>This shit is still ongoing Who's to blame here /v/?

Dosen't this prove that no one gives a fuck about them?

>>382849428
>interactive video games

Phew I guess the PS4 is safe

>Interactive video games
If it isn't interactive, it wouldn't be a game.

They already won. They're getting royalties.

Who cares?
Get new voice actors. At least all the games won't sound the same anymore.
Why do these pricks think that they deserve royalties over the artists/engineers that spend years of their life making a game?

I don't know what this is.

>>382849428
Entitled Gamers.

>>382849676
gone home
uncharted
dear esther

>>382849428
Can we just give up on the voice acting meme altogether? Or at least for games that are more than 10 hours long?

>>382849803
All those games are interactive.

i hope they never give them a penny and never hire them again. you can get better voice actors off the street.

>>382849885
unironically this

wish there was a /v/ocaroo voice acting thread right about now actually

>>382849803
You press a button to move and the character moves. There. Shit games are still games, no matter how much they fail as games, unfortunately.

>>382849428
what is this youre referring to?

>>382849428
>tfw Ashly Burch is getting cucked out of her favorite job of being Chloe in Life is Strange

Muy Bein.

>>382849428
Unions are to blame. Only thing unions care about are union dues.
Seriously look up the UAW and their plan to sue Volkswagen because the VW workers refuse to join the union.

>>382849428
Considering the companies agreed to all the better working conditions but not the residuals and they're still on strike, they are.
Only people who deserve residuals are devs, not replaceable acting school rejects whose work is nothing compared to the programmers.

>>382849646
SONY ALWAYS WINS BAYBEEEE

Do you think computer generated voices will ever replace human voice actors?

>>382849428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b27iLcoPHTg
>when the most famous of them pretty much btfos the VA strike

>>382849428
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/sag-aftra-production-companies-reach-deal-1202486614/

I thought it was over?

>>382850039
i read that as onion. i didn't see the word as onion i just though union was an alternate spelling of onion until i remembered it was union

>games will use speech synthesizers and render voice actors obsolete
That would be amusing to see.

>>382850420
Came here to post this

>>382849428
Depends on how much the VAs are getting paid. While their job is pretty easy in comparison to a lot of jobs, I hear it doesn't pay much unless they're a major known va.

To be fair, the way AAA games handle voice acting is pretty disgusting.

Not the money bit, every company's like that. If it's just about royalties, then they would be just money grubbing fucks. The issue is with game companies not telling the VAs what character they're playing, or even what game they're voicing it for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOSPUtjidY

>>382850039
Without unions, low skilled workers have little to no protection against their employers.

>>382850720
They need protecting from the unions themselves just as often as the employers.

>>382849961
absolutely have heard better voice actors on vocarro /v/ threads all the time. these "union" faggots are a joke and if any company falls for their extortion they deserve to go bankrupt.

>>382850808
Not quite as often.

Source: I'm an employee without a union who is being fucked in the ass by the company I work for.

>>382850713

> Work one day a week, get paid thousands of dollars.

> WAAAH I NEED MOOOREEE.

Fuck off. Bob from accounting can do just as good a job and might even do it for free on his lunch break.

The actors for thinking that they're that important and that the VA industry in the west is anywhere near the level it is in Japan.

>>382849754
This

>>382850538
So it wasn't just me.

>>382850713
>Muh leaks
This shit pisses me off so much because the only reason they give a damn about leaks is because the entirety of their sales depends on lies, limiting information, and creating false hype. They don't wanna surprise people, they don't want people knowing what they're really doing.

Blame the Simpsons voice acting cunts for starting this shit

>>382850720
Which is why the hell we should be asking why we want institutional protection for low-skill workers in fields like teaching ad voice acting.

Artistic unions exist to protect bad artists just like teacher's unions exist to protect bad teachers.

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>Work 15 hours a day doing manual labor
>Come back home to hear some frilly designers and voice actors are on strike because their job is SO hard and $80 an hour is simply not enough

>>382851293

You don't understand anon!
Talking into a microphone in a comfortable room for maybe 4 hours a day is so straining and difficult on the vocal cords!

>>382850713

This wouldn't be an issue if VA's didn't constantly leak shit.

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>>382849754
100% this. I'm sick of the same hand fulls of complacent actors in literally everything.

>>382851278
People who are bad at their job should be protected, since they're human too and deserve to survive.

>>382849676
Undertale

>>382849754
>Why do these pricks think that they deserve royalties over the artists/engineers that spend years of their life making a game?
They have the word actor in their occupation title, which inflates their egos to immense proportions.

>>382849428
The socks that you forgot to wash.

>wanting royalties when you do the least work

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>Did not give a single fuck about voice-acting in videogames when it was becoming the hot new thing in the early 90s.
>Fast forward 25 years and still do not give a fuck about voice-acting in videogames.

The few times I can say voice-acting has enhanced my enjoyment of a game have been those "so bad it's hilarious" cases like House of the Dead 2 and Resident Evil.

>>382851940
Unless it's because of a disability, no they should not have protection. The free market should decide how much a bad employee is worth, and if they are a bad employee then they should consider improving themselves. Unions encourage the creation of bad employees, especially when it comes to the education system.

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The strikes been going on for at least a year now, and gaming companies have given zero fucks about it, they just went and hired new actors.

>>382849428
I truly believe VAs do get the short end of the stick when it comes to doing multiple takes of shit like battle cries and yelling for hours on end every day, but I also think that doesn't describe the bulk of any particular VA's workload. In short, VAs have a point in striking, but might be a little entitled at the same time.

>>382849428
Literally who cares?

I rarely recognize the VAs in gaming, and it'd probably break immersion if I did.

Their demands list doesn't seem unreasonable, why are they striking exactly?

When you're working with voice, you can't reasonably be expected to stress your voice and maintain the same quality for 8 hour sessions like a normal job. Most stage voices are faked/exaggerated causing extra stress.

>>382849428
The greedy fucks that contribute the least to the game but expect maximum payout aka: the voice actors.

This is a strike against certain companies. Not all of them

Activision Publishing, Inc.
Blindlight, LLC
Corps of Discovery Films
WB Games, Inc.
Disney Character Voices, Inc.
Electronic Arts Productions, Inc.
Formosa Interactive, LLC
VoiceWorks Productions, Inc.
Insomniac Games, Inc.
Interactive Associates, Inc.
Take 2 Interactive Software

https://www.sagaftra.org/interactive

The rest of gaming companies have already agreed.

>>382852206
>muh free market
>let them starve in the streets!

I guess I shouldn't expect any better of 4chin posters

>>382850931
Dont worry, when you get unionise, you will be fucked by it just the same.

>>382850720
>Low skilled workers
There are laws in place to protect them. Do you know why unions sprang into existence? Because there used to be no laws in place to protect them. That is no longer the case, and has not been the case for how many decades now? At this point, unions serve two purposes. To scam money from people who don't actually want to be in them, and to make it impossible to fire people who are legitimately awful at their jobs.

>>382852449
I won't be able to unionize since I live in murika

>>382851438
It actually is, but with 80currency/hour they are like crying babies that didn't get a lollipop while in an amusement park

>>382851940
People who are bad at their job should either get better or seek employment in another field.

