esports are dying

So what are those reasons

Why did they leave?

Maybe they could move into rainbow six siege, so that Ubi actually spends money in 1080p broadcasts

>>382867150
this

What happened? I thought Overwatch was supposed to be the next big esport.

>>382867150
>>382867150
This

What the fug OP, you had one job

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>>382867056
>people ACTUALLY thought Overwatch esports would last
holy shit the absolute state of vidya

>>382867056
>evil geniuses
Who?

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>hur dur reasons
>doesn't post reasons

I think this might be an attempt to get us to google shit and end up on his crappy news website

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>>382867056
>Competitive gachapon
How does that work

>Fuck You OP

Evil Geniuses, the big esports organisation with teams in most big competitive games, has announced that it’s disbanding its Overwatch squad.

The company said the decision came after “a dialogue”, and added that synergy between players hasn’t been where it needed to be in order for the team to continue.

Evil Geniuses also noted that although it does not currently have any Overwatch teams, this is not the end for their interest in competitive Overwatch. “We will be looking on to how the scene continues to develop,” the team wrote.

The team showed solid performance in online tournaments, but actually didn’t do well in the Contenders open qualifiers. This is perhaps the bigger reason for the move, but there’s also the uncertainty about professional Overwatch that pushed several other teams recently to drop support for the game.

So far, other big names like Fnatic, Splyce, Team Dignitas, and even Ninjas in Pyjamas have all disbanded their Overwatch teams. Since its reveal, the Overwatch League was criticised for reportedly having unrealistic entry fees, a sticking point that Blizzard denied in May.

If more and more teams continue to take a step back from competitive Overwatch, Blizzard’s plans for the game’s pro league may not be off to the best start.

>>382867472
You're retarded

>ok dudes u heal me and I tank
>now press ur Qs on three..two...one...
>nice job bros we did it
lmao what do the expect with MMO shit balancing

>>382867514
So the whole thread is fake news, great

That's what happens when a competitive scene is artificially made by the publisher by just pumping money into rather than have an actual passionate competitive community formed organically.

If you keep changing the game-meta no one will stick to it. Will Blizzard never learn?

It's dying just in time for Nintendo to step in and dominate it like when vidya died in the West in 1983.

>people get bored with and stop playing shitty games
yeah?
Who's the dumbfuck at Blizzard that thought TIMED UPDATES were a good idea?

>>382867551
But all you do is play for a loot box. How am I dumb for pointing that out?

>>382867776
>>382867592

haha awe shit, pasted the wrong thing.

https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/28/overwatch-isnt-making-its-expected-splash-into-esports/

>thinking blizzard games are balanced and competitive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtK9EvhqEIw

>>382867776

People just got burned out on Overwatch too quickly, me thinks. It didn't help that the game has revolved around two incredibly stompy metas for 90% of its life.

People just aren't enthused with the game from a competitive standpoint. It completely inorganic and without character. All Blizzard esport ventures are like this.

>>382867562
This

"competitive overwatch" is literally both teams sit across from each other and do cartwheels and jerk their dick until both sides have ultimates and then you just collide and whoever wins that fight gets to push to the next point/capture that point

It might be the stupidest esport I've ever watched

>>382867636
This is a thread about overwatch not LoL

>>382868014
Overwatch has fuck all content, too bad the reviews already came out, it's not surprising the game is already fucking dying
no new weapons, hardly any new characters, shit balance, hardly any new maps, TIMED UPDATES, shit's a fucking joke.

>tf2 will outlive overwatch

>>382868331
>TIMED UPDATES

I don't play OW. What does this mean?

>>382867056
>stale meta
>sponsors pulling out
>honeymoon period is over

was /v/ right is Overwathc going to die?

>>382867056
>esports are dying
Good.

But what about HotS?

>>382867056
Overwatch was a novelty game for the scrubs that never played TF2 and have only played CoD or BF, which is most casuals these days. Not surprising that it would flop once the novelty fades.

>>382868441

It's more like TF2 than they care to admit.

Casual appeal will carry the game but esports will be niche

>>382868420

New Mode X/Map is coming every 3/6/9/12 months for instance

>overwatch

Sadly e-"sports" aren't dieing but an imbalanced piece of trash game is.

>>382868492
this

finally this bubble bursts and developers focus on single player again

>>382867056
So Blizzard's sitting on their thumbs when they should be making concrete plans and their best guess for LANs is sometime in 2018? That's just rediculous.

>>382868492
>>382868653
>>382868728
What about e-sports has you all triggered?

>>382867514
wtf...NiP had an overwatch team? I didn't even know they were an organization I thought it was just a team f0rest made with friends for CSGO.

Blizzard killed esports Overwatch themselves just like they did for Starcraft.

>>382868912
They have a few teams actually

>>382867514
>a bunch of shitter teams that never get results are disbanding their Overwatch teams
>the scene is dying guys
lol. Nobody wants to sponsor a bunch of losers that can never win games, so they drop the teams. Why is this surprising to anybody?

>>382868930
How though?

>>382867056
>esports are dying

No. Blizzard's shitty casualized cash grabs with artificially manufactured e-sports scenes are dying.

CSGO is thriving. LoL is thriving. DotA is thriving.

Do you think a Heroes of the Storm revamp could revive OW?
You gain experience during the game and pick a path for your character.
Down to picking a different ult if you choose to.
Would kinda suck that you couldn't change character though

>>382868984
>fnatic and dignitas
>shitter teams

no

All the low sponsors are disbanding. Overwatch is making room for only the big boys

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>>382867056
I haven't played an FPS for more than an hour since CS 1.6 and even I could tell this game was going to be trash from the beta, why are you people so surprised?

Are you 14 years old?

>>382868912
Not surprised you didn't know. They were literally only relevant during tank meta, then promptly stopped winning games the minute it was over.

No shit a game that doesn't require skill is slowly being dropped from serious sponsors who play serious games.

>>382868912
You're fucking dumb, NiP has been around for a long ass time and wasn't made by f0rest at all and certainly not during CSGO. NiP has been around since pre 1.6 days even.

