SEGA will be looking at the reception of Sonic Mania to determine

sonic was never good

>tfw another /v/-hyped game bombs

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>>383004393
>these idiots are everywhere thanks to e-celebs

What do you think it means, OP? Are you touched in the head that you don't understand?

>>383004309
More shoehorned Classic Sanics in 3D games.

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>SEGA gets the Sonic Robo-Blast 2, BlitzSonic and Sonic Utopia teams to create a 3D Classic Sonic game
>Sonic Adventure prequel taking place with Classic Sonic right before Adventure 1
>Sonic Mania 2: Wizzed Out
>Sonic Advance 4
>Sonic Mean Bean Trilogy, 3D Remakes of Sonic 1, 2, 3&K, unlockable CD and Chaotix, spot-on physics
>3D Blast 3D on NEW 3DS

>>383004309
If Mania does well, then they'll probably have the Mania team make more Classic Sonic games.

>>383004723
>Sonic Robo-Blast 2
Shit
>BlitzSonic
Shit
>Sonic Utopia
Cool tech demo

These guys don't have nearly the same credentials as the Mania team. Never gonna happen.

>>383004309
>Mania Team get to make new Mania games
>Get Sumo Digital to keep creating cool Sonic racing games
>Finally release Sonic Team from Hell on Earth and let them make an original IP because they clearly lost all of their love of Sonic well over 10-15 years ago
This is the best possible outcome

just make Super Sonic Maker already.

>>383004309
it means you should buy this thing for the slight chance of killing the "sonic was never good" meme for good

>>383005020

But what if Sonic Mania isn't good?

>>383005096
lol

>>383005096
lol

According to SteamSpy about 14,400 ± 3,166 have pre-ordered it already. That's pretty decent for Steam.

>>383005096
>This nigga

Mania will be great. I have a strong feeling forces will be shit. Like lost world levels of shit

Forces could still outsell it though especially if Mania doesn't have a physical

>>383005246
Forces is Generations 2. It's not gonna play like Lost World.

>>383005287
It does seem to suffer from the same lack of focus that Lost World did though.

>>383004309
It means it's just a marketing method to sell more copies and you should ignore it.

>>383004309
is there any possible way they can fuck up this game?

>>383005460
All that could happen at this point is that it gets delayed somehow again. The dev team is too solid and have too good of a track record to fail hard.

it means dont fuckng pirate it

>>383004309
>company makes things based on how successful the last product was
Color me surprised

>>383005096
We already know that the physics are perfect, and many of us have already played the game because they demo it at every chance they get. The level design is good, the graphics are slick, we know it's longer than S3K and the music is stellar too. Hell, on the basis of the widescreen alone, not to mention tweaks like the new bubble shield physics, it's actually better than the classics functionally speaking

Naturally I understand that as a Sonic fan the default response is "but what if it's shit", but they would have to pull some SERIOUS stunts to mess this game up.

>>383005460
dumb sega execs making the team add shit zones into the game because they think it's a good idea
see: green hill and chemical plant
other than that there isn't really one

I hope Mania isn't plagued with executive meddling by Iizuka.

>>383005718
New Green Hill and Chemical Plant look sick though

>>383004309
so this means WE want sonic forces to fail and sonic mania to succeed?

>>383005781
they do, but i'm sure i'm not the only one who is sick and tired of green hill and chemical plant kind of feels like a waste after generations
wish other zones got the spotlight

>>383005915
correct

>>383005718
>dumb sega execs making the team add shit zones into the game because they think it's a good idea
People keep saying this about the classic zones, but I really don't see how "5-7 new zones with pretty heavily revamped versions of old zones" is a worse idea than "5-7 new zones repackaged with the Sonic 1 and 2 remasters", which is the original idea they presented to Iizuka.

Iizuka's idea of doing revamps mean we're getting more new content than the Mania team originally wanted to do, not less.

>>383004940
If Sonic Team lost Sonic, they'd just double down on Puyo-Puyo and become Puyo Team

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>>383004393
t. IGN
>inb4 b-buh dei test fizix
Wrong, retard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAySLwviwmg&feature=youtu.be&t=390

>>383004309
Sonic Mania looks like the Sonic game that we should of had on the Saturn.

>>383006218
I'm 100% okay with that

>>383004309
If Mania is a success then the series can recover from the painful mediocrity that Sonic Team keeps shitting out.

>>383005714
>Longer then 3&K
I haven't heard this, but it would be cool.
Sonic 3 had six two act zones, Sonic and Knuckles had five two act zones, one single act zone and one "cutscene" zone. So that's thirteen zones right there. I'd expect maybe fourteen/fifteen zones.

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>>383005096
Not a chance. Not even slightly.

>>383004848
>>Sonic Robo-Blast 2
>Shit
No, it's good.

>>383006515
>I haven't heard this, but it would be cool
Well it's not entirely confirmed, but it's pretty much 99% happening.