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>>382849428
>contribute the least amount to game possible
>demand royalties for your work

Voices are barely needed in videogames. You can make entire games without them just fine

>>382850420
Nolan North is based. I did like in the vid he talks about the award as a piece of treasure in Nathan Drake's voice. That was neat.

>>382852510
The laws don't say they have to give you decent health care or pay you more than 7 bux an hour.

>>382852407
>These faggot voice actors have me defending EA
What is this world coming to. Fuck these people.

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>>382852421
Or maybe a career in voice acting isn't a realistic goal for a lot of them? Life can be disappointing.

>>382849428
Who else /playsliterallyeverygamewiththesoundmutedsothismeansabsolutelynothingtome/ here?

>>382852407
other companies didn't agree. They are just going after those companies because they are the biggest.

>>382852526
There are people retarded enough that they'd be bad at any job

>>382852605
Not really talking about the vas specifically, they make enough to not starve

>>382852593
Minimum wage is a law. As for giving you health care, why should an employer be forced to do that? I used to work for a small business doing IT. Should I have expected that guy to pay my healthcare? Would it have been great? Yeah it would have. Should he be forced? No.

>>382852679
>There are people retarded enough that they'd be bad at any job
Those people belong away from the general populous as they're probably a danger to themselves and others.

>>382852749
>Minimum wage is a law.
That's why I said more than 7 bux an hour. You can't live on 7 bux an hour.

>As for giving you health care, why should an employer be forced to do that?

Because they're the same people who lobby against the government giving it to you so they should pay up for us poorfags who can't afford it

games are better without voice acting

>>382852187
Honestly this. I also can´t help but laugh at those threads arguing if subs or dubs are better in games. If the game has the text I usually read faster than the voice dialog anyway. Like fuck I´m going to wait for them to finish talking when I already know what was said because I can read, I usually skip just through the voice. It´s really not needed

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>>382852767
>general populous

>>382849428
>>382850039
>>382850808
>>382852206
>>382852396
>>382852578

ITT: upset devs that won't stand up for themselves an let pubs walk all over them.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/video-gamings-voice-actor-strike-is-ending-in-slow-small-drips/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/05/23/game-developers-begin-to-agree-to-voice-actors-strike-terms
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/05/23/video-game-voice-actors-strike-update/

>>382852881
>That's why I said more than 7 bux an hour. You can't live on 7 bux an hour.

I lived off of minimum wage for years.
It's called roommates.

>>382853052
As someone with no friends and crippling social anxiety, roommates aren't exactly an option.

>>382852881
>You can't live on 7 dollars an hour
I learned to do it at one point. I don't see why you can't. Retards need to learn that when minimum wage rises, so does everything else to reflect that. Which leaves you in the same position.
>>382853005
Games literally do not need voice actors. You are worthless.

First off: California minimum wage is $10.50

The VAs are getting a good 200-300 an hour for their work with or without SAG, but a union contract means there would not be perpetual rights to the voices and would need to be renegotiated, much like with music right now.

>>382853005
>a day's wage
HOLY FUCK THEY TOTALLY GET ROYALTIES NOW
oh wait, it fucking doesn't mean th at, go fuck off you cancerous little cuck from neogaf

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>>382849428
>the only game that had good voice acting was FFXII
>the cast off FFXII weren't even professional voice actors
>they were just random stage actors pulled from the streets and they still BTFO every voice actor in the industry
I hope these fuckers lose their jobs and never get work voicing another video game character ever again.

>>382853119
>I learned to do it at one point. I don't see why you can't. Retards need to learn that when minimum wage rises, so does everything else to reflect that. Which leaves you in the same position.
I didn't advocate for that though; the other guy was saying unions didn't need to exist due to laws. I advocated for unions to allow low skill workers to negotiate higher wages.

>>382852515
Actually it is the american unions that fuck with their members the most.

>>382853226
American unions are corrupt because America is a sick, disgusting cesspool of a society where everyone is trying to fuck everyone else in the ass.

Source: I'm Murikan

>>382853005
Worthless and untalented people do not need protecting.
Becoming a VA in burgerland isn't something that takes a shitload of investment, cashwise or time, it's not something you put your neck out to become, like in japan and probably other countries.
Also they're mostly talentless hacks, due to having no training, and vidya doesn't actually need them at all.

>>382853315
Dudebros demand vas so vas they shall have

Captcha: union north

GOOGLE IS WATCHING(TM)

>>382853214
>Unions are necessary to negotiate higher wages
Negotiation is negotiation. If a company/employer doesn't want to pay you more, then that sucks. Accept it or find something better.

>>382852421
You don't get a free ride. If you are a shitty teacher you shouldn't be a teacher. It is a free country which means if you suck at your job you can either change careers or become a better employee. Employers should not be under compulsion to employ bad workers, and the state should definitely not be under compulsion to let incompetent and even maliciously subversive people educate our children.

>>382853315
Japan has talent agencies that take the pretty ones and make them sing as well.

>>382853298
They've been like that long before morals had degraded to that point though, they've always been shady as fuck and had dealings with various criminal organizations.

>>382853489
>Murika
>Ever having morals

Come on, anon. Remember the Injuns

>>382853559
Disease is an amoral actor.

>>382849973
Games need win and failure conditions. Uncharted makes the cut. But Gone Home and Dear Esther literally need to make a new name for whatever the fuck they are because it's objectively not a video game.

>>382853419
Low skill workers have no leverage to bargain

>>382853447
You probably think they should just gas anyone who's a bad worker, right, /pol?

>>382852407
>Insomniac Games, Inc.
>Insomniac publicly speaks out against Trump's travel ban
>Insomniac won't support unions
>EA, Activision and Disney are also SJWs
>They won't support unions

Really get the noggin' joggin'!

>>382853119
>Retards need to learn that when minimum wage rises, so does everything else to reflect that.
Then why have prices of everything gone up while minimum wage has been stagnant for like 30+ years, and the middle class is disappearing because of it.

Checkmate retard, go jerk off to trickle down theory.

>>382853626
Andrew Jackson wasn't though.

>>382853679
>Have no leverage to bargain
And? If they bring nothing to the table, why should they be paid more?
>>382853730
>stayed stagnant
According to dol.gov Minimum wage was 4.25 in 1991 in the US. In 2009 it was 7.25.

>>382853691
A corporation is a corporation.

>>382853910
>And? If they bring nothing to the table, why should they be paid more?
Because they're human :^)

>people will surely vote for my policies if I call them worthless because they have a job I have disdain for!

This is why the scourge of populism will never die.

>>382853116
Craigslist/classifieds. People want roommates all the time. They won't care if you're a sperg as long as you pay you're share of the rent.

>>382853945
But if they're truly progressive, why wouldn't they support unions?

>>382853993
Crippling social anxiety prevents ever seeking out other people to live with

>>382853679
>You probably think they should just gas anyone who's a bad worker, right, /pol?

>firing people who don't do a good job is now comparable to the holocaust

This is the quality of person that generation snowflake has produced. Maybe they should just gas all the millennials, even if I have to go down with them.

>>382849803
>uncharted

you are an utter moron if you think 'it has cut-scenes so its not a game'

>>382853691
It almost like being a socially progressive neoliberal is the most sensible position.

>>382854048
No. Not all progressives are communists.

>>382854104
If you can't get a job you're as good as gassed, /pol. You can't live without money.

