Are MMOs dead? Last thread had some pretty good discussion,

Forgot last thread

>>382976139

Don't lie to us. You're planning to start your shitty shillblood general

I've actually been having the MMO itch. Are there any fun 2d mmorpgs that are still alive, something like tibia, ragnarok, or endless online? Any exceptional 3d mmorpgs that are kind of like those games? I like games with player run economies, farming for rare items, crafting, player businesses, and fun pvp is a plus.

>>383003891
>2 threads discussing WoW stay up
>Can have one thread for another MMO

Nah, fuck off.

>>383004037
BDO is probably the only open world game like that at the moment.

It has it's own share of issues, but it will give you the economy and PvP you want.

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>>383001864
>Does it work, though? Compare FFXIV's numbers to WoW during Wrath.

This is unfair and you know it. Wrath was a flash in the pan, and it is extremely likely we will never see numbers like that in any MMO ever again. It was great expansion following the two most praised eras of any MMO, vanilla and TBC WoW. It was in the right place at the right time. Even current WoW can't compare.

The game had less than half of the numbers in MoP than it had during Wrath. Not to mention they have always counted the chinese as subscribers, who don't pay a monthly sub. It has been estimated that at its peak, WoW has only had about 3-4 million. During MoP, the game probably had less than 2million subscribers.

Don't believe anything I just said? Here you go:

>"World of Warcraft subscribers are defined to include: (1) individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft , (2) those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access, and (3) Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days."
>(3) Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days.

>"In January, there were 1.6 million level 90's in North America. 1.9 million level 90's in Europe."

Now sure, you'll say, how many people that play don't have a max level character (at the time)? Quite a few, I'm certain. That being said, how many people at max level only have one max character? Who really knows? I had 11 level 90s in that snapshot personally, and while I know that I'm not the average player quite a few people if not everyone I knew had at least 2-3. Also, this isn't taking into account people who hit level 90 and unsubscribed. The game isn't as popular as Blizzard makes you think.

Also, it sounds like you don't like MMOs. The genre is all about playing in a living world, accomplishing difficult things with or without friends, and having a place to either admire others or show off.

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>>383003828

http://chroniclesofelyria.com/
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBz8BUSqoKuE6QszGssFODSJeORXhJQpP

>1200 queue for odin
>1400 queue for omega
Stop playing my game you fucks

>>383004037
no, the age of mmos has died
all the mmos are now are p2w crap, sit all day on the capital or some edgy experimental nonsense

the future seems to be steering towards mobas, as cancerous as they are

>>383003828
Current era is that of min-maxing and korean grinders. There is no longer sense of adventure you had with older MMOs. Meeting a player with rare or hard to get item was huge. Now people just dig game files and find the best possible/quickest way to things.

>>383004223
>using a bow
>with pauldrons bigger than her head

>>383004261
transfer to one of the dead servers if you care so much, not like there is a shortage of them

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PLEASE TRY MY FREE TRIAL UP TO LEVEL 35 IF I DON'T GET ENOUGH PEOPLE TO TRY MY GAME I HAVE TO SUDOKU MYSELF PLEASE UNDERSTAND

Why is there such a lack of content in Stormblood?

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Not as long as I'm having fun.

>weekly limit on drops
>content gets less and less people running it after everyone got their shit
>mfw more than 30 minutes on V2
FUCK OFF

>Think ESO isn't even that good
>Decide to try other MMO's
>All of them are reduced to standing in front of each other and exchange damage as if they made a real-time game but decided to go with turn-based combat anyway
I've heard BDO is pretty decent but that it's basically p2w

>>383004316
Rare items are probably never coming back.

There have only been a few modern games with legitimately rare items, and these usually had one or two downfalls that killed the community.

Either the drops were so rare that literally only one or two people on a server would get them, or the drops would be zerged and monopolized by a single guild.

>>383004379
>mfw leisurely finished the MSQ a day before omemega came out
Feels good to not be an autistic poopsocker

>>383004037
The closest to Ragnarok WoE is Black Desert Online right now.

Make an MMO that isn't a fucking WoW clone. Hell, preferably one that isn't even a pure RPG.

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>there are people who don't play elves in every MMO that has them

Disgusting plebs.

i miss vindictus.

>>383004610
I only play the HUGE races.

>>383004379
>Stormblood
is that a game about menstruation?

>>383004451
Try playing a non-DPS class some time.

I think it's hit a stagnation point after the big boom in the early-mid 2000s. The market is oversaturated with a lot of mediocre to bad games and most of them seem to follow a routine (even the big ones like ffxiv) where content is churned out with an almost paint by numbers design. So it's dying I guess sort of in the sense that innovation and advancement is pretty slow.

>>383004580
BDO PvP comes with the poor balance of WoE as well.

I'm enjoying it but I picked a broken class.

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>>383004316
I fucking HATE this shitty meme.

"Exploration" in MMOs is dead because you grew up. When you were a kid, you had an expansive imagination and a very limited set of expectations. When you walked around you had no idea what you could find in that chest around that corner behind all of those scary level ?? kobolds. It could be literally anything in your childish head. Nowadays, you come across that chest and your cynical adult mind says, "it's probably 14 copper and a shitty health potion" or you just look it up online. Then you'll go level as efficiently as possible to get to the real content at endgame because you KNOW that the real game for an MMO starts at max level.

Exploration died with you, when you grew up.

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>>383004664
Remove huge races

>>383004696
It still doesn't change the fact that this retarded design makes queues only go at a reasonable rate around the reset day
I've had tanks stuck in the same queue

Reminder that Dragon's Dogma Online exist. It's not a perfect MMO by a long shot but hot damn the combat's good with some buddies.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=808431559

>>383004770
>the real game for an MMO starts at max level.
this is actually the meme that killed mmos

>>383004751
RO was a balance clusterfuck as well, but people have fond memories.
Are you talking about the concept as a whole or class balance? Because I like the approach they are doing here, even if it's slow (bring other classes up to the level of strong classes with buffs, instead of arbitrary nerfs to appease winers like in WoW).

>>383003828
I still firmly believe that EVE online is still the best MMO out there

>Inb4 hurr durr second job

>>383004770
You're wrong. Flat out wrong. Having gotten back into everquest with project 1999 recently I can definitely say that it's not solely an "age" thing. I still get those feelings rediscovering things I hadn't seen in over a decade and going to places i never got the chance to back in the day. The thing about older mmos is you had to actually work to explore. You felt a sense of accomplishment when you successfully made it there.

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I want a vindictus-like arcade brawler with the open world/world of guild wars or WoW

Is it too much to ask?
BDO is not and will never be like vindi's combat

>>383004902
Just class balance in general. BDO and RO are similar in that there are 4 or 5 jobs that are considerably more useful than the others.

Balance patches seem to be pretty sparse as well, at least for the NA release.

>tfw outdamaged by a DRG as SAM
>his total autoattack damage is straight up 125% that of mine
Does having a VI materia in every single slot make that much of a difference?

>>383004473
>implying teso is any different
Seriously nigga? Combat in teso is the worst thing about it, from animations to how stiff the whole action part feels.