>>382869047
OW doesn't need a revive and all those changes would just hurt the game. Players would revolt and leave on a massive scale.

>>382869124
They are in Overwatch

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The disbanded teams took the rainbow pill

>>382868420
>hey guys we got this new stuff
>PLAY NOW BEFORE IT GOES AWAY

>>382867056
Or maybe because Overwatch and SC2 have dead scenes that no one watches?

Is overwatch esports grassroots? i don't play that shit but dont think it was. No diffrent then people moving on to the next new game once money dry

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How can anybody stand watching FPS esports? I can understand the moba shit but shooters are easy as shit to master, especially overwatch

The only teams that are relevant are Envyus and rogue, even then they can't compete with the highest Korean teams

>>382869124
The Organizations are good but that doesn't mean their OW teams were.

>>382869546
How can one have such a shit opinion? It's the other way around

>>382868902
Fat fucks thinking they are athletic for playing a video game, and the cult following of a million 12 year old virgins

Overwatch never had a good E-Sports scene. It was forced as fuck for something so casual. Literally a more casual TF2 with MOBA-like skills.

>>382869752
>Fat fucks thinking they are athletic
...where did you get this idea from?

>>382869752
You don't need to be in good shape for it to be a sport, look at golf. Do you even know the definition of a sport? Probably not, you are a fucking retard after all.

>>382869767
You don't know shit, it has a pretty good scene and if blizzard supports it right with league it can explode

Here's an idea.

Split the game up into two games

Quick Play / Arcade version of Overwatch is the piece of shit that it is now

Comp becomes a hardcore mode where dps heroes deal more damage, you lose ult charge on death, and various other tweaks to make the game not a fucking joke, like how McCree has a stun. McCree's flashbang should be a super short duration Sombra-style ability silence.

>>382867215
Money isn't enough to make an esport, see: any esport that isn't Dota, LoL or CS

>>382869893
You underestimate being in good shape

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>>382869694
meant to say RTS not moba my bad nigga, fps esports is still shit though

>Esports are usually unfun with a ton of bullshit rules that makes the game unfun by a bunch of skillless hacks who ban/restrict everything
>Developer tries to make a game to please this niche, and boring as fuck crowd
>Some how makes a game that is shit in every way

How does blizzard keep getting away with it?

>>382869441
Too many modes fractures the playerbase. Same way mmos have literal empty maps once the majority of players have outleveled them. Better to rotate content or "evolve" current to keep it relevant.

>people thought a casual console shooter designed to sell waifu skins in gambling boxes was going to become an "e-sport"

only autistic neckbeards believe playing video games can be considered a sport, and they were the ones Blizzard doesn't want and doesn't cater to. They only threw a few bones to the "pros" because Blizzard's marketing budget for any of their games are ENORMOUS and they slather the internet in viral marketing.

>>382870042
S'all good and I totally agree

BUT MUH 6 GORILLION PLAYERS!

this is what you get for charging $40 for a f2p game

>>382869030
But LOL competitive scene is entirely artificial.

The entire pro scene only plays because its free money.

>>382870173
Blizzard are literally putting millions into an Overwatch league

Nice try tho

>>382870241
That doesn't make the game fun.

Good competitive games are fun first, then the scene grows from the community that develops around it, not the developers pumping money into it.

>>382867056
League,Dota 2 and CS:GO keep growing and other e-sports too.

OW is decaying because it's garbage as an e-sport, it's not fun to watch and that's one of the most fundamental parts of e-sports.

>>382869030
>CSGO is thriving. LoL is thriving. DotA is thriving.
All of those have been stagnant for two years now.
E-Sports has peaked.

>>382870239
>Pro players play for money

Really makes me think...

>>382870373
>Good competitive games are fun first, then the scene grows from the community that develops around it, not the developers pumping money into it.
Yeah that's not the case now and hasn't been for years. CSGO and DOTA2's scenes only exist because of the previous games and because of all the money Valve puts into them via loot boxes. LoL was funneled money by Riot after the community begged for tournaments.

>>382870153
>Too many modes fractures the playerbase.
That's why TF2 was able to include a boatload of modes that are still piss easy to find full matches in right?
What the fuck is Overwatches excuse when it has millions compared to TF2s 70k?

>>382870570
LOL's pro scene was entirely because Riot pumped money into it.

Most of them are Dota 1 vets who simply went into the game because it was litterally free money, you get money just for showing up, thats how much money riot pumps into the scene.

>>382870373
iirc all the TF2 pros that jumped ship were doing scrims and shit in beta before competitive mode or anything like it was pushed at all.

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>>382870485
>All of those have been stagnant for two years now.

You need to post some kind of proof along that. All the numbers keep going up. The e-sports industry just keeps getting bigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_GxPXXLc-w

>>382870638
A large portion of the playerbase just wants to play ranked. To the point that they made seasons a week apart because everyone was complaining that ranked players were taking over QM post season.

>>382870620
You're posting examples of games that have had over a decade to grow.

Though, CS:GO's competitive scene is one of those ones artificially created by Valve, most of the pros would still be playing 1.6

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>esports are dying
>implying anybody ever took competitive overwatch seriously in the first place
Actual esport titles like Dota 2 are thriving.
I don't know the condition about other esport titles though since I don't care about them. Dota 2 is the only esport worth watching desu .

Good. Fuck esports. Bring back underground basement tourneys. Way better.

>>382867514
Translation: They lost and probably started blaming each other. Also, no one wants to pay out the ass to compete.

>>382870969
>esports dying because blizzard cant into competitive gaming

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>>382870719
>Pendragon makes the biggest dota 1 forum redirect to league
>Dota 1 players were a majority in league

Woah...

Also you need to get to the LCS to get a salary, getting there ain't easy, not so easy free money.

Also the salaries were just a thing after season 2 or 3 I think. Before that most sources of income were by non-Riot tournaments, and most pros agreed that those were garbage.

>>382867056
Wasn't Overwatch supposed to make their own league? Last time I went to their site about it, it still said they were in the in the starting stages, what the fuck happened? It was a huge deal and they even produced a promotional video for it and we haven't heard anything have we?