>>382854085
So go get some neetbucks if you're that fucked.

>>382853691
it's almost as if neoliberalism uses social justice as a thin veneer for pro-business policies and that actual leftists have been upset about this for decades at this point

>>382853910
>inflation doesn't exist
based retardbro

>>382851123
>>382850713
You guys would get a hoot if you see how we handle remote ADR recordings for extras/non-key characters on high budget films (think Marvel).

>>382854356
There are about 200 actual leftists left in America

>>382854153
Then they're not truly progressive. They should be jumping to the first chance to give these VAs more money.

>>382854356
>Minimum wage has been stagnant
>Here's a government source saying it's not
>UHHHH INFLATION
You BTFO yourself harder than I could with how desperate you were to move those goalposts.

>>382849428
>Who's to blame here /v/?
Unions for allowing this sort of shit. Studios should be free to hire whoever sounds good and is right for the role.

>>382850420
>goes full all lives matter
ree

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>>382854430
Why do you, anonymous shitposter on 4chan, get to define what it means to be progressive?

>>382854551
If you don't support unions and worker's rights, then you don't care for people and thus are not progressive!

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>>382849428
I don't play a lot of modern games but I went through Persona 5 at my friend's house and voice actors are legit retarded. They can't even pronounce their own character's names so why do they deserve to make more money than they do?

They should tell the union to fuck off and get more Guy Chihi types or stage actors or local news anchors to do all the voice acting in video games because they'll do a hell of a better job than some schlub who coasts by in life because they're "famous" for a certain voice.

>>382854643
I do care about the people, I care about ALL people. Not just the people who are Union members. Unions only work to benefit their members.

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>>382851293
>tfw dad owned a small, but respectable construction/carpentry/roofing business and partook in it over summer breaks even during college out in the muggy ass American Delta
>could've been at it from 8am to 7pm
I'm so glad I'll be working in an air conditioned room for the rest of my years for a living. Fuck working with concrete.

>>382854962
your weak and your father hates you

he wishes you were cum on his hand

>>382854789
>only work to benefit their members
My father used to bitch all the time about his union. He had to pay x amount of money from each check, but received zero benefit out of it. So unions don't even benefit their members any more.

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>>382855087
My dad loves me. Fug you.

>>382854184
>Reeeeeeee! Mommy and daddy won't pay for shit anymore so I have to get a job! This is fascism!

>>382851438
Rooms are mega cold though

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>>382855192
i was projecting

>>382855352
Except I was referring to people who under that guy's system who are bad at their jobs and would be fired and thus unable to keep a job and would thus die, not those unwilling to get one. Rather, those bad at them.

>>382855092
I think that much depends on the individual union. I applied for a job at UPS and the union members had a pretty sweat deal (raises like every year, tons of other benefits), but you have to work for 5-10 years in the sorting facility for almost minimum wage to be able to become a driver and join the union.

>>382849428
What is the best video game for someone who hates and rejects all indie (independent) games and just play and only likes AAA video games?

>>382855567
Call of Duty.

>>382855486
If they are bad at their job because they have a disability, then they already have protection. If they are bad at their job because they are lazy or irresponsible then they should have to change or lose their job. It's that simple. That is called "being a grownup."

I'm confused why a skill based job to job industry needs fucking collective bargaining. I learned pretty early in my career unions exist to fuck over skilled people solely to line their own pockets and help the unskilled. I assure you the best of the best VAs don't need a union.

>>382849682
Source?

>>382855652
This is a game

And what would be the most ideal console for the gamer who hate everything indie and only plays AAA video games?

>>382855654
Is low IQ a disability, anon? :^)

Not that disability protections really mean shit in the US anyway.

>>382854401
Give us some examples, I'm always for some stories made up or not.

>>382855662
You can't make a video game only with The Best VAs. You need shit tier VAs to do side characters. These individuals must be protected and paid a living wage.

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>>382855375
It ain't all bad, anon.

>>382849428
Fuck actors' unions.

Just have some dudes audition and pick out some decent ones that don't sound like nail on a chalkboard, and its fine.

>>382849428
They are out of a Job...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3l4XLZ59iw
#VOCO

It's already happened.

>>382856308
Enjoy untrained actors' "Work"

>>382856081
>must be protected
From what? I'm not saying to abandon law and order or the police or something... I'm for workers rights as well.
>and paid a living wage
This is such a dumb fucking meme word.
Why do they need a living wage? If it's low skill VAing, why not get a college kid working with his parents, or get a dude with a full time job to come in weekends? Publishers could give a shit about losing these people in the strike. They are the first to be replaced by non union workers. If someone will do it for X, and you will pay them X. There is no need to get involved.

>>382856081
They get the same protections everyone else gets. Can't be be discriminated against. Can't be expected to do something illegal or dangerous.

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>>382849428
I'd rather we go back to the days of reading subtitles, text, and corny VAing.

>>382853691
if trump does their travel ban then they have a smaller pool of migrants to hire and use for diversity, and use for government bonuses to get extra money
but supporting the union would mean losing money

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>>382855971
As it should be, anon.

>>382856370
Still fine with me.

> The only notable time in which a VA has affected people buying a game or not was fucking Jontron.

>>382856395
>From what?
From starvation and death by no medical insurance.

>>382856395
>Why do they need a living wage?
Because humans need to be able to keep their biological processes going?

>>382856395
>why not get a college kid working with his parents, or get a dude with a full time job to come in weekends?
People with inflexible hours won't really be that suited to most games' needs. Unless you mean bit parts where they say like 4 lines for NPCs in an open world game, but that isn't usually how most open world games are even structured; they often reuse a small pool of VAs for many characters

>>382856439
Actually they get better protections than most other workers since they have a union.

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>>382854401
Can you give us some examples?
I'm in the mood for a good laugh.

The storylines in video games rarely reach the quality that cinema and literature does. So... Who cares. Fuck the voice actors.

>>382856370
Don't need trained anything any more, just an hour or two of some schmo talking into a mic.

Voco can take that, turn it into a voice library and boom - most voice actors are out of a job.

>>382856732
No, you said they "need" protections. I said they get the same exact protections everyone else does. No name voice actors aren't protected by unions. It's only faggots like Hayter.

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>>382856639
Other than Oblivion and Fallout 3
>mfw

>>382856395
>college kid working with his parents
I meant living with parents

>starvation.
Why is that a random videogame publishers problem. Why don't you buy them food oh virtuous one.
>because humans need to keep their biological processes going
I was unaware that all the videogame VAs were dying in the streets. I think i saw a mass grave outside the bioware studios here. Truly saddening.

>People with unflexible hours
You'd be surprised with college kids. Regardless no vas are actually dying many do in fact work multiple jobs so it's just virtue signalling.

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>>382856756
>cinema

>>382856913
Oops meant for
>>382856645

>>382856878
They need protections--protections you and other individuals in this thread would like to strip away by depriving them of their union

>>382856081
If they aren't paid a living wage why aren't they dead?

>>382857003
No they do not need whatever dumb shit you're advocating. All they need is the same fucking protections every person gets by law. Anything more is on them.

>>382849428
I can't fault them for wanting more money.
But what's this "deserve" nonsense?
Reeks of entitlement to me, like indie developers that think they "deserve" good sales and are being sabotaged by those toxic consumer-first gamergaters.

