So does this mean 3D Platformers are done with, or only that

Yooka Laylee is a great 3D platformer. Stop trying to perpetuate your shitposting.

I don't know anon. I didn't really give this a shot. Especially after the debacle of the devs being SJW's.. Right now I'm replaying the old spyro games and they haven't aged well.

Both. Aside from Mario and Ratchet and Clank, nobody makes 3D platformers anymore and Yooka-Laylee's end result is pretty much the reason why. Outdated genre.

>le yoka layle is bad maymay XDD

fuck off.

>>382833845
wait, until psychonauts 2 releases for their return to glory

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Hold our beers...

>>382833927
>>382834104
Dat buyer's remorse

Just a shit.
Just wait until Ape Escape 4 is confirmed

>Yooka-Laylee bombs completely
>Crash Bandicoot selling like absolute hotcakes and hype for the series is through the roof
It's a wait and see.

>>382833927
What makes you think it's good? Can you address its criticisms?

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>>382834237
>A hat in time
>made by developers of Gears of War

>Mario Oddysey
>Console Exclusive

Not gonna hold my breath on these

autosage test

YL is fine until the casino level. Jesus did they phone that one in

>>382833845
This was a horrible example of one done by people who only VAGUELY played banjo kazooie and didn't actually understand the material they were working with.

Unfortunately it's such a big black eye of garbage it likely is going to kill this genre for a little while before someone tosses it a res.

>>382833994
I think Riptoe's rage aged well

>>382833845
3d platformer collectathons with hundreds of collectables and yooka laylee like presentation are done, but that was never a popular sub genre to begin with

how do you pronounce that name?

>>382835138
What's wrong with console exclusives?

>>382835394
Wasn't Playtonic the original BK team? It has grant kirkhope's music in it too

>>382835640
you-kah
lay-lee

>>382833845
No they just tried to make Banjo Tooie on 2017 when we all know that gam was bad even when it came out on the N64

>people still unironically shit on YL

Gotta be tough being a jontron cockrider, the game delievered 100% of what it promised and improved on what the Banjo games were under every aspect. The only real issue was the camera and that got fixed

>>382835695
They are an anti-consumer practice that only benefits the big video game corporations.

>>382835138

If Fucking 3D World reminds everybody that platformers still exist I'm pretty fucking sure Odyssey will do even better

The problem with Yooka Laylee is that it's a poor man's Banjo-Kazooie while not being ambitious enough to be like Tooie

It's stuck in the middle and makes it more like a fan project than a successor from "Actual devs"

>>382835370
Yeah, that's where I stopped playing. If every level was quality of first it'd be 8/10 game instead of 5/10.

>>382835138
>>made by developers of Gears of War
1) Bullshit
2) Gears of War is fantastic

>Hur hur Yooka Laylee is bad because they are SJWs.
I wish mofokkas can stop complaining and play fucking video games.

Why exactly is the camera shit?

Is it because open world 3D Platformers always had this problem?

I know DK64, Banjo Kazooie and Tooie has this problem if you weren't already aware of how these games are

Then again, look at Mario Odyssey, it somehow has a working camera

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>>382835938
Mario 3D World is still just a 2D platformer though, they just changed the two major gameplay axes from XZ to XY with a bit of jumping involved.

>>382836049
Gears of war is fucking shit. Can't xbros go back to being exiled from this board? Things were so much better

I enjoyed it, it was a good warm up whilst waiting for crash

The new patch helped too

>>382836193
It's not bad, just mediocre.

>>382836271
The camera got patched in Yooka Laylee so it doesn't get stuck on walls anymore

>>382835907
I loved the game, thought it was good.
But it in no way improved on Banjo in every aspect. The combat was even shittier in YL somehow, and the world design is disjointed with no rhyme or reason, it takes a way too long to start being able to get a fix on where you are in the levels. And shit like how they handled Trowzer and literally everything about tonics weren't great

It does improve a lot of conventions of the series. But there's a lot of steps back too. It's up there with BK and BT but probably the weakest of the 3.

