What is /v/'s opinion of the paladin class?

not as cool as liches

>>382919182
They're fine but I'd usually rather just play a fighter or something.

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paladins r gay

>>382919182
They seem like they would be super anti-fun.

Like if someone in the party wanted to steal something from a jew merchant instead of paying for it, wouldn't the Paladin be like NOPE, CAN'T LET YOU DO THAT, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW or some shit?

Paladins are faggots.

>>382919182
They're cool as fuck.
>courage of a warrior; fights with melee weapons
>holy magic
>heal allies while also tanking
>plate armor
>bitchin' weapons
>favor of God
What's not to like?

>>382919182
/tg/ paladins are obnoxious and boring as fuck.

>>382919182
There aren't enough games with paladins, especially ones where the class is actually good.
In old D&D games, it is always better to pick one or two levels of paladin then level any other class than actually going full paladin.

Too many games where paladins are just bad warriors with heal spells, not enough where you actually disable enemies and smite shit with holy magic.

>>382920007
>those fags who ree and throw a fit if you want to play anything other than lawful good

>>382920209
You're looking for cleric.

If your game has more classes than Warrior/Rogue/Mage then you fucked up.

My favorite archetype. Tanking and healing at the same time is my dream in every game.

>>382920034

True, true. Pathfinder paladins are really strong, though-hopefully that carries over to the game that's coming out.

STR + FTH is the true way of the lord.

It's usually what I end up playing.

I like warriors with a self heal, and the armor is usually so flashy. Great for solo play.

My only complaint is when they are too defensive oriented. I should be able to roll as a offensive paladin if I want.

>>382919182
literally a puny failed warrior in fruity armor with substandard heals that spends all his time praying and self-flagellating like a little faggot while the big-dik warrior is more swole, drinks beer, and gets to fuck wenches and holy maidens while the paladin watches with his microdik and necros/lich teases him nonstop.

>>382920641
Fuck off, I love games with tons of classes

If you don't DEUS VULT then you're not my buddy.

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>>382920641
if your game has set roles for your classes you fucked up

Bonus points for no healer

Depends on the lore about them. If it's like that in WoW and how perverted the ideas became then I wouldn't say that great. If they are Holy Knights fighting demons and undead for some cause, it's good. Additionally if they are more akin to Crusaders as opposed to just upgrades knights, that is even better, especially when they are crazy zealous against anything non-human.

>>382921051
It depends on the game but I like strictly defined classes.

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I prefer being a simple knight fighting for king and country. No magic, no gods, no demons. Just a man and his sword.

Play them whenever I can.

fuck elves and fuck the undead

>>382921051
>game doesn't have classes and lets you freely build what you want.
>You still end up making what would pretty much be a defined class in any other game.

I mean its a great idea on paper and all. but classes are just a more balanced, more polished way of going about it.

>>382919936
This is true. When they are about being moral instead of being holy, I lose interest. They should care about killing demons and the undead, not caring about the petty affairs of man like commerce or politics. A true paladin wouldn't give a fuck about stealing or rape or murder, they have a holy hard-on for killing liches and warlocks only.

>>382921273
In most settings a paladin would be obliged to help elves if they were in need.

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>>382919182
Chronomancer will always be the best Class in a fantasy game.

too bad that there are almost no games featuring this class well except for rougelike games.

>>382919936
>doesnt let you break the law
gee i wonder why. the law is the law, there is no reason to break it, justify your thieving somewhere else, this is a paladin thread.

depends how well they perform in the game.
>op as fuck because tanky and good dps
>shit because too many restrictions and not even good at their specialization. supposed be good against demons and undead, but other classes do better and they're not even pallies.

They're fighters for fags

>>382921040
>Wanting a dev to design 20+ vary slightly different classes that you're locked into upon picking rather than a very basic slate of starting classes which can be molded into nearly anything

>>382921216
Knight with two-handed sword is just so aesthetic, shame you'd be fucked in a second without a shield IRL.

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>>382920034
the fuck are you talking about

>>382919936
>>382921507
>>382921362

Paladins aren't about "the law", they're about order. Laws change from place to place, order is the same everywhere. A paladin might look the other way if a person steals from a person who is charging far too much for his goods during a time of crisis, or from an extremely wealthy person in order to feed the hungry.

Doing the moral thing sometimes requires not doing the orderly thing, and vice versa. Paladins are required to navigate those gray areas.

>>382921789
Pretty sure shields fell heavily out of favour after plate mail got good.

>>382921507
So a Paladin would rather get ripped off and pay way too much for quest related item than break the law and fuck over Jewy McBignose the merchant?

Are they constantly told there's an old lady that needs help with her groceries down the street while the rest of the party make progress?

>>382920034
In old D&D games, you can't multi class or dual class Paladins.
Wasn't until 3.0 came around that you could do that.

>>382921443

Elves are douchebags, anon. They act so fucking smug because no one's bothered to kill them in three hundred years, and dump any problem they can't handle with moonsong and tree magic into humanity's lap.

fighters are dumb
warriors don't have enough armor
paladins use dumb ass magic
the only acceptable melee class is knight

>I want the defense and security of a tank but also for people to kiss my ass to get healed
>Also an enormously powerful deity to protect me and smite anyone who hurts my feelings

Paladins are scum.

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>>382921928
That really depends on the paladin's god and as far as law goes? Lawful good doesn't mean lawful in accordance with local laws. It means lawful in accordance with a characters own code.

If an Orc's personal code tells me him to smash the skull of every elf he sees and he does it. Then that is a lawful orc

>>382922035
Cool man, I don't really care about the elf circlejerk. Just saying paladins in most settings have to help those in need or whatever. If elves and humans are at war in that setting then that obviously doesn't apply, but they're usually allies.

>>382919182
Depends on how they are done. Religious zealots that purge and cleanse everything corrupt in their path without mercy? Good.
Goody goody lawful bootlickers? Lame.

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>>382922128
Spotted the faggy skeleton .

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>not being a Blackguard.
>Running around helping every little peasant instead of slaying them and raising them as your servant
>Praying to some dinky god who probably doesn't even exist instead of directly communicating with your dark master in person.