Voice acting unironically got worse because of this and it's pretty awful.

But their demands are probably ridiculous

>>382856896

What happened with those two?

Shouldn't devs be the ones unionizing?

Since they, you know actually make games?

>>382856913
>Why don't you buy them food oh virtuous one.
Because I'm poor too and can't afford to

>>382856913
>I was unaware that all the videogame VAs were dying in the streets.
You would have them do so by cutting any union protections they have

>>382856913
>Regardless no vas are actually dying many do in fact work multiple jobs so it's just virtue signalling.
No one should have to work multiple jobs to live.

>>382857079
Because they're in a union.

>>382857093
Every other person needs more protections as well. The VAs are actually better off than most low skill workers

>>382857167
Devs are too busy working 80 hrs a week to unionize

>voice acting

hahahahahahahaha

>ITT Scabs and Illegals

>>382857183
Fuck that. I don't want to pay more money for video games just because the assholes who contribute the least to it are getting paid more for no reason.

>>382849428
I can't be the only one who thinks that video game voice acting has risen in quality since this shit started. It's great not hearing the same 20 fuckheads in everything

>>382857167
They should be unionizing but that has zero to do with voice actors

>>382857165
The Emperor was Jean Luc Picard and the MC's father was Qui Gon. I don't think it was the biggest seller for people, but I wouldn't be surprised some people finally got catalyzed into shelling out for one of them.

>>382849428
>get everything you want in negotiations except the one thing you in no way shape or form deserved
>we want it we want it we want what's coming to us REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

Take a guess.

Then punch wil wheaton in his bitch face if you ever see him in person.

Tell him it's for the Bullfrog.

How do I become a voice actor?

>>382856915
It's easy to cherry pick when some films are deliberately targeting retarded normalfags. It's just like how the majority of video games target normalfags with their terrible storylines.

>>382857183
>.
>Because I'm poor too and can't afford to
Colour me surprised.

>You would have them do so by cutting any union protections they have
So all non union VAs filling in for them are dying in the streets?

>No one should have to work multiple jobs to live.
Why the fuck not?

>Because they're in a union.
So they are paid a "living" wage or not?

>>382857461
>/pol/
>jews
>Make zero mention of this
Leave and never come back.

>>382857461
>>>/qa/

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>>382849428
jews refusing to pay up from the looks of it.

My first three jobs were union. When i got my first non union job it was heaven. Turns out i was paying monthly fees to keep retards around so I had to pick up the slack. Now when someone is shit at their job they just get fired.

>>382857597
>So they are paid a "living" wage or not?
Depends on the individual VA. Those who are advocating they lose their union are advocating a potential loss of living wages.

>So all non union VAs filling in for them are dying in the streets?
Any of the ones who get a serious health condition are.

>Why the fuck not?
Because it's inhumane.

>>382851293
>$80 an hour
the fuck?
I'd pay $40 an hour for trained voice talent.
Shit, the only actual tech worker who gets paid $80 per hour is the senior network engineer, and most of that is because his ass can literally be called up at any time to come in here and unfuck the servers, so more pay to counter the inconvenience.
Programmers? $30/hr roughly, and roughly since they get paid a salary rather than an hourly rate and god knows how much hours they put in, they give 0 fucks about timesheets.
Artists, as in the guys who model assets and make animations and turn the level from developer cubes into something pretty - maybe $20-$25/hour

Why in god's name would I pay a fucking VA $80/hour when about half of the staff would do it for their usual wage?
>talent
Oh fuck off. That talent is NOT worth double the cost.

>>382857773
idiot

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>>382857762
based kikes

>>382857889
You don't realize that there are millions of normies who will go to see a film just because Tom Cruise is in it and likewise millions of normies who will buy a video game just because Nolan North is voicing the main

>>382857998
Yes but that's Nolan North. You'd expect $300/hour for a name like that.
As I understand. noname faggots whose voice acting portfolio includes "background NPC in Xenoetrian Pantystar" and "Main character in a fangame" are requesting $80/hour.

>>382857998
>And likewise
Literally nobody knows who Nolan North is. Nor do they actually give a fuck who is voicing these video game characters. Why? They're faceless.

>>382857295
It's only going to get better, now that we don't need voice actors but rather 'voice models'.
see: >>382856360

Think about screen actors for a second - they generally look and sound good, but not the best.
Models are chosen for their looks exclusively, but that doesn't mean they can act - actors have both the required looks (might be ugly or gruesome if required for a role) and skill to act.

Voco doesn't require the 'vocalist' have any skill other than being able to hold a conversation for an hour or so (maybe over a few sessions)
So if the 'vocalists' don't require skill, we can simply choose from the best sounding voices around, regular ass jills and joes who sound the part, you pay them well (say $50 an hour) with no residuals or credit whatsoever - simply to be mic'ed up while having a conversation(s).

Voice Actors aren't dead, but their contributions are a whole lot less.

>>382858139
>Literally nobody knows who Nolan North is.
I do. Why don't you. Not NORMIE enough?

>>382854401
Sure, prove how mentally fucked and obsessive DCucks are.

Why does all the anti union talk always come from the states full of illegals?

>>382858139
>Literally nobody knows who Nolan North is.
Frodo

>>382857848

>Depends on the individual VA. Those who are advocating they lose their union are advocating a potential loss of living wages.
Nobody is advocating they make so little they don't survive. Nobody is taking jobs that pay so little they die. Nobody in America, Japan, USA, France, Canada or other AAA gaming hubs make less than a "living wage" not even the unemployed, disabled or fucking homeless. And nobody is saying any of those people should starve to death. So quit your bullshit whimpering straw man or false arguements. This arguement is about a union of middle class American's. Not fucking Ethiopian kids.

>Any of the ones who get a serious health condition are.
Literally nobody in any of the aforementioned countries are dying on the streets unless they choose to.

>Because it's inhumane.
Not as inhumane as forcing a stranger to supply for you. You seem to think the money comes out of thin air. You already refused to support them yourself then righteously claim some random third party should carry that weight. Fuck that. Mail ashley birch a cheque yourself or shut the fuck up.

>>382858253
Because rednecks know they benefit from slave labor

>>382858253
libtards are anti union as long as it brings in more voters.

>>382857920
I mean i probably could of dicked around union jobs myself. But it's just not who I am. So this environment suits me better.

>>382858436
>>382858485
hmmmm

>>382858221
Normalfags do not know who voices their video games and they don't care either. People care about actors because they are stimulated visually by their appearances first and foremost. Then there's their physical acting. Look at Mark Hamill. Dude does a great Joker, but the normalfags obsessed with the Joker think of who when you mention the name? Heath Ledger.

>>382858139
>Literally no one know Nolen North
You have to be delusional as hell to believe this

>>382858427
>Nobody in America, Japan, USA, France, Canada or other AAA gaming hubs make less than a "living wage" not even the unemployed, disabled or fucking homeless.
Uhhh
Living wage is not 0$/hr. So the unemployed and homeless definitely do not make a living wage.

>Literally nobody in any of the aforementioned countries are dying on the streets unless they choose to.

Do you think radiation treatment is free? What do you think happens to people who don't have the money to pay for it and get cancer? Emergency rooms don't give out chemo you know.

