JUST

really blows the whole "orcs cant become paladins because of the fel blood" theory out of the water

>>382967754
Thats not real

It cant be

>Reverse search image
>It's over a year old
Nice try.

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Please tell me this is fake

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LE CHILD OF LIGHT AND DARKNESS WHOMST COMETH TO SAVE THE UNIVERSE FROM THE DEMONS FROM THEMSELVES FROM THE UBER VOID LORDS OF BEYOND BLESSED CHILD OF ELUNE AND WHOM'ST'VE BLOOD OF ELF AND DEMON RUNNETH THROUGH THINE VEINS HAST COME BACK FROM THE DEAD THRICE AGAIN AS THE PROPHECY DECLARETH

>>382967863
nuh uhh, illidans suuuuuuuper special

he is literally the chosen one, destined to save the universe from the voidlords since the dawn of existance.

>>382968182
Thats all well and good but it still sets a precedent. One supported by the fact that paladins have a literal dread lord paladin in their ranks

>>382968030
It is.

Why does any sort of character development piss people off so much. Do you guys just things to stay the same forever?

>>382968495
wrong again.

the demons are beings that are drawn to power for their survival without any fundamental alignment to light or darkness.. it doesn't matter what the source of power is, fel, void, light, arcane.

thats why before the legion was formed Sargaras found an Oldgod infected world filled with Dreadlords feeding off of its power.

its just that since the legions formation, it is super rare to see a demon that hasn't joined the legion utilizing Fel magic.

Lothraxian or w/e is just a demon who found his way to the light when he came to be.

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>>382967863
>>382968495
Fel is closer to light than arcane, as of Blizz deciding to write/rewrite Warcraft universe history and rules. Orcs can't be paladins for gameplay balance, the same way humans aren't shamans despite nothing really preventing it.

>>382969082
And I dont dispute that, I'm fine with it. But it supports my case for Orcs being paladins.

>>382968958
>write a edgy somewhat interesting anti-hero character
>rehash him years later and pointlessly make him a bad guy, make him way edgier and a fall down
>kill him off
>bring him back a decade later as the prophesied savior of the universe, ignoring how incompetent he was made out to be
>hes still super edgy and retarded tho


thats not character development, that's just bad writing.

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>>382969173
I'm a lorefag and for a long time the reason Orcs couldn't be paladins was because the fel blood. I don't care about mechanics I care about what is possible in role play and now Orc paladins are on the table.

>>382969240
While the reasoning blizzard came up with already means they should be able to, nothing about illidan or lothraxian's cases really lend any credence to it.

>>382968958
because its stupid to have a character constantly switching between being the most good thing in the universe and the most bad thing

>>382969545
I agree.
also, tauren are already paladins, that's the closest thing we're gonna get to the orcs and it's perfectly fine.

>>382969393
Every iteration of illidan has been a man willing to do anything to win. He didn't go with fel because he wanted to be an evil over lord. he did it because it was the most powerful energy he had ever encountered. There is no reason he wouldn't take advantage of the light if it proved a stronger source of power.

>>382969680
Not quite. from a lore perspective, tauren "sunwalkers" are pretty much just druids who worship the sun instead of the moon.

>>382969684
>implying the Light isn't the most powerful element in the world

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UNDEAD PALADINS WHEN?!?!?

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>>382969785
The light didn't do jack shit for Tirion

I'm more of a shadow magic person myself.

>>382969761
That all went out the window with Legion making them part of the Paladin order.

>>382969962
gotta love how you folks cherrypick tirion's death to try to prove a point.

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Literally fan fiction

>>382970063
>Cherrypicked
Are you not looking at the image of all those paladins getting dark forcechoked? A decent amount of Death Knights walked straight into Light's Hope and proceeded to slaughter a bunch of paladins, where was the Light then?

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>>382970063
In my opinion there is no designated most powerful source out there, just different sources with their own ups and downs. Fel is obviously going to be more bang for the buck but you pay for it in the long term.

>>382969962
yeah and look what shadow did for Arthas whats your point?

>>382969962
>>382970392
obviously the power of loot is the strongest in the universe
Once you get the attention of murder hobos it doesnt matter what source you draw from for all shall fall in the name of purps

>>382970289
>where was the Light then?

I like how you're conveniently forgetting the part when almost 2 mins later the light burns those dks alive to the point they have to run away like bitches.

>>382970392
Not sure what argument you're trying to make. Lich King is alive and well

the silly thing is that night elf shaman and undead pally were almost part of vanilla, then removed. They should both be playable now

>>382967754
Why are people so easily tricked?

>>382970623
Obviously. That's why everyone is running around with Ashbringers

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>>382970802
So your light had no problem with me raising an army from the hollowed dead of the Argent dawn, kicking the door down and murdering every paladin in my path. It only stepped in when I tried to defile the grave of tirion

If it cares so much, why didn't it shield him from getting one shot by a literal trash mob?

>>382970818
he said Arthas. Not Lich King. Arthas is dead.

>>382970838
Most class restrictions don't make any sense anymore. There's a whole bunch of Human Shamans around, Troll Paladins have been in the lore for ages, and also Troll Demon Hunters. Night Elf Shamans and Undead Paladins aren't even a stretch.

>>382970818
you asked what the light did for Tirion, it let him beat the Lich king, it protected his soul from the 2nd rate replacement lichkings attempt to resurrect him.

whereas shadow magic let arthas (one of its most prolific champions on azeroth) down and led to his demise.

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>>382971093
What lead to Arthas demise is that he still had a little vestige of faith in the light. Its what held the Lich King back from overrunning the whole of Azeroth and his reward for holding out is to burn in Hell. meanwhile the Lich King is already in control of Bolvar

Either way I was being a snarky cunt you don't have to take it so damn seriously.

>Death Knights ruined Whitemane
Your class is shit, now and forever, because of this.

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>>382971316
>that moment when you get to raise one of the leading members of the Scarlet Crusade as an undead servant

pure kino

>>382970953
What was the lore explanation for the DKs not getting exiled from the Alliance/Horde over this?

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>>382971545
>Fuck the horde, raise nazgrim
>Fuck the alliance raise trollbane
>Fuck Sylvanyas kill her people and spring Koltira
>Fuck the Dragons we need an undead brood.
>Fuck that NPC mind control him
>Fuck those paladins, rape their class hall.
>Fuck the legion, invade one of their world and jack a war axe.

Entire DK class quest line is pure bliss

>My face when Khadgar tries to tell me putting a fucking Naaru in acherus is a good idea.

>>382971619
When you're in the middle of a war for your planet, you don't want to kick out the only guys getting shit done.

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>>382971545
>When Blizzard throws you a bone in the form of a character loved purely based on their iconic design
>And they completely change the design so she's literally "Generic human female Death Knight" instead
Yeah, "Kino".

>>382971619
>W-WE DINDU NUFFIN WRONG! W-WE GOOD BOYS!
>W-We needed to teamkill 'cuz... We good boys!
>G-Gul'dan though, guys...

>When your entire class hall quest is "Fuck it, let's teamkill," and Khadgar gives you a fucking rimjob and a nice asspat over it.

