>play an RPG >get stuck because you leveled up your character

>>382996486
>hey let's have freedom
>you better don't use it though

Shit rpg.

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>>382996486

>reach tough boss
>cant kill him with current strength
>cant backtrack to powerlevel, its a closed dungeon that doesnt respawn monsters
>3-4h between saves

>>382996486
>Play modern RPG
>Ez win no matter what you levelled up, even if you didn't level up anything
Is this better or worse?

>>382996878
Final fantasy 10 with the dragon ship battle

>>382997051

and grandia 1 fighting Baal on his airship

>>382996486
>play rpg
>get stuck cause the characters you leveled up and mained died from plot
>stuck with lame low level party memebers only
Fuck you Digital Devil Saga. The deaths were sad too.

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>Game gives you a large variety of party members to choose from
>Those you don't take into your main party won't level up
>Forced to use these characters in the last battle of the game, with the enemies scaled to your main party's levels and equipment
>Their performance affects the ending

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>>382997447

>can have up to 8 chars
>only 4 in battle
>if you find the secret op sword you can beat 90% of game solo
>only some bosses require a 2nd party member to cast spells to cancel enemies spells

>>382997447

>main character is an insufferable faggot you can't get rid of

>>382997001
its better because finding out you need to reroll and start new game because your build is trash due to poor game balance is fucking depressing and kills desire to attempt another playthrough

>>382997051
lmao what

It's fucking impossible to get "stuck" in FFX because of wrong sphere grid path you fucking neanderthal.

Not to mention he's perfectly beatable on no sphere grid run.
You fuckers need to learn how to play your fucking games.

>>383000089


Are you this stupid or just memeing?
ffx is possible the hardest ff in the whole series; hell, even the grinding in ff 3 was a lot easy than converging quantum parameters for doing 9999 of dmg
Also, the dragon isn't possible without auron or waka development. Instead of being stupid you could, don't know, play the game

>>382996486
>play an rpg with a squad of people
>spread out responsibilities
>turns out you put half the points into useless shit

>>383000747
Jesus fucking christ you've got to be shitposting

It's one of THE easiest FFs, I've played through the fucking game 5 times while doing no sphere grid run 2 times.

You can't seriously fucking tell me it's hard. Don't fucking reply anymore, you're a moron

>>382999880
It's called "discovery" and "learning". Figuring out and trying to solve what is the best way to do things is half the fun in any game ever.

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>>383000747
are you fucking serious?

>>383000842


>you can actually do it because i say it and you have to accept my words at all cost
Wew, through that the meme of being a low iq contrarian faggot in /v/ was just a joke

>Play RPG
>take a break for one month
>load up the save
>have no idea where the fuck to go, what to do
>start a fresh save

I've been doing this for 2 years with Dragon Age Origins. I have 70hours played but from my estimates I barely played more than 20% of the game every time...

Anyone has any suggestions? I often find myself not knowing which quests from my log to do and which not.

Same story with New Vegas.

>>382999880
This. Hardship makes me :( and I don't need that kind of darkthink ruining my day.

>>383000747
FFX is the hardest FF only because it requires a little more than:
>attack
>attack
>attack
>potion
>attack
>attack
>attack
>attack
>cure all
>attack
>attack
etc.

Everything the guy you responded to is still true. FFX is completely beatable without ever touching the sphere grid.

>>383000936


>see how contrarian i am, mom XD
Let me guess, the only thing you know about ff x are the ''teedus'' memes, right?

>>382999880
fuck you

>>383000905
The discovery and learning in action and arcade games of how to play them is infinitely better because you're actually in control and can win with skill instead of being a pretentious faggot like you.

>>382996486
Is there a more mary su character in old movies than this guy?

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>not be shit at RPGs
>never run into any of these problems

>>383001094


>poisoning without sphere grid
man
FOR HAVING THAT SKILL YOU FUCKING NEED TO DEVELOP LULU, YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT RETARDTED CONTRARIAN PIECE OF SHIT
I cant with this, i don't even know why i am in this shitty board with edgy teenagers hating games for no reason

>>383001173
How to not be shit at "RPG"s: Follow a Recipe

Sure is skillful.

>>382996486
Fuck you FF2. I shouldn't be punished for keeping my characters well healed

>>383001229
Here's a freebie chum, since you seem to be legitimately lost here.