>Not as inhumane as forcing a stranger to supply for you.
If that stranger is rich it sure is

>You already refused to support them yourself then righteously claim some random third party should carry that weight.
I'm not rich

The strike is still going on?

I didn't hear about it until I found out that the strike is going to cause a change with Noire's English VA.

>>382849676
Tell that to Final Fantasy XIII. If tilt up and hit X counts as enough interactivity in a "game", then you've got low standards.

>>382858548
This. My friend ia a die hard RE fanboy and didn't even know Leon was just about always a different VA until I told him.

>>382858613
No, stop being a retard. Voice actors are not known by normalfags. The one time there was a reaction from them was when a popular MOVIE ACTOR was replaced by Nolan North.

>>382858702
>tfw ff13 is actually harder to finish than any previous FF due to the level cap and the difficulty spike at space pope but people who didn't even finish the tutorial don't realize this since the tutorial is 40 hours long

>>382852407
Disney are ultra kikes they'll never bend the knee. Good riddance, faggots don't read the clause before they sign the dotted line

>>382858626

>Living wage is not 0$/hr. So the unemployed and homeless definitely do not make a living wage.
And yet they are still alive. It's almost like there is charity, government institutions, handouts etc.

>Do you think radiation treatment is free? What do you think happens to people who don't have the money to pay for it and get cancer?
They get treatment as physicians are legally obligated to supply. Ever heard of the hypocratic oath? Additionally every country i mentioned has singlepayer or mandatory health insurance...

>If that stranger is rich it sure is
This is working wonders in Venezuela right now desu senpai. It's almost like people don't study their ass off amd put in 80 hour work weeks to buy some San fran whore a second prius. Could be wrong though. Heard incentives are a capitilist lie.
>I'm not rich
What a convenient excuse.
How about you worry about how to spend your own money and let the rich worry about their own. They are clearly doing a better job with it then you anyway.

>>382859070
*Hippocratic.

>>382858485
>libtards are anti union
Scott Walker.

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>>382858702
that's more intractivity than FFXV where it's "hold a button" 99% of the time

>>382859070
>And yet they are still alive. It's almost like there is charity, government institutions, handouts etc.
That isn't a wage, anon. And living wage is not "well ur not ded so u must make a living wage LOL." It is an amount of money capable of supporting a single individual enough so as that individual can live relatively comfortably in the country he or she is working in without depending on government financial assistance or charity.

>>382859070
>They get treatment as physicians are legally obligated to supply.
Physicians are not legally obligated to give you chemo for free, anon.

>>382859070
>Ever heard of the hypocratic oath?
Hint: It isn't "give poor people free healthcare"

>>382859070
>Additionally every country i mentioned has singlepayer or mandatory health insurance...
I live in Murika. I'm talking about Murika. And "mandatory health insurance" is not "free health care." You can't afford the 500 dollar co-pay for a hospital stay? The bill collectors will be on your ass.

>>382859070
>This is working wonders in Venezuela right now desu senpai.
It sure is working wonders in actual civilized nations in Yurop though.

>>382859070
>How about you worry about how to spend your own money and let the rich worry about their own.
No.

>>382858485
To be honest I only really care about sequels. There have been some good VA performances, but I don't think there is anyone that good that no one outside the union could replace them.
But it sucks Chloe is gonna sound different in LiS prequel.
Honestly more studios should just go full Kojima, if VAs want the Hollywood treatment then replace them with the real Hollywood. Even if it is Btier tv actors

Japanese voice acting onry

>>382859645
Living wage is entirely arbitrary. Living wage in new york is 50 dollars an hour. living wage in bum fuck nowhere is 4 dollars an hour. This is why he's calling it a meme.

>>382859645


>That isn't a wage, anon. And living wage is not "well ur not ded so u must make a living wage LOL." It is an amount of money capable of supporting a single individual enough so as that individual can live relatively comfortably in the country he or she is working in without depending on government financial assistance or charity.
I don't think you understand what "living means" I mean you are using dishonest semantics to sound more virtuous.
A more honest term would be a "sufficient wage to buy a large screen tv, nice car and house"

>Physicians are not legally obligated to give you chemo for free, anon.
I never said for free. You said they are dying and not getting treatment. False they are obligated to do so. That's why you don't see this bullshit in the news everyday. It's amazing how many people haven't the slightest clue how
healthcare works.

>Hint: It isn't "give poor people free healthcare"
Never said free. You are moving goalposts. Nobody in the world gets free healthcare.


>I live in Murika. I'm talking about Murika. And "mandatory health insurance" is not "free health care." You can't afford the 500 dollar co-pay for a hospital stay? The bill collectors will be on your ass.
I said mandatory health insurance which is murrica. "the bill collectors will be on your ass" is a pretty fucking first world problem, especially for a measly $500. They are after me for that amount in parking tickets, does that mean i fit your definition of "starving in the streets?"

>It sure is working wonders in actual civilized nations in Yurop though.
Please enlighten me on which European countried supports such a policy? It's usually the dumb American right wingers that think Europe is socialist. Not the dumb American lefties.

>No.
Cool. So why can't i dictate how you spend your money if you can decide othet peoples? Hope your credit card limit supports that new TV i want. I mean *need *, without it im just not living. With my poor wage.

>>382860402
>A more honest term would be a "sufficient wage to buy a large screen tv, nice car and house"
That is not what I mean though as a living wage is below that needed to buy a nice car and a house.

>I never said for free. You said they are dying and not getting treatment. False they are obligated to do so.

If you don't have health insurance and can't pay you don't get chemo. Period. You die of cancer.

>Never said free. You are moving goalposts. Nobody in the world gets free healthcare.

So then you agree people are dying in the streets.

>"the bill collectors will be on your ass" is a pretty fucking first world problem, especially for a measly $500.
You shouldn't have to have bill collectors on your ass because you had a health problem. That is a third world problem, of which Murika is fast becoming.

And that is just for the hospital stay, not any actual treatment which runs far higher.

>Please enlighten me on which European countried supports such a policy?

Any one with high taxes on the wealthy to pay for benefits that are not actually seen by the wealthy but rather the poor.

>Cool. So why can't i dictate how you spend your money if you can decide othet peoples?
Because I'm not rich and you're not a body politic.

>>382860858
>If you don't have health insurance and can't pay you don't get chemo. Period. You die of cancer.
>muh cancer
you retards always use this meme when in reality most of our healthcare costs come from lard asses.

fix the real problem.

>libertarians still can't understand nuance
>libertarians still can't admit market failures exist
>leftists can't admit too many workers rights are a problem (they hurt consumers when everyone is on strike all the time)
>leftists have trouble admitting incentives work because the opposition to libertarianism made it a touchy subject

Feels good to be an enlightened radical centrist.

>>382849428

Do they have zero understanding of leverage and that they lack it?

>>382861139
That doesn't help the people who get cancer

>>382861162
>radical centrist.
You don't even exist. I've never heard of such a thing

>>382861260
It's a meme, centrists aren't radical. "Radical centrists" are establishment Democrats like Bill Clinton or Obama.

>>382861260
>That doesn't help the people who get cancer
it makes healthcare cheaper which directly helps people afford cancer.

stop being a retard.

>>382861396
A child gets cancer and her parents died in a car accident (other drivers fault). Who should pay for the child's medical care? Is it morally wrong to put a gun to a rich person's head and take their money to pay for it to prevent the child from dying?

