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which one is objectively the best and which is objectively the worst

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which one is objectively the best and which is objectively the worst
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Play Switch U Box
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good
>PS4
>Switch
>Wii U

bad
>Xbone
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>>383007084
>This faggot actually bought a Play Switch U Box
GG. X Wii Station's sales are way up. Enjoy your dead console.
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>>383006889
Exclusive wise

wii u >>>>>>>> ps4 > xbone

Overall assuming you can have nothing else

xbone > ps4 >>>>>>>>> wii u
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>>383007203
Fuckoff.

SmashBorne 5: Guardians is fucking great
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>>383007225
I'm a Wii u owner, but am planning the PS4 eventually. How on Earth is the Xbox better than PS4 besides the controller?
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>>383007153
Would put Wii U in "medium" personally
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>>383007225
Xbone>PS4? top kek
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Objectively according to what?
Sales?
hardware?
Influence?
What the fuck are you asking?
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PS4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PS3>>>>>>>>Shit>>>>>>WiiU>>>>>>>>>SWITCH>>>>>>>>XBONE
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>>383006889
The only truly objectively shit console is Xbone
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>>383007529

Only thing PS4 has over Xbox one is exclusives, Ps4 can't even do backwards compatibility.
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>>383007835
And being better overall.
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>>383006889
As of right now, as an overall all-in-one games machine:
PS4 > Xbone > WiiU > Switch

With the next year of releases in mind:
PS4 > Xbone > Switch > WiiU

With ONLY exclusives + near future in mind:
PS4 > Switch > WiiU > Xbone
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>>383007382
cheaper, better """free games""""" with online tip, backwards compatibility, better online service

It even has the more popular exclusives with the playerbase if you look at the best sellers on both.
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PS4 > Wii U > Xbox One > Switch
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>>383007225
>exclusive wise nintendo wins
/v/ in a nutshell.
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>>383007382

EA access, game pass, backwards compatibility play anywhere etc
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>>383007736
Shouldn't you be getting to school soon?
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>>383006889
I believe you mean subjectively
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>>383007203
>Not owning a Play Wii 4 U
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>>383007382
>How on Earth is the Xbox better than PS4
It's not.
But keep in mind that as Xbox's popularity plummets, the few remaining Xbox fanboys become even more hardcore, delusional and defensive, so you get crazy posts like the one you quoted and the ones that replied to you just before me.
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I'm close to buy a Wii u, what i'm for?
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>>383006889
In this to see Switchfags shit on WiiU. Ergo, the same motherfuckers who made pic related 5 years ago. Fuck you faggots
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>>383008459
In reality everyone believes this. Just look at the best sellers on each, xbone/ps4 are practically all multiplats.
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>>383008774
Exclusives, and if you are intelligent enough free pirated games.
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>>383008968
Multiplats > Nintendo Exclusives
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>>383008893
I actually use the wii u to wank off on my tv, works surprisingly well with pornhub.
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OUYA> rest
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>>383008712

>Delusional and defensive

t.Sony fangays feeling threatened by anyone saying good things about another console
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>>383009184

Yeah it's pretty fucking obvious multiplats are better because of how many there are.

However nintendo games are usually very popular, whereas exclusives on the ps4/xbone aren't.

>inb4 b-b-but nintenbros have nothing else to play
PC gets the best version of multiplats but (non f2p difficult to run) pc exclusives are still in the most played on pc.
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>>383006889
looks like french Italian flag.
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>>383006889
Best:PS4
Worst:Xbox
it's obvious
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>>383006889
ultimate combination is

xbox one x (multipats, og xbox, 360, dreamcast, psx, psp, n64 emu's, upcoming pc games like PoE, battlegrounds etc)
switch (exclusives)

