HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

60 bones
>unga bunga

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>70€ for an early access survival game

>>382993953
They do not have any shame. Steam is filled with cancer

>>382993953
Why would I shelve out my precious rocks for an incomplete wheel

how has valve not kicked these fuckers out of early access yet?

seriously, how is an early access game allowed to have an expansion?

can anyone explain this to me?

>>382994202
>been in early access for like 3years now

>>382994274
Neither does their playerbase, so they may as well milk them on Steam/PS4/Xbone.

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>>382993953
>Elite Dangerous
>Release Expansion
>Same price as base game

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It's supposed to be a 'complete' game in August, when they're releasing it. They're just putting the price to the full price with a full release.

Simbly ebic :DDD

>>382994342
cause early access is just a means for devs to say "you can't complain about bugs or an incomplete game!"

Games like this and Dayz wont come out of early access because when they do people can refund them.

>>382994541
Wait, does every early access game give players the rite to refund it regardless of time played?

>>382994713
when a game changes from early access to released the refund timer goes down to zero and you have 2 weeks or 2 hours to refund it.

>>382993953
Damn I didn't expect them to do that. Lucky me I guess, I bought it while on sale a few years ago.

>>382995010
>lucky me
>owns ARK

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>DLC for an early access game

>>382993953
>Early access
>Expansion pack
>DLC in a early access game

Wew talk about getting cancer through the internet.

>>382994541
Isn't dayz abandoned by the game developers? Im surprised that steam hasn't removed it yet.

Honestly this game would be fun if it didn't require to to have no fucking life to do well in official servers
>Official servers have a ridiculous fucking tame time. To tame ANYTHING worthwhile you'll be spending 5 real life hours, and anything great you'll spend 10-15 real life hours
>You can't just go afk during this period either, you need to be there the entire time putting fresh food into the tame and keeping it knocked out
>During this entire time you can be killed or have someone show up and kill your knocked out tame
>Official servers don't reset unless there's a massive update, so for months on end the biggest tribes dominate the fucking game by having people constantly taking shifts taming stuff, and endlessly bullying the players who don't have enough time to build ridiculous mega bases and tame a shit load of stuff
>On top of all of this high end weapons and building materials are locked behind levels, so you can't even fucking effectively fight back, or build a strong base even if you have the supplies unless you grind fucking levels
Seriously, I enjoyed the fuck out of the game on private servers, but official are just cancer

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>mfw brought base game + scorched earth for 25 nz dollaredoos two days ago and and its $73 here now.

>we want the brick and mortar audience
>on digital

>>382995630
>>382995694
>kiwi
>frogposter
>can't even post
>boasts about buying early access survival shovelware

You literally can't make this up

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>>382995694
Congratulations you bought a shitty ass game.

Why is this piece of shit even remotely popular? It looks awful.

>>382993953
I hope they get a massive wave of refunds when they come out of early access and go bankrupt. The longer they wait and the harder they milk people, the more refunds they'll have to deal with. Retards won't get tired of their shit but they'll get tired of the game eventually.

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>>382993953

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>>382993953
>Game runs like dogshit
>70 dollars for a full early access game
>its still boring as hell
>server and hacker problems
I hope steam stops these faggots

>>382993953
if the game finnish his EA that means we can ask a refund day one right ?

day one
p i r a t e

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>>382994713
It's SHOULD work to discourage devs from keeping their game in Early Access for ludicrous lengths of time
But

>another early access scam
>dont buy into early access scams anymore
>complaining cucks crying because they havent learned their lesson yet

>>382996058
SEVENTY
SIX
EUROS

FOR A FUCKING SHITTY BROKEN DINOSAUR SURVIVAL GAME

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Hmm... I see...

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>>382996201
Wonder what bohemia is thinking right now. Literally everyone that bought DayZ Standalone is waiting for its official release and there sure as hell will be threads on steam telling people to refund it immediately.