>>382834237

>Hat in Time's development has been long enough to have Super Mario 3D World, Yooka Laylee, and technically Super Mario Odyssey, if not full if it doesn't get delayed again

The fact that it's supposedly coming out in September with no actual date is the only hope it has, it can't delay any further because Mario Odyssey is around the corner

>>382833845
Are you retarded, perhaps?
Crash remasters just came out to huge success, and Mario Odyssey is obviously going to be a good game.
Yooka is a bad game, that's all there is to it. It's a fucking crowdfunded game, what were you expecting? I don't get it how anyone can hape hopes for kickstarter and EarlyAccess shit, you MUST be retarded.
You can count the good exceptions with 1 hand.

>>382836297

That's beside the point

Nobody in the time frame has done 3D Platforming that 3D World was considered yet another "revive" when nobody else makes them

It's a bad example of one. Super Mario Odyssey looks great, and if you want a classic collectathon type of platformer than A Hat in Time is looking decent.

>>382835640
I'm trying to move out of my parents house, I don't have >$200 to drop on a video game machine.

>>382833845
>people stop making 3d platformer collectathons because they are garbage
>10 years later
>WHY DOESNT ANYONE MAKE A 3D PLATFORMER?
>LETS KICKSTARTER ONE THAT IS 100% TRUE TO THE OLD 3D PLAFOTEMRERS!11

>wow, 3d platformers are garbage, i hope the failure of this particular 3d platformer was just a bad example of one and doesnt kill the genre

IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED.

The hard truth is that 3D Platformers were never good.

>>382836762
Hat is Time is looking to be more like the classic 3D Mario games than a Collectathon.

Isn't Yooka Laylee supposed to still come out on Switch?

What the chances they'll improve upon it given it's actually playtonic working with Nintendo doing it instead of the literal who dipshits who ported it poorly on PS4 and especially Xbone?

>>382836783
>IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED.

Pretty sure it wasn't.

>>382836323
Gears of War was on PC as well, newfriend.

>>382836635
Those games have bigger staff, more funding, and more experience. I think A Hat in Time's development is about what you should expect, considering.

>>382836693
Everyone knows Crash games are like the mcdonalds of platformers - cheap to make, simple, linear but filling, whereas I want a fine wine and steak dinner like Banjo Kazooie with interesting level design, movesets and events that goes beyond jumping on boxes in a boring grid formation.

>>382836783
>>382836960
They delivered what they promised down to a T.
The problem is that many of the people who gave them money wanted something else cause they probably don't know what they want. YL is exactly what I want and about my only real gripes now are that the worlds were too large and could have been chopped in half and doubled the world count and been more enjoyable. And that the characters aren't really memorable. Any of them besides Capital B.

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>>382833927
Shit platformer

>>382836794
Banjo Kazooie and Mario 64 are still fun

I enjoyed it.

But it wasn't the second coming everyone thought it was.

I can see it getting a sequel though that will be better.

I think they hindered the game mainly on the fact that it has expanding worlds, so instead of designing 10 worlds, they designed 5 versions with 2 versions each, they could have easily had squeezed out 3 more unique worlds.

>>382837193
I wanted a spiritual successor to banjo Kazooie, not Banjo Tooie and with less content and bad design choices.

>>382837325
>Mario 64
I AM THE SCATMAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3kgIqKOzfw

>>382837474
Wew

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>>382834237
>Game that's trying to do revolutionize 3D platformers like BOTW did to open worlds and adventure games
vs
>Game that's trying to be another platformer like you used to play
If Hat in Time doesn't release before Odyssey changes the face of the genre they're absolutely fucked. Playtonic should be thankful they got their game in the door before significant Odyssey content was shown off.