How can holycucks even compete?

>>382922128
Dark Knight is THE ultimate hero.
>Raise people from the death through your will alone.
>Raise YOURSELF from the dead because you fucking say so.
>Healing spells? What are you a faggot? Drink the blood of your enemies for health.
>An eternity to practice fighting skills
>An eternity to lrn2 magic without divine help.
>Even if you get killed for real Death is a bro and will let you return and conquer the world or some shit.

Dante's Inferno.

>>382922225

>Usually allies

For all the fucking good it's done humanity. Next time the villain turns out to be some self-pitying knife-ear who got made humanity's problem by their knife-ear friends, I say step up the slash-and-burn.

>>382922185
No, "lawful" is a property of the universe, not localized regions. Personal convictions do not apply.
Your argument "smash all elf skulls" is true, though. That's certainly lawful, it's just not good. It's the difference between order and chaos. However, the orderliness of a person and a God is defined by overall orderliness, not just one single idea "smash all elf skulls".

>>382922687
Yep, them knife ears, grr I get so mad. Don't you get bored of memes?

>>382922701
That really depends on the setting in question. D&D gets a handwave because it has the asinine energy system where some spells illogically generate negative and positive energy

>>382922794
You're on a board specifically about playing pretend. That's what video games are, playing.
Don't you get bored of shitposting?

>>382919254
For real, lich power is real power

Blackguards are cooler

>No uptight attitude
>Don't lose powers if you make one tiny mistake in your morality
>Bros with the devil
>Fuck succubi all day
>Hang around with liches, doomlords and other high ranking baddies who get shit done

>>382922794
No. Elves are cunts.
>Have thousands of years to learn all sorts of amazing shit.
>Can still be overpowered by a decent human hero.
>Act all cocky because "muh longevity" even though humans own the fucking planet.
Elves are for slavery or to be kept alive in reserves.

>>382922942
You can play pretend with your own ideas. For example I hate short races and kill dwarves gnomes hobbits halflings etc on sight. You're parroting /v/'s accepted opinion 1 for 1. It makes me feel like I'm not talking to a real person but just some program trying to fit in.

>>382923045
And dwarves fuck their own society but still have an abundance of pride in almost every setting. Humans are generally the mary sue of fantasy. Not really good at anything but still win with the power of friendship.

>>382923062
I don't hate elves specifically. I hate ALL non-human races. Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Minotaurs, Mermaids, Undead and Demons. Doesn't matter.

>>382923168
Then why are you even playing fantasy games.

>>382923157
Dwarves are ok as long as you keep them away from money and booze. They'd make a decent Artisan/Engineer Caste.

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>>382923168

>>382923168
Fair enough, just be aware humans are the real mary sues usually.

>>382923315
To be a zealous crusader and kill them all? You ask a lot of stupid questions.

I KICK ASS FOR THE LORD!

>>382923045
Humans are always the huge attention whore protagonists of any and every setting regardless if the setting is trying to do that or not.

>>382923373
Garithos did nothing wrong.

>>382923157
Yeah, I really hate the "most of the world is ruled by humans" trope because they're "adaptive" and shit. Just bad writing and masturbatory imho.

>>382919182
They're my favorite class because they look cool and they always have cool weapons.

I want more of the Uther variety of paladin, and less of the Arthus variety.

>>382919182
They were fun until WoW made them extremely popular.

>>382919182

Thought they were pretty gay as a kid.
By now, I still do.

>>382923604
So warhammer instead of greatsword?

>>382923507
Garithos did EVERYTHING wrong
>let's ally with the undead who have broken free of the lich king
>what could possible go wron-aw fuck I'm dead

>>382923543
As much as people bitch about Elves or other races apparently being super human, somehow the humans are never shown to lose to them consistently.

If a game lets you roll a minotaur or something, how the fuck would a human stand a chance against that. Go fight a gorilla and tell me how that goes for you.

>>382919182
Enjoyed it on NWN

>>382919182
Some cocksleeve for a random supernatural being, not enough ballsy to go full physical and not enough dedicated to learn actual magic besides begging some god for some pity healing or gimmick magic.

But worst of all, they're all invariably filthy, pathetic lawfags, the only bearable paladin is the one with a murderboner for elves like this distinguished gentleman here>>382923168
because let's be honest, who likes elves?

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Man I loves classes. The idea of a variegated group with the member having various specilized roles, different skills and attitudes and usually different gameplay is very cool. I love it.

So /v/, what are some games that have the concept of classes done right?

>>382923062

There's plenty of asshole elves in games, you think it's weird that lots of people hate them for good reason?

>>382923732
Look at FFXI. The Elvaan literally controlled most of the world and had some of the most powerful knights under their command. They consistently beat all the other races and built their Empire. No one could compete until Humes adapted and created guns and absolutely fucked them up and made them stand down. That's how. I can't beat a Gorilla with my fists, but I can sure as shit kill it with a gun.

>>382923732
Eh. Considering how mages can become literal artillery pieces or fuck the laws of reality, I don't see that big of a problem with a human fighter doing something way above the possible for a normal human

>>382921684
Then how would you play as a barefist monk?

>>382923694
More "Light and Justice" and less "lmao genocide"

>>382923486
LoTR
>Humans get attacked by Sauron and Saruman
>Humans decide to take action against them, with some elves, who, after some discussion, appoint mostly Humans to defend Humans from the dark lord's forces.
>Humans defeat the orcs
>Human King returns and makes Sauron tremble while Elves are sailing away.
>Humans defeat Sauron's armies.
>A halfling casts the ring into the fire.
Wooow why are humans important? Why aren't the other races mentioned as much?

>>382924027
Then don't bother describing the other races as way superior on paper if it's not reflected. Don't tell me about how elves live forever and are super strong then give them a lower str stat than a human.

>>382923929
I think most of you are just parroting /v/ if you want my honest opinion. When CRPGs were popular there was more balanced shitflinging about races which is more entertaining than watching a bunch of dudes circljerk over who can sound more like garithos.

>>382924026
See that's fine, I liked the lore in FF11 but most of the time they just win with "human spirit" so basically power of friendship bullshit.