Didn't they get bought out by chinks and sued for $40M USD by dungeon defenders fags because of some non-competition clause because the lead designer made DD?

>>382996414
>A year overdue
>Planned EA-time doubled with no sign of completion in sight

Can't believe they had the balls to try and flog an expansion during this time too

"r e t a i l p a r i t y"
hahahahahahaha

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>>382995694
>bought a half-made garbage for half the price
You sure are a winner, anon.

>>382996472
They know that everyone is waiting to refund it, doubt that it will ever get finished.

>>382994838
Wait, so doesn't that mean early access games are essentially free?

You can play the game until you get bored and once you stopped playing and it leaves early access you can refund your money.

H1Z1 DLC

>>382996058
Thank fuck they dropped the € = £ meme

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>>382996118
>they take a cut from every sale
>I hope steam stops
Really now?
Look at all the garbage they are selling.
Gaben will allow anything in if there is a chance to rip a dime out of it.

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>>382996642
But they haven't dropped the $ = € meme.

>>382996613
yes that's part of the risk of early access

>>382995694
Jokes on you

>>382996613
The idea is you minimise the time spent in EA, quickly finish it and make sure you go live with a good game that people still want to keep and play
The IDEA anyway

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>People shit on FC Primal but eat this awful garbage up with a smile

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>>382996642
Forgot pic

>>382996695
Yeah it costs about £10 more here but who really gives a fuck about a shitty dino game

>>382993953
>60€ for an unoptimized mess of a game

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PC gaming has become the cancer of the industry.

Underage meme ironic weebs.
Worship of streamers.
Gorillion survival MMO rougelike shitfests.
Steam is full of LITERAL trash games no ne cares about.
Best thing people hopefor are console ports.

>>382994342
>seriously, how is an early access game allowed to have an expansion?
There is no "Early Access". It's just another marketing spin to sell broken games.
Of course, broken games can have expansions.

>>382996794
not trying to defend it here but this DLC clearly isn't meant for you to buy it all

not that EA should have DLC at all though

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>>382996676
what the fuck happened to our lord, he used to be /ourguy/

>Got it on Humble monthly
I don't even know what to do anymore, can I play this on single player? Will I get fucked up hard?

>>382996935
he got older

>>382994420
To be fair, they each had equal amounts of Fucking Nothing to them.

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>>382996472
this my first major steam purchase and i regret every cent i gave to bohemia, hopefuly steam won't remove it before refund rush

>>382994318

Because not enough complainers.

Valve kicked one of those developers off because they were trying to legally bully Steam users for leaving negative reviews so Gaben told them to fuck off with their asset flipping shovelware trash. The other got kicked off because one of those fat fag e-celebs specifically called the game out for being a scam (it claimed it had nine levels, it only had one. And it was apparently a basic Unity map creation tutorial, to boot)

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>>382993953
I felt ripped off when I bought on sale for like 10 bucks
jesus

>>382996935
Maximum jewing.
>there's literally nothing wrong with paid mods

>>382996613
>and it leaves early access

You're assuming early access games will leave early access. Hasn't DayZ been in development for five years now?

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>maximum of 18 months in Early Access
>customers get 2 hours of time to refund when the game leaves early access just like when they buy the game

Would this fix EA?

>>382998865
It's a bad idea inherently. You can't fix it.

>>382993953
The optimization is shitty as well
If you have a lappy dont even dream of running it.
I don't get how people actually like and buy this shit.

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>>382998865
The only fix to early access is bullet to the head of the people who buy games without any research or based on pure promises. I didn't buy Factorio or Rimworld because of the possibility of space end-game in Factorio or more drug types in Rimworld, I bought them because they already were worth the price at that point and devs have shown repeatedly that they care about their games and they care about implementing new features on time. If people cannot do such a simple task and buy Minecraft based on promises of it being new dwarf-fortress then there's no fix to the system: idiots will always be around and they will continue to fuck up and complain regardless of the given product.

It's that fucking easy, people.