>>382870802
Not going to watch your shitty youtube video, normal.

Well what do you know... People are realizing that it isn't very exciting to watch people sit and move their fingers a little, compared to a real sport. It was inevitable.

>>382871120
seems like it's hard to find people dumb enough to pay kids to play Overwatch

>>382867056

Just play the game because you want to play the game

Fuck the competitive community

You think people actually give a shit about be FGC either? We just want to play good fighting games

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>>382867056
>PPD left the most casual, boring forced esport
Based.
What will this mastermind do next?

>>382870842
They're the best examples I have off the top of my head that are super popular, have a lot of money, and have had accusations of being "artificial" thrown at them.

>>382871379
>We just want to play good fighting games
Then why is SFV the game of the FGC instead of something good?

Overwatch is the Heroes of the Storm of first person shooters

>>382870102
The crowd might as well never be there in western eSports, at least Korea tries, Blizzard is the worst at this, they need to stop listening to fucking autists screeching their wittle baby ears hurt because some crowd got hyped during a play. Or boohoo I am European and I keep from clapping because its dignified.

SPORTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HYPE

And holy shit you idiots stop intentionally sabotaging tournaments by keeping shitty nepotism casters and banning the actually funny ones. Hearthstone got killed because of this.

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>>382868902
E-sports is cancer because it has the ability to draw more money than other ventures like co-op or single-player experiences, so devs/publishers flock to it instead of other types of games or experiences. E-sports also pushes people into playing games in the most "efficient" and overly efficient manner, which usually ends up being the most boring and least-creative way to play.

>>382867056

Esports will never die, espeically overwatch. There is too much money involved. People will always flock to money.

>>382867056
shitzzard is dieing.

abandon ship!

Blizzard are just getting rid of the good players so they can get more women playing in the league

>>382871361
Then why didn't they prepare anything?

>Hero shooter
>Esports
when are these memes going to die?

Are there any e-sports that are legitimately fun to watch?

Good. E-sports is a cancer that ruined multiplayer. These days people are play multiplayer just to get big $$$, not for their own enjoyment.

>inb4 gooks

>>382871990
Just play with your friends on multiplayer.

>>382871732
>E-sports also pushes people into playing games in the most "efficient" and overly efficient manner
I'd say that's more to do with players wanting to play better and the ease of accessing that information. E-sports just has the most efficient way to play st the forefront. It's really the players in the rest of the community that decide to emulate it and up to the devs if they want to encourage it or not.

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good

this aids ridden electronic sports meme needs to end

>>382872039
Not anon but playing with my friends suck. All my one friend wants to play is Overwatch and he always badmouths everyone else and believes he's a fucking pro Overwatch player and could drop out of college and become a pro.

>>382872039
I don't have friends, that's why I'm here, on /v/.

>>382867215
the game also has to be good

>>382872162
What's it like to have friends?

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>>382871790
>especially overwatch
>loses teams while DOTA 2's International is three million higher than last year
remove the fifth and sixth words from your post and you'd be right

>>382872162
>>382872173
It's ok. Just play with random people, except with Gooks, Ruskies and Chinks.

>>382872240
Some of them will be a qt3.14 and you will marry her one day.

>>382872240
All my friends don't really talk to me willingly. Like many of my friends go hangout and dont invite me and the friend I specifically talked about is a dick when it comes to games and almost broke my Dualshock controller to fuck with me. So it's whatever.

>esports like League and Overwatch are dying
>Melee is thriving

hmmm....

>>382871990
Some Dota 2 can be neat when a crazy play happens, but I think that's the case with anything. You don't go to NASCAR to see them make 300 left turns WITHOUT crashing.

>>382872064
I think you're right. E-sports can still be unhealthy for the industry from a creative stand-point, though. There are some fantastic ideas wasted.

>>382870829
>A large portion of the playerbase just wants to play ranked.
so you're saying the main issue with the game is the people who play it?
whatever happened to playing games because you genuinely enjoy them?

>>382871990
warcraft 3, league of legends and fighting games if you consider them esports I do.
I don't play any of these games anymore so I'm generally out of the meta but I still find it fun to watch.
Too bad professional warcraft 3 is long dead.

Has blizzard even added a dedicated spectator camera so it's possible to see what's going on? Dota and lol work because the veiw lets you take in the map on the whole and CS:GO is slower.

Trying to watch a game of overwatch through 12 different player cams is disorientating and schizophrenic.

>>382871645
I haven't played other shooters, but HotS main difference to Dota and League is the fact that HotS doesn't have items or cs, HotS is often called by pros, what League/Dota would be if they started at 25 minutes, only teamfights and team rotations, no early game.

The only thing I've heard about OW and other shooters is that OW has a huge reliance on ults and that they can be gamechanging but outside that I have no idea

>>382871990
Evo and The international are pretty fun to watch

>>382867056
good
esports fucking sucks
way too serious, it's unfun
fgc has the right idea with the still being able to have fun and be silly

>>382872567
I think they enjoy it, they just rather not interact with the other parts of the community and want to stick to their niches.

>>382868902
Not competitive games or the competitive nature of the scene in general, I actually like it, but the fucking idiots that go "IT'S A SPORT. WE'RE ATHLETES JUST LIKE (insert names here). RESPECT US LIKE OTHER SPORTS. THIS A SPORT JUST SO YOU KNOW" are really annoying. It is it's own thing, why force it down the throat of an entirely different community. And then when you ask why this is a "sport" but not things like cooking, they get even more autistic.

>>382872429
>melee eventually becomes THE national esport

>>382869005
They announced the big Overwatch league, and then failed to follow through with it.
Every org, including other tournament organizers paused everything waiting for Blizz to announce what they were planning.
When Blizz didn't do it in time, the esports scene just withered from lack of events. Many orgs dropped their Overwatch teams cause they were losing money.

>>382869893
>You don't need to be in good shape for it to be a sport
He never said that. Also, based on the dictionary definition and the definition people use as a stretch to say that vidya is a sport, how come things like drawing or cooking aren't sports?