>>382860858

>That is not what I mean though as a living wage is below that needed to buy a nice car and a house.
What you mean, is just an ever increasing amount. Because everyone here makes a literal "living" and living standards for even the poorest have been shooting up since the 70s. So of course you don't have a concrete standard , incase it's actually met.
.
>If you don't have health insurance and can't pay you don't get chemo. Period. You die of cancer.
False. Also health insurance is mandatory. Did you miss that part?

>So then you agree people are dying in the streets.
No, i agree medical treatment costs money.

>You shouldn't have to have bill collectors on your ass because you had a health problem. That is a third world problem, of which Murika is fast becoming.
Why? Please explain your philosophical arguement, your rational solution and whathave you? Should doctors work for free?

>Any one with high taxes on the wealthy to pay for benefits that are not actually seen by the wealthy but rather the poor.
That's not at all what we are talking about. USA has taxes to. And rich people pay more there. We are talking about wages for middle class Voice Actors. Not government programs or taxes. We are talking pay from private corporations and citizens to employees/other private cirizens.

>Because I'm not rich and you're not a body politic.
I define rich as more than a dollar a day, now your argument is I don't get to spend your money because it's not populist opinion that I do? If all of 'Murrica said I should be able to, youd give me your chequebook?

I'm going to drop my 2 cents into this union discussion and assume it'll get read without quoting anyone.

First off, unions are very important for the protection of benefits and wages, and the increases of those when the employer refuses to meet a growing need. For example, my dad worked pizza delivery for over 15 years because he was an old man who pissed away his youth on cars, women, and blue collar jobs. He'd been through several car wrecks and his body was a mess, and still is, so by this point he really couldn't go get a better job, especially since what happened next was immediately after the recession.

There isn't a union for pizza drivers, at least not around here, so when corporate sold every store in the surrounding area to a franchise, that franchise dug its heel into every employee they inherited. My dad lost every bonus he'd earned over the previous 15 years, and was docked into the waiter pay system, which expects you to forfeit any reported tips from your paycheck. He was already tearing his car up without reimbursement by trying to take as many deliveries as he could, so this new dramatically lower income wasn't livable. I was selling off an old vintage toy collection of his bit-by-bit every month to help pay his bills, until he got cancer and went on disability. When he confronted the franchise owner about this shortly after the buyout, he was told to work harder, and that everyone's pay would be docked even lower if anyone filed a lawsuit against her.

Would a union have protected my dad from this abuse? Maybe.

Now my second point is, no, I don't believe this voice actor strike should be successful. They're already paid healthily, and they are not nearly as important as they think they are to the development of video games. The developers and programmers should be compensated more first, and if VAs do get higher wages I would not be surprised to hear about someone else's pay getting docked to compensate.

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>>382861389
>>382861260

>>382861396
No that only tangentially helps people afford cancer treatment, and it won't bring down costs from say 400 bucks per chemo to 10

>>382861495
insurance pays for it dumbass.

> Is it morally wrong to put a gun to a rich person's head and take their money to pay for it to prevent the child from dying?
problem is its everyone thats paying for it, not just the rich fags. even just them its no good.

Maybe they'd get paid more if Western voice actors were nearly as good as Japanese ones

>>382861162
This.
Neoliberal master race reporting in.
To bad we don't win elections anymore.

>>382861552
and this is why nobody supports your shitty ideas.

you never tackle the real problems and you just ignore them.

enjoy 8 years of trump and 8 years of whoever he endorses.

>>382851438
It actually is, but they're still being whiny bitches about it.

They also think they're important enough to get royalties, which is hilarious. Absolutely no one ever has said "Oh look, yet another Japanese game that has Cristina Vee voicing a young girl, I need to get that shit."

I'm pretty impressed with the VA shills who keep shilling this bullshit on here while no one gives a shit about them

>>382861587
And if her parents didn't have insurance?

>>382861635
Well, Macron did win in France.

>>382849428
>Who's to blame
Corporate executives and marketing "experts" who thought that having C-list movie and TV actors would sell games. That mentality by itself has led to every bad voice acting-related decision we're dealing with today, instead of the strike. Fix the mentality in the AAA industry, get rid of cinematic bullshit, go back to gameplay being the focus. The union is simply demanding to be paid in accordance to what the game companies themselves value.

>>382861495
Her legal guardian's insurance company.
And yes.
Sidenote some kid whose parents died in a car accident is gonna be fucking loaded.
Why don't you retards exist in reality?
There is a very convincing case to be made for singlepayer on economic efficiency and risk pooling grounds. But this false outrage emotional appeal bullshit triggers me. Especially when it's so far from reality.

>>382861710
>And if her parents didn't have insurance?
assuming they were dirt poor retards with nothing to their name then im afraid thats it

>>382853641
There's a reason no one has responded to you, anon. It is because you are a retard.

>>382861517
>What you mean, is just an ever increasing amount. Because everyone here makes a literal "living" and living standards for even the poorest have been shooting up since the 70s.
It's still not enough for a nice car and a house.

>False.
Source? Who gives them the free chemo if they can't pay? I want to know.

>Also health insurance is mandatory.
Mandatory means you get a fine if you don't have it. There are still tons of uninsured in Murika.

>No, i agree medical treatment costs money.
Then those who can't afford it and are denied care and have a terminal illness die due to it.

>Why? Please explain your philosophical arguement, your rational solution and whathave you? Should doctors work for free?
Doctors should be required to work a certain percentage of their time for free for the privilege of being a doctor in a first world country since their wages are ridiculously inflated due to the fact that demand on health care for sick people approaches infinity which causes market problems.

>We are talking about wages for middle class Voice Actors.
I'm not really. If they're middle class they're already out of my target area.

>That's not at all what we are talking about. USA has taxes to. And rich people pay more there.
US does not have "high" taxes on the wealthy though. Europe generally does.

>>382861517
>I define rich as more than a dollar a day, now your argument is I don't get to spend your money because it's not populist opinion that I do?
Your definition is retarded.

Anyway, farewell, Birry, I must sleep so I can go to my slave labor job tomorrow. You will likely remain up as you seem to be a RepublicanDad Supported /pol/tard in college or a successful entrepreneur who sets his own hours if you can remain up at this hour on a weekday.

>>382861653
There's no way to solve your "real problem" of "lard asses" without draconian measures like government control on food consumption. And poor people getting cancer is indeed a "real problem"

>>382862293
It's bizarre how many people here go such great lengths to argue why games they don't like shouldn't be classified as games. As if it is some prestigious term for only the highest of art.

>>382862075
I was making up a realistic scenario. I was making up a hypothetical scenario to see what the other person's guiding principles were. I wanted to know if they thought taxes were worse than letting children die. And I'm not even in favor of single payer, I'm in favor of a mixed system like Singapore.

>>382862078
This is why you will never get people to vote for your policies.

>>382862610
Shit, I meant I was NOT making up a realistic scenario.

Nintendo was right all along that voice acting in games is a mistake. Who needs them, unless youre into "cinematic experience" games like Heavy Rain.

>>382862610
>>382862693

It's not a realistic scenario to have a young kid whose parents die in a car crash? You seem to be selling your scenario short as this is quite a realistic possibility, even moreso if the kid has a single parent so two people wouldn't need to be pooled in the same doomcar at once.