>>382971752
Man, now I want to resub to play through the DK quests.

>>382971752
This, desu
However, I'm still upset springing Koltira wasn't cooler. You just kind of kill a few abominations. No cool end boss of sorts or fear of getting caught and having some alarms raised.

>>382967863
I'd expect some orcs to be in the army of the light, given how many orcs went through all the thousands of portals that opened up right before draenor blew up. It stands to reason that at least some of them would unite against the legion.

>"Yo, Death Knights. As the Lich King I need you to do this shit for me."
>"FUCK YOU! YOU AREN'T OUR MASTER!"
>"lol whatever, faggot. Now get to work."
>"...O-Okay."

>>382972098
Logically yes but it was a hard rule for a while that orc paladins simply could not exist. But as of legion that is retconned. Or at least an implied retcon

>>382970063
>The light won't guard Tirion as he's struck down by a demon
>the light will stop him from being raised to rejoin the fight against the legion
fuck the light

>>382972220
Let me fix this for you

>"Ayo I'm going to send the entire scourge to sweep over the broken isles and kill every living thing, legion or no"
>Hold up Papa Lich we got this shit

>>382972250
He was originally going to be the leader of the four horsemen but paladin players QQ'd on the forums until it was removed. Same happened for Baine's plot in High Mountain

Alliance players are basically giant babies

>>382972319
You'd like to think that, wouldn't you, bone bag?

But no, seriously, thanks for ruining Whitemane, Blizzard.. Didn't even give the cunt a fucking hat. For what fucking purpose?

>>382968958
Rehashing corruption and redemption tropes piss me off. Especially if somebody does it over, what, fourteen years?

>>382972525
It's all Warcraft has to offer since WC3.

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>>382972494
>Be Horde
>garrosh becomes warchief, spreads horde borders, reinforces Ogrimmar and kicks Alliance ass
>Forced to join up the with the Alliance to kill him for no reason.
>Tons of good Orcs killed along the way guilty of nothing but following orders
>Then we turn around and invade AU draenor and kill every major Horde lore figure
>hell Thrall can't even beat Garrosh without cheating
>Then we go to broken shore and while the Alliance fights every named leader without breaking a sweat. Our warchief is killed by trash packs.
>Sylvanus of all fucking people becomes warchief and not a single person calls bullshit.

Meanwhile

>Start up DK quest line
>Go around kicking ass and taking names
>Papa Ner'zul guiding the player about

Please just let me have this anon. Even if LK is mind controlling the Ebon Blade again. I don't care. I just want to be part of a faction that isn't so utterly shit on every waking moment.

>>382972918
Fuck you. I live in a fucking sewer.

>>382972408
>Alliance players are basically giant babies

Are you implying undead players wouldn't cry an ocean of faggot tears if Blizzard ever decided to kill off Sylvanas?

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>>382971752
Khadgar remains the absolute best thing to ever come out of WoD.

>>382973183
Fuck no, she's going to drive the Forsaken party bus into the ground.

>>382971906
>tfw no whitemane doujin

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>>382973228
You aint wrong.

I liked WOD's questing too.

>>382973228
>gather 7500 nethershards
>oh sorry, I only needed 1

>>382973183
>We have to kill Arthas for inflicting this curse upon us...
>ARTHAS IS DEAD SO LETS INFLINCT THE CURSE ON OTHERS ITS OKAY TO DO IT SO LONG AS WE LET THEM KNOW WE WILL KILL THEM IF THEY DONT SERVE US INSTEAD OF MIND CONTROLLING

As a Forsaken player, I'd much prefer to have a skeleton king, perhaps some member of the Lorderon royal family. This whole "I do it for the forsaken people!" Is such god damn bullshit and everyone knows it.

>>382973602
It's really sad WoD gets shit on for absolutely everything. The questing was so good

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>>382973012
I laughed, but then I remembered I live there aswell.

>>382970623
Has anything in the story ever addressed that there are teeming hordes of hyper aggressive mercenaries in both the horde and alliance? People who will start fights with each other, murder entire towns because they're bored and who will go out to kill Lovecraftian entities just because they'll drop a shiny pendant on death. Imagine what would happen if they ran out of quests to do or things to kill.

>>382973602
>>382973798
WoD's questing was great, at least the first time you do it.
But if you have alts it will get annoying super quick.

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Wow just got stupid after WotLK. And the signs were there in Wrath, don't get me wrong. MoP had some good parts but this is getting retarded.

>>382972918
>Have one expansion where Thrall is a main character
>Horde gets shit on for three expansions in a row while in two expansions of the three we have an alliance ensemble as the main cast
>People still say the Alliance gets no love

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>>382973228
the best.

>>382974072
I don't disagree, player characters are much too powerful and it really gets in the narrative of the game. Back then it was "A band of heroes aided by major lore figures deafeated the final boss" now its "you personally [player name] defeated the boss with your own two hands"

>>382974146
Alliance will always play the victim despite shitting on the horde for 4 consecutive expansions now

>>382973707

Pretty sure it was 2500.

>>382967754
SO LIKE WHAT IF THE DRANEI ARE ACTUALLY DESCENDED FROM ILLIDAN AND THATS WHY THEY LOOK THE WAY THEY DO AND THERE IS SOME TIME TRAVEL FUCKING SHIT

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Why didn't the draenei just reclaim Tempest Keep to travel to Argus?
It's been clear of Kael'Thas's goons for years, and it's basically three exodars and an even bigger flagship

>>382974146
>>382974260
It's a case of the grass is always greener

Legion is the first expansion in a long time that was undeniably better from an Alliance perspective.

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>>382973763
It's obviously bullshit, and there's enough humans(or at least there were) and other races in the game who's natural deaths could just as easily be used to replenish the undead population, but no her genociding anything living in silverpine and further south is totally justified despite the recently deceased and raised giving her an undead sieg heil right before she sends them to the grinder, its' like she was going to be the villain in the expansion after Cata but it got changed to Garrosh at the last minute.

>>382971752
>Kalecgos just hanging around and remarking how impressive Acherus is

Yeah I bet you fuckin love it you nerd, LOOK at the zombies I have running around! I don't even give a shit

>>382974932
Kalecgos is a pretty chill aspect, I really hope he doesn't get killed off in a cutscene or CORRUPTED.COM

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>>382974894
>When even Garrosh Hellscream of all fucking people tells you what you are doing is fucking evil.

I really don't have a problem with her being Warchief. I just wish it would be contested. Someone. ANYONE calling it out as bullshit. She is literally the most evil entity in all of Azeroth. Old Gods and Legion included.

>>382973228
what makes Khadgar excusable, memes?

>>382969852
If they revamped the classes to make them unique again with strong impact in all facets of gameplay, did the same to racials and offered sub-classes so both factions could have access to the same pool of racials - thus eliminating favoritism - , plus the undead paladins.

I might come back.