Iizuka has said it's the longest Classic Sonic experience yet, but Sega have a history of flip-flopping on whether they count S3K as two games or one, depending on which suits them better at the time. However if you look at the facts:
>Hard-Boiled Heavies are only in new zones, and there's 5-6 Hard-Boiled Heavies in the silhouette, meaning at least 5-7 new zones (if we assume that there is a final new zone without a heavy)
>"More classic zones than new" is confirmed so if there's around 5 or 6 new zones then we can assume there must be at LEAST 6 or 7 old zones, maybe even 8 (2 for S1, 2 for S2, 2 for CD and 2 for 3K)
>Not that this counts for much, but on the Level Select menu there's room for pretty much exactly 14-15 zones, a little longer than what S3K had
The most pessimistic guess you can make while still staying realistic is 5 new zones and 6 old zones, but I'd say we're looking at something more like 6 new zones and 8 old zones.

I want Sonic 3 multiplayer stages to become actual stages.

>>383005771
Didn't bother, Sonic Team thought nobody would really care about Sonic Mania.

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>>383004309
It's gonna be great.

>>383006858
14/15 might be a bit of a stretch, but I expect at least 11/12.

>>383007014
11 is the number of full zones S3K had, if we're excluding Hidden Palace, Sky Sanctuary and Doomsday. Assuming they are counting S3K when they call it the "longest" Classic Sonic experience yet, I think it'll easily top 11 or 12 zones. I'd still be happy with 5 new and 6 old, but I've got feeling deep down that they're going to surpass peoples expecations as far as length goes, especially since they're reusing lots of assets wherever they can.

>>383007438
Oh for sure. You know they haven't showed barely anything even though they've shown about 6 zones already.

>>383004393
/thread

>>383006220
Why is it fucking off screen

>implying every classic Sonic zone ever made isn't going to be modded in 2 weeks after release

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>>383006858
>there's 5-6 Hard-Boiled Heavies in the silhouette
What the fuck are you talking about? There's only five, and yeah I do believe that the final level's gonna be a new 2 act stage without it's own HBH.

>>383007873
/(You)

>>383008108
Retro Engine can't be modded in such extreme ways.

>>383005340
The level design looks like Lost World tier garbage and we've seen four full stages now and a boss fight.

>>383008371
Meant for: >>383005287

>>383008371
Well at least it's not cylindrical/sphere based levels anymore. It's like a Sonic game again and not Mario Galaxy.

>>383005287
>It's not gonna play like Lost World
No but you can already see shitty elements from Lost World not being fixed like hidden springs everywhere and flat level design.

>>383008576
I'm more pissed off that they brought back Wisps and the red fuck villain from LW again.

>>383008542
>It's like a Sonic game again
Not for """classic""" Sonic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY3KVTMm264

Threadly reminder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYMenKEwpps

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>>383008676
He looks really out of place next to the others.

>>383006562
PadogaWest logo looks like a fleshlight in the thumbnail

>>383004309

buy 3 copies

>>383008938
I'm already planning on buying 2 copies. I'll buy a third if they actually do a physical release one day.

>>383008839
Please stop shilling your shitty video.

>>383008839
My favorite autist is so happy. Makes me happy in return.

>>383004723
>3D remake of S3&K
Yes please

>>383008839
reminder of what? That you have autism?

>>383004393
FPBP

>>383008697
I don't understand the complaints. What exactly looks bad here?

>>383008882
Looks like he's made of plastic.

>>383008697
What's with the forced slowdown after speeding up?

>>383009098
That's Chaos, Lost World villain is on the right

>>383008886
Amy confirmed

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We're doomed

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>>383009098
He does right?

So /v/ is now going to be screaming TORtanic?

>>383009602
Zurg's better cause he has that cool chaingun cannon.

>>383009649
What do you think? It's a game that people are excited for so of course there's gonna be people out there that hope it fails so they can feel something.

>>383009372
idc if he has a point but why is he acting like sonic mania is a person

>>383009772
Autism.

>>383009075
Shitty flat level design? The God awful physics and music? Play a Sonic game, you fucking poser.

>>383008882
Chaos' model is so good hot damn

>>383009772
It's DeviantArt, what do you expect?

>>383009372
Does this faggot actually think BTS and ATS are better than Sonic Mania? Two games that have shit level design, shit physics, practically no momentum, and only have the soundtrack and cutscenes going for them?

Time Twisted is a bit better but still very much feels like a messy fangame. This guy is off his rocker. I'm salty about the returning zones somewhat too but the rest of Mania makes up for it in spades.

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>>383004309
Of course they are. It's painfully obvious Sonic Mania and the other autistic OC 3D game are an A/B test. They want to decide once and for all whether the 2D classic Sonic fans with no autism or 3D modern Sonic fans with full autism is their market. So they don't keep spreading themselves thin.

Of course neither was ever good so they'll probably both flop.

>>383009905
The soundtracks are literally all that BTS/ATS have going for them. The engine that was used to make them makes Sonic feel like he's moving in syrup.

>>383009372
>personifying a video game
>"...bland, lifeless, souless, and worst of all generic."
>"...Sonic is now a household name more than Mickey Mouse."
This fucking guy. I stopped reading there. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he's trolling.

>>383008882
Metal Sonic looks really sad for some reason

>>383009859
>shitty flat level design

How? There are dozens of alternate paths. There are high and low paths. Are you mad because the person playing took the simplest high right nd skipped all the exploration? At 1:30 you can even see that there was a route even higher with a ramp-like slope that you can roll down from.

