What's /v/'s opinion on XCOM 2?

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>>382981172
Don't mind me.
I'm just gonna materialize from behind this tree, run half way across the map dodging overwatch fire and critically stun one of your best soldiers in one turn.

>>382982905
Oh jaysus

>>382982361
Yeah, stun lancers can get fucked.

>>382982905
kys faggot

>>382982905
>xcom threads are forever ruined with bara faggotry

well, to the trash it goes, along with Pokemon XD and Yoshi games

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>>382982905
DAMN SON

>>382982905
Fags are literally the worst thing to happen to this world, you literally cannot dispute this.

>>382985576

I was going to say waifufags are worse, but even retarded snek waifufags who post vore fanart don't do it in every thread.

>>382982905
THICC

>>382982905
And here I was thinking of checking out XCOM threads. Silly me.

Why are people saying the thread was ruined by a single barapost, when OP's obvious bait pic has anonymous and kekestain?

obviously this thread was meant to be shit from the start.

Bought it cheap, played it for a while, had fun.

Long War 2 any good? That infiltration shit looks tedious.

>>382982905
fuck fuck, fuck you.

>>382985576
they are children of the devil according to the bible, made to be taken and destroyed

>>382986579
I hated the original mod for how it handled wounds, if any of your guys takes a single point of damage they are out for several weeks minimum. Complete and total bullshit, Long War 2 seems to be the same shit.

I think the long war guys are taking the game in the wrong direction. Like a bunch of hardcore dnd guys who play a version of the game like, seven people like to play.

Also, did they screw up the rng even more? I got my first terror mission and there was no faceless. Also raid missions are happening whenever the hell they feel like it.

And another thread ruined by degenerate faggots.

>>382986579

No, it definitely makes the game more tedious.

And I still don't understand what the fuck they're doing with stealth. So 100% stealth missions were never intended, but the Shinobi class is dedicated to a stealth build? I don't get it.

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>>382986691
>If any soldier takes plasma to their face to the point that their armor melts, they have to go to the hospital
WOOOOOOW, artificial difficulty
Enjoying some I/I LW right now.

>>382981172
Apart from being unplayable on launch, having completely worthless shit DLC and your guerilla rebels turning into power rangers, I fucking love it.

>>382987062
>unplayable on launch

I played it on laptop and I had no trouble, apart of waiting 10 seconds everytime Central had something to say and apart of that my GPU melted in the final mission.

Now I play it on 1070 and easy life. Can't wait for War of the Chosen.

>>382987048
Fuck you, one point of damage from any source at all equals a soldier out of commission for weeks. I wouldn't even care at all if the system actually took into account what they were hit by but it blatantly doesn't, they just made inflated the numbers that calculate wound severity and called it a day.

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>>382987239
First, one point of damage does NOTHING to armor. Second, what are the "harmless" sources of damage that shouldnt put your soldier to ICU?
>Plasma
>Alien potent venom
>Grenade explosion
>Alien mind fuck
All those are fucking horrible. How do you expect to walk away after being hit by that?

>>382987239
They also have futuristic blue mist healing technology. They should be able to recover quicker.

>>382987464
That healing mist isnt healing, it stops the bleeding and numbs the pain. It does nothing to treat the injury. It just puts the soldier on its legs to finish the mission.

>>382987416

Realism really isn't a good argument with these games desu.

What matters most is balance. Is the game balance better or worse with wound recovery time that lasts months?

it's xcom 1 dlc, I was disappointed

>>382987165
>works on my machine

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>>382987860
Yeah sorry forgot to attach

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>>382987585
>Realism really isn't a good argument with these games desu.
Ok, lets talk balance.

>Is the game balance better or worse with wound recovery time that lasts months?
Yes, yes it is. It forces you to have large amount of soldiers. While those recovering from wounds are out, you are playing with your other soldiers. You are aware that you should be having around 40 soldiers, right? You can do with less, but you will be struggling to make the ends meet. I have little over 30 right now since I fucked up. I learned to not be a bitch and continue the game even when I lost 5 best soldiers in one mission, lost bomb mission by 1 tile and got several man killed across many missions.

>the ending wasn't for a TFTD remake
fuck man

>>382987964
No, its horrible. It results in a complete luck of the draw early game where you can easily just fuck yourself out of ever having any hope of progressing because you can't even deploy a full squad.

>>382982905
Yo wtf is this???? Is this a mod? Source please!!

>>382981172
I just finished it and I'm not playing long war with a few other mods.

It's fun and I cannot wait for the dlc.

>>382987416
>That webm
*PANICKED*

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>>382988229
What is early game for you? You should be deploying 5 rookies + 1 shotgun all march. You either are taking too much damage or you dont have enough soldiers. Which is it?

>>382988229

Early game RNG isn't that bad because you can just restart the campaign without losing too many hours.

>>382988523
What RNG are we talking? What is happening to you boys that you need to restart?