>>382975214
He's a genuinely likable character even outside of the memes

>>382975214
He gets results without being edgy or an asshole

>The entire point of Warcraft is Orcs world being destroyed and them being forced to settle on a new world and the tension that results from that
>Since WoW came out, Tauren have basically become an Alliance race in lore, Trolls are mostly neutral, and Blood Elves being horde never made sense
>Literally the only Horde race that couldn't just join the Alliance with nobody batting an eye at this point is the Undead and the Orcs
>WoD happens
>The orcs can literally just go back to AU Draenor at any point in time
>For some reason the horde still exists
>Sylvanas is now the Warchief

Literally justify this shit. Why does the horde even exist anymore? Almost every race would make more sense being part of the Alliance. At this point Blizzard is having to reach deep inside their asses just to justify keeping the Alliance v Horde conflict going.

>>382971545
Whitemane was just raised up so her and Paletress can have a sexy catfight.

>>382974894
I think she was meant to be the villain indeed. I only vaguely remember Metzen mentioning his plans for her when he did a Q&A here

>>382974717
shhhhh.

>>382974146
Alliance are literally the SJW's of WoW, they honest-to-god have a mantra that the horde needs to be punished for past privileges. They're eternally butthurt because the best raid guilds were horde despite the obscene advantages Allie raids have had in the past (Fear Ward, +hit Aura). Literally owning AV and now IoC isn't enough either, something must be done about their 45%~ win rates in real BG's. Even EMFH getting all the serious pvp hobbiests to reroll human fucking females wasn't enough for them.

Arcane Torrent should be nerfed though, fuck that shit.

And yeah, on the PvE/lore side of things, Alliance throw a massive bitch fit whenever even the most minor of allie npcs so much as stubs their toes but entire expansions dedicated to killing esteemed, badass horde npcs (Kargath, Rend, fucking ZUL'JIN) is okie-dokie. I mean we have goddamn horde towns named in the honor of some of these raid bosses.

Well, I guess it's okay. I can have a good laugh when Anduin ends up being the first canonically homosexual racial leader.

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>>382967754
That's nice.
Panda Demon Hunters, then. Chop Chop.

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>>382976341
>Alliance are literally the SJW's o-

Stopped reading there

>>382975527
Alliance racism won't allow for horde races to join. During the civil war, Troll boats entered Stormwind's harbor asking for help to which they were told to fuck off and handle their own problems

Also humans no greater claim to Azeroth than Orcs do. Both are alien races planted onto the world. Trolls and Elves are the only dominant species with any real claim

>>382976479
Spend any amount of time on the WoW forums - though I don't suggest it personally - and you'll see this is true. They're always in full #JUSTICE4MARAAD mode. Horde is the chill faction (before we got Belves anyway), Alliance is for self-important Everquest rejects who think they can boss the devs around by being a vocal majority. Sadly it works.

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paladins are literally just priests who decided to hit things


>troll can be priests, warriors
>can't be paladin

>forsaken can be priests, warriors
>can't be paladins

>Nightelves can be priests, warriors
>can't be paladin

>gnomes can be priests, warriors
>can't be paladin

>Goblins can be priests, warriors
>can't be paladins

Blizzard quality reasoning.

>>382976664
Horde is for dudebros who condiser themselves oldfags and chill ironic gamerboys like STAR_ and critikal

Paladins are bros

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Can a lore fag explain why Humans and NElves cant become Shamans?

Or even undead shamans for that matter. I just want to play one with a character that has a somewhat normal human skeleton

>>382976664
Anon I want you to understand how cringy you look when you claim the community that you are part of is X Y and Z because they play as a different faction. And I say this to you as a fellow horde player.

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Why can't we just have Timeless Isle/MoP world design all the time? Having rare/elite enemies that will actually kill you if you don't figure out their weakness was great. It was fucking awesome to find a rare Jinyu spawn in MoP and see a total carpet of skeletons around it from people who can't figure out that sometimes you actually have to interrupt a deadly spell.

And Timeless Isle was simply KINO Zone design, with all this content sprawling in every direction, collectable buffs, that Red Phantom shit going on with the censer of agony, rare events, tiered content with easily solo'd stuff down the hill and harder elite mobs further up...

>>382969545
Isn't night elf paladins happening as well? Isn't there some fucking night elf from the priest order hall that hits the pallys up and they turn her into a pally?

>>382976798
Not quite. Paladins as you know them in Warcraft channel the light directly through their body. its a different method of casting than simple priests. Lore wise, there are no Tauren Paladins, those are all sun druids and most factions in the game that can be paladins can only be so because they had some kind of direct interaction with the Silver Hand. The Excepton being Dranei who are the O.G Paladins

>>382972918
>tfw sylvanas has done just as little as vol'jin did as warchief
so is anything else coming from the stormheim bullshit with her or did blizz stop giving a shit straight away

>>382977072
>Why can't NE be Shamans?
Because "Fuck you."

>>382976798
They need to just open the floodgates for pretty much every class except druids.

If fucking materialistic earth-raping GOBLINS can be shamans there's literally no reason I can't be rocking an undead paladin or dreanai warlock. I've been saying for years that we need sub-races (Mag'har, Mechagnomes, Nightborne) that pretty much allow full class diversity + letting you grab the racials of the opposing faction. So a Mag'Har orc would have goat racials or a Mechagnome would be able to use goblin shit.

>>382977138
Yea, she's my top pally as well. What has this world come to...

>>382977247
Not quite. Vol'jin lead a successful campaign across the Dark Portal and even managed to keep the horde's leadership intact in his dying breath.

So far Sylvanas has...

>Retreated from Broken Shore, so much for victory or death right?
>Abandoned the battle against the legion to chase down a relic of Lichdom.
>Lost a fight to a literal who werewolf
>oh, and loaded Dalaran up with plauge just in case

>>382977427
Goblins are able to be shamans because they make contracts with the elementals. But much like taking advantage of ignorant natives, the contracts are hilariously one sided and filled with loop holes

But I agree. Every race should be able to do everything with exception to obvious stuff like Warlock Space Goats or Gnome Warriors- woops that one is already in

>>382977453
>>oh, and loaded Dalaran up with plauge just in case
What in the FUCK are you going on about

>>382977214
>Paladins as you know them in Warcraft channel the light directly through their body. its a different method of casting than simple priests.

Fuck off because there is literally zero evidence for that fanfiction-tier shit.

>Lore wise, there are no Tauren Paladins, those are all sun druids

This too, they're straight-up fucking paladins.

>most factions in the game that can be paladins can only be so because they had some kind of direct interaction with the Silver Hand.

>what are Blood Knights
>what is logic

>>382975439
>khadgar
>not asshole
dId you PLAY wod?

>>382970960
>Implying

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>>382976798
>be a priest
>need paladins to save your order hall from demons

>>382977570
>Warlock Space Goats
Obviously on Argus we get some turncoat Eredar who want to bail the sinking ship and rejoin their brothers on the Exodar. Led by our timeline's Fel-Queen Yrel of course..

This way you can have warlocks + red skinned lady goats. Everyone wins.

>>382976341
Bullshit, in Warlords we lost AU Velen and our own Maraad. Who did the Horde lose? Thrall's angsty, punk AU uncle and AU Doomhammer, who about 2 quests before was on the Iron Horde's side.