nothing else is needed
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>>383008968
>>383009184
shouldn't a good console have both good exclusives and good multiplats?
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>>383008298
PC>shit>everything else
that is if we're trying to be objective.
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>>383009389
I never said or even implied Xbone doesn't have any "good things". It does.
It's just that they are completely outmatched and overwhelmed by PS4's own "good things" to such an extent that saying "Xbone>PS4" can be nothing more than a joke or a falseflag post
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>>383009481
Only needs one tbqh since most games are multiplat. However if it has no exclusives if must be significantly cheaper than PC (after online and need for a normal pc is factored in), which none of the consoles even come close to doing since the xbox 360/ps3 half way through their lives.
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>>383008893
That image is still objectively right. The WiiU is a better console than ps4 and xbone still
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>>383009651
PC doesn't belong to a generation and isn't part of OP's question.
But thanks for interjecting with something no one asked for or cares about. You bumped the thread at least, I guess.
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>>383006889
Best is PC, get fucked.
Worst is everything else, get fucked.
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>>383007153
>>383007421
Would put Wii U in fucking terrible personally.
Kinect level controller.
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>>383009395
>PC gets the best version of multiplats
This isn't always true.

Fighting games are terrible on PC due to the lack of community. Just the other we had an anon complaining about how dead the new Blazblue was on PC, and everyone told him that that's how it goes with anime fighters, and to stick to discords, where you get the worst of weebs.

Meanwhile, I just bought the game yesterday on PS4, and can find randos to play against very easily.

The same goes for Guilty Gear. Communities for fighters die very quickly on PC. Making PS4 the ideal platform for those multiplats, as that's what most of the FGC plays on.

Yeah, I can see this argument being true for single player games, but even then, it doesn't always turn out that way. People all had trouble with the PC ports of NieR Automata, Arkham Knight, and Dishonored, just to name a few.

To make a blanket statement that all multiplats are better on PC is blatantly false. It depends what you're looking for overall, really. But to say "X game doesn't count on PS4 cause it's multiplat." Is fucking dumb, when in some cases, tge best experience is on PS4.

And then also you add console exclusives like Destiny or FFXV. Games which simply don't make it to PC.
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>>383009739
Tell that to Switchfags.
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>>383010329
The only games that are doa in pc are fighting games, there just isn't a community for them in pc gaming, and shitty ports normally get fixed in weeks/months. I personally never cared about final fantasy, never understood the appeal
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>>383010329
You also forgot to mention PC's constant delays

Nier Automata came 1 month on PS4 before PC, and I saw first hand plenty of PC players getting spoiled on threads (their stupid fault I guess) before getting to touch the game.

Destiny2 and Monster Hunter World will also be 1month+ delayed on PC, both of which as online games where half the fun is being there day1 and being part of the zeitgheist
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>>383010329
It's true at least 95 percent of the time.

>NieR Automata, Arkham Knight, and Dishonored
Due to difference in standards. If a game is locked to 100 percent stable 30fps it will be shat on to oblivion on steam, whereas on consoles it's fine.
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>>383006889
>Atari will be added in soon

Groovy
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>>383010576
I got FFXV for free due to account sharing, and I found it to be very average. But that's not my point.

Fighting games are the best example of why "multiplats don't count cause they're on PC" is a dumb fucking argument. PS4 is a much better console for fighters than PC is atm. Will that ever change? Unlikely methinks. If you wanna play fighting games, get a PS4.

As for optimization updates. Idk, I find it pretty shit that you'd have to wait even longer to play a game after you've bought it, just to be able to play it, even if you do get the ultimate exp in the end. On a personal level, I don't care, as I normally wait for discounts to buy games, but some people do. Do people want to be able to play games ASAP, and for those people, a PS4 multiplat is more beneficial.
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>>383010975
Well yes, i myself am a poorfag and instead of waiting for sales i would pirate the game like 3 months later, and yes as you said that's really the biggest downside of multiplats on pc, there just isn't a big community for fighting games.
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>>383010621
Not only that, but many multiplats also have PS4 exclusive content. Destiny 2 for example, has entire maps, armors, and weapons, exclusive to PS4 owners. Get a different version, and you're getting less value for your buck than the PS4 owner, even if yours runs better.

>>383010725
>95% time
Is it?

It comes down to personal taste. I'm a huge fighting game fan, I know to get the PS4 cause the PC versions simply won't be as great. Many games are made and held up by their communities. For me, it's not less than 5% of games, it's over 95% of games I'm interested in being better on PS4. Having access to Souls, Witcher 3, abd GTA without needing a new platform is just a cherry on top to me. I don't care if PC runs them better, I just wanna play them. And many people feel this way too.