Try the "steal" command every once in a while.

The rest will cost you though. So use that info wisely ;)

>>383001229
Please tell me this is bait

>>383001519
>heh, i will give no arguments besides my stupid memeing because my disabled brain cant do more than this XD

>>383001458


>kek, it was a joke bro, just memeing about ff you know xD


fuck off, retard

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So now that the thread has established FFX as an easy as piss game nobody with a functioning cerebellum should get stuck on and that OP is a faggot, where do we go from there?

Is it too late for a comfy Morrowind thread?

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>>383001875
Because I sure could use a comfy Morrowind thread right about now.

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>>383002036
There's just something about this game. So easy to chill in.

>>383001679
>>383001791
Here, if you're actually serious, this should help you: https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/197344-final-fantasy-x/faqs/16203
You're welcome.

>>382997447
fucking rogue galaxy, dropped that game at the last boss because of this

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>>383002203
Ok so this isn't another screenshot of mine but I fucking love MW's concept art.

>>382996486
Does that ever realistically happen in videogames?

Even with a character that only trains non-combat skills, you can probably get by with just the base attack and smart item use (in most RPGs)

>>382996878
Happened to me in FFX in the Yuna Aeons battle after Bevellle. Nowhere to farm and couldn't beat the other guy. I quit the game and later restart years after.

>>383001046
I dunno, I think you should stop taking so many quests first off. That shit just by seeing how many you picked up tires you out like you obligated to do them.
Secondly you should probably not divide your attention between so many games.

>>383002486

It can happen in FF7 at Golden Saucer, since the fight is a 1 on 1 with a character you don't have access to while in the "dungeon." But even then with smart materia/item use it's possible

>>383001094
>FFX is beatable with the starting HP even though you'll get 1-shot by everything later :^)

>>382996486
>Titan quest
>picked warrior/necromancer (or whatever its called) resulting in spellbraker
>two talent trees does not compliment each other at all, its fucking opposite trees, one adds only mana and int other is health and str
>too weak for warrior, not enough health and str
>too weak for mage, low int and mana
>better was just stick to one tree and leave other empty
>beat the game by alot of corpse running and shooting final boss of screen
(it was wiser to pick double warrior or double mage trees becouse it has different skill but same passive bonuses to health/str or int-mana)

>>383002856
Poe's law at it again. Can never be sure if /v/ is that retarded or if it's yet another epic trollface.jpg out to steal people's goats.

>>382996486
Ran into this problem with arx fatalis. I don't think ive played a game where you get slapped on the ass with a difficulty spike like that one. When those armored fuckers invade the town godamn thats nuts. Had to restart as a mage to kill those fucks effectively.

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>>383001046
I keep doing this. I'll start a game play it for a while then decide to start another game, get hooked on that for a while, start another game, etc until I end up back at the first game a month later. Then I can't remember what the fuck I was doing and so I restart, get back to where I stopped last time and move on to the other game I stopped played and have to restart because I don't remember what the fuck I was doing or what I need to do, etc. It's an endless cycle for me. There are so many games I want to finish. I'll get in the mood to play through a game without stopping every once in a while and that's when I finish a game but other than that I keep starting, stopping and restarting games all the time. Why the fuck do I do this to myself... fuck.

>>383003006
Why don't you explain how to beat the game without touching the sphere grid then? How do you do it with no hp or attack gains? Also no new magic for casters

OH WAIT YOU CAN'T AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCKING IDIOT

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>>383003006
>>383003593
#REKT

I was playing EYE and I got to the part in Mars where Dutch got killed and I get my shit fucked and it turns out I picked wrong stats but I can't go back to the grind levels because Mars

>>382996486
~

>>383003803
oh yeah it wasn't the defend Dutch Mars level, it's the Dutch gets killed by airplane

>>383003803
You cant "launch Temple HQ" there? Or create gameand select grind mission from there?

>>383002438
I love Bonemold gear. So distinctive and almost regal. Contrast with the awkward-looking Legion armor in Oblivion and the trashiness of every single armor set in Skyrim

>>382996878
Wiegraf

>>383004228
I don't remember anymore

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>>382996878

>>382996486
>>382996586
Age of Decadence

I remember, in Venetica you had finite XP and after several hours in you arrive in a city and you have to buy a skill to progress the main quest. It is literally impossible to progress because there is a flying enemy or something and you can't reach it without your drain power.