>>383004798
Sure I can't argue that the weekly reset EVERYTHING design is stagnant and poorly thought out, but you can at least get through it faster if you just have an alt job to quick queue. Either that or just live with the DPS queues and find something else to do in the down time. Watch some TV, craft, gather, do daily hunts, do homework if you're a student, etc etc.

I had a slight hope for something different in Stormblood, but realistically I just expected a good story and more of the same endgame stuff, the only high hopes I had being that the primals continued to be fun and Savage will be mechanically interesting and not a fucking soulsucking nightmare like Gordias. So far I haven't been disappointed beyond the general sadness over the weekly reset design.

>>383004918
It is mechanically but in actual play it's boring as all fuck.

>>383004918
I agree
I don't really get the "second job" complaint. Maybe it's because I put in a lot of research when looking at corps to join and I don't take part in the nullsec stuff but every corp I've been in has understood that EVE's just a game and sometimes you get too busy to play, or want to play something else sometimes.

>>383003828
I'm playing an mmo literally right now, so obviously not.

>>383003828
That Hyur woodwailer is a qt

>>383004894
No shit. But it's what you get in today's MMOs. The life of an MMO fanatic is suffering.

>>383004928
>older MMOs
>nostalgia

This is why I'm keeping an eye on Pantheon. I feel like it'll be shit like every other MMO, but I want to hope it'll be good. While I stand by what I said, it doesn't help that developers no longer know how to create something worth exploring. I grew up without the internet, so exploration was necessary and natural without a walkthrough. Nowadays? I don't think it's possible to do in a large-scale, popular MMO. How do you properly incentivize and create exploration? I don't think you can, and that adult cynicism we have doesn't help.

>>383005028
SAM autoattacks aren't particularly strong compared to most classes. You get your 10% damage buff from Jinpu, 10% speed buff from Shifu, and 10% slashing from Yukikaze, and that's it. DRG on the other hand gets 15% and 5% passively, but also has two direct damage buff duration skills. The materia also probably makes a difference, but the bulk of that difference is probably the other guy optimizing more than you and the differences in jobs.

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Farm party they said. High dps they said.
Fuck it, I'm going in full slayan gear next time.

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>>383004770
While the internet really has killed most of exploration it's not always the case.
EVE Online still had a real sense of danger and exploration was an actualy way to make money.
BDO usually suprises me with how great and atmospheric certain places look. Riding through this foggy forest at dusk has been a memorable experience for example, or a sunset at the beach, or while hunting in the mountains.

>>383004451
Well they have several options

A) Make the gear drop directly and only give like 1-2 pieces meaning you have to spam it and get lucky. (which is more or less the normal route except there is a LOT more gear to get because it's armor and jewelry)

B) A loot lockout which means you have the issue you mentioned, but the loot that is dropped is at least not class restricted

C) A timed lockout where you can only run it x amount of times a week and you just get the loot from it for running it which would have the same problem in terms of queues slowing down a lot, in fact it'd be worse.

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>>383005391
>be dps
>do lakshimi
>die to OT tanks not doing their job
>be tank
>do lakshimi
>die to enrage

You just can't win

>>383004037
>I like games with player run economies, farming for rare items, crafting, player businesses, and fun pvp is a plus.
oldschool runescape

>>383005582
I'd throw in Wakfu, but the recent mining and kama minting changes inflated prices

>>383004976
Could be better I guess, I'm just glad there is a huge demand for wizards/witches as well. I remember how WoW had servers that LITERALLY where 50% rouges and they were basically fucked as not group or guild would ever want them.

Yeah, they have to give classes withough good aoes, utility or CC some sole to play. Assassin type classes aren't great either in how endgame PvP is currently like. Other classes are just underrated with people not realizing their potential (Tamers). I think I'll stay cautiously optimistic for now though.

>>383005350
delete fast travel

Don't let maps fill in massive chunks by walking an inch into a new area.

>>383004918
It's good but really stale.
If they did a server reset I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. This late into it's life with that retarded skill progression? Not so much.

>>383003891
>Complain about number of threads
>We pare it down to one
>Still get hunted and deleted

Come on.

>>383005524
This is the fucking worst feeling. I can tank Expert roulette, group pull the whole planet and survive for a long fucking time, and then all the monsters are alive when the healer runs out of MP because the DPS are braindead sacks of shit who are single targeting, but switching targets so nothing dies. Or of course a healer who can't sprint and doesn't know how to use their heal spells properly, though that one's really rare, even if they don't dps they can usually keep me alive.

Or I queue as DPS, sit in queue for 35 minutes, then get a tank who refuses to pull or tank more than 1 enemy at a time. The only way to win is to bring your own party.

>>383005524
If we're on the same data center i'd help you some time. I mean I'm a healer but I've done the fight plenty.

>>383004223
what game?

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>>383004037
Have you tried dungeon fighter online? Farming for rare items is a staple.

What are your opinions on these MMO's I've played and genuinely enjoyed?

Maplestory
Wonderking
LaTale

Guild Wars 2
FF XIV

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>check out black desert
>"3 friends already own this game"
>all anime avatars and known trapfags

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>>383004223
I'd play her game...

>>383005919
>being friends with people you apparently hate
whats wrong with you

Anyone still playing Runescape? How is it now?

>>383005981
runescape 3 is an abomination
oldschool runescape is great
/v/scape is exactly what you'd expect from a fucking 4chan private server with like 100 active players

>>383004795
Some guy in Duty Finder literally referred to me as Bara Dad the other day.

>>383005919
>having those on your friends list in the furst place

>>383005918
FFXIV is like going to a very nice fancy restaurant where they have live bands playing music for you and amazing art hanging on the walls and then they bring you your meal and it's a fucking bologna sandwich

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>>383005973
He needs a padded friends list to feel good about himself

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How is the questing in wow these days? I'm on a break from playing warframe and looking for a good mmo to play with some friends.

Trying to decide between black desert on steam, world of warcraft or maybe elder scrolls morrowind.

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>>383005981
OP here. I play OSRS. It's pretty good, but they still pump out updates weekly which over time will change the game (obviously). They are very hesitant to introduce the powercreep we see in RS3, so most of the gear you remember from late 2007 is still BiS with some minor exceptions.

It's basically the classic game if they had kept updating it and not had the removal of the wilderness, EoC, and updated graphics changes which destroyed the original game. Worth a try.

>>383005919
>keeping people you hold in contempt around

Nice meme.

>>383004368
There actually is at the moment, I tried to make a new character on the EU datacenter and all but 3 servers were closed to new characters, and there were queues on the 3 that were left.

Don't expect this to last though, the new raid is easy and boring as fuck with ugly gear rewards. After a month most of the playerbase will fuck off again.

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>>383005524
>Lakshmi extreme on the sunday night during EA
>manage to kill her just fine in a party of people sub 305
>last week try to get kill for friend
>can't do it with a group of 307+

>>383003828
albion online is going to get released on 17 july what do you guys think will happen with it, are you looking forward to it? or has it killed its own hype by being too late?

>>383005919
Well you are a friend with those degenerates, so you'll probably enjoy it too.

>>383005973
>>383006105
>>383006245
I don't use Steam to socialize. However, friend list is pointless if I don't do anything with it.
I have hundreds of friends since I add good players so I can always join a decent lobby through them. I really don't care what kind of people they are since we never communicate in the first place aside from greetings.
Aside from being portals to quality lobbies, they apparently also work as red flags.