Also, take Monster Hunter for example. It's multiplat, but in Japan, it's PS4 exclusive. Guess which platform will be the best if you wanna go hunting with randos?
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>>383006889
Good
>PC

Bad
>Everything else
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>>383011424
MHW also has PS4-only content FYI
Tekken7 and GuiltyGear Rev2 too.
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>>383008298

This is objectively the only correct post ITT.
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>>383011424
95 percent of the time the most played multiplats on console are better on pc.

Some of them the difference is absolutely ridiculous like any fps(KB+M)/minecraft/skyrim(mods), some of them the difference is big and a few the difference is very small like rocket league.

Obviously depends on your taste if this matters.
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PS4 > Wii U > Xbone > Switch
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>>383011654
>monster doesn't care about the player at all and ignore you to beat a dead monster to super death
is this game really this casual? I mean, I don't care all that much if it is but this is kinda sad if we don't get a true monhun 5 and instead get this
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Xbox one >Wii U >Switch >Dogshit>Ps4
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>>383011654
Exactly. The benefit of the PS4 is that while it might not be as powerful as PC, it has access to games and content PC doesn't.

On PS4 you can play:
PS4 exclusives
Sony Exclusives
Vita games
Console exclusives
Multiplats (sometimes with extra content, typically before anyone else).

PC's greatest strengths are its power, the modding community, and the ability to emulate Nintendo.

Ideal console if you're limited to one, is a PS4. Ideal combo, is PS4 + PC. PS4 + PC + hacked WiiU is also great if you really wanna dig into Nintendo games, as the WiiU is an excellent emulation machine.
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>>383012174
what exclusives does the dogshit have?
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>>383012158
SEETHING
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>>383012287

Corn pieces in top plus some ugly looking maggts.
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>>383012158
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>>383012289
not really. gonna play monhun world anyway and I know it isn't monhun 5 but I'm thinking we'll have to wait even longer for monhun 5 now just because of world
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>>383006889
Ps4=Switch=Xboxone=Wiiu0
They are all consoles anon just buy all of them if you want their shallow Exclusives except Nintendo ones those ones are pretty fun.
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>>383012403
SEETHING
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>>383012383
what is that? I'm not reading all that
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>>383012474
anon, do you really think this monhun will be that great?
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>>383011424

>PS4 exclusive content
>a couple of items in a game

Are we going to pretend like the pre order and console exclusive content are worth while now?
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>>383008572
What unlucky soul goes to summer school?
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>>383006889
PS4 > XOne > WiiU >> Switch
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>>383008712
I wish Let It Die was more popular, only so someone could draw porn of this cunt being brutally raped.
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>>383009656
Or, you know they're opinions. Lets not pretend 99% of debates here are over opionons stared as facts. Its possible that people just arent impressed or compelled to purchase the console because it has more exclusives. I thought Tomb Raider was a better uncharted and I know ill get crucified for that. I think Halo is a better Killzone. I think Dark Souls 1&3 are more fun than BB. and I have no real love for most the Japanese jap stuff. I have a PS4 but to me its he secondary console, hell it runs through my Xbox HDMI in. But the community, the controller, the games I like, I enjoy most on Xbox. So its better.
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>>383007736
*yawn*
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>>383007084
What is Arms?
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>>383013253
No one gives a fuck about halo and all the other games you mentioned are on PS4

PS4 is objectively better because it has 90% of the shit on Xbox plus it's own shit.

What new big release did you fuckers even get this year besides halo wars 2
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>>383013734
you could literally say the same about ps4.
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>>383006889
>Nintendodoos sneak in two of their consoles in the image
WEW at least try to be subtle virginlord
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>>383007835
The only way Xbox has games is if they let you play old shit. No thanks.
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>>383006889
>objectively the best
Wii U

>objectively the worst
Switch
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>>383013253
>I thought Tomb Raider was a better uncharted and I know ill get crucified for that.
Good thing they are both on the PS4?

>I think Halo is a better Killzone
Perfectly respectable opinion, one with which I agree. Too bad it doesn't matter anymore considering that ever since 343i touched the Halo franchise 5-ish years ago it turned to shit.

