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Hahahaha

Starved for games Sonyfags already bought >1m Undertale copies.
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>>382839768
you can buy it already?
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how does flowey closing your window work on playstation?

(fuck spoilers)
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>>382839937

probably sends you back to main menu?
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>>382839937
vita and ps4 have operating systems
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>>382839937
Sends you back to the main menu.
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>>382839768
Anyone notice that Toriel looks a lot like Rupert Bear's Mother? You know that Rupert cartoon about the white bear boy.
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>All Vita has is Neptunia and Undertale
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>>382839768
Can't blame them, Undertale was a great game.
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>>382840415
Well NEP is a MASTERPIECE
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>>382839937
You ever play Tearaway?
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>>382840557
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>>382839768
thank god japan is into undertale now. kemono undertale rule 34 is sweet
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>>382839768
How much does it cost, 10$ or so?
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>>382839768
hope we get more asriel porn from this
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>>382840557
Holy shit my penis.
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>>382839768
fuck yes. we'll be rolling in goatmom doujins come next comiket
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>>382840608
what game is this
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>>382840557
What Nep game?
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Undermeme is shit, but at least there will be more kemoshota porn.
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>>382839768
>still no hardmode
Fuck Toby, I hope he stubs his toe
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>>382839768
the million isnt referring to console sales, it's not even out on PS4/vita
it sold 3 million on PC, which is what the million hit is referring to
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>>382841071
this t b h
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https://blog.us.playstation.com/2017/06/13/undertale-is-coming-to-playstation/

I don't know why but for some reason reading the announcement on the PS blog makes me want to kill myself
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>>382839768
Woah, so this is the power... of the ps4...

But seriously, fuck undertale. It was a game that didn't even deserve its popularity. Fuck, if this game was made by anyone else (mostly just known game studios), the fucking morons that call themselves game reviewers would quickly call out the stupid, cringy dialogue and bad characters. But nope, it was made by one guy, so of course it's literally a masterpiece.

pic related is the only good character that came from the game, and wasn't even made by toby fox.
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Any added content for the Vita version?
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You guys should fucking get on your knees and praise Tobyfox for not going maximum shill with his autistic fanbase like FnAF did and made 500 games and licensed all his shit for clothes/movies/posters etc

This series could have easily gone that route and has kept the autism to the maximum low.
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>>382841647
I'm sure Toby Fox is such an influential motherfucker, all the game journalists were lining up to suck his dick because he made an Earthbound hack and did music for Homestuck.
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>>382841471

Because it's the type of lolsoquirky shit Earthbound fags do all the time, and think they're being deep and emotional or some shit, and unlike Starman.net Toby Fox is taken seriously.

I'm really tired of this "I act like a child because I don't want to be edgy" meme.
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>>382840601
Shit
Well i wanted to
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>>382841903
He fucked up by not doing that. Undertale is huge. Could have had so much cash...
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>>382841903

The only reason he's not doing that is because he knows it would be a death sentence.

Game journalists hyped up his game as the 2nd coming for all the wrong reasons, and not only would they turn on him in future titles, the fanbase won't be happy unless it could surpass that title.
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how easy is it to hack a playstation tv nowadays? I heard someone developed a way to use a real sd card with it instead of sony's overpriced shit. I dont want a vita, but id like to have all my ps1 and like 3 vita games on it.
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>>382840557
>>382840608
People pay for this trash?
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>>382841917
I don't understand the retards hating on Toby Fox, he is at least as talented as a top movie director, it is rare for someone to program, game design, plus write the story, art and music.

That, and he isn't showing off wealth or success, and is probably content to live in a small house with his millions of dollars.
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>>382839768
>haha consolefags, you cant play this "great" game!
>haha consolefags, you bout that "great" game cause your starved.
And people still dont want to admit that the biggest cancer on this site is PCfags. Open your fucking eyes
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>>382839768
>yokotaro retweeted
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>>382839768
Thanks for beta testing PC cucks. Sony wins again.
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>>382842113
>People rehash their games
Fucking jew
>People do't rehash their games
The could have made so much money

Never change /v/
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>>382841903
>maximum low
minimum you barbarian
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>>382841647
Muffet is fucking trash and so is your taste.
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>>382841917
I wasn't saying he was an influence and thus was the reason it got high reviews.


I'm saying if this game wasn't an indie game made by one unknown guy and was made by a corporate game studio, the game reviewers would have quickly shit on the whole thing from the cringy lines to the bottom of the barrel character archetypes and would have called out the studio for trying to make a such a shitty "Hip for the kids" game.
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>>382841903
He did this because he knows his fanbase is retarded manchildren. They dont buy that shit. Works for fnaf cause its fanbase is children.
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>>382841647
This is the stupidest thing I've read today. Very very few reviewers knew who the fuck toby fox was back when they reviewed UT.
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>>382840601
Picked up
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>>382841647
>f-fuck this game for succeeding i wish it failed
Jealousy
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>>382842657
There were tons of children playing this.
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>>382841903
>You guys should fucking get on your knees and praise Tobyfox for not going maximum shill with his autistic fanbase like FnAF did

>DON'T STREAM OR SPEED RUN MY GAME FOR A WHOLE YEAR OR ELSE IT MIGHT RUIN THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE
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IT'S NOT FAIR BROS
WE TRIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FAR, BUT IN THE END, IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
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>>382839768
>EOP makes up bullshit based on machine tl like the retard he is because he cant read japanese
>dumb EOPs gobble it up

classic
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>>382842792
Yeah this shit was read out in my school assembly.
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>>382839768
I am interested to see if they updated it AT ALL. Watch gastor is a ps4 exclusive boss fight.
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>>382843002
He only asked that the game not be shown at GDQ, the biggest speedrun stream thing, not that it not be streamed or speedrun at all.
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>japanese
Does that mean taro finally gets to play it? I heard he wanted to
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>>382839768
>no hard mode yet
lazy bitch
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>>382842752
>Jealousy
No, just more annoyed how, thanks to undershit, every game that even just looks slightly like undertale is compared to it, even games made before it or have no similarities to it at all.
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>>382843002
What did snek meme by this?
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>11yo brother watched autistic undertale videos on youtube
>ended up asking me to download him the game
>he did a full genocide run

was proud of him for a moment. then he went back to fucking cawadooty and gta.
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>>382843394
anime so hates everything western even if it's good
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>>382843232
Read the very top of the picture anon.
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>>382839768
Toby motherfucking Fox is so goddamn rich
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>>382843359
>thing is compared to another well known thing
>this makes me upset
you won't get far in life
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>>382843359
Lisa was inspired by the same thing Undertale was. The two games were compared before Undertale ever took off.
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>>382843564
Wow what a fucking coincidence
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>>382843724
Well what the fuck kinda answer are you expecting?
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>>382843359
Blame the children, anon, not the fanbase in general or the game.
Children will always be a cesspool of shit, unless some of them are smart cookies.
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>>382843002
Oh no. Not the let's players. How dare he.
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>>382843575
Post more tobyposting
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>>382841903
>You guys should fucking get on your knees and praise Tobyfox for not going maximum shill with his autistic fanbase
Firstly kill yourself but secondly, he should have not made this shit game to begin with faggot
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>>382842752
>whoah how can you care about your hobby being filled with hyped bad games and cancer if a few devs can get big money? you are just jealous if you don't worship the wealthy even if that goes against yout interests.
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>>382843359
Dumb comparisons are not the fault of the game nor the guy that made it. You may as well call Miyazaki a shitter because people call everything the "Dark Souls of whatever genre".
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The only reason Undertale got so popular is because journalists shilled the hell out of it because it had gay characters, and they weren't even actual gay characters, they were part of the Japanese character types the weeb dev made most of the characters drop into.

Because it was done by a western dev, the journalists actually liked it, not knowing they were based on problematic Japanese characters they hate.

Look at people like Anthony Burch, who were a pushing a "It's Earthbound, but good" narrative.

At the same time, if this was a Japanese dev, they'd hate it, and everyone on /v/ would be the ones praising it as the holy grail of vidya.
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>>382844378
Honestly at this point the only rational explanation is that /pol/tards are all schizophrenic, just skim through 4chan text and are hallucinating must of the things they claim to have seen and read.
I am sorry but what you just wrote is just some conspiracy theory without any basis in reality.
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>>382840557
>this is nep
For some reason I just assumed it was one of those rpg japs games, but no it's just pamdering weeb trash
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>>382844378
>journalists shilled the hell out of it because it had gay characters
This literally never happened
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>>382844856
Undertale has gay characters dude, I'm sorry you're just now learning about this
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>>382843936
who's the other guy
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>>382845097
Andrew Hussie, the creator of Homestuck. It's best not to talk about him.
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>>382845168
Didn't he also make a fucktonne of money? I mean the comic was wildly successful.
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>>382842286
I think playstation tv can work with normal flash drives as well

But I THINK thats what I heard
/HBG/ is a good source for info but unironically look up vitahacks on reddit
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>>382844904

Kotaku, Polygon and the like were jerking it off for months because of that, they even start writing whole articles for single tweets from Toby Fox.
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>>382845282
BECAUSE it was successful, which meant they'd get a load of views.
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>>382839768
Is that the version that comes with the heart locket with a music box inside that plays the Asriel music? Was their any doubt that people were going to eat that shit up? Toby-kun knew exactly what he was doing.
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>>382844856

>I don't like what he said, I better activate my /pol/ card
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>>382844378
>forgetting the fact that Fox was tied with Homestuck which got him the tumblr crowd
Multiple factors faggot
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>>382840608
I can never play video games again knowing this was all it was leading to.
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>>382845221
He's currently funding his own game that has taken five years to make and restarted development three times. He once set up an office in the middle of Manhattan to make the game, only to close it down and scrap all the work. What I'm trying to say is, he's probably going broke.
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>toby isn't a social justice wa-
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>>382840601
That's pretty cool
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>>382845395

It wasn't just that, they wanted Undertale to be the new "Citizen Kane of video games".