>The God awful physics
Where?! It's literally the same as Generations. The thing people keep pointing out is that at one instance it seems like Classic Sonic hopped on an enemy and just dropped suddenly, but that is most likely player induced, as Classic Sonic destroys numerous other enemies and hops off of them like bounce pads, just like in the Classic games. Faggot.

>Music
This is your only good point. The music is fucking trash.

Fucking faggot.

>>383009372
when people say the Sonic fanbase is autistic, this is what they mean.

>>383009372
>Adventurefags

>>383010262
that second point was true in the 90's to be fair. the rest is utter crap though.

>>383010378
>How?
No slopes whatsoever, everything's a straight line and blocky as fuck, are you blind?

>It's literally the same as Generations
Exactly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R16IBC_kD5o&index=2&list

Way to out yourself as not knowing shit about Sonic.

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>>383008882
This triggers my autism

>>383010619
>No slopes whatsoever, everything's a straight line and blocky as fuck, are you blind?
in what universe does the constitute as bad level design? kys.

agree on the generations physics part though

>>383010097
At least the dude is making original games now. His type of game design wasn't suited for Sonic but he does have some talent. I hope his game is selling well, it looks alright.

>>383010696
>in what universe does the constitute as bad level design?
In the universe of a momentum based platformer of course.

>>383010769
you clearly just demonstrated how it's not momentum-based. This level is fine to compensate for Generations physics

>>383010696
I called it "flat level design" and it's bad, ESPECIALLY for classic Sonic because it misses the entire point of the gameplay.

>>383010730
How is that Electric Jester game by the way? Are they using a new engine that doesn't feel crappy?

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>>383006220
wh...

I take back everything I said about those RLM guys' playthrough of the classic series

>>383009208
Chaos looks great mate.

>>383010935
It's like no one at any of the big "gaming journalism" sites know how to play classic Sonic anymore.

>>383006220
How it possible to be this bad at a video game?

>>383004309
Sonic Mania is going the way of Yooka-Laylee, no matter how good it is. Game journalists and kids have already decided that they hate it and "Sonic was never good". It's going to flop and Sega will return to modern Sonic forever. I hope everyone is prepared for this to happen.

>>383009075
Look at how quickly he decelerates to his default speed from going down a slope or coming off a spring/dash pad. The physics look almost non-existent, you've got dash pads every 10 seconds to keep up the pace. Just looks pretty boring to play.

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>>383008882
The only way Forces will be good is if you fight Perfect Chaos again
And not the anemic version from Generations

>>383010834
And now it plays like a generic platformer instead of a classic Sonic game, which is false advertising, therefore shit. If I wanted to play a shitty generic 2D platformer I'd do that instead of playing a game that gets hyped up for having classic Sonic playable while not actually playing anything close to what it should.

>>383011247
I knew this kind of outlook would start appearing the closer we got to release.

>>383011305
I'd rather see a form of Chaos we haven't seen before (1,3 or 5) with different attacks and shit.

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>>383011247
Journos have been surprisingly positive about Mania though.

>>383004309
Couldn't this be said of any release of any game in a series ever?

This should have been Sonic 4. As it stands, I wonder how this game will do, considering how many times Sega has pulled the "Look guys! It's Classic Sonic!" card in recent years.

>>383011525
Everyone's hyped, including normies.

>>383011525
People are very excited. People that haven't been into Sonic in years are excited.

>>383004309
They should just get rid of modern Sonic and replace it with the classic one. That would be the main big improvement.

>>383011525
Not with rehashed stages

>>383011525
It's not Sonic 4, it's Sonic Mania.

>>383011851
The rehashed stages have enough different about them that they're fine IMO. Having Act 1 be the original Act 1/Act 2 with some added bits while Act 2 is completely original is pretty cool.

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*saves the Sonic series*

>>383012327
Taxman so /fa/

>>383004309
hi.

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>this isn't even the full map

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>>383012327
Taxman is a Beautifulman.

>>383012571
I'm sorry for spam, just checking if I'm able to post. Connection error.

>>383011247
where have you seen people shit on Mania? Most of the coverage I've seen has been overwhelmingly positive.

>>383012607
Can't wait to see the map for Mania Green Hill Act 2.

>>383012702
Literally the very first post in this thread

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>>383012820
That's just an autist shitposting, kind of like this guy.

>>383005096
It'll be average at worst.

>>383012906
Ah, that anon. He was a riot.

>>383012820
/v/ doesn't count because everything gets shit on here for easy (You)s and a few shitposters are not a good metric of the overall sentiment of /v/ which has also been largely optimistic. There are always going to be detractors but the overall reception so far has been very positive from fans and gaming outlets alike, which runs completely contrary to that doomsayer's bullshit.

>>383008839
Every time I see this in my suggestions I think "oh wow how original," what's with all these videos based on constantly regurgitated and well established opinions recently? If I had a dollar for every "HOW TO FIX THE SONIC SERIES" or "THE PROBLEM WITH SONIC MANIA/FORCES" video I've seen on the sidebar I'd have enough to buy another collector's edition of Mania, like, a scalped one from ebay

>>383008882
>sasuke_leaves_konoha.jpg

>>383010930
It's the same engine but it's heavily adjusted and plays way better.

