Games that get far more hate than they deserve Final Fantasy

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FFXIII honestly doesn't get enough hate.

>>382917479
What the fuck?
Linear corridor simulator with the worst writing in any FF game, awful mechanical progression and autobattle.

it's alright. one of the very few decent jrpgs really.

>>382917479
I actually didn't hate most of the cast. Some of them were kinda annoying at first, but everyone had their arc and ended up somewhere different at the end. Except Lightning. Which is fine because she's perfect, anyway.

they found a way to turn level progression into a hallway

>>382917479
Fallout 4. Yes, we were lied to and given a super watered down action-adventure game when we expected an RPG. But it's a pretty good action-adventure game.

>>382917749
>I didn't play the game and parrot opinions on /v/

>>382917569
>FFXIII honestly doesn't get enough hate.

the sequels got away with little hate when they were shit, only because fans are obsessed with hating mainline games they don't like.

XIII could have been good but the story was shart. With a game that's as linear as 13 it's important to have a good story because it doesn't have much else.

>>382918713

Indeed, it honestly has the most poorly told stories in any videogame.

>>382918713
>XIII could have been good but the story was shart.

define good. the story was really interesting.

Maybe it could have been a good game, if they let the narrator explain shit instead of making you read a codex after every cutscene.

>>382917749
Don't forget that XII exists.

>>382918838
Define interesting, because that isn't what XIII was.

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>>382918838
>the story was really interesting.

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Loved lightnings look desu

>>382917479
> was a damn solid game

Midway it was a borefest,and the story was absolute trash

the grafics are good but that`s it

>>382918984
>Define interesting

how about you start by saying something specific.

>>382917479
I agree. The battle system was really solid despite people whining about it. I agree it handheld for way too long, but the 13 postgame and even endgame is really good. 13 is one of the few FFs to try to kill you in random battles instead of just trying to chip a few mp off of your healer.

>>382918984
The lore was interesting but the plot spend way too much time on the shitty characters.

Hope is one of the most annoying characters I've ever seen in a rpg, along with Nozomi from SMTIVA

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>>382917479
13 was garbage, the story was very confusing and gameplay didn't """"""take of"""""" until 30 hours in the game but I went through with it, the side quests were horribles, I didn't even do them.
13-2 was fucking amazing, I 100%'d it.
I was heavily frustrated with LR when I found out that you had this time bullshit but I had fun playing it in the end.

I don't regret playing these games.

>>382920205
>the story was very confusing

They litterally spell out everything for you nd you can check the database if you don't remember the term.

I genuily think most people are retarded when it come to understanding story.

>>382920692
I didn't have problems understanding the story in any other game, I can't even remember what part of the map was on cocoon and what wasn't.

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>>382920205
>13-2 was fucking amazing
My nigga

>>382920849
Because most games have straightforward story.

13 story wasn't that good but it wasn't confusing. The only weird moments are at the beggining.

YOu're on cocoon until you get to pulse. Then you go back to it for the ending.

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>>382921054

>>382920205
>13-2 was fucking amazing, I 100%'d it

it was objectively shit.

retconning story that made no sense / XIII was convoluted but it was a complete story.
instead of long corridors... you get fragmented small corridors with endless load screens.
dumbed down battlesytem of an already limited battlesystem.
even easier that the first game.

>>382918980
here's a (You)

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>>382917479
I liked it. But does it matter? The people have spoken and as always: fuck them.

13-2 was even better but nobody seems to have played that.

>>382921225
>13 story wasn't that good but it wasn't confusing

yes it was. it legit took me two walkthroughs to understand it. just saying "not good" means nothing especially when talking about FF. some people don't like XII and prefer the more anime story setting of VII.

>>382921728
I did, I think I preffered 13 honestly. Wasn't a big serah fan and I didn't love the pokemon system for the third character.

It was still a solid game though and I'm a sucker for dimension/timetravel stuff.

>>382921571
>it was objectively shit.
>objectively
Stopped reading

>>382920692
Look gamers just aren't very bright honestly and have the attention span of a goldfish. I generalize but it mostly fits.

The music was good.

>>382921953
>objectively
>Stopped reading

yes.

the fact that the game is AS linear as the first one is objective.
the fact that the battlesystem is dumb down is objective.
the fact that the story is nonsense about the timeline is objective.

>>382922458
FF13 had one of the better battlesystems in the series.

>>382917479
Unironically the 13 games are among my favorite but i cant say that or anons will start yelling opinions they parroted off of /v/ at me

>>382917479
I don't even care about the characters or how linear it is. But the battle system is so fucking boring and easy. It deserves all the hate it gets for it alone.

>>382920692
For me the only shit about this game was the ending and the side quests.

The ending (without 13-2/3) don't make any sense, why the fuck do they still fight the endboss?
>Evil Boss planned everything out
>lightning and gang knows the whole plan
>still decides to do exactly what the evil guy wants with the reason, we will find a way it's our fate
>still win thanks to magic of friendship

Hiding the lore in the datalogs was also shit, I never looked there because I thought there is just 'tutorials, what happened so far and monsters you fought'. They should have added a village in grand pulse do the sidequests to learn from the npc's.

Also fuck the ' battles don't give any money'

>>382922525
i know im talking about XIII-2

>>382922676
You must hate all Final Fantasy games.

The best thing to come out of FF13 was Sazh, and he's criminally under utilized. I need more of him.

>>382922525
>Enemy has AoE attacks
>Only way to have everyone not get hit is to time when they spend 20 second running up to attack an enemy
>They run right back to the group when done
Always seemed so pointless to me, killed the battle system. Was there not a way to have them space themselves out?

>>382922768
Nope. Because the ones before 13 were better.

>>382922786
Dunno, I played chrono trigger as a kid so it didn't bother me. It's basically the same shit as that game.

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>XIII is terrible
>X is a classic and amazing!
Your own shit taste is punishment in itself.

>>382922914
X sucks too. what now strawman?

>>382922682
>The ending (without 13-2/3) don't make any sense

the "sequels" are technically spin offs, they retcon the first one.

>why the fuck do they still fight the endboss?
they are still l'cie. they cannot not fight him

>lightning and gang knows the whole plan
literally the concept of the game: the gang was never a gang, they all wanted something different.

>>382922873
Objectively wrong because XIII is the only FF game where buffs and debuffs are relevant for all fights instead of bosses being arbitrarily immune to them and them not being worth using on your typical encounter, sounds like you're a casual to be honest.

>>382922890
CT is a great game. But they also didn't spend time running back and forth, like in XIII. You do the move/tech and they're right back where they started, instantly.
I don't know why that makes it seem "OK" but it does for me.

CT also had your position matter for techs like X Cross IIRC, whereas I can't think of any part of positioning being used to your benefit in XIII.

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>People are still posting this bait.

>>382917479
>3 pale pink haired bitches with ashy skin
>1 tan beauty with an accent
Guess which one gets slighted in the fanart category.