It was progressive enough for them to push as that game, they worked hard to get it where it is today.
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>>382845563
There's nothing particularly jarring in that statement.
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>>382845563
Who are you quoting?
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So can we all at least agree Lisa was a better indie game than Undermeme?
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>>382845563
>tl;dr: eat shit, faggots
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>>382845845
No.
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>>382840608
What Nep game is this?
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>>382845563

He's forced to be now that the journalists pushed his game as the SJW agenda game.

He was pretty redpilled in the beginning, shitting on the media for painting his game as progressive, but as time went on, he slowly drank the kool-aid.
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>>382845845
Can we agree that you shouldn't value other people's opinions as much as you do?
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>>382845042
see >>382844904
SJW journalists basically shoeshorned whole great analysis about the game having gay characters after the hype to try to get themselves attention from Undertale's popularity, not the other way around and the true core demographic of Undertale is more Reddit and FNAF kiddies, not even Tumblr.
You are right about these types to latch on anything progressive-looking as long as it's not outweighted by "problematic" fanservice but almost all lesbians in japanase games are there for very obvious fanservice reasons, not really because muh japon.
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>>382845959
How so? Hes pretty reserved.
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>>382845959
That Earthbound ROM hack is from before Undertale.
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>>382845845
Eh
LISA wasn't all that hot either
The RPG aspect was ass
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>>382846178

Yeah, but that text is recent.
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>>382845563
>whoah andronuts is an edgy self-hating repressed fag, that's sjw
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>>382846305
Where's it from?
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>Very popular game.
>First time available on consoles.
>First "official" Japanese release.
>On a console with a very attach rate.
>Japanese love shipping characters.
Of course it's doing well. Why wouldn't it?
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>>382846164

He said he "wasn't thinking progressively" when he paired up the characters, and the gay characters were only a joke.

Now that the journalists are pushing his game as progressive, he's acting like that was always the intention.
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>>382845959
It's not true though.
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>>382845845
LISA is annoying to play. Undertale might be barebones but at least the systems it does have don't seem to want to drive the player away.
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>>382846459
So that was a grotesque exageration.
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>>382846524

It is, but okay.
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>>382846627

How is it an exaggeration?
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>>382844903
How can it be trying to be japanese if it was literally made in Japan?
t. Inigo
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>>382841471
>Q: Do the PS4 and Vita versions have any new content?
>A: The tutorial frog NPC that talks about pressing F4 to go full-screen has slightly different dialogue now. I apologize to die-hard fans of the tutorial frog.

FUCKING DROPPED
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>/v/ now hates LISA because someone is shitting on undertale
you can't make this shit up. Do these people not know how much the board actually liked LISA when it came out?
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>>382846305
So? He still made a ROM hack where he made Dr Andonuts gay. I'm not sure what's "red-pilled" about that.
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>>382842113
According to him, Undertale isn't a brand or product. It's something he was legitimately passionate about and is probably what you'd describe as him bearing his soul to the world. The only reason he even let Fangamer make merch for him when he turned down offers from substantially bigger folk was only because Fangamer is literally run by old friends of his (Asgore is even partially influenced by the company head).

In that light, it makes sense he doesn't want to milk it. Undertale was never about money, it just happened to be a massive side-effect.
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>>382846985

There's a difference between making a gay character and making a "progressive" gay character.
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Is the game actually bad?
Never understood the hate
Is the hate just children being children?
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>>382847110
It is bad
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>>382847028

Do you seriously believe any of that bullshit?
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>>382842628
I notice people say this a lot. They dismiss criticism by saying it's impressive for just one guy.
But that's not what anyone should be taking into account when judging the quality of a game. The reason it works though is that their standards are lowered going in. They know it's an ugly indie game made by one dude in his basement before they play the game, they're just curious. Then when the game does something even marginally well to surpass those standards they had already set, they become incredibly impressed. Even more so if it keeps surprising them. However, if they went into it with higher expectations to begin with, knowing that it was made by a huge group of people with cutting edge technology and visuals, that game will have an incredibly difficult time surpassing those sky high expectations, even when every step of the way the quality outshines that of the indie.
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>>382847070
What is the difference and can you show some dialogue from the mod to support your claim?
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>>382847173
Bad like BotW?
Or bad like the ET game from atari?
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I'm going to get the Collector's Edition, and while it's far from the only reason I'm going to do it, I'm struggling to not take some perverse, immature glee at the fact that someone out there is going to be fucking furious that I did. I know it's childish but shit, it feels good.
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>>382847028
So basically he let them make shitty products because it gives him and his friends more money? Gotcha. Yeah, totally not a sellout
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>>382847179
He really is that kind of person. Just trust me on this.
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>>382844378
Undertale got popular because the fandom part of tumblr wanted something similar to [OFF] and Space Funeral to play while waiting out four simultaneous hiatuses and they'd already gotten bored of both Dangan Ronpa and DrammaticalMurder
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>>382846979
/v/ virtue-signals as hard as any SJW. It's just that it takes the form of yelling "NEVER LIKED IT! ALWAYS HATED IT! EVERY GAME LIKE IT IS SHIT!" because something is popular, especially with the 'wrong crowd', instead of praising Islam and Anita Sarkeesian on twitter. Both are equally pathetic.
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>>382847028
>Undertale was never about money
Which is why he made a deal with a multi billion dollar corporation to sell his $10 indie game for $60 and localize it for other countries for maximum profit
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>>382847306
Look at the review scores and I think you'll get an idea
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>>382847342

Yeah no, I was a member of Starman.net a long time ago, I know how people like him act.

If you want a actual honest man, look at the guy who made Cave Story, a man who Toby Fox clearly wishes he could be.
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>>382847564
Toby Fox probably has the foresight to not let a terrible publisher buy his IP and create bad ports though
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>>382847285

Making a character gay for progressive brownie points is different from making a character who happens to be gay, or in Undertale's case, a joke character.

>post dialogue

Yeah no, I'm not playing an outdated rom hack to take a screencap.
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>>382847070
He took a major Earthbound character and turned him gay in his fanfiction story. I don't understand how you can construe that as the decision of someone that is red-pilled.
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Is the Sans fight easier or harder with a gamepad?
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>>382847878
Harder
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>>382847179
>>382847336
He really has that weird communal mentality and is squandering his Undertale money by trying to support himself and the families of several of his friends.
>I know how people like him act.
Projection.
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>>382847660

You think the Playstation port is just gonna be a one time thing or something?
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>>382840608
So this is the power of the PSVita... Woah
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>>382847110
It's not a bad game per say, but it has been blown way the fuck out of proportion.
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>>382848015
Looks more fun than undermeme
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>>382847872

>Making a character gay in an edgy fanfic game by a literal 15 year-old is suddenly progressive

I'm sure the people who made gay Bowser jokes are also SJWs.
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>>382847260
The inventiveness, charming characters and fantastic soundtrack are all better than most AAA studios can manage, though, and there's a pretty severe deficit of EarthBound-inspired games with the level of polish that Undertale shows. You could say LISA, but the kind of asshole "haha you died/had a negative experience because you didn't know you could do it here and now you suffer the consequences" gameplay that it uses for a lot of its humor can fall flat for a lot of people.
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>>382847504
Something being not as good as the review scores suggest doesn't make it bad.
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>>382846985
mad max had gay antagonists in the 80s. it wasn't progressive in any way.
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>>382847963
The PS ports probably play the same as the original-- not sped up
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>>382842238

Fanbases are fickle fuckers in general. The Homestuck fandom was about as huge as Undertale's back in the day, and everyone stopped giving a shit overnight
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>>382840557
>>382840608
How do I obtain giant Neps? What game?
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>>382847937

You left out the part where I said he was a Starman.net fag, and they were all egotistical autists who acted like they were nicest people in the world.

Same reason I left that shithole.

There's no projection in that at all.
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>>382848097
>gay Bowser jokes
Absolutely, just a joke haha.
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>>382848138

>probably
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>>382848264
>The Homestuck fandom was about as huge as Undertale's back in the day, and everyone stopped giving a shit overnight

Motherfucker you don't know. There was an 8-month hiatus for A6A6A6, not even the first hiatus in excess of 6 months, and then we got another 3 month hiatus to get an admittedly pretty good ending flash. And now we're on hiatus again waiting for a fucking epilogue! It's madness!
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>>382846230
At least LISA is a RPG.
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>>382848138
>not even the PS4 can run Undertale at 60fps
lül
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>>382848318

I meant the SO LONG GAY BOWSER jokes, not the people who fap to hard bara of him and make husbando threads
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>>382848115
I'll give you great soundtrack, but that's shared by a great deal of games. The characters are hit or miss and arguably the only reason any truly enjoys the game. The "inventiveness" amounts to little more than 4th wall breaks, which have been done many times.