>>383006254
I had a Shinryu group yesterday that failed like 7 times in a row. Vote abandon into new party and we did it first try. Most people are just retards.

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>>383004795

>>383006252
Majority of the servers are very low population.

If I get started playing OSRS what are some things should I know? Scimitars are the only actual melee weapon right?

>>383006514
play it
wander around
have fun
yes scimitars are the real niggas of pve until lv 70 attack

>>383006514
Add my IGN: Ice Arrow.
I'll help you out without ruining the game for you, especially if you're new.

>>383006629
osg ironman idiot

I know making an MMO is a titanic endeavor. Although, despite everything there are some free/pen source projects made by enthusiasts.

Which begs the question: would it be possible for /v/ to join forces and, using one of those open source projects, make a good MMO (things like global real time combat, good graphics, etc would obviously not be there)?

>>383004969
dragon nest?

>>383006663
???

>>383006672
no, of course not
why would you even entertain such a ridiculous notion

>>383006254
>Parties in PF with ilvl 310+ Requirements
>Idiots actually believe better gear will make them retard proof

Every time.

>>383005524
>people keep saying that the new EX primals are easy
>instead of making successful farm runs more frequent, this just attracts more shitters to them
>mechanics have a complex targeting system that almost always go after the dumbest player in the party so shit is actually harder than it should be
I will just put <Hero of Gelmorra> on top of my head and wait for the relic quest patch to have something to do in this game. Apparently that is the only way to enjoy this game after MSQ ends.

>>383006672
/v/ couldn't even handle broquest and that was a shitty 2d single player RPG

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>>383005524
Went in with a new group

>>383006721
i know who you are dont try and hide from me

>>383006756
it worked for a while, since you'd need to have been a part of good groups to get 310+ early on. now its not so hard.

>>383006747
Dunno, I mean, if some dudes made Tibia in a garage surely a group of 1000+ people should be able to make something better, as long as they are motivated and well organized.

>>383006830
I'm not. That's why I posted my IGN. Do you have brain damage?

>>383006824
even the MT is shit, that's impressive.

>>383003828
I had some WoW tokens from last time I quit and decided to use them.

I rolled a new character on a populated RPPVP realm (Emerald Dream) - I was horde always, so I decided to try Alliance and start from the ground up, no heirlooms no nothing.

I'm actually having fun.

>>383006673
I had fun with it, but it's instanced as well.
Decent alternative for sure

>dying doesn't remove the float status
>if you get rezzed after Catastrophie does 100 G and he uses -100 G you die again
Thanks Yoshi!

>>383005913
Too bad they have the shitty fucking fatigue system because they don't want you to play their game. Also the auction house being retarded compared to before previous shutdown hurts it.

>>383006830
For me the iLevel requirements just meant that I used tomes for shittier cheaper gear over chests and pants to get in Ex-primals faster.

>>383007156
>hurr I don't know how to revive around mechanics
do you think they just happen at random?

>>383006824
I kill Lakshmi in DF whenever I feel like there's nothing to do so all the time, how is it possible to not clear it? Do your retards even use vril or what's their problem?

>>383003828
People are tired of the grind formula, and they grativate towards the auto-play mmost. Queue-finders , Auto-walk,etc.

But that is not fun at all, so they quit.

>>383007360
Having been in many failed learn/clear groups vril failures which result to lack of dps is most common problem.

>>383006037
>>383006201

What's so bad about RS3.

And starting over doesn't sound appealing. My skill total was 1600 or close to that before I stopped playing.

>>383006805
They are unironically easy. Both fights are extremely scripted to the point where the only variation in any of them is which player happens to be targeted by the mechanic you know is coming.

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The best MMORPGs are the unforgiving PvP ones.

The best memories I have are being scared shitless of grinding outside of the cities, doubting of everyone that came close to me and the rewarding feeling of managing to get back to the city to deposit the loot I made.

getting killed and dropping everything was infuriating, but it also made me feel alive.

>>383005839
>get a tank who refuses to pull or tank more than 1 enemy at a time

Yeah, I'm a pussy. I'm not doing massive pulls in leveling dungeons with a random healer.

>>383005913
>farming rare items
>DFO
You mean "playing glorified slot machine for rare items", right? Because hell mode is literally that.
I wouldn't call dumb dailies for welfare sets "rare items" either.

>>383007575
play it and find out

>>383007360
People shit the bed with the last set of vrils. Of course, good farm group won't ever see them but most do.

Like they might get the first stack up vril right but then there's the second one and strotam which they fuck up

>>383003828
Yes, the main issue is they all feel like grindy clones.
Why would I play generic MMO #3498 which requires a massive time sink for a less than fantastic end game when I can just play something else that gets to the fun immediately.

>>383005919
Black Desert is an afk simulator. The 'core game' if you can even call it that, is literally just grinding mobs for 50 levels and then shitty endgame pvp that's dominated by old players and cash shop.

The node system is interesting, but that's about it. Every other aspect of the game is trash.

>>383006160
If you want good questing, play Secret World: Legends.

No other MMO comes close.

>>383007575
>1600
Awful total level. Not being 13 years old will help you catch up in a few weeks tops. Also the first part of the game is the comfiest, that's why so many people restart constantly.

As far RS3, where do we even begin? It's just not the game you used to know to put it lightly. There is a guy who maxed out 100% just using microtransactions, and the combat plays like a shitty WoW-ripoff.

>>383007675
That's why you just ask your healer 'hey you good with big pulls?' - most of them are totally cool with trying. If you die, sure ease it back. Don't be a pussy.

>>383006916
RP realms make WoW a lot better. Just a shame it's mostly hub-based RP.

>>383004610
>tfw pretty female elezen healer
>too tall and intimidate people

Please love me giraffes make good mothers. I tried to pet a cute little WAR lala and he ran from me.

>>383007360
Having cleared both primals in PF and done it solely through pf learning groups I can say this:

8/10 times you wipe to ernage. And the reason why it's enrage is because people die to stupid shit like not knowing when to vrill or fucking up on the vrill shielded adds phase and killing them with no shield up. The other two wipes is because the OT either fucked up with aggro or positioning and lakshmi took a big shit on the party. For Susano it's a 3 way tie between people not paying attention to when they have purple marker, people not paying attention to where the cloud is and the dps being too shit and enrage happening.

>>383007737
I see people fuck up the stack vril all the time. I assume that's because it doesn't kill you so people don't learn.

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>>383007905
>when the OT fucks up aggro but the dps who got aggro executes the mechanic properly

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>>383007675
m8 i was double/triple pulling on my first attempt of the SB dungeons just as it released

pic related

>>383007847
what you do is pull whatever you optimally pull and then if you die you just start acting passive aggressive towards the healer and mention how you always pull like this and you've never died to it before like i do

>>383007896
I play male lala and I love elzen women but i'm a special case because I have a size fetish and the size difference makes me hard

>>383004770
>EVE is the only MMO left that actually gives me the feeling of discovery in a vast world beyond the initial trial.
>So unforgiving as to make exploring take lots of time to amass enough equipment for a venture in which I might not survive.