>>382922794
get the fuck out

>>382921051
I must know the source of this heretical creature so I may destroy it.

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>>382923486
>>382924236
Maybe because the guy who wrote these is a human shill

Fag shit
If you want to be an undead hunter that can heal, pick a cleric, they're pretty based.
If you want to be a heavily armored guy who smashes niggas, pick a fighter, they're decent.

>>382924345
Good point, I'll go to reddit which people dislike for being a circlejerk because I didn't circlejerk hard enough. Moron.

Humans are always terrible in fantasy. Muh underdogs, muh jack of all trades master of none, muh spirit of humanity. I mean it can't be helped since we write the stories but it gets fucking old.

>>382924403

Pretty sure that's an asura from Guild Wars 2.

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>>382924469
What if I want to be an heavily armored undead hunter who can heal and also smash niggas?

>>382924586
>t. tree fucking elf

>>382924713
Then that's a cleric
It's literally a fucking cleric
Has nobody played D&D in here

>>382924586
I've always entertained the idea of a setting where humans are literally the favored creations of an evil race that is bent on dominating the world, without the cliche of humans suddenly adopting morals and breaking from their masters, and instead joining with them to conquer everyone.

>>382924928
d&d is a shit system no matter the edition
t. /tg/

Cancer that ruined Ragnarok Online.

>>382925168
d&d will always define classes to me. If you say paladin you're saying dnd paladin. If you want a different paladin say WoW paladin or FF paladin.

>>382924586
But I love reading all those humanity fuck yeah posts

>>382924636
of course it turned out to be disgusting gay shit

goddamnit

>>382925179
No rebirth in general ruined Ragnarok. Playing LK was awful.

>>382925367
2-2 classes were way before rebirth. Alchemist also cancer.

>>382924586
SaGa games do humans almost always right, especially in a context of multiple playable races, on both the lore and practical gameplay, the only exceptions are the games where the cast is 100% human but so far there's only one game in the series like that.
I especially like how in Frontier the effectively most powerful race is mechs hands down, the game doesn't even try to hide it, the only thing humans have over other races is that they are capable of evolving unlike Yoma and Monsters but still can't benefit from innate talents nor a mech's raw power, any race that isn't a monster or a Yoma who happen to be 100% geared against mechs gets bent.

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What happened, Palabros!?

I thought people liked us, Paladins ????

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>>382919182
Paladins = Astartes wannabes.

>>382925753
Paladins are cool when they aren't assholes.

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>>382921216
Nothing wrong with keeping things simple my nigga.

>>382919182
Paladin are cock hungry fuccbois just like priests

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>>382919182
>tfw 5e now makes paladins be restricted to Oath, not to LG shit
>tfw Oath of Vengeance

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>>382925786
>>382925753
fags

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>>382921789
Plate got tough enough IRL to no longer require a shield, and you were practically invulnerable to everything available at the time, except someone wrestling you into the ground and stabbing the seams. But considering you're a healthy, armored noble and your enemy is an inbred, manlet peasant, it rarely happened.

>>382926279
They could shoot your horse, though. And the fall was likely to break a leg and leave you easy pickings for peasants.

>>382919182
LAWFUL GOOD

I'd rather play a cleric or a priest. Holy magic and a mace/small hammer with medium armor is way more interesting to me than overdesigned white platemail with two-handed swords, and everything mashed into one. If you're playing a religious character I like relying mainly on miracles and using your belief/willpower to absorb hits. A true man of God wouldn't live a life of excess.

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>>382926406
Sure enough, true. Which is why cavalry charges fell steeply out of favor and gave way to sieges and archer dominance. You could say that nobles REALLY became invincible then, since they'd mostly just stay all the way at the back and issue orders from the safety of their tents.

>>382921216
This. Smiting shit in the name of God is cool and all, but sometimes you just wanna be a normal dude who's good at fighting.
And then you'll constantly be upstaged by the fucking paladin, but at least you have morals.

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>>382926475
Considering Paladins are members of a noble court, that'd make them way more holy by default of their holy birth and blood and your filthy peasant freeloader ass.

What should the extent of a Paladin's abilities be? Healing and buffing? Blowing shit up with holy light? Sword beams?

>>382926581
Halberd and padded chainmail is the way to go. Two-handed swords are very specialised in comparison. Polearms were the primary weapon of the vast majority of any army.

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>>382926581
Nobles a bunch a pussy ass bitches

>>382919182
Everyone who played them in the few MMOs I played were fags

I make paladins all the time for any single player RPG though.

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>>382926475
>>382926786
>2017
>not being an epic-level paladin riding a griffin and ruling arthurian france

>>382926207
>tfw I got too into roleplaying a moment and actually spouted off the line "MY OATH IS TO AVENGE NOT TO PROTECT" and the entire table busts out laughing
>tfw DM gave me mad inspiration for it

>>382921928
Lawful is following all laws.
Neutral is following specific laws.
Chaotic is following your own laws

A Lawful Good Paladin follows the state and his people before his god, while a Neutral Good Paladin follows his god before his state. Minor differences, but VERY important ones.

>>382926786
That means nothing. I'm talking a true warrior sent by God, not your poser corrupt court bullshit. A man with God on his side already has the strongest weapon by default.

>>382927085
But you're wrong

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>>382926279
>But considering you're a healthy, armored noble and your enemy is an inbred, manlet peasant, it rarely happened.
>Nobles less inbred than peasants
>Implying nobles didn't get routinely killed by literal whos during wars
>This is what knightfags truly believe

I hope you're just the umpteenth moron or american who never actually studied medieval history.

>>382924928
Then why the fuck would ever play fighter since that was the either or choice given?

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>>382926824
Dynamic entries and global dominance. The kind that makes you look like Superman.

Most important ability of a Paladin would be to re-deploy via a global jump ability, and it looks like an angel descending from the heaving and smiting fierce death in the middle of an enemy formation, disrupting them and giving the rest of your troops the chance to strike back.

>>382919182
barley better than monks aka "that kid"

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What's a Paladin?