>I think Dark Souls 1&3 are more fun than BB
Once again, good thing they are all available on PS platforms, while with a Xbox you wouldn't know if Demon's of Bloodborne were any better or worse than DaS1-3 since you couldn't get to play them in the first place.

>and I have no real love for most the Japanese jap stuff
All well and good. Plenty of western options on PS4 too. While on Xbone the japanese side is severely lacking

You can enjoy Xbone more while admiting that it's not as good of a system as PS4.
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>>383013734
I state that my post is my opinions. But you still want to argue "objectivity". Glad I could upset you.
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>>383006889
>console war threads
You pcbros are no better either
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>>383011654
>Tekken7 and GuiltyGear Rev2 too.
Excuse me, what? PC is the definitive version of those games
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>>383014173
You, too huh? Does PS4 have more games? Sure. Is it commercially more successful? Sure. Do I see the PS4 (again I own one) as objectively better? No. But I dont think these devices can be objectively defined either. Xbox as a service is just better FOR ME.
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>>383015247
>>383015247
Ps4 itself runs better than xbox. More games. More exclusives. Not being stuffed full of Windows shit. How objectively is the Xbox better?
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>>383014687
In what way? Both have more active communities on PS4. Tekken7 is still alive on PC but will that be the case in 2 months? After all GGRev2 is already dead on PC unless you use Discord or other methods of finding players to consistently play with outside of the game's matchmaking/lobby system.

But on a less crucial level, Tekken7 has jukebox/VR on PS4 only, and GGrev2 has exclusive character colors on PS4 only.
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Xbox is always the worst unless you really love Halo. Literally nothing else.
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>>383006889
They're all objectively shit.
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>>383015550
It running better is negligible if you aren't doing close-up side by side comparisons. I dont even know what Windows shit you're talking about, but it plays games just like a console should so to me that point means nothing to me either. But where you fucked up is your reading comprehension. I never stated the Xbox was "objectively" better. Just better for me. I own a PS4 strictly for its exclusives. And in MY OPINION its no better than its competitors. It's like you guys think you'll get someone to change their mind if you state the obvious. MORE, MORE, BETTER BETTER. Trump level vocabulary.
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Xbone = Switch > Wii U > PS4.
>fanbase on /v/
Xbone > Switch > Wii U >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS4
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>>383015550
>Ps4 itself runs better than xbox.
Not the UI, Party system, matchmaking or online store. Make sure not to put CC info in just
in case that they get hacked for the fifth time.
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>>383014161
I would agree with this if WiiU still had support. I think with what the PS4 has gotten this year, it edges out WiiU.

NieR, Nioh, Blazblue, Persona 5, Crash, Toukiden, are all incredible games. And we're getting Gundam Versus very soon.
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>>383014687
No it's not. Who the fuck plays fighting games alone?

You get like a month of community, and then everyone drops out.
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>>383017110
I actually replied to the wrong poster so you're fine mate.
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>>383016231
>PC=PS4>Wii U>Xbox>Switch
ftfy.

There is LITERALLY no point in owning a Switch if you have a WiiU, and the WiiU's library is much more expansive and varied.
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>>383006889
PS4>Switch>3DS>Vita=Wii U>Xbox One

I own all of them, honestly the Bone is just awful, though at least with 1X I'll get definitive versions of console multiplats...
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>>383017110
>Trump level vocabulary
Thanks for the presidential comment.
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>>383006889
>argueing over consoles
>ever
>for any reason
I guess im some sort of badass outcast of the gaming community, because this has always been retarded.
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>>383008410
The online service is the same, except ps4 is better because multiplats are more active on ps4.

The ps4 is cheaper and stronger then the xbox.

ps4 has better exclusives. but no backwards compatibility, but you're buying it to play new games not old games so it's irrelevant.
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>So much cry about xbox one x

cry some more sony ponies, at least now we will have true 4k instead of fake 4k in ps4 pro
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>>383006889
Honestly out of the four, the Playstation's the best.