Sure, I could fly out in a 20m covert ops, but if I want to do anything other than snipe radar/mag sites, I'd have to take a more expensive combat ship which I can't easily replace. I still remember the rush of doing an 8/10 DOD plex out in nullsec alone though, scanning like mad while killing enemies and praying for a drop from the boss. It was like betting my life savings on a game of poker.

>>383007994
Naw man don't be like that, healers are your friends. It's the DPS who you should be mad at, for consistently being shitty and slow at everything. If all the mobs die before you take enough damage to need healing, everyone's happy - and that's why White Mage is the best dungeon healer.

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STORM OF BLOOD
BORN FROM BLOOD
OF OUR FALLEN BROTHERS

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>>383005839
>RDM
>AoE pull
>notice hes doing the usual single target shit and SB tanks cannot hold aggro on multiple mobs when they are being focused 1 by 1
>tell him to use scatter
>eww no that skill sucks its weak
>mfw RDM has one of the strongest AoEs

I'm DONE with tanking until they fix this. Fuck this. I could write so many similar stories for the ex primals tanking is easy so let the faggots that want to spam aggro combos play that gay shit.

>>383007818
Is it out yet?

>>383007986
>get your entire character obscured by a fucking targeting reticule
>pop vril and walk a little to the side of the MT

truly a dps that can handle such in depth mechanics should be celebrated

>>383007585
Too bad memorization apparently is extremely rare skill and people prefer to stand still when targeted by the cloud because "Susano will push them away anyway" or to attack random rock cages because the locked person forgot to mark his cage.
I will just quit now and farm it after I hit level 80 in two years or so. I wanted the katana but I already got a weapon for my main at least.

>>383008167
Yeah. It's also free, so give it a shot.

If the combat was a bit better, I'd play it and nothing else.

>>383004610
>hauchefant ripoff

>doing DELTASCAPE V3.0 (SAVAGE)
>have to stand in tile with weapon drawn
>have to stand in tile with weapon sheathed
>have to stand in tile while doing an emote
>each role tile only takes one person
>there are 6 dps tiles
>tanks have to switch stance and stand in them
please look forward

>>383007818
>Walk to a point, kill 10 zombies.
>Walk to next point, kill 10 zombies.
>Walk to another point, kill 10 zombies.

The investigation quests are fine, but there is lots of boring bullshit in that game.

>people still asking this question in 2017
Damn underage. That shit has been a smoldering pile of waste since before the turn of the 21st century. Educate yourselves.

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>>383007905
>Lickme is in chumbawumba mode
>tank forgets to vrill the tank buster
>fucking dies because of course he does it's a fucking oneshot without vrill
>"-_- sigh... I can't tank if healers don't heal"

Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you

>>383008264
Fucking kek, its sad because theres a high probability youre right

How is it possible that fucking Puzzle Pirates handles player interaction, player agency and economy better than the big industry hitters like FFXIV and WoW?
FFIXV should be disqualified from MMO status in all honesty, 99% of the content is a single player RPG storyline.

>>383008280
Don't do the combat quests, then.

You can level by exploring for Legends and doing side/investigations/sabotage missions. And plenty of combat missions are different enough and not just 'kill ten bears and collect their asses'

>>383008447
Holy fuck I had this exact thing happen with some special snowflake fucktard PLD from balmung
>doesn't vrill buster
>haha dps can't fucking position flowers for shit but whatever
>healers tell him no you idiot, you didn't vrill the tankbuster
>just keeps saying it was the dps fucking up
>eventually drops group
>someone else from balmung apologises and says that that is their FC/Static leader
jesus christ

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>>383007675
I simply don't care to do big pulls because most DPS actually kill three groups slower than they can focus one group down, since now the healer is having to work on heals instead of tossing out damage. Also, because I'm an oldfag and long for the time of lethal single group pulls like the start of TBC where most of the enemy group had to be CC'd and tanking cooldowns were like 30 minutes. Because I feel every pull in a dungeon should warrant special attention in how to approach it.

>>383008167
What are the classes like? Do they still have kung-fu magic?

>>383008501
>sad
that sounds fun as fuck though?

>>383008530

Because FFXIV and WoW are target at retards to try and drain their wallets in the most efficient way possible whilst keeping players doing the same shit over and over until a new xpac comes out and they can get more money.

Puzzle Pirates actually tries to make the players have fun.

>Chinchilla Divine Doubt followed by boosted Pall of Light
>almost the entire party weren't expecting to Vril and got hit by bleed
>they do it again for the next Pall of Light
>AND the Stotram
>we clear anyway
The only way to possibly fuck up Lakers is if your healers are sleeping on the wheel
Also it always amuses me when I'm trying to position my cross and a healer got pressured off the platform trying to dodge it

osrs is great but the community is pure garbage

>>383008264
I'm betting the quicksand area will be bigger, only send a few people at a time (like A4), and force a top down camera angle so you can't see the whole route you're taking. Or some bullshit like that.

Also O4 damn well better have full-on Neo Exdeath with multiple targets that need to be dealt with/focused in certain order to prevent raid wides that if all allowed to go off would certainly kill you all.

>>383003828
YES IT'S DEAD,
NOW
FUCK OFF
U
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>>383008790
it sure is
osg cc is good times though

>>383008149
Stop doing your aggro combos and let him die

>>383008759
Go to your own thread, jesus.

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Is rift still a relevant game at all?
I remember playing in the open beta and for about a month at launch. It had some neatish ideas and a pretty cool world, but it never really gained much traction.

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>>383008623
>that mentality that so many tanks have where they believe they are the alphas and the defacto party leaders and are never wrong just because they tank

thank god i know a few chill as fuck tank mains

>>383008958
Rift was amazing until it hit F2P and had quite a big playerbase. Way better than WoW in every single aspect except maybe music and races.

>>383008653
>queue as tank
>get shitters like you describe who can't fucking aoe or deal tank level dps

>queue as WHM or dps
>get faggot tanks like you who single pull and take a second pause between each pull to make sure the parties ready
when i was leveling WHM through dungeons after hitting 70 on PLD the role ability rescue sure came in handy so I could sprint ahead and grab some more enemies then yank the tank into them so I could actually use Holy effectively instead of standing around fingering my ass

>>383008958
Also interested in this. Never played it, heard good things about it.

>>383008131
That's Stormblood's leitmotif. You know HW's leitmotif. What is ARR's leitmotif? This? https://youtu.be/AJSM4tAeEAA

Answer's more Coil's theme and/or 1.x's end theme, if you ask me.

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The only fun mmo anymore is gw2 and that's if you aren't a short-tempered fuck who breaks his computer due to losing a match.

>>383009016
I remember it had a really neat class system. I also really enjoyed scouring the zones for those little artifacts you could collect. 1 shotting people as an explosives sabotour in pvp was also fucking hilarious, never played a hotkey class quite like sabotour in rift.

>>383008958
Not really, probably less than 5k players if we're being generous. I really don't know how or why it still gets content, but it still gets new raids and even expansions. If RIFT was still alive, I'd probably play it over FFXIV
>>383009043
I'd still give it a go since its F2P. I have no idea about how often dungeons are ran now, but there's a mentor like system where high levels are given bonuses when running lowbies through lower shit. Pretty good singleplayer, although I got bored in Storm Legion due to all of the fucking Carnage optional quests that littered the map.