We fought through Garrosh's armies only to have Thrall swoop in and kill him because MUH HONER (only to watch Thrall cheat in the fight anyway)

We finally get to Grommash, the leader of the Iron Horde only to have him get away with all that shit scot-free because reasons. Yrel (who we'll never see ever fucking again) was standing with the same motherfucker in charge of the group that murdered her fucking sister.

>>382977753
>we lost AU-

Stopped reading there.

So illidan is alive and angelic instead of demonic now? Huh... what's bolvar up to then? being evil even though he said he wasn't gonna be evil?

>>382977630
Blood Knights indeed did get their teachings from the Silver Hand and you can literally witness the dialogue events right now in Thunderbluff where it is explained that Tauren Paladins are simply Tauren Druids who focus on the right eye of the Earth Mother "An'she" (the left eye being the moon- or as some call it. Elune)

Mechanically you're absolutely right but from a lore perspective you could not be more wrong

As far as Paladin channeling? I'm a horde fag so I never went super deep into Paladin lore. But its what I've been told when this discussion comes up. Several times. I'll concede that issue for the time being.

>>382970878

Americans are easily deceived.

>>382977570
Even warlock draenei can be explained by a faction of eredar getting disillusioned and fed up with the Legion, even moreso plausible after KJ's death

>>382977837
Did the Horde lose literally anyone from our universe? On par with Maraad?

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>Valeera wasn't in MoP when Anduin was out in pandaland getting kid napped
Was I seriously the only one pissed of that they didn't use her in MoP?
I mean the lazy fucks literally just put her in at the rouge order hall and then i'm assuming she's also doing nothing.
I just want more of her Thighs

>>382967754
>angels are just another kind of demons

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>>382977843
He lost the battle with the Lich King, or he's losing it. he sends you around doing fucked up shit and at one point you slaughter the ghosts of paladins and he mocks them for having faith in the Light which has clearly abandoned them

Which is cool with me, its nice to have Papa Ner'zual back

>>382977920
Then they wouldn't be Dranei they'd be Eredar. the whole point of Dranei is the rejection of Fel. A warlock Dranei is absolutely unacceptable in every sense of the word.

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allowing dks into the alliance = allowing muslims refugees fyi

>>382977959
At least Maraad got a cinematic. Doomhammer was literally off-screened.

Doesn't matter anyway, Alliance will never have anything as bullshit as Zul'Jin since we all know Jaina isn't really going to be a raid boss.

>>382977753
Maraad shouldn't have died, but the rest of the AU bullshit needs to be confined to that awful expansion. Not a single character from the AU has a better story arc than their MU counterparts.

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>Orcs can't be paladins because fell blood
>Fucking undead can channel the holy light

what is this

>>382978047
Fuck, is there any paladin which dies that actually stays good?

>>382978047
Semantics, it's a space goat warlock

>>382978224
Tiron stayed good. they were going to turn him into a DK but the fanbase cried. I don't know what the big deal is though. As horde Tirion has always been a literal who human paladin.

Khadgar is pretty much the only human lore figure I have ever given a single fuck about

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>>382967754
Fucking WoW needs some high test ball drops after this elf faggotry.
WHERE THE FUCK IS JAINA?

>>382978431
FELLED.COM

>>382978214
it supposed to cause them immense agony to channel the light. that said sit the fuck down nigger, it's all gameplay balances

>>382978145
Doomhammer died years ago. AU Maraad was also killed offscreen

>>382978431
Is she seriously going to going to be a boss this fucking expansion or what

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>>382978431
>Whines about elf faggotry
>Then cries out for a mage.

>>382967863
Well there's a Holy Dreadlord so....

>>382978520
Yeah but they can STILL

CHANNEL

HOLY

LIGHT

WHAT WOULD BE OP ABOUT ORCS BEING PALADINS JUST GIVE HUMANS SHAMAN OR SOME SHIT

>>382978536
CORRUPTED JAINA

>>382978586
WHY do you want orc paladin so god damn bad it truly boggles the mind

>>382977959
HMMMM maybe Garrosh???

>>382969173
So where do warriors land on that origin of power chart? Reality?

>>382978431
>implying we don't need a great Elven unification expac.
>new Elven empire faction to take a glorious highbourne dump on the lesser races of Azeroth.

>>382978676
IT'S NOT THAT I REALLY WANT THEM

ITS JUST THE EXPLANATION IS SO FUCKING RETARDED

BEINGS THAT ARE LITERALLY WALKING CORPSES CAN JUST FUCKING CHANNEL THE LIGHT SURE IT HURTS THEM BUT FUCK IT THEY CAN DO IT ANYWAY

WHY CAN'T AN ORC JUST PRAY REALLY HARD AND SHIT SHIT HARD THEY HAVE HALF OF IT DOWN

>>382978676
>Want to be a paladin
>Still want to be true horde so faggot ass elves are out of the equation
>Not a furry so Tauren are out of the equation

I want my orc paladins. Or at least undead paladins. there is fucking lore precedent for undead paladins

>>382978769
I MEAN HIT SHIT

>>382978212
AU Yrel had a better story arc by virtue of the fact that MU Yrel died a nameless, eventless death

I do agree that time travel nonsense should be promptly forgotten tho

>>382978704
The Horde 'lost' Garrosh in Mists

>>382978431
Jaina jacked the Thunder King's lightning power and placed it inside of her staff, somehow. She's currently in negotiations with the remaining Zandalar Trolls.

She's going to come back as the Thunder Queen/Queen of Storms and wreck shit. Might even be part of Wrathion's new Coalition Faction AKA 'Mongrel Horde' in The Dark Below.

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>>382978586
>mfw Orc Paladins are flavoured to be masochists who hurt themselves to heal others

>>382978819
>Jaina jacked the Thunder King's lightning power and placed it inside of her staff, somehow. She's currently in negotiations with the remaining Zandalar Trolls.
you're fucking with me

>>382977861
>Blood Knights indeed did get their teachings from the Silver Hand

No part of that shit came from the Silver Hand

>you can literally witness the dialogue events right now in Thunderbluff where it is explained that Tauren Paladins are simply Tauren Druids who focus on the right eye of the Earth Mother "An'she" (the left eye being the moon- or as some call it. Elune)

In fact that dialog literally says "I talked to the Argents and maybe we should get some Paladins". Having a god on top of using the Light doesn't make them druids, which is why they're in the paladin order hall.

>Mechanically you're absolutely right but from a lore perspective you could not be more wrong

There is literally zero evidence for what you're saying, it's a misconception that's been spread for years.

As for what people have told you, it's also wrong. No evidence they use the Light fundamentally different from priests.

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Is there better Nelf wife material than Thisalee Crow?

>>382978968
Maiev

>>382978862
First part is true, second isn't.

>>382978853
Those who covet injury find it in no short supply.

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Reminder that Coliseum of Lust is canon.

>>382979035
I mean for non-cucks.

>>382979137
Oh!

Maiev then!

>>382978968
>tfw finding out druids get her as an order hall follower and a bodyguard

I'm jealous

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>Sylvanas no longer rocking the midriff

DROPPED.