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>>382987964
>First X-Com is EU
>Didn't have internet on demand
>Encounter a new enemy in a terror mission
>Some shitty melee bug, probably goes down real easy and relies on swam tactics but there's only 5 so it shouldn't be so bad

>mfw when one kills my best soldier in my squadron of 5 with one swipe
>mfw more Chryssalids start getting made
>mfw the Thin Men and Sectoids I've faced up until then were pussy bitches compared to the whopping 6-7 health of a Chyssalid's bulky girth
>mfw only one soldier in my squadron gets out alive because the other survivor couldn't kill two Chryssalids at once, except by blowing them all up with his grenade
>mfw that was the moment I realized I love X-Com

>>382988374
I WANNA GO HOOOOOOMEUGHG

>>382985576
But non whites exist.

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>>382988738
>Playing LW terror mission
>active seekers who fuck off killing civs
>another activation from behind
>struggle for cover, getting flanked
>5 Chryssies with a leader show up next turn
>1 Zombie slowly marches towards me
>flashbang chryssies, kill some of them, get to a stable position
>Flashed chryssies cant reach me, feelds good
>Zombie burst from inside, new chryssie runs right up to my face
>No cover or even space to move further back
>next turn my zombified soldier kills another
I am split between "That's XCOM baby" and "Fucking bullshit". Seriously, newly spawned chryssies should have only gold move.

>>382982905

Fuck you leatherboy

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>cringey alt right memers

>>382988487
>>382988585
>Start Long War
>Half of squad in first deployment end up wounded
>Snowball builds from there as more soldiers end up wounded, rookies slaughtered
>Within a few missions can't deploy full squad, don't have funding to get more rookies
It happened at least 50% of the time I tried playing Long War. Sure once you get established and can maintain 30+ troops it stops being an issue, but the fact that you can end up being fucked right out the door just shows the changes were game breaking bullshit that didn't have enough thought put into them.

>>382987416
>that webm
I remember seeing that episode. Fuck

>>382989254
Fuck off /leftypol/

>>382982905
Seriously who finds this attractive?
I like bara, but these nipples ruin everything

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>>382989306
I am just gonna say it, but it sounds like you suck at this game. You really shouldnt be having dead rookies in march and no wound should even be a problem at that time since you are to bring 5 new rookies and one SPEC with shotgun every mission. Its literally impossible to fuck march due to wound timers.

Its really not until summer when wounds start being a problem since you dont have carapace yet, but aliens have high enough aim to hit you in high cover. At that time, Medic with Field Surgeon and an officer with stay frosty are golden.

>>382988585
>99% chance to hit
>miss the shot
>ennemy chance to hit : 20%
>3 hits + CRITICAL HIT

repeat that 5 time in a row, RNG is shit no matter how you want to put it and i'm talking about any other kind of game that use this shit

real choice would be like 7.62 High Caliber when chance to hit are based on character skill and experience and even if you miss the point you were aiming at, there's still chance that you could injure the ennemy or hit his friend behind him because the bullets are actually modeled and will deal damage to anything they hit

>>382989791
>7.62 High Caliber
Man I wish this game wasn't so janky and broken

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>>382989791
Yeah the odds of that actually happening is so small that its the "Thats XCOM baby" moment when it happens. One dead soldier isnt reason to restart the campaign. You are supposed to go toe to toe with aliens in LW. My list of casualties is huge. Still going.

What you have to accept is that the game goes on. Just continue, it will get better, and then worse, but continue.

>>382989791
>the bullets are actually modeled and will deal damage to anything they hit
Wait till your sniper accidentally misses and shots your front liner dead. Then you would be whining about how thats bullshit, wouldnt you?

>>382989982
>What you have to accept is that the game goes on. Just continue, it will get better, and then worse, but continue.
i tried but i gave up, i just hate anything that is RNG and so far i think i've lost only a dozen of units

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>>382990215
Fair, its hard. I played LW for a long time but only now did I completely embrace the ironman. Here is a tip though. And it may sound obvious, but after you have horrible mission with losses, play another one. Even if its squad wipe. Play another mission. Because thats the way you realize that it wasnt campaign ending loss.

>>382990109
well it never happened to me because i never place a friendly unit in front of an other one except during close quarter when one is kneeling/prone and the other standing behind him, but
>placing your friendly units in front of your sniper
>giving the marksman gun to the guy that can't aim for shit
>not using sniper unit to flank the ennemy and shoot it from afar while your main group does a diversion
you need to read some military books anon, it help sometimes for these games

>>382990448
Now I know you arent playing Long War. If you did, you would know that strategy doesnt mean shit there and its just about making the best of a situation. Most of the time you cant be picky about cover, you are just happy that you have some.

rather than fix the design, namely the entire game being designed around defensive play, they added timed objectives to force you to make bad decisions

its always creepy when developers don't understand how the playerbase actually approaches a game, or what they find satisfying

I suppose it's because a few screeching idiots say 'git gud' or 'normal people agree with bad design'

>>382990609
>Now I know you arent playing Long War
i did tried long war
i insta gave up after playing the first mission becasue how shit the RNG was and how i hated everything about it
i would recommend it to people who like these kidn of games tho because it really crank up the difficulty, but again i certainly won't fucking play this shit ever again

>>382990617
I really like "True concealment" mod where the timers dont start until you are revealed. Now only does that push the timers from "you better sprint to the objective buddy" to "Its time to stop overwatch walling and move", but it make so much more sense in narrative.

