Metal Gear Solid V

>>382997929
Having to limit themselves and cut a bunch of ideas so the game would work on PS360 which took a lot of time just to downscale it for the previous gen.

Basically, it's consoles fault, as usual. Should have been a PC only game.

>>382997929
Japanese autism in the workplace.

>>382997929
Shit game made by a shit developer who has never had any idea of how to make proper videogames.
Well, it killed MGS, so I guess not everything is bad.

>>382997929
It all

Amazingly fun and rewarding gameplay, amazing graphics and as a hiker amazing looking environments.

Well MGS series hasn't been good since 4, the mistake was continuing to shove in big boss fanwankery to make him not a villain.

>>382997929
Kojima is a hack, Konami is only a half of a problem

>>382998274
This. The vocal Metal Gear fans aren't used to good gameplay, they just want cutscenes.

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>>382997929
Almost nothing, imagine if it went the revenge of the sith route.

>>382998694
RotS was good though. A better directed movie than Kojima could ever hope to create in his lifetime.

>>382998837
>RotS was good though
Yeah, according to reddit.
The only good thing about that movie is that it ended the prequel cancer.

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>>382998837

>>382998907
>knowing what reddit thinks
You should go back.

100%'ed pc
replaying on xbone1
it's pretty good

>>382999015
>replaying on xbone1

For what purpose?

>>382997929
It didn't ignore PW's existence
This game was absolute trash but for some reason they decided that it would be good to expand on the mission-based nonsense as well as its shitty story and characters
At least they didn't bring back the stupid fucking tank/heli/whatever fights because those were fucking moronic

>>382999098
He probably wants to do the FOB infiltration stuff without cheaters.

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konami being cucks to everyone

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>MGS1
>classic
>perfect balance of gameplay and story

>MGS2
>gameplay improved but not implemented well
>increased focus on story

>MGS3
>gameplay improved
>decreased focus on story
>perfect balance of gameplay and story

>MGS4
>gameplay improved but not implemented well
>increased focus on story

>MGSV
>gameplay improved but not implemented well
>decreased focus on story

There is a reason why 1 and 3 are usually the fan favorite

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MGS3 is probably the worst game ever made tbqh.

>>382997929
They made a Metal Gear game.

>>383000424
Cute feet.

>>382998028
Neck yourself.

>>382999015
>owning a meme console
>when you already own a PC
WEW

>>383001215
i own a ps4, wii, wiiu, ps3 and xb360
and a bunch of handhelds too

what's it like being a poorfag?

>>382997929
Kojima is a hack and scrapped the game multiple times during development.
As much as Konami is shit, every company in the world would have enough of him and forced him to release the fucking game already.

>>383001534
everything in all of the trailers ended up in the game though
you're probably thinking of mgs4 where the early trailers looked absolutely nothing like the final game

>>383000424
>No Metal Gear 6 with a story so long and convoluted that it makes 4 feel well told
I'm really sad, 4 might not be a great game but it's one game I remember the most. Also the Boss Fights were stellar.

>>383000424
>>increased focus on story

and the story sucked

>>382997929
Everything.

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>>382997929
As much as I hated the plot it's still a great sneaking game.
I should never have played it on consoles though, the mods makes the gameplay so much better, pc master race though, how do I antialiasing

>>383003201
This is objectively wrong.

>>383007001
whos the qt

Unironically, no cutscenes

>>383007001
where can I find mods? any good sites?

>>383007309
Nexus

>>383007309
Nexus. Infinite Heaven is a must have.

>>383007367
>>383007404
Thank you!

>>382997929
nothing went wrong faggots, it's an amazing game you can beat with infinite playstyles and also has a good modding scene. MGSfags are the worst, they hate video GAMES

It fell for the open world meme, it could've been great with tighter level design but what we've got is 2 massive maps with a whole load of fuck all to them, I mean what can you do there really just fuck around or complete side op #78929, don't get me wrong though fucking around can be pretty fun but it could've just as well been an added bonus or whatever for completing the game or something like the tommy gun and mafia suit for RE4 for instance and also the severe lack of story and what we've got was pretty stupid anyways, maybe they couldn't pay kiefer for more than a few lines or something who knows but it really needed it to be more memorable to me

>>383007001
what's the hair mod? I haven't found anything on nexus, my waifus stay with their ugly default hair :(

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>>383000424
I wanna fug Laci.

>>382997929
should have stop the series at 3

>>383009291
Open world is great, it give you freedom to choose from which point you strike and drifting around with D-Walker while fultoning everything with the ballista listening to Take on Me is a lot of fun.
Seriously take off your nostalgia googles and replay MGS2 and tell me with a straight face those boring corridors are good level design.

>>383010503
MGS3 and even GZ had better level design.

Kojima is a hack, which 4 already proved.

>>383010798
Agree, but MGSV is still good and receive too much hate.

>>383010503
You don't need open world for that. All you need is the base and about 100m surrounding it, similar to GZ. Creating the barren wasteland between bases just soaked up dev time and resources that would've been put to better use elsewhere. It also severely limited where the story could go because essentially all of it had to be contained within those two maps. I've said it a hundred times - the game would have been MUCH better off having 30 GZ-sized maps.

>>383011475
I don't think they wasted too much time on the wastelands, if I'm not mistaken those should be auto generated with only minimal manual intervention.

>>383011475
>>383011857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCs0xxUS5as
Wastelands are easy to makes, open world is not the problem.

>>383012018
All they had to do was release an editor.

>>383011857
>>383012018
If it took more than zero time, they spent too much and it would have been better spent making other small levels. MB was another complete waste, though I think it pretty much got scrapped when Konami forced the release and getting it to work with 360 and ps3 was probably not possible.

Then there are the other debatable time wasters like plant and animal collection. People new to the series probably get a kick out of this but I doubt any long time fans of the series are happy with the tradeoff.

>>382998028
>believing the previous gen meme

>>383013612
>plant and animal collection
MGS3 had these too.