>>383008958
I remember when the game first came out, I played a class that used traps and bombs. PvP was an absolute fucking blast

>>383008653
Honestly if your healer is DPSing hard you can do one by one or 2 packs if they total to less than 5 enemies. Any more and the healer cant do shit in SB dungeons and if its a SCH they can run out of MP if they dont have cds. I wish I could see the amount of resources a healer has besides MP.

>>383008958
It's ok, not great and not as good as wow but it's decent enough.

My main gripe was the races felt bland as fuck, you can hate on wow but those races are pretty fucking awesome.

>>383008830
and take even longer? FUCK no

>>383009008
Like a day after I reached 70 someone dragged me into a Lakshmi learning party and told me to OT without telling me fucking shit about the fight. It was almost infuriating to make a bunch of mistakes, clearly be at fault for multiple wipes and people would not even tell me what I was doing wrong out of fear of offending me and making me drop party if I was a sensitive faggot. I just don't want to be a useless piece of shit.

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>>383009118
I wanted to like that game so bad, the combat really put me off though.

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Any MMOs that don't do the whole 'the real game starts at endgame!!!" thing?

I want to actually enjoy leveling and do varied, challenging content before max level with other people.

>>383009419
oldschool runescape
depending on how you define max level, literally no one has made it to the max xp yet. although an autistic swedish man who is fully supported by his parents and eats nothing but bread and lasagna is well on his way to being the first.

>>383009419
Black Desert, Elder scrolls online and Guild wars 2.

>>383009118
>excited for game
>finally launches
>play the literal singular reason i bought the game, necromancer
>they're shit
d r o p p e d

>>383009334
Character creation any good? Body sliders?

>>383009419
Most of the MMOs like that are either really old mmos (though a lot of those streamlined super hard) or korean grind fests like ToS. Leveling has been relegated to a formality over an accomplishment like it used to be.

Maybe I'll get an answer here as ffxiv general just kept ignoring me.
What is a good eu server to start on?
Is it worth it to join one of the new eu servers?
What's a good tanking class and is it worth it to go tank?
Is conjurer then later summoner usefull?
I'm going to start playing ffxiv this weekend with my friend so need some help brehs.

>>383009284
what annoyed the shit out of me was people standing around for like 10 fucking minutes at the start of the fight trying to explain the mechanics in intricate detail like any of it was remotely fucking complicated

Here is Lakshmi
>offtank maintain secondary aggro and move a bit to the side of MT when crosshair'd
>get all the adds low then kill the ones with the bubble
>if Lakshmi has purple glow pop Vril if an attack is going to hit you/an attack might possibly hit you/you don't know what attack she's doing

that's it

that's the entirety of lakshmex

>>383009587
That picture is from Tera, I liked the character creator for it and the combat but the questing is rough.

>>383009419
Wildstar had some of this. It was still the same shit but the actual dungeons and bosses play like higher level shit from other games. The game is dead though but the first few dungeons were AMAZING to say the least.

>>383009625
>>383009645
Fucking stop.

You have a general thread and even general threads in /v/. This thread is not a FFXIV thread, jesus.

>>383009587
There are only face sliders. In game you can get items that can increase your height (all the height increase is in your legs), thigh width and breast size (breast size only applies to certain costumes)

The character creator is okay but it's nothing impressive.

>>383009274
They've gotta learn somehow

>>383009709
Some of the xiv posters are ok, it's this shills that ruin it for everyone

>>383009727
well I didn't play tank to be a teacher

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>>383009334
That was legitimately my experiences with Tera. Gorgeous world though I hope the next installment improves.

>>383009565
Reapers are fun though and necros are literally everywhere now due to condi still being strong af
Here's my necro btw clipping panties

>>383009625
Not EU so I can't help in that regard, but I can say without a doubt, avoid /ffxivg/ like the fucking plague.

As for your other questions, Paladin is probably the best tank right now. Tank will be instantqueues for dungeons but it's probably easier to level as a DPS the first time around then instance-queue yourself to max later on. Summoner isn't in a great place right now.

>>383009709
>You have a general thread
LMAOing my butt off. Have you seen the general? It's HELL.

>>383009785
Then you're a shitty tank

>>383009709
Nigger is said the general didn't give me answers and currently it's on a circle kerk over lizardmen

>>383009679
You used to be able to level up very effectively just by killing BAMs, which is what I did when I first played back in like just after f2p in 2013

but they nerfed bams to be too easy sucking out all the fun, nerfed the xp they gave and buffed the fuck out of shitty questing.

i was and still am upset

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>guildhest with the dogs
>be BLM
>sprout tank and heal
>then a SAM
>I'm the only one putting the first three lights out
>I multi sleep the dogs and keep hitting the "boss"
>SAM only hits the dogs
>after he goes down, I AOE the fuck out of the dogs
>give my commendation to the tank because he was able to hold most dogs and didn't wake any of them up
>notice SAM got a commendation achievement
>I get 0 commendations

>>383009645
In my case it was just that I didn't know shit so was getting panicked, and I'm not a career tank so the concept of provoke > shirk just completely escaped me. But since the fight's exactly as simple as you described it, I eventually got it. Was mostly just growing increasingly annoyed at being treated with kid gloves because so many tanks take their rarity to mean they're also the most valuable and best.

>>383001864
>>383004204
WoW used Chinese time-card logins as subs.

>>383009625
>ffxiv general just kept ignoring me.
People avoid /xivg/ for a reason. If you question had nothing tyo do with ERP and circlejerks, they will always ignore it.

>What is a good eu server to start on?
>Is it worth it to join one of the new eu servers?
The one with incentives for new players. Omega is one of them, I think.
You get EXP, money and some special currency to trade for gear. There are veterans transferring to these servers just to get the rewards.
>What's a good tanking class and is it worth it to go tank?
Every tank is good, but Gladiator/Paladin is the best right now.
Tanks are the least popular role in the game, so they get tons of extra rewards and instant queues in most content.
>Is conjurer then later summoner usefull?
Conjurer becomes White Mage, a healer. Arcanist becomes either Scholar (healer) or Summoner (DPS).
They are all fine for different reasons.

>>383008958
Tried this, few times even and same thing happened with it as happened to me with wow. Couldn't stay invested long to get to dungeons, or anything beyond few earliest levels and areas.

Not sure why (but I have my theories) but Final Fantasy XIV is the only mmo that managed to present itself in such a way that I was able to stick over the beginning and get really into the game.

>>383006114
Well fuck, know the artist?

>>383009836
>out of all the people in the party it is specifically the tank's role to teach people how to play

according to what?
Also I will likely never get matched up/remember the people I duty find with so attempting to improve them is a waste of time

>>383010008
I don't know, you might just actually be a weeb.
FFXIV early game is a lot slower and more boring than pretty much any other MMO out there.

>>383009806
Ok thanks but what's a good starting class for paladins then? Marauder or gladiator?

>>383009709
>You have a general thread
There is no XIV general on /vg/ or /v/ right now.
The one called /xivg/ is a bootleg discord for ERP sessions.

Is TERA still alive? the combat gameplay seem good.

>>383010120
To unlock paladin you need gladiator at 30 and marauder at 15.