Even HOTS wasn't retarded enough to go through with the proposed model change to Sylvanas, even if they're complete retards for removing Tychus' Cigar.

As someone who doesn't really have the time to raid anymore is the game still worth it? I played legion when it launched but when the first raid opened I kinda lost interest. I'm just looking for a time sink when I have nothing going on

>>382979053
Unplayable.

>>382978968
>>382979258

A Literal Who from WoD

What's so good about her?

>>382979358
no

>>382979329
b-but they gave it back!

>>382979407
She doesn't do much in WoD I'll grant you but you quest with her in cata. She's great there.

>>382979329
Hots did add her Legion outfit as an alternate.

>>382979358
no, it's boring as shit.

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HOLY SHIT 7.3 BAINE MODEL UPDATE LEAKED

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>>382979358
I play the game casually, dont touch raids or raid finder and I have a good time with it. They stated that you wont be able to get artifact apperances as mogs once Legion ends so even doing pointless stuff feels like a form of progression

>Legion ends
>All classes and races can finally be mixed, because "We need to combine our efforts to stop the Void/Legion/Zandalari/Murlocs" or some equally bullshit excuse

I want my Elune totem NE Shaman, Eredar Warlock with fucking wings, and Undead Druid with zombie animal forms. There's no excuse for them to not allow all combos by now, including trash like Pandaren anything and Worgen/Goblin DK.

>>382968182
>the chosen one
>not thrall
this cannot be

>>382979574
Pretty sure Legion is the last expansion.

So much shit is wrapped into the artifact system, there's no way they're dropping it. If there is a next one you'll probably keep them.

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>>382979508
Yeah but at Blizzcon of... 2014 I think, they were showing an update to her model that added black leather covering up pretty much all of her visible skin from neck to waist. Probably in response to Metzen's dumbass statement about his daughter complaining that all their female characters 'wore swimsuits all the time'.

Luckily perverted heads prevailed and we can continue to enjoy Succubi Kerrigan and Tyrande's amazing ass. Though with the 2.0 patch and OW cross-promotion bringing more attention to HOTS I can imagine the censorship on female hero design will be hitting pretty hard. Just look at Tracer's bikini skin, of course they'd pick the one female character who naturally doesn't show cleavage.

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>>382979782
>Pretty sure Legion is the last expansion.

>>382977753
>Velen

Who?

>Maraad

Fucking who?

Draenei are a shit race retconned no less than three times and fabricated in Burning Crusade. To compare the to Zul'jin or Blackhand is six degrees of retardation and you know that. Hell even losing Garrosh, the only promising orc character in forever, because of ALLIANCE bitching is all the proof you really need that the Horde exists purely to be a punching bag and hipster choice and nothing more. They couldn't even kill off your dumb ass dwarf princess like the originally planned or the gnome racial leader because they knew you guys would blame the Horde for some retarded reason.

>>382979782
I feel so bad for you because it's clear the buyer's remorse runs deep, but
Ion stated months ago they are trashing your legendaries and giving you them as transmogs as compensation for the massive timesink

>>382969962
Look at all the metal attached to those capes.
That shit's gotta weigh a lot.

>>382979782
Nah, in early Q&As they commented that they view artifact weapons as something you'll hang over the fire place in future expansions and this is not the first expansion to give you a mandatory slot item that stays with you through out. Chances are they will roll the artifact weapons into your kit and give you some new slot to mess with for that expansion

Look at Garrisons, people thought that was going to be around forever too

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At the end of the Argus quest chain, Alleria has been dead the entire time and replaced with a Void Lord imposter, that's the twist. No Fel Jaina or Possessed Kadghar.

>>382980021
yeah but how do you just "hang up" what artifacts give you

>>382979962
Gonna say it's not happening. If they move on, they'll just need to implement ANOTHER artifact system anyway. They'll probably just add more skins.

>>382980021
Garrisons are still around though.

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Goblins are the sexist warcraft race.

>Shortstacks
>Kinky as fuck
>Inclined to trying out new things
>Natural breadwinners
>Can enjoy an actual house with hot tubs and electric lights instead of some stone/wood hovel
>Can roll warlock and summon you up a succubus if normal proportions are your thing

Name a single fucking flaw.

>>382979053
>Coliseum of Lust

What?

>>382980094
You better be fucking with me

>>382980094
No Sylvanas raid boss either then since Alleria fits the 'evil elven ranger' bill already.

>new ptr build tomorrow

Hopefully they datamine something interesting.

>>382967754
I actually like it

>>382980095
roll it into your kit. Its pretty simple.

>>382980121
They really aren't. You get the little facebook game at the class order hall but they its no where near as instrusive as what garrisons were

>>382979053
>6 mana 4/4

>>382980208
He is.

The deal is she's been void corrupted for a while and they had her under guard before their ship went down. She can partially control it though.

>>382980094
Don't you FUCKING LIE TO ME LIKE THAT

IT HAS BEEN 21 YEARS OF "WHERES ALLERIA LOL?"

YOU CAN'T JUST FUCKING KILL HER OFF!

>>382980348
>What is control
Fuck you I just want a reason to play Blood Knight ;_;

>>382968113
under rated post office

>>382980328
The order halls are almost 1-1 garrisons, except you don't place buildings but instead just choose upgrades.

>>382967754
Remember when the light was all about religious fervor? Now its just advanced space aliens. Might as well add orc, night elf, gnome and troll paladins at this point

>>382980395
>YOU CAN'T JUST FUCKING KILL HER OFF!
The "you" referenced left the company long ago.
The ex-D3 writing staff gives no shits.

>>382980142
They can't tower over me and appeal to my giantess fetish

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>>382980423
>No free mats of every kind
>Can't fully sustain yourself with follower quests.
>Not a separate instance from the rest of the world, segregating the community from one another
>Questing isn't wholesale designed around you taking advantage of building up your garrison.

You have no idea what you are talking about. the only thing that carried over from garrisons was the mission board. And even that got heavily nerfed to the point that its essentially just there to timegate you from quests

>>382980562
That's just Greymane

>>382980562
That's just the HotS Greymane model.

>>382980562
Hopefully not made by that modeler. What an anatomical trainwreck.

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>>382980562
WHY CANT I BE A WORGEN WHO RIPS AND TEARS LIKE THIS MOTHER FUCKER WHY DO I HAVE TO BE A GLORIFIED WOLF ANTHO WITH SOME DINKY WEAPON JESUS FUCK YOU HAD ONE GOD DAMN JOB HOW DO YOU FUCK UP WEREWOLVES LIKE THIS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MAKE A CLAWS AND TEETH MONSTER ITS NOT EVEN THAT HARD HELL THE TRANSFORMATION YOU HAVE FOR VENGENCE DEMON HUNTERS IS A BETTER WEREWOLF THAN YOUR ACTUAL WEREWOLF RACE FUCK

>>382977964
>Valeera and broll were not at varians funeral
what the flying fuck blizzard

>>382980510
REEEEEE I WAITED TOO LONG FOR THIS! HOW FUCKING DARE YOU, BLIZZARD!