However if you are a completionist fag it is possible to do every available side quest before you start that up and know the game doesn't give you the skill or XP for the skill. It just expects you go straight there and then fuck around with the sidequests. You can't redistribute skillpoints as well.

>>382996586
>level up speech, barter, lockpick, and repair
>wonder why you can't beat that boss

>>383004535
>tfw beat this at 11 without knowing Scream or JP Scroll glitch
>tfw took a week
>tfw think I'm in the clear
>tfw those bitches on the roof

>>383001046
Both the games you listed have quest markers, how the fuck do you not know what to do? It's literally right there in the fucking game menus!

>>383004863
>Level up melee, guns, and energy weapons
>wonder why you can't talk the boss encounter away

>>383004863
>he doesn't beat the bosses with suave talk

>>382996486
>RPG is 30 hours long
>reach the final boss
>realize I completely fucked up my build
>can't respec

>>382997001
depends if it's still fun, and the other classes are different but fun in their own way

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>>382996486
>But still get remembered as a good game as fan babies enjoy all your bull shit

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>>382996486
Divinity OS

>>382996486
Like in Bloodborne, lul

>>383001046
Just continue whatever way seems reasonable.
Got a bunch of ammo and power armor cores in fallout 4 then stopped laying because quests were too hard. Got back to it on the old save 5 months later and powered through the quests easily because I actually used all the crap i collected.

>>383009085
>fallout 4
>too hard
what the fuck

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>you can re-spec halfway through the game

Investing all my skill points in poison resistance and water breathing has never let me down.
Swamp level here I come!

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>>383001046
I did this with FF7 and Majora's Mask (not an RPG but still) for several years.
Last month I finally finished FF7, it was really nice.

Now I'm playing Majora's Mask, but it's so fucking boring because I already played the first half of the game a thousand times.

>Have to recruit 108 characters and do many of their individual side-quests, some of them time based, and level up a bunch to get the true ending.
>You also have to make a split-second decision at a certain point otherwise someone dies and you're fucked for the good ending.

>>382996486
FF8

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>>383009610
nothing personnel kid

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>>383009686
Why can't she be a party member?

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>couldn't progress because hacking skills aren't high enough

>>382996486
This happened with me in SMT II.

Magic stat is useless for the main character yet you need to have 10 points in order to progress in a certain part.

>>383009876
*lock picking

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In what RPG you can actually get stuck?

>>382996486
git gid

There was a ps2 gane that was guilty of this. It had some guy on the cover holding a green glowing ring. Yiu had to craft magic rings that would cast spells. You cone make one that sent out a slow moving orb of death, and it was great because everything was slow.

Until the dragon boss that moves like a wasp and could hit for shit. If you didn't have alot of back up shit, else was just about impossible.

>play an RPG
>party balance matters
>use the same party members the whole game or be left at a disadvantage

-OR-

>play an RPG
>party balance does not matter
>get to use the whole roster, but your choice of individual members feels less meaningful as a result

You must choose, /v/.

>>383001046
Yes, I have a suggestion.
Stop shitposting on /v/ and play the games

>>383010202
ditch everyone, go solo

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>>382996878

>>383004535
Exactly what came to mind. And he's about 2/3 into the game if I recall correctly.

>>383010410
>you must gather your party before venturing forth

>>382996486
What game?

>>382997195
1 or 2?

>>383009952
Morrowind Oblivion skyrim fallout 3 fallout 4, atleast that's until you type in TCL so you can fly out of whatever caused you to get stuck

>play rpg
>realize your build/characters suck and can barely hold their own
>win anyway because the game is so glitchy or the AI is terrible

>>383011351
>morrowind
>not having ring of mark and recall

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>>383009952
I've heard that it can happen in System Shock 2, but never knew the details.

To anyone who's played it, what exactly ruins a run?

>>383011351
You can partially respec in Skyrim but you need the last DLC

>>383004863
>no option to use barter and speech to build up an army of well trained mercenaries to fight for you
>can't use repair to ensure their ensure their equipment is up to snuff
>can't use lockpicking and repair to gain easy access to final boss's lair for your army

>>382996486
>play any AD&D CRPG
>choose bard because can't decide on class and its named as jack-of-all
>literally the worst class in the fucking game and makes playing it extra hard

And it always took me like 2 or 3 chapters to finally realize that I was gimping myself by choosing a bard.

