Can video games be art?

>>382856451
Anything can be art if you think about it

If you think something is art, it's art.

Can football be art?

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/for_artfags_only/

>>382856708
Go watch the comeback to last year's superbowl and tell me that isn't art

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>>382856451
occasionally

>>382856930
get out Chad

>>382856451
Why anyone would say it's not art? It's a creative medium, so I'd assume it is. What's the difference between art and what video games are?

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>>382857054
Is this art?

Art is anything you want it to be. It's a completely subjective concept.

>>382857120
Yea, I guess so. Is it not?

>pretty graphics = art
That's not what art is, you fucking idiots.

>>382857281
Why not?

>>382856451
Absolutely. Generally the only people who think otherwise are people with complexes against the idea the naive. GENERALLY.

>>382857281
Well then please tell us the objective definition of art.

>>382857281
>UI artist
>environmental artist
>3D artist
>vfx artist

Sure, don't see a good reason why it can't. The only argument people give is that it's not exactly like one of the other mediums currently accepted as art, which is silly.

"Art" is an empty word and means nothing.

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>>382857328
Because then games like x-files would be ART because real actor videos.

art is only art because we say it is

given the type of people are trusted with determining what art is these days, i wouldn't worry about it, it's a dead word

but for the record no, they're not really art

>>382857870
I asked you what's the definition of art.

>>382857870
Sure why not?

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>>382856451
No video games can never be art just experiences.

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>>382856451
>Can [thing] be considered [nebulous term that i'm not gonna bother to define]?

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>>382856663
fuck you and fuck people like you

>>382858634
source?

>>382857970
A combination of various things. Not just pure graphics.

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>>382858743
Boku no Pico

>>382858678
I like this desu
Still wouldn't pay a cent to see it.

>>382858743
Ore Monogatari

>>382858678
I want to go there and rip it off. I would do it.
If they would ask me to pay it I would get a paper and draw that.

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Its not and it never will be. Not while it mainly consists of man children and the lowest common denominator .

>>382856451
Art is that which is praised to the level of the most esteemed, so yes, they can be art. I consider some games art.

>>382856930
It's not art. It's a game.

>>382859082
Just pay a hooker to do it, with a shit fetish like that you obviously have no self respect.

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Video Games can never be art

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>>382857281
>>382860864
>I like defining what art is, and what art isnt.

>>382858678
>>382859126
teenagers? or just STEM?

>>382856451
No. It's involved too much commerce, too much doing what fans want, too much doing what will sell, that's not art. I think games can be art but most of the time it is not.

>>382861482
>I think games can be art but most of the time it is not.
then that's not a "No" that's a "sometimes"

>>382861407
Everyone can define art however they want.
In my definition, music isn't art because non-human animals can produce it.

>>382861545
Very rarely when the developers are given power to do what they want and they have a vision.

the complexity of expression is not so far enunciated as to the legal profession of artistry in video games

>>382861634
so we would agree that Dear Esther, Journey, ...Gone to the Rapture, etc. are the art? not the Personas and whatnot

>>382861592
I define you as retarded

>>382856451
The word you're looking for is art form. Vidyas is an art form. Just like how movies is an art form doesn't necessarily means all movies are "art" worthy.

>>382861832
yeah that's a good point, "Art Form" means it's a form for creating Art, not that everything is Art within it.

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>>382856451
occasionally

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Can art be videogames?

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>>382857281
What The Fuck Is This Shit

>>382862230
Yes, but they'll be poor examples of video games.
Just like video games are poor examples of art.

>>382861803
I might as well be, trying to explain things to brainlets

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>>382856451
>Art is a diverse range of human activities in creating visual, auditory or performing artifacts (artworks), expressing the author's imaginative or technical skill, intended to be appreciated for their beauty or emotional power.

Sure

>>382862120

>a star in the middle of the moon

this triggers me

All video games are art
All video games can be good art
No video games are good art

>>382863362
the moon is really far away and the star is really close

the complexity of expression is not verbose enough to legitimize the connection between artistic expression and video games

painting on a canvas comes with an easel and paint, the canvas is bare; white and empty. art is this abstraction, in creating something you are taking away. with video games, creating something is additive, there is no removal of content in video games, all textures, modeling and mechanics are additive, unlike the easel which has very little paint left, or the canvas which has gone from empty to full, video games are completely alone in the design that they are completely positive apropos a charge.

>>382863362
does it take place on earth?

>>382863973
>this is what art college faggots think

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>>382856451
If you want. If you have fun or get any satisfaction from them that already makes them worthy of the same praise as art.

I feel like people only want games to be seen as art so the hobby looks less childish. The thing though is that the gaming market is bigger then ever, for better or for worse. In say, 50 years, I think videogames will be seen as respectable as music or film. People in their 30's today play videogames, and they're not going to stop either.

>>382863825
This wouldn't make sense since stars are fuck huge and moons are smol.

>>382863973
What you just said makes no sense whatsoever. Please kill yourself, not just for that post but for being a namefag.

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>>382864338
can you put into words why video games are or are not art?

It's extraordinarily difficult, it's like trying to explain the sum of all God's commandments within a single sermon, there just isn't enough time or resources. Artistic expression is only a couple ten thousand years old, and language came along with it. Being able to validate a concern of art and doing that with the principle of expression in mind is insurmountable. Is it not art because the medium is bad? Punk is a medium of art and its all bad, it's supposed to be bad. Is it not art because it comes from a machine? Many other art forms do that, but video games are singular in the design that they come with everything already made, it's creating the content afterwards that makes them unique. Engines, models and textures, all of these things are for the most part already composed. Portal was designed from the ground up using the Source Engine and part of the reason the game took so long to develop was due to collision detection and tons of experimenting with them. Are video games not art because they're not free forms of expression? That doesn't make sense either.

>>382858678
That is actually art, I don't see the problem.
What is and what isn't art is pretty subjective. Nothing really to get autismal about.

Art is only worth what you want to pay for it

>>382862928
Anon, you are the brainlet.

I would rather kill myself than accept video games as art

>>382861758
The exact opposite actually

>>382867570
#notmymedium

>>382858678
Doesn't mean it's good art.

>>382863973
>>382864852
Disregard me, I suck cocks.

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Yes

>>382867793
i would if people would stop pretending to not be gay while exclaiming that they are homosexuals, thus leaving me without any dicks to fucking suck

bisexuality is suffering

>>382860864
>is full of art
>isn't art

Whatever dude.

>>382856451
no

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the covers sure are

If it's thought provoking and an emotional investement, I think it can be art.

Art is any expression of the creator's emotions transferred into a tangible or consumable medium, so that others can experience it.

Video games are the product of the creator's emotions/vision that have been made into a tangible and even playable object, consumable by watching, interacting with, and listening to the content.

That doesn't mean it's good. There's just as much garbage art as there are masterpieces. But it's art, like it or not.

>>382856451
Yes, occasionally. You need to hit a balance between aesthetics and storytelling, though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkiAy-H8k6o

As long as there is a distinct vision and message in the creators minds, games can be art, yes.
I'm talking about games such as Journey, Dear Esther, Riven: The Sequel to Myst, Amnesia, SOMA, Silent Hill 2, Dark Souls 1, Bloodborne, NieR: Automata, Morrowind, Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, Touhou Project, Limbo, Metro 2033, Portal, Shadow of the Colossus, ICO, and so on...