>>383005096
But will it have Super and Hyper Forms?

>>383013620
Only Super Sonic, non-hedgehogs can not go Super and Hyper forms don't exist.

>>383013421
Well the guy who uploaded that video was basically the original Genesis Sonic game Youtube LPer from back in like 2009. Sonic Mania got him to rise from the dead after 9 years of basically nothing.

>>383013620
S3&K had them, so probably.

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>>383013697
>non-hedgehogs can not go Super
>Gay Pink Super Knuckles never ever
>mfw

BREAKING NEWS: Company is looking at how well their product is doing to determine future products. More news at 11.

>>383013620
Hyper abilities can easily given to Super forms anyway. Just without the seizure.

>>383014378
Is it ok to have a boner while watching this?

>>383004309
it means they are expecting it to sell good, which it won't cause its a 2d game in 2017.

at least the old ones are free on android play store now, only to be ignored in favor of emulating it.

tl:dr; shouldn't have fucked up sonic 4.

>>383014343
Having the ability to breathe underwater naturally, being able to double jump in eight directions while simultaneously killing every enemy on screen every you do so on top of the benefits the super forms give would be over kill just for Super Sonic.

>>383013804
I was a fan of him too but I'm not holding him on a pedestal

>>383014378
I loved fucking with the bubble shield as a kid. I'm so happy the elemental shields are back, they were so much fun to use.

>>383004723
>>Sonic Adventure prequel taking place with Classic Sonic right before Adventure 1

wouldn't happen, classics is now an alternate universe

which makes more sense anyway

>>383014541
Absolutely.

>>383014542
>sell good, which it won't cause its a 2d game in 2017
2D games still sell well even to this day.

>only to be ignored in favor of emulating it.
If you chose emulation of the originals over the remakes (objectively the definitive versions) then you're retarded.

>>383014883
I need the Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 remakes on Steam right fucking now.

>>383004723
>3&K remake
never ever, there are to manny legal issues with the music, and they know that if they release it with different songs everyone is going to get autistic with it

>>383012327
In the end, it was autism that saved sonic

>>383012327
TOTINO'S
TOTINO'S

>>383004393
I bought that Sega genesis collection on steam during the sale. The early sonic games are really shit. I had a genesis when I was younger and I loved phantasy star and the shining series but the genesis era Sonics were just really bad games. Adventure on the Dreamcast was pretty good though.

>>383015647
Totino Boy cameo in Sonic Mania when?

>>383014608
Super Sonic overpowered was the point wasn't it? Super always feel redundant to me in S3K because it eventually get replaced by Hyper and has no double jump. I prefer if Mania just merge them together.

No way, fuck them. SEGA has so many good IPs that they've squandered. And they have absolutely NO idea how to handle the Sonic series. Ideally, we'd have a Mania digital only side series (like Megaman 9/10), a main series that is Adventure esque, and unique portable titles (like Sonic Rush/Advance). Sonic Forces has absolutely no idea of what it's trying to be, no sense of identity. It's Generations 2 with OCs.

>>383012327
Christian is one suave motherfucker

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However good Mania is I don't think it can beat the OC autism pandering of Forces.

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>>383012327
>>383012629
Taxman looks like 70s anime in real life

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>>383015713
>the genesis era Sonics were just really bad games
>Adventure on the Dreamcast was pretty good though

>>383004848
>>383006801
sonic robo blast 2 had potential, but it's dead in the water now. a couple people on the dev team are still hard at work on it, but the "head" of the dev team (mystic) is a neet in his late 30s who's never had a job and lives off his dead dad's inheritance. ssntails (the former project leader) left the project to him for some fucking reason, and now all he does is power trip on the forums instead of actually working on the game.

mystic is the same person who refuses to move over to git from svn, and despite the rest of the team liking git, they can't use it because he leads the project. he's literal cancer, and the game will never be finished or have fixed netcode because of him.

t. former dev

>>383008245
but that's wrong

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Reminder that Mania has a smaller budget than Forces, so it doesn't need to make as many sales as Forces to make bank.

>>383020563
Then why has there never been level mods for Sonic CD 2011? Hell, there's barely even character mods besides the Metal Sonic one.

>>383004309
At that price I'm gonna buy 2 copies at least.

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>>383020690
But it's also one third the price.

A reminder that DA furfags and children alone will help Forces make more money thanks to "muh ocs".
Expect Sonic Forces 2 with more oc options.

>>383021914
Not the collectors edition you know was almost sold out within a week, and practically completely within 6 months.

>>383019823
I thought they were working on implementing slopes now. Wasn't the last update just a few months ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI97jY3FZ9Q

>>383008697

it's the same as generations

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>>383004309
If Mania sells well then they make more classic style Sonic games.

If it sells like shit then they go back to making 3D sonic games.

>>383008882
I thought Shadow was a good guy now?

>>383023303
What's the same? The physics? Then that's a massive negative. The level design? Then it's way fucking worse than Generations.

>>383008882
Isn't Chaos like a giant force of will? Shouldn't it just be murdering everything?

>>383004309
Sonic Mania may have changed Sonic's path forever. Sega will spend the next decade trying to recapture the magic Mania will have by themselves and Sonic game quality will never improve.