>>382998028
You were right up until that stupid ass second sentence. Dev time was squandered in a variety of ways on both Kojima AND Konami's part and it lead to disaster. Konami FORCING Fox engine to work with the previous generation of consoles in the middle of its development was indeed one of these retarded decisions that wound up eating up far too much dev time.

That doesn't mean it should have been PC only, you pathetic elitist platformwarbaby.

>>383003201
One of the composers who made OST to MGSV said that once she made the whole soundtrack, Kojima suddenly decided that this is not it (even though previously had no problems) and told to remove it completely. And shit like that happened with most parts of the game.

>>383013875
It was part of the survival mechanic and not autistic collection.

MGSV lacked a lot of the feeling and vibes that made MGS what it was. That's not to say that it wasn't an enjoyable game; it just felt soulless a lot of the time.

>>383014549
Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel.

Basically no boss fights, characters seemed flat, no indoor sneaking. It was missing most of the things I loved about the series.

>>383013875
MGS3 wasn't as blatantly unfinished as TPP, either.

>>382997929

Open world

chapter 3

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>no interiors
>almost empty world
>lack of unique bosses
>made by hideo kojima roll credits every 15 minutes
>we have a story so we better tell it on tapes instead of showing it
>story is a shitfest look at these cool lighting effects on my blade in slow motion and my meaningless one liners

I don't get why people think V has good gameplay. It has good control of main character, but the gameplay is repetitive shit and you have to constantly do self-imposing challenges (like not using tranq) just to make it interesting.

>>382997929
I think the biggest problem with the game for me (other than it not being finished) was most of the cutscenes going through audio tapes. It was a great way to present you with missions but it made Snake just feel like an observer when he was supposed to be running the show. I think he had maybe ten minutes of dialogue in the whole game.

>>383014929
Inb4 faggots try to argue it isn't open world

>>383000424
>mgs3
>decreased focus on the story

Oh shit nigger what are you doing that's so wrong. The whole last third of that game is nothing but cutscenes and boss battles, and the boss battles are so short compared to the multiple villain monologues.

>>383014084
[CITATION NEEDED, AARON]

>>382999098
XBone is the closest to nuclear disarmament, so he's probably going for that.

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>>382998028
>a game in series that has always been made for console should've been a PC exclusive

>>383000424
>>MGS3
>>gameplay improved
>>decreased focus on story
kek

>>382997929
open world. remember that checkpoint you just saw a minute ago? well here's another one with no differences.

>>383015701
???

>>382997929
Why are all the linear segments the best part of the game?

>>383017884
the post is full of shit

>>383018102
>walking down a hallway at a snails pace while kaz blabs on about nothing
>best part of the game

>>383018629
>kaz tells me to shoot the infected
>shoot one
>GAME OVER "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?"
???????????

MGSV has objectively the worst cast, just a sausage fest where everyone has the same generic gruff voice and non-characters like Quiet and Psycho Mantis

>>383019530
>snake, kaz, ocelot in a room
>mumble mumble mumble nukes

>>383021141
>solid snake and liquid in a room
>mumble mumble mumble genes

>>382998907

i'll never understand the vehement hate for lucas by people who perpetuate that star wars was their childhood despite them 9/10 times being born closer to the prequels than the originals.

nice redditlettermedia opinion though, prequel setting is GOAT, just used way too much CG

burned the candle at both ends. biggest offender is lack of indoor stealth sections. you finally get to a new one then realise the same level is your template for the next 20 missions

Does Ocelot even have SAAs in V?
Every time I see him unholster his guns they are Matebas. Was this something to do with gun licenceing,or Kojimas retardation?

>>382997929

Too ambitious.
Unreachable goals due to lack of time and development issues and dramas.

It is a great game. Gameplay wise perfect.
It just feels incomplete because it is incomplete

>>383021541
Lucas is a terrible director and the prequels are shit, that's a fact.

>>383021261
>Liquid Snake
>British Accent
>mumbling
Yeah nah m8, MGS1 also has the rest of FOXHOUND, Snake's codec team, Meryl and Otacon for variety. In MGSV you're stuck with a handful of mopey cunts for about 60 hours

>>383022658
>Lucas is a terrible director
>THX 1138
>American Graffiti
>Star Wars (1977)
Always a laugh when /v/irgins try to talk film

>>383023018
And that's it.

All 45 of the 50 missions consist of fultoning/killing an NPC

>>382998837
I haven't had a hearty kek this week until I read your post. Thanks Anon.

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>>383023018
>any of that shit
>good

>>383023116
>your little student film gets critically lauded by respected directors worldwide
>second film is one of the most successful films in the decade it came out
>third one of the most successful films EVER
>become tired of directing so become a producer
>decades later sell it all for 4 billion so you can retire
Yeah his career really went to shit

>>383023380
The prequels were successes for the same reason TFA did, it has Star Wars name on it.
When most of your movies are garbage then no, you are not a good director.

>>383023295
>shitting on george lucas using a hideo kojima reaction image
sweet irony

Worry not Kojima will redeem himself with his next game, which is another MGS title.

>>383023380
So Lucas is the perfect equivalent of Kojima in movie form.

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>>383023629
pretty much yeah, a once promising director/developer who became an obsessive control freak who was also a prisoner to his IP

>>383023914
>that webm
Was it autism?

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>>383023956
He definitely has legit autism

>>383021541
ANAKIN YOURE BREAKING MY HEART.

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>mfw I used my success to remain independent for my entire career and never had to answer to a corporation like Konami

>>383007404
>infinite heaven

didn't even realise MGSV modding was a thing. this has persuaded me to reinstall, ty

>>382997929
They fired the mastermind Kojima

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>>383024289
>implying the OT or TFA doesn't have terrible dialogue
It wouldn't be Star Wars without it

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DON'TUH FORGETTU TO PREORDUH DEASSU STURANDINGUH

>>383021921
It was obvious in GZ that something was off when you couldn't go into the big building Paz was near. It felt more like a backdrop than anything. I would have enjoyed TPP more if it had more interiors, but I guess we did get 5 games of that.