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>>382999143
>GTX670
>buy game
>runs at 20fps at medium
>35 on low
>shadows cut off abruptly and completely at 10m distance
>everything else in fullbright
>textures look like something out of System Shock 2
>jaggies everywhere
>big rocks and trees popping in at 25m distance
>35 fps that likes to drop to 10 for some moments
>cocksleeves tell me it's my PC that's too old and I need to upgrade
>I can boot up any game between 2005 and 2010 and get much better graphics while running it at 80fps+ stable

>>382998865
no, people would play the game until they are tired of it in early access and then refund it once it got released and development time is so different depending on developer so a set time wouldn't do new indie developers any good
have the developers set a release date instead that is realistic (no 10 years in the future for an 2d indie platform game) and allow them to postpone it max 6months else they have to refund the costumers who wants a refund
it will scare away unserious developers but they might release unfinished games instead

>>383000158
Learn to use punctuation, retard.

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>>383000282
no

Hi there! I am a developer who currently has A game in early access on steam. Yes, it has a ton of bugs and is missing a ton of content. It would take me years to finish the game and honestly if I released it today out of early access I wouldn't make any more money off of it since it's pretty well hidden now but when it first came out it was very popular. There is only a downside to releasing it out of early access and that's that my customers would refund it, so, explain to me why it's beneficial to me to release my game from EA when I can keep it in EA and keep all the money?

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>>383000828
You're meant to be releasing updates that make more people want to play your game.

Who the fuck buys games at full price, got it on steam sale for 22 yuros. Obviously as a video game company they need money , kinda glad they will milk consoles.

I see no problem with that, there are far worse EA games that are never finished.

>>383000158
>no, people would play the game until they are tired of it in early access and then refund it once it got released
its already happening you retard. KF2 release was a disaster. There were non stop threads telling people to refund the game. Rightfully so I must say
Now that they were made an example no other trash multiplayer twitch bait game will ever leave EA, devs literally have no initiative to ever finish their games. Its all fucked.
A limit on EA will force these scumbags to actually work

>>383000828
name your game just so I can buy it and then refund. If you dont want people refunding make a good fucking game
You shoot yourself in the foot when you release EA you cant finish it. You basically lie to your customers and you deserve everything you get

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>>382993953
>full price for an unfinished game which looks and runs like shit
>paid DLC for an unfinished game in general

>>382998865
>>383001796
12 months for simple platformers, easy to make games
24 months for complex games with many features
16 months for survival games

There really needs to be an 18 month or 2 year max length for how long you can keep something in EA before letting people refund it regardless.

>>382999721
You had a good point until

>buy Minecraft based on promises of it being new dwarf-fortress
which is a terrible example. Sure, minecraft exists in a perpetual beta state, but it also cost us like $15, 8 years ago (and they haven't asked for a dime since) while doing nothing but continuously added new upgrades and features every six months since that point. You may not personally like the game, but that kind of ROI is unprecedented.

>>383001796
I think the point is that the current EA model does not incentivize finishing games, which is supposed to be the idea.

>>383002161
3 years for everything is a realistic non discriminating mark. Any longer and its a confirmed vaporware

>>382994420
>see new paradox game
>lets buy it
>pay 60€
>dlcs start comming out after a while
>pay 120€ for all dlcs

Why is this allowed?

>>383001796
I understand your anger but the way the system is set up is to incentivize me to never release from EA and to only release Addons, DLC, Microtransactions and new content and charge for it. Why would release from EA when I can make so much more money staying in and still able to release DLC? I'd be shooting myself in the foot by releasing from EA.

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>>382996603
How is that even legal, isn't that some sort of fraud.

>>383002784
Am I remembering wrong, or did there used to be a time limit on which games could be in early access before it was later removed?

