage for the "cinematic" fad suckers.
Not him, but that kind of autistic hyperbole is what gets your post discarded easily.
I dont even know why you bother typing so much when its all shit anyway

>>383022397
>besides maybe Shadow Warrior which was mediocre
Shit taste detected.

>>383013341
>Doom 3
>Horror
It's an action game with dark rooms. Fuck off.

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>>383023050
>but the fact that it's fun, makes it pretty good.

>>383023582
>he played the Xbox version with cut content

console kiddies out

>>383023435
Your nostalgia glasses are so thick I'm surprised you can even see your monitor. There is nothing impressive about the art design of Doom

>>383022173
Doom's about positioning not aiming. And there is movement tech in the game it's just not as broken as the stuff you'd find in later FPS games. It's all about level design, which is pretty top notch. The difficulty's kinda low these days but enabling fast monsters makes it more tense, and you've always got wads if you want more challenge.

>>383023518
>autistic hyperbole
I'm goddamn horrified that people like you have learned to enjoy eating shit.

Apparently patronizing, cinematic, single-use trash is indeed all the rage today, with one or two minor deviations in general molds counting now as so huge "carrots" for nu-gamers, that all else is forgiven.

>>383023824
>m-muh nostalgia boogeyman!
My Xbot & Bethesda fanboi bingo is filling up at alarming rate today.

There's a lot of things devs today SHOULD learn from Doom. One of them is the use of color. Next would be the level of polish when it comes to balancing and testing maps.

>>383022960
>only post in the thread to mention unreal
>also mentions SS2 and Thief
Damn nigga you've got the only good taste in this thre-
>Bioshock
Oh you almost fooled me.

>>383023435
yeah I dunno what that shitter is on about. Most of id's games were colorful as fuck, considering they had a limited palette to work with.

>>383024105
bioshock 1 is alright

>>383024153
this. It wasn't before Quake1 that we got our first true "brown&grey" shooter, and that was purely an aesthetic choice, plus a new thing.

>>383024030
Look at the bottom right shot of the image you posted and defend it.

>>383024105
I have great taste.
Sure, Bioshock 1 was a massive step back in design but it was still a great game. Just had to dumb it down for the masses. Still pretty out there as far as concept and execution goes though. Once you turned off all the quest indicators and bullshit it was great fun.

>>383024030
Not just use of colours either, the distinct monster shapes and "personalities" too. FPS enemies have been really bland since the late 90's.

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>>383012081
>Using metacritic

>>383023435
that screenshot reduced to one colour is a dark, shitty poop brown

>>383024153
>colourful as fuck
delusional fanboy

>>383022260
The chestpiece is a weakpoint?
I just shot the guy until it died.
Not like i could stand in front of it, you die in what, 4-5 shots tops? had to circle the guy

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>>383024691

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>>383024691
pic

>>383024849
It's not a weakpoint, it's just the thing you pull out when you beat him.

>>383024865
>>383024886
With and without HUD, I'm guessing?

>>383024541
Finally someone else gets it.
The term "possibility space" seems totally foreign concept to players and devs alike nowadays. In Doom's case, it expanded to weapons as well.

>>383024371
What's wrong with it now?
It's a literal hell-infested landscape. Which original Dooms did way better than the "yellow rocks with blood on 'em" D4.

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>>383025061
with and without gamma correction

>>383025089
If the vibe you get from that picture of a red room is "hell-infested landscape" then you're a fucking idiot

>>383024691
mix a bunch of colours up and what colour comes out? Brown. No shit, you dense cunt.
Doom had a 256 colour palette. They made use of pretty much all of it judiciously. Aside from shading an imp in cyan I really don't know what the fuck you're expecting. Most of dooms settings are industrial or hell. I'm surprised they made it as colourful as they did. Look at the fucking cacodemon for christs sake. Its bright blue and red with a big fucking green eye. Why are you being deliberately retarded?

IT'S NOT EVEN THE BEST DOOM GAME YOU NU-KEKOLD

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>>383024865
>>383024886
>>383025193

K

>>383025294
this isn't paints. it's neither subtractive (brown) or additive(grey). it's averaging.

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>>383025485
The averaging of that image is brown, yeah. Meaningless statistic. The averaging of this image is a dark muddy green. You going to say this isnt colourful too? Maybe you're just fucking colour blind.

>>383023316
None of the fps games you listed have any focus on aiming and movement expect HL2 and even then half of it is a cinematic experience game. And yea I know you move in Serious Sam but all you fucking do is hold down a/d(+w/s) while holding m1 and pointing at the general direction of the enemies.

>>383026005
>Blood
>no movement
wew lad

>>383025893
looks like a dark muddy green to me yeah

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>>383023435
Meanwhile in Doom 2016...

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>>383026548

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>>383026548
>>383026794

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gais look how colourful this is you just can't appreciate art xDD

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>>383023435
>>383026548
>>383026794
>>383026893

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>>383023435
>>383026548
>>383026794
>>383026893
>>383027294

>>383026418
then either your eyes, your brain or both are damaged. unlucky for you.