I feel like this game went out of its way to circumvent fans expectations as much as possible, almost to a spiteful degree. Kojima has been known to show disdain of his fanbase for quite a while.

>>383024609
The lack of interiors was bizarre, The camera when inside was terrible as well
>see code talkers mansion
>think I'm in for a treat
>He's right next to the front door

>>382998467
No, we're used to good fucking games and this wasn't.

>>382998028
This.

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Tell me about Skull Face, Why does he wear the mask?

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>we were meant to feel emotional for killing a bunch of nameless, comic-relief npcs

>Figure out the "twist" at the start of the game
>Villian is shit
>Almost no development in terms of characters
>No codac shit
>MB is useless
>Real time to upgrade shit
>"Opening Credits" kill all the surprise when you know that the Skulls are coming
>Africa was shit
>GZ is better in almost everyway
>Thought the game was going to be about the downfall of Big Boss, instead it was a fanboy taking his place to get killed later on
I guess that the main thing is that this game had so much potential to be one of the best games ever

>>383024904
Mgs 4 wasn't even a game. Peace walker was an abomination to the series. Be thankful you actually got gameplay with this one and closure. Because if you had gotten the silent hill treatment you'd be bitching about how wronged you are by konami, which I'm sure you're doing anyway.

>>382997929
>What went wrong?

Nothing, it's a great game. I believe most of the things people were -rightfully- annoyed with were creative decisions by Kojima for his "Phantom Pain" theme.

>>383013875
Yeah, but it didn't suck.

>>383025316
The buildup and hype was so much better than the game, something about it sparked everyone's imagination except for Kojima's

>>383025501
>the silent hill treatment
>3 good games followed by a load of shit
So what happened to Metal Gear?

>>383025524
It did suck, but it at least served a purpose to the gameplay. I can put up with tedious bullshit when it keeps snake healthy, fixes my aim, and doesn't alert guards if I don't ignore it. But it's still tedious bullshit.

>>383025316
>>383025545
Actually playing Ground Zeroes is what killed my hype for TPP, that's when I cancelled my preorder.
And of course, I was right.
Then again, the MGS autismos were too blinded by le ebin trailers of epicness.

>>383000424
>MGS2
>gameplay improved but not implemented well

VR missions alone prove the gameplay is fucking tight, and the definitive evolution of what MG2 and MGS1 laid the foundations for.

MGS3 didn't even improve gameplay, it just went another direction altogether.

We got Peace Walker 2 instead of a main entry in the series

>>383018284
>He doesn't know about the Fox anon
Why am I not surprised. Fuck off somewhere with your platform-war bullshit, people are actually discussing MGS here.

>>383026041
I was always fond of Snake Tales myself

>>383025642
Not at all. For as much shit was shoveled into 4 it's production quality never faltered. That game felt great, looked great, stayed true to the series as much as it could despite the story going dull deviant art fan fiction. It has some interesting themes and gave snake as good of closure as you're gonna get from post trilogy kojima. Same with V, it may not have been what people wanted, and may even be unfinished, but the game has lots of strengths and there's so much impressive work done on the game, from everyone involved.

The silent hill games after 3 (I don't hate 4 but it doesn't hold a candle to the first 3) are just husks. Cheaply made zombie games that should never be mentioned in the same light as the team silent games.

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The main game was boring. It took all the fun out of the PW style and made it a chore. I didn't enjoy the main missions either. I ended up having more fun going from base to base and doing side missions. The open world itself was pretty empty too.

The story took all the stupid shit from MGS4 and made it worse. The writing is fucking god awful. The trailers put out a much better narrative. I also can't tell if this was done on purpose for Kojima. Not even M Night is this bad. I don't mind the smaller cutscenes, but theres a lot of dialog even during missions.

Better off just playing FC5 and RDR2.

>>383025501
Mgs4 was a game, and a better on than this. I actually regret playing this one, which is something I never expected to say about a metal gear game. I can't even comprehend why people enjoyed, much less autisticly fanboy over it like you are.

>>382997929
Everything except graphics and base gameplay. It is the best current example of why a story is important. With a great story or even a passable one it'd be GOAT.

This is the same thing that happened to Mass Effect. If it hadn't shit the bed in writing the trilogy would be praised. If Andromeda had given you a reason to give a fuck we'd overlook the awful animation.

Proof? Even at release Deus Ex was ugly and janky. We all gave it a pass for getting everything else perfect. VtMB is still a broken piece of fairly ugly shit with shitty skill use and it's a cult classic people replay every year because it builds a great world with a (mostly) compelling story.

>>383026689
Because I guess fanboying something means being an adult that can accept the good with the bad and not be a hyperbolizing faggot that can't get over the fact that he didn't get what he wanted. The game isn't perfect, but I had fun with it for what it was.

>>383026316
Me too, the fact you couldn't use the radar and had to rely to every last bit of equipment to not get caught made it very exciting. Stories were also top notch, apparently 100% Fukushima's work.

>>382997929

They didn't show any raep or enough child soldiers getting gunned down.

Kojima wanted this to be his Swan Song but his Japanese overlords only let him go so far.

So he spent a metric ton of their money on a sweet engine that will never be used again.

based Kojima

>>383027126
>apparently 100% Fukushima's work
It shows, classic espionage action rather than being bogged down by some lofty techno-philosophical nonsense

>>383026510
RDR2 isn't out, and Far Cry's problem is that it has Far Cry gameplay, it's absolute trash.
And RDR2 is not a military stealth game.

>The trailers put out a much better narrative
They don't put any narrative at all.
Only autismal videogame players could get hyped from trailers that literally don't say a thing about a game's plot just because it has a le ebin song in the background.

>>383026510
>The writing is fucking god awful
Welcome to videogames, writing has always and will always be fucking awful.

>Better off just playing FC5 and RDR2.
What the fuck do these games have to do with MGSV?
And all Far Cry games are legitimately bad videogames that no one should ever play.