Even if I completely agreed with all three of those statements, to say it's better than most triple AAA studios can manage is absurd.
If a AAA studio made Undertale, people would have laughed their asses off and thought it was a bizarre joke.
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>>382848115
>charming characters
>retarded Font is literally Shikamaru but with more EDGE
>even more retarded Font is just a typical dumb character
>GOATMOM HURR is your typical shounen mother if their ever was one
>Smelly fish is your typical STRONK shy girl
>DUDE ANIME!!! dinosaur is your generic nerdy/socially awkward character

Yeah "Charming".
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>>382847110
whether you like it or hate it depends entirely on how well Radiation's sense of humour aligns with your own

mechanically the game works fine. its a turn based rpg where on the enemy's turn you play a bullet hell minigame trying to dodge increasingly weird attacks and on your turn you try to figure out which nonviolent means of interactions will pacificy the foe, which generally revolves around some kind of joke based on the kind of monster attacking you. alternatively, you kill every last motherfucker in an orgy of non-depicted violence just to see what happens.

A lot of people get mad when you say it was the best game of 2015 but 2015 was really bad year for gaming so that wasn't hard to top
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I can't wait to play "If you kill your enemies, they win" the game!

Thanks to this game, I know now to try and talk my way out of a knife fight before I try stabbing back.
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>>382848619
character archetypes are a thing, yes
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>>382848639
>but 2015 was really bad year for gaming so that wasn't hard to top
Bloodborne
Witcher 3
Rocket League
Splatoon

And that's just off the top of my head. Undertale didn't deserve to come even close to GOTY, and it rightfully did not.
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>>382848543
> The "inventiveness" amounts to little more than 4th wall breaks, which have been done many times.

Please, anon, do me a solid. Name me 5 games that have fourth-wall breaks like Undertale from, let's say, less than 5 years in its release window.

>Even if I completely agreed with all three of those statements, to say it's better than most triple AAA studios can manage is absurd.

But it is, though. Most games have completely unmemorable soundtracks, and underwritten characters, and don't feature any of the meta-narrative stuff that did a lot to secure its popularity and get its fanbase buzzing.
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>>382848830
Pulling out a knife is literally the worst thing you can do if you get a knife pulled on you.
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>>382848543
>The "inventiveness" amounts to little more than 4th wall breaks, which have been done many times.
some of those 4th wall breaks were pretty impressive. Like Flowey trapping you in his final boss fight by overwriting your save, so even if you try to quit and reload you don't go anywhere
I've never seen that in a game before, closest I know of is that one infamous visual novel where the yandere girl invades your NG+ attempts
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>>382849067
things released before the end of the financial year don't count
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>>382849172
didn't even notice that because the boss fight was cinematic and nearly impossible to lose iirc
not as bad as asriel but still
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>>382848830
if you kill your enemies, nobody wins.
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>>382849383
Then you should say "the 2015 financial year was bad for gaming" instead
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>>382848858
But the characters have been done before, in much more better series none the less, so not charming, just generic and boring. But than again, you're probably one of the types of people who go "fuck weaboos games" while watching steven universe and jerking it to futa porn
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>>382849131
Unless your knife is bigger than theirs.
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>>382839768
The massive hateboner /v/tards have for this game amuses me.
Undertale threads will without fail produce the most retarded of posts
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>>382846979
/v/ liked Undertale when it came out too. You really can't trust these niggers.
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>>382839768

I hope this means a lot more Undertale porn.
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>>382849637

It was FotM.

/v/ only start hating it when it overstayed it's welcome.
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>>382849496
If you want to talk about characters being done before I implore you to read any book. Undertale has decent writing and several gags that can only work within its mechanics, so don't act like it's a pointless attempt and holy moly talk about projecting with the /jp/ vs /co/ shit out of nowhere.
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is this a limited run thing? I'd want the collectors but don't want to get raped by scalpers
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>it's another /v/ starts hating a game because it got too popular episode
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>>382843291
>Thinking hard mode was ever real
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>>382849172
this kind of shit is easy to do in gamemaker tho
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>>382849496
>Because things were done already, nothing else should even exist!

This logic is so fucking retarded. If it were up to you RE4 would be the only game of its type, because apparently it existing means stuff like Mass Effect 1 is boring and shitty. But here we go I guess.

Please, anon, name me a better version of the characters in Undertale and give me a reason as to why they invalidate the charm of those types of characters.
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>>382839768
>Come, you.
>From today onwards, this will be your class.
Would that be a correct translation? Unless Kurasu refers to something else.

Btw, is the entire game in hiragana? Might have to give it a try.
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>>382849637

This is because of neo-/v/

People are hating the game because of the cancerous fanbase. In reality, you are only shitting on yourself if you hate something just because other people do

I got myself undertale because i played Toby's earthbound hack and enjoyed the music despite the 3 edgy 5 you shit and i didn't regret it because i knew the music was good
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>>382839768
Undertale was a pretty fun game, glad it's coming to other platforms.
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>>382849071
>Most games have completely unmemorable soundtracks, and underwritten characters
You realize people can say the exact same thing about Undertale if they wanted to? The meta-narrative stuff is hit or miss as well. Personally I would've much rather had the gameplay be actually fun, then to be goaded into killing toriel because the game wants me to reload.
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>>382849779
>/v/ only start hating it when it overstayed it's welcome.

That's bullshit. Undertale was FotM, but /v/ hates everything FotM because of a childish notion that cynicism is more cultured than optimism. I can't honestly think of a single FotM fad that didn't get torn apart by /v/ for some reason or another.
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>>382841903
I don't see why I should care about how other people spend their money. How does six different FNAF games affect me in anyway?
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>>382849582
Yeah, like that one Kermit guy that had an autistic meltdown and wrote an essay on people not liking the game
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>>382850204
He was right though. Angry, but right.
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>>382850141

FotM gets nonstop threads that fill the whole board, there's a reason they're hated.

Undertale had the unfortunate timing of coming out around MGSV, so the catalog was nothing but Undertale and MGSV for a whole month.
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>>382850141
If underfags had contained themselves to a thread or two and been reasonable, you know damn well they wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as much shit. If you don't think the fans were utter dogshit after the game came out and were a huge nuisance to the board, then you were one of them and blind to it.
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>>382850204
>autistic
>essay
>It's one post long
Why are /v/goers so averse to reading? Too many winter nights spent playing League of Legends instead of with books?
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>>382850278
There it is. The most autistic post in history.
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>>382850348
>>382850336
Zelda made up 90% of the catalog for the entire month of its release and no one complained.
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>>382850278

never fails to give me second hand embarrassment
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>>382850204

>guy gets mad ever
>durr autist le autist autism autismal lelele autsitic

fucking end your life
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>>382850204
>wrote an essay
>1-1.5 paragraphs with reddit spacing is considered an essay

u wot m8?
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>>382850449
>>382850512
>calls someone out for hating a game for not playing it and saying you can't talk about a game
>"wow so autistic and embarrassing"
I hate neo-/v/
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>>382850457
Zelda is a video game, not a visual novel
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>>382849460
>boss fight was cinematic and nearly impossible to lose iirc

Anon you are literally required to die at least once to keep going
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>>382850449
>>382850512
you cunts are sad
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>>382850539
LMAO are you the guy that wrote that post? Don't worry, you're really popular on Reddit, tell your mom that
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>>382848015
TINY CLIMBS IN NOIRE FUCKING TIT
I need this game
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>>382850580
>first says the reason was because of thread spam
>then moves the goalposts
Nah it's just Nintendies being allowed to do it but any other video game discussion makes it turn bad.
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>>382850131
>You realize people can say the exact same thing about Undertale if they wanted to?

I see. Let me provide examples then.

How many tracks will people actually remember from, say, The Evil Within? Or Far Cry 4? Or Borderlands, or Wolfenstein, or X-Com? The fact is, most music in video games isn't very memorable, because if it was the music in Undertale wouldn't be so notable. The characters being poorly or underwritten part could be explained academically because I jerk off to stuff like that, but it'd exceed the character limit, would rely on the genre of Undertale as opposed to most games, and would hardly be objective as there's no way I could've played most games or possibly talk about them. I'd have to pick seminal examples, and then I'd be in the wrong because Undertale isn't the seminal example of its genre. I'd have to write a fucking dissertation on it, and that's not me.
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>>382850585
Nope. Not once are you required to die.
Not even in the very last fight.
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>>382850512
Most reddit post so far.
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>>382850278
Every time someone posts this as an "epic own" it gets more pathetic
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>>382850336
>>382850348
>FotM is ubiquitous when it comes out
>Hated because of its fanbase and popularity, not because of the game's quality

Thanks for agreeing with me I guess
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>>382850664

You'd know everything about reddit wouldn't you, you even capitalize it.
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>>382850457
That's simply not true. It got, and is still getting, it's fair share of shitposting. Do you really think the console fanboys would leave that alone?

I ended up not even liking BotW, but it helps that it's a much more impressive and deserving game than undertale.
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>>382850278
Pure aurism

Why are underonies so cringe?
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>>382839768
Or there are a bunch of people who heard good things about Undertale and wanted to play it on their preferred console.