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>>382990751
Thats fair. Though it wouldnt be right if I didnt say the usual. LW should feel less RNG than vanilla, since you are given many tools to handle the situations from the get go. Its harder, true, but you have more opportunity to prepare for it.

If we are talking Vanilla, then yes, losing a soldier or two is pretty devastating, but you should have a B-team, or atleast half a team (3 soldiers) that you level up occasionally. That way when you lose soldiers, you dont have to bring rookies to late game missions.

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THE AVATAR PROJECT IS PROGRESSING (2 BARS)

>>382985576
Literally literally

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>tfw piratefag
>mods dont work

>>382991569
Did something change? I played pirated with mods back on release. I got it cheap from humble bundle monthly so no more.

>>382990617
This, and its why I honestly dislike the game.

It didnt change the metagame from the previous installment at all, and just forces you to gamble on bad situations or saftely retreat from the mission.

The game still completely revolves around activating only 1 pack at a time, and bringing enough guaranteed damage to make up for bad luck.

But its made even worse with the whole fucking dodge mechanic, and nearly forcing you to build your team to shred armor in every end-game mission.

>>382991569
poor af so forced to be a piratefag, is there any up to date torrents that have the dlc included?

>>382991685
mods require latest game patch and this is only available for valid copies

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>tfw your Rookie turns into a Sharpshooter

>>382991780
>pirates can't update

Retarded buyfag detected

>>382982905
Every single fucking thread. You're worse than barneyfag

>>382992617
then find me patch 3 for pirated enemy within, oh wait you cant you are just stupid nigger

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>>382982905
>having gyno

>>382989254
> Everyone I disagree with is a nazi
I love this meme

>>382981172
6.9/10 Not enough Mario

>>382986691
Don't only have one squad.
Adapt instead of just throwing up your hands in defeat because something requires different tactics.

>>382992714
Retard

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>>382989982
> Playing LW2
> Had a few rough missions with my good squads, so they're out of action
> Throw 11 fresh-faced rookies and 1 veteran Shinobi at a mission they are completely not ready for
> mfw they succeed with 11 deaths, 1 gravely wounded

Another day, another successful mission

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>>382992951

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>>382981172
It pushed my tolerance for pods too far. They went from "bearable annoyance" in EU to "completely gamebreaking" in XCOM 2 for some reason, and I'm just not sure why only the second one did this. Having a tactics game where having more vision is a cripplingly bad thing is the most retarded thing I can possibly think of, though.

>>382992268
Spec them to pistols and watch as they shoot everything in sight multiple times in a turn. Couple that with incendiary ammo or something, it's crazy powerful.

>>382982905
what manner of sissyness is this

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>>382992957
>aliens been deploying seekers, floaters and thinmint for the last month only.
>not falling for the bait, still fielding HEAT gunners with strong squad
>finally fatigue spiral gets me, but I have a medium panic abduction
>finally can field my anti robot shogun MEC too
>Shogun, whoever is available and 2 rookies ought to mop the floor with seekers, thinmints and floaters
>Corner starting position with next to no cover
>first alien turn a cyberdick from one side
>second turn another cyberdick from the other side
Lost some good men running to the evac

>>382993263
I don't know if LW changes the behavior of the ayy's much, but flying enemies like Cyberdisks can usually be pinned in by overwatch. If you put a few guy on it, they seem to freak out that so many people are waiting for them to move and will just retaliation overwatch, rendering them much less dangerous. That was always my strategy when I activate multiple pods of flyers.

>>382982905
AWAKEN MY MASTERS!!!

>>382993064
>Three moves in one turn, attacks don't end the turn, and they have a chargeable AoE

Fuck those niggers, I've never savescummed except to hack them and make them fight when there's 2 in an area. It's fucking unfair and I'm not dealing with that.

>>382993518
LW changes their aim and I had only half cover. Even suppressed, these guys had like 44% to hit on the suppressing soldier.

Nothing to do there mate, just extremely bad luck. Horrible starting position, horrible activation, horrible squad and horrible enemies.

>>382981172
I feel railroaded most of the time. I don't like it.

>>382989254
lmao why cant lefties meme properly? No creative skills wat so ever

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snek

I played 1 vanilla a lot (permadeath beat it only once I think) and again with all the expansions etc.

I don't like the idea of a ticking clock. Should I just play long war 1 next or should I get 2?

>>382981172
To be fair, if XCOM lore actually went down IRL, it'd be slightly likely that one of the hackers would be an Anonymous hacker. Based on their globalized profile etc

Can't enjoy it properly knowing there's an expansion on the way. Until then, it'll just feel incomplete.
Expansions always do this for me

>>382993881
If you can manage the panic in XCOM 1, you can manage the Advent project in XCOM 2. Play it if you think you'll like it, it's not got a time limit so much as you have to think of the order you do missions to keep their progress low.

>>382993902
This. Loved my first play through and want to start another, but feels pointless with the expansion coming out soon. Pretty hype for it to be honest, far more than I would be for a new game.