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>cut the mini games nobody asked for
>no multiplayer, focus on the single player experience
>make the levels smaller, in similar size to the BK levels, with memorable locations and events, instead of the copy-paste assets and huge empty lifeless repetitive messes that we have now
>as to the previous one, this also means getting rid of the changeable level sizes that probably wasted a lot of development time
>redesign the main characters to look more appealing and not complete garbage
>npc and emeny character designs that are not complete garbage and fit the world/level they are meant for
>the ability to skip cutscenes
>more variety of and meaningfulness of collectables
>more enemy variety
>no arbitrary power bar, go back to collecting ammo varieties like eggs and feathers for special moves


How to fix Yooka-Tooie

>>382837193
>They delivered what they promised down to a T.

No. Banjo has some of the best level design in the industry, and that's why it was so great. YL is a disjointed mess.

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>>382838415
>before Odyssey changes the face of the genre
>it's just a retread of Mario 64 with better visuals and a non-platforming related hat gimmick

>>382838415
What is Mario Odyssey revolutionizing exactly? The capture gimmick has been done before.

>>382836794

*Collectathons were never good

>>382839023
>tfw no one played Mindjack which did the gimmick better with online invasion and co-op

>>382838415

>changes the genre

All Mario Odyssey is doing is going the Banjo-Kazooie route

>>382839073
What is the difference though?

>>382834897

Not that guy, but which ones? The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are:

>Shitty controls
I never had any issues at all. I can't imagine anyone having issues unless they have motor difficulties.
>Shitty camera
Another one a lot of people complain about that puzzles me as the only time I had an issue is when the cloud I was racing in the first level slammed into me, causing the camera to have a seizure.
>Too few worlds
That I definitely agree with.

>>382837157
Most of the platforming done is brain dead. No real danger of falling into bottom-less pits, no need to jump on enemies, as you can just roll on them or shoot eggs. You merely jump to collect crap 90 percent of the time, just to get to the next area and do the same. The sequel raised that up to eleven, and DK 64 was just another banjo with DK skins, The music in all three of them were terrible, which in turn effects atmosphere, making the game just seem bland. that's my two-cents on Rares platformers for the 64

>>382838568
holy shit is that a JOJO reference!!!!!!!!!!

>>382833994

>Right now I'm replaying the old spyro games and they haven't aged well.

How so? They're as fun as ever to me.

>>382839023
>it's just a retread of Mario 64

That alone is good enough. It's about time that any game at all had physics based platforming that allowed at least as much freedom of movement two decades after the original. I can easily see this having more varied level design and a more graded difficulty curve too.

>>382838568
>cut the mini games nobody asked for
You asked for more Banjo, Banjo has minigames. Just GOOD minigames that control well.
>no multiplayer, focus on the single player experience
Agreed
>make the levels smaller, in similar size to the BK levels, with memorable locations and events, instead of the copy-paste assets and huge empty lifeless repetitive messes that we have now
Between BK and BT in scale is probably the sweet spot. Kazooie is too small. You're being handed jiggies constantly because there isn't enough room to put in proper challenges for all of them even. Kazooie has really really fucking tiny levels.
Especially since we can probably do larger sized levels without loading screens, there is absolutely no reason to make them Kazooie small.
>redesign the main characters to look more appealing and not complete garbage
Design wise they both look fine, they just needed some clothes to give them a bit more personality
>npc and emeny character designs that are not complete garbage and fit the world/level they are meant for
Agreed, a lot of nonsensical shitheads like the royal pigs are in really unfitting places. And then there's stuff like the tonic lady that should never have existed in the first place
>more variety of and meaningfulness of collectables
>more enemy variety
>no arbitrary power bar, go back to collecting ammo varieties like eggs and feathers for special moves
Agreed on all 3

Pretty much everything besides your retarded notion about the series map design is solid recommendations.

>>382835926
If it's what consumers want, how is it anti-consumer?

I bet you want Nintendo games on MS and Sony consoles.

>>382835370

Yeah, that one wasn't great.

