Draw your sword.

>>382851119
Why is this allowed? I wonder how many people dropped this game at this point and literally never played it again.

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>>382851119
The re-translation for the PsP version is much more faithful to the spirit of the original Japanese script.

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>>382851119
>sword
Heh, kid. You've already lost.

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>>382851571

>>382851512
>those fat stretched out sprites
ew

>>382851260

There's, at minimum, 3 maybe 4 battles in the game like this.

>>382851119

his second form is fuck shit

nukes everyone

the demons nuke too

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>that one battle in the library with low ceilings so your dragoons can't jump

>>382851119
draw these nuts b*tch

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>>382852921

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>implying Velius fight wasn't goat

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>>382851119

How did you guys beat Weigraf? I took my brothers advice and kited him while yelling at myself so I had 30 turns before he could take one. I think I also dual weilded Excaliburs too.

>>382853812
Two-hand monk

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can you do it?

>>382854349
Depends. What's Ramza's loadout?

>>382854657
Time Magic and Summoning

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>>382854805

>>382853812

Two handed monk and chakra, with some grinded levels. I got floored by him the first time through, had to restart the whole game. Glad I did, though, as my party was shit my first time through the game

>>382854349

So long as I didn't fuck my saves up, yeah

>>382853812

I went with monk the first time I got fucked by Wiegraf; I was like, 14/15 when the game came out though so I have no idea what or how I did it. I remember wave punching him or something a lot?

>>382851119
Chameleon Robe
Autopotion

He isn't much of a speedbump if you know what is coming, but that save prompt is the worst possible thing they could have done

"Hey kid the next fight is going to be pretty hard you should probably save"
"oh haha you wanted to go buy some more potions well too bad fucker, draw your sword"

>>382851119
Two/shotted him like a bitch with a non-overlelled Dragoon via Jump. Anyone having problems with vanilla FFT is a fucking brain-dead mongoloid, who cannot into SRPGs. The only way to make this trash game challenging is to install the 1.3 mod that introduces level-scaling, since the game allows unlimited grinding without consequences.

I wanna replay FFT, but I don't want to grind. What are some good classes to use with minimal grinding? I was thinking about some basic stuff like knight, white mage, monk. How are archers?

>>382852921
Fuck that piece of shit library, I always cheese it with calculators.

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>>382855650
>What are some good classes to use with minimal grinding?
Just use the overpowered unique units like Agrias, Mustadio, and TG Cid.

>>382855650
Archers are fucking lame. Get a good gun and run a chemist, you'll be far far superior. Not that chemist is exactly amazing, but archers are just that bad.

>>382855650
>>382855846
You can honestly steamroll through the game with just Orlandeau.

>>382855846
I also want to use generics.

>>382855894
I'll try chemist.

>>382855586
>Two/shotted him like a bitch with a non-overlelled Dragoon via Jump
I tried this and he always just moved before jump landed, then once he got close to me it was pretty much over. Was I just under-leveled? I had to abuse yell to get past this section

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>>382855586

This fight really wasn't hard. Now the rooftop was actually a bullshit save point if you didn't have enough speed to stop that bitch from killing herself.

>>382853812
I stole his sword.

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>>382855650
archers are ass
monk with dual swords or ninja with martial arts have really good damage with zero gear needed
Pretty much every mage class are really strong too since you can take your guest party members items to get a lot of +magic power really early in the game so you end up killing everything in one hit until the end of the game and at that point you have all the broken heroes anyway

>>382856129
The main thing that makes archers bad is the charge time for all of their abilities that aren't basic attack. And there really aren't any noteworthy bows. And their stat growth isn't great either. Chemist can chuck potions and bust caps. If you're going for a basic ranged unit, I think you'll be content.

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>>382856375
You can just unequip all the armor on one of your units (to get the HP pool lower than Rafa's) and then the assassins will just attack that unit, since it's weakest

>>382852727
This is the only one with a normal preceding battle followed by a solo fight. At least with the Gafgarion fight, people could go back and level at the swamp, if you kept only one save, you were stuck making do with whatever Ramza had.