So gladiator

>>383009949
>provoke > shirk

If the aim is to stay solidly in second aggro then always shirk then provoke

>>383009018
>WHM pulls additional groups.
>Let them die and then kick them after the second boss just to waste as much of their time as I can.

Sure is nice doing dungeons with other people, hope you enjoy going through another half of dungeon for being a faggot.

>>383010120
There is no "good starting class" for jobs. You NEED to play as gladiator to become a paladin.
Marauder becomes Warrior.

>>383004751
What broken class you choose?

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>people trying to talk about mmos in general
>ffxiv fags literally take up half the thread

because the million general threads you get on multiple boards aren't enough

>>383010219
>gladiator at 30 and marauder at 15.
They changed that, you just need Gladiator at 30 to unlock the job quest.

>>383010120
>>383010219
They've removed cross-class and the requirement to level an alternate class to get anything for a job, so you can just start as Gladiator and go right to Paladin at 30.

>>383010224
I do that the first time just to make sure I'm #2, after that we're usually so far ahead I provoke > shirk to make sure that if the MT's in DPS stance as well I don't have any chance of accidentally overtaking them.

>>383010098
I think it's much more about story, not it's quality, but how it's presented and thrown at your face.
It has cutsenes and dialogue boxes it's in your face with all that.

In wow, when you pick up a quest you get one box where the rewards and objectives are there big and clear and then the lore stuff is tucked there as a tiny 5pixel font wall of text.

Rift I guess was bit better, with it's opening segment being a thing, but after getting to the actual game world it kinda lost it's momentum for me too.

>>383010217
it still gets updates and there is a massive gear revamp coming some time in the distant future (about to come out in the korean version)

but the NA publisher fucking sucks, the servers have been suffering from massive lag spikes and the assholes who run it have let the game stagnate while banning players who actually made useful QoL mods.

It's a real shitshow, but the combat is fun.

>>383009990
Thanks for the help. Guess I'm choosing omega or lous... something. Any opinions on the difference between these 2 servers?

>>383010278
Good thing the mods are deleting/autosaging those threads so we can hang out with our friends in this thread, huh?

>>383010278
>people trying to talk about mmos
You certainly aren't one of them, since you prefer to bitch about it instead of starting a discussion or replying to one of the non-XIV ones.

>>383010353
Wow ok, why did they remove it? Was looking at a steam guide for classes and I guess it was outdated.

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>>383010259
>kick them
literally for what purpose? does it upset you that the party isn't dancing to your tune as the big boy tank?

if a WHM pulls more enemies and no one dies then they've just made the run go faster because of aoe spam.

>enjoy getting kicked
No one gets kicked on Tonberry/jap data centers for anything besides going afk/offline even if you do some real dumb shit or are mind blowingly awful at your role

>>383009419
GW2

>>383007994
A true vet.

>>383010075
Your job is to lead the party. You can't properly lead if you can't even take the time out to explain why a player is doing something wrong.

I'm not sure if it's these games being easy as hell and solo-able or just me getting older but I find it a challenge to make friends nowadays. Probably the latter.

>>383010434
Omega is super full now, and might lose it's new server bonuses soon. Don't know about Luisuiaua, but I would assume it's fine and maybe little less congested.

>>383010217
A lot only use it for erp now, it still gets updates but it's just more and more dungeons really.

They rarely stray from those kinds of updates.

I'm only keeping an eye on the game with hope the ps4 and xbox versions releasing this year bring more changes to the pc version.

>>383010672
It's the games being easy.

There's very little reason to make friends. Dungeon finders, quests are soloable, anything but endgame content is trivial.

It's not you.

>>383010612
japs are supremely polite almost to a fault generally.

They also are extremely anti social and not very chatty.

it really is the best place to be

>>383010568
The class system was basically leftover from 1.0 and was basically meaningless so they streamlined it.

>>383010460
You cancerous faggots do that anyway.

>>383010672
Go back and play a vanilla wow ps or if you really want to see what it was like, project 1999 for everquest.

The games are now being intentionally designed to be more solo friendly.

>>383010612
>for what purpose
For pulling additional mobs and making the run less enjoyable. I might ask what makes a healer think they should dictate how to run a dungeon? If the rest of the party didn't agree with me, they wouldn't have gotten kicked.

Also, vote succeeds a lot on Primal. When faced between finding a new tank or getting a healer to instantly pop in, most people pick the tank.

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>>383005784

>>383010568
they removed crossclass in general, so i guess that they thought it didn't make sense any more

i thought it added some neat flavour but idk

>>383010568
They removed it because it used to be part of the old cross-class system. Since they reworked that (now you get all you need in one class/job), they also removed the extra requirement.
Steam guides are all outdated. Either use Eorzea Database and the official Job Guide (both on the official FFXIV site, Lodestone), or some fan-made wikis/databases (gamerescape and xivdb are almost always up-to-date, the actual wiki is a mixed bag).

>>383010853
The character you are portraying is spot on the worst kind of tank.

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>>383003828
Every single game genre is dead desu

>>383010672
All of the above actually. Yes games are designed differently, but also you're getting older and being thrown into new social environments is harder for you to cope with, thus making friends harder.

>>383010852
This.

Even without saying a word, you'll get into parties in Vanilla just to quest.

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>>383010670
the tanks job is to hold aggro and mitigate damage

they are the first to engage enemies because that is the optimal way to solidify aggro

It is everyone's job to make sure the party is playing effectively and so it is specifically no role's job to do it

>>383010853
>making the run less enjoyable
I'd like to see you justify this.

>>383011124
Like I said, you're a shitty tank

>>383010957
No, the worst kind of player is the one who pulls a shit ton of groups and gets mad when they can't heal through everything and blames the tank for dying with half a dozen cooldowns popped because they can't heal through more than 5 mobs. These are the kinds of people who shit up runs because they think they're better than they are and blame everyone else when failure strikes.

It's the same kind of people who queue up for random trials and instead of staying to completion, drop after the first wipe, or the same kind of people who refuse to group with new players because they only care about their own farming speed. True cancer of the game.

>>383010702
How will I know if there isn't a new server bonus anymore? Would be neat to get it.

>>383007896
I play lala and I /poke /wink at every cute/tall girls.

>>383011226
Still not seeing a reason that makes the tank specifically the one to handle teaching

>>383011306
It goes away once population gets in line with other servers. So it might disappear in a month or it might hold it for a year.

>>383011306
Look at SE's FFXIV blog.
The bonuses are still applicable for both omega and Luisui, but they have said that they might drop them as at least Omega is way too popular now.

>>383011317
you're a fag, stop doing that.

>>383011409
Not him, but it's usually tradition, nothing more. Any player can be the group leader/teacher.

Tanks were always relatively in demand and held the most responsibility in old MMO groups, so most had a lot of experience in content, which meant they were best suited for explaining things to everyone else. In my guild, even after I switched to DPS though, I was still the one expected to explain fights and call out failure.

>>383011418
>>383011468
I see but is there an indication of the bonuses or will I only see it after I join the server?
Any specific language joining these servers or is it mostly english speakers?

>>383011537
Why so mad? Jealousy?

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I have to boost my ego a bit more. Just look at these numbers that others output.
People should really start parsing so they can see just how bad they are.