>>382919182
Pretty rad class.
>>382919254
This anon is indeed not a faggot. Liche is top tier too

>>382927164
What I've stated is the most pragmatic and reasonable conclusion from the flawed DnD alignment system regarding Paladins.

Though if you disagree, what do you think the difference between a Neutral Good and a Lawful Good Paladin is?

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>here's your mount

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Remember, only females can be good knights and paladins.

>>382927129
Paladins were chosen by God from the moment of birth. Your peasant ass was chosen to lick my boots.

If that didn't mean anything, then how come I need only ask for benediction with my mere aura and presence, while you need to pray like an ass for hours on end to make a flicker of a light?

>>382926279
>what is a crossbow,

>think paladins and knights are the coolest shit
>always play ninja anyway

what the fuck is wrong with me. armor is way cooler.

>>382927813
In games, at least in rpgs knights and paladins tend to be the most boring and passive classes to play.

>>382927813
Familiarity.

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>>382927643
Come at me, my son. I'll fuck you up.

>>382927194
>Nobles less inbred than peasants.
>He doesn't know the cities were a focus of death, disease, and terrible eating conditions that left you with shitty bones and constant diarrhea.

>Implying nobles didn't get routinely killed by literal who's.
>Only because someone bothered to record the nobles and not the million peasants murdered by the bulk.

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>>382927951
>>382927961
>my first class was an agility 2 handed knight
>somehow started playing ninja more and more

an awful existence i live.

>>382928328
>barely any games let you play agile two handers properly
Suffering.

>>382927974
>>He doesn't know the cities were a focus of death, disease, and terrible eating conditions that left you with shitty bones and constant diarrhea.
What does that have to do with inbreeding again? And are you seriously implying nobles were much better off than commoners? Especially considering inbreeding?
>>Only because someone bothered to record the nobles and not the million peasants murdered by the bulk.
Again, what does that have to do with the fact that nobles only died to other nobles during duels? During wars nobles sistematically died to commoners simply due to the fact that for every nobleman in an army there were 1000 commoners, noblemen weren't the supermen you think they were, in the vast majority of cases they were average soldiers, especially compared to mercenaries or lesser men like weapon masters, noblemen were just there for morale and prestige most of the times, there were very few nobles who were actual warriors, most of the brunt in the wars of the time was done my mercenaries and professional soldiers, and that's without considering certain revolts of peasants that lynched nobles on sights by ganking them with sheer numerical superiority with makeshift spears and farmers' tools.

Why do you think spears were the most feared weapons of the time and many renowned weapon masters refused to teach martial arts to anyone but a select few? Because peasants and commoners that knew how to fight would have been the biggest danger of the time.

>>382921478
I mean you have time mage in a few of the ff games for what that's worth

>>382928328
>two-handed sword
>agility

Two handed weapons aren't agile, except for perhaps a quarterstaff.

>>382919182
Lawful good=/=Lawful nice

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>>382929337
What's your point?

>>382929650
I'm talking IRL

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>playing as anything other than Lawful Good characters

>knight classes
>not barbarians
i bet you fags haven't even solved the riddle of steel

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>>382929886
>playing as anything other than Chaotic characters

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>>382929886
>playing as anything other than Neutral characters

>>382929886
Chaotic neutral skelly lord is the best way to play.

so...most people ITT doesn't really know that the Lawful aligment means you have a personal moral code rather than following or rejecting the laws of the king?

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>>382929886
>playing as anything but chaotic good

>>382929846
And we're talking fantasy

>>382930829
It means you believe in order. Rules, regulations, honor etc. Chaotic is just a hedonist "do what you enjoy/do what is fun".

>>382927359
That's why D&D was a bad system

>>382927359
Because fighter would probably still smash a cleric in 1v1 and paladins are usually just bad.

giraffe neck, no pants

>>382931181
but chaotic good characters also go off their way to help people in need? that's not hedonistic at all.
chaotic has more to do with not following the rules, not even your own.
and yes lawful means you believe in rules, order and honor, like having a personal moral code.

>>382919182
Preferred by beta males

>>382931834
I guess hedonist is true chaos. Even true chaos won't deliberately fuck themselves over. It's all for power and the enjoyment of watching people get fucked up. They're unpredictable but they won't ignore their own interests. I guess lawful chaos is doing crazy shit in order to get a good outcome. A village is in danger from a beast, so you use a villager as bait and save the majority while one dies. An evil guy in a castle needs to die, but he's enslaved a ton of innocent townsfolk and brainwashed them. Chaotic good would cut through them like butter to get to the leader, whereas lawful would try to make sure they don't come to harm.

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I like 'em.

>>382919182
>you will never be a paladin irl, smacking down degenerates and bringing faith and decency to the people

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>tfw no game where I can play a Scorpion Paladin who always does what's right even if it's at the cost of its own life or reputation

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Why are undead fags so damn obnoxious?

>>382932832
Because they think they're immortal and should never be able to lose.

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Paladin is the best class.
Human is the best race.
Neutral Good is the best alignment.
Befriend at LEAST 1 Lich to learn how they operate and because genre savviness tells us that the most unlikely allies are the truest ones.
Fuck all the monster girls and demons you can. The most absolute way to convert heathens and nonbelievers is and will forever be through dick.

>>382934018
Also fuck the lich

>>382934018
Human is the best class, I'll give you that. But a Lawful Good Cleric is the best way to play. Recruit a peaceful monk, a good druid and an honorable knight.

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>worshipping gods
>not asking them for favor and telling them to fuck off if they don't comply

>>382919182
Aren't paladins (or original ones) the equivalent of pussies? Or something ridiculous

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Female Paladins

>>382934018
>Befriend at LEAST 1 Lich to learn how they operate and because genre savviness tells us that the most unlikely allies are the truest ones.
>Fuck all the monster girls and demons you can. The most absolute way to convert heathens and nonbelievers is and will forever be through dick.
Sounds like heretic talk to me

>>382934752
The original paladins were Charlemagne's finest horsemen.

>>382934391
Humans are a race not a class.
I also don't think Undead and Demons should be races as much as it would be more akin to a religion. You can have undead elves and mermaids and you can have demonic dwarves and goblins. They are more a different type of race as opposed to their own.