>>382867215
>boring ass game to watch
>only ok to play unless you have friends I guess
blizzturd got lucky with hearthstone, turns out you can't shut out casualized true and turn it into an esport.

>>382872932
That has to do with the autistic nature of gamers. Every time someone makes fun of gaming, gamers get on their high horse and throw fits to prove they're a real sport. The only person I can think of who didn't give a shit when gamers came after him was Gavin McInnes.

>>382873065
Did blizz really cancel that overwatch league?

>>382871790
It is very worrying that Blizzard is putting so much money there yet there still is no monetization on the scene.

League's e-ports scene financiation is basically backed up by the fact that there is no marketing or ads to pay for league, the e-sports scene is the marketing, Riot puts the scene to promote the game and be the face of league after Season 3.

I'm almost 100% sure Blizzard spent millions on advertising while Riot probably spent 100k at League's launch. Sure OW made bank but Blizzard is charging like 20 millions per team. That's 10 times more than what a team slot is worth in League. Blizzard is investing way too much and their league doesn't even pull the same viewers as the big three (LoL/CS:GO/Dota2) or even close.

>>382872436
Dota is actually really well designed game (so much so that it basically made its own genre of copycats), combined with competent devs and balancing (which others don't have), its no wonder that it is one of the top dogs in terms of esports. The major detractor from it however is how toxic it is to play with others, which isnt really a concern for esports.

>>382873067
Not him
I guess the difference is that you don't need good hand/eye coordination or quick decision making or large scale coordination in cooking
It's really quite amazing how fast some fps players are, or how top tier rts players keep track of a dozen locations at once

I'll be so happy when esports dies. Many we'll finally get multiplayer games designed to be fun and not cancer.

>>382871990
It's completely subjective to what you like. Fighting games, MOBAs, shooters, etc.

>>382868902
Killing single player mode.
Being able to play casually online is not possible anymore since people take the game way too seriously.

>>382873272
There are good single player games out there. Just a lot more multiplayer games since they can make more money with an active community.

>>382873180
>dota
>well designed
What
It's a complete patchwork monstrosity that runs on broken hopes and dreams
At least until volvo started to unfuck the mess with the last few patches, which everyone hated
It's a fun game, but well-designed would be the last thing I'd call it

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>>382867056
Why is everyone here so afraid of being called shills that OPs can't even post links to article in threads about articles?

>>382873180
>combined with competent devs and balancing (which others don't have),
I'm convinced Icefrog is actually not human.

>>382868912
NiP had a dota team for a little while. fucking Synderen was on it if memory serve

>>382871302
Honest question: Do you watch sports?

>>382873272
What games are you playing?
I'm not familiar with games like csgo but I've put in thousands of hours into league and a few hundred into overwatch and you can play very casual games in unranked, what exactly isn't it doing for you?
As for taking games seriously recently I remember me and my friends getting extremely competitive about games back when we were kids and spending hours looking for strategies to beat each other when we went to their houses. I don't really see how it's changed all that much.

>>382869486
Nah. BLizzard doing the same retardation as with SC2, ie toss money and expect competition to pop up even if the game is not amenable.


It's not complex. If the game is good and somewhat balanced, you'll get tournaments

>>382871468
In case you missed it he dropped Incontrol a few months back

Literally cutting the fat

>>382869184

>I haven't played an FPS for more than an hour since CS 1.6 and even I could tell this game was going to be trash from the beta

Then why the fuck do you care?

So how did Blizzard fuck Starcraft up?

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>>382873067
Chess is a sport, so riddle me that. And afaik, so is Poker.

>>382873067

>how come things like drawing or cooking aren't sports?

Who says they aren't? Anything can be a sport as long as it's organized in a competitive manner.

>>382868902
/v/ sucks at vidya, so they get triggered by the idea that people can dedicate time into this to get rich and famous. This is why you got a bunch of lame excuses.

>>382868902
>triggered
What is it about me expressing my distaste for esports that has you projecting this hard?

>>382873067
>he hasn't seen those competitive cooking shows

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>>382873067
For anything to be a sport it needs to be competitive and have people interested it in, that's why you see so many small sports that are weird and wacky but a lot of people do it and compete so the community grew until there were leagues and stuff, everything it needs is interest and money behind it to be noticed as a sport.

If there were interested in drawings competitions and cooking showdowns and there were community behinds them with tournaments, sure there would be those kind of sports and they would be on espn along with their spelling bee contests.

>>382873867
SC2 is too prone to just deathballing due to no limitations on control group.

COmpared to broodwar, anybody who played the game knows that moving a large zergling army is good piano practice, and so seeing pros do it apparently easily is impressive. Broodwar unit are also more ''''balanced'''' not in the sense of game balance, but more the fact that there are fewer very hard counters. Things like Marine/lots/lings all being able to beat each other depending on micro/upgrades/numbers is better than my immortal kill your marauders you lose

>>382869752
It's hilarious because like 5% of the pro players in most e-sports are fat and at least 30% are fit, the rest are skinny korean fuckbois

>>382867056
So, since LoL esports is still going strong, does this mean that Blizzard is out of their League of Legends?

>>382867056
no its just bad games are dying

>>382874337
So sport is just synonymous with competition?

>>382874521
No, it needs to.

>Be a game or physical activity
>Be competitive
>Require and improve skill between players
>Provide entertainment to spectators

All of those are check, the debate begins with the physical activity argument.

Overwatch "Esports" is the most propped up thing in the world

"Please buy a team for $5 million Mr. Kraft, It's surely a worthwhile investment!"

Blizzard is willing to set all of esports back 5 years so they can make a quick buck

>>382874280
Nice deflection

Also Monte BTFO

Kind of think overwatch's main issue, is the actual game's stability. The amount of bugs and internal interpolation delay cripple it currently. You can't play it, even on a VPN, for more than about 20 minutes before the packets start failing.

>overwatch esports is dying
>paladins esports slowly becoming larger and larger with much smaller prize pools
huh

>>382875130
Grassroots Esports >>>>>> Shitty propped up corporate Esports

>>382875130
Yeah its comp scene has increased by about 100% in the last month
There's two teams now

>>382875343
Still two more teams than Overwatch will have in the next month :^)

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>>382867056
>competitive overwatch

>>382867056
>esports are dying
thank fuck

>>382875501
The only teams that are dropping out are shitters with zero results. Everyone else is sticking around.