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>>383021914
This is true, but nonetheless, do not be afraid when Forces numbers come out and they look bigger than Manias. It will balance out.

>>383023474
He didn't attack Eggman in Adventure while he was getting emeralds for him, so he has the sense to not attack those who are helping him.

>>383023468
>that's a massive negative.

really? I thought the game was well received, even here.

>The level design? Then it's way fucking worse than Generations.

I don't see anything drastically different from the first sidescrolling level of Sonic Generations

>>383022614
the only thing the last "update" did was make netgames go from completely broken and crashy to somewhat broken and crashy. go read the patch notes.

>>383023691
>I thought the game was well received, even here.
When the last official attempt at a classic style game was Sonic fucking 4 and it didn't look like Sega could deliver anything better. Now with Mania being a thing standards and expectations went way the fuck up.

>>383023678
I love you both. Unless this was samefagging, then I love you.

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>>383023458
He was, even started working as an agent for GUN.

YOU CAN TALK TO TAXMAN AND STEALTH ON IRC RIGHT NOW HOLY SHIT

irc://irc.badnik.zone/retro

>>383004309
Really hope this and Forces flop so Sonic can finally rest in peace once and for all. Sonic has never been good, except the day stages in Sonic Unleashed, those were alright

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>>383024784
Hey! Hey you! Never get a job in the Entertaiment industry!

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>>383023206
Well that was disappointing.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI97jY3FZ9Q

>>383015713
Your opinion is wrong.

>>383013620
Super? Almost certainly (but probably just for Sonic).
Hyper? Almost certainly not, but a man could dream.

>>383009372
bts, ats, and even time twisted kind of suck
Sonic handles awfully and the stage design isn't terribly good.
The music's okay, art is mostly okay, but actually playing the game isn't particularly fun.

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>>383025282
It's shit

thank god we're getting Mania

>>383024651
Always thought it was weird that he went with the exact organization that had Maria killed.

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>>383025282
>Bad ost on a sonic game
shameful

>>383016723
No the point was superpowered, not overpowered. The point of HYPER Sonic was overpowered

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>>383025408
>>383025657
I dunno, it'll probably be remembered as a guilty pleasure like Sonic R's soundtrack.

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>>383025282
Is-- is this ironic? How can this be the offica--

I'm so fucking confused. Is this so bad it's good? Is this art? Do I just not GET IT? Is this pure, unfiltered kino?

What the fuck is this? How is this the offical, I'm fucking mind blown how bad this is, but

HOW. IS IT MEANT TO BE THIS SHIT? IS IT MEANT TO BE A BAD 90S SONG? WHO ALLOWED THIS TO BE IN THE GAME, THE MUSIC IS SO GOOD, BUT THE LYRICS

SO CLOSE BUT SO FAR GOOD FUCKING GOD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PV1MVNgOcc

>>383008882
I'll be honest, I wanna see how the Zeti are this time around, they've got better writers this time, so maybe it won't be as bad as LW.

>>383025657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o47N-aYd08
Not the first time it happened

>>383026226
I thought it was the same writers?

>>383025282
CHOCOLATE RAIN

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>>383026168
>>383025282

>sonic games with bad music

the end is near

GIVE THEM EVERYTHING, OC CREATOR, ALL THE VILLIANS, FUCK IT, ONE LAST DEATH WITH DEATH. UNLEASH THE AUTISM.

>>383026226
>they've got better writers this time
They're the same ones since Colours, you chuckle fuck.

>>383026242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHa0D1aUJwk

FUCK OFF

>>383026242
That's some spin-off nobody cares about though, this is the next big AA 3D Sonic game.

It means I'm preordering it on Steam as well as on PS4

>>383006218

If they get over the 24 autism then I don't see the issue.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW7bunHrdLQ

Be fucking CLEANSED from this filth my children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSdCTS4QTNQ

>>383026393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxP0n7h_914
no

>>383025282
this sounds like a fucking anime intro

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>>383026242
Jesus, it sounds like they converted a wav of Diamond Dust to midi and removed some instruments.

>>383026242
when you 3 other instrument band members don't show up to record sonic music but you have to ship the game tomorrow so you just make do

>>383025282
Wait, this isn't a fucking GiIvaSunner video? I haven't even listened to one of those in months and I half expected Snow Halation or the Flinstones theme to start up when I was listening to this trash.

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>>383026665
Fairly appropriate then.

>>383006220

I kinda love watching games journos be fucking shit at games, especially ones they say are bad.

Anybody have that one gif/webm of someone playing Sonic Lost World and failing at a super-basic jumping section?

>>383004486
The kids born 2000 or later have grown up and they think their opinions mean shit.

>>383025282
I've just realised

It's called FIST BUMP

the title of-- the title of the fucking song, is Fist Bump

Sega, I get it, I reall-- I GET IT <

I REALLY DO. It just isn't the 90s anymore, it isn't endearing, it's just silly.

>>383025282
yikes...

>>383026616
My soul belongs to LIGHTS CAMERA

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Post underrated sonic tracks

https://youtu.be/pd_NcMZ3xcQ

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>Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces exist
>Two games satisfying whatever kind of opinionated Sonic fan you are
>The fanbase still argues with each other which game deserves to be better or more successful

Forces is going to sell better and have an 80 on metacritic while Mania will sell "enough" and have an 88, calling it now.

