Just a reminder that if you play souls for anything but pvp you're

>>382931813
> PvP in dark souls
Literally the most shallow PvP experience in gaming history.

>>382931813
Shit thread kys

>>382932005
You're just bad and can't adapt.

>>382932059
Do you even play?

>>382932091
It is fine to like casual PvP experiences, but unlike you, I'd rather play some real competitive PvP.

>>382932091

Adapt to what? It's shallow, there's very little to learn.

>>382932963
what do you play? I agree that dark souls pvp is retarded.

>>382931813
this thread is so shit I will kys myself

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Why did the gestures in the series get more and more shit?
Stretch Out and Patches Squat are coll though.

>>382933203
>female

>>382932963
It's only casual because shit players like you play it

>>382933019
Not really.

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>>382933203
Best emote coming through

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>/v/ can't out-argue this

>>382931813
>Shitty delay based netcode that leads to all kinds of phantom hits/misses
>RPG mechanics that are always designed for single player in mind, leading to stagnant meta until it gets nerfed into the ground and everyone picks the second best thing instead
>Rolling which makes any range attack worthless in every single game unless you abuse the previously stated shitty netcode or use 1-2 spells per game (that get nerfed eventually)

souls is genuinely one of the worst pvp experiences of all time, something that attracts the worst kind of big fish in a small pond mentality players

>>382933203
Dks2 had some decent ones but generally weaker. Dks3 brought back point down which is cool

>>382933257
no it's casual because its focused on farming/build development more than actual skill. Real skill in dark souls is no leveling naked runs desu

>>382933530
You actually just admitted you can't adapt.

>>382933550
Not at all. Also you need to be a special breed of retard to not use a mule.

>>382931813
>swing great club
>win

wow real fun

>>382933859
Stop playing against trash.

I dropped the game once I beat the campaign because going up against katana spammers wasn't fun. The range on that is greater than big guy weapon and all the spears. Absolutely retarded.

>>382933676
Explain how exactly you adapt to lag or broken shit like DS2 launch hexing, where the meta is "use this build or lose to it"

Unless you mean "adapt" by playing a legitimate competitive game and not a minigame in a single player rpg with netcode that feels like you're underwater and hasn't been improved at all in almost a decade?

>>382933834
mules are only useful in the real competitive game known as starcraft.

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>implying dark souls pvp isn't about making others eat dirt

>>382933961
It's not and katana spam is a easy way to get backstabbed in all the games.

>>382934000
You are aware of the shitty netcode so what exactly is the problem?

>>382933454
>not even a used emote
>well! what is it! was in ds3 files but was never used
god fucking damnit Miyazaki

>>382931813
>souls pvp
>even close to the depth of any other 1v1 fighting game
LMAOING @ this souls babby

>>382934348
Have you ever even played dks1 pvp?

>>382934348
Who implied this?

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Just a reminder that if you play souls for anything but pve your retarded.

FTFY

>>382934440
I did, and I know plenty of good players that did as well, and most of them were fighting game rejects. I'm guessing you are a township shitter who thinks he's good at the game because he watched the sick tech videos and knows all the 9000 ways to backstab.

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>>382934273
Yeah lemme just "adapt" to getting backstabbed by someone while I'm in the middle of the animation backstabbing them.

>>382932091
?
R1 spam?

What was the gesture button in DeS again? Holding X or something else?

>>382934748
I don't play dks1 so nah.

>>382933454
>Bellfry Luna PVP
I see your a man of culture as well

>>382934921
what souls game do you play for pvp then

>>382934951
Invasions are absolute shit.

>>382934951
I probably spent 1000 hours just there.

Invade as red and just kill everything, host, grey or blue it ain't matter.

>>382931813
>phantom range and shit netcode
>pay to win, overpowered DLC weapons
>same overpowered no fun straight sword phantom range dark buff builds over and over in arena

Wow, so this is a the superior to PVE gaming experience? Did i miss anything?

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>>382931813
>dark souls
>pvp

I always run away and hide during invasions. I use chameleon when I can. I do this to waste as much of the invader's time as possible. When they finally find me I just alt + F4.

>>382934273
you didn't address his other points at all, the pvp is fucking broken in every one of these games

>>382935238
These are all dumb complaints, go whine about them to reddit instead of putting some effort in to counter them.

>>382931813
>pvp in anything ever
Disgusting. Enjoy people running and jumping around in impossible poses and angles, while changing directions mid-air.

>>382933515
I'm glad you get so much out of such a simple set up.
Maybe when you're older you could try something that's actually difficult to master which you can't just google "Best strength build" and win, like a fighting game.

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>>382935137
Invasions are a art.

>>382935537
Good for you.

>>382935537
Not at all.

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>>382931813

>>382931813
Just play a fighting game, retard.