>>382872687
>league of legends
kys

>>382867056
is blizzard not flooding enough money into overwatch?

Blizzard can't into esports for shit. We've known this for decades now.

The main problem with comp overwatch is that it's almost always a mirror matchup. The meta is so cut and dry that when there's 1 flex pick everyone goes nuts. Junkrat was picked once on offense Dorado for only 2/3rds of the map and it was huge news. Blizzard can't balance a game where more than 1/3rd of the cast is viable.

>>382867056
>esports are dying

Oh I hope.
That could mean fighting games can be designed with the idea of being fun first again.

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>>382874964
>Nice deflection
There you go again with the projecting.

>>382876547
Viewership is small compared to popular e-sports
No revenue on the game, no team icons, sprays or skins
Team slots for 5 years cost 20 millions

Investors and orgs just don't want to take that big of a risk on such a new e-sport

>>382876831
>again

>>382871990

brood war and fighting games

Overwatch esport dying because instant gratification kids can't watch the same game for few months, hell eve years. And blizz listens too ducking mutch to the community on balance issues because they want all the players and those include the casuaö noobs

Take real sports for an example, they have been the same for decades and they are still intersting.

>>382873067
>implying Iron Chef isn't the pinnacle of competition, skill, glory and entertainment

>>382873991
Ok, and are the other things I listed sports? How come no?

>>382876907
>(you)

>>382877503
hello mr "there are only two people on this site me and you"

>>382874319
>>382876975
Whoah whoah whoah, I ain't dissing cooking competitions you fools. That shit is great. But I don't think anybody considers that sports, and in these convos I just wanna know if how vidya can be considered sports, then stuff like that can't.

>>382877598
>how vidya can be considered sports
but it isnt and no one is even acting like its sport

>>382869030

ONLY COMMENT WORTH READING IN THE ENTIRE THREAD SO LET ME SPAM IT A BUNCH

No. Blizzard's shitty casualized cash grabs with artificially manufactured e-sports scenes are dying.

CSGO is thriving. LoL is thriving. DotA is thriving.

No. Blizzard's shitty casualized cash grabs with artificially manufactured e-sports scenes are dying.

CSGO is thriving. LoL is thriving. DotA is thriving.
>No. Blizzard's shitty casualized cash grabs with artificially manufactured e-sports scenes are dying.

CSGO is thriving. LoL is thriving. DotA is thriving.

>No. Blizzard's shitty casualized cash grabs with artificially manufactured e-sports scenes are dying.

CSGO is thriving. LoL is thriving. DotA is thriving.

>No. Blizzard's shitty casualized cash grabs with artificially manufactured e-sports scenes are dying.

CSGO is thriving. LoL is thriving. DotA is thriving.

No. Blizzard's shitty casualized cash grabs with artificially manufactured e-sports scenes are dying.

CSGO is thriving. LoL is thriving. DotA is thriving.

>>382868902
The irony of being a blizzdrone, amazing.

>>382877576
Hi.

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>>382867056
Overwatch is too shallow, and every match is too similar to each other to maintain viewer interest. Meanwhile, games like Dota constantly have pros thinking up of new builds and strategies, and plenty of room to make good plays.

>>382867056
good riddance

>>382867056

overwatch is shit

that is the problem

league is trash too, csgo is meh

fuck eat sports

Tried watching some OW competition, it was pretty boring.
It doesn't help that everyone picks the same heroes since like 8 heroes are viable to play.

>>382867056
>competitive overwatch
lmao

>>382878473
>fuck eat sports
/fit/ is that you

>Hey everyone, Overwatch is the future of esports!
>What do you mean you don't believe us? We have merchandise for the Overwatch league, prize money, and arenas!
>We even charge a 20 million buy-in fee! That means we're big and profitable!
>See? See!?

>>382877717
>no one is acting like its sport
Get out of your eggshell man, a lot of fucking idiots are. If there weren't then why does this conversation even gets brought up a lot

>>382878806

You got it wrong. It's "fuck, eat, sports"

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>>382867056
>competitive overwatch

>>382874964
>Also Monte BTFO

Thank fuck. That fucking manchild needs to get BTFO. Might make him take his fedora off

>Players on overwatch wanted CSGO level salaries because E-league went all in.

Faggots.

>>382869546

By making it more skill-based. Like Quake or CS. A good aim can win you bad situation.

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>>382867056
Good. E-sports are genre-killing cancer.

>>382867056
>competitive overwatch
Find the stranger.

>>382867998
>gachapon
n-no blizzard can balance games

http://archive.is/y3cBW

Evil Geniuses, the big esports organisation with teams in most big competitive games, has announced that it’s disbanding its Overwatch squad.
The company said the decision came after “a dialogue”, and added that synergy between players hasn’t been where it needed to be in order for the team to continue.
Evil Geniuses also noted that although it does not currently have any Overwatch teams, this is not the end for their interest in competitive Overwatch. “We will be looking on to how the scene continues to develop,” the team wrote.
The team showed solid performance in online tournaments, but actually didn’t do well in the Contenders open qualifiers. This is perhaps the bigger reason for the move, but there’s also the uncertainty about professional Overwatch that pushed several other teams recently to drop support for the game.
So far, other big names like Fnatic, Splyce, Team Dignitas, and even Ninjas in Pyjamas have all disbanded their Overwatch teams. Since its reveal, the Overwatch League was criticised for reportedly having unrealistic entry fees, a sticking point that Blizzard denied in May.
If more and more teams continue to take a step back from competitive Overwatch, Blizzard’s plans for the game’s pro league may not be off to the best start.

Do americans still comment e-sport with embarassing babytalk apes that yell at each kill?
Sorry but this will never sell that shit.
Also Overwatch fails because you can't get a global view of what's going on, unlikes moba and RTS that can just show the minimap. Splatoon also got that right.