>>382922976
>X sucks too
then you don't like this specific linear/character driven FF direction. it's cool, you just have bad taste.

>>382918825
>>382918838
In all fairness, the story isn't actually bad. It's just on a very small scale. Most Final Fantasy games are fate of the world scenarios, while XIII is about the cast wanting to protect Cocoon and their friends from the evil Fal Cie

>>382917479
Go to bed, toriyama

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>>382923150
You're not looking hard enough.

>>382922991
>Objectively wrong
>Opinions

>>382922458
(You)

>>382923173
Stories are nice but I'd rather they be fun to play too. or even have good stories, unlike x and xiii.

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>>382923340
X has the best story in the franchise to be honest.

>>382923232
find one for me without one of the ashy pink haired girls in it.

>>382923094
Speedrunners do small manipulations like you mentioned with timing attacks to dodge shit. Or I believe aero spells group enemies up.

Also I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure only crits made you jump back to your spot in trigger.

>>382923192
>In all fairness, the story isn't actually bad. It's just on a very small scale.

no XIII is also about fate of the world.

>>382918608
So what's with the squeenix shills pushing the 'xiii isn't hot garbage' narrative? Is there a new version or something coming out?

>>382923427
Actually, I can sort of agree. At least saying writing. I like the characters pretty well. But the overall story was just meh to me.

>>382923427
Not even close in my opinion, but this shit is subjective.

>>382923445
>Moving the goalposts

>>382922981
Yeah I also see them like that.

>still l´cie
but this doesn´t change the whole stupid ending. They fight him, they loose, pulse girl becomes bahamuth (which looked much much much much much much cooler in the cutscene), everyone becomes cieth...suddenly they become human again and they fight, then their new fate becomes saving cocoon?

They took their fucking time at the beginning, introducing everyone and giving them so much character development but the whole last part felt so much rushed, blame HD development for that.

They should just made it, that loosing the fight is the ending and after that you do sidequests to look how to change the lcie thing, do sidequests learn about lore, fight yubileus or something like that to break the curse and then get the real ending.

Also
>literally the concept of the game: the gang was never a gang, they all wanted something different.

I know that, I was just to lazy to find a better wording. Also I love the characters, the only shit part is the english va of hope.

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I didn't like XIII for the obvious reasons, but I didn't think ALL the characters were shit. I actually liked Sazh and Snow. I'm probably one of the few people that actually liked Snow.

He was pretty determined to save everyone, and rescue Sarah. Sure he wanted to be a "hero," but that's not a bad thing. While everyone else were emotional wrecks all the time, and being annoying.
Even Sazh had his moment, but he eventually recovered. Then went back to being the funny joking guy.

>>382918630
I thought FFXIII-2 was pretty decent. It fixed most of the problems that XIII had. No more Lightning, a better story, more places to explore, and combat was a bit better too.

Now FFXIII-3 was complete shit, and I saw hate for that game everywhere.

You guys think square will ever get lucky with a game director like Kitase again? Dude made some of the most beloved FF games (and 8 which is still ok) and chrono trigger. Think Nomura can stack up?

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>>382923680
>attempt to disprove some randos opinion online about fucking fanart
>in the attempt, reinforce his opinion
>he gives you a chance at an earnest attempt
>strawman him

>>382923519
XIII-2 and 3 were fate of the world stories. XIII was centered around cocoon (which you could argue is their world). Fal Cie just want to sacrifice it to summon god

>>382923789
>They fight him, they loose, pulse girl becomes bahamuth

she become incomplete ragnarock. them becoming cieth is a mind trick.

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>>382924000
>You guys think square will ever get lucky with a game director like Kitase again?
Yes.

>>382917479
It's a 6/10 game. Imagine making a 6/10 game when everyone expects it to be at least 8/10 and most expect a 10/10. As far as expectations vs delivery goes, it's on par with Mighty Number 9.

>>382923934
>I thought FFXIII-2 was pretty decent.
>It fixed most of the problems that XIII had.

I really hate people like you.>>382922458
>>382921571

>>382923192

FFXIII is literally about gods trying to destroy a planet anon, it is not fucking small scale.

>>382924406
There's more to the world than Cocoon.

>>382924000
>You guys think square will ever get lucky with a game director like Kitase again?
>hey guys remember the 90s ?

there's always a dipshit like you in these threads.

>>382924406
and yet the whole world is small corridor hallways. That feels like small scale to me.

>>382924487
>There's more to the world than Cocoon.

no. it's just cocoon and pulse. and most people live on cocoon.

>>382924487

Not really, there's nothing of consequence besides Pulse and Cocoon.

And really they aren't even of consequence because they matter fuck all in the sequels.

>>382923492
Maybe it's crits for normal attacks, I think you're right there. Pretty sure all techs you jump back when you're done.

>>382923934
I liked snow as well. Final Fantasy hasn't had a ton of his archetype. Normally they have to have a breakdown and get all introspective instead of soldiering through.

>>382924494
Nice try kiddo, but FFX wasn't the 90s.

>>382924538
>and yet the whole world is small corridor hallways.
>FF X is also linear.
>I also hate FF X.

why are you people on these threads ?

>>382924690

Being an oblivious idiot who never really changes is "soldiering through"?

I always wonder if people who like this game's story and character's actually pay attention to the shit that happens on screen.

>>382924538
>complaining about the scale of the narrative
>gets rebutted
>switches back to muh hallway simulator meme
The only criticism anybody _ever_ makes of FFXIII that makes any sense is that it's too linear. The scale of the maps doesn't have anything to do with the story scale.

>>382924857
>Being an oblivious idiot who never really changes is "soldiering through"?
Wtf I hate Barrett now.

>>382924938

Don't you fucking even because that's not true at all.

>>382924717
I never brought up other games in the FF line, why do you feel the need to deflect criticism by attempting to say its okay because some other game failed in spectacular fashion as well?

Role playing games should be more open than what FF13 was. Period. They failed to create a world for you to care about, then made a story relying entirely on caring about what happens to that world. How do you not see a problem with that?

>>382921785
You're just retarded...

Everything important is stated outright or written in the database for you to remember.

>>382924857
Nah he has his moment of honest where he admits he doesn't always know what's best. If you've ever been in a leadership position you know about the sort of stress that comes with that and the pressure to always act like you know what you're doing. He's not oblivious he's trying to appear like he knows what's best.

>>382924927
>>382924927
That was my first post in the thread anon. Stop trying to see it as 1 person disagreeing with you and realize it is many people.

>>382924927
>being this deluded
13 has a host of issues, from bad gameplay to bad story to unlikable cast to shitty leveling system to etc.

Imagining it only has one problem is the realm of retards or shills.