>>383026727
https://youtu.be/EaZTShiL06s
They literally downloaded midis from vgmusic and shoved them in the game so they could meet the deadline.

>>383004393
Fuck off, Rich Evans.

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Post yfw this popped up during the reveal trailer.

>>383011138

Considering how much they all parrot the "Sonic was never good" meme I assume most either never played the classics for more than half an hour or got butthurt at the barrel in carnival night/that one staircase in chemical plant and never got over it.

>>383027540
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS5HE8FAAsQ

And a remastered version because the GBA let a lot of the potential for this music down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-2-Hd2vyJQ

>>383004393
All I see when I read this is meme opinion is "I'm bad at Sonic games so its always been shit"

>>383027581
Forces pleases literally no one.

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>>383027540
https://youtu.be/IM4zb6ptf2U
https://youtu.be/GqXmVlmzjOQ
https://youtu.be/YDeuBgp9NhY

>>383027581
Adventurecucks aren't satisfied.

They want their dark story written by Ian Flynn.

They want their 3D platformer that has, but doesn't actually take advantage of, classic Sonic physics, instead opting for a lot of automation (but not as much as the Boost games).

They want a large cast of playable secondary characters, all with different playstyles.

They want their chao garden.

>>383027581
>Two games satisfying whatever kind of opinionated Sonic fan you are
The middle section of the fanbase that likes the Adventure to 06 era is not pleased with either game.

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>>383027983
not him, but this is wrong anon

Forces please the ultimate, final hope of sonic which will make forces sell billions

It pleases autism

they could sell the OC creator as a STANDALONE and it would make billions, the fact it has every fucking villain in it from the past out of nowhere, and classic sonic is just to 100% gurantee this shit sells like hot cakes

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>>383027581

>>383026145
They saw everyone get excited after Mario Odysseys theme so they tried to add lyrics that were just as bad.

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>>383027796
They dont know how to play Sonic games or even most games in general a majority of the time. Sonic games just suffer the most from shitty players and cause them to think the game is bad just because they are bad.

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>>383027983
>>383028179
The OC thing fucking reeks of a last ditch effort after Lost World backfired. I really hope Mania does well and Sonic just continues forward down that route. It's more cost effective, makes more sense for the character, and is honestly a good path forward for Sega as a whole. Sonic Team has potential when they aren't working on Sonic stuff ironically enough.

>>383028313
Lyrics in Sonic theme songs are nothing new.

>>383028156
So? They like the worst era anyway.

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>>383027581
>tfw I'm hype for both games
I feel like there are very few of us.

>>383027581
Because the OP literally says that SEGA is looking carefully at which one does better.

>>383028530
I was initially on board with Forces because I did like Colors and Generations, but the more I see the more put off I am.

I'll probably wait and see on it, and if it gets at least decent reception from people I trust on the matter and not journos i'll probably spend my inevitable Gamestop Christmas gift card on it.

Mania I pre-ordered more than once and even gifted around these parts. It's no contest on that one.

>>383025282

I don't hate it as much as everyone else seems to, but I sure the fuck don't like it.

>>383028313
They said that the theme song will have lyrics since they first previewed it at that one convention a few months back.

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>>383027748
>goosebumps
>pic related

>>383028703
generous anon are you willing to conduct the gifting process once again?

>>383028830
I remember way back before Mania was a thing when people always joked about Sega letting them make a real game and people said they would never let it happen.

>>383028530

I'll play forces but I've got not real excitement for it. I dunno if that's just because it doesn't look that great, if it's because it compares so unfavorably to Mania (which is by far my most hyped game right now), or a combination of the two.

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>>383015713

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>>383028703
I pretty much agree. Mania is 100% for me while Forces is going to be one I need to play before having an opinion.
The character creator and its levels really made my hype for Forces drop a bit. Mainly because I just wanted Generations 2 but with original levels. Also the most recent gameplay showing that the entirety of the Sonic character cast had to appear and never shut up throughout the levels.

>>383005096
We've seen a large amount of the game already and it looks good, at worst it'll be a decent Sonic game, and that's already leagues beyond the trash we've been stuck with for forever.

>>383025282
>if it was sung by Johnny Gioeli everyone would lose their shit

Dumbfucks.

>>383029154
My issue with Forces is that there's absolutely nothing remarkable about it. Mania, a game that re-uses old zones, feels way more fresh and exciting somehow

>>383028865
Sure, give me your Steam. First to respond to this with their Steam gets it.

>>383029261
if it was sung by jonny gioeli, it wouldn't sound that fucking terrible, so yes

>>383029261
>If it was sung by a better singer it would be better.

>>383029261
read what you just said

and really fucking think about it anon

i know you can do it

>>383029612
>>383029694
It would still be corny as fuck, and that's half the complaints I hear about it. I'm not a fan either but songs in 3D sonics have always been like that.

And it's not just a Crush 40 thing. I'm pretty sure most people are fond of stuff like Team Chaotix or Endless Possibilities.

>>383025282
>>383026168
Forces is such a fucking mess.