>>382934805
She wasn't a paladin, she was a white knight.

>>382934946
Humans are the best class.
Maybe Grimoire is not for you.

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>>382934851
>converting your lessers is now heretical
You won't fool me with your double think, devil. Now bend over.

>>382935064
What do you mean Grimoire?
Also, again, human is a race, not a class.

>>382920641
But what if they have mixed sub-classes like with Dragon's Dogma?

>>382935280
My post was not a glitch, humans being a class is a micro-feature. Maybe Grimoire is not for you.

not enough games allow you to play as a dark paladin. A paladin is literally just a warrior with unshakeable faith in their deity of choice. I should be allowed to gain my powers from evil or even chaotic Gods.

Standard healing spell, Judgement upon thee types are fucking boring. If there is no Dark Paladin choice, I'll take standard warrior or fighter and build a blood boiling berserk build.

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Why be a Paladin when I can be a Barbarian Red Dragon Disciple.

>>382935571
Which Grimoire? There are many grimoires out there.
Also, I don't know which one you are referring to, but if it says humans are a class and not a race, it's not a very good one. Maybe posting on /v/ is not for you.

>>382935624
>why be cool when I can be lame
A question the world will ever want for answers on, Anon.

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>>382935043
Generic Knights can't be White Knights in TO

>>382935745
>>382902869

>>382923923
Wish someone answered you. I want to know 2

Class for fags who can't decide between being a warrior or healer

>>382935879
Right, there were 3 White Knights in it I believe and the only Paladin in the game was Lans, I believe.

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I dont understand people who play Wizard. Rogue and Warrior I can completely get as an adventuerer but Mages? It just makes no sense. As a wizard your whole shtick is being couped up in a wizard towering conducting abominations against mankind. Why would you wander around helping people? It just so immersion breaking

>>382935160
>commiting impure acts of lust with monsters
Back to whatever new age daggot Temple you come from, kid

>>382936431
Killing to increase your power? Gather components? Get rare artefacts and relics to use in your experiments? Kill rare creatures or capture them for experimenting? Killing off rival spell-casters like evil warlocks and liches? Exchanging knowledge with other wizards as you travel?

>>382927538
A NG pally would be willing to break neutral or even good laws if it resulted in more net good. They're willing to look more at individuals than at society than a LG dude but also willing to weigh the effects it would have on a society unlike a CG dude. A LG pally would always try to find some way within the realm of legality to solve things unless said realm is corrupted irrecovably in which case he'll remake it then go through his problems the legal way. A NG will take it into account but won't always choose that path. CG won't even factor it into consideration as for the best plan to help people.

>>382936431
I agree. I love the idea of druids and sages, but it's hard to imagine one tagging along for an adventure or caring about anything other than saving the forest/local animal life.

>>382936487
>implying my acts of lust are impure
We hold hands at every point Gramps, just because you misunderstood the Word and forced yourself to be celibate doesn't mean the rest of us are going down that road.

>>382936431
It'd be like training as a fighter/warrior all your life, but not bothering to do any fieldwork, or put any of your training in practice. Or bothering to go and learn techniques used by warriors of other cultures.

>>382936675
I mean yeah thats all cool but its not what you do in video games. You are literally an adventuerer going around helping people for gold. Its not to gain power or experiments or anything. At no point will your character every make such a comment.

>>382937150
They're called role-playing games, anon. In party-based RPGs non-NPC members are usually quiet for this specific reason. You're meant to provide your characters with their own backstories and motivations.

>>382937254
Roleplaying doesn't mean making up an imaginary back story for your character. If the game doesn't facilitate what you are roleplaying as in game- its just playing pretend.

>>382919182
>bump limit almost reached
>nobody named Akagi or the Akagiposters
/v/.../v/ has changed.

>>382937150
You kill stuff to get stronger in video games. You kill enemies for components to make items or spells in video games. You kill warlocks and liches in video games. You collect rare items, artefacts and loot in video games. You gain knowledge as you communicate with NPCs in video games. You can trap, capture or charm enemies onto your team in video games.
What in the flying FUCK are you talking about?

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So what games even let me create a female Paladin?

>>382937027
ok kid

>>382919182
I'm still waiting for DMC-like game that will let me be a motherfucking paladin.

>>382937482
Probably any game that lets you be a paladin and has a character creator

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>>382937421
>Play divinity original sin
>You are a source hunter trying to take out evil wizard
>Play Dragon Age: Origins
>You are a grey warden killing the dragon
>Play Neverwinter Nights 2
>You are a farm boy out to kill the lich king.
>play Tyranny
>You are are a judge

At no point in any of these games did I have a dialogue option for "yeah I secretly have a magical tower and I'm only doing all this studd for components and power" might work with pen and paper but wizards just dont make sense in video games.

>>382937682
Dante's Inferno

>>382937347
Have you ever played a real RPG? D&D? The game itself is like an RPG's campaign, but before you play you make your character sheets and give them a personality. It's probably the single most important thing about an RPG. Your character isn't just a collection of stats, they have likes/dislikes and a backstory.

>>382919182
Because of how far the Paladin has gone across all games, I kinda treat it as anything in the category of a warrior that uses light based attacks. Shields, hammers, greatswords and staves are all fair game
That said I play them in every game available so long as they arent zealots

>>382937705
So nothing?

>>382934879
I could swear they were seen as something worse than templars but actually being worse than them, even priests would be considered stronger than them.
Fuck me I must have jumped timelines again.

>>382927085
>he doesn't know how alignments work

>>382936431
you are a wizzard what is the point of learning all those fuck you combat spells if your never gonna use them.

>>382936010
The paladins in Ogre battle were pretty baller and better than their evil equivalent

>>382929846
Two hands = better leverage = more speed and control. Greatswords made excellent defensive weapons because the combination of reach and speed let you keep multiple men at bay. It's why it was the default weapon of bodyguards and remained a ceremonial weapon long after it became obsolete on the battlefield.

>>382923874
>pathetic lawfags

What? Lawfags ARE the ones trying to kill anything that is not human though.

>>382932640
Until an actual paladin comes along and cleaves your head off for being arbitrary and cruel.