GIVE ME ALLERIA, ALIVE!

WHAT'S NEXT, YOU'RE GOING TO CORRUPT MAIEV!?

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>Decide to check spoilers for Argus

Oh holy shit, Sargeras did not take Varimathras' fuckup well.

>>382980580
No mats I'll give you, but follower quests are arguably even better than WoD. I get more fucking gold from them than I ever did from the garrison.

Fifty heroes at the same time is actually stupid, it's not like they're anything other than visual excitement anyway.

Questing IS designed around the order hall campaign though. In fact, WoD's questing was arguably better than Legion's in many cases, more variability on alts/

>>382979735
once they got Metzen out the door they bench'd Thrall.

he hasn't been since since legion launch cinematic. they just said hes in a coma.

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>>382980689
Why wasn't Med'an there too?

>>382980562
My femgobbo is already perfect. I'm worried if/when they update the models I won't like the changes.

>>382976630
>humans are aliens now too
wait what
what when did that motherfucking happen now?

>>382980849
They come from Vrykul.

>>382980819
True since femgobs still look great in slutmog unlike the pancake tits on every other new model.

>>382980527
>What is a stolen Gnomish Shrink Ray

>>382978819
>She's currently in negotiations with the remaining Zandalar Trolls.
sauce?

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>>382980747
>Ner'zual was taken into the twisting neather where he saw the tortured souls of his people just floating around in space, often times looking upon him with hate and regret. Sargeras eventually shows up and begins pulling his soul apart piece by piece, leaving the guy in indescribable agony. Then Once its done, he does it again. And again and again. This goes on for years until he is sealed into the armor of the Lich King and given a chance to escape his hell by serving the legion
>THE FIRST THING THE FUCKER DOES IS PUT INTO ACTION A PLAN TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST SARGERAS AND CONSUME AZEROTH IN THE PROCESS.

What an absolute baller.

>>382980747
Is he really like that as punishment for a fuckup? I always wondered what happens to demons in charge of something important when they fail and go back to the Nether. I mean, how many times has Tich died on Azeroth alone? And they still trusted him to watch over Gul'dan.

>>382980745
Maiev is already taking in that chosen one cock from Illidan my man

>>382973228
>>382973707
>>382974206
Khadgar is literally perfect

>>382980436
>Night Elf
Anon, they're canon now. They will happen soon enough.

>>382980951
There's a movie flash of the zandalari riding dinosaurs and invading Argus through a portal created by Jaina.

>>382980849
Humans are now and have always been titan creations. Titans did not create Azeroth, they simply came to it. Old Gods were there long before the Titans. Ergo, only life pre-dating Titan interfearance can be considered to have any true claim to Azeroth.

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>>382970960
>arthas is dead

>>382981005
I particularly like the neck brace and steel bar gag. Taking away a vampiric creatures ability to feed as torture is legit unsettling.

>>382981026
MAIEV IS GAY AND FOR NAISHA

>>382981101
arthas is dead. We killed him and that other guy took over, I forget his name. Arthas was corrupted by the sword.

Guys, new PTR was already datamined. Nothing spectacular was added, but Illidan and Turalyon duel during a quest. Turalyon dies as a result.

>When you constantly make up shit about a game you "hate" just to shitpost


really gets the ole' gears turnin'

>>382979949
Yeah you're damn right they made the Draenei up outta nowhere because they were too busy giving the Horde the Blood Elves to give a fuck about the Alliance in BC

And you're forgetting it's AU Blackhand, who gives a flying fuck about the fanfiction version of him. That invalidates AU Velen as well but not Maraad (y'know the only promising Draenei character like ever).

But yeah, it's all about the Alliance right? That's why we did just about fuck-all in Mists (and Cataclysm for that matter) except march right into Orgrimmar only to give it right back to the Horde because why not?

I also like how you trivialize Maraad's death because he's irrelevant and then go on to bitch and moan that they didn't kill off the irrelevant dwarf princess or gnome leader

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>>382970289
>where was the Light then?
Sorry about the 2h late reply but

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>>382980819
Reminds me of this April Fools joke they did. It's actually amusing to think Blizz still had balls back in 2014. Imagine them trying to make a joke like this in the current year? They'd be fucking blasted out of the water for daring to suggest such a female appearance is 'unattractive'.

>>382968028

This post is gonna be ignored by the entire thread just so I can sperg out anyway

>>382981202
You shut your fucking lying whore mouth.

>>382981160
Can't beat the cock, it's canon

>>382981101
Arthas is gone. The current Lich king is a melding of Bolvar and Ner'zhul.

>>382981312
Maiev beats Illidan with a rake.

>>382981272

I mean that was also a jab at Amy's Baking Company, which was a popular meme at the time.

why can't they revive Arthas into a death knight exactly?

>>382981463
Holy shit thats actually her face lmao

>>382981486
because

>>382981486
Because everyone would fucking murder you for even considering "Reviving Arthas".

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WISH WE COULD TURN BACK TIME.

>>382981486
They technically can. His soul is in warcraft hell burning away. Sylvanas through herself off of ice crown and went there too but the valkyr brought her back so now she lives a life of fear trying to become immortal and using the forsaken as a shield to keep herself alive

but to answer your question? Who the fuck would actually bring Arthas back?

>>382981654
it would be funny
we tried to turn uther or someone into a dk in the campaign story

>>382981551
>>382981571
>>382981654
Arthas wasn't evil, the sword was. He dindu anything bad besides strath, and I mean who can blame his exactly. Not like they can cure the plague

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>>382981005
>gets "nothin' personaled" by arthas
>after they both had their mutually agreed upon vulcan mind meld
>arthas feels bad about what he did after getting his ass beat
>gets forgiven by his father who's ashes he pissed on after interring Kel'Thuzad
>all for the sake of "muh redemption"

>>382981463

how the fuck did i never see this

>>382981764
Absolutely false. in the Novel, Arthas kills the last vestige of good inside of himself then turns around and kills the spirit of Ner'zual. Before making the statement that there is no more Arthas, there is no more ner'zual there is only the Lich King.

Also even if we assume that Arthas was deep down in there the whole time. It doesn't excuse everything that was wrought by his hand. Sure he may have been corrupted by ancient magic. but no one forced him to kill innocents. That was all his choice.

I thought Ner'zhul was overtaken by Arthas?
So how in hell is it possible for ner'zhul to corrupt Bolvar?

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Who else /beenheretoolongtocareaboutwhatfactionyoureonanymore/?

I just go with whatever race lets my transmogs look the best.

>>382981272
why the fuck is everything lined with thick bars of metal in the warcraft universe?
>bra
>inch thick metal lining
>panties
>inch thick metal lining
>cloak
>inch thick metal bars running down the front along with more metal lining
>etc
shit's fucking ridiculous

>>382980817
Please don't mention my OC here someone might steal it

>>382981998
Chinese mining bots, of course.

This game is worthless if you're not playing with good friends and at least somewhat competitively. (Rated Arena/High M+ dungeons, Mythic raiding).