>>382862382

>It's still not enough for a nice car and a house.
Really depends where doesn't it? I can't afford a fucking apartment in this shit town but youd consider me some rich bourgeoisie.
>Source? Who gives them the free chemo if they can't pay? I want to know.
Nobody gives them free chemo. They give them chemo and sort out billing or what have you after.
>>Also health insurance is mandatory.
>Mandatory means you get a fine if you don't have it. There are still tons of uninsured in Murika.
.
>Then those who can't afford it and are denied care and have a terminal illness die due to it.
No, it's not rocket science. We have insurance, government programs payment plans Billing after, debt, charity etc.

>Doctors should be required to work a certain percentage of their time for free for the privilege of being a doctor in a first world country since their wages are .
Can't wait for the doctor shortage! I'm sure doctors will be way cheaper now thst med school enrolment will drop like Crazy.
>.
>I'm not really. If they're middle class they're already out of my target area.
Good, America is a middle class country sub Saharan Africa needs help, not VAS.
>>That's not at all what we are talking .
>US does not have "high" taxes on the wealthy though. Europe generally does.
Both do. I don't know any country with a regressive tax system.

>Your definition is retarded.
Why? You know millions actually live on a dollar a day right? Unfair cause cheaper cost of living and self sufficiency is much higher but still

>remain up at this hour on a weekday.
It's 10pm. But sure throw stereotypes at me.

>>382862932
The scenario isn't realistic not because her parents would die in a car crash, it's not realistic because all developed countries and a lot of developing ones have programs to take care of children in the scenario already.

>>382851131

I heard the writers are obligated to make at least one Lisa-focused episode per season. Thats why there's always that one boring Lisa episode each time. They're always bad.

>>382861495
The correct answer is: The other driver.

>>382861139
>fix the real problem.
The real problem is big pharmaceutical and the lack of choices the consumer has. Industries without any real competition do nothing but give rising costs to the consumer.

>>382849646

I hope you get impaled by a bus, BITCH!

>>382849428
>No Ashly Burch in Before the Storm
This strike is the best thing that has happened to vidya voice acting in decades.

>>382863105
I suppose, but--In the libertarian dystopia these individuals wish to create those types of programs would be gone though.

>>382862530
The exact opposite. If games are art, they are subject to the same standards as art, which are unfortunately now garbage. The famous screencap of the artist who carved a dragon compared to his contemporaries that carved self-felatio is applicable here: if games are art, and art is self-indulgent garbage, games become self-indulgent garbage.

>>382862610
So your just a retard.
Mixed systems are flawed as fuck. Do one way or the other.
And a realistic situation is the kid gets paid out by his parents life insurance, liquidates all their assets, while being supported by their guardian having their chemo paid for by their insurer.
But keep living in your dystopian falseworld.

>>382863216
You do have choices. You can get fucked by Insurance company A, B, C, D or E. Insurance companies literally exist to fuck people in the ass by betting they will not use the insurance as much as they pay out. Which one would you like to take the dick from today, anon?

>>382863192
Only if the government puts a gun to the drivers head and forces them to work and steals their wages to pay for the child. We can't violate the other drivers NAP.

>>382863348
>DUDE just decide between the USSR and Somalia
How about no.

>>382863338
Art is just a blanket term for any creative effort. All games, books, movies, music, tv shows, porn, anime, whatever the fuck good, bad or otherwise is art

>>382863436
Do you want me to explain why it's inefficient or are you just going to shitpost?

>>382863348
Poor people don't have life insurance or significant assets. Your solution only works for the rich and middle class. Surprise.

>>382853641
>Games need win and failure conditions. Uncharted makes the cut.
>but list Uncharted anyway
this is how i know you're a nintentoddler.
u fucktards are shitting up the board.
fuck off

>>382849428
money

>>382863546
I don't think you have the slightest clue how the poor actually live in the first world.

>>382863442
While that may be true in the decorative sense, in the connotative sense nobody wants video games to become sculptures of self-feltatio or performances of a woman dropping eggs of painr from her vagina onto a canvas. Until "art" cleans up its image, nobody wants to be a part of it.

>>382863525
Someone's testy. Please, tell me about this pure capitalist utopia that achieves a better standard of living than the modern day USA and other neoliberal countries like Singapore.

>>382863686
The nice thing about vidya is it isn't zero sum and the market is getting bigger everyday. We can have both. We can have all types of games. There are still more good games every year then i will ever get time to play, and yet people focus on complaining about the women dropping period blood on a canvas or whatever.

>>382863842
About half a percent of the people advocating for this genuinely want more variety. They called "useful idiots" by the 99.5% of people who advocate for the destruction of evil/patriarchal/whatever video games.

>>382863831
What?
I still think singlepayer is the most efficient. Singapore is a public singlepayer system with fees for different people. Unregulated free markets would not reach this level of efficiency but would be more efficient than a regulated or mixed market result in the largest deadweight loss. Because you are forcing trade past equilibrium.

>>382864138
Oh, my bad. I thought i was having a videogame discussion. Please return to cripplechan or /pol/ and never come back.

>>382864146
I don't think your theory plays out in reality because the US had higher healthcare costs than Singapore even before Obamacare. And most countries that have "single payer" actually have mixed systems. There are few countries where the government truly runs every aspect of healthcare.

>>382864282
I will happily go wherever you want me to, as long as you also agree to leave here for tumblr/Reddit whenever.

>>382850601

I mean... Project Diva does it.

>>382864384
it's funny you say that because signapore is one of those countries. Hence why it's more efficient. I don't think you seem to grasp how their system works. Payment is a deterent from abuse and a bit of a benefits recieved taxing system. It's still 100% government run.

>>382864514
>everyone who isn't a triggered snowflake fighting in some stupid culture war is from tumblr or reddit.
What if I just like videogames?

>>382864728
So their drugs and medical equipment are manufactured by the government?

>>382864810
If you just like videogames, then you could probably acknowledge the vast majority of the pressure for that type of game comes from polygon and other sources with a similar agenda. You didn't, which either means you are part of that group of people or are wilfully blind to their influence in the mainstream.

Likewise, you assume everyone who does notice must be part of /pol/, while recoiling if someone is as reductive of your position.

>>382865238
No.
I just don't care. People ar polygon like one type of videogame people from neogaf like another, people from /pol/ like a third.
I really don't care. I just like videogames. I mean you are basically upset that a bunch of people on some website like games you don't like games you don't like and advocate for more of them.
I just don't really care. I don't read polygon. I'm sure i like some of the same games. Dislike a lot more of the gsmes they like, and like games they don't. But again, more games come out every year that i like then i could ever play anyway. If polygon gets that same experience, even with different games, I am happy for them. Why should i be bootyblasted /pol/?

>>382865541
Very simply, because the type of people at Polygon aren't advocating for more games that appeal to them, they advocate for the destruction of games that do not. That is the big difference.

In the past, I advocated for simply ignoring them. If that is ehat they enjoy, okay, let them enjoy it. But by sheer exposure, I am aware that their goal isn't peaceful coexistence. It has not been for a long time. And, if you support their endeavor, you either support the agenda of non-coexistence or have been willfully ignorant.

>>382849646
kek

>>382849754
Can't wait for cheesy 90s voice acting quality again.
How about a Jill Sandwich?