>>383004309
>so our fans want GOOD games

>>383029608
should be YMXCombo

bless you based anon

>>383030002
Crush 40 know how to pull off corny lyrics.

>>383028939
I wanted this to happen since the CD remake back in 2011, but I never thought it would actually be happening. Watching the trailer during that live stream I jumped once I saw the logo after "in association with". And seems a lot of people at the even did to, which is fantastic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VynDxJWZ698

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>>383030229
sent.

>>383027748
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98eoSTr8ips#t=40s

>>383030605
received, you are a beautiful person and I will never forget you

>>383023458
>>383024651
The current writers don't know anything about the characters, they're probably under the impression that Shadow is just evil Sonic.

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>>383027748

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>>383027748

>>383004723
What about the Sonic Time twisted team? SEGA should recruit that team too.

>>383004309
Iizuka is an idiot who will get blown away by Mania overperforming while Forces severely underperforms. At least Nintendo isn't stupid enough to miss that 2D Mario is much more popular than 3D Mario, they still are stupid enough to sabotage 2D Mario while going on a doomed crusade to make 3D Mario more popular when the wider audience doesn't want it.

>>383028432
Kids will eat up Sonic Forces.

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>>383027748

>>383023303
Generations was shit.

>>383031310
Barring GTA and Duke Nukem which series sold better in 3D than 2D?

>>383031558
Metroid Prime is still the best selling Metroid game.

>>383031558
Zelda

>>383031517
That seems like dumb reaction to have while watching a trailer.

>>383031747
I saw Christian Whitehead. I said get lost. Because obviously I wasn't hype for another mobile port or Classic-style game.

>>383023206
Sounds a bit like I Am All of Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG0xEVqQtik&list=PLF80A16C101A8AE23

>>383031949
>I wasn't hype for another mobile port or Classic-style game.
wew what a fag.

>>383029154
I swear you'd better be able to shut the cast up after at least one play through. There needs to be a toggle.

Also, I don't care much for the vocal songs we've heard. Or the Classic Sonic song we heard in Green Hill. I at least like the Modern Sonic city song, but his stage looked ridiculously short. I really hope that isn't an indication on how long his segments are.

I do want to like Forces a lot, Generations is great, but I am severely underwhelmed by what has been shown.

OC I can take or leave. It hasn't made me hate it but it hasn't swayed me in favor of Forces either.

>>383032231
Not everyone likes the old days. Stuck in the past, grandpa.

>>383032367
And not everyone likes good games either, evident by you.

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>>383025282
Fuck you guys I love it.

>>383027540
Pretty much all GG tracks.

>>383032557
Just because I don't want another Classic-style game doesn't mean I don't acknowledge how good of games they are. Mania looks great but it's just what the handheld Generations should've been. Nintendo has shown us with New Super Mario Bros. series that going back to your roots is only good for a certain amount of time. After that it just gets stale and boring. I don't want that with the Classic Sonic series.

I want good 3D games. I am sick of 2D.

will never forget sonic forces reveal trailer
>sonic foot, angry sonic, destroyed city

IT HAS TO BE ADVENTURE 3, OH GOD ITS FUCKING HAPPENIN--

>classic sonic

THERES STILL A CHANCE--

it just wasn't. and then the OC, and then all this shit we've been getting, fucking hell. I don't even want sega to touch adventure 3 anymore

>>383027581
Mania and Forces have complete opposite interpretations of the franchise.

One is built around the foundations that put it the spotlight in the first place, the other relies on bloat and production values.

No one will talk about Forces in a year while people will whine for more Mania.

>>383033084
Adventure 3 will never happen. The same people that made the first 2 have largely moved on.

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>>383033084
>>383033929

>>383034429
none of these are even remotely close to SA3, fuck off

>>383031357
Kids don't give a shit about Sonic. Only people who still care are classicfags who just want more classic stuff and the idiots who got into the franchise with SA2B and want more characters.

>>383010280
bc he doesnt want to fight his son your OC #gametheory

>>383034429
Unleashed was straight up called Sonic world adventure in Japan.

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>>383032965
>haven't had a really good 2D Sonic game in decades
>one is finally announced
>"god I'm sick of this already"

>>383034429
Unleashed doesn't really fit with the rest of those, it was Adventure 3 in prototype name only. Then they realized it was far too different from the Adventure games to be SA3.

The other games all definitely feel like Adventure style gameplay though, though they all have their own quirks that make them no exactly Adventure games.

>>383034539
Sonic Heroes is literally SA3

>>383034764
>Colors is mostly 2D
>Generations is a mix of 3D and 2D
>Sonic Rush is 2D
>Sonic Rush Adventure is 2D
>Sonic Colors DS is 2D
>Lost World is a mix of 3D and 2D
>Genertions 3DS is 2D
>Boom Fire & Ice is 2D
>Shattered Crystal is 2D
>Boom Wii U even has a lot of 2D sections

I. Am. Fucking. Sick. Of. 2D.

>>383034539
Sonic 06 is literally Adventure 3 desu

>>383011305
fuck you
Reptilian THUNDAH was fucking badass

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>>383035045
>2D

>>383035045
And none of them play like, let alone as good as the classics.