>>383027339
>>383027126
Ah yes, Fukushima, /v/'s boogeyman even though literally no one knows a thing about him aside from the fact that he left after MGS3.

MGS has always been a piece of shit that has forced the pathetic and laughable idea that plot in videogame matters.
Dying is the only good thing MGS has done, and i'm very happy everyone who has ever worked on this franchise will never get anywhere, and I hope Death Stranding flops.

>>382997929
Open world

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1. Japs not understanding open-world games
2. Kojima caring more about his artsy fancy meta gimmicks than making a good videogame
3. Oppressive mismanagement from Konami

>>383027640
You're like 7 games too late anon. Mgs has already left its mark on the vidya world. Cinematic vidya is already a staple thanks to mgs.

>>383027339
>classic espionage action
Yeah, nothing more classic in espionage than trying to take pictures of a water monster near a cleaning plant, right, reddit?

>rather than being bogged down by some lofty techno-philosophical nonsense
And then you go on to praise the pretentious piece of shit that MGS2 also because of muh Fukushima.

I only have one question, this franchise is thankfully dead, so why doesn't the fanbase just die too?

>>383027640
>t. irl metal gear villain

>>383027370
You really have to have autism if you think MGSV is in any was a good story

>>383027932
Well, I hope Kojima is proud of ruining videogames.

>>383027979
I don't think videogames are capable of having decent writing altogether.
Any writer with a semblance of self respect will not even think about videogames.
This is the industry where talentless hacks incapable of making it in movies or books end up in.

>>383027640
There is a quote from a old game magazine where Kojima says something to the effect of "I don't have a writing staff, I write the scripts by myself. The only thing I don't write are the optional codes, which my assistant Mr Fukushima writes"

He is also credited with writing the fake book on shadow Moses in the mgs2 extras and the previous ops stuff in the menus. The dude is a fucking nobody.

>>383027979
If we're talking actual writing level? Yes, from a script standpoint it's the usual mgs nonsense. From a presentation standpoint it's awful, it's conveyed terribly.

>>383027979
Well, it's the same non-sensical, pretentious, depthless and meaningless garbage that MGS has always delivered.
A good story though?
Of course not, it's a fucking MGS game.

>>383027956
>mention the one joke mission
>completely misinterpret my comment
>has been butthurt over mgs2 for 16 years
lol

>>383028289
No, actually I played the entire franchise last year to see what all the fuzz was about.
It was a massive waste of time.
Props to MGS4 though, unlike MGSV, which suffered from being unfinished, MGS4 made me wish it wasn't finished so I would have endured less of that garbage.
And props to it's terrible dialogue, only a gook could think that's how people talk.

>>382997929
Open world meme killed it. All the linear levels (what few there were) were infinitely superior.

Game was unfinished.

/v/ ending up writing better fanfics than what actually happened in-game.

>>383028446
Oh, so you're an underage tryhard, gotcha!

>>383028840
So you have no actual arguments, good.
But yes Anon, I cried so hard at how Zero went back to ten then to one then to Cipher and then to one hundred again and then Big Boss took so long to die that I was almost wishing he just killed over already.

>>382997929
>Open world with bland and boring enviroments
>Plot with ADHD and autism
>Worst villain in the series
>Kiefer having less dialogue than GZ.
>Only character development made through the game its a horse face girl to bait neckbeards to buy the game.
>The truth AKA do the prologue again lmao
>Repetitive missions
>Retarded R&D time to develop high level stuff
>Giving a lot of lethal weapons in a game that is non-lethal oriented
>Worst soundtrack of the franchise.
>The backstory being told through tapes

Its a 4/10 with the only good thing being FOX engine.

>Kojima was taking too long! Konami had every right to force the game out!

They started building the fox engine in 2012, since that's when all their hiring applications for people with experience creating game engines went up. The game shipped in 2015. 3 years to create a new engine from scratch and build an open world game is much less time compared to other AAA studios. Hell that's as long as it took to make the old 10 hour linear mgs games. Red Dead took 5 years and it was built on the foundation of the gta4 engine.

The reason it feels like Kojima takes so long is because he announced the game like 3 months after starting development instead of 2 years like most games.

Konami wanted to switch to mobile games and forced the game out asap.

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you guys really want to know what went wrong? there wasn't enough quiet feet

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>>383026807
This desu senpai
"It looks good enough and runs well on consoles" is the only compliment I can give MGSV, and to a MGS game such a vapid and technical compliment is more like an insult.

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>The games were always shit now enjoy it

I'll never understand why the MGS fanbase gets a free pass on autistic fanbases

>>383029180
It's MGS, it was going to be a disaster one way or another.
Just hope Survive finally kills this rotten franchise.

>>383029204
who are you quoting?

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>>383028929
Wew lad, you are deeply butthurt, So I'm guessing that u didn't rike the ruse?

>>383029442
No, I didn't.
In fact, I can't remember a single redeemable feature in these games.
The gameplay was clunky, the way camera worked in the first three was retarded, and the story is just terrible.

>>383029108
I wouldn't mind a pudgier Quiet.

>>383028106
Nah, dude did more than just that. For MGS1 he did tons of camera work, scripting and setting research/design. Not to mention he wrote/directed the entirety of Ghost Babel. In MGS2 he took care of most codec convos, and some of the main story as a joint effort, along with the Nastasha book (you should read it, it's pretty good). Why would you need your mere writing assistant in a research trip to New York? And yet all the big ones, Kojima, Shinkawa, Fukushima himself, Korekado, and obviously Scott Dolph all got there. Shuyo Murata, who only wrote the story about the tuna guy in MGS2, went later to work on all the following games, and his style is super noticeable. He was also going to design his own game, like Fukushima did with GB, but was canned by Konami. Assistant writer is not a desk job.

>>383029681
This

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>>383029442
>u didn't rike the ruse?
>>383029635
>No, I didn't.
RICED

I thought it was good

>>383026959
Fanboying is when you not only mindlessly defend something you like but when you lash out at people who criticize it it.
I really don't care about this game or the controversy surrounding it. I'm just a little surprised by how desperately its fan are trying to defend it.