I seriously don't know how some people can log in and casually do WQ's, run a LFG and LFR dungeon or two and log off. I guess there might be something... zen garden like about that? Personally after I quit raiding I tried the casual approach of doing a little of everything but at the end of the day it was like having a second job as I struggled to find the willpower to go through the daily checklist of content.

>>382981950
He even cut out his heart and threw it down into the catacombs of ICC. Theres a quest where you go find it.

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>>382968182
I thought I was the chosen one.

This is not fair, I'm unsubscribing from this piece of shit game. I'm going to a real grindan that actually satiates my god complex.

>>382982124
Its only a second job if you make it one

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The only realistic step forward from this expansion in terms of power levels and abandoning your artifacts is to have the player absorb the power inside of it. That way it can still be 'hung up' in a sense and lore wise it wont be that infuriating.

This expansion has completely devalued legendaries in so many aspects and I hope to god they dont have more than a handful in the next expac

After this whole legion invasion / titan fighting, Blizz seriously needs to scale back down the enemies we face and bring us back to being a seasoned adventurer.

>>382981764
>>382981764
>implying Stratholme could be saved
>taking the bait for an obvious trap
>figuring out a way to betray his own men, his father, and mercenaries that he's hired
>all done in the span of a week at most and more than likely within the day
>nearly killing a friend for the sake of "muh vengeance"
>taking a sword that consumes ones soul
>as well as the souls that he's killed
>not bad

Nah he fucked up pretty badly and never learned the lesson that Uther tried to teach him when they destroyed that one group of Blackrock orcs.

>>382981950
If you're talking about stratholme then you're a moron. He had the best plan for dealing with that shit and inadvertently saved the world. Without him doing that the continent is overrun by undead and everything gets fucked

>>382981969
>play as a goblin
>it would be 100% in character for me to work for whatever and whoever so long as it pays

what if
time ISNT money

>>382982282
There doesn't need to be anything special done

>next expansion rolls around
>You can just do the artifact power stuff now
>No questions asked

Game play mechanics do not need a lore explanation

>>382981998
It's a problem you see in a lot of games, devs suddenly have all this computing power and storage space so they go fucking apeshit with the armor/npc design and everything ends up looking ridiculously over-designed and needlessly complicated because they had to give 6 different graphical artists a job to do.

Simple is often best. Just look at the underwear on the left, it's actually just underwear. What kind of fucking person needs to buy metal-reinforced armor encrusted with fucking gemstones for a bra?

>>382982396
I was specifically talking about when he pulled the sword out of the ice with full knowledge of that it was going to kill his dwarf bro and did not so much as flinch at the thought. And no, no matter how you want to meme it. Culling Strarholme was not the right choice.

>>382982481
The Draenei do love their gemstones...

>>382981969
Factions frankly stopped mattering when Blood Elves were added to the game. It was the designated alliance re-roller class and it became the dominant race of the horde because alliance shitters just plain out numbered horde that bad in those days.

>>382982219
Iunno man, that's the problem with a persistent online community. Maybe it's just me but only doing content after like 20,000 other players already got there first and are now bored with it just doesn't suit my tastes at all. I mean it was fine back in the day when there were grinds you could simply do at your own pace and took dedication instead of just showing up every day/week to do repeatable quests.

But now Blizz just wants those monthly subs to keep ticking over by artificially gating literally everything. I hate that daily shopping list mentality.

>>382978717
They use "Might" I don't know where that belongs but thats what they use

>>382982641
>Someone else clearing this raid somehow takes away from me clearing it as well

I really don't understand your logic anon. If I wake up earlier than you tommorow, will that just shit up your entire day?

If I had any control at Blizz I would have announced that Legion was the first of the final three expansions for WoW.

There's no way they can keep it going for another two. Might as well build some hype and lure players in to 'ride out' the final moments of the biggest MMO ever.

>>382982512
Yeah the whole evil runeblade was a poor choice but he had no idea it would kill Muradin. To be fair he had snapped at this point, which I could see happening when you had to kill some of your own people to save many more and have your trusted advisor/teacher leave you at a very pivotal moment along with your friend/lover. Also how was Strarholme culling a bad choice? It was do this now or everyone dies

>>382982641
the game was always like that, only your personal perception changed.

game had weekly lockouts right off the bat. thats the definition of time wasting shit to keep subscriptions rolling.

>>382982802
>Also how was Strarholme culling a bad choice? It was do this now or everyone dies

We're not doing this again anon, we've had this conversation ten thousand times. Stop memeing this shit you are worse than the 'Garrosh did nothing wrong" fags. you aren't being pragmatic you're just being edgy.

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>>382982735
I'm saying that when you finally get to the content, there's nobody to talk to about it who hasn't already done it and finds it old and stale. It's disheartening, like buying a game that was really popular on /v/ three months ago and trying to have an exciting thread about it.

>>382977574
Nothing Goyi- I mean gnome

>>382982695
>When WoW has less cartoony enemy design than Diablo 3

>>382982512
Explain how you would handle it then, since
>Mal'Ganis was teleporting the zombies out
>no cure for the plague
>no time to check to see who ate the plagued grain and who didn't

Strath was ready to be culled when Arthas arrives and Mal'Ganis attacks, it's just a matter of when they would be forced to fight those people as opposed to whether or not they would fight them.

>>382982890
Edgy how? I like that your argument is lel memes but that's not an actual argument. A soon to be king has to make tough decisions and this was one of them. What's you're answer? Let them be and have the whole place raze itself and others? You do get this was the scourge we're talking about right?

>>382983097
That's an upcoming WoW mount not a diablo enemy

>>382983030
If you're getting to the content behind everyone else there are other people getting to the content behind everyone else. Find a community you belong in. that is literally the entire point of MMOs. The social aspect.

>>382980142
Too bad they look ugly as fuck in game.

>>382967754
Have they fixed unholy death knights in this latest patch? That rotation felt so fucking clunky, i hated it.

>>382983423
>Still has the hooves and horns

This is the only thing that really bothers me about it

>>382983507
The image is fake.

>>382983423
I mean they atleast could have go full angel instead of this shiny demonic form

I love legion lore. Not because its good, on contrary, its so cheesy and over the top i cant hate it.

>>382983030
This is pretty much the reason why i really only play wow launches, retail or private. Its fun to sort of race and figure things out together with people when stuff is still fresh. Kara 2.0 was pretty awesome first day before people knew how to smash through it.

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Stopped playing WoW because blizz decided to be massive cunts and remove Metamorphosis from Demo locks. Legit one of the scummiest things to happen to the class.

>>382982613
I really want Blizzard to simply remove the factions, and add more minor races like gnolls, ogres, and so on.
We need to move on from this horde vs alliance shite, it's simply stupid at this point

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>>382973228
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrRYDzuwa-Q

>>382983661
its literally SC2s ending lol

>>382983780
This cannot happen as long as pvp shitters exist

They actually wanted to do that at one point, it even made it into the game magazines but the back lash

>>382983694
Shaman here, we lost our totems in cata and I will never recover

>>382982695
This needs to be a Hunter pet.