>>382918838
"Interesting" maybe. The only problem was that it wanted to tell this super glorified "god among men and they mark their champions and when they finish their task they turn to crystal but if they refuse they turn into monsters and you're gonna change fate through WILLPOWER" story, but they failed at explaining half the mechanics of the process itself, half the lore is text walls that you have to read on your own in the journal section, and the game is a linear tutorial until chapter 11. Hell, you can't even choose with three of the six dumbasses of a main cast you want in your party until that point, and even if you HAVE others in your party, you're stuck with the three that are leading and can't change anything. Not to mention theirs a weapon upgrade system involving materials you can collect, while ALSO having better weapons you can find later, which is counterintuitive.

This whole game is just a hodgepodge mess that needed at least another few months of testing and polishing.

>>382925156

Admitting it and then continuing to behave that way is not character development.

>>382917749
>Worst writing
Sorry, this isn't FFVIII

>>382925303
The next time he admits he doesn't know what's going on the other characters give him shit and say his drive kept them going and he can't give up on it now. Admitting and accepting your faults is fine, not every character needs to change a ton.

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>>382925370

>>382925239
>you have to read on your own in the journal section, and the game is a linear tutorial until chapter 11
These two problems in conjunction are inexcusable. They took away all player agency from the game and had horrible, horrible cinematics in its place. Seriously, the writers and directors who planned out the story are terrible at their job.

>>382925303
>people are only allowed to have a character flaw one time and if they make a mistake again it's bad writing

>>382920205
>>382921054
>>382921728
>All these "people" who played 13-2 and don't rate Lightning Returns above it
I must assume you idiots missed an awesome game and the true final to the series
>>382921571
>Loading screens
He played it on ps3 lol

Overall the original 13 was hard to understand in the beginning because of the story and the leveling up system but you got both of them if you played long enough. I don't think it was a terrible game but it was different and it got better with the sequels,

I also understand that most people who "hate it" were FFVII nostalgia fags who rallied at the time for a remake. For me it was an amazing game when I finally got to understand it and no matter how much do you argue with these virgin neckbeards of this board they are always gonna argue that this series was shit. The series didn't lack any quality is this just this board who is a pile of shit.

>>382925127
>You're just retarded...

tell me why Cid was unfrozen then. bitch.

>>382925017
>failed in spectacular fashion as well

but they didn't failed. it was their intention to make a linear story driven game

>>382925017
>Role playing games should be more open than what FF13 was. Period.
>muh preferences

>>382925303
admitting his faults but sticking to them because the group needs them and has benefitted from them IS character development. Refusing to change is a choice he made, his inflexibility or ability to realize its usefulness is a part of the character. A different character would have changed and fucked up the group by trying to be someone they aren't.

I hate the game and don't even know what character is being discussed but I hate idiots just being wrong.

>>382925621

Group did not need nor benefit from Snow at any point, I don't know what game you played but clearly it wasn't the one I did.

>>382925370
Yes, if Squall instead said "Destiny is Destiny" then VIII would be profoundly deep

>>382925729
Replay it. They specifically say at the beginning on one of the chapters that his drive kept them going. It's even lightning that says it and she was his biggest detractor. Your memory is pretty bad.

>>382925156
>>382925156
Please. The idiot needlessly charges headstrong into danger and exposes the parties lives at every turn. All to satisfy his hero complex. Many of those situations could've been circumvented if even a moment of thought was considered beforehand.

>>382917479
The problem with FF13 is that it takes forever to start in earnest. Even though everyone knows that people just don't want to invest 30 hours for what's just going to be another JRPG system.

>>382925524

>>382920205 here

Oh but I agree with you, LR is probably a better game than 13-2, I just didn't like it as much because of the time thing which stressed me out during the first half of the game before I understood that I basically had unlimited time with chronostasis.
The ending was amazing, I'm glad the 13 trilogy ended the way it did.

I mean, time travel, I love this theme.

I steamrolled through the game but couldn't beat the final boss. Had to watch the ending on youtube like a bitch. I still mad.

>>382925941
>They specifically say at the beginning on one of the chapters that his drive kept them going.

Oh fuck off. Him spouting bullshit nonsense kept them "going"?

Motherfucker never knew what he was talking for the entire game and because the writers decided they wanted to make him feel wanted, they decided to say the he "inspired" them?

This is the shit I'm talking about, this is why it's impossible to talk about this shit seriously.

>>382917479
The game is too linear, and even during that grasslands area the game doesn't really open that much. Character progression is so tacked on, might as well as just boost the stats during every level up like any usual RPG, rather than having to manually unlock it by pressing circle/x time and time again. I like the combat though, I really hope they'd allow party control. Breaking that shelled armadillo's shell feels satisfying as fuck. Characters are a bit annoying though, the one I can actually tolerate is Sazh and Fang. Vanille is too bubbly, Lightning's too try hard, Snow's a generic shonen MC character, and I just don't care about Hope. The lore does intrigued me, but I just can't into the story/plot, the characters are too annoying to listen to.

>>382925454
The bottom one with Rinoa and Squall is extremely funny and would make a great "punchline" if this was better organized. Just saying.

>>382925729
I admitted I don't even know who you are talking about, I haven't played this shitheap of a game. You just blatantly lied saying something wasn't character development when it clearly was.

Think of it this way: In the movie There Will Be Blood the main character is arguably a terrible person. The character knows this as well. He has a scene telling another person he is a terrible person, that person challenges the MC on if this is good or not for him. The MC says he doesn't care, its who he is. He then shoots the man in his sleep, the movie ends with him ruining his life in a similar killings. He isn't nonplussed at this, just accepted he messed up.

His character development was coming to a realization and sticking to his guns in face of it. The moment he didn't choose to change he choose something significant to his character. His not changing WAS a change in the way the viewer saw his character. It is character development.

>>382918630
People hated the first game, so they didn't care about trying the rest.
No way to vocal the hate that specifically since they didn't play those.

>>382917479
The only thing it sucks at is the game play, which is the reason you play games for.

Which FF is the one where all the characters realize they all grew up in the same orphanage together but forgot about it? That was the best one.

>>382926349
Yes. That's pretty much how charisma works. You're big strong and confident so when you say things are going to work out people believe you even if you don't believe you.

>>382926375
You say that, but how much less linear was FFX really? It's the same thing, it's just didn't have the same rushed pacing of 13 that kept pushing it forward making it feel even more linear

>>382926543
VIII is the worst one.

>>382917569
Same.
Fuck that game.

>>382923934
I don't even get where the character complaints come from. Compared to the cast of 8 or 9 the cast of 13 is great.

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>>382917479
Lighting is perfect in everyway and i want to marry her

>>382925526
Anon, it's been years since I played the game.

Do you mean, why he turned back into an human ? If so, it's probably because the mecha-pope did it, the gods can unfroze the l'cie or whatever the fuck the magical slaves are.

>>382926642
t. someone who didn't play it back in the day
This anti-8 hate circlejerk only formed a few years ago. People loved it back in the day

>>382926349
After 9/11 Bush didn't know what the fuck to do so he had a motivational address to the nation on an aircraft carrier. It raised spirits and morale to an almost unprecedented level (90% approval at the time). He didn't know what the hell to do and just did what he thought was right, it turned out to be right we needed that then. He was a bumbling fucking idiot for 8 years but he shone like a diamond that week.