>>383028981
Wrong. Development started right after Peace Walker's release in 2010. And the Sins of The Father trailer came out in 2013 and showed an essentially finished game; map, enemies, horse, vehicles, cutscenes and voice lines from all over the storyline, etc.
The game was done but they spent two years sitting on their hands.

>>382997929
Konami didn't let him finish the game.

>>383029894
xD

>>383028840
>if you don't like autistic anime stories for teenagers, you're underage!
MGS fans are the worst. Imagine playing these games and being so enticed by such shit stories. They wouldn't work outside of vidya because they're shit but since you can play a bit then suddenly they get a pass

>>382997929
I just listened to the AI codec call at the end of MGS2 again. It's hard to understand how these 2 games were made by the same person.

What went wrong is that Kojima lost all respect for what he created, and it did not happen with 5 it happened with 4, though 5 is the only one that is 100% irredeemable, so is peace walker.

>They just lifted the scene from MGS3 and randomly put it in with some random DD guy and Ocelot
Why

>>382997929
Clumsy game design with a clumsy, contrived story that was presented in a way that made these faults more apparent. It's still a great game.

People just had an oddly inflated idea of the game in their heads. Even now you see people blaming nebulous Konami intrusion for the sake of continuing their fantasy of what MGSV was going to be even though it's apparent a lot of the things people dislike about MGSV were relatively finalized years before the game came out.

>>383000424
What is it with the number 3 and toddlers? It's the same for Devil May Cry as well.

>>383007087
>>383014210
what indicates that the game was scrapped and remade from scratch then? Because I never heard that before, and the soundtrack is not the whole game

>>383030218
Most people in this thread that like it have just said they like it then get attacked for it. Multiple people have said they like it, while also admitting it's a heavily flawed game. The only fanboyism that seems to be taking place is from mgs fans that can't say a single positive thing about the game because they're upset that people like the game, and that it's not what they wanted. Every time this thread comes up there's people doing exactly this. Attack anybody who says anything positive about the game. Its fucking weird

>>383029879
I know, right?

>>383030736
epic fanservice, also Kojima will do anything to repeat himself

>>383030708
Why?
They are both pretentious, boring garbage that rip off stuff from many other media.

>What went wrong is that Kojima lost all respect for what he created
What's wrong is that he once had respect for all these turds.

I would feel ashamed if my legacy were these pieces of shit that did nothing but create a fanbase full of melodramatic manchildren, and a franchise that only forced the retarded idea that videogames should focus on the plot.

>>383029830
>directed
No, he didn't. He wrote the story. He didn't direct or design the game.

>>383030587
nice blog

>>383030708
Tomokazu Fukushima. He wrote story for MGS1, 2, and 3. Every game after 3 was done by Hideo Kojima and Shuyo Murata.

All that good shit from the first 3 games was 1 guy. The proof is what happened when he left.

>>382997929
Having to play motherbase manager really interrupts the gamplay flow and immersion (at least in the main mission).

Players shouldnt be able to fulton or maybe even not allowed to use the tranq gun.

In addition, the levels were mediocre. There were no complex indoor outposts like in the other games. The castle in where do the bees hide was a proper area that I enjoyed. OKB zero wasnt bad aswell, but lacked some indoor areas.

>>383030708
>It's hard to understand how these 2 games were made by the same person.
Really? MGSV is a mess, but it has Kojima all over it.

>>383030708
>I just listened to the AI codec call at the end of MGS2 again. It's hard to understand how these 2 games were made by the same person.
Fukushima was around back then

>>383030736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp1Cs08NOdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrbVZCF2s3M
For anyone who cant remember.
>>383031091
Honestly I wouldn't have minded it if it fit in.
>Buddy who isn't an experienced solider
>Has gun with engravings
>Come to MB
>Get the talk from Ocelot
>Done

>>383030708
"It's my Metal Gear, and I can kill it if I want to." - Hideo Kojima, 2001, shortly before MGS2's release

>>383028446
>i played hundreds of hours of this game
>here is why i don't like it
lol
if you didn't like it, you wouldn't have finished the first game, let alone the entire franchise

>>383031228
>He wrote story for MGS1, 2, and 3.
No, he didn't.
Literally the only thing we've heard about that literally who is that he wrote optional codec calls for those games.

>The proof is what happened when he left.
So, there's no proof whatsoever.

Even more considering the only change is that MGS went from pretentious trash, to trash that stopped caring about the "message".
Anyway, this franchise has deserved death since MG2, so i'm happy that MG Survive will piss on it's legacy.

>>383029830
shuyo murata left konami to pursue his dream of making his own games and the first game he made was so awful it tanked his career forever, so I'm not sure how much of a loss he was really

>>383031259
>or maybe even not allowed to use the tranq gun.
get the fuck out

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>>383031092
>>383030587
Yes samefag, Everything's shit.

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Everything

>>383031365
>lol you didn't play it, you can't have an opinion
>lol you played them, how can you dislike them
Autism.

All pieces of shit that I simply have no idea how they built a fanbase around them, even more around the laughable plot.

>>383030218
>it had good and bad but overall I enjoyed it
>OMG FANBOYS ARE SO DESPERATE TO DEFEND THIS GAME IT'S A SHITLOAD OF FUCK
And you call others autistic?

>>382998338
He IS a villain, though. Look at what he's been doing behind the scenes in MGSV.

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>>383031447
Yes, metal gear redditor, anyone who doesn't like your piece of shit franchise is the same guy.
You are the fanbase that got given a game so fucking bad you spent the first weeks thinking it was a legitimate joke, a "le ruse".
That's how fucking laughable this franchise is, you had a game so goddamn bad that you literally couldn't believe it.

>>383028446
>No, actually I played the entire franchise last year
>played mgs1 for the first time last year
>last year
16 year old detected

>>383012152
This so much. Having content creators would make this game so fucking replayable. Kojimbo should've invested into that.