I had an absolute god-awful time here, I kept one save since I only had one PSX memory card and my Ramza was a mage. Had I not lucked out and had just enough JP for auto-potion, I probably would've had to restart.

>>382857285
I hated how weak mages felt at times. Taking double damage while charging was horrible when you had about a 4 square range to cast. Not to mention some spell charge speeds would literally take multiple turns to cast, and short charge would still mean targets would get one or two turns before you, so either your AoE attacks would hit one person or simply be an area denial attack. Or you casted the spell your ally and used them as a walking bomb against the enemy team.

>>382858794
I had dancing Ninjas at the time, so one of the Nameless Dance inflicted Stop on Gaff.

>>382851119
>get your shit pushed, ramza

>>382856072
Not really useful advice since he's an endgame recruit.

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I found this guy's 1v1 a lot harder

Mostly because it's so early in the game that you don't have any good abilities yet and have to rely on kiting and attrition

And even then it's basically RNG

>>382860005
literally just get a bow

>>382851732
I wish the gameplay was better in this game, the crafting is abhorrent and the end boss is retarded

>>382851732
is this game like fft with the job systems and shit?

>>382860880
FFT is basically Tactics Ogre with Chocobos

>>382860315
Crafting can be completely ignored. It pretty much has nothing to do with the gameplay.

Are ninjas objectively the best class? Followed by the samurai?"

>>382851119
That fight was hard but I still think the fight near the end where the Templar has the elemental casting gun and several 3-headed Dragons and the Chemist was much harder. Even with Orlandu and that other Holy Knight chick its hard to get out of that one without losing people.

>>382861505
Fucking people up with two swords is great, but using two hands on one sword is retarded.

HOW DO I BEAT DORTER SLUMS? CHARACTERS LITERALLY DIE IN ONE TURN

>>382860880

It's better

>>382861505
>samurai
> % chance to break the weapon they use

No thanks, I'll just stick with a Mathematician + white mage and Holy nuke everyone based on elevation.

>>382861680
Blade Grasp is why Samurai are OP.

>>382861729
5 squires isn't a good party

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>>382861729
>Dorter

>>382861827
I wish we could get TO threads/discussion like we do FFT.

>>382862803
TO threads only survive in /vr/.

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Embrace reality, motherfucker

>>382854973
>>382853108
more of these

I know for a goddamn fact that there is more

>>382853812
>yelling at myself
This is why I can't take this game seriously. Shit is like Dragonball level of ridiculous.

>>382861827
Bull, the job system is much much worse.

>>382853812
Overleveled monk. Just earth slashed him to death.

Anyone tried this Tactics Ogre mod yet? It was recently released

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/999440-tactics-ogre-let-us-cling-together/75379432

>>382851119
so I've never played this game properly but have it on my phone

Should I emulate a rom or is phone fine for it?
I like playing SRPGs on the train

>>382864307
Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I know there's an SNES LUCT mod that's supposed to be really good. I think it's only in Japanese though.

>>382853812
Wiegraf is easy as fuck if you smash his sword.
Now Vyce from Tactics Ogre chaos path is Dante must fucking die mode.

>>382862803
Law is best path.
Best allies to recruit, best story and a true story of redemption.

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>>382860005
Fucking Vyce.

I'll never forget the absolutely jarring moment on NG+ when this sadistic bloodthirsty fuckwad did a remorseful 180 and made a little pouty face when you wanted to butcher Galgastani more than him

>>382865331
I like it the most too. It feels more "canon" than the others.

>>382851732
No way fag

>>382857285
420~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>382851119
Nothing on /v/ makes me happier than people referencing this classic. Reminds me of the fun I had with a walk through book I had, and the hours and hours of joy I got from this game.

>>382851504
Underrated

>>382865331
Chaos has the better waifus, though.

>>382866249
Sherri and Ozma are on law tho

>>382851119
>Not even the most frustrating fight at Riovanes
>Forgetting the fight that can end before you even get a turn if Maka is a fucking retard

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>>382866249
Liking the 4 whores compared to glorious Dame Ravness?
You fool.