That is a real world example from an oldfag to a newfag about how anime archetypes and tropes are based on actual character traits.

>>382917479
What's Snow wearing under his shirt anyway. Looks like lace.

>>382918608
But he is right anon, stop falseflagging.

>>382926867
>People loved it back in the day
No they didn't, the game has and will always be trash.
t. someone who bought it day one and learned to never buy games day one ever again

>>382926349
The game is incredibly pretentious with bad writing. In the same way all the party members are shilling for how great Lightning is and she spends most of her on screen time being a stick in the mud to the other characters.

Toriyama goes to great lengths to really force the character down your throat when it shouldn't have to be with decent writing.

>>382926867
Actually, I remember people bitching about it when it came out which is a a shame because it was quite good.

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>>382926889

Why is snow still a L'cie? I can't remember and I'm too lazy to use google.

>>382926867
FF8 was the game to jade me to pre-order culture.

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>>382917479
>Final Fantasy 13 was a damn solid game with great aesthetics and very good.

Good in only Production values for graphical design and soundtrack.

Everything else was just dreadful and a huge blow for fans of the series. Final Fantasy was truly starting to free fall when XIII first released.

>>382918608
He's right though.

>>382922914

Better story, better characters, better level progression, more strategy, hotter girls, less moe uguuu shit, less angst and better placed angst when it was there... the only conceivable flaw is that its older, and therefore less graphically appealing.

>>382922525
>AI has delay before execution
>Sometimes freezes and does nothing
>Occasionally makes stupid priority decisions (not healing party leader over someone else at same percentage, even though party leader death is a game over)
>Having to manditorily change paradigms every 2 action to maintain full ATB bars.

Despite all that, the thing that cheeses me the most is that I want a mainline FF with a party battle system. That can't be done with this realtime crap we have had since FF XII, since you can't control each individual character's action.

Really, FFX had a far superior battle system. Sphere grid was abuseable, but the game still provided a challenge. It had other problems. though....

>>382926751

What's it like to be retarded?

>>382927763
Wasn't a fan of FF10 personally. I'd rather have straight turn based like the NES games.

>>382927965
X is straight turn based, it's the only one after the NES games that is as a matter of fact.

>>382917479
it's shit op deal with it

>>382928031
Nah, the way speed affects it makes it different than straight turn based. Getting like 10+ turns in a row is fucking goofy. In the NES games if your speed got high it just made you swing more times when you attacked.

>>382917479
I don't get why people hate linear games while open world is cancer in its purest form.

>>382928232
>straight turn based.
Straight turn based to me is just that you have unlimited amount of time on your turn and its not dictated by a time component like it is in VI-IX and the games after X.
Almost all turn based systems have some sort of iteration on it.

>>382926379
Ya know?

>>382928356
Because the former is a movie with a bad directory and screenwriter, that costs 60 bucks to watch.

>>382928232
>hit 10 times in 10 consecutive attacks
>hit 10 times in 1 10-string attack
They are the same in function.

>>382928436
Ok, well semantics aside I'd rather have the NES system than the FF10 one. There's no sense of tension when you get so many turns compared to bosses, haste is godlike and delay hit and quick hit are also absurd. The NES games did turn based better.

>>382928569
No, because the former gives you a fuckton of chances to heal or buff or whatever, the speed to attack thing only affected regular attacks.

>>382926586
I haven't played X though. Still on my backlog, but thanks for the heads up.

>>382928665
That's a problem with balance not with the system itself.

>>382928665
You get time to do all that after your 10 hit combo, which took 1 turn. You now have 9 turns to do with as you please before the other game gets done its attack x10 string.
You are a mong.

>>382917479
I enjoyed watching no commentary FF13 playthroughs more than actually playing the game.

>>382917479
Textbook example of a horrible opinion, thanks for sharing.

>>382917479
>great aesthetics

The game didn't even have a unified artstyle

Don't give me that shit

>>382928832
Saved picture for later reading, thanks.

>>382928948
I'll concede that then, but the only time I've seen that system was FF10 and that LOTR game.

>>382928981
In the NES games both parties go at the same time, you don't get a bunch of turns to heal up or do whatever in between the enemy turns. You have to balance every turn between offence and defence. The decision making in 10 is so much easier.

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>>382918608
>>382918630
>>382918838
the lore of the world was actually fascinating but it and the story are told and delivered so poorly that no one got most of it

>>382929149
>that LOTR game.
What game is this?

>>382917479
The character artists ned to be fucking fired.

>>382929149
>nes games are turned based
>in the nes games both parties go at the same time
I think you are getting lost in your attempt to dig yourself out of a hole.

10 is easy because they give you access to the whole party during combat. You have like 7 characters as opposed to 3 or 4.

>>382918838
The story was barely there. Everything that isn't a crucial plot point, like context or character motivations, are hidden in the data logs which is inexcusable.

I really enjoyed it when the zim-zams used the piddlystick to beat dillyfiddlers on hyperion X.

>>382929149
Action "economy" makes FFX's system interesting. I'm not saying I don't like turn based, but it makes for something more interesting than a back forth tennis match.

heeeee pos hola juas juas juuas

>>382929401
No I think I'm being fairly clear, maybe not though. In the NES games you choose your actions then everything happens at once. There's no time that you get to go multiple times in a row with the enemy doing nothing. In FF10 once haste and stuff comes into play you might have each character going two or three times per one action each enemy gets. It takes a ton of the tension out of the way and the decision making is easier because you don't have to commit to 4 actions at a time without seeing what the opponent plans to do.

>>382929294
The third age or something, I forget now.

>>382930263
It's fine, I just don't really love it. In atb I have to think quick so I stay engaged, in older FFs I have to commit to a bunch of actions at once so I need to plan well. In FF10 I feel like I have all the time in the world and it's easier to recover from mistakes.

>>382917479
I think so too, but honestly 13 was still pretty trash. It has a good soundtrack and looks great, but that's about it.

>>382930659
All I'm saying is under the old ATB getting hasted ups speed and you get extra attacks, how is that different from attacking a bunch of times in multiple turns?
Its not. You either attack once for 10 turns in a row in FFX or attack once for 10 hits in the NES games. The older system is just as abusable and just as obtuse. They just made speed a legit stat in 10 and didn't break it (you may not know it but the spd stat literally didn't work in older games). Thats all they did, make it the way they originally intended and had a turn tracker to show you "at a glance" how it worked.

You literally don't understand the mathematics behind the ATB if you think they are different. Again, 10 is easy because you can switch characters out or in in real time during combat. You could literally let 3 shitters take the brunt of a special attack from a boss, then switch them out for 3 heavy hitters and it was like you just dodged the special attack entirely. I cheesed the game like this because the game was dumb enough to put the speed stat related turn counter on the screen at all times so I could tell when it was coming 100% of the time.