I love Nintendo to death, but the Wii U wasn't supported at all, and with the Switch just starting it's life it's library doesn't add up to the PS4's and Xbone's.
The Xbone itself seems like an alright console, except its weak in the first party department, when compared to a PS4 I see no real reason to own one. Except as a cheap alternative to play current gen games (unless you went for the XoX)

Right now I'd go (From best to worst):
>PS4
>Xbone/Switch
>Wii U
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>>383019552
No one actually cares about 4k, no one actually has a 4k monitor.

There isn't a single exclusive xbox game that anybody wants. You guys are literally trying to make a horizon rip off because that game sold so well.

xbox has the least active online for multiplats between ps4 and pc.

It's the inferior console and that's why it flopped and is getting outsold by the switch, just fuck off.
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>>383019462
>The online service is the same
factually worse

>ps4 is better because multiplats are more active on ps4.
both consoles have over 30m owners. if it was like 50 owners vs 1000 then you'd have a point but all popular games have thousands upon thousands of active players on both systems so this is a moot argument.

>The ps4 is cheaper
they're the same price, or the xbox one is generally bundled with more games but still around the same price either way.

>stronger then the xbox.
ok

>ps4 has better exclusives.
subjective opinion. some people like the xbox one exclusives more than the ps4

>but you're buying it to play new games not old games so it's irrelevant.
subjective once again. the ps3 was popular because of the back compat features it originally had and on xbox over 15m people have used the back compat feature. this means it's the total opposite of irrelevant. just because you don't like old games doesn't mean everyone else doesn't like them either. you get literally HD port begging on this board every day for old ps2/ps3 games.
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>Objectively best
PS4
>Objectively worst
Toss up between the Wii U that died barely four years into it's life and the Xbone that has no games
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>>383020481
Huber you manchild
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>>383008893
>Wii U has no future
God damn that was funny to see coming true
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PS4 best
Xbox worst
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>>383020259
>No one actually cares about 4k, no one actually has a 4k monitor.
>literally the best selling tv's are all 4k right now
>inb4 amazon is some unknown store

pretty much everyone i know has at least one 4k screen in their house. then again i don't live in some mainland euro shithole like you probably do.
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>>383008968
>In reality everyone believes this
In what twisted fucking reality to do live in?
>xbone/ps4 are practically all multiplats
It'd be the same for Nintendo, if they ever got any.
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PS4: Good multiplats, good exclusives
Switch: Growing multiplats, good exclusives
Wii U: No multiplats, good exclusives
Xbone: Decent multiplats, no exclusives
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why this board has so many sony fanboys?
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>>383006889
Best at the moment is PS4.
When Switch gets MonHun and Mario it'll be the best.
Worst is Wii U by far.
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>>383006889
For me
PS4 > Switch > Bone > WiiU
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>>383021118
>When Switch gets MonHun
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>>383021363
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>>383007835
>i want the box that lets me play old games
>not the box that lets me play current gen multiplats AND exclusives

Just also own a 360 then holy shit.
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>>383021737
why would anyone do that when they can do all 3 of these with the new xbox?
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>>383008968
>multiplats

But thats exactly what people want to play anon, and affordably. The problem Nintendo has is no balance, they have exclusives up the ass, but no real multiplats. Guess which ones ultimatley win?
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>>383009874
Fisher price controller sucks, but very few games actually need it. Pro controller is great.

I have no idea why WiiU is included in this, but as of right now it's better than Switch simply because it actually has a decent amount of games.
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>>383021873
Because Xbone exclusives are garbage.
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>>383020795
4k isn't as common as you think, nor is it something we even want.
You're an idiot if you think the xbonex isn't a flop in the making
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>>383021686
>jap only
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PS4 Pro
PS4
Switch
Xbox One S
Xbox One
Wii U Deluxe
Wii U Standard
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>>383022138
>region-free eshop
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>>383020795
cheapest 4k are trash, you're better off with FHD at that price
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>>383022138
Switch isn't region locked, and you don't need to know how to read Japanese to know how to play MH
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>>383006889
In order

PS4
Switch
xbox
wii u
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>>383007203
>Poorfag still hasn't upgraded to the X Swiitch Station X Pro
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>>383021994
funny, because out of all the games i've played this gen halo mcc was my most fun experience and i own all consoles up to the switch. your fanboyism is showing.