>>382993953

>70€ for an early access game

>Its still in early access, yet it haves paid
DLC

>>383002809
>3 years for everything is a realistic non discriminating mark.
Honestly that's probably way too generous. 3 years for the full development cycle, sure. But you're not going into EA on your first day. EA products have got to be at least a late alpha, just to be in a shape where they can be boxed up and handed to a consumer. Ideally, it would just be more like a formal system for beta testing.

Aaaand of course, as soon as I say that, it becomes obvious what they should be doing. Just use the crowdfund model. You're the interested gamer, you put your money in the pot, and you get access to the beta. When they deliver, the money goes out of the pot and over to the dev. If they don't deliver in the promised time, all the money is auto-refunded.

>>383003373
>How is that even legal, isn't that some sort of fraud.
It's only fraud if they violate the terms of their contract with the consumer. There's no set time limit in the contract, so not delivering within a time limit isn't a violation.

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>>382993953
>Early Access
>60 dollars
>DLC
>People are still buying this and defending it
>Steam is allowing this to happen
WAKE ME UP

>>382996935
>he used to be /ourguy/
He was never the common consumer's "guy." You're a fool if you think any of these fat suits care about you or your desires in the slightest.

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What is this fucking bullshit, the EU commission should start a fucking investigation on steam and fine their shit greedy ass

>>383004493
Most high EU prices have to do with VAT.

>>383004493
Not Valve who sets the prices, but a hefty fine for some publishers would do good and set an example. Plus we could use fleecing the Burgers some more, all that fine money sure is handy.

Early Access games should have a limit of 3 years, if the game by that time hasn't come out at least in beta then it should fuck right off wasting space on Steam, then again it'll never work since that means less money for Gabe

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>>383004493
>>383004615
Anonymously report it and see what happens. Lets set some shit up.

>>382993953
70 EUROPEAN DOLLARS
0

>>383004576
pretty much all developed countries have VAT including UK and aus obviously so that doesn't make any sense

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>>383004656
>snitching to the EU to punish these fuckers and forcibly collect our neetbux from American companies

Good idea, gonna do just that.

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>In this video I'll show the changes for Overgrowth Alpha 1.61, which you can try if you pre-ordered.

people like to meme about early access, are there any that are actually good? I've played a few and the stand out title to me is subnautica, though the performance is mostly still shit.

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>>383005095
>gonna do just that.
>holding intense hope that you're being serious

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Expansion crap aside, what features was ARK supposed to have originally before the devs considered it to be 'finished'? Are they just pulling off a Minecraft 1.8 right now or something?

>>383004994
US doesn't have it for digital goods.
Australia was just added recently, so they got a price hike a few months ago if the devs bothered to change the price. Their GST is still only 10%, lower than the +20% you find in most EU countries.
UK price isn't much lower there. Currency fluctuations can cause that stuff.

>>382996613
Maybe devs shouldn't leave their game in early access for 3 years then

>>382996201
KF2 would be a relatively good example of how to use Early Access, if it wasn't for that fucking cash store they introduced.

Microtransactions are LITERALLY making the game industry worse because it means developers can make a lot of money for minimal effort, hence there's no motivation to actually make new games. Rockstar and Valve are a good examples of how companies go to shit after they start using microtransactions; neither have released a real game in over 4 years.

>>382994464
>>382996832
As much as I adore many games, that are in early access, most of them are broken as shit.

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>Combat was never revamped to be fun or fluid
>Dino AI is still absolutely awful
>Instead of an actual ecosystem like promised, carnivores just run around killing everything in sight 24/7 until they finally get killed by their prey
>Raiding and PVP is still just finding the best way to cheese the opponents autoturrets
>Fliers got nerfed
>Oxygen got nerfed (RIP Server 355 Aqualads)
>Grinding is more painful then ever
>Server transfers are back so the Chinese dominate half the servers

Where did it all go so wrong?

>>383005264
Just contact your European Consumer Centre, they'll either handle it or more likely forward you or your complain to the appropriate entity.