>>383011264
>player pulls too many enemies and makes the tank die
i knew you were going to do this
see >>383010612
>if a WHM pulls more enemies and no one dies
no one dies being the key phrase here my friend
>but they might
if you survive the first triple/whatever pull then it's fair to say you'll survive the rest of the triple/quadruple/whatever pulls

>>383011704
yeah i'm jealous that the autistic midget race is living up to their stereotype as being an annoying autistic midget
lalas are annoying enough to be around without retards like you playing up "haha im so small and WHACKY" angle even further

>>383011647
The game might point those out as preferred servers when it makes you pick a server. Also I would assume they are pretty multilinqual. On omega I see mostly English and some shouting in French and German mostly scouting guild members. Also most instanced content can and will be done cross sever.

>>383011723
what game
I started using a meter for another mmo and I was surprised at how little I was doing, but within a week it drastically improved due to fixing some traits desu
Games should come with it by default though

>>383011752
Even if you over pull, which I've seen happen on plenty of runs I've been on, the person who pulls goes "Sorry I'll dial it back a bit" and then you head back in and keep going.

Which is infinitely better than always making the smallest possible pull and wasting everyone's time by making the run as boring as possible.

>>383007891
indeed

>>383011409
The tank is the one who dictates how a run is done. They're in charge of pulls and pacing, so if they see someone not matching their pace or having trouble understanding something then they need to say something. Not to say other players can't say something, but the tank is most suited to explaining because they're basically the one in charge of the run, and also because the DPS/healer have to listen or die for their trouble. Everyone SHOULD say something, but the tank gets the point across since most people who would even need things explained to them won't listen unless they're forced to.

>>383011910
Yes, the thing every game needs is more bullying of people for their unoptimal dps.

>>383011990
M8, people are going to bully regardless, it's MUCH better they're bullying people about DPS than the alternatives. Suffering through early GW2 where people were ACTUALLY kicking people from groups without high enough achievement points was a fucking riot.

>>383011864
Ok thanks for the help

>>383009118
The game is hot garbage once you leveled a character to max, fuck off.

>>383011752
>i knew you were going to do this
Because it's a legit complaint, and often happens.

>if you survive the first triple/whatever pull then it's fair to say you'll survive the rest of the triple/quadruple/whatever pulls

Doubtful that will always be the case, it simply takes a single lapse in judgement of the healer or a slow DPS to have things start breaking down, wasting everyone's time. Why make the run more risky than it already is? To shave off a minute or two in a sub-15 minute dungeon? What about the time that gets added on when someone fails?

People are certainly welcome to leave if they don't like the pacing, or if they had any sort of connections, form a group of known people to do dungeons with like any FC out there. It's really the reason why I can dictate the pace of the dungeon, since when I don't have a full group, I still have one or two likeminded people who will call out belligerent players in the same way.

>>383009118
>gw2
>fun
lol

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>those people recommending GW2, WoW or ESO

>>383012168
>2012 opinions

>>383012410
They're genuinely good for their roles in the market though XIVkun. Although there's some overlap in ESO/GW2, but one caters more to ES fans obviously which is a great thing for them.

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>>383011990
>games with official way to track your dps
>[dps class] you are only doing X amount of damage that's pretty shit /kicked
>games with no official way to track your dps (and so only unofficial ways which there always are)
>/kicked with no feedback because they're not allowed to say they were doing low damage because then that player is allowed to report them for using unauthorized add ons

hmm

>>383012226
>why make the dungeon more risky
do you even need to ask

gotta go fast

>>383012410
>being weirded out about people having bad taste in a thread almost entirely about FFXIV

It's like going to pride and being surprised about gays.

>>383012226
>Why make the run more risky than it already is?
To make things more interesting. That's my no.1 reason for big pulls. Boring is not fun.

>>383012410
>recommending mmo's at all

hey kids does anyone remember ffxi?
>mfw you had one of the few ridill on the server

>>383012549
In an mmo thread. What a huge surprice.

>>383012531
FFXIV, despite its flaws, is miles and miles above garbage like GW2, ESO or BDO though.

>>383012486
>They're genuinely good for their roles in the market though
>it's good if you enjoy shit!

Don't pretend people hate ESO and GW2 because they're some kinda obscure niche market you fat faggot.

>>383012703

No, it really is not. Like at all. Unless you are into single player grinding games, particularily enjoy the awful art or the awful writting because they hit your fancy, or you just want to play WoW but are too much of a hipster to actually play WoW.

>>383012675
So in crack thread you recommend crack?

>>383012545
I don't find any additional entertainment from big pulls, I find the most entertainment from small, methodical pulls. That puts us at odds, sadly, in which someone will lose out.

I had the most fun when pulls had some sort of thought to their design, such a mob with a tankbuster that required stunning so you don't get hit with several, or a healer mob that would slow everything down if you didn't CC them. If Yoshida had any brains, he'd include mobs that made bigger pulls exponentially harder instead of simply gating each section of the dungeon so that organized, preformed groups could still do large pulls while pubs would have to stick to one at a time.

>>383011910
professionalization is killing MMORPGs and all games really

>>383012486
But GW2 got even worse as time went on and this is coming from someone who actually enjoys the game.

>>383012703
It's really not. You're playing WoW: Weeb edition.

Well, maybe BDO, but BDO is complete garbage.

>>383012817
They're the only MMOs that actually have enjoyable levelling journeys in comparison to the likes of XIV where you're pretty much just spam clicking to skip dialogue bubbles when you aren't killing 10 enemies for a quest and watching emotionless dolls reacting in cinematics.
>you fat faggot.
no projecterino pls

>>383012886
>>383012959
WoW is still better than GW2, ESO and BDO. Not really a good argument you're making there.

>>383012817

I am all for hating on GW2 and ESO, but the former has more players than FFXIV and the latter is just like one third away. So I am not sure what you want to stick to when you say "people hate it".

>>383012886
Most accurate post in this entire thread. And this is coming from a guy who dislikes all those games.

>>383012921
>the addition of raids, elites, automated tournaments, wardrobe, and reward tracks in all modes made the game worse
and this is coming from somebody who uninstalled

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>that tranny faggot again defending GW2 and other garbage games while also falseflagging against FFXIV

Every single thread.

>>383013070

Being better than rock bottom garbage doesn't make you a good thing. It just makes you better than rock bottom garbage.
And given the very fine, fine line between WoW and rock bottom garbage; it's not saying a lot.

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>>383012909
>i enjoy small, methodical pulls for [reasons]
>unfortunately these [reasons] are not used in FFXIV which means there is little to no benefit to doing them
>but i still do small pulls

?

???

>>383013070
>WoW is still better than GW2, ESO and BDO
>this is how contrarian /v/ is now

>>383013243
Still better, faggot.

>>383010278

>talk about mmos in general
>NO GO BACK TO XIVG

Go back to wowg/gwg/etc then.

so if you had to pick one would it be wow, ffxiv, or eso

>>383011987
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>>383012909
>I'm in charge because I'm a tank
I thought this autistic 12y/o mentality was a fucking meme but here it is on full display.
Any party with half a brain would eject your ass for a tank who isn't an egotistic shitter who talks big but does baby pulls.

>such a mob with a tankbuster that required stunning so you don't get hit
Yeah that's why I had Leg Sweep on my bar, faggot.