>>382836048

Shame. Galleon Galaxy is one of the best levels in the game.

>>382835907

>the game delievered 100% of what it promised

Agreed.

>and improved on what the Banjo games were under every aspect.

Whoa, what? Graphics and the power meter, sure, but I can't think of much aside from those.

>>382839023
>nonplatforming
>you can literally use the hat as a platform

What did he mean by this?

>>382833845
It's a good start for Playtonic.
Honestly if it was that bad to some people than logically it can only get better from here, right?
Playtonic arent the kind of dev team to repeat the same mistakes twice, right?

Let's hope not.

>>382836540

When was it patched? I played it a few days after release and had no camera issues at all.

>>382834237
A Hat in time is literally bootleg yooka-laylee.

>>382834897
>Can you address his criticisms
What criticisms? That it's bad? It's not bad. Addressed.

>>382837193

>the worlds were too large

I don't understand why they didn't have warp pads or something like Banjo-Tooie. Sure, you don't really need them anymore once you can fly, but you don't get that until the tail end of the game.

>>382839023
>>382839068
All Odyssey has to do to revolutionize 3D platformers is not be garbage

>>382833845
This genre died for a reason

>>382833845
As someone who backed Yooka-Laylee on kickstarter for over $300 and read into the events that lead to Jons removal instead of straight up blaming Devs at playtonic, I still don't think this game was perfect, but like many anons here are saying it delivered precisely what it was supposed to.

All the little issues I personally had with this game technically have been fixed at this point.
And let's not forget there's still more content to come for this game.

>>382842257
>300 dollaroos
Lord

Mario is literally coming out this year.
Crash just came out(tho not big world)
Just cuz the washed up banjo kazooie guys make mediocre games doesnt mean the genre is dead.

I liked Yooka Laylee and I wasn't even very nostalgic for it. That said it didn't bring the genre up to date in a good way (if at all), but I truly believe there is a way to make a proper 3D free-roam platformer that's fun to play in the modern era, such as faster gameplay and making collecting lots of shit more satisfying and less of a chore.

I want more cartoony 3D platformers anyway. The kind of freedom they offer in movement and design just can't be compared to other sandbox genres.

Maybe Mario Odyssey can set a good example. Mario always gets things right, somehow.

>>382834115
Maybe. Hopefully.

I think one of the biggest knocks against the game is that, while the music is good, the sound design is just fucking terrible.
>Those noises in the playtonic intro
>The way they fucked up the talking
>Little things like Yooka having an ill-fitting squeaky noise to his footsteps when he walks on ice
The sound effects were fucking stock garbage tier in this game, its clear they only brought Grant back for the music, they needed him to at least manage the sound design again IMO.

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>>382834115
>Tim Schafer without a boss, restrictions, or deadlines
>Ever making good content
The man needs to fucking accept that he can't be the boss already.

The games just OK (like a 6 or 7 out of 10). But it has a few baffling decisions. Like the structure of the game is kinda fucked. I unlocked every world ASAP to unlock all the moves, to minimize getting stonewalled during exploration because I didn't have the right move. This led to me getting flight like 36 pagies in, at that point actually playing the game and engaging in environmental navigation/platforming was basically a self-imposed challenge.
Also world expansion sounds like a good idea on paper, but it either isn't a good idea at all, or they just mangled its implementation in game. It's supposed to help you get familiar with the level before it gets really big, but learning half a level doesn't really help you. Especially with some of the later levels where there's basically nothing in them pre-expansion.

>>382835926
Shut the fuck up your commie

Mario Odyssey is honestly looking like a better actual collectathon than we've seen in years.
>moons don't boot you out of the map, and are hidden everywhere

>>382835907
If the controversy with him never happened, I wonder what the reception of Yooka-Laylee would have been.

>>382843630
Probably a not bad not amazing reception instead of getting dunked on by every reviewer.