Greedy gooks are so fucking short sighted jesus christ.

>>383031714
I have had absolutely no interest in MGS up until now, and looks like I was right in not having it.
Imagine being hyped for years only to be delivered turds one after another.

>>383031092
Take you (You) and fuck off contrarian underage

>>383031497
Autism is forcing yourself trough an entire franchise of games just you could say on 4chan you didn't like it when nobody cares anyway.

>>383031270
It literally doesn't. It does not feel like a MGS game at all.

>>383031917
>contrarian
Ah yes, Reddit's favourite word in order to defend anything popular.
Too bad you are completely incapable of coming up with an argument to defend this dumpster fire of a franchise, then again, no one could.

>>383031684
MGS2 is the greatest game ever made and the first game to be legitimate art, You can't deny this.

>>383031384
Kojima literally said he was waiting confirmation from Fukushima on the MGS2 script before finalizing it. That spells out "joint effort". He had weight.

>>383031426
Wait, I forget, did Murata work on V or was that Etsu Tamari?

>>383032063
>Kojima literally said he was waiting confirmation from Fukushima on the MGS2 script before finalizing it.
Source?

>>383031228
>>383031301

I don't buy this conspiracy theory, and the proof is that it's more then story and characters that is wrong with the game. It's not because some other guy left, it's because the director is a different person now.

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>>383031809
Imagine playing a series years after everyone else and getting this pissed off about it

>>383032042
i whole heartedly agree.
Its the citizen cane of games

>>383032042
Funny because Kojima himself said videogames will never be art.
Maybe the only time that dumbass said something that made any sense.

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>>382997929
We all know what went wrong you mongoloid. Konami didn't let Kojima finish the game.

>>383031735
Fox engine was basically going to be the next Unreal 4, before Konami jewed all over it.

>>383032252
Yes, because you autismos actually defend this piece of shit, you even think the stories are good.
And there's autists like this >>383032312 who think MGSV would have stopped being a piece of shit if it was finished.
No, it was going to be the same crap like all MGS games.
At least the franchise is in the past now and the only thing coming is something that will rightfully piss all over it's "legacy".

>>383032310
>i hate my hobby
please leave, video games are art

>>383032201
We can debate forever about just how much input Fukushima had, but there's very noticeable difference in MGS before and after he left

>>383032312
>still better than pretty much any tps that has come out before or since

LET HIM FINISH A GAME FOR ONCE FFS

>MGS: Ocelot loses an arm
>MGS2: Solidus loses an eye
>MGS3: Big Boss loses an eye
>MGS4: Raiden loses both arms
>MGSV: Venom loses an arm, Kaz loses an arm and a leg

It's amazing how Snake went through five games without losing any body parts.

>>383032154
The Document of MGS2, development around March 2002.

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>>383032445
Except mgsv is already better than most other open world games even in it's unfinished state

>>383032457
t. pretentious indie dev who makes 30 minute long walking simulators with a voice narrating you the story of your black transgender disabled sister

Videogames are not art and will never be art, the only people who think they are are people who want their hobby to be taken seriously instead of being a virtual kid's toy.
Guess what, it will never amount to anything else.

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>>383032563
he lost his purpose

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>>383032445
Its a decent game and your a fucking hipster that hates on stuff to be "popular". Fucking legit end it all do the human gene pool a favour.

>>383032603
No, it isn't.

The story got cut to pieces, having said that I enjoyed the gameplay so much that I got the platinum for both the PS3 and PS4 versions

>>383032738
Yes it is.

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>>382997929
>What went wrong?
E V E R Y T H I N G

>>383032310
>Kojima himself said videogames will never be art

You're talking about that OPSM interview? Learn to read between the lines. His definition of art is also extremely appliable to his creatures, especially DS.

>>383032731
No, it's not.
And don't hipsters hate anything popular?

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>>383032445
>Imagine playing a series years after everyone else and getting this pissed off about it
>Yes because REEEE REEEE REEEE
Oh man, you are more entertaining than Caramel, please show up in more threads

>>383032846
>mgs
>popular
its a fucking niche between niches in a niche hobby

>>383032793
It's empty, it's pointless, there's nothing to do but grinding, it sacrificed level design.
It's terrible.
A fitting end for MGS.

>>383032625
If that's what you think i mean with videogames being art, it's not.
MGS2 is definetly art.

>>383032310
>man who resents video games because he's not good enough for Hollywood resents video games
Who knew?

>>383032949
According to who, some random fat fuck on /v/? Because it le predicted le SJWs?

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>>383032738
It is though. I can tie a fucking balloon to a goat and launch it into space while listening to Aha's Take on me.

>>383032625
And here we have the classic self-hating gamer

>>383032932
Video games are not a niche hobby, and MGS is one of the most popular Japanese game franchises ever. Snake himself is one of the most recognizable game characters. You're delusional.

>>383033054
Woah that's so fucking epic and wacky bro xDD

>>383032949
Okami is art
Shadow of the Colossus is art
Mario Paint is art

Metal Gear is Tactical Espionage Action

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I'm replaying it these days with DD recruit in cutscenes mod, going slow and trying to S rank and doing optional achievements as I go. Feels like your own story rather than a MGS one and it's actually better.

Eva's suit is nice too

>>383026689
Do you remember, anon?
https://youtu.be/DIfUB376xvU

>>383032846
Thats what I am saying MGSV sold 6 million and most people ( not faggots on /v/ ) love it.
You sir are a fucking hipster.

>>383033141
>WOW, YOU DON'T CONSIDER VIDEOGAMES ART YOU MUST HATE THEM
Is there anything more pathetic that the children who form the videogame community?

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>>383000424
its the kojima paradox

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>>383033145
>Because video games should be serious and have no fun at all.

>>383033030
It is divisive, and makes people discuss. The point of the game and its plot was to provoke thought and making up your own answers. What more do you need for a non-autistic definition of art?