>>383005805
The more likely scenario is that they call you a retard because you can't into economics 101

>>383004493
to be honest with you family, putting the australian flag there is a meme since we just get the burger store

>>383005256
Blackwake, Rimworld, Factorio (if you have autism), Stonehearth, Squad, and Subnautica are all pretty good.

Believe it or not, Ark was good at one point too. I bought it as soon as it came up on EA and it had a ton of promise. I had a blast on Ark, but as the years went on it all went to shit. The game was pretty much dead before Scorched Earth was even released.

>>382996596
>for half the price

it's one third of the price, you stupid shitbag, and it's a good game. sorry your poor ass budget card cant run it

>>383002920
>buy sims 3
>620 euros

Oh shit boi

>Early access game
>Release a PAID DLC to go along with the game that technically ISN'T finished
>going on three years in early access
>lump the paid DLC into the base game so people have to pay SIXTY FUCKING DOLLARS for a game that ISN'T FINISHED

My blood status: boiling [x]

>>383006013
I have ark, subnautica, squad, and pubg. I was thinking of trying out dead cells, that seems pretty decent.

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>>382993953
>this game

>>382994342
They keep the early access on there so that they can have their anti-criticism filter.

>>383005890
t. Burger

You'd have said the same about the Google case, but in the end you Burgers had to cough up €2.4bn.

>>382996472
>the white hot steamy butthurt of dayzcucks when the game gets turbo refunded and they cry about people "stealing fun"

>buying early access survival shit
>ever
PC gamer for 15+ years, never bought any of this trash.

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>>382995694
>mfw bought base game for 7.49 months ago

>Early access game has an expansion
>People ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT
Jesus Christ fuck this industry and everyone who bought this shit.

>>382993953
>Ark went up in price
>You have to pay for survival of the fittest
Why

Sometimes I enjoy playing ARK in solo mode. Any good custom server presets for making solo not too easy and not too grindy?

People complaining about a "sudden" price increase when it was announced on January 2016 at least that they will increase the price along with the full release. The FAQ is still there in the steam forums for the game.

>>382999729
>RX480
>play on high quality 60fps
>game looks good

Does it have legal benefits keeping it "early acces" for that long?

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>>383006615
I think you know why.

>>382993953
>70€
>70 Eurobucks
>65 in Burgerbucks
Never go full Kike

>>383006615

The absolute tip top level of kikery

early access was a mistake

Valve really needs to put a time limit on how long a game can be early access for.

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>>383006874
Doubt it, it's just a really easy way of deflecting any criticism.

Why anyone would pay full retail price for something deemed to be unfinished by the developers themselves however just blows my mind.

How the FUCK do I increase structure limit in single player? I've upped the .ini value but it seems to have no correspondence to my SP 'server'. And yes, I've made sure to save the .ini, exit the game (even rebooted my PC) and started it back up again. My autism and 400 found^2 pyramid base demands an answer.

>>382994342
If they were to ever leave EA there would be a crashing wave of refunds like in Killing Floor 2.

>>383006225
>t. Burger
Wrong.

First off, steam doesn't set the prices, the devs do.
Secondly, the devs are free to set the prices for each region however they want. This is why poorfag countries like Russia end up paying less.
Thirdly, there is nothing unfair about the prices for most games. Say the devs want to make $60 from a purchase before valve's cut, so they sell it for $60 in the US. However, to get $60 (which equals 52.80€ at current rates) from a purchase coming from a European country, they need to sell it between 63.40€ and 66€ depending on the VAT of the EU country (price examples are at 20% and 25%). ARK is a bit above this range which is pretty rare, but probably has to do with jews. They released an expansion for an EA game after all.

>>382996613
Hence why it's still in early access.

>>382993953
There needs to be a law against this shit. If I were to buy a car with a missing engine, I wouldn't be expected to pay the same amount for a car WITH a fully functioning engine.