>>382996486
>choices shouldn't matter
>no consequences for bad decisions
>I should always be able to win
Might as well make all bosses QTEs you casual faggot

>>383011823
Second this question.

>>382996486
Kick logic to the curb and do the impossible

>>383004348
>Skyrim's armor
>Bad
Plebian detected

>>383004678

Kek came here to post it.

How are people this shit at video games? I haven't gotten stuck in a JRPG since I was like a 5 year old retard playing FF8. I didn't know what junction was because I couldn't read. I just mr magood thru the game and then got stuck in the Lunatic Pandora.

>>383014575
>5 year old
>couldnt read
>calls others retarded

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>>383014575
>5 year old
>couldn't read

This happend to me back with FF10, never finished it

>>383016713
Literally impossible

>>383016987
I must be some sort of God.

>>382998221
Life

>>383013872
Nice reading comprehension, retard.
There's a difference between making something hard for those who build their chars wrongly and making something impossible.

Making the player 'get stuck' and unable to progress is just bad game design.
Making the player have a hard time, but it still being possible to beat the game, is a good punishment for bad decisions.

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>>383010202
>play party based RPG
>get to use a limited amount of characters from the entire roster for missions
>different characters provide different solutions to problems
>different characters can unlock different outcomes to a mission

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>>383018439
Pussy babby faggot

>>383020316
t. neet living in his mom's basement

>>383015616
>>383016512

Yeah I am sure most 5 year olds are reading professionals. Most kids don't learn to read until 1st grade, which is 6 or 7.

>>383009952
In Pokemon Red you can get stuck. If you run out of money/sellable items/trainers you won't be able to do the Safari Zone.
Only way to get money is have someone transfer a Meowth to you with a link cable.

>>383018439
According to you a party of all fighters, all magic users or all thieves should be able to beat any RPG. For that matter a party of all bards should as well. You are what happens when children grow up all getting medals for participating.

>>383021275
>According to you a party of all fighters, all magic users or all thieves should be able to beat any RPG. For that matter a party of all bards should as well.
What game doesn't let you clear with those parties?

>>382996486
Test

>>382996486
what game?

>>383000747
you dont know shit. go watch a no spheregrid run since its obvious you wont be able to do it yourself

RPGs should technically be beatable with any build. It might be hard as fuck and near impossible without some exploits but it shouldn't just lock the game and make you restart.

>>383004863
>>383007145
I wish more games let you kill enemies by talking
I think only FF Tactics lets you do that
Usually it's an enemy that does it like that crazy retard from Dankest Dungeon that does stress damage

>>382996486
Thanks Saga Frontier

>>382996486
Fucking LISA.

Got a good way into it and then hit a brick wall and the only place I could reliably grind was boring as all hell.

>>383021275
Oh yeah, because any normal person would gladly restart a 50 hours campaign because of bad game design.

>>383024059
The original Fallout you fucking casual

>>383021275
All Fighters was literally the best team in FF1
Highest damage + highest defense + healing magic (once class upgrades happened)

>>383000905
If those skills aren't viable, then why the fuck are they in the game?

Being told to play the game a specific way is the exact opposite of fun and only happens because the designers can't into balancing.

>>383009901
>not just going to the casino or searching stores to get magic boosting gear (use wiki for reference)
>not using that and the bar to boost magic stat and making a quick dash within 20 steps in Holytown
>Not saving magic incense for later boosting and sparing a couple to bump it into that range for above methods
Also did you know collecting 9 of the same gemstone gives a +1 stat boost to aleph?

>>382998221

vaan, my god if bosch was the main character the game would have been a 10/10

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>play an RPG
>it doesn't let you respec

>>383024345
>pick sorcerer
>0 points in mana
>insist on using spells
>pick fighter
>put every point into barter
>insist on melee
>why can't i beat this game, bad game design

You can't always win everything. I guess Skyrim is a great example for you because no matter how much you fuck up your build you can master every guild, complete every quest and save the day yet again.