Reach harder, autismo.
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>it's another "/v/ circlejerks about how cool they are for hating Undertale" thread
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>>382841471
It's probably the way that the he wrties down "actions" in parenthesis like a early 2000's chatroom
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>>382850278
>He was right
"No"
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>>382850828
I do agree with you. Undertale isn't a bad game and doesn't deserve the shit it gets. It has been blown way, way out of proportion though and is nowhere near as good as people claim.
The fanbase absolutely deserved to be shit on. They made things so worse than just a typical FotM game.
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Dino nerd stole best girl from me. 2/10 game
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>>382851054
>hating games without playing them and outright forbidding video game discussion is right
"No"
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>>382841471
>However, after a year had passed, I realized the “goal” hadn’t been absolutely completed. The games that had inspired me came from Japan, but Japanese audiences were not able to play the game easily…
lol that reminded me of those posts on 2chan where people are bitching at other people for not learning english and begging for translations
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>>382849131
yeah youre supposed to pull a gun
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I want to fuck the robot.
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>>382850852
The game is set up in such a way that it practically demands overanalysis.

The kind of person that is more interested in the analysis of a game then the game itself, and enjoys the feeling of smugness at understanding the depth of a work, but only because it invites them... that's the Homestuck audience.
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>>382850889
Then leave, you dumb faggot. Go back to tumblr if you want to discuss this garbage.
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>>382840601
how does it compare to the vita edition?
I really liked poking my finger through the world and seeing my room in the background.
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>>382850697
That's still entirely subjective. You list a few titles that you can't remember the music from and I can list my own personal titles with soundtracks that I love, like Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze or the entire Etrian Odyssey series.
Personally, the only song I can remember from my time with undertale is san's fight, and that's not even because I bothered with genocide, but because it was posted pretty often by others after release.
You're trying to use an entirely subjective measure to sound objective and it doesn't work that way.
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>>382851558
Contrarians should be first to leave
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>>382839768
alright japs don't fail me now
i need more lewd goats
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>>382843002
In the case of undertale, where the player is considered a character, yes that would ruin the experience for people who haven't played.
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>>382850449
>>382850512
>>382850664
>>382850810
posters reflexively getting defensive because they are the cancer killing /v/ the guy in the image is mad about.
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>>382850131
Regardless of if you think the game is fun, it's at least better from the old RPG's it was attempting to mimic, right?
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>>382851468
That completely explains people obsessing over shit like Gaster. Fucker doesn't even appear in the game and speaks in wingdings and people still jerk off to him. It's insane.
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>>382851558
Go back to /pol/ if you are triggered by anything "progressive"-looking.
/v/ is not a political board.
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>>382851659
You coming here to bitch about how people who arent braindamaged dont like your favorite pile of shitty memes makes you contrarian, you dumb shit
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>>382851659
>U only don like my Tumblr game because ur contrarian!!!!
Try harder man.
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>>382851558
>Stop discussing videogames
>/v/ - Video Games
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>>382851763
>>382851782
Why do /v/kiddies get so butthurt at the very mention of Undertale? These threads are pure Autism and entertainment.
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>>382851797
This is the same excuse Katawa Shoujo fags used before they were permanently BTFO and exiled to /vg/
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>>382843002
>character at game at one point asks what kind of loser watches people play video games instead of playing them themself
>of course its the meanest guy in the game so grain of salt
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>>382851890
Saying that a videogame is a videogame is an excuse?
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>>382851757
Its got nothing to do with it being "progressive", in fact its pretty homophobic. Its just fucking garbage made by homostuck fans for a strictly braindamaged tumblr audience.

>>382851797
>Undertale is a videogame
lmao

>>382851856
>calling a bad game bad is "LOL UR BUTTHURT"
Feel free to leave any time, you're not wanted.
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>>382843002
>implying that wasn't a futile attempt to damage control the cancer
motherfucker should have been handing lets players free DMCAs tbqh
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>>382851890
What is wrong with Katawa Shoujo?
How is that even similar?
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>>382851890
Katawa Shoujo was put to /vg/ because of the /vg/ clause and nothing else.
You're too new to even remember the process of the game's creation, which this board was a part of. Then again the people then are nothing like the spergs here now.
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Huge motherfag here, what were you motherfags thoughts on it?

I can't say I cared for it personally. It has its moments, the papyrus battle is honestly a truly memorable scene, but I found it too annoying with how much "internet culture" seems to be seen. I don't think many memes were really brought up, only gutman's ass with the sound effect used, but the stuff like "anime is real" just came off as a bit cringy to me. While the gameplay is definitely unique I find it really is annoying for multiple encounters. Encountering an enemy for the first time is great, then doing it again is just annoying and feels like a time waster. The soundtrack is pretty great though, I genuinely think Toby did good on that.
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>>382852000
You don't own that website.
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>>382851659
Not liking a shitty ripoff of Earthbound isn't contrarian tumblrtard.
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>>382851994
Where you do think are you?
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>>382840557
EDF
EDF
EDF
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>>382851890
Visual Novels aren't games, they belong on /lit/ with all the other illustrated children's books
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>>382852000
>calling a bad game bad
If only that was the only thing going on in this thread. The shit ITT is advanced Autism. Ragefits and textual vomit that shows why /v/ is considered a shitposting board by crossboarders.
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>>382850278
The post is good but the screencap is cancer, just trim everything else out.
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>two years later Undertale still gets /v/ really upset
Bravo Toby
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>>382852060
No, /vg/ was made to contain KS along with LoL and SC2, everything else is fluff.

Yeah I was here for it's creation and I didn't care cause I don't care for VNs, sad that the only game this board made was glorified drawfag shit
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>>382852000
Is undertale not a videogame?

Can you define a videogame for me?
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Undertale was edgy as fuck tbqh
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>>382852196
post yfw this shit's still going on in 2022
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>>382852203
The only thing /v/ would make now is a literal meme game so you shouldn't get upset by that fact.
Hell even /vp/ has done more work than /v/ with Pokemon Clover
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Thinking that games you don't like should be forbidden is litteraly autism though.
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>>382852261
What was edgy about it?
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>>382852172
>The shit ITT is advanced Autism
Its adequately responding to a blatantly shit thread, the only reason this "game" gets talked about is due to the GameFAQ's shitshow.

>>382852219
Something subjectively not shit, Undertale fails that one specification.
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>>382839768
Can't wait for more Asriel porn
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>>382852203
KS was /a/ though.
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>>382852219
Not ut
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>>382852196
>>382852336
>Undertale will forever be a permanent easy trigger for making the average /v/ kiddie throw a fit
>even when the rest of the internet has long forgotten Undertale, Undertale threads will still exist on /v/ out of pure butthurt and Autism
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>>382852398

The ultimate power being the souls of dead children
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>>382849637
/v/ only liked it for the furporn
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>>382852000
>its pretty homophobic

Can you explain further?
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>>382852438
>Something subjectively not shit

Oh shit Deus Ex isn't a game, bad news boys
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minecraft has the highest adoption rate of almost any game ever on almost every console ever, so its really no surprise. the only thing higher is botw on the switch. guess that happens when youve got literally nothing to play
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>Sonyfags want a game that went to shit after the 2nd boss battle
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>>382852438
>Something subjectively not shit
By this definition and the definition of subjectivity anything can be a video game.
Good job adding to the retardation
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>>382852525
How is that edgy though?
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>>382852651

It's babbies first edge,

You use dead children/babies when you want to be shocking and edgy.
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>>382852438
>Something subjectively not shit

You understand what subjective means, right?
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>>382851754
It also explains why there are SO MANY videos about the themes of Undertale and how everything is SO connected, but there's another layer.

The game is definitely emotional, but it hits a sweet spot where it never spells any of its deep lore out, but makes it very easy to imply.

But we hit that zone where there has been so much analysis of it that the number of people that have watched or read other people analyze it is exponentially greater then people that have actually played it.

And because those secondhand fans can fill in the gaps of the story however they want, they can proceed to interpret it however they want - resulting in all sorts of shitty misrepresentations by fanart, and all sorts of poorly-thought fourthhand opinions and misrepresentations on /v/ based even more poorly-thought thirdhand analyses.

Most of the haters on /v/ probably didn't play the game, but most of the fans are also guilty of this.

I hate to make the comparison, but its probably going to go down as a vidya classic that few people actually play, but a lot of people have to know to be a REAL gamer.
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>>382852536
Two Royal Guards, based on the people Toby got harassed by in High School and how they're "actually super gay inside"

>>382852550
Deus Ex is objectively not shit, therefor its a game.

>>382852649
Anything is a game compared to Undertale.
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>>382851078
This, fanbase ruins a decent game. Just as much as cancer as FnAF fans.
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>>382852453
local comic shop has this album for $140, should I?
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Why do you care so much about people liking what you don't like.
At worst they just have shit tastes.
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>>382852747
Undertake stomps the shit out of Deus ex, which is virtually unplayable by today's standards
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>>382852787
Because its shitposting, posting it because they know its shit.

>>382852817
You're being too blatant.
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>>382852730
But the point of that wasn't to shock the player in any way and it's such a small part of the overall plot. In fact it's mentioned very few times.

Couldn't you also look at it like, the memories and souls of those that have died have the power to bring about good & bad things?

I get where you're coming from but I never got the feeling it was specifically chosen to try and shock people.
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>>382852845
You are autistic.
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>>382852747
>Anything is a game compared to Undertale.
I guess standing perfectly still doing nothing is a video game
Turbo-autists like you easily back themselves into corners, 10 years later and people like you will still go into a rage if this game is mentioned
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>>382852938
...okay, does this make me wrong? autistic people know the earth revolves around the moon, do you?
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I would have enjoyed Undertale a lot more if the lolsorandum skeleton stayed as a simple joke character from the beginning of the game, and the meme robot was removed entirely.
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>>382852747
>Something subjectively not shit is a video game
>But now he's bringing up objective measurement

Sorry Deus Ex babby, it's a movie now. Enjoy your shitty MGS4 clone with pseudo-intellectual conversations
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>>382843359
LISA came out like a year before Undertale?
Game Theory is so thirsty for those Undertale views
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>>382852967
>I guess standing perfectly still doing nothing is a video game
No cause that's exactly what you do in undertale
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>>382852787
Mixture of shitposting, man children & literal children that would rather spew shit than articulate themselves.
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>>382852938
Liking Undertale is a trait of Autism, you're literally throwing rocks when you live in a glass house.