>>382865874
Nobody is going to take away your videogames. Not even the mean lady with the blog or youtube videos. I don't support anyone. But just minutes ago you were QQing about games you don't like existing so you are one to talk.
Either away you have me sorely confused if you think i like polygon or click taco. They are a bunch of idiots on the internet i like to laugh at on occasion, but it's annoying how you guys obsess and don't shut the fuck up.
I mean they are the byzzfees of the industry. Just because i don't watch Alex Jones and yell on the internet about some glorified culture war, doesn't mean i suddenly support buzzfeed. No I'm just an adult who doesn't need something so stupid to feel important.

>>382854743
thiccen

>>382863145
All Simpsons episodes are bad nowadays and have been for at least 10 years now

>>382866485
I have to wonder if you're just trolling and I am wasting my time, because "nobody is coming to take your videogames away"is the exact line Polygon types used before Japanese studios began expressing concern they couldn't localize games as a result of their influence (this is the part of the conversation where you say that "doesn't count.") But, guess what, I also think the whole Alex Jones thing is stupid. But I want my fucking videogames, and people who support the people who literally do want to take them away do annoy me.

>>382849682
>royalties
>for fucking overpaid voice actors
wow

>>382850420
god I love this man

>>382853403
Dudebros don't care about voice acting. They just want to play the latest cowadoody game with their friends online.

>>382866983
Companies make decisions for financial reasons. They just say whatever the fuck to sell it. No different than DOAX3, you retards got baited hook line and sinker.
And i know you are too young too realize this but censorship of nip games has been a problem since the 80s or earlier, and while it's correlation not causation, it has gotten drastically better since polygon came into existence.

>>382849428

#performancedoesntmatter

>>382867389
Should we have just rolled the fuck over for Jack Thomson just because he was more recent? What the duck are you even saying? I suppose translations should go back to being almost byte for byte because that is the limitations that existed back in the SNES era?

Companies make desicions based on data, which is by no means exclusive to raw sales data. "Critical acclaim," by the likes of Polygon and Kotaku, shape the interpretation of said data very strongly. Or are you going to argue the 84 Metacritic for New Vegas had no effect?

The sad part is that there a lot of normies that side with the voice actors.
One guy I talked with said that games without voice acting are like curry without condiments, and yes he clarified that this applies to past games as well.

>>382858548
>Heath Ledger
I hate this fucker.

>>382849428
I don't see why these people believe that companies actually care about their work, it's not like there's a shortage of VAs around. The best performance so far this year was 9S from Nier, and he's a fucking nobody.

>>382853641
Games need a winning OR failure conditions. You can't lose in Gone Home, but you can win.

>All the faggot VAs unionizing and going on strike
>No one hires them
>We get some actual talents instead of the same three voices in all games
Everyone wins.

>>382849754
>Why do these pricks think that they deserve royalties over the artists/engineers that spend years of their life making a game?
Because they have a Union that looks out for them unlike said artists/engineers/programmers.

Dumbass voice actors who think they deserve more money than the devs

Aren't Seiyuus in Japan basically celebrities and get higher payment than the entire Animation Team combined?

They're about to talk themselves out of a job. Like >>382868017 said, there isn't shortage of VA's out there. Kids with their AT2020 mics would kill for a chance to get their foot in the industry, and get paid peanuts compared to VA vets. They need to stop and be humble before they overplay their hand.

>>382853171
>FFXII english voice acting
>good
Top kek. It's so awful and stilted
The jap version is so superior it's not even funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s0szVTP5fk

>>382868406
You don't have a union, you are a union. They became a union because they felt entitled to more money even though their profession only ever detracts from games.

>>382868783
That's because they do WAY more than just voice act compared to Western money whores. Concerts, commercials, the occasional TV show, etc. They're celebrities because they present themselves in many forms of media.

>>382868861
>Doesn't understand Japanese
>Claims the voice acting is better

>>382850713
I liked how Bamco handled the Ballot DLC for Smash 4. They gave the announcer VA like a hundred different characters to make calls of so he couldn't tell which was the one and didn't leak the winner

>>382868783
That's why publishers rarely do dual-audio for games. The licensing fee for 'em is ridiculous.

Oh, hey. Maybe we don't need Tara Strong and Yuri Lowenthal voicing literally everyone?

why is /v/ so anti-union?

>>382869271
Pendulum effect. Unions are traditionally a leftist concept and being leftist isn't popular right now. Ten years ago you'd see people make arguments for unions instead. In ten years it will shift again. It's just how it goes.

>>382869271
Come to America if you haven't, where both unions and corporations are often run under the same clique of fleecing Jews (kikes).

Speaking of which, unrelated but I highly recommend Anons in this topic Google "Lakewood, NJ"

>>382869582
>america
>unions

>>382869012
>Western money whores.

Woah there champ. Take off the weeb goggles for a minute and stop acting like your precious Seiyuus are not whoring for money just as much in a market that overvalues them.

>>382849428
>Voice actors want to receive as much as hollywood actors
Never mind the fact that hollywood actors are the biggest pieces of shit in the entire planet, there's absolutely no reason why modern day VAs should receive more than a programmer or an artist.

>>382869017
Now how do you know if I know nip or not?
It doesn't matter either way since you don't need to know the language to judge voice acting quality.

The jap one actually sounds natural, it achieves the effect of making the audience forget that a voice actor/actress behind the characters. The english one doesn't.

There's shitty jap va's out there and I can sniff them out but the ones in that video are all excellent and miles better than the eng ones.

>>382871183
>tfw a friend introduces you to one
Met Zoey Deutch. I thought these people were primadonnas but she was alright. Too bad she can only get on bad movies though.

>>382870685
The difference is that Seiyuus on average are of far higher quality than Burger VA's who work on vidya/anime.

>>382871589
>Zoey Deutch
I remember her. She was Zack's gf on that shitty Suite Life on Deck show.

>>382871589
>check her wiki page
>she's a jew
OF FUCKING COURSE

>>382849428
>vidya games
>consolshit

pick fucking one

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>>382871714
Are you seriously defending seiyuus that get 10x more than programmers and animators? For what fucking purpose?

>>382872521
I'm pretty sure the reason a lot of those shitty otaku-pandering games get sold in the first place is because of the Seiyuus.

Can't say the same for Burger VA's

>>382872596
So seiyuus are the equivalent of hollywood actors and those who buy those games are the equivalent of your average joe that watches a movie because Tom Cruise is in it.

>>382872596
>Can't say the same for Burger VA's

Not him but people got mad regarding the whole David Hayter and Keith Sutherland debacle involving Metal Gear Solid V. Plus another example is when Michael Ironside was replaced for Sam Fisher in Splinter Cell. Also when Rise was no longer voiced by Laura Bailey and got replaced by Ashly Burch. I think it happens sometimes over here, but probably not to the same extent over there.

>>382872773
You could compare it with Hollywood Movies but not with Western Vidya.

Not many people give a shit about voice acting in Western Games, whereas they do care about actors in Movies.

Seiyuu's are the Hollywood Celebrities of Japan

>>382873127
David Hayter is an amateur. Some fanboys made a big deal at first since he worked on the series for decades, but it soon passed and nobody gave a shit anymore and everyone was laughing at him and his butthurt outbursts on Twitter.

>>382849428
Is that Inspector/Detective FMV any good?