>>383022106
>4k isn't as common as you think, nor is it something we even want.
well it's certainly more popular than full hd when we look at recent tv sales. all the big tv providers in my country are offering 4k boxes and channels due to popular demand. you sound like the retards who said nobody wanted 1080p back in the day.
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>>383022529
>halo mcc was my most fun experience
Funny because all the good games on that are from previous consoles. Calling MCC an exclusive is disingenuous at best.
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>>383022286
THIS HERE holy shit. Cheap 4k is worse than a decent 1080p. The picture won't really look different and you'll have input lag out the ass.

If you are making the jump to 4k fucking INVEST in it. Wide color gamut, low input lag, REAL (not simulated) HDR, like fucking UPGRADE don't just... sidegrade or whatever the fuck this shit is.

I use the Samsung KS8000, picked it up for $1300 when they were discontinuing them.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000

The new model is the KS9000 in the same line. Seems to be have better motion processing but again, its new, so price wallop. Probably a solid $2000.
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>>383021994
t. sonygro
Xbox's main exclusives are at the top of their respective genre.
Halo 5 has the best arena fps multiplayer on console, Gears 4 is the best third person shooter this gen, and Forza Horizon 3 is the best arcade racing, specially with the Hot Wheels expansion.
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>>383022723
>shills call uncharted collection and crash remake ps4 exclusives
>best game of the gen being halo mcc is suddenly not an exclusive

brb buying halo mcc for ps4
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>>383022282
Region-free factor doesn't magically remove language barrier

>>383022305
Most players need. Real MH5 is multiplat, no one care about Switch.
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>>383020259
>PS4 more than doubled the Switch's numbers
Holy fuck!
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>>383022906
Nobody cares about 343 Halo, post-3 Gears, or Forza in general.
And even if they did, they could play it on PC like any sane person would.
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>>383023143
it's 3 and a half year older
much bigger gamebase etc.
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>>383022906
>best arena fps multiplayer on console
didn't know xbox has splatoon, incredible!
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>>383023059
>the people who say x and the people who say y are the exact same because I said so and it fits my narrative
>a repackage of old xbox and 360 games is the "best game this gen"
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>>383023220
And?

It's doubling it each and every week. Switch only wins in Japan, and only slightly. Noting also that Switch is the weakest market for both, making up less than 20% of the Switch's sales. You people jerk over Media Create threads all the time, but when you look at the big picture, it's really nothing.

>Switch sold 8000 more units in Japan than PS4
yeah, to a difference of 150,000 between the two worldwide.
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>>383022286
cheap 4k is the new equivalent of "I hooked my PS3 up with standard AV cables and the picture looks the same HD will never catch on".
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>>383023589
>*Japan is the weakest market for both

derp
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>>383023547
so we can agree that uncharted collection and crash remake aren't ps4 exclusives then, right? simple yes or no answer
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>>383023101
>Region-free factor doesn't magically remove language barrier
If you don't know how to play MH at this point you're retarded.
And even if you didn't, you could easily figure everything out within a few minutes of mashing buttons.
That is also assuming that the game won't have an English text option, which is a possibility, though unlikely.
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Will the PS4 and Xbone surpass it in terms of library now that it is dead? I would certainly hope so.

Did they do it when it was still Nintendo's relevant console? Absolutely not.

If you're in deep enough to post on /v/ you're in deep enough to video games that you should have a gaming PC, multiplats aren't made to be played on console and consoles aren't made to play multiplats. Consoles are for exclusives and in that regard the WiiU wins no contest.


Also, not pictured games
Super Mario 3D World
New Super Mario U
Wind Waker HD
Monster Hunter 3U
Rayman Legends
Lego City Undercover
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>>383023713
Yes. They're just the old games with new skin on them. Doesn't make them exclusive.
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>>383023713
inb4 some long essay with an attempt of a clever answer
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>>383023216
But that's wrong you fucking retard

>343 Halo
4 and 5 SP are trash, but 5 MP is great also 343 were the ones that somewhat fixed Reach MP when the baton was passed
>post-3 Gears
I have to admit I never liked Gears to begin with
>or Forza in general.
What it loses in not being a fullblown sim despite retards claiming so, it gains in having the best online system
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>>383023220
Yeah it's a 3 year old console and a brand new console can't even out sell it.
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