>>382852967
>I guess standing perfectly still doing nothing is a video game
It is compared to Undertale.
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>>382852967
>I guess standing perfectly still doing nothing is a video game
http://www.kongregate.com/games/kalzar/dont-click-that-button
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>>382852880
>Couldn't you also look at it like

I could look deep into this game and see a lot of things, but I'm not that autistic.
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>>382839768
Bought it just to make you saltier.
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>>382849131
I see you've played knifey spooney before
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>>382852747
>Two Royal Guards, based on the people Toby got harassed by in High School and how they're "actually super gay inside"

Assuming what you've said is true and was confirmed by the guy himself, how is this homophobic?
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>>382853073
>>382853091
>>382853129
>instant three replies
How Autistic do you have to get triggered over a game this much anyways?
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>>382851890

Katawa Shoujo fags were never "BTFO" you dumb redditor revisionist.
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>>382839768
I wonder if anybody has picked up the fact that this is a Japanese tweet? I mean, was the game fully localized before the Playstation ports? This might be the first chance anybody in Japan got to play this.
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>>382853194
But you obviously felt something and thought about it enough to come to the conclusion that it's edgy. If you've got an opinion on something you should be able to back your thoughts up a bit further than "it's like this because I say it is"
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>>382840608
>>382840557
>weeaboo games in a nutshell
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>>382839768
Man I have never played this and I dont intend to but this is great news because the Jap Undertale Porn is excellent.

https://exhentai.org/g/1038489/c5c69651de/
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>>382853267
Yeah they were when they spent years shilling their game and had a containment board made for it literally a month after it launched
Go back to posting in the 6000th KS general
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>>382847775
that all you got bitch? get the fuck outta my face
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>>382853247
I just want to see how autistic you are for still posting this shit game a year after it came out, its almost like you actually enjoyed that intentionally bad pile of shit.
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>>382853064

Reminds me of when dunkey played it and tumblr was calling it Undertale 2.0 despite the outrageous difference in tone.
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>>382839768
Always new that the PS4 was the numale console of choice.
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>>382853440
The only people who still make threads about the game are for the purpose of raging on how much they hate it, autist.
And 10 years down the line angry spergs will still be doing just that while no one else is talking about the game
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>>382853304
I did, apparently it is popular in Japan, but what do I know.
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>>382853535
Except you faggots still made this thread.
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>>382853247
>there is more then one person on /v/
sorry, 1999 called, it wants its faggots back
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>>382839768
I've never understood the appeal of this game, I don't get why it's bred such an obnoxious fanbase.
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>>382847775
How do you differentiate between a character being gay for "progressiveness" and a character who just happens to be gay?
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>>382853620
Strikes a chord with tumblrites. It's Homestuck but slightly interactive.
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>>382853568
The OP was clearly a mocking one just like every other Undertale thread, and even a dash of console war faggotry. Dipshits like you delude yourselves into thinking people actually still make positive non-shitposting Undertale threads to fuel your neverending butthurt.
>AAAAAH WHY DO PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THIS GAME???
>proceeds to make the 4 millionth thread for hating on the game which is ironically talking about it
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>>382845845
>game where the main character is evil because he's a cis white male single father
>"better"

Haha, no.
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>>382853739
You sound pretty mad
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>>382853417
How do you shill a game on 4chan when it was made by 4chan? Fuck off newfag
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>>382853352
>But you obviously felt something and thought about it enough to come to the conclusion that it's edgy

My first thought when seeing dead children in a video game the constantly talks about how violence is bad was "Wow, this is edgy!" which is a common first thought from anyone.

I'm sure some people also get aroused by dead children, but that doesn't mean dead children are sexy.
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>>382853727
It was literally made by homestuck fans, it was built to strike a chord with tumblrites. Its a good way to weed out who shouldnt be here.
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>>382853807
The only people angry are autists like you who continue to bring up the game in rage and then question why there's still threads on it.
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>>382853628

The devs not saying shit like "This is our first fully gay character"
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>>382853827
That's literally how you shill a game. Look at Minecraft
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>>382841734
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>>382841734
The tutorial frog that said to press F4 to go fullscreen has new dialog.
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>still no kickstarter promises
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>>382853971
>That's literally how you shill a game. Look at Minecraft
Minecraft wasn't made by 4chan
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>>382853940
Nah, you're pretty mad.
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>>382853620
Game invites overanalysis, and a big part of analyzing something is getting other people to agree with your interpretation, so you don't know how to make a video about it or can't dispel your autism into an essay, you'll keep talking about it to get people to agree or argue with you.

But since the possibility space for analyzing this game is actually pretty small, anyone who's pretty on point manages to say the same thing, and a deviation from the accepted interperetations makes you look like an idiot who didn't actually play it or are doing it on purpose.
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>>382843359

>It's another "The game is bad because the fanbase is bad" Episode!
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>>382845845

Yeah, I'd take brutally realistic games over wishy washy crap any day.
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>>382853858
>I'm sure some people also get aroused by dead children, but that doesn't mean dead children are sexy.

So by that line of thought, seeing a dead child in a game doesn't instantly make it edgy. Your gut feeling is that it's edgy but can you actually elaborate any more on that?

I'm not even saying there's a definitive answer to this, there isn't, but you're not actually articulating your thoughts in any way. Not every conversation is about winning or losing, I'm just asking you to give me some depth on why you feel that way.
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>>382854092
I'm not going to be the one making a thread about Undertale a whole decade down the line throwing a fit about how much I hate it.
/v/ gets more triggered about this game than a landwhale SJW does about the word nigger
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>>382854087
It literally started out on /v/ before Notch moved to Reddit, which wouldn't criticize him for not living up to his promises. Who's the newfag now?
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>>382845097
The Pope
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>>382850730
You have to die once in the Flowey fight, he shuts your game off right after he steals the SOULs

Okay, so I guess he kills you BEFORE the fight, and I guess you might not interpret shutting the game off as dying, but thats how I interpreted it.
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>>382854224
4chan users weren't part of the development team for Minecraft like KS though. They're literally called Four Leaf Studios.
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>>382853965
The only example of this I can think of right now is Bioware patching Andromeda and making one of the characters gay for absolutely no reason other than to be inclusive. Which is bullshit and gross because they're clearly trying to pander to people in order to get eyes on their shitty game.

Even in that example while it's far from the best form of inclusion, isn't any inclusion some from of progress and ultimately a stepping stone for better inclusion in the future?
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>>382850889
>it's another "/v/ circlejerks about how cool they are for not hating on shit" post

we get it, you don't like it when someone shits on your favorite game, doesn't mean it's not shit.
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>>382854280
Think of it like this.
Flowey's Neutral Ending leading in to his fight
vs
Chara directly attacking the player should they refuse the first time.
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>>382854167

Explain to me how it's not edgy?

It's the same shit as the nuke scene from Spec Ops: The Line.

It's for cheap shock value, which is jarringly cringeworthy for a game that wants to be Earthbound.
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>>382853397
>weeaboo
not
>games with fuckton of fan-service
summer is here huh? i almost fogot it
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>>382854452
Except /v/'s entire new shtick is hating all video games and not discussing video games, and those who discuss video games are looked down on. How new are you?
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>>382851736
Not really sure what you're asking, but did you mean better than Earthbound, Cave Story, Lisa, Yume Nikki, etc.?
No, not really. I think each of those perform what they set out to do better than Undertale. Undertale relies almost entirely on you liking its characters and humor, and falls flat if you don't.
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To be honest, I blame Mother for this. I'm sorry if this may offend some people here, but the original Mother trilogy was a hot steaming pile of tumblr pandering. not that they were terrible games, but they were pretentious as all hell.

>dude knights and fantasy are sooooo last year, we're gonna do a post-modern RPG with realistic settings and down to earth themes! Capitalism is bad and police are thugs!
>videogame bosses shouldn't require challenge! you just need to sing/pray to them a few times and they'll die by themselves! It removes the evil problematic videogamey content form it, since violence is bad! *tips fedora*

The games have aged like hot garbage ever since. And ironically enough, Undertale emulates the series perfectly, especially in how pretentious it is.
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>>382854452
Thinking a game is shit is not a justification for trying to kill all discutions about it on a third party forum.
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>>382854665
>t. a literal Neogaf user
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Japs don't play on PC.
Japs play on Playstation.
Japs like Undertale and make pretty cool art.
Art which is well-liked.
Essentially, they're pretty great.
But they don't have an official translation for the japanese audience.
So a translation is made and is put on the most heavily populated system on the market in Japan.
It would have also been ported around this time to the Switch had dev kits been more openly available to indie devs for the system.
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>>382854421

>Even in that example while it's far from the best form of inclusion, isn't any inclusion some from of progress and ultimately a stepping stone for better inclusion in the future?