They are the same system.

>>382930659
>It takes a ton of the tension out of the way and the decision making is easier because you don't have to commit to 4 actions at a time without seeing what the opponent plans to do.

If you did the arena, you would probably have a better appreciation. Until you over level, some of the monsters in there are immune to common tactics. Often they have counter hits on top of actions. So it's not just a case of "spam quick hit" to win.

If the entire game had been made like the arena, it would have been a better game, really. It sort of starts off that way with Wakka the only character with a reasonable ability to hit evasive enemies. By end game, Wakka becomes less useful.

>>382917479
Looking back, it actually is still better than a lot of games that came out after.

was 13 better than 15?

>>382932512
Any game that wasn't gutted to be sold as DLC over a year after its release is better than XV, that game is a disgrace to gaming as a whole.

Just beat XIII like 2 days ago

i didnt skip any cutscenes and i read all the dialog and i still dont know what the fuck i played

the story is a fucking clusterfuck

>>382932512
>was 13 better than 15?

very different games BUT. XV did something very smart: they made a movie out of the early game events instead of cutting you off EVERY 5 MINUTES, like XIII did for the first 15 hours.

>>382932408
>By end game, Wakka becomes less useful.
What? Tidus, Wakka and Rikku are the only viable characters end game because they have the highest innate Agility stat.

>>382932681
worse than kingdom hearts?

>>382932681
>the story is a fucking clusterfuck

it's simple.

Orphan wants to die so that Cocoon falls.
Other fal'cie can't kill Orphan.
Humans can't kill Orphan.
But a human who transforms in to Ragnarock can.
Lightning and the gang... literally gang up on Orphan and kill him.
Cocoon falls but they have Ragnarock reserved and use it to save everyone.

>>382920205
13 > 13-2 >> 13:LR

between final fantasy, street fighter and sonic fanboys I really have no idea which one is worse. These fandoms gladly eat shit and take it up the ass dry for the sake of the company they worship.

>>382932723
Are you legimately retarded? Those three are broken as fuck but NOT for the reason you're claiming.

>>382932941
How do they kill Orphan without using Ragnorak though, I thought that was the point of Ragnorak.

>no shops
>no map
>no cities
>no NPCs
>no sidequest
>no minigames

literally they removed everything that made FF fun, fuck XIII

>>382933429
>It's an 'anon doesn't understand FFX' episode
Their Agi stats make them objectively the best with Quick Hits and then their Overdrives coupled with Mix of 9999 make them unstoppable.

>>382932723
>>382932408
Attack Reels, Mix, Blitz Ace

>>382923427
I've seen teedus so much that the original looks queer to me now.

>>382933431
>How do they kill Orphan without using Ragnorak though, I thought that was the point of Ragnorak.

they gang him. literally. no human can beat him but many together can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOP2tYcgd6Y

>>382933431
Different anon, going to explain it a different way.
Orphan wants to die
Orphan can't be killed by Fal'Cie on Cocoon
Humans can't kill Orphan
Humans CAN be turned into L'Cie by Fal'Cie
Fal'Cie from Pulse are allowed to kill Orphan
Orphan orchastrates Fal'Cie from Pulse to be brought onto Cocoon
Said Fal'Cie turn humans into L'Cie, queue bullying of Orphan

>>382933548
Everyone maxes their stats if you're talking about "endgame" you fucking mongloid. Clear spheres and the monster arena in general are a thing.

>>382933642
>Humans can't kill Orphan
>2 post later
>humans can kill Orphan

wew lad

>>382933661
And some have a higher starting stat than others you mongoloid.

>>382933865
Which.
Doesn't.
Matter.
If your agility is fucking 255 it doesn't matter what the goddamn starting number was.

>>382933843
The party in 13 aren't humans by that point.

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>>382933943
Before you max everyone out those three will always have the highest Agi numbers meaning they can take the most turns making them always the best throughout the entirety of the game.

>>382934112
>Tidus, Wakka and Rikku are the only viable characters end game because they have the highest innate Agility stat.

>Before you max everyone out those three will always have the highest Agi numbers meaning they can take the most turns making them always the best throughout the entirety of the game.

I'm thinking you were dropped on your head. Also, there are more reasons they're the 'best' party to raise up than hurr base stats. There's the simple fact that those three are the only three you can USE in every fight. Nobody else can participate in underwater fights. So Shinryu, etc are all by default going to be fought by those three so why the fuck wouldn't you raise them up? Everyone is capping every stat but those three are the only ones that can participate in every endgame fight. (Barring the stuff that only Yuna can do like the summon challenges)

>>382933661
>Said Fal'Cie turn humans into L'Cie, queue bullying of Orphan
But I thought only Ragnorak could harm Orphan which is why I'm confused, at one point Orphan starts torturing Fang to get her to transform and she does but its an incomplete one and she doesn't even put a dent into Orphan but then Lightning and co come back from being Ci'eth and shoot him in the face and then that segues into the fight with Orphan's second form.

>>382924406
They aren't gods and cocoon is a really small moon thats more or less America sized

>>382934957
They're gods. You're confusing God with a god.

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>>382934697
>I'm thinking you were dropped on your head.
I could say the same to you, of course there are other reasons such as Slide and Dice and Reels synergizing well with Mix of 9999 but the fact that they are the fastest members throughout the entirety of the game is the main reason why they're so good since the game's combat prioritizes Agility. It's why Hastega and Quick Hit are so good.

>>382935359
The original fucking statement was about endgame. You start moving goalposts. Why are you so dense?

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>>382935492
>Gets BTFO
>Muh goalposts

>>382935065
They aren't gods. They're more like giant living machines that have been imbued with the power of crystals

>>382935743

They are gods.

Machine gods, but gods nonetheless.

>>382935652
Pink is shit, silver is best

>>382935743
Weren't all Fal'Cie created with a Focus of their own which is why they need l'Cie to do their bidding?

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>>382917479
The only good thing about this game was it's soundtrack. Lightning especially didn't deserve the gorgeous theme she got. Don't know much about the two sequels, nor do I really care. All I know is that Lightning somehow ends up in our world and is a model in France now. However the fuck that works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke281MBhpDg

>>382935652
You're obviously losing this debate. It's actually pretty funny to watch you try and salvage your dignity even though it's long gone.

>>382935810
No they aren't. They aren't even revered as gods and they're hopelessly mortal. The first thing that happens is the cast obliterates Anima because "SERRRAAHHH"

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>>382926338
You seriously couldn't beat orphan? Did you not grind at all? What was your team?

>>382917749
I didn't use autobattle all that much since it prioritizes aoe attacks if there's more than one target, which is annoying if you're trying to focus an enemy down (ex. Adamantoise legs).

>>382935825
Yep. If you're carbuncle for example, you're stuck providing food and water for Cocoon until you die. Hence me calling them living machines

>>382917479
DmC was an enjoyable game despite its flaws.