>>382879461
Someone redpill me on NiP
I know extremely little about even though I see their logo everywhere

My little brother came home with Overwatch the other day and had been playing it for a little bit so I said fug it and tried a few matches myself.

So far I'm only getting enjoyment from Zenyatta/healer types. Every other character makes me want to rage quit with how poor their control schemes are.

Also you can tell some of the players (the cowboy, the punisher dude and the flying rocket launcher chick) are OP and cheese tf out of a game....

Also, I noticed the match ups are misleading. I'm level 15 and my team was full of low level players and we got pitted against guys in their 80s, 90s and a level 100 with stars and leaf clusters and wreathes on their names, and we got scrubbed pretty hard, then it happened like three more times in a row.

Overall it's kind of a fun game. Kinda shitty sometimes. Zenyatta is a fun character to be.

>>382879461

overwatch is dead.

it's literally tf2, boring edition.

>>382879817
>I only get enjoyment from being a beta

At least play a tank and have your family be somewhat proud

>>382867056
>OW
>caters to casuals
>surprised the e-sport scene is dying

Also this >>382878429
Imagine if OW had same hero pick rules as lol/dota.
OW's main flaw is that pretty much every game is exactly the same meta team composition.
Now imagine if it were like what stunt VP pulled on the last dota major. They used a unique hero lineup every single game except the tournament difining final one. Shit was hype as fuck.

>>382879817
Zenyatta best doto so good taste
On higher ranks the game is actually mostly about teamplay, so for example cowboy is considered underpowered because he doesn't synergize well enough with others, and because Soldier is a better him

Are you playing quickplay? It uses a pretty loose matchmaking system, but it's invisible. Levels are rather irrelevant, people can be shitters with hundreds of levels above you- I have been playing against level 500+ people with about 100 because I know how to aim and not to be retarded

>>382879751
They played CS 1.6
When CSGO came out they dominated for like a year and a half and their brand blew up.
Here is where they turned their team into an organisation and they signed some teams in other games.

>>382871990
Starcraft is mad fun to watch (both 1 and 2 even if I like 1 more).

Thank fucking god, PLEASE end this shit so we can fucking go back to video games being fucking normal again.

>>382868312
Blizzard did the same exact thing with OW. They also did the same exact thing with Hearthstone and HotS. Look what happened to those games.

>>382880081
Tank is misleading as the only viable tank options are a butch dyke with a Lazer gun and a twink posing as a woman in a mech suit. The knight seems like he got nerfed and the fat ass has no attacking capability

I'll just stick to Zenyatta...I actually average more kills with him than the actual attack characters. In fact Zen is very misleading bc he is a strong attacker with healing powers.

Thinking about trying out the bow guy cuz he seems pretty good.

>>382880448
actually the only viable tank is reinhardt

the rest are joke characters like winston and roadhog and zarya and dva only work well as off-tanks

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the only esport that matters

who cares and gay

>>382870485
CSGO has million dollar prizepool tournaments three times a year, and countless smaller tournaments every month in every region of the world

It is 100% thriving and growing rapidly

>>382879546
>splatoon
stopped reading there.

>>382880573
Fuck you S2 for throwing away that game by making shit decisions

>Dota 2 has a 20 mil+ prize pool
>OW dies because its a shallow shooter like lots of anons predicted
>F-finally esports is d-dead!

>>382880561
Zarya is good because idiots can't not hit your bubbles so they boost you up.
But I just don't like her gun and that's a shame.
Winston can be okay but Reaper just shits on him real hard and lately there's one in most games.

>>382880573
god I miss that fucking game so much

DotA2 at double the speed, what's not to love?

>>382880667
>making the game cost 30$ , giving you everything in the game instead of going some gay little kid " free to play, pay for heroes " platform is a bad decision

I'm not saying it wasn't a bad decision. It was.

>>382873083
>>boring ass game to watch
then explain Dota 2 and CS:GO. why the fuck are they so popular?

The meta is static as fuck,even in the height of rubberband dota we still see people trying to pick creative shit like support alch,carry skywrath etc
From what i see the team comp for overwatch is basically the same for most match,and its worse than dota since you cant ban heroes

>>382867056
>>382867150
>>382867195
>>382867230
No one cares about esports. I knee they were a joke to try to be so big. That G4 show was probably the biggest they should have gotten.

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Guess which one got the most registration

>>382880867

>Esports growing all the time
>Anons on v just shut their ears and scream ESPORTS ARE DYING ESPORTS DONT MATTER

Youre a fucking retard

>>382867562

lol'd

yeah exactly. I pity assholes who call this game competetive.

>all these autistic fatfucks assblasted because esports are a thing and will probably keep growing
Fucking jej, I hope you guys don't watch SGDQ.

>>382880962
SF because it's cheaper ?

>>382880794
They fucked up twice with their business model
First they went buy2play after a hugely successful open beta, losing a massive chunk of their playerbase, while LoL release was right around the corner
Then, when they saw how they fucked up, they adapted LoLs gay f2p buy2hero model with early fucking access heroes, while the dota2 release was right around the corner
They eventually adapted doto2s model but it was already way too late

>>382881000
Talk to me when esports get equal time as actual sports, sweetie.

Do casuals even watch esports?

The only event I can think of that would be interesting to them is EVO because even if you don't know how the games work, watching one cunt kick another cunt's ass is entertaining.

>>382871468
>What will this mastermind do next?
Drop KBrad because he isn't getting any results.

>>382881021
Sf has 40 entries
Overkek have 9 teams
Dota 2 have 43 teams

>>382881220
Um Sweetie the first dota 2 international had more viewers than the same years superbowl.

>>382881304
Im pretty sure all of the big three get more viewers than the superbowl

>>382879205

bitter old man who was never good nor ambitious at any game. cancer is what you will get soon.

>>382880842
CS:GO is really good to watch if you care a little. It's got this perfect building tension to a climax flow to it and there's the long-term evolution of the state of the game to keep your head in it as well.

It's basically motor racing.

>>382881304
>compare internet botted views to a national minor event nobody cares about
kek

>>382881254
They're the majority of watchers, because they're for the most part the ones who resort to watching others play video games to improve. Between jobs and potentially starting families and school and shit, they spend free time watching the video games be played by "pros" then proceed to attempt to use this knowledge in games over the course of weekends or so.