>or a healer mob that would slow everything down if you didn't CC them
Healer and summoner mobs already exist???

>>383013338
WoW is shit but the other ones are pretty much unplayable (except exploration in GW2) unless you have down syndrome.

>>383013348
tbqhwyf this thread shouldn't exist because they all have generals to discuss their favorite abysmal money laundering scheme

>>383013227

Aw, look. FXIVkun is getting buttmad people are remarking his 250K subs game is bad.
Please, keep your voice down! He gets startled easy.

>>383013390
All three are pretty bad, at least WoW's gameplay is tolerable, though.

The other two are like watching paint dry.

>>383013390
If I really had to choose between those I'd go with FFXIV. It's a better version of WoW and ESO is unbelievably bad even for typically low MMO standards.

>>383013340

Shooting yourself in the head would also be better than the alternative, so you may as well just go do that.

>>383013443
They're all playable honestly though. But no single person enjoys all of those games because they play very differently. Which is why even having this discussion over which is better is utterly pointless. Someone who loves ESO isn't going to love BDO because of that huge uphill grind for example. Someone looking for hardcore grind isn't going to like GW2, etc.

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>>383003828
>wanted to give Black Desert a go
>IP blocked
RIP

>>383013390
ESO has no subscription so superior cost benefit.

>>383013676
You're not missing much. It's an AFK, single player world management game pretending to be an MMO.

>FFXIV. It's a better version of WoW
xivkun is still at it!

>>383013587
>a better version of WoW
>1/10th of the content
>1/20th of the community
>Somehow worse writting
>Turboweeb, soulless art direction
>Time gated everything
>Literally cero balance between classes, and the developers don't give a rat's ass
>top kek pvp


Look at him. Look at him, and laugh!

>>383013390
XIV since the presentation is vastly better and it's a game designed to not subject you to any sort of autistic nolife grind.

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>>383013797
>everyone in this thread is one poster!
>meanwhile I give myself away as being the same dude over and over again

>>383013871
>not to subject you to any sort of autistic nolife grind

...Have you even played the game? It's slower and grindier than the other two.

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rly u activate makes cashews

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>>383013434

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>the blizzdrones arrived

Good thing the thread is almost over anyway.

>>383013979
lmao

people are just having too much fun playing the game ;^)

>>383013871

You mean barring the +600 storyline missions in forced single player unless you pay to skip them?
Or do you mean barring having to repeat the exact same dungeons, in the exact same manner, for every single job you want to level, with no alternatives?
Or do you mean excluding beastman quests, all of which are not only time gated, but the exact same tasks for month's length of repeating them?
Or do you mean excluding the crafting leveling and material gathering, which may very well take the most out of all game's craftings out there?

is it too late to try wow for the first time

feel like it might be

>>383014127
they sure are!
also the second funniest thing is how lineage remains still so relevant

>>383014239
No, but it's a relative uphill battle this late into the game's life.

>>383013971
Why do you think people stutter sub the game? Because it requires zero dedication and has constant catch up mechanisms.
I """"""""grinded"""""""" most of the endgame SB gear in 2 days. Yes, the weekly shit will take longer, but it doesn't require nolife levels of dedication.

>>383014239
Not really, no. Leveling is kinda shit, though.

>>383014079
>someone pointed out my game's jarring flaws!
>must be them haters >:((

>>383014079
epic image redditor

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>>383014127
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>>383014485
Hm, somethings going on here, but I'm not sure...

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>>383013783
I wouldn't mind a "single player world management game" since it comes with housing, shit to collect and action combat (even if it is a typical bootleg-tier devil may cry clone), they are a nice distraction. AFK shit is a big con, though (not that it matters anymore). Back to waiting for the next Y Online, I guess.

>>383014528
>being this autistic

damn, your shit game being less played than a dying, nearly two decade old game must really make you upset

don't you have potd to go run for the 100th time? so much fun to be had!

>>383014528

Time for bed, XIV-kun! You'll be tired for beastman quest 9235892729 otherwise!

>>383014160
>+600 storyline missions in forced single player unless you pay to skip them
Skip them for what? I'm not in a rush.

>having to repeat [most exp efficient thing] to level?
Like every MMO ever.

>beastman quests
Optional content.

You got me on the crafting.

>>383014871
My favorite part about mmo threads is the numerous ways people bully xivkun tbqhwyf

>>383014160
>with no alternatives?
PvP, PotD and normal dungeons are all viable ways of getting exp now. Sidequests are less efficient, but can be change of pace and contain fun characters, lore or sidestories. Also some people have gotten use out of fates too. Also hunts.

>>383013434
Face it, it's up to the tank to dictate the flow of the dungeon by sheer mechanics. If they don't do their job, mobs run amok and kill people, slowing the entire dungeon down. DPS can pull extra targets, but have no control over them once they're running about. Healers have control over who lives and dies, but usually can't withstand more than a mob or two beating on them for very long.

I mean, what's the rest of the group going to do about it? Kick a class that takes a good 20 minutes to find a replacement for or suck it up and finish the dungeon? You don't have any real ability to change that within the flow of the game itself beyond a votekick.

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>>383015121
>those post times

Really activated my almonds.

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>>383014239
most private servers dont work properly,90% of the quests are fucked up,and well i think that paying for subscription for wow in 2017 isnt a really good idea so yeah

>>383015546
If "slowing the entire dungeon down" is part of the "they don't do their job" package then making unnecessarily small pulls is also not doing your job.

>>383015497

None of the tasks are neither fun, nor effective. They are viable at a 1/3rd of the output, and repetitive as all fuck. Especially FATEs. It's like a cancer-starved version of GW2's events, which is saying a lot given how abysmally terrible it was to do event trains on GW2.

>>383015674
this isn't /xivg/ anon people aren't spamming replies while waiting for that GCD

>>383015674
>FXIV poster
>Retarded enough to post about samefagging without knowing how to check for IPs

Seems about right, really.

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>>383015879

>>383015857
>They are viable at a 1/3rd of the output
Except one dungeon run gives you half a level and PvP gives more exp than PotD after lv59??????

How come high action MMO's like TERA, Blade & Soul, Vindictus never took off like PSO did? PSO isn't really "high" action but I think it's like the original of this type of game but none of it's successors accomplished shit.

>>383004473
Not in the west. You get the equivalent of an hour of farming for 40 dollars. It's not pay to win at all.

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I've been having the MMO itch as well, and I tried to get back into FFXIV with SB and just couldn't. The game feels so damn dull, it does absolutely nothing for me. When I play all I think about is other shit I could be playing.

WoW is just...... I don't know. You know what you're getting when you play wow, but it isn't great, just super streamlined homogenized content and game play. Its good for a few weeks to check out the new content, and that is it.

BDO is okay. But once you realize it the gap between a relatively fresh player (a few months of playing), and a veteran (played since or around launch) is as big as EVE, it kind of demoralizes you. The game provides absolutely no opportunity to catch up in any meaningful way aside from levels. Which mean absolutely nothing when the guy with full boss gear will obliterate you in 2 seconds to save his spot. You're looking at 6+ months or more of daily committed grinding to do be able to handle anyone in that game.

Does anyone know how the revamped Secret World is?

>>383016023
They did take off though. They're all relatively popular. B&S is one of ncsoft's big money makers for example.