Resident Evil 6 was a hot mess but had some of the best 3rd-person action game controls out there. Mercs is great.

Skyrim/Fallout 4 were decent, even if as action games known for their limitless modding potential.

Source-shooters, CoD/BF and Overwatch are all competent multiplayer shooters.

>>382926338
You couldn't even spam Death at him? Holy shit.

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>>382917479
This was my first FF game and it was a fucking piece of shit

The gameplay was boring, it was literally start with the special attack that identify the enemy weakness and then spam the fucking autoattack, The story also was retarded and confusing, also the fact that you need to check the fucking datalog to understand what is happening just show how shit the storytelling is, Characters were whiny and unlikeable except snow who seems to be mentally retarded

The only good thing about the game was the graphics and the OST, everything else was hot garbage, dropped after 10 hours of playing because i really wasn't having any fun with it.

>>382935942
>they aren't gods because the party killed them

Pretty much EVERY god in every FF gets its shit kicked in no matter how powerful they are.

>>382926338
Cheese him using poison. He is so weak to poison it's ridiculous. Just set it up so you're constantly buffing, healing, and casting poison. Easy win

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfu0XBf8kmk

It's not the worst game ever, but it's still got a lot of problems. I prefer the two sequels.

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>>382917479
>running in corridor simulator
>incomprehensible technobabble where story should be
>combat system is just mashing X as hard as you can

If anything, it wasn't slammed hard enough. The 13 in FF13 is the metacritic score it deserves.

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XIII was a legit okay game and I'd say it was better than X, IX, VII (without nostalgia goggles), and II

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>>382936364

People wouldn't even defend this game if it wasn't a Final Fantasy title, that's what pisses me off the most about it.

I haven't played Lightning Returns yet, but I liked the combat enough in FF13-1 and FF13-2. Would I like Lightning Returns?

>>382936189
True but the gods killed in Final Fantasy games aren't killed in the first 10 minutes when the party is considered super fucking weak. Not to mention this is a system where humans are supposed to rule over the Fal Cie

>>382936364
>combat system is just mashing X as hard as you can
Yeah try mashing X as hard as you can against a boss, see how that works out for you.

>>382936045
>Did you not grind at all?

Not him but an RPG is poorly designed if any story boss requires grinding.

>>382936364
>>382936553
Can't all Final Fantasy games combat boil down to
>Mash button as hard as you can

I know XIII was a very flawed game, hell I had to force myself to finish the game. But I think it's safe to say that it's still a better game than XV. I got halfway through XV and have zero desire to finish it. I haven't played XIII-2 or LR so I don't know how they stack up. I heard 2 was better and LR was shit.

>>382936848

I'm sorry, you sometimes have to tap up or down on the paradigm list. My bad.

I have literally never seen a worse combat system in a large budget game.

>>382936969
>All video games
>mash button till win

>>382936969
Yes, in VII all I did was spam by most powerful attacks the whole time at least buffs and debuffs were worthwhile in XIII.

>>382917479
Naw it sucks pretty bad. Its somewhat fun though and has great music. Its aesthetics are eye raping though, but I'm biased against modern FF art design anyway. Its stupidly over designed, I see no difference between it and Bay transformers.

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>>382936985

They are both bad, I'm not playing the "but at least this one had this!" game because they are both shitty.

We deserve better.

>>382937116
So why is it only a problem when FF13 does it?
>>382937073
>I have literally never seen a worse combat system in a large budget game.
Sure you have, just look at any other Final Fantasy game

>>382937073
How a casual like you plays the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVGInge9_Zs

How a patrician plays the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5kH1ID9qEI

When the average fan was too casual for the system you know something with the series is wrong.

>>382936969

Most of them no, since in all the actually good Final Fantasies combat is turn based or ATB (= turn based with a very lax time limit on turns). In FF13 you're actually in a hurry to mash attacks because the combat is realtime, and that completely ruins every bit of strategy it might have otherwise had. You don't have the TIME to do anything clever, just mash mash mash and occasionally switch roles so you can tank a hit better.

>>382937227
>so why is it only a problem when FF13 does it?
I d-don't know. I just wanted to say it for a meme..

>>382937271

Looks like god damn absolute garbage both ways. Just meaningless number vomit.

>>382937203
Fair enough, I completely agree with you. Shame what the franchise has become. I think the next FF should go back to it's roots instead of trying to get more and more modern/futuristic.

>>382923576

I don't think it's shills, but people who played the game as kids. It came out seven years ago (eight in Japan, but Japanese people rarely post here), so the kids who played it back then remember it fondly.

>>382936907
I sincerely disagree with that statement. If the game provides a challenge throughout without actually engaging with the content any more than strictly necessary then what happens if someone actually ENJOYS the battle system? Should they be fucked out of being able to enjoy a challenge throughout the game if they do the thing they enjoy?

I really enjoyed FXIII and I hope FF7 remake has similiar combat to FF13.

>>382937316
>combat is turn based or ATB
And you're still mashing the same moves over and over, in VIII the combat is entirely Haste -> Aura -> Overdrive -> Overdrive -> Overdrive.

>>382937484

It's fucking disturbing to think that people who were eleven when FF13 came out are now old enough to post on 4chan.

>>382917479
I enjoyed it but it's fundamentally flawed. There's lots of things that I could bring up (that I already have in previous threads), but basically it's a top-down issue. The management was incompetent even though everyone working under them was quite talented. XIII's entire design philosophy of being hyper-linear and hyper-restrictive (for 95% of the game) weighed the entire experience down. If the game's structure was more in line with the more classic Final Fantasies but everything else was the same (battle system, aesthetics, setting, etc), it could have been great.

>>382937475
I think it should go back to its roots and stop being shit.

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>>382937475

I've given up on FF to be honest, I don't think SE has the talent or vision to make a game that is good in earnest.

Hopefully they can prove me wrong one day, as big-budget JRPGs have gone the way of the dodo.

>>382937585

Yeah, but they've probably been here for years anyway.

>>382937585
Nigger, people younger than FF7 have been posting for years.

>>382937578
>And you're still mashing the same moves over and over

No. You're CHOOSING the same moves over and over. You literally don't have to mash in any of the others. FF13's combat being faster is what ruins the combat. It has to be slow or it's shitty and nontactical.

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>>382937694
>as big-budget JRPGs have gone the way of the dodo.
But they're better than ever.

>>382937785

I really don't see what everyone sees in Persona. I've completed all of them because I'm autistic, but the only ones I actually liked were Persona 1 and 2.

>>382937785

Okay that's one, now name ten others.

>>382935872
>its actually pretty funny to watch you try...
This is only uttered by someone so butthurt they got blown out that they themselves have to laugh at the absurdity of the absolute state of their life in that moment. Their psyche goes to laughter from an inability to accept reason, they instead reason it as something funny. I'm not even the guy you were arguing with, just a thing I've noticed.