>>382865618
Neutral is worth it for the 4 sisters if you just want to make them op as shit.
But people only go neutral to see Vyce get hung by his own team for being a faggot.

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I feel so fucking mad and sad about this game.

I tried playing it 4 separate times in my life, and all of which both the story and the mechanics were too complicated for me. I fucking hate myself for this, because I don't fucking know how I just never got it. Like the game never clicked for me. I'm 35, have 2 separate Bachelor degrees, have always scored fairly high on trials in life... and yet I could not fully grasp this game's story nor do any good with the combat/game mechanics. I swear I'm not fucking stupid, but this game makes me feel as though I am.

Is there anyone else out there who feels this way? Better yet: anyone who DID feel this way, but overcame it? If so, how!? What did you do to make this game 'click' for you? I'll accept I'm just a dumb fuck if that's what it is, but damn.. I really, really want to finish (nay, 100%) this game and get the enjoyment I KNOW is there.

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>Objective: Protect NPC
>first round, NPC runs away to stand behind my dudes
>awesome, now I can focus on the enemies
>1 turn later he runs straight into the enemy leader, gets himself surrounded and is killed before my turn even comes up
>mfw

>>382858794
>mage
Oh, I'm playing FFT for the first time and was going to make my character a mage, is that a bad idea?

>>382867064
If you're serious, you should post what specifically confuses you. I can't imagine you are serious though.

i never really had much trouble with this game as a kid, but I guess it was because I was so keen to work towards making ramza a dual-wielding ninja that the classes preceding it (monk etc) were really powerful and made things much more manageable

>>382867114
>make my character a mage
Get used to never using the actual cool spells you want because they take too long.

>>382866905
I don't remember which sister it was, but the fight where you start at the bottom of a fortress and the map is basically a sheer cliff was rough on NG+. Enemies had all sorts of skills are were raining death down on me. Flying/teleport boots would've been helpful, but I didn't have anything like that at the time.

>>382867064
the story is complex, I'll let that slide cause I never paid too much attention anyway when I was younger. The mechanics aren't difficult at all though

>>382867240
What if I make all my the generic dudes super tanky guys so they can hold the enemy long enough for my actual cool spells to be cast?

>>382867181
I am dead serious. The last time I tried it was some 5 months ago, and... for fuck's sake I got wiped out on the second battle. I was so pissed at myself I gave up after that one wipe. I was furious with myself, that I could die so, so early in this game.

The previous 3 times were anywhere from years to a decade or more ago, all of which I cant recall where I fucked up or lost the story thread nor the game difficulty.

>>382867318
You can do that. It's just later in the game, I become immediately paranoid of knights and their habits of breaking my gear no matter how low the % of success is and no, I don't want to wear Maintenance all the time.

>>382867282
I think that is the neutral path in saving the head of the partisans which is the red sister, Cerya I think.
She starts out dead with 2 generics and you have to res her and fight off the black knights of Loslorien as well.
Hard fight, but getting Sherri with an overleveled party is hard as fuck because you have to drop her to 10% and not killer her then you have to find her in a city when its raining and that shit is rare.

>>382853812
I think I might have been overleveled at this point, but
>>382854158
did a lot of work for me. My main character was a thunder mage, so I used a lot of high level thunder and teleporting for the first part.

>>382867420
I'm gonna try making a "the magnificent mage ramza and his meatshields" team and see how it goes.

>>382867064
First play through for the PSP remaster I think I made it the first rooftop battle and I got stomped and gave up. I started a new game using a guide and this time had a squadron of monks. Use a guide

I heard you can "master" a job in this game, by buying all his jp abilities.
What's the point of doing this?
Do you get some sort of bonus?

>>382861302
I played it blind not realizing the final boss literally just copy and pastes your team

>>382851512
Am I the only one who actually liked the WotL translation?

>>382868043
I've seriously considered it. At this point, I don't feel bad about using it. Any recommendations on a good one that baby-steps you through the game's mechanics AND the story, comfortably and 'for dummies'-like?