At this point nearly everyone working in the industry has an axe to grind in one direction or the other concerning the left or right. Playtonic managed to piss off both sides.

>>382839595

It's anti-consumer because it means less choice. Exclusivity is superficial and artificial. Why does Nintendo want Oddysey to be exclusive to a Nintendo console? Because it means they get more console sales because they own the system that game is released on. What difference would it make if the game was ported to PC? None at all, it just means less choice to play on the systems you currently own and would have to arbitrarily spend more money on hardware you otherwise wouldn't need.

It does not benefit you, it only benefits Nintendo.

>>382843396
>corporate shill who does it for free

>>382837474
>10 year anniversary edition
jesus, I'm getting old

>>382838415
Space Station Silicon Valley came out nearly 2 decades ago and did Odysseys gimmick better

>>382845606
While I do technically agree with you that locking games behind a bunch of different branded boxes is anti-consumer, have you considered that often times the lists of best games for each gen are historically littered with exclusives? Being able to focus on one platform certainly seems to do something for the quality of a game.

>>382840923
They made some pretty bad design decisions that made it into the final product despite their previous experience making games. I'd say its worth being cautious about their next game

>>382839023
>retread of Mario 64 with better visuals
>Better visuals

Even that's up in the air.

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>>382834237
>3d Platformers are so bad that our only hope now is A Hat in Time

Fuck this

>>382845805
correlation does not equal causation.

>have you considered that often times the lists of best games for each gen are historically littered with exclusives
There is no way to objectively quantify that. and you are also arbitrarily dividing timeline by console generations

>>382846470
Most of the games that are considered best games of all time have been console exclusive for at least some point of their lives and you're just gonna ignore that?

I don't know what people expected, I will eventually get dirt cheap on steam, I don't really mind waiting. I don't care if it has all the flaws of oldschool 3D platformers, that's all I want and if it delivers that it'll be great, if it actually fixes the problems 3D platformers had even better.

>>382846573
Until you establish causation, yes.

>>382845805
Well you have those companies invest a large amount of money into a project, so of course there is going to be some kind of disparity between something like Zelda vs an independent game. But even then, you have things like paid reviews, hype, marketing that sells you the idea that these games are better than they actually are. Take Uncharted for example, which is a fairly bog standard cover shooter with simple and linear mechanics, but is buffered with production values to make it appear like it is something special. I would say that this is detrimental to the game's potential if it had a goal different to 'sell a console's graphics' and detrimental to the game industry as a whole, as game companies try to compete with cinematics and visuals instead of focusing on gameplay. It also has the double effect of making it difficult for third party developers to compete with those kinds of graphics on the same console because they lack the first-party knowledge of optimization and other tricks that first-party developers are blessed with. And at the same time making it less profitable to develop a game with graphics genuinely better because it cannot run on anything other than a PC.

I played until the Casino level, a shame cuz I found later that there was a space level but I just wanted to put the game down.
I thought it was meh, not bad but not great.
Movement is good, some powerups are great, transformations are awful and at times dont really fit into the level thematically, running around the level is boring, enemies are all very samey, levels are at times too fucking big for their own good (i would much rather have smaller BK sized levels and higher number of them than just 6 big ass levels) and characters are fun for the most part.

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>>382846576
wait for A Hat in TIme, it has actual gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdfWqiCzCbw

>>382846573
Are you gonna ignore that if those games were not exclusive to a platform that they would still just be the same games?

>>382841097
wew

>>382848282
Im arguing that they wouldn't necessarily exist or exist in the same capacity without exclusivity.

>>382850124
I disagree. If you have the exact same people working on the exact same game you would get the same result, exclusivity means the flip of a switch.

>>382833994

Devs being...wha? since when are the Rare guys SJWs?

how old are you?

christ you gotta be like 6, you have no business weighing in on this stuff

>>382833994
>>382850478

Yeah it's worth pointing out the developers are not the ones being political, they removed a voice actor to avoid politics, it was the steam moderators fault.