>>382880630
Truth hurts too hard, hu?

>>382881304
Yeah, that's why I hear everyone talk about dota 2 instead of football. Oh... wait a minute.

>>382881254
Spectator demographics are moving towards the majority not actually playing the game

>>382867056

ow was never a competetive game

/thread

>>382869304
Why are you arguing with him? /v/ is made up of children that weren't even alive when counter-strike was created...

>make a shitty casual game
>try to make it an esport
>it fails

HMM, I WONDER WHY?

>>382880962

Doto because it's russia?

>>382881826
this

>>382881826
>>make a shitty casual game
>What is rocket league?

>>382881484
You don't understand, you are the cancer. E-sports kills genres because everyone wants to make the next DOTA2 or LOL, even though ASSFAGGOTS players only care about DOTA, Starcraft and Overwatch. It's an extremely limited market and for every winner there will be a hundred games that lose so bad that their studio gets shut down. We might still be playing Command and Conquer games if it wasn't for Mobashit.

>>382872417
Those... don't sound like friends to me.

>>382881829
Isn't that Malaysian ringgit?

The Orange sponsorship also suggests that.

>>382881928

You don't understand, you are the cancer. Now kill yourself already you miserable fuck.

>>382869752
>12 year old virgins
What are you implying?

>>382881220
Several esports have eclipsed the NHL for earning and views.

REMOVE HERO LIMITS IN COMPETITIVE PLAY

>>382881220
>ESPORTS ARE DEAD

>ESPORTS ARENT AS POPULAR AS REAL SPORTS

not at all fucking comparable

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>>382880363
sadly this

SC2 scene dying for various reasons and LoL becoming bottled lightning that everybody wanted a piece of ended up killing the chance for "esports" to ever gain any social reputability. Corporate sponsors can't into cool and they tried to force esports to be the latest greatest thing just like before instead of letting the hype build on it's own. How could any normal person watch the average esports event and not think it's awkward garbage?
>Brute forcing an "esports" scene for a game that's boring to watch
>99% of casters are boring don't have organic back and forth like tastosis and jon
>Mandate teams to wear unflattering sponsorship jerseys that compound their already generally ugly appearance
>Team handlers don't even bother trying to beautify their players so they aren't hideous
>Put them on a stage where video feed is fed to TV and streams globally, awkward celebration ceremonies, people tune in for a minute and laugh so the image becomes a joke
>GAME hits upper user limit, viewership falls, profits fall, unstable money flow, lower prize pools
>esports remains an all too visible joke in the west for yet another decade after corporate takes a big shit all over the industry again

Then you have mega-kikes like blizzard who would seek to bilk even their own monopolized esports scenes because they apparently haven't made enough money from their gorillion months worth of WoW sub shekels.

>>382881254
Ive met a shitton of people who watch esports but don't play or own the game.

>>382880842
Lemme preface this by saying yeah I know CS has been around a lot but that was 1.6 and Source. GO was pretty dead until skins and gambling came around. Then Valve let it go on for years until they decided to try and do something about it, long after it already affected the game's popularity, viewership, money, etc.

>>382881254
the more popular the game in terms of #eSports the more viewers don't actually play

#eSports is like metal for older generations, parents don't understand, hip, by watching you are part of a community

>>382882010
no u

>>382882083
>NHL

>The average hockey team is now worth $240 million
>Team Value1. $408 mil. Montreal Canadiens are owned by Molson Family, who bought them in 2009 for $575 mil

>>382881304
>The average NFL team is worth $2.34 billion

>>382881972
They're not. The term "friend" has been severely inflated since the facebook era began. Those sound more like acquaintances.

>>382873867
Micro is not as effective, army composition is always more important than who plays it better. People who watch starcraft watch it for the micro, because they've been watching it for the micro for years, and when a player 2 plays out of his mind in a fight, maneuvers perfectly, and picks off key units, only to still get wiped and lose his base because player 1 just had a better army composition, it's not very exciting to watch.

>>382872225
But all of the biggest eSport games over the past twenty plus years have been some of the shittiest.

>>382883042
>>382882213

You guys are onto something.

Overall I feel the csgo scene has matured decently, at least. But yeah, generally I agree.

>>382867056
>Overwatch is 20% skill
>80% randomness

>CS:GO is 80% skill
>20% randomness


WELL NO SHIT.

>competitive overwatch

fucking lol

>>382867150
>>382867195
Nobody cares about SC2 and overwatch. CSGO, Dota2 and League of legends are all growing.

>>382881901
t. bronze shitter

>>382882083
>american cableTV data vs global internet stream views
You are just embarassing yourself, shill

>Blizzard tries to make SC2 and OW competitive scene become a big thing
>Fails miserably because they are not entertaining to watch
>Nintendo has a huge melee scene in front of their face
>Tries to push Splatoon and doesn't even attempt to support the scene of their actual e-sport games

A retard thinking his piece of garbage is gold and another retard thinking his piece of gold is garbage

>>382883323
>Overwatch is 20% skill
>80% randomness

Wrong

>>382867215
>beleving whatever shit comes out of Blizzards asshole mouths
kek
i bet you also believed WoW still has 1 million players

its not esports only Overwatch
its an unbalanced TURD
prove me wrong
lmao resurrect all team to full hp with the click of a button instantly
nice balance

>blatant aimbots in serious tournaments and high elo matches
>horrid balance
>fps and strategical aspects of the game are overshadowed by character skills and ultimates
Good job Blizzard. All you had to do was TF2 with waifus yet you fucked up.

>>382867056
good fucking riddance

>>382867714
got eem

>>382867056
good

fuck drugged people

>>382878429
pretty much this exactly

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>>382869184
Not him but....Hello Re....

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Hey guys remember this?
It actually has graphics and the newest character added is a cyborn/ninja with a sniper
Join the community and become mlg
Please

Blizzard just can't make hype. Riot pumps like 10 teasers and have tons of online articles and stuff to make hype for tournaments.