As a massive PVPfag, it's actually the opposite. If you play the Souls for the PVP, you are a massive retard and I am retarded. There are so many better, more balanced games I could have put the 3000+ hours I devoted into Souls into that would have lead to more fun, making more friends, and reaching a skill ceiling that doesn't rely on absurd glitches/abusing shallow mechanics. It was a mistake and I regret it immensely.

Invasions are fun, but the less casual you play Souls PVP the worse it becomes. At the end of the day, it was never meant to be the fighting game the PVP community wants it to be and the gameplay doesn't hold up to playing it that way.

Dark Souls 2 had the only good pvp but it was easy as shit.

Dark Souls 3's shitty netcode made me stop playing all together

>>382935893
Thank you.

>>382935920
What souls game did you pvp in? I'm guessing dark souls 1, 90% of the pvp against good players is abusing shallow mechanics and glitches, but dks2 also has some "tech"

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>>382935541
Typical dark souls 3 low iq PVP player, can't even refute a single point, just says claims reddit. How does shit netcode and phantom range result in a fun and balanced PVP experience?

>>382935683
>>382935841
not an argument, are all pvpfags this retarded?

>>382935916
Sure when they make one that's fun

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I really like this thread.

Just a reminder
Spears > Straight Swords > Halberds > Great hammers > Maces > Greatswords > Fists > Throwing items > Whips > Scythes > Wildly flailing arms > UGS

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I enjoy the PvP of the series but god damn do I hate the mentality that surrounds the whole Souls fanbase in regards to PvP. All this MUH HONOUR and MUST BE A FAIR FIGHT shit is annoying as fuck when the whole purpose of invading is basically to fuck over the host.

>>382936138
Haven't played dks3 and don't intend to do so.

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>>382936397
>Spears at the top

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THE STRONGEST BEYBLADE

>>382936397
Katanas > Everything else
t. elite dark souls gaymer

>>382931813
>playing a soul game only for the minigame is the true way to play
Yeah nah.

what if I don't enjoy pvp but enjoy pve though

>>382936624
>Katanas > Everything else
t. bloodstain

>>382935920
This man gets it

>>382931813
Demon's Souls 0-3 grass was the only good one though for pvp?
DkS2 had great arenas and guard break.
BB had a great emphasis on spacing and heal punishing.
But DeS was the fucking Mahvel2 of Souls PvP, the only one that was fun.
>BSes were easy to counter, but if someone fucked up you could BS punish them.
>no poise, just a handful of hyper swings... so a strong emphasis on space control and playing in the pocket instead of spaming infinites and BSes.
>could break infinites, which meant you couldn't be R1-smashed out... and also led to resets.
>every weapon type had it least one viable representative, which only daggers being piss poor (and even then they were okay), a great tier list of weapons.
>Could combo off spells.
>proper okizeme for a few weapons with legit 50/50s that didn't involve chain bs horseshit.
>could roll punish.
>parry had enough active frames that you catch a lot of moves by sight, however recovery was slow, so parry could be baited and punished.
>best moveset in the series (estoc).
>shields were strong but not the best.
>Second chance meant no 1hkos, but could not be reused in a fight.
>only unbreakable infinite was hilarious and bad (headbutt spam with knuckle).
>faster than dks1/2.
>tons of builds, variations, and meta builds.
>normal invasion system that meant straight 1v1s while still having a dedicated duel/gank arena.
>off-hand kat had more depth than powerstance somehow.
>only 3 viable attack spells, but all 3 were good if you got gud with em.

the only thing that sucked was the heal system.
t. father of all des/dks1 pvp.

>>382936651
Then you play pve. ez

>>382936282
>>382936593
How does one do so much damage without a weapon?! What the fuck

>>382936119
I've played them all Anon. Every single one of them, even Demon's Souls. I played that mega casually though, like most people did back then.

I will admit that Dark Souls 2 probably has the most "balanced" PVP out of all of the games, but the actual gameplay still felt like shit to play because of how clunky it was. I couldn't get over that after playing for like four months and went back to Dark Souls 1 for more glitchy Jap Hornet Club grabass.

>>382936517
Is there even such thing as a bad spear?

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>>382936624
t. that faggot that does nothing but running r1s

i enjoy parrying you very much

>>382936845
What was your handle in DeS?

>>382936952
>parrying
>dark souls 2
L M A O
M
A
O

>>382936845
"Balanced" lemme see, jesters, gowers, turtle armor, lottery gauntlets, ring of thorns, shields, recovery cancels, quick attacks, roll punches, passive resto. There's probably more stupidly strong shit just can't think of any right now.

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Invasions can be fun, but only if the host isn't running with a gank squad.

>>382937259
You forgot the "amazing" arena that matches any sl, I sure love fighting healing 838s with my 150

>>382937462
Stop playing dks3

>>382937462
>ds3 prioritizes gank squads when invading
the literal opposite of fun. I'll keep forgetting this and think I'll invade just for fun and then show up in someones world with three sunbros. sweet

>>382937505
Drop heals are really the only good heal. Easy to punish otherwise

>>382937675
You forgot scraps to heal?