>>383032936
>empty
open world does not mean empty, there are plenty of guard posts and base camps for you to go in, even the open spaces have animals or plants to collect with the occasional guard patrol
>pointless
????
>grinding
only if you intend to collect and unlock everything
>sacrificed level design
all of the base camps have good enough level design, like i said it's unfinished and it would have probably been even better
But you hate mgs anyway, so whatever

>>383033209
No, this is far beyond the point where MGS4 turns from shit into radiactive garbage.

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>destiny
>mgsv
>ffxv
>halo 5
>SWVII
why does it keep happening?

>>383033030
According to the content product and the reaction of the people who played/ experienced it.

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Everything you need to know about why you should play MGSV and its great is here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1HpdleCgeg

>>383033556
Those people are not reliable sources for art.
Those are just dumbass fanboys who think a story about illuminati is art.
None of you are capable of arguing why some dumbass videogame is art.

>>383033639
Except people already have.

>>383033310
No, that's not art, by that logic the piece of shit I took that clogged the toilet is art because people started discussing about how the toilet was clogged.

>>383033290
>have two fanbases
>autistic storyfags
>gameplay focused classicfags
>can't please both

>>383033730
No, they haven't.

>>383033626
I liked it better when it was called good to go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsCHzXIhUoU

>>383033883
Yes, they have.

>>383033639
if orange is the new black is art
this is art

you dont have to agree or like something for it to be art and no matter how much you scream at picasso paintings they remain artwork

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>>383033274

>>383033764
You seem to be awfully fixated on excrement analogies.

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>autismal kojimadrones saying that MGS games are art
It's always hilarious how gamers are this desperate for anyone to take seriously their dumb as fuck medium, all of them behaving like children about it.
>LOOK, THIS GAME HAD A STORY WITH A BIT MORE COMPLEXITY THAN THE AVERAGE MARVEL CAPESHIT, IT'S LITERALLY THE NEW MICHELANGELO

Keep paying your microtransactions kids.

>>383033995
>if orange is the new black is art
No, it isn't.

>this is art
This isn't art either.

Piccaso paintings are actual art.
Videogames are not.

>>383033976
When?
When someone on /v/ said so?
Because MGS2 predicted SJWs and it was ebin as fug because muh VR theory?

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I'll never understand people who wanted to spend the game doing shit we already knew about like rescuing Sniper Wolf when that was only fucking relevant in MGS1, it's like they can't just use their imagination. Nope, gotta see every little detail right down to Ocelot wiping his ass after his morning shit. It's this mentality that led to the dreadful fanwank 'story' of MGS4, which everyone now claims to love. MGS fans truly are the worst fans in existence.

>>383034240
you don't know what art is
video games can be

>>383034062
Analogies with a quality on par with the subject we are talking about, AKA videogames as art, which they are not.

>>383033626
>>383033941
Literally no resemblance?

the fact that mgs is the ONLY game i ever hear even being discussed in the same breath as art means its the closest we have to art in videogames so far

literally who cares whether vidya is art?

>>383034240
>when
What? Are you stupid?
I said people already have argued about why videogames are art, because you claimed no one has.
>Those people are not reliable sources for art.
>t-they dont c-count

>>383034337
No, they can't.
Anyone with a camera can make a movie, anyone with pen and paper can write a story, anyone with a canvas and paint can make a painting.
Even the most simple videogames cost thousands and thousands of dollars, they will always need to give in and cater to people in one way or another because no one is willing to burn money.
That's why videogames have never and will never be art.
If the best examples you have of videogames as art are MGS2 and Shadow of the Colossus, that says enough.

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Video games are art. They have pictures and models. The letter A is art. Anything that involves humans making shapes is fucking art.

>>383034240
>Piccaso

How are they art? An elephant could probably draw more accurate representation of reality.

>Because MGS2 predicted SJWs and it was ebin as fug because muh VR theory?

Literally talking to swines with second hand knowledge. I get it now.

>>383034492
No, MGS is only discussed because there's too many kids who have never read a book and think that piece of shit is a story worth discussing.

can't fuck quiet while she moans loudly

>>383034659
>How are they art? An elephant could probably draw more accurate representation of reality.
Art is not supposed to represent reality.

>Literally talking to swines with second hand knowledge. I get it now.
I still see no argument as to why MGS2 is art.
Maybe because there's none.

>>383034548
>I said people already have argued about why videogames are art
Post what they said so I can laugh at them.

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>>383034550
>the way things are created defines what they are and how they are culturally relevant

pch, kid....

>>383033764
My poops are better games than this! xD

>>383034550
>indie games don't exist
>what is auteur theory

>>383034768
Woah, that's so deep, I mean, Kojima is A GENIUS.
Just how deep could this be.
And you are telling me that war and nukes are very bad?
Is Kojima the biggest modern philosopher along with Pewdiepie and Anita Sarkeesian?

>>383000424
Correct

>>383034845
>indie games don't exist
They do, and even something as simple as Undertale asked for $50k.
Not to mention that the majority of them are shovelware-tier that nobody in their sane minds would play.

>>383034765
>Post what they said so I can laugh at them.
Why should i? Like you said, you'll disregard itanyway regardless of the content.

saying "mgs2 is art" always provides me with some solid entertainment, keep going faggots

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>>383034852
what tthe fuck are you talking about tumblrina?

seems you spend too much time online and not enough time absorbing other culture

>>383034975
Because no one is capable of saying anything meaningful.
Anyone trying to argue that videogames are art are indie devs with blue hair dye and ramblings of fanboys who take videogames way too seriously.

>>383034980
Perhaps you should play it sometime

>>383034550
>Anyone with a camera can make a movie, anyone with pen and paper can write a story, anyone with a canvas and paint can make a painting.
>Even the most simple videogames cost thousands and thousands of dollars
wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Anyway I'm off to play some art

>>383035063
What for?
It's not a fun game and the story is pretty dumb.

>>383035053
I'm neither of those things and i've argued it in this thread.