>>382983893
PVP constantly ruined wow, it was a mistake. You could probably come up with mercenaries to explain why a gnome is helping a tauren in killing a human, but pvp players would still chimp out.

>>382983507
But anon, they're holy horns n' hooves now.

>>382978717
Probably somewhere around the Titans, Earth and Reality considering the various abilities they have. Player character warriors aren't just simple foot-soldiers, even if that might have been how they were presented in Vanilla.

I hope we get more draenei monk lore on Argus. They and the Belf are the best races to move forward the monk lore, but I want to keep BElf free for the inevitable BElf druid option for the players.

>>382983872
This. SC2 has you go into the void to defeat the Void Lord Amon.
Now WoW wants us to defeat Void Gods in... the Void.

How fucking stupid. This is why a franchise should never reach dimension-jumping multi-world heights unless it's tabletop or very well written space opera.

>>382984020
And they have the opposite perspective, that the game is meant to be focused on the 'war craft' angle of things and that the emphasis on dragonslaying is a detriment.

I mean, to a degree I can agree with them. I do wish large-scale world pvp had more of an impact on the game.

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>>382983905
>hunters can tame all manner of beasts from humble bears, cats, and wolves to bizarre things like sporebats, chimaeras, and fucking robots
>still can't tame a goddamn elephant

>>382984446
You can have world pvp without factions and without pretending it's balanced. What needs to go is organized pvp.

>>382983893
>lost our totems in cata
Shamans still had totems in Cata.
I remember leveling a Goblin and dropping my 4 little drills before every fight.

Still, losing totems at all fucking sucked.

>>382984525
Factions are about emphasizing solidarity, which was and perhaps still is - for some - the biggest draw of the game.

Let me tell you, back in the days of Vanilla, if word got out that the enemy was trying to raid Org and kill Thrall players would rush to try and defend. Even if they were in other cities at the time.

>>382984706
Vanilla was almost 15 years ago. Now there is no reason to be still in factions, even considering the scale of the enemies we fight now, how much we had to help each other across factions, and how many problems there are inside each factions and especially the horde.

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>>382984884
>Vanilla was almost 15 years ago

>>382967754
its good that i quit this shity game.

>>382985016
Actually, only 13 years ago.

>>382984884
You have a point, from a lore perspective it's completely ridiculous that my character would be attacked by the guards of any player faction on Azeroth. At the very least you'd think they'd be neutral unless you start shit or neutral around the entrances but hostile if you trespass too far.

>>382985043
Thanks for your blog

>>382979735
"people are sick of thrall being the saviour of azeroth and doing literally everything in the story"
"yeah like make it illidan instead, everyone likes illidan"

Anons, what's more fun atm? rogue or warrior? I just want to do cool shit while I hit my buttons in raids. Don't mean numbers or anything, just animations, effects, and rotations feeling the most like their respective class? Wanna just have fun while I'm doing all the tedious shit this game offers.

>>382985214
They didn't have much choice honestly. Thrall was hated so they needed someone, Yrel failure (I liked her though) stopped them from coming up with someone new, and there was no way they could have picked the PC.
Who else is there?

>>382985268
Fury Warrior is really good gameplay wise but kinda mediocre in terms of numbers. Sub Rogue is also fun but doesn't have as many cool effects as Fury.

>>382985214
And Illidan more or less immediately teleported a giant death rock into our atmosphere. Way better dude.

>>382985370
>Who else is there?
Me'dan

>>382981008
Tich's rank is on par with Mannoroth's, his operations as the lunch king's jailer and chief "fuck up Lordaeron" went smoothly, and he really only encountered his first BTFO moment in the Nighthold where he wasn't in charge of operations.

That's opposed to Varimathras, a mid-tier dreadlord, who:

1. Was defeated by one of Arthas's renegade zombies (how embarassig)
2. Allowed himself to serve under and even swear into her service (lol)
3. Then demonstrated this "loyalty" by killing another Dreadlord, one of the few taboos their kind even have (wwwwwwwwww)
4. Then, after serving this renegade zombie for YEARS, develop a superweapon for them and fail in your attempted coup (ebin, simply ebin)

Starting the next Burning Legion invasion was the only way to clear his name and even he fucked that up. Besides the guys who let the dreadlord homeworld get 9/11'd there's not many more of his kind out there that probably got and deserved that torture.

>>382983893
Well pvp doesn't exist outside arena now so the coast is clear.

>>382985370
The problem is that they didn't need someone. They needed writers who didn't rely on some jesus figure doing everything.

>>382985437
cool, will check both out and see what I like more. I wasn't aware there was a try a free 100 mode till right after I posted. Thanks anon.

>>382984519
Fuck elephants, I want to tame Druids. We're masters of putting filthy animals in their place, including aliens and frankenstein monsters; why can't we tame a bunch of hippies and minotaurs? It's not hard; make Tame Beast work on a Druid, it kicks them out of their animal form for a few seconds (Or until Tame Beast is ended early), and the hunter gets the pet if they aren't stopped in the short process. It could be a Spirit Beast for beast mastery hunters since it's literally taming a spirit animal, after all. Imagine this happening in a battleground;

>Enemy Guardian Druid has an orb in Temple of Kotmogu
>Hunter snares him with Binding Arrow, uses Tame Beast
>Guardian Druid loses bear form, gets melted

Solves the problem of bear druids being fucking invincible in pvp, AND lets a Hunter get a nice new pet.

>>382985553
I'm curious, where would Mal'Ganis fit on that ranking? On par with Tich? Lower? Higher?

>>382985738
Keep in mind that Sub gets half of its energy regen from its artifact so at 100 it's really slow.

>>382985819
Lower than Varimathas since the plan from the get go involved Arthas killing him and they had to have noticed that when Ner'zhul sent the relevent documents up the chain of command for their stamp of approval.

>>382985547
Delete this

>>382985437
Is there a slow spec in the game anymore? I actually really enjoyed Arms in HFC but now instead of being deliberate big hits it sounds like it's the same as everything else.

>>382986043
Really? I always thought of him as a big shot. Fair enough. Makes me feel a bit less frustrated that we haven't seen him other than in that one scene on the Broken Shore in Legion.

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>>382986054
He already was though.

>>382984343
and illidan, who was an anti-hero with cleft feet, wings and a corrupted appearance will turn gold and firey and fight the void lords.

>>382979524
underrated post

>>382985707
Now you are asking too much

>>382985819
I would assume Mal'Ganis was above Varimathras but not by much. At the very least, he wasn't on zombieland clean up duty along with Varimathras and the two other dreadlords.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised that, assuming V-daddy didn't pigeonhole himself into being the stupidest fucking not-vampire in the universe, he could have outranked Mal'Ganis by now thanks to the latter's failed get-Lordaeron-quick schemes.

>>382985547
I wonder how long it would take to someone firebomb blizz offices if they actually made med'an not only relevant, but the super hero he is in the comics and saved everyones asses from the legion and the void.
3-4 days?

>>382978431
The more and more I see Blizzard mangle the lore the more I think Garithos did absolutely nothing wrong.

Azshara when? My favorite part of the War of the Ancients book was Mannoroth shitting himself when he realized he was making her angry.