>>382939217
Are you referring to OB64? That's my GOAT. Paladins are stupid good in that game just for the 3x attack and the fact they can use shields. By dark counterpart I assume you mean Black Knights? Inheretly the fact they only have 2x attacks in front row means they have less utility, but their stat-growth is insane compared to Paladins, and 2-handed hammers/axes hit way harder and crit much more often. The main problem is that you only can usually have 3 per game (sometimes 4-5 if you get really lucky with L&P or in a Low CF run and getting Carth), so your army can have tonnes of Paladins who can tank better against their DPS. Of course if you have good CF near the end or just don't care, putting 3 Black Knights in a unit lead by a Princess is nearly fucking unstoppable by anything the game can throw at you.

>>382939664
>being this pozzed

Paladins don't suffer evil degenerates to live, anon.

>>382923874
Suck my celestial cock, evilfag. Keep worshipping yourself and no one else, see where that gets you in the afterlife

>>382936431
I don't know about helping people but maybe they just got bored and wanted to show off their wizardry

>>382939494
Having two hands on a single weapon affects your center of gravity. The benefit of a single-handed weapon is your other hand can be used almost solely for balance. It means you can be much more nimble, not to mention the added weight of a two-handed greatsword. Large weapons like that require you to commit to each swing to the point where a whiff opens you up to a killing blow. They were used in formation to take down pike formations since they had both range and enough weight to displace polearms, but they're not generally a good choice for 1v1 or 1vs small group.

>>382935624
Paladin is worthless in 3e, but not quite as worthless as a barbarian with gimped BAB.

>>382936431
You start off knowing three spells and owning enough money to eat for a year. Not quite enough to raise a fortified tower full of ritual components and servants to do your bidding.

>>382939904
Again, this is just a matter of playing pretend, its never something that actually comes up in game.
>>382940181
Most settings dont have character level actually mean anything in context of lore

>>382936431
You can roleplay a young sorcerer just starting out, who undertakes a quest for his own ends; to earn enough money and recognition to buy his own spooky tower and grounds so he can research immortality and powerful spells in peace.

>>382929261
Time Mage in FF doesn't really do anything though. It's usually just a buff/debuff specialist with some Gravity attacks.

If they did have some actual time fuckery like slowing, stopping, or rewinding time, that would be dope.

>>382939850
No, they redeem them to save their souls from lower planes then kill them to prevent evil from taking root again.

The issue is that you probably qualify as evil.

>>382940441
In FFV they literally have all those powers though
>slow
>stop
>reset

>>382940334
That's how RPGs were originally, though. That's changed since, but the whole point of them was to ignite imagination and not explicitly push you down too narrow a path. The modern take on RPGs focuses too much on giving you a pre-defined story with specific linear events, but older games like Wizardry were essentially the combat system and the dungeons, and you "role-played" your party and their interactions. You didn't need voice acting or specific lines given to you in order to have motivation. You drew your own maps because you're role-playing the characters and they have to draw them themselves.

>>382940109
I get the feeling you think two-handed weapons weighed far more than they actually did, and that one-handed weapons were far lighter than they were.

And the chopping at polearms thing is anecdotal as far as I know, while the defensive use against multiple opponents was actually documented. I remember reading somewhere about a bunch of soldiers with greatswords defending a bridge on their own until reinforcements arrived.

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Hello Class

Today we're going to discuss why Necromancy isn't an innately evil school of magic and why the fears of uneducated peasants should be stamped out and necromancy de-criminalized.

>>382941334
Well let's hear it then. Do you just make corpses move on their own?

>>382941334
Find a way to do it without flooding the world with negative energy and then we'll talk.

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>>382941334
Necromancy borders with necrophilia, and that's already a debatable kind of interest to have.
Not evil, but disgusting and immoral, that's for fucking sure. Nobody wants to have their dead grandparents used by some weird pale dude with a beard as cannon fodder.

>>382941226
Look up Doppelsöldner.
I know medieval weapons. A shortsword or longsword has the majority of the weight centered close to the hilt, meaning swings are much more controlled and feel lighter than they are. Longswords and maces weighed the same, but due to the center of gravity maces felt clumsier and harder to recover with. Greatswords generally have their center of gravity 1/3 along the blade, meaning it's not as fast to recover with and is a more risk-reward weapon (hence Doppelsöldner being payed double for undertaking the extra risk and being covered by many pikemen).

>>382940601
Reset is actually a good example since it affects everything, that's true. I forgot about that since I was thinking mainly of the FFXII Time Mage which has basically nothing like that. Spells like stop and slow are the kind of debuffs I was talking about though. I feel like a mage with the power to warp time should be able to do more than slow or stop a single target (or group of targets). Those are good abilities for a Time Mage to start with, but I think it'd be cool if at later levels they got the power to "stop" the whole battlefield other than themselves, or rewind the enemy's last action, and shit like that.

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>>382919182

>mfw this shithole is so retarded they don't understand what a Paladin is and only ever think it's a human in full armor wielding yellow energy

So thankful most of you retards don't frequent the best board.

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>>382941334
Remember. All Liches are necromancers, but not all necromancers are liches.

>>382940521
>they redeem them to save their souls

Ok so far, it's a bit far-fetched but-

>then kill them

No, you idiot. Paladins who kill goodly folk fall in a heartbeat. If the heavenly powers absolved the sinner, that's that.

>>382941840
go play pretend somewhere else

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>>382941542
>>382941583
Why the simple answer sit is the fair trade of parts coupled with arcane contracts with spirits of the dearly departed. That orc berserker will long for nothing more than war. Why not shove his soul into a corpse and let him have at it?

>>382941612
Nothing immoral about fucking sexy zombie ladies anon!

>>382942029
Pretty much this.

You can avoid negative energy simply from not invoking inferal spirits and not nonconsensually binding spirits. Simple as that

>>382941840
I've never seen them as a particularly complex profession. They are warriors who have divine power granted by their deity, and their goal is to do as much good as possible while following the rules of their specific faith

>>382942291
How it this board any different than /tg/ or /toy/ ? We're all playing Anon.

>>382942418
depends where.