>>382867056
Overwatch is a joke that isn't even competetive enough for regular play

>>382883730
there's less skill in reality, but it made for a better symmetry that way

>>382883730
So you think either:
>Overwatch is MORE skill than randomness
>Overwatch is LESS skill than randomness

A refutation without an assertion is useless, stop wasting everyone's time.

>>382868014
it fails as an esport because it's not about skill, it's about making everyone "feel" "awesome"

>>382868014

>Any other E-Sport:
>A highly skilled player can carry their team and win the entire game IF they are good enough

>Overwatch
>Highly coordinated, if you have 1 shitty player you can lose through no fault of your own.

Teamwork is bullshit. Make the meta 4 DPS, 1 Tank, 1 Support

>>382884880
If you think OW is 80% randomness then you just don't know the definition of random

>>382885115
Again, you attempt to make an argument without any evidence, reasoning, or logic. You simply state. Stop wasting everyone's time.

>>382867056
>overwatch team drops out
so? game is shit, money is league and dota.

>>382885198
Any claim made without evidence can be refuted without evidence.

>>382867056

Good. I seriously hope esports die.

>>382881304

Kek, so how much does a 30-second ad cost at the big Dota 2 International event?

>>382871990
Quake desu

>>382867514
So is this because blizzard wanted a $20 million franchise fee

>>382885105
>>Highly coordinated, if you have 1 shitty player you can lose through no fault of your own.
Same shit with hots, it seems nublizz just can't into competitive games.

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This is surley Battle borns time to shine.

>>382867562
So when the other team does the same thing, then what?

>>382871536

Read what I just said

You think we actually care about the FGC, their choices are shit

I get money from overwatch as a spectacle or whatever you call it since it rustles some Jimmie to say E sport. I like to see it grow and don't understand outright hostility toward this experience from Ppl who come you a video board. Also stop supporting the "sports" scene too. It's even more cancerous.

>>382885198
He is clearly saying Overwatch is not 80% random but much less random, quit being such an edgy fuck about it.

>>382867056
>Blizzard's attempts at esports are dying
Fixed.

>>382885931
>as a spectacle
>first person view
yeah, no.

>>382867562
Pretty much

>>382886031
Hearthstone is doing fine. People really like watching flashy effects competitive cointossing.

>>382886096
First person view is so much better than all the other attempts people have used for covering fps games.

>>382867056
The reason why Overwatch esports will never be successful is because of how Overwatch works. Overwatch is a first person shooter BUT with different heroes. This means nobody can carry the team and you need team synergy. In CS it is easy to enjoy the game because every "hero" is a dps. As soon as the teams see each other the action begins. In Overwatch tanks and healers are destroying the competitive mentality and are boring to watch.

If you ask why is LoL so successful: LoL is NOT 3d, it is 2,5d. Also the viewing of the game is much easier because you have a comfy watch angle. In Overwatch there are always things which block your view.

>>382867056
Who knew people didn't want to watch gooks win for the 14th time?

esports needs to die

having tournaments here and there is fine, but trying to turn it into some big spectator event with professional teams and all the corporate type shit that goes along with that is pure cancer

also it's boring as fuck to watch

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>>382867056
>e""""""""""sports""""""""

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>>382886031
>Forgetting Blizzard's MASSIVE push to try and force WoW Arena pvp into E-sports

3rd times the charm?

>>382867056
They still play Brood War though, this is why Blizzard are in panic mode because they fucked up Starcraft Multiplayer and wanted all the e-sport glory for themselves, now they are making a remastered version of Starcraft

>>382886810
It was the largest esport in the world for a while but they killed it.

>>382888196
counter-strike was still a thing when arena happened
and arena had the same problem every blizzard game has, shit balance

>>382888294
Bli$$ard removed the spectating client so that they would be the only ones able to throw tournaments, that's what killed it. WoW arena was much larger than CS at the time.

>all these stupid retards with their walls of text game design expert posts
It's failing because Blizz wants to make their own MLG and everyone is telling them to fuck off, you clueless fucking morons.

>>382867636
Not enough buzzwords
>>382880392
>Look what happened to those games.
huge successes?

>>382889156
This, also blizzards is telling others to fuck off as well since spectating in their games is always a hassle.

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>>382886810
For some reason leveling in WoW is always the most entertaining, seems like so much more fun than late-game content (although that can be fun too).
Sadly my friends haven't played since WOTLK so there's no point. Although low level dungeons, especially after they upgraded the loot something fierce, were a real hootenanny.

>>382867056
How is this having an impact on e-sports? It just means there will be new people replacing the spot left from these guys.

>>382867636
Yeah I just wanted to post exactly this.

Reminder to be skeptical of any game pretending to be esports

>/v/ hates esports
>but will constantly jerk off quack and gookclick as the pinnacle of gaming
REALLLLLLLY
MAKES
MY
MIND
FUNCTION

>>382867056

It's finally sinking in how shitty esports is as a career

>>382867056
>rocket league has a bigger presence in esports than overwatch
K E K

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>>382867056
halo had more viewers than overwatch lmao, this was obvious form the begining

>>382890657
It's almost as if there's more than one person posting on /v/

>>382883497
Sad. At least with DotA2 and LoL. Games I like or see as excellent arenas for player competitive arenas are not popular.

>>382883680
Should Blizzard's next game be a Smash clone?

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>>382880867
I don't think e-sports belong to usa at all, it's asian and european thing, you just take big american shits over anything and ruin it.

Thank God esport is something that ruin everything and no one really wanted.

>>382867215

Blizz content updates are too slow

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>>382881018
also they don't understand at all that e-sports are a constant rollercoaster ride, SC2 was dead to normies and massies after the first expansion

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>>382890657
>/v/ is full of hypocrites

>>382867056
>competitive overwatch

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>>382867056
That's what happens when you manufacture a game to be an e-sport instead of letting the love for the game turn it into an e-sport

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>>382867056
Good.
eSports are a cancer.

>>382881018
>SGDQ
>esports

>>382880573
No eSport game matters.
In fact, all eSport bait games are objectively bad videogames.