>>382937316
Exept you're wrong. If you Auto-battle everything it will intentionally gimp you. Autobattle will swap between physical and magical attacks, for isntance, if the enemy's resistance is neutral on them. that means they're doing the full animation for each. If you were to manually select 5 Thunders instead of letting it be thunder/sparkstrike/thunder/etc it's only take about 3/5 the time to do and you'd get more damage by you know, taking things into your own hands and deciding how to fight.

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>>382937720
Optimal play has you choosing the moves, you also didn't mention ATB refresh, cancelling strings to prolong a launch state, buffering a move with a Paradigm shift and other stuff.

>>382937785


I just want another fucking Nocturne god dammit.

Fuck Persona.

>>382937941
>4chan is one person
keep trying buddy, you'll figure it out one day

>>382937907
Anyone who likes Persona 1 is so contrarian that their world view is distorted beyond saving.
>>382938042
SMTV was literally announced at the Switch reveal.

>>382938092
Yeah man, what this dude said. /v/ is a mixing pot of multiple retarded opinions. Get your facts straight buddy

>>382936174
>dropped after 10 hours of playing
I hate to be that guy, but you didn't even get past the tutorial.

The game is so badly designed, you don't get out of the introduction until you arrive at Gran Pulse 20 or so hours in.

>>382938092
In my post I said I wasn't the guy you were arguing with, that means 4chan isn't one person.
I don't understand what your retardation is meant to convey.

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>>382917479
I thought this meme died for good but here it is.

>>382917479
I've come to find out that people who legitimately enjoy JRPGs are just easily amused casuals and are likely in it simply for the waifus. How can anyone with dignity as a seasoned gamer/consumer praise this linear garbage? Story is important, but there comes a point when it's just not enough to justify the game as good if the gameplay is that bad. There was a Digimon Cybersleuth thread earlier and I was amazed at how many people praised it. That was my most recent attempt at giving JRPGs a go, and it just reminded me of why I grew out of them. You played on you played them all. You have yo be a little retarded to enjoy an uninspired JRPG like XIII.

>>382938189

Not everyone who likes unpopular things is contrarian. You need to look for the cues that show they're desperate for attention, which usually includes being overly hostile. Just stating "I'm not a fan of these more popular entries" isn't really hostile, you need to wait for further cues to decide.

Anyway, I admit that the combat in the first game is pretty shit. I mostly just like it because it had great music (played the Japanese PSX version), I liked being able to give anyone pretty much any Persona to any character, and I liked the "reality broke and now our town is flooded with demons" story it had going.

>>382938402
>assumes the guy he's arguing with is the guy who was arguing before
>calls someone else retarded
/v/ always gets the best autists.

>>382938538

>and are likely in it simply for the waifus

>JRPGs didn't exist before the 21st century

>>382938538
>you played on you played them all
>you have yo be a little retarded
Take your stroke medication, Jamal. Can't fuck my wife if you're too busy having a seizure

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>>382938757
>waifus are a recent invention

>>382938596
>Not everyone who likes unpopular things is contrarian.
Only liking Persona 1 and 2 is max contrarianism though.

5 > 3 > 2 > 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heat death of the universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1

The only thing the other games lack that P1 has is giving Personas to all your party members.

so which is the best FF and why is it Tactics?

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>>382938538

To be honest JRPGs have not changed in 20 years.

The last JRPG that came out that was honestly innovative was probably TWEWY.

>>382938941

Well, you say whatever you need to to protect yourself from different opinions.

>>382937316
The remakes of FF3 and FF4 on DS didn't have ATB, great games. So obviously not all games are on the ATB rules

>>382938605
I was interjecting myself into your petty argument and I specifically didn't want you to think its the same guy you are arguing with. My remark was lowbrow and I didn't want you to conflate it from the other guy. I wanted you to know how absurd your mindset was, I was interjecting as an outsider.

And you are so strung out on your own autism you saw it as another vector of shitposting or metameme-ing. You are THAT autistic. You're right, /v/ always gets the best autists. I'm sure you are here 18 hours a day.

>>382939041

Tactics is probably the only FF story that makes sense from beginning to end.

>>382938808
You don't have a wife, Leonard.

>>382939176
IX was pretty coherent and straight forward.

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>>382938821

I know they aren't, but it wasn't until the late 90s/early 2000s that they even looked good enough to play games for them. I doubt many people play Dragon Quest IV because Alena was sexy as fuck in 1990.

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>>382939131
>still doesn't understand

>>382938538
This is why FF12 is loathed around here. The game is hard as balls to do everything (ff fans want to do everything like a themepark visit when they play). They inevitably fail at some challenge or sidequest becomes too involved for them and they rage against the game making them realize they are stupid.

One of the optional bosses blocks the use of the attack function. My friend made it that far and ragequit the game. My option? Find a way to beat it with magicks and technicks and items. He told me that was "dumb and gay" and just shelved the game. Months later I was playing and just did the old reflect trick and destroyed the boss. Thats a technique from oooolllldd FF games and he didn't even try it.

FF12 is the pleb filter of FF games.

>>382939496
>Game is hard as balls
>Can literally do the super boss without any input
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGKwY84tvQY
What did he mean by this?

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>>382917479
THE GAMEPLAY IS COMPLETE DOGSHIT. ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE HAS LITERALLY NEVER PLAYED ANOTHER FINAL FANTASY GAME.

>>382939627
>need an autistic understanding of the combat system to accomplish this
>somehow this is bad game design

Congrats you realized that knowing a game inside and out makes your choices easier.

>>382939496

>The game is hard as balls to do everything

Say what? Not really. I just don't like it because it bores me to tears.

>>382939645

Nah, a friend of mine who played FF VI liked XIII. I don't know why, but he did.

>>382938596

Modern Persona fags usually get touchy when someone questions the appeal and then says that they prefer the older ones or SMT. Because obviously if you don't love modern Persona you've got mental problems.

>>382939804
Its fine if its not your thing but to do a "100% run" is pretty hard
>get all the espers. 8 are optional and just unlocking how to battle them you need to complete other sidequests
>hunt all the marks. Not that hard but each mark will usually have a subquest related to it, if you don't do those (which aren't marked quests) you can miss out on the aforementioned espers
>Completing the bestiary and the library attached requires killing all 80 of the rare game monsters
>the great crystal and pharos at ridorana both have an entire second dungeon portion that houses some of those rare game monsters and hunts. Most players either don't revisit those areas, or even know they exist.
>monsters in these areas inflict status ailments constantly in such a rotation that you can't gear/accessory yourself to immunity from them and gambit reliability plummets when they hit the whole party.
>Most people don't even know there is a fishing minigame in the game AT ALL.

Like I said, it might not have been your cup of tee but it is the hardest FF game to actually 100% (FFIX is arguable but its all timed bullshit you can permamiss). Almost nothing in XII is missible, it just won't all be tracked like a main sidequest will be.