>>383024417
I meant as actual combat damage not some occasional "kill yourself" dialogue choices

>>383021275
>fighters flight their way through the baddies
>mage party spends the entire game researching the epidemic and the last mission is to build and deploy the final solution to problem
>thieves ghost the entire game - infiltrate the evil organisation set it up to fail and then watch it implode

gee, man, was it that hard

>>382999880
Or maybe you can actually do some research before you play?

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>>382997447
Digital Devil Saga 2

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>Play an RPG
>A party member dies as part of the story
>They take all the equipment they had on them to the grave.

Thankfully most games are pretty merciful about it.

>>383024834
If the player uses tactics effectively and there are some non-lethal/support options for non-combat builds, then any build should be able to beat the game.

Forcing the player into one specific play style runs contrary to the philosophy of RPGs (freedom of choice).

>>383024834
>game has 582 classes
>balanced around one single class - the fighter
>there is only one way to solve anything - through fighting
>other classes can eat shit
y-you can't always win everything

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>>382996586
This is how I felt with Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne
>All these stats to level up and a variety of different skills
>Literally no reason to level up anything but STR and use the PHY skills

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>>383024834
Look at this retard.

>>383025026
That ruins all the surprise and sense of discovery since you're only focusing on autistically minmaxing. On top of that, it doesn't answer one question: Why is a certain skill even in the game if it isn't viable?

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>>383000747

>>383025274
Except absolutely anything is viable in Nocturne if you fuse demons to suit your needs and equip different Magatama.

>>383024834
>pick whatever
>put every point into crafting
>be what you want when you want
You don't need advanced skills to use proper tools.

>>383025202
>freedom of choice
Choice only matters if there are consequences. What you propose isn't an RPG - it's a press-x-to-win with meaningless stats. If every build can beat the game then why have builds at all? How many times have you played as a fighter with all points into intelligence and none into weapon skills or endurance? In fact why even allocate points at all - surely you should be able to beat the game with any build, right?

>>383024345
Any normal person wouldnt screw this bad in a child game. YOU are retarded and the problem not the game.

>>383025778
>If every build can beat the game then why have builds at all?
So that people can choose to beat the game using their favorite types of playstyles and skills?

>>383025202
By your own definition Skyrim is the pinnacle of RPG design.

>>383025274
that 25 natural str door was bullshit.

>>383025778
"Consequences" should come from choices I make in the story and in quests, not because I wanted to play as a thief, but the game was designed around a warrior. Why the fuck would I play a class I don't enjoy playing?

And no, pouring all your points into intelligence isn't retarded if you design your game properly, since intelligence allows you to pass skill checks and hacking minigames that give you extra resources that give you an edge.

Useless skills are a result of lazy design. Full stop.

>>382998221
>Rush Sykes

>>383025778
>If every build can beat the game then why have builds at all?
Any good GM in an actual tabletop campaign will tell you if your build is entirely unsuitable for the kinds of things you'll be facing.

Why wouldn't you expect the same from a CRPG which is substantially less flexible than even the most railroaded tabletop campaign?

>>383001046
On that note, Dragon Age fits OPs descrpition perfectly.

Team of archer, tank two-hander, rouge? Hard mode unlocked.

Bring one mage with fire gear equipped and fireball? Get a full knock down for half damage on the enemy to start every fight.

>>383001173
that's the point mate, not being "shit" at rps means learning and exploiting it's system, not actually playing how you want.

>>383026917
What you're thinking of is a strategy game, not a ROLE PLAYING Game.

>>383009876
System Shock 2?

>be me
>play Legend of Dragoon as a kid
>get to disc 3
>in the area that's a bunch of platforms in the clouds or something
>get to boss, stuck because underleveled
>can't go back down to earth to grind
>start entire game over
I love the game but in retrospect, that's shit design.

>>383018960
that would literally take a genius/incredibly talent dev team, with zero to little producer meddling.

>>383024286
Lisa is all about spamming status effects, I beat Satan without him ever getting an attack.

Lol at all these fags who think going any build should allow you to beat an rpg. I agree that reset potions are a good idea, but just being able to mindlessly put points into anything and finish the game brings no challenge and thought to the process. You instead rely on inputs for 100% of the difficulty instead of both brains and skills.

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>>382996486
>RPG
>you have to avoid leveling up because enemies scale based on your level and you can accidentally break the game

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>boss joins your party
>he is weak as fuck and doesnt have any of the cool spells he was casting on you 5 minutes ago

>>382996486
I got to the Emperor and Empress fight in Persona 3 at level 18 and my last save was just before the fight, literally needed to start a new character in normal and grind like a fucker in the Tartarus

>>383029516
Making a dumb build should make the game harder, but not impossible.