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>>382937462
Perfect

>>382937721
Block and backstab, even blocking with your weapon works.

>>382937462
About 98% of hosts I invade have m8 in DS3. Most of the time it's at least 2 phantoms. Does any fucking one even play through dark souls alone anymore?

In 1 and 2 that wasn't the case.

>>382937857
Blocking with your weapon staggers you 99% of the time, as far as I remember. I don't think I was ever brave enough to try blocking scraps, I quickroll if people do it to me on wakeup.

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>>382937548
Because I just love longer queue times.
>>382937629
>>382937860
It's even worse when they hide out at the bonfire and send their endless hordes at you. Overcoming those odds are great though.

>>382931813
Literally the exact opposite is true, Souls is about the PvE experience, with a few online elements thrown in. Being a "PvPer" is just autism.

>>382937462
>tfw you get put into miyazaki's blender

Ganks would be 100% times easier to deal with if you could actually punish Estus. You're lucky to get somebody in a 2R1 chain on heal, exposing you to possibly get blended by the host and the other phantom. An Estus should be a free BS unless they're really far away 100% of the time.

>>382936995
I highly doubt you would know me, I literally did invasions and occasionally some Red Eye stuff on NA.

>>382937860
The invasion algorithm prioritizes hosts with phantoms for no legitimate fucking reason

>>382936812
vanquisher's seal in sotfs

>>382937998
Yeah but you can still get a backstab off if they decide to heal.

>>382938156
I probably did 10k invasions/red eye in 4-1 DeS over the course of 18 months.

>>382937629
I'm cool with it personally. That's what I want when I do an invasion. You have way fewer tools to delete phantoms in Dark Souls 3 than you did in the previous games because of how the mechanics work, but still. If I want shitty 1v1s, I'll put my sign down or go to the arena. A solo host is a win about 99% of the time anyway, which is just as not fun.

>>382938107
orlly

>>382937462
Aldrich faithful is the only real way I invade because it's just a massive free for all.

>>382938581
Bruh, it's all about the Grand Archives. That mist room that blocks lock ons, the wax crutch, those gargoyle and trio bros to gank the gankers.

>>382933203
Better question, why the fuck did they remove gestures from previous games. Why not just keep adding on?

>>382933203
DaS2 had sick emotes though. No way fag and mock were too good.

>>382939014
You dks3 negroes ruined the thread

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>>382939265
>Thread about Souls PvP
>People talk about Souls PvP
Really makes you think.

>>382939528
Yeah but the bad one

>>382934090
I am big guy with big weapon
I cannot get close to him, but when he gets close to me he does it quicker

>>382939609
Oh, never mind then.

>>382931813
Souls PvP is for brainlets who can't into fightan. This is a fact that you cannot dispute.

>>382931813
pvp is literally the worst part of any souls game outside the meme videos

>>382937192
parrying is easiest to do in Dark souls 2 though, just use a buckler

>>382940437
>want to get into fightan
>guilty gear looks fun
>like 300 people playing at peak, would probably get my ass absolutely demolished for months on end before i even had a chance at being able to have fun matches with people

This is a bad feel.

>>382933515
What's Sillyscript?

>>382940634
doesn't work in pvp against anyone with a brain, since you can't reaction parry any of the good/top tier weapons
incredibly easy to punish as well, don't think you are good because you can backstep parry some pve lord that has 20 hours in the game

>>382938184
it prioritizes hosts with phantoms because because it gives the invaders less of an advantage

>>382940910
reaction parries are stupid though, a parry should be a prediction and knowing how your opponent is going swing his weapon. Now something you can just flick a second before it happens

>>382941050
Too bad you can't predict parry anyone in DaS2, especially unlocked players because of how movement works. It works on paper/against bad players, but as soon as the opponent is aware you will try to parry he can simply bait out your parries or throw you off. It works against bad weapons sometimes. It works in DaS1 sometimes as a backstab whiff punish, not sure about DaS3.

>>382941445
If latency is good, you can reaction parry certain weapons in Dark Souls 3 with small shield or a fist weapon. Curved Great Swords are particularly vulnerable to this as they're probably the slowest weapons that can still be parried.

Parries are still the favorite tool of the mid-level shitter though and can usually be read a mile away.

I play it for both pvp and coop

you gotta alternate because the sunny d sipping, down pointing fags get annoying after awhile.

also modders are scum and should be reported 100% of the time

>b-but I'm only here to fight gankers

git gud you fuck, you're adding to the problem

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>>382931813
Man I used to be addicted to the PvP.

Havelmoms are gay.

>>382931813
>REEEEEEEEE DO THINGS THE WAY I SAY TO DO THEMMMMMMMMMMMMMM