>>382940330
Thats just because for some reason Persona just instantly became a huge thing in the west. Before it was pretty niche. Ive got a friend who plays vidya pretty much every waking moment of the day, and those vidyas he plays are samey hyped up AAA action titles. He played Persona 5 and didnt beat it once, but swears that its a great game. Things like this are bound to happen in the industry as more normies seek to be niche demographics.

>>382939645
Fuck you the paradigms are the best FF battle system and I want it back

>>382940853
It still is niche though, Final Fantasy XIII sold more than all six Persona games combined and all the games were released on the best selling console.

>>382940493

Oh if you're saying it's hard to 100% it blind, I definitely agree. If you're using a guide it's mostly just time consuming. Some areas like the Great Crystal can be a bitch though.

>>382940972
>the paradigms are the best FF battle system

/v/, at it again.

>>382941174
Isn't the Great Crystal literally trial and error at the end where you have all those branching paths?

>>382941309

It's been so long I can't remember. I just remember getting lost and, I think, hit with a lot of status effects.

>>382941053
Its niche yeah. My point is that alot of people now actively want to like niche things.

>>382941229
Please, let's hear what you think the best one is.

Everyone having their own signature summon was pretty nifty as well.

>>382941309
No, it has structure to its design and layout, but no map and all the rooms looking the same makes it a nightmare. Look at a picture of the "map" online and you will see the lattice structure of it in 3d. Its essentially a honeycomb.

>>382939252
more like, too coherent and straightforward. This was like baby's first FF game.

>>382939252

Until the bullshit about Zidane being an angel of death or something.

>>382941774
> This was like baby's first FF game.
VII has and will always hold that title.

>Pleb
VII
>Contrarian
VIII
>Patrician
IX

>>382941945
made perfect context in relation to the things happening when you learn this.

>>382917479
So fucking stupid.

>>382942267

Not really.

>>382941945
wasn't bullshit or strange at all

What bothers me is how big the world seems when you're on the mist continent, but then the world starts to feel very small when there's so little going on in the other continents.
It worked for the outer continent, the journey to the outer continent was neat, like you arrived on a new planet, but then when you look back at the mist continent it just feels so small
Common problem in ff games though.

>>382942498
Explain where it was lost on you. It made perfect sense to me.

>>382941229
Oh yeah? What do you think is better then?

>>382939645
What's wrong with it?

>inb4 autobattle

Anyone who uses this as an argument literally either has not played the game or they dont ynderstand what exactly it does or how it works

What's the last FF game everyone can agree is good?

No XV-kun, XV is not the answer.

>>382939041
Because unit customization via a job system is better than having characters with preset specializations and abilities like most FF games seem to do

>>382938538
Clear out everyone, this guy is clearly the sovereign free thinker and his opinions on the JRPG genre far outclass anyone elses

Final fantasy more final fucking retard

>>382944041
I like them all for different reasons

But practically speaking, i predict most people would consent to IX since, as far as i have seen so far, X is where the divisiveness really, truly begins, moving forward with the franchise

>>382932941
Man that was easy, I wonder how fuck up of a writer you must be to convolute this to nonsense

Sazh's voice acting might be the only not awful sounding one in 13. Though admittedly, that's probably more because of the writing.

>>382945187

The voice direction is terrible too.

The voice direction has stayed terrible since after FFXII.

>>382945479
This might actually be the worst Troy baker has ever sounded

>>382939645
I started with FF1 in the very early 90s and have played the entire mainline series and I think the paradigm system was pretty good.

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>>382945949
Nope.

>>382941053
And 13 was multiplat and at a time when PS3 had no games. It was competing with the likes of Fallout 3.

>>382945479
To be fair FF12 is the only FF with good voice acting except maybe 14, I forget how it was in that one.

>>382946163
And they sound like they're talking into tin cans in XII.

>>382917749

Every FF has autobattle and linear corridors. Just because a hallway is wide doesn't stop it from being a hallway.

>>382946587
I don't get why people pretend you don't just mash attack through the majority of most final fantasy titles.

>>382946587
XV and the World of Ruin from VI are literally open world though and those are two of the most liked games, really makes you think.

>>382937484

>FFXIII was 7 years ago

Holy fuck

Also I played it at 20 and thought it was great. Going multiplatform really hurt it, but they did a decent job of working around the multiple disc issue by moving the open world content to the end.

>>382918608

I've beaten the game and whole-heartedly agree with him

>>382924079

It was still all of mankind in danger.

>>382946751
>I haven't played VIII the post

>>382917479
>Final Fantasy 13 was a damn solid game with great aesthetics and very good.
I don't remember how much hate it actually got, but I was utterly bored with it and completely put off from trying the other games related to it.
So yeah, "damn solid" ain't how I'd describe it.

>>382939496
What are you talking about, ff12 is pissy easy and you can even play it on auto basically.
It's the least involved in terms of gameplay.
Without zodiac it's the worst in terms of character progression and uniqueness as well.

What actually saves ff12 is the story.

>>382946548

I don't know what was up with that. The Japanese VA sounds fine.

>>382918371
It really wasnt any worse than FO3 but it wasnt any better either. We expected a better game and we got another of the same

>>382946723
XII is also open world

>>382917479
You're right it was solid. I recall back in 2011, the first time I had played it. I just got really bored off it. Got to Gran Pulse and lay the game down for 2 months.
I picked it up after a bore patch and then did the side quests, and those are the best parts of the game.

Theres very good ideas, very good reminds me of Lost Odyssey, it misses the mark, an imperfect game just like FFXV which kind of looks samey.

FFVII had an enormous impact primarily because I had no information before even trying to play it. I didn't know what an RPG was.

I'm thinking the next big game will come from apparently nowhere with no information on what it's like. It feels more that video game culture has stagnated.

>>382922682
>The ending (without 13-2/3) don't make any sense,

non-spoiler explanation: literal divine intervention

ever see DBZ movie 9 (bojack unbound) and the part with goku near the end? basically that.

spoiler explanation: the goddess of death etro saved the party because she loves humans,

>>382923576
Yeah this. Ive been seeing a shit ton of threads/posts saying 13 is underrated or why do people hate hatethis game. Its worrying that so many people honestly like such a horrible shit game

>>382917479
No it isn't. It's trash and the series is awful. It deserves every bit of hate it gets, whether or you not you personally feel like it is unjustified.

>>382940972
I have the same opinion. All it needed was ability to switch between characters and the battle system would be absolutely perfect.

>>382917479
you have to be 18 to be on this website, yknow

>>382949732
The irony. All they talked about was how their idiotic charge against orphan was their choice, and they still ended up as puppets.

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>>382951496

>not sharing the same opinion as me makes you a minor

>>382950224
The game is 8 years old. People might just be getting nostalgia for a game they played as teens. Or it's just shit posting.

>>382917479
It's kawai

>>382952063
puppets to the fal cie? pretty much

etro saving them however was just her kindness, she's a benevolent god

actually I looked into it, and apparently she intervened 2-3 times (turning ragnarok back into fang twice and turning them back from crystal)