>>382996613
In theory, yes. But they still have to LEAVE early access. And I honestly don't see DayZ, Ark, or Battlegrounds doing that for that very reason.

it's one thing to increase your game's price to $60

it's one thing to have an expansion pack to your early access game

but to not fucking INCLUDE THE "EXPANSION PACK" BY DEFAULT IN YOUR $60 PRICETAG TITLE IS FUCKING CRAZY

>tfw got it for $13
>haven't even tried it

$16 on G2A

>>383007073
>Why anyone would pay full retail price for something deemed to be unfinished by the developers themselves however just blows my mind.
A lot of people say "well at least they're honest about it." and others come from the time when most good, multiplayer games were "early access" before the term existed. Take Killing Floor 1, for instance. The game was being updated for years. Did anyone who bought it before the final update buy an unfinished game, or did they buy a finished game that was getting new content? That line is very, very blurry.

>>383007305
>There needs to be a law against this shit

If you read anything you'll see that most EA games say when theyre released that the price is subject to change at any time.

>>382995581
This or you need a large tribe of people in different time zones.
Game is actually awesome on private servers, PVP or PvE.
>That said, I got it in a humble monthly and wouldn't recommend it for this full price.

>>382995010
>Damn I didn't expect them to do that

Because you buy things without paying attention.

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>>383007592
Never got into KF1 but wasn't the game sold at a discount price from the start? That's the major difference

>>383005564
>KF2 would be a relatively good example of how to use Early Access

Cosmetics are NOT the issue with this fucking game, but rather half year wait for an minor update, and instead of using players who want to be beta testers to give feedback, but instead use interns to do the beta test and bot listen to anything?

>H-here's the big update guys, the pvp mode
>We never wanted pvp, why did you waste your time on this
>Stop complaining, this is FREE CONTENT

>>383007774
Oh, I didn't realize you specifically meant 60 bucks as full retail price. Yeah, all the examples I can think of are A or AA priced at best. What was Payday 2 at release? 40?

>>383007132
nvm fixed it :^)

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>you can refund games if they leave early access
>IF
Who the fuck thought up this bullshit? That's incentivising devs never to finish a game. Should give a full unconditional refund right to every early access purchase.

>>382993953
>paid expansion in an early access game

Valve seriously needs to stop allowing this. DLC even cosmetics of any type should instantly violate your "EA" release and should get you pulled from the store.

>>383005345
>USA doesn't have VAT
They have sales tax which is the same fucking thing! Not a federal but a states tax.

how to fix EA
>no dlc of any kind or your game is removed from the store
>full refunds at any point during the EA release
>EA games without an update for longer than 6 months are instantly pulled from the store and all users are refunded

>>383009027
This should seriously be a thing

>>383009232
Also a maximum limit to EA. Maybe 1 year. After that your game is "released" whether you want it or not.

So I can refund it once it leaves EA?

Will I get the price I paid or get the new price back?

>>383009232
>Full refunds during EA
Would be nice but kinda unfair if some turbo autist with 600 hours gets bored and decides to refund

>>382995173
IMBECIL

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>>383009404
>Will I get the price I paid or get the new price back?
Are you for real? A refund is a refund not a license to print money.

>>383009681
You never know desu

>>383009710
Have you never, ever done a real life refund? You have to show proof of purchase... and the price you paid is listed on that. You only get back what you paid.

>>383007774
I think KF1's base price outside of sales was always $20 US. The game came out nine months after the mod version's final update, and it initially shipped with five maps.

>>382999729
>bought for $30 two years ago
>ran like shit on minimum graphics on a 290x
>feel ripped off
>fired it up a few weeks back
>still runs like shit on minimum graphics on a 290x
>still feel ripped off

EA never again

>>383009513
true but imo EA should be decentivised. It also deters developers from completely changing the game experience during the EA to something that even the fans no longer want.

>>383010051

...Joe?

>>383004493
So. i should move to Russ so i can get cheap games?

>>382999729
670 is shit m8 u bought the wrong card

>>383011125
If you want a few more strings attached, yes.