Take SMT for example. You can get by just fine making a retarded build as long as you build a party that covers your weaknesses.

>>383025197
>party member comes back later with no equipment
fuck you ff4

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>>382996486
>try to keep party at the same level
>fail and main character is always overleved and carrying the party
>save after 4 hours
>It's a mission where only the underleved side characters are allowed

>>383032141
It seems like people in this thread are taking this to ridiculous degrees where even not covering those weaknesses should still allow you to win.

I mean, building a well-balanced, efficient party is part of the challenge in RPGs to begin with, so fucking that up should rightfully make things harder for you.

Now if it makes things virtually impossible, that's another story but unless you're playing a game with downright cruel game design or you're screwing everything up on purpose, it never happens.

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>people think trial and error RPG gameplay is fun
these new RPGs are fucked
fallout 1 never had this problem

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>>382996486

>Play ARPG

>Game literally forces you to grind 5 levels to even beat the first boss

>Mobs are either unkillable or piss easy depending if you are one level away or not

>It's not even fun to grind

overrated series

>>382998221
FF9 holy shit

>>383027414
The only tricky bit is making the outcomes have meaningful differences, but that shit would blow through the budget of any dev that hasn't completely planned everything. Even the nicest, charitable producers would balk that that plan.

>play ARPG
>half the stats are utterly useless

>>383029867
This is why I fucking hated FF The 4 heroes of light

>>383029867
Fucking bethesda.

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>lvl 80
>enemies lvl 2 keep starting battles

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>losing a battle doesn't make you lose the game
>you can delay story battles to finish getting ready
>if you can no longer delay them and you're stuck, you can ask the game to lower the difficulty of said battle in exchange for final score points

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>the game raises red flag that the end of the game is near
>you're not sure if it has a post-game option so you make you sure you do absolutely everything else before taking on the final boss
>you utterly destroy the fucker without any kind of challenge because of this

>>382997001
fuck that noise. this is what happens when your character is having identity issues.

>always go high END and STR for Warrior, Fighter or Barbarian; whatever class the rpg in question calls it
>managed to beat every single game following my own formula

you guys just don't have the autism.

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>>383035065
>there's no post-game anyway

>>382997447
is there an RPG that lets your unused party members training while you're away? hated this about Neverwinter Nights 2.

The only modern RPG where I restarted because I completely misunderstood how to play the game was Blackguards(essentially, I was not prepared for the Chapter 2 gauntlet)

Everything else, even if it was hard , it gave you a chance to backtrack and regroup

>game gives you the coolest and most powerful item right before the final boss
>there's nothing after for you to play around with your new gear

>/v/ always talks about how easy Chrono Trigger is and how you can't actually die in it
>finally play the game
>get stuck on Golem Twins, get my ass kicked every single time
G-good joke guys

>>383035686
>Beat Vanilla Fable
>Sacrifice your sister for the Sword
>The worst you can kill is balverines

>>383035874
Since they adapt to your attacks and their psychical attacks hurt the most, abuse magic, switching elements to make them waste actions and you will be fine

>>383035874
>>/v/ always talks about how easy Chrono Trigger is and how you can't actually die in it
you got memed
>look at how HARDCORE we are, NO game is hard, you literally CAN'T DIE IN ANY GAME
>if you say otherwise you're bad

>RPG
>only one viable way to play
>"rebalance" mod
>still only one but different viable option

>>383035874
>He did not abuse Hypno wave
Also, elemental vests make this even simpler.

>>383003537
Just stick with one game and finish it
If not, try to keep it to a few game
I have that problem
Currently, got a few game in session
Rebuilding Roman empire in total war
Building my own empire in CK2
Second story for SWTOR
And a few more

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>>383035686
>Get a better sword on the way to the final boss than the ultimate sword the plot gives you
What the hell SO2?

Is this the Age of Decadence general?

>>383002928
that's why grim dawn is so much better. every tree synergises with each other if you pick the right skills.

>>383037040
I restarted solely so I could kill Miltiades

>>383004863
>All the options we offer in our game is staggering
>only one way works
>options
It's good this trend is dying.