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>>382851119

Better moment.

Gentlemen, how do we save SRPGs?

>>382869540
Make some

>>382869540
Fire Emblem is fucking shit. Disgeae is boring.
We need new Matsuno games REEEEEEEE

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>>382868769
>WotL translation

>>382867064
I have no idea what you are asking. If you don't like the game, you don't like the game. You don't have to play it.

>>382869710
Yes, do this. I've have ideas brewing, and I'm determined to eventually follow through with them.

But anyway, how do you innovate the basic gameplay? Does it even need innovating instead of just solid everything. Interesting, varied classes and maps and all that. What's better between moving your whole party vs one character at a time (based on speed or something)?

>>382870303
Yeah but I never said I didn't like it, I fully admitted I didn't understand the story nor did I fare well at the gameplay. I DO want to play the game, as I love the narrative and I've heard so much about how great it is. An anon already made a solid suggestion, so I guess the next question is here:
>>382869135

>>382869540
nuxcom "saved" turn based PC rpgs (what's the proper genre term again? srpg is more for jap games), by dumbing them the fuck down. Do you really want to "save" srpgs? I guarantee nothing made today will eve be as complex as FFT.

Remember, current square is the squae-enix responsible for FFXIII, and FFXV.

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>>382868769
No. I think it dives way to deep into using vocabulary that literally no one knows at times, but in spite of that it's a ridiculous improvement over the complete failure that is the PS1 script. And I'm one of the few people qualified to make that judgement since I've played in both languages.

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>>382870742
>I guarantee nothing made today will eve be as complex as FFT.
AHAHAHAAHAHAHA.

You are fucking retarded.

>>382871163
Is that modheim?
I heard it wasn't good

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>>382869540
>SRPGs?
SRPGs are at an all time best at this very moment, they have never been better. The weebshit trash is pretty much dead, sure, but the genre has been completely overtaken by the superior Western games and therefore saved.

>>382871163
Considering I went out of my way to specify the difference between western strategy RPGs and eastern strategy RPGs, and you still posted a fucking western game, I'd say, no, it is you that is a retard.

>>382871243
>I heard it wasn't good
The interface is shit and it's very slow to play, but mechanically it's the best SRPG ever made. The unit build variety, individual unit customization (not cosmetical, but mechanical as in customizing skills, stats and so on) and overall tactical depth is the best in the genre.

>>382871296
those are two different genres tho
Comparing shit like xcom and fft is ridiculous.

>>382865454
got a link?

>>382871502
No, they are the same genre. Both of these games are SRPGs, the fact that FFT is more story focused changes nothing, since it's a turn based tactics game at its core.

>>382871296
Those are all shit except Divinity and that isn't a srpg

>>382871782
>Those are all shit
It's OK to be mad, weebcuck. I know it hurts that most of this "shit" outsold your "iconic and genre-defining" weeb trash like Shitgaea and nuXCOM outsold every single weebcuck SRPG in existence (it outsold the entire Shitgaea franchise alone), but you need to learn how to contain that anal devastation.

>>382871660
FFT doesn't have a base, no research, no permadeath, it's fucking fantasy, and so on.
the only similarity is turn based and you move in a map.
It's like comparing dark souls and skyrim. Ostensibly, both are action rpgs in an open world, but they're so different there's no point in even discussing them in the same thread.

No one in their right mind would say XCOM to the question "what are some games similar to FFT?"

>>382872113
you should have contained yourself a bit more. You tipped your hand too soon. No one is going to fall for that now m8

>>382872128
>FFT doesn't have a base, no research, no permadeath, it's fucking fantasy
The core gameplay revolves around turn based tactical battles. If you're arguing against the fact that XCOM is a SRPG, you are retarded, and, since FFT belongs to the SRPG genre as well, both of these games belong to the same genre.

Also, the setting has nothing to do with the genre, the fact that you even mentioned this shows you know nothing of the genre.

>>382872313
guess kingdom hearts and witcher 3 are the same genre. Core gameplay is action rpg.