"inclusion" in video games is a stupid thing to strive for, so no, it isn't.
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>>382854765
Doesn't work, neogaf loves undermeme and hates Earthbrumpf
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>>382854701
Then why are you trying to kill discussion on how the game is actually trash?
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>>382854452
Please explain why you dislike it, because if you just go "I don't like it" people can assume you just do it for attention or for no reason.
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>>382854082
Te comic is coming in the collectior edition
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>>382854893
>Earthbrumpf
You should take a break, the shitposting is starting to rot your brain.
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>>382853397
Ironic weeaboo games.
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>>382853304
Japan loves quirky games like this. They played it long ago.
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>>382854931
To be fair, that's not a discussion; that's an opinion.
Now reply and give people free (You)s you lone autist.
Not(You)s don't count as avoiding (You)posting.
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>>382854765
I hate neogaf though. They prefer their games to be movies and not have an ounce of challenge, and they think that cutscenes are more important than gameplay mechanics. They also love Earthbound because DUDE MUH LOVE AND TOLERANCE.
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>>382855042

Very fitting, considering this is an Undertale thread, the king of ironic weeb games.
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>>382854701
The "game" was made to be shit, though. It doesnt need discussion.
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>>382854648
Whoops. I should have said gamePLAY, not game. the gameplay is better in that its more than simple turn based.

But you know, you're right. I can't ask someone to like the game if they don't like the characters! They really are made to appeal to a certain demographic of kind of lonely person that wants friends and acceptance.
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>>382854765

Neogaf only hates Earthbound because of the anti-Japanese SJW agenda.

That's the reason they love Undertale, it's the same shit without the "icky Japanese dev, ew"
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>>382855110
>image shows that Neogaf hates Earthbound
>DUDE THEY LOVE EARTHBOUND
Neogaf's known for three things: SJWs, Sony worship, and hating Earthbound to an unnatural degree.
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I liked undertale
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>>382855329

I didn't like it.
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>>382854937
The characters are complete trash, either designed for shitty puns or being made for some horrible, cringy dialogue/backstory.

The motivations as to why you shouldn't try and defend yourself from attackers isn't quite their. The game just keeps on reminding on how horrible you are for doing so.

The soundtrack is pretty good.

I can go further in details if you want me to.
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>>382854839
Why is is stupid?

It's a piece of media just like any other. Why is including characters of various race, gender and sex a bad thing? If a designer of a game decides they want a character to be a specific way, why is that stupid?
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>>382855254
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>>382855292
>only 2 posts out of the entire image
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>>382849383
Yet people rarely do
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>>382855374
your tastes are SHIT

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
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>>382854563
>>382854563
I'll ignore the fact that you initially said that the game is edgy, gave one example and haven't actually gave a reason as to why other than "dead children are edgy, everyone agrees".

Any reference to dead souls being from children was never set up natively to be a shocking conclusion, nor was it abruptly brought up suddenly to blindside the player. It's a fact of that world and shouldn't be a surprise when the first moments of the game explain that humans and monsters are at war. This is brought up without much fanfare around it.
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>>382855404
2 posts more than what you have for your claim.
If you don't think Neogaf loathes Earthbound, you're a newfag.
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>>382855550
A neofag newfag maybe.
Why would anyone on /v/ know or care about what neogaf thinks...
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>>382855396

It's not stupid if devs put those kinds of characters in, it's stupid if they only put them in because "inclusion"
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>>382855550
They love cinematic experiences where there's more story than gameplay, and guess where Earthbound falls in that category?
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>>382855153
It does have the advantage of spicing things up a bit with its turn based system, but the problem is that it's repetitive with no real reward. You spare an enemy once, then flee every subsequent encounter. On the flip side, you fight the same enemies in one area 40 times before moving on to the next area. You overlap the two even once and you get a god awful ending that cuts your adventure short.

The highlights are definitely the bosses, but unfortunately many of them are cinematic in nature.
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>>382855635
>Why would anyone on /v/ know or care about what neogaf thinks...

You would think this is a perfectly reasonable question but this is the board that picks a different site to shit on and stalk each year. I still remember when somethingawful was the current site to shit on.
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>>382855421

Go fap to your fat goat woman while you remind me of how MY taste is shit.
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>>382855693
This, it is one thing if a character has a unique quirk and it doesn't define them, whole different story if it is just to be inclusive.
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Undertale is a game only Millennials can understand. Gen X celebrates bitterness as wit too much while Gen Zed is too angry and accusatory
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>>382855723
Earthbound is not made by Sony or a western developer so it's shit to them.
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>>382854931
Who is preventing you to create a thread to just do that?
Haters killing any neutral or positive discutions are far more common.
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>>382855498
>I'll ignore the fact that you initially said that the game is edgy

Believe me, there's other reasons I think so, like the cardboard cutout villain, and the genocide path as a whole.

>Any reference to dead souls being from children was never set up natively to be a shocking conclusion

Yet it's still a shocking conclusion, they just don't beat you over the head with it.
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>>382855967
Is that why they praised Breath of the wild on release?
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I remember being on /v/ when it was FF7 that triggered everyone. Then it was Halo, followed by Call of Duty. Don't forget Katawa Shoujo, either.

/v/ has always been contrarian and people will make up whatever excuse they want to hate on a game once it's gone nuclear in terms of popularity.
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It's amazing how many years has been and /v/ still has his collective anus shattered over becoming one of the most popular games of all time in such short time, keep crying faggots
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>>382855693
>it's stupid if they only put them in because "inclusion"

Sure I agree with this to a degree. Like with the Andromeda example, it's pretty fucking gross. I suppose I'm arguing for inclusion because through it, we'll potentially have new generations of people & cultures that may never have got into videogames in the first place and through that maybe we'll see some cool and interesting ideas that we've never seen before.

I guess if you want to look at it as being "forced" then I understand and I used to feel that way at one point but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that for the most part it caused no harm.
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>>382856092
>one of the most popular games of all time in such short time

trying too hard
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>>382856059
What?
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>>382855396
>Why is including characters of various race, gender and sex a bad thing?
It's not. Unless they're doing it purely for the sake of diversity. Ironically, these kinds of characters not only don't add anything to the development of the story, they tend to be stereotypes, preachy, shallow, or a combination of all three.
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>>382855550
>Nintendogaf hating a Nintendo game
dumb newfag
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>>382856112

I think if you only want to get into video games because they contain people like you, you shouldn't be playing video games in the first place.

Self insert protags are the cancer killing video games right now.
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>>382856306
>Nintendogaf
See >>382856192
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>>382856112

t. Straight white male
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>>382856192
They have a thread up right now talking about how much they love the Nintendo Switch and playing Breath of the wild on it.

I hope you're happy that you made me go to that dump of a site just to prove a point.
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>>382856037
I think the only thing I'll agree with you is the genocide path leaning a bit on the edgy side but again I wouldn't specifically point to it as an example of something that's edgy.

I think for me, things like Postal, Manhunt or Hatred come off far more edgy than undertale would. Undertale is very light hearted in my opinion but I guess this is all perspective.

Glad we could have this talk anon.
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>>382856386
>he doesn't know
Sonygaf and Nintendogaf exist in parallel. Try and insult the switch and you get crucified.
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>>382856421
>no screencap
Yeah I'm sure the sony-centric forum suddenly loves Nintendo
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>>382856314
It's not necessarily about only paying attention to it because there's a character like you in it but it can certainly bring in a wider audience than before.

>Self insert protags are the cancer killing video games right now.

Any examples of this and how its currently affecting the industry?
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>>382856539
>Glad we could have this talk anon

You too my good man, I love having enlightening discussions about my favorite interactive media!
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>>382856616
>le neogaf is sony HQ
sure that's why they choose Bayo 2 their GOTY when it came out? Seriously what is /v/ obssesion with that site?
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>>382856616
Now I have a screencap of that filthy website littering my computer's memory. I hope you're happy.
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>>382843359
pretty sure you're thinking of dark souls "this is the dark souls of rhythm games!" nobody is going around saying shit like that with undertale. "this is the undertale of FPS games!!"
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>>382856856
somebody post the cave story tweet
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>>382856759
Me too and I'm glad you enjoy it too.
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>>382856856
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>>382845563
pretty sure he's also come out and stated that he cringes at his earthbound hack sooo
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>>382856759
>>382856960
Go be civil somewhere else.
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>>382856192
>people pay money to post on this site
why? you can't even make a little light banter like this without being banned? people can't take a joke?
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>>382856074
God forbid I get tired of hearing about a bad FOTM for the one millionth time. Guess what? I'm gonna speak my mind whenever I feel like and there's nothing you can do about it, and I'm confident the actual majority of users who know what's best for this board will agree with me.

Please leave.
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>>382856742
>It's not necessarily about only paying attention to it because there's a character like you in it but it can certainly bring in a wider audience than before

How else would it bring a wider audience?

I guess there's people in LGBT and Black rights groups that would play them for their inclusiveness, but that's the same issue.

>Any examples of this and how its currently affecting the industry?

Because it's just lazy.

They don't need to write an actual main character, they either do a create a character or a silent protag, all characters can't point out anything out about your character because they don't know anything about "You", and most devs are too lazy to make your choices actually shape your character's personality.
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>>382856991
show me a established gaming site that says something like "woh this is just like Undertale meets x!"
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>>382856960

Yes, quite.