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>>383009952
Dunno man.

>>383024792
well you could say they are all main characters and Vaan is just the lens of the ignorant player that knows nothing of the world

The best part of FF12 is side benching Vaan and Penelo

>>383000905
what? Discovery that the game has no options? No thanks, I'll just play a better game, then.

>>383037726
What game did you play in the last 20 years that as so lacking in options, you could not progress if you did anything different?
Just curious

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>no one mentions The Last Remnant

>>383025778
>that one magic sword that scales with int
>int fighters immediately viable

>that one hat that adds str damage to spells
>muscle mages viable

see, not that hard with only number tweaks. there's thousands of other ways as well.

>>383038105
someone did >>383026496

>>383038105
Nobody played the Last Remnant.
It just exists.

>>383032505
>Level 5 death

>>383038282
Ha, Rush does suck.

I just ctrl+f'd and didn't find it the title.

>>383038350
Hey man, i tried to play it. Many times.

>STILL no good Wild West FPS RPG game where you can be the saviour of a city or a bandit
>You can duel people but that could lead to unforeseen circumstances where you lose ways to finish a quest
>Everyone is killable so you can be a Western serial murderer with the repercussion of your home gets raided by bounty hunters and get burned down and you have to live nomadically in caves and hunt rabbits for food

>>383038105
this game is pure garbage

>>383038615
But its not, its just.. different.

>play an RPG
>don't level combat skills or attributes to a proficient level
>can't hit enemy
>confused why you're missing an attack

>>383037570
TILTOWAIT

>>383008852
Pic unrelated, I assume? Honestly, that applies more to Oblivion and Skyrim than to Morrowind, and even then every single Elder Scrolls game is extremely forgiving compared to the vast majority of RPGs when it comes to making a poor build thanks to the fact that they don't lock you out from skills based on your class. But Morrowind's by far the most forgiving of them all since it has the least level scaling elements, which actually makes the non-combat skills even more useful since you can use speech, stealth, or mobility skills and spells to gain access to the best items to make up for your lack of combat stats, instead of those items not existing or literally being scaled down to your level.

The only TES game the OP would even remotely apply to is Battlespire, since if you put your points in skills instead of attributes you are fucked because skills can level by grinding but are capped at the value of their governing attribute, so it's a complete waste of points to level skills beyond getting the minimum effectiveness out of them to be useable.

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>>383030198
>Boss joins your party
>He is just as strong as he was as a boss and has all the same stats

>>383008852
>I've never played Morrowind
You could not have possibly picked a worse example. If that game has any problem it's that builds AREN'T restrictive enough and combat is too easy. Fuck Bethesda games and how you always become a master of everything after enough time.

>>383020542
maybe in America. in the rest of the world most kids can read at 5 years old

>>383029867
>level scaling
>you have to avoid that location or it will permanently lock to your level

>>383037686
>benching Vaan and Penelo
>only applies to combat because both are in cutscenes regardless of your feelings for them
>characters don't really interact with anything or anyone during combat
>benching Vaan, the best combat character in the game

>>383000905
>read in-game what tye different skills and stats do
>one stat/skill sounds OP as shit
>spec into it
>shit's the worst thing ever because the stat/skill is actually shit but was worded awkwardly/doesn't do anything in the first place
Fun.

>>383020542
If your parents didn't read to you and teach you how to read basic words as a child then I feel bad for you. I was playing and reading NES games when I was four. Sure, I didn't know all the words, but my mom was always around to help me out with those.

>>383041972
>Your parents let you play video games as a child
No wonder you ended up on this site instead of becoming successful.

>>383042301
video games are for children though

>>383042301
>being on this site
>not successful
????

>>383041676
>benching Vaan, the best combat character in the game

Dude, in vanilla, IZJS, and Zodiac Age, stats mean shit when you can max out most stats anyways. Anyways, equipment and gambits were always more important than overall max stats.
You can use anyone you like, and even if Vaan and Penelo are just kids tagging on a field trip, they add a comedic dynamic to the overall serious cast. Besides, you can play from the four better characters.

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>rpg
>no character customization
>voiced

I remember when I played Sword of Mana I made a physical only character and then there was a boss that had insane defense and I couldn't touch it and I was supposed to use magic but I didn't have any LOL

There was probably something I was missing but fuck that game