Pathfinder shows that paladins of Erastil are more about protecting their community than "doing good", for example.

>>382942503
i was just trying to see if i could make you super mad anon. I actually love role playing. I'm happy you didn't take the bait.

>>382942418
Sadly most settings have paladins drawing power not directly from their god but simply by having faith in that god. Which makes absolutely no fucking sense.

>>382923543
It's not that humans are adaptive you just breed faster than fucking kobolds. First it's just a couple of humans on the outskirts of the forest and the woman are all "they're harmless leave them be, the land can support this small burden". Then a couple decades later half the forest is gone, the humans number in the triple digits and all our sons have conspicuously shorter ears.

You're species is fucking cancer.

Ruined by players and often underpowered to play as. Almost always, the righteous holy warrior with a big hammer is more of a huge nuisance instead of an intimidating force. I have never played a game where they are both balanced properly and fill their conceptual role.

>>382919936
>They seem like they would be super anti-fun.
That´s because your interpretation of paladin is narrow and wrong.

A paladin in roleplaying is a martial (more than arcane) devout of a god, and has recieved divine abilities.
They are bound by divine laws, but what those are is not determined, and the time in which paladins were only lawful good characters is gone for more than a decade now. Also, divine law and secular law are not the same, so a paladin will not care about breaking wordly rules as long as his deity gives zero fucks about it, except when they collide with his own morals as well.

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>>382943234
>your species
>our sons
What was that anon?

>>382939765
I was talking about march of the black queen but very similar 3 attacks and the black knights get more stat growth and HP.

Also normal knights in march of the black queen can become paladins so you end up with a bunch.

Did you ever play it? They are pretty similar I think no holy lich though.

I remember playing through OB64 once at a friends house over a weekend in like 8th grade. Fuck that game was good.

>>382944330
I have played MOTBQ. I used to own the PSX special edition but I don't know what happened to it. They're very similar. In OB64 there are an unlimited number of Paladins. Essentially it goes Soldier (male)> Fighter > Knight > Paladin. All dependent on Ali of course.

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>>382940182

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>>382919182
Great concept, shit realisation in most vidya.

I mean there are more good necromancer games that there are good paladin games for fuck's sake!

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>>382923923
>So /v/, what are some games that have the concept of classes done right?
Guild Wars 1. 1 not 2.

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>>382944810
En Garde

>>382921950

that's what a shitty paladin would do.

a good one would get in the face of jeward mcjewerson and say his price gouging is getting in the way of JUSTICE being done since he's hindering their quest and threaten to smite his ass once more important things have been smited.

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>>382941334
Tomorrow's class will explain why the God of Death is also the God of Justice and why he is the only god worth a prayer in the entire pantheon.

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>>382919182
Paladins suck dick.
Hoy where are my edgelords at?

>>382945929
Is it wrong that I like dressing like an edgelord and slaughtering things like dumb animals but do it to help people?

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>>382936431
>>382936431
>>382936675
>>382937123
>>382939115
>>382939904
>>382940181
>>382940434


>I dont understand people who play Wizard.

Pick your poison:

>You're an academic in search of ancient tombs/forgotten magic/the trinket that will save the world/the sacred tome of Aquila/ etc.
>You're a wizard student in field work, and you're about to finish your thesis on magical beasts and how to tame them, and the best way to do that is to tag along an adventuring party.
>You're a Gandalf figure who's walking all over the place in an inscrutable quest to arrange the pieces, start the series of events and people that will soon fall in place, and spell doom to the Warlock of Evil.
>You're a Battle-mage, and much like any other mercenary, you use your magic as a weapon. Which is downright vital to counter enemy wizards and bombard the shit out of goblin hordes.. You're an asset to your company, even if they don't really trust you.

Pic related. Your Cleric just blocked a Meteor that would've wiped out your party.

>>382936431

pic related.

magic is just a tool like any other. some people solve problems with a fist to the face, others through talking, and others through magic.

also in a lot of cases magic needs to be studied or has some form of secrecy to it, so aspiring wizards need to seek out knowledge and information to get more powerful, which is pretty good incentive to go out on an adventure.

>>382945151
armor would have been the shit if each helm was themed to the various countries that occupied different parts of the US

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>>382946479

im dumb

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>>382946119
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, you are just misunderstood.

>>382945929
Getting devil horns is pretty much Fable's whole selling point

>>382919182

Always an overpowered solo class for assholes

>>382945821
But, professor I don't like death or justice all that much. I like titties and wine.

>>382936431
>Why would you wander around helping people?
Because I want to, faggot.
What's the point in having unfathomable cosmic powers when there's no one to use them on/for?
Luckily not all mankind is silly pallies, and it's better to have your kind around rather than filthy non-humans.

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>>382946856
This. No one understands our pain.

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Which one's the most popular classes in RPG fiction, do you think? Which are the classes that make you go WOW at the sight of them, and wished there was a game that did them justice?

Paladins are fun when they're over the top zealots or judge dredd-like. Oath of Vengeance in 5e is fun.

>>382946189
Why are you replying to me with this shit? I suggested an idea for roleplaying.

>>382948185
What's the name of that survey tool that gets thrown around here, all the time?

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ORC ×3 appear!
What will you do?
>Fight
>Other

>>382948447
google statistics?

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>>382948163
We have friends sometimes.

>>382948509
So did I just happen upon this situation or are they attacking me?

>>382945821
>Needing a god to execute necromancy

Oh fuck off you bible thumper

>>382948185
>which are the classes that make you go WOW at the sight of them

for me, necromancer/Elder Lich. I want a game where you're able to make skeletons out of anything, where you're able to decide how grotesque to make your creations, where you have to go out grave robbing and stealing corpses to get your massive army. In a way it could be a great mount and blade mod.

They're cool, but you can't fuck no hoes

>>382919182
Great bros to have in an RPG (Kormac and Butters) but I prefer other classes to play

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>>382948185
I've been waiting for a good werewolf game for a while now. The closest things I have are Baldur's gate 2, Diablo 2 and modded Skyrim

>>382948509
well if the doujin in question is anything to go by, then i'm lucky i'm somewhat fat and ugly

>>382948509
KILL THE ORCS! SLAY THE ORCS! DESTROY THE ORCS!