Do you want to fuck?
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>>382857192
>God forbid I get tired of hearing about a bad FOTM for the one millionth time.
If only there was a way to hide or filter threads you dont like to see hmmm...
> I'm gonna speak my mind whenever I feel like and there's nothing you can do about it
Except laugh at you for acting like an immature child
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I hope the Japs want to fuck the shit out of the goats as much as I do.
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>>382857192
Except it's not bad, you flying faggot.
Also
>What's best for this board
Yeah, because actual video game discussion would get in the way of the next "was it kinomeme" thread
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>>382851570
It's worse but play it either way.
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>>382851598
>soundtracks that I love, like Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
another convert to the church of Dong, good to see you my brother
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>>382857383
>authentic jap goatmom hentai
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>>382857383
There are nowhere near as many jap furry degenerates. Which is kind of surprising all things considered
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>>382857204
>How else would it bring a wider audience?

People are pretty impressionable, especially at a young age. Something as simple as seeing a character that looks, acts or even sounds like them can lead a person to look further into that form of media. While it might start out for surface level reasons they could very well become a heavily involved consumer.

We all got into games for various reasons, who's to say one is more legitimate than another?

>Because it's just lazy.

I'm asking for actual examples and then your reasoning of how it is currently effecting the industry and "killing videogames right now".
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>>382857620
There are. It's just called something different.
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>UT porn is coming back from the rising sun itself

Oh boy
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>>382857336
Filtering doesn't remove them from my board. It just ends up reducing the threads I actually see to a mere handful, and that's not acceptable. Of course you wouldn't have stopped to actually think about the implications of a situation like that wouldn't you, immature child? Oh I'm sorry, you consider walking sims with artificial feelings games so I guess you wouldn't. Your taste is not valid here. Please leave.
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>>382855386
I guess that would be nice.
A lot of the characters DO require a corny sense of humor to appreciate, though I don't think the backstory was particularly cringy, though the dialogue could sometimes get too "quirky", especially when is explains character actions in the form of text instead of showing the action, similar to *unsheathes katana*

However, the game doesn't really tell they player they are bad people for defending themselves. The only people who tell the player they suck for defending themselves are Flowey, who is the biggest asshole in the game, and Undyne, who will hate the player character regardless of what the player character does.

The game only reminds you that you are horrible person if the player goes out of his way to seek random encounters and be a bad person.

I'd like to hear from you again. because I still don't know what makes the puns shitty and the motivations unclear.
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>>382857467
It's bad lol
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>>382839768
I wish I could strike autistic gold like Toby did
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>>382857467
Except it is when it drowns out all other discussion. This board goes to shit every time people start sperging out over a game by creating tons of threads and trying to discuss it in entirely unrelated threads. Undertale went even further beyond that as it appealed to a basket of obnoxious degenerates outside of /v/ as well.
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>>382844002
Absolutely SEETHING
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>>382857716
>my board

Where's your proof of ownership?
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>>382857716
>Filtering doesn't remove them from my board.
>I WANT EVERYTHING THAT I DONT LIKE TO DISSAPEAR
>"""""MY"""" board
Take you meds child
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>>382857787
Because it's a good game, and good games warrant discussion.
Here's your last (you), now fuck off, autist
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>>382855780
I'm confused, what two things are being overlapped, and what is cutting the adventure short?

You'd be hard pressed to get into more than 10 or so fights in any area unless you're really lollygagging.
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>>382857757
if its bad why are people still talking about it a year after its initial release lol rip
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>>382857620
Jap furries actually look visually appealing instead of something out of Chinese knockoff Disneyland.
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>>382839768
>Starved for games Sonyfags already bought >1m Undertale copies.

>Sonyfags

Japanese kids and teenagers you mean, the same demographic who bought 1 million copies of PSVITA version of Minecraft.


>>382839768

>you'll never be Toby "Pussy Annihilator" Fox
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>>382857814
>Replying to a post from 2 and a half hours ago because it made fun of your favorite gayme
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>>382857787
>This board goes to shit every time people start sperging out over a game by creating tons of threads and trying to discuss it in entirely unrelated threads.
WOOOOOOOOW popular games get tons of threads because there's lots of discussion potential? Who could've seen that one coming?
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>>382857383
Check out the Undertale tag on your hentai site of choice.
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i want to fucking kill myself because i'll never make anything as successful as this corny pixel-auts game.
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>>382857929
I wasn't even the guy you were talking with.

>and good games warrant discussion.
Entirely beside the point.
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How is this game gonna work on console? There's times where it shuts down the game and you reboot it, can't imagine they'd allow for that.
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>>382845563
>non-stereotypical
/v/ literally complains about characters that shove their sexuality in your face and define themselves by that and that alone, and Toby is literally saying the same thing.

He just wants to make fags that aren't faggots. Get it?
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>>382857628
>We all got into games for various reasons

What's yours?

>I'm asking for actual examples

Pretty much any form of RPG, things like Skyrim, even Japanese games like Persona.

FPS games don't even need to create a character now, you just pretend it's you.

There's also games like Zelda and Pokemon, which really highlight the issue I have with Persona, where you're a silent protag, but forced to act a certain way. You're character is a character outside of the game, free from you, but they have generic response to everything. I do enjoy this a lot more, it's better than having a Zelda game with a create a character Link for example.

The only real game that would be improved by custom player inserts is shit like sports games, you know, things you can actually do in real life.
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>>382857716
>my board
>your taste is not valid
>please leave
Literally what site do you think you're on?
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>>382857943
I meant if you spared nearly everyone, but killed one monster, or vice versa. If you do that, you get a neutral ending, which is basically the worst outcome possible.

>You'd be hard pressed to get into more than 10 or so fights in any area unless you're really lollygagging.
True for pacifist, but those fights are little more than random encounter nuisances that waste a bit of time. In genocide, you have to fight tons of them in order to clear out an area.
Neither is particularly enjoyable.
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>People ITT acting like Japan didn't make loads of Undertale porn already

Fake weebs detected.
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>>382858064
>lots of discussion potential
lol
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>>382857947
If it's good how come it hasn't been in the steam top 100 most played since launch?
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>>382857182
SA used to be good. A LONG time ago.
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>>382858287
Good artists don't have time to install a shitty client like Steam or a translation mod to play a game, they play shit on their phones or portable devices, porn is coming. Good porn.
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>>382858363
>the good games are steam's most played
That's bullshit and you know it. Unless you have a serious boner for DOTA.
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>>382858431
>If it's bad why is it still popular?
>it isn't
>P-popularity doesn't matter!!
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>>382858064
Autism and furry porn shouldn't have to be tolerated even if you want to try and call it "discussion"
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>>382858363
if its bad how come it has a higher metacritic score than most of the games in steam top 100 most played?
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>>382839768

So this means Yoko Taro played Undertale? , seems like it's something he would enjoy due to the dark and edgy twists in the plot.
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>>382858257
>neutral ending is basically the worst possible outcome

I mean you have to start from the beginning, but you get to play the game in a very abbreviated form, and I found it nice that a significant part of the game has new dialogue the second time around, and you get to skip the most boring parts of the game.

And for the second part, I thought the players "reward" was funny dialogue. There are often multiple ways to spare the enemy that results in different funny dialogue.
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>>382858531
It's a single player, linear game, you dense shit. Find me a single year-old game with no form of online or sandbox mode that's in the top 100.
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>>382858531
theres a difference between popularity and presence. ocarina of time is not being played by many people on this board yet it gets brought up every day because it has a lasting presence. same with undertale, sorry
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>>382858564
>Autism and furry porn shouldn't have to be tolerated even if you want to try and call it "discussion"
It worked for BOTW threads
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>>382854050
fuck you Toby, you ruined his character

what does he say now?
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>>382858196
>What's yours?

I've always liked the mechanical execution involved. So fighting games, SHMUPs and games like that tend to be my thing. I'm huge into arcade hardware too. Stories tend not to do much for me unless they're something different, however a friend of mine plays games mostly for the stories and characters.

>FPS games don't even need to create a character now, you just pretend it's you.
This has always been true for FPS games. Many of the oldschool FPS games out there had very little to no depth to their characters. I guess the art for the characters is the stand-in for character development in this sense and that gives individuality. There was a time when FPS games having "story" was seen as a bad thing. I still remember the transition from games like Quake to Half-Life where people shit on the story elements for ruining the pacing and overall mechanics being dumbed down.

The other points you've brought up have always been true depending on the game you're looking at. None of this is a recent occurrence due to any sort of forced inclusion that there may or may not be happening.

I suppose if you only look at the AAA industry then to some degree you might have a point but for the industry as a whole I wouldn't say that's true and it certainly isn't "killing videogames" as you put it.
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>>382858632
Witcher 3
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>>382858287
There's more Korean stuff than Japanese.
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>>382858727
No it didn't. BotW has been, and still gets shit.

It being a far more impressive and deserving game than undertale also helps, and I didn't even care for it.
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>>382858571
>Moving goalposts this hard
You wanna talk metacritic? Let's talk metacritic
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>>382858761

It's more the lazy attitude I find to be killing games rather than the actual games themselves.

Soon we'll be getting complete blank slates that are defended due to being "inclusive".

It's fucking ironic to me that a character creation of a silent protagonist is considered progressive when they literally have no character.
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>>382858802
That game is honest to fuck long enough that it's basically an open world sandbox trashgame
But you know what, I respect that you actually went in and found one, so I'll close the thread.
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>>382858962
And what do you know, the same game that came out last year has the exact same metascore as Undertale.
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>>382859186
>>382858962
>based on less than 10 critics

undertale got hundreds of reviews dude like what is this inane mental gymnastics? and no goalposts were moved, you're trying to prove to me that undertale is a bad game and doing a poor job of it
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>>382858612
>4th wall breaks
>system fuckery
>existentialism
>fantastic soundtrack
>more than meets the eye
>bullet hell
Hmmm
It's like undertale, only good. It actually deserves the porn too and doesn't have to resort to sexualizing unattractive goats.
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>>382859123
>Soon we'll be getting complete blank slates that are defended due to being "inclusive".