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>>383034765
You have no understanding what art is. Everything humans make is art. Your packet of chips...theres art on the package.

MGSV is art....but so is CoD Infinite Warfare. They might not be good art but they are still are and anyone that says they arnt are delusional up their own ass hipster faggots.

>>383034765
>Art is not supposed to represent reality.

Had a good laff. Keep going.

Aldo, according to what >>383034550 (You) says, MGS2 is a prime example of art, because it was made with the purpose of screwing over the average fan of the series, to the point of the basic plotline being a repeat of the previous game. It was pandering to virtually nobody but the maker, and people who got the message of the game.

>>383035136
>wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong
An argument according to the neckbeards who think videogames are art.

>>383035154
Then point at it.
Or are you just going to start dodging the subject over and over?

>>383021541
it's a good thing you can tell people's date of birth on anonymous image boards (who here even mentioned their childhood tho)

>>383035241
It's not an argument it's just fact dum dum

>>383035241
Why do i have to repeat myself when you won't listen? Me and others have already argued that videogames are art, you haven't. You just blew our arguments away without any argument of yourself.

>>383035231
Since when is art supposed to represent real life?
I mean, according to this guy >>383035224 I could take a shit on an empty canvas and that would be art.
Maybe because literally none of you know what art is, which is what leads you to believe videogames are capable of being that?

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>>383035224
this

>>383035063
I have, doesn't mean I can't bait idiots into fighting each other about "what is art?"

>>383035150
What game meets your requirements of fun? Dark Souls?

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QUIET
FEET

>>383035402
>dum dum
What a concidence, the people who think videogames are art speak like Tumblrinas.

>>383035421
So yes, you are not going to point at those posts, because there's nothing in them, you are just going to go around in circles, as expected.
Bye.

>>383035538
Zelda BOTW is pretty fun.
MGS2 is just a clunky game that has some terrible shooting mechanics.
Gameplay seems feels like an afterthought.
The boss fights are pretty boring too, even the one against 20 MG Rays managed to be boring.

>>383035567
>no one has argued why video games are art
>argues why videogames are art
>that doesn't count
>no one has argued why video games are art
This is you, bye indeed.

>>383035567
>people on tumblr know more about video games than me
embarrassing really

>>383035448
>Since when is art supposed to represent real life?

What is real life, is a better question. Your definition of art would only probably hurt my brain.

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>>383035448
If that was the intention of the person to create a canvas with a shit on it then it is actually art. You seem to struggle with the actual concept of art.

>>383035673
>terrible shooting mechanics
Good thing it's a stealth game and not a shooter

>>383035716
I love how everytime someone says "I already said that" and I ask them to point that, they never do it.
I mean, is it that hard linking a post?
Or maybe it's because there's nothing?

>>383035726
Only people like Tumblrinas are as pathetically obsessed with videogames that they think they are art.
Funny that you defend MGS2 as art, when even Kojima said videogames will never be art.

>>383035786
Seems like something being labeled "art" is completely meaningless.

>>383035904
>arguing about if games are art on 4chan
>start bringing up tumblr as a scapegoat
Your rambling m8

>>383035834
good thing you can play the entire game without shooting anything
these fucking underage casuals man..

>>383035786
Well, since MGS2 is the virtual equivalent of smearing shit on a wall, then MGS2 is certainly art.
Now i'm going to make some art in the toilet and then have some deeply fried art for dinner.

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Everything is art the same way everything is maths.

Just wanted to inform everyone in this thread that I am smoking a joint

>>383035673
>terrible shooting mechanics

Sorry, I don't want to insult the mentally challenged. Hope a 2017 game can entertain you how you deserve.

>>383036192
>>383035834
Something being optional doesn't excuse laziness.

>>383036047
You're being sarcastic but yeah pretty much

>>383035904
>is it that hard linking a post?
Is it that hard to read the posts of the peopel you argue with? If i bring them up, you'll just say they don't count again and we'll go in circles. Next time, read your posts and get a attention span that's longer than 5 minutes if you want to discuss on here.

>>383036047
>>383035834
it's intentionally shitty so that you don't rely on it. it has to be calculated

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>>383036164
Buy the looks of this thread so is most of /v/ shits getting all Twilight Zone in here.

>>383036294
So yes, it is very hard to link to those posts.
Sorry you couldn't come up with a single argument.

>>383036382
And there we go again.

>>383035834
>Funny that you defend MGS2 as art, when even Kojima said videogames will never be art.

See >>383032842 and stop repeating yourself.

>>383036448
I still see no links to any post.
Can't possibly be that hard.
You go to the post, and click on the post number.

>>383036281
I wasnt but yes thats why i said it

>>383036535
>read between lines
No, he literally said it's not art.
Otherwise, explain it.

>>383036305
exactly. just like OG resident evil
or silent hill

>>383030329
Got a source for this? Because it's pretty easy to see when they started hiring for development positions on the game. Unless you just mean they had scripts and concept art in 2010

>>383031092
>rips off other media

thats why its good

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Every thread where MGS fanboys try to defend their shit franchise is a pure joy.

>>383036280
No, I was literally referring to how the shooting mechanics aren't terribile, unless you were expecting to play Quake III, or you're just challenged.

>>383036893
You literally can't move while aiming.

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>Single faggot says Video games are not art.

There are plenty of games that are actual art.
How will hipster faggots ever recover?

>>383037086
What about this.

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can we talk about good stealth games in this thread?

>>383036796
Why?
Because it blatantly steals ideas?

Having zero originality is good?

So how close is the nuclear disarmament?

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>>383037086
i know right?

how are these toes not art

>>383007404
can I get steam achievements with mods?

>>383037206
What do good stealth games have to do with MGS?

>>383036650
His definition of art is "something that will only please the creator" and "has a life of its own", the meat of his argument being that games that are art just won't sell. In the same interview, he also mentions how he thinks a boss that can't be beaten can be considered "art". Rings a bell?

>>383037206
blacklist was unironically good