>>383004309
Speaking of Sonic, I'm going through older sonic games to get myself ready for it.
I have the Steam version of Sonic CD. I'm trying to play it, but everything is moving too fast. I have a dual monitor set up, and the one monitor I'm playing the game on is a 144kh one. Could that be a problem with this game?

>>383035045
>no 2d sonic gameplay since advance 1 came even close to genesis games
Stop. Typing. Like. A. Retard.

>>383035025
Sonic Heroes was created to not be SA3 though.

>>383035146
And that wasn't the point. The point was I am sick of 2D Sonic games and wasn't excited when I saw Christian Whitehead again. Stop trying to move the goal post.

>>383028467
>e-celeb opinion regurgitator

>>383023458
Maybe he lost his memory again.

>>383035060
>>383035025
>not named adventure 3
>nothing to do with the last two games

learn what literally means

>>383035676
e-celebs' opinion wasn't "sonic adventure was never good", just "sonic was never good"

>>383035794
But Adventure 2 didn't have anything to do with Adventure 1 either.

>>383035287
No, the point was that you don't know what a good game was even if it slapped it's dick in your face. You keep proving that by going about "muh 2D" as if it meant something.

Well I'm buying two copies of this to Sonic Forces one.

So that probably helps.

>>383004309
I wish SEGA would just let ol' Sonic retire. Bring back Phantasy Star or Shining, but not Sonic.

2D Sonics are either too runny like Advance, or too jumpy like CD. Is designing a level that balances both just incredibly difficult?

>>383036254
Sonic 3 & Knuckles

>>383035938
No, the point was I am sick of 2D titles and "Classic" style games, you fucking faggot. I want 3D. Strictly 3D. Unleashed did it well, as well as some stages in Generations. I just want 3D with a formula that works. You are buttmad because I'm not sucking the Classic formula cock that has obviously ravaged your anus.

If you like 2D gameplay more power to you but all I want is full on 3D gameplay. Sonic Adventure 1, 2, Secret Rings, Black Knight, Unleashed as examples.

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>>383036254
Already happened.

>>383036391
Sorry, I should have specified ones after S3&K.

>>383036572
Sonic Mania then.

>>383036447
We haven't had a classic style game in ages though.
>Secret Rings, Black Knight
Jesus Christ.

>>383035045
Nearly all of that is complete shit and none of them play or feel like the classics, which is why Taxman getting to make a game this time is exciting, it is exactly what people sick of the 2D status quo wanted.
If 2D is the only feature you recognize, then you probably don't care about Sonic gameplay or style anyway and should just quit.

>>383036764
But it's still 2D so it might as well be the same shit.

>>383036447
Sonic has never transitioned gracefully into 3D. Some games have had fun parts, but he has yet to be good in 3D fully.

>>383004309
BEST TIMELINE

>>383035919
What the hell are you even talking about? That's like saying Sonic Runners is a direct sequel to Sonic 1 and 2&3 weren't the sequels.

>people demanding a new traditional 2D Sonic game for ages
>after a gazillion years we get mania by the people who know and love 2D sonic
>mania gets the best reception any sonic game has gotten in ages
>Iizuka still thinks this game is a gamble

Someone needs to fire Iizuka.

>>383036883
>Plays completely differently
>might as well be the same shit.
That's like saying you're sick of all the 3D video games that come out these days.

>>383036764
He mentioned those specifically because they don't have 2D sections, they are purely 3D gameplay, not because they are good.

Sonic Utopia is what Sonic was meant to play like in 3D, not psuedo racing platformers or homing attack sims.

>>383034539
>3D Sonic game with platforming and occasional gimmicks in levels
>Hub World that you can run around in, experiment in, and solve puzzles
>play as multiple characters
>a somewhat serious story that ties all of this together with voice acting

>>383037338
I was being sarcastic because of that other faggot's superficial views.

>>383037281
I wish.

>>383037542
Sonic Utopia needs much more polishing but it's getting things right.

>>383037281
It doesn't surprise me. Look at how the Japanese branch treated the western developers of Sonic Xtreme.

SoJ is full of idiots who constantly fuck up.

>>383037404
Then clearly he's retarded because Unleashed is the one that started the trend of 2D sections in a 3D Sonic game.

>>383037404
Secret Rings and Black Knight are as 3D as Star Fox for SNES.

>>383004309

So the Sonic series can either continue to fall off the rails or it can remain in a perpetual wheelspin of never progressing from the 90's?

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>>383025282

Brutal.

>>383037595
>not exclusive to adventure
>go from point A to point B or do an awful sidequest
>3 characters, 2 that control like dogshit, compared to adventure's and 2's 6
>a terrible story with awkwardly-read dialogue

Keep grasping.

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>>383025282

Just when you thought Sonic Team had ruined everything they could about Sonic, they ruined the soundtrack too.

>>383034539
spot the assblasted Adventurecuck

>>383038751
>and 2's 6
*3

>>383038897
it's true, I do have better taste than you 06fags, guilty as charged

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>>383038897
What the fuck is their damage anyway?

>>383025282
This isn't crush 40 right? Please tell me it isn't, this singer fucking sucks.

>>383039161
Of course it isn't.

>>383039067
It's hard being so correct.