I really doubt that. Specific characterizations for both the player character and NPCs are becoming a bigger and bigger selling point for AAA games these days. Rather than focus on mechanics, they're focusing on characters.

In terms of RPGs, it's never been strange to see the player character be a blank slate devoid of any individuality. That's kind of the point of them being that way, so you can imagine what you want. Again this isn't something new to games.
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>>382839768
Wait
.. why?

It runs on a toaster. If these people wanted to play Undertale why would they not buy it on their PC already?
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>>382859418
>43
>hundreds
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>>382859483
>Specific characterizations for both the player character and NPCs are becoming a bigger and bigger selling point for AAA games these days

I don't really see this much outside of movie games.
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>>382859563
Don't underestimate how stupid people are.

And how much the japs refuse to play anything on PC other than eroge.
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>>382859418
A metascore is a metascore. You moved goalposts the first time I proved undertale isn't "still popular" and again now by saying "metascore is different based on how many critics reviewed it"
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>>382853064
It's fake son, do your research
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>>382845563
>Homosexuality explored as a cause (or at least major contributing factor) for psychological problems
That's not SJW.
SJW is when someone's gay purely for the sake of having a gay character.
This is a gay character whose homosexuality is a plot point (and a bossfight).
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>>382859630
How do they play their 2hus?
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>>382859607
Well I did say the AAA industry but you must not look very hard if you're not able to see the heavy amount of character & story focused games that come out of the indie scene.
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>>382859917
With a PS2 controller
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>>382859563
>>382859630

Are you two actually this stupid?

The game wasn't fucking translated into Japanese until the PS4 version.
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>>382839768
That was a game I was really confuse a Switch version was not announced on, is not the creator suppose to be a Nintendo Fan?
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>>382859565
Wait for Glitchwave to come out boi. It's easily going to make the top 75 or so. (Pic related is its position from a few months ago.)
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>>382859978

All AAA games aren't movie games, but all movie games are AAA games.

And the problem with indie games is there's only a handful of indie games that are actually memorable, it's a whole lot of garbage with a few gems here and there.

Indie games are also the worst sufferers of political messages and forced characters.
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>>382853727
you might even say 4chords
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>>382860309
July 22nd open beta starts. Lots of ratings should flow in from there.
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>>382859690
metascore is different based on how many critics review a game, that is a fact yes
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>>382859917
with nude mods
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>>382852336
> you'll still be here when the average poster is to young to know what Undertale is
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>>382860328
>And the problem with indie games is there's only a handful of indie games that are actually memorable

That's not a problem specific to indie games. That's literally any form of media at any level. Only so much of everything that gets put out will be memorable.

>Indie games are also the worst sufferers of political messages and forced characters.

This is why I asked for examples of games that have specifically had a forced political message or forced character inserted. I get the feeling you're being disingenuous and trying to ascribe things you don't like as being "forced"
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>>382859419
>not wanting to take Asriel's absolute DONG of Hyperfuck
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>>382860726
>This is why I asked for examples of games that have specifically had a forced political message or forced character inserted

Actually, you never asked for this.

>I get the feeling you're being disingenuous and trying to ascribe things you don't like as being "forced"

How so?
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>>382857383
I just want japs to not want to fuck the skeletons as much as the americans do
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>>382860429
Says who? Does metacritic, or any site that uses it, treat metascore differently based on how many critics it has? No? Then it's a completely arbitrary restriction you made up so you could be right in this thread.
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>>382859123
>they literally have no character.
Frisk's character comes though in the way they narrate things and item descriptions
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>>382860939
>>382857628
>I'm asking for actual examples and then your reasoning of how it is currently effecting the industry and "killing videogames right now".

You said that forced characters are "killing videogames right now" and I asked multiple times for examples.

>How so?

I can't really elaborate on this much further because you've yet to give me an example of a game that we know has specifically had a character forced into the game and because of that has in some way ruined the game or negatively effected it in some way.

I even gave an example myself with Mass Effect Andromeda in a patch where they turned a random character gay for absolutely no reason other than a pathetic attempt to get attention on their failure of a game. That's a situation where it was literally forced into the game. Can you give me others?
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>>382857814
Wew lad that's a pretty long time to reply to someone.
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>>382851570
I know I'm late but it's a different experience entirely, they did their best to flesh it out for a console audience so a full 100% playthrough is about double the length, maybe a bit more. Some levels are the same but the vast majority of stuff is either massively expanded or you have way more levels and new gimmicks to use. Most levels are only the same in the "hub" sense but once you break off it changes from the Vita version. You also don't get the head in the sun unless you have an EyeToy attached to the thing so I don't know if they even address it or not if you do have it active.
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>>382861102
A metascore of 90 is holds more weight if more critics have reviewed the game than if 2 critics reviewed the game you bumbling autist
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>>382861385
>>You said that forced characters are "killing videogames right now" and I asked multiple times for examples

No, I said self insert characters were.

And fighting for inclusion in games would breed more self insert characters.

>I can't really elaborate on this much further because you've yet to give me an example of a game

I gave the "fully gay" example, and there's stuff like the Naughty Dog team, or certain Telltale writers stroking their ego on twitter about how they're so progressive for daring to include black or gay characters.

Also you can't tell me Tracer from Overwatch wasn't forced.

They promised a gay character, and decided to take the easy way out and make it the attractive waifubait heroine.
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>>382861679
Why would it matter when the end result is the same? Metacritic's "best games of all time" list doesn't take into account the amount of critics reviewing, only the metascore.
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>>382862007
stop selectively ignoring information autist, a movie could have a "100 percent" on rotten tomatoes because the movie is unknown and only has one review, but a masterpiece like King Kong will have a 100 percent from a myriad of different opinions and tastes, which hold more weight

the fact that im explaining this to you baffles my mind, fuck off summerfag
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>>382861702
>Naughty Dog team, or certain Telltale writers stroking their ego on twitter about how they're so progressive for daring to include black or gay characters.

I'm with you on this sort of stuff being annoying. People shouldn't be congratulating themselves on including different types of people that live exist but I'm not sure how this proves they've been forced.

>Also you can't tell me Tracer from Overwatch wasn't forced.

Again, we've no real evidence to say that Tracer was or wasn't forced. Certainly may be how you took it but did we have any information about any of the sexual preferences of the overwatch cast? Were we led to believe that Tracer was straight only for them to suddenly change it or did it have more to do with people assuming tracer was automatically straight?

This is the issue when you say forced. In pretty much every example we had no evidence to say what the initial character choices were going to be. Sure, for some games I bet there has been a character "forced" in due to genders and races being the hot topic right now but even when they are forced how does it ultimately hurt the product.

You've said that it would breed more self insert characters but I can't come up with many games where the main character or other characters fit the concept of a self insert and even if some games do have self inserts and if it inspired more self insert characters we're always going to have plenty of games that tell completely different stories with completely different characters.

You're making a problem out of nothing especially since many of the games that existed in the past and now already had self inserts and if not direct self inserts, certainly the ideas and concepts the designer had as an ideal person or character. Aren't those self inserts too?
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>>382839768
THANKS FOR THE BETA TEST, MUSTARDS!!!
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>>382840557
Looks like shit.
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>>382857032
his earthbound hack was cringy. It's like looking back on the things you thought were cool/funny when you were 12.
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>>382862387
>Again, we've no real evidence to say that Tracer was or wasn't forced

Literally nobody thought it was gonna be Tracer because she was already the token tomboy character, it would be too obvious and completely go against what her character stood for.

I guarantee they chickened out and didn't want to make it a dude because lesbians are more accepted.

The reasons I said it would breed more self insert characters is because making the MC yourself is the most inclusive thing you can do, but also the laziest when it comes to writing.
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>>382862157
So it's still a completely subjective metric that doesn't matter. Either you admit metacritic is a flawed system for not weighing number of critics, or you agree that Out of the Park Baseball 2007 is a better game than undertale
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>>382839768
Kek at all the Japs seeing the weeaboo cameo
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>>382841647
I want to fuck that loli spider.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD5ra3QUMAApFJ7.jpg:large
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>>382862891
>Literally nobody thought it was gonna be Tracer
This isn't true because even before the game came out, in my own friends circle people said "I bet tracer is gay".

> it would be too obvious and completely go against what her character stood for
Can you explain what Tracer and her characterization stood for as told by Blizzard?

>Making the MC yourself is the most inclusive thing you can do, but also the laziest when it comes to writing
Not necessarily. Creating your own character is often the cornerstone of RPGs, it's literally the point of D&D which is where a lot of the foundations that exist in RPGs today comes from and D&D campaigns can be some of the most deeply expanded stories told. Just because the focus is taken away from the character specifically doesn't then mean the rest of the storytelling will be poor.

Anyway, it's 6am here so I gotta bounce but it was an interesting conversation.
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>>382863376
>This isn't true because even before the game came out, in my own friends circle people said "I bet tracer is gay"

If your friends are anything like you, I wouldn't say they're a good judge of character.

>Can you explain what Tracer and her characterization stood for as told by Blizzard?

She was strong, upbeat, and boyish girl.

The only more stereotypical choice would have been Zarya.
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