>>382926207
>Oath of Vengeance against orcs
>Poison an entire village and kill everybody there simply to kill a single orc.
Not being trapped to lawful good is fantastic

>>382927516
I love you. Late to the party, but I literally came to this thread expecting this post. Too bad all the newfags from Reddit don't recognize this old gem.

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>>382948805
They are orcs they are vwry aggresive.

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>>382949586
I send out the party's orc to attempt diplomacy

>>382920641
If a game ONLY has those classes then they better be expansive with many sub specializations and complex tuning options

Or fuckin something like that

DA:O handled it well enough at least

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Better than WAR and DRK right now, Requiescat and Holy Spirit is great.

>>382921789
Well it depends

Plate armor became literally a suit made of shield at some point

Also some vikings have killed 20+ men in combat with just light armor and a two handed bearded axe or equivalent

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>>382948509
I wanna buy that middle ones sword

>No adventure game where if your [Generic Trading Score] is high enough you can trade with anyone for whatever they got on them
>No convincing the king mid receiving Legendary quest that you could totally get him a sick deal on a better crown
>No trading with an Orc mid battle for their kick ass scimitar while your companions continue fighting each other
>No Convincing the Villains Lieutenants that being under your employ offers way better health care and seasonal bonuses

I wanna roll in the gold, damn it.

>>382949586
Indeed.

On my cock.

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>>382919182
Awesome so long as you don't fall into the trap of playing them as anything other then Judge Dredd.

>>382950163
Judge Dread is definitely not Lawful Good. He is the textbook definition of Lawful Neutral. He doesn't care about being good or bad by the general population. His morality is completely dependent on whether or not something adheres to the Cities law.

>>382945151
>good necromancer games
I'm waiting anon

Paladins are just too old fashioned for the nu audiences of today. They like epic quirky wizards and "misunderstood" necromancers. It's a sad time.

>>382950075
>face the final boss of the game, demigod mcevilman
>barter his Chaos Sword of Nastiness +10 from him
>kill the defenseless goon with his own weapon

>>382950459
I just want a game that does skellies well desu

>>382949828
faggot

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Rarely used right but when they are legitimate forces of evil smiting badasses, I play them.

Any games that allow you to play paladins?

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>>382948185
Blue Mages
Psykers/mentalists
Illusionists
Time Mages
Summoners

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>>382950538
>Boss now starts spamming his OP bullshit magic attacks.
>By getting his sword you now activated the boss' hard mode.

>>382950668
Icewind dale

>>382948185
I want an RPG where you can choose to play as a skelly lord. He's quite frail and not overly strong on his own so early on many people will choose other classes/races, but he can revive for next to nothing and can turn any undead enemies to your cause (maybe implement it as a damage buff or w/e per enemy recruited). Eventually that one party member is a full skelly party ran by your rave king.

>>382948185
Dragoons with dragon powers.

>>382950538
>final bosses weapon costs 100,000,000gp
>you must hyperjew your way through the entire game to the nth degree to get this much gold
>if you succeed he surrenders after sending the gold away

>you vanquish the evilman
>his 100 million gold funds go to his son
>he builds a fuckhuge robot golem ninja army
>MOTHER FUCKING SEQUEL HOOK

>>382951601
Yeah. It sucks.

>>382921478
Xelors from wakfu like to mess with time. They're pretty cool i guess.

>>382951601
That sounds pretty shit.

>>382919182
faggits, every one of them.

>>382927085
>follows the state
no

Lawful follows a strict personal code. If you do not steal, then you will -not- steal. Lawful people have specific convictions that do not waver.

Chaotic follows whatever they feel like at the time. They may well do anything if it is a means to an end.

>>382942120
No, you mewling new-age pussyfooter. When a paladin comes knocking it's long late for any sort of forgiveness. The paladin will help you recant your sins so as to prevent your soul from strengthening a greater evil in the hands of demons and devils, but you've still got to pay for the evil your wrought. There is no 'oooh, I'm responsible for the deaths of thousands and untold wreck and ruin, but now I'm sowwy and you can't kill me'. If your shit warrants a paladin coming after you with a drawn sword, you are going to die.

>>382922592
Doesn't anyone consider what it would actually be like to be one of these edgelord classes?

You're literally fueled by your own SUFFERING. You would be powerful yet infinitely miserable at the same time.

>this thread

brb playing bretonnia in TWW

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>>382919254
Haha I agree with you, bro. Say, where is the next lich meeting where we do lich stuff with each other CLACK CLACK?

>>382923874
I wish Paladins were more like Papal Inquisition types rather than lawful stupid goody two shoes.

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>>382919936
Nothing gets the adrenaline pumping like some hefty heapings of FAITH and WORKS.

>>382952836
That is how most people play Paladins. The goody two shoes lawful stupid shit is a five year old meme.

Chronomancy makes for the best hentai so Chronomancer is easily the best class.

>>382952836
Paladins 'falling' whenever they accidentally step on a flower are a /tg/ meme.

>>382923696
If Garithos had his way all orcs, elves and undead would be purged from Azeroth, who wouldn't want that?

>>382922379
>>Praying to some dinky god who probably doesn't even exist
Say that to my facefucker on holy grounds and not online and see what happens. Oh wait, you fucking won't because """reasons"""

Whats the difference between a Paladin, Crusader, Holy Knight, Templar and Cleric?

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>>382919254
you, sir, are a man of class and taste
and you are indeed my nigga

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>>382953330
Your holy ground doesn't exist but I'm going to defile it anyway

>>382953424
Screw you. Lich SUCKS.

>>382953365
>Paladin
A champion of a god. Given powers by his deity. Has a specific mission that he is supposed to fulfill for his god.

>Crusader
A warrior for a faith. Not necessarily backed by any divinity at all, but believes so in any case.

>Holy Knight
Synonymous with paladin

>Templar
Synonymous with crusader

>Cleric
Power gaming piece of shit

>>382953302
He was too good for this world.

>>382953516
Sorry, I can't hear you from behind my 7000 skeletons

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Paladins make the best monsters/demons