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>>382870812
>complete failure that is the PS1 script
>tfw esl and can understand broken english while not getting easily triggered by it

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>>382872424
>any weebshit
>having any roleplaying at all

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>>382871296
>comparing PC only titles
also best west SRPG is JA2 and rest is crap
also regalia is made in west you faggot

>>382872480
yes, they are not the same genre at all, that's my point, thanks for realizing

>>382872506
Regalia was made by weebs, looks like weebshit, so it's weebshit.

JA2 is good and is definitely better than any weebcuck trash, but it's just one good game in list of Western SRPG masterpieces.

>>382872537
>they are not the same genre at all
Of course they're not, Kingodm hearts is a shitty action game that has nothing to do with roleplaying.

>>382872458
Pop quiz. Can you understand what Agrias means here?
Agrias: I'm Agrias Oaks of the Lesalia St. Konoe Knights. I came from Orbonne to save the son of God, St. Ajora. Open the gate!

>>382872753
>that has nothing to do with roleplaying.
Neither does xcom, but you're still calling it an s"RPG"

>>382872893
Dumbfuck, SRPG refers to the strategy RPG genre, this genre has nothing to do with the regular RPG genre apart from the character advancement mechanics, same as jRPGs have nothing to do with actual RPGs like Fallout or Arcanum.

>>382872753
don't hurt yourself with that edge. no one takes your boring western sRPGs away

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>>382871296
>worst shadowrun game
>no invisible inc
>mediocre trash like blackguards


ummmm

>>382873261
yes, that is my point. Just like how FFT has nothing to do with xcom.

>>382873332
>worst shadowrun game
It's the best one when it comes to encounter and mission design. HBS Shadowrun games are trash tactics games, since they filled with 1AP trash mobs that offer ltierally zero challenge, meanwhile every enemy in SR:C is built according to the same rules as player characters and the game has some of the most challenging mission seen in SRPGs ever.

And Blackguards offer more tactical depth and especially more challenge than any weebshit in existence, including the early FE trash.

>>382873553
>FFT has nothing to do with xcom.
More like your skull has nothing to do with brain cells. You know jack shit about the genre, fuck off.

>>382872113
Good job sperging out like a fucking autist, when I said they were all shit I mean the right side as well, now go kill yourself.

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>>382873695
so if someone said
>man I loved final fantasy tactics, what are some games like it
you'd seriously say "x-com"?

>>382873832
>>382873695
comparing western tactics games - which early best examples are Xcom and JA both based on action points with Simulation RPG from Japan (early best examples - FE, SRW based on simple per turn one movement and one action) - is pretty futile and dumb idea
don't be a faggots

Is Orlandu meant to be this OP?

Also, do we get a playable character with All Magic?

>>382874159
Yes, no.

>>382872506
DID ASAGI EVER GET HER OWN VIDYA?
fuck capped

>>382874205

Fuck...

Also, does Delita dies in the end? what happens after the mutual penetration? Did Ovelia die or Delita saved her?

>>382872838
>My name.
>What I do.
>Request.
It's a mystery.

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>>382874218
No

>>382874278
There is no absolute answer to that, but most people believe he lived because the game says he maintained a long rule. And most people agree Ovelia died.

>>382874360
The fun part is that middle sentence. "Saving the son of god" is complete nonsense, she's asking for the church's protection for Ramza's group.

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>>382874445

I tried my best to find all stones, but only 2 was missing, i even reached lv 99 with ramza and orlandu.

Leo - Vormav
Virgo - Alma

Thats what i think

>>382872458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwpZpyGPv8

>>382872113
>>382872480
>>382872753
>>382873616
Man Anon, I generally prefer western games over eastern/weeb games, but after reading your fucking posts I don't even want to be in the same classification as you. Stop being a faggot, every game should be based on it's own merits and you sound like a fag. Absolute fucking autism on this board I swear to god.

>>382851504
Best post.

Wiegraf was fucking nothing, never had trouble beating him. But the roof fight was a total horror, fucking Rafa!