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>>382833845
I didn't LOVE it, but I liked it. I want a sequel.

>>382850724
Can this be an AMA? How did you put up with the bad camera and empty, boring levels?

>>382850468
But working exclusively with the console's company while in development fundamentally changes the development process of the game. Without exclusivity the games very development would have played out entirely differently. Sure Mario 64 is Mario 64 no matter where you play it now a days, but lets say it had been developed multiplatform by Nintendo for Sony, Sega, and Atari or some other random third fill-in during the fifth gen. Would we have gotten the same game? Probably not,

Something about making a game exclusive seems to give better results.

>>382850978
They weren't empty.

I find people who complain about a bad camera to usually be unable to use the damn camera stick correctly.

>>382833927
60k Laylee was an awful attempt at making a Banjo spiritual successor. Instead it feels like an abysmal rip-off.

>>382833927
No, it was a failure like your life.

>>382850724
I thought the game was alright. The only thing that kept me playing was gameplay since the characters and designs of most things were terrible to me, but then I got the ability to fly and shortly after that I lost all motivation to continue.

I still think its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

>>382833845
RoR2 will save platformers

>>382851190
wow, rude!

Platforming is doing just fine nerd. Alot of them are just boring and soulless and for some reason it's noticable in platformers the most if it misses "that".

>>382835138
Gears of War was a great game. I mean, the first 3 games.

The game needed better character design to carry it, I think. How can they see so many people bitch about Laylee's nose for years and never bother to at least tweak the design a little bit? And Yooka wasn't that good either. Banjo and Kazooie made sense proportionally for their species with a toony factor added in. Yooka just looks like a random creature with some lizard shit thrown on. They should have made him a longer body or something at least. Trowzer is like the only good character design in my opinion.

>>382846202
What's so bad about that? It actually looks like fun

>>382851605
Shaky reputation due to DELAY DELAY DELAY development so far.

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leave 3d platformers to me.

>>382850478
Reminder, it's only /pol/ and e-celeb worshippers shitposting this game. Actually tortanic posters latched on too.

>>382851019
>>382850468
You're also not considering the driving force these games had behind them. Games like Mario 64 and OoT were made to sell the N64. Not just in the sense of "buy this over the PS1", but also "3D games are worth it guys, time to upgrade from your SNES now!" They put their blood sweat and tears into making sure these games were great, because there were a lot more people counting on them than just their little dev team.

>>382845606
Odyssey, or even Mario as we know it wouldn't exist if exclusivity didn't exist. There would be little reason for the big companies to make their brand more attractive if everything is either on one console, or only PC or something existed

>>382851859
>Unity
>VR game
>generic Main Character

It's not getting my hopes up

>>382853976
>unity
so what
>VR game
thats a plus
>generic main character
what the fuck are you on rn

It'll sell well on Switch.
Shit, I might end up re-buying it.

>>382833845
I love Yooka Laylee. I think I'll play it some more.

>>382839397
Kill yourself you subhuman, unwanted bastard child

>>382852171
So what youre saying is that they only made a good game because they had to try

>>382854474
tone it down, son

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>>382854159
>VR
>thats a plus

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>>382854159
He looks like every discount cartoon fox ever. Pic related, is how you come to a generic idea of a cartoon fox and change things up successfully

>>382851859
>>382833845
What is with all of these recent 3d platformer mascots looking like plastic?

>>382851859
All the secondary characters look nicer than him but we all know in terms of art it's going to be a Kass situation all over again where he's the only character drawn.

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>>382855017
>he cant afford vr
>>382855318
furry tumblr user detected

>>382835138
>Being this young
You have to be over 18 to post here.
Sous salon

>>382833845
>Ruin your PR and lose steam because you took a stance against someone who liked your game enough and was popular enough that you allowed him to do a meme voice over for someone
They were fucking retarded. There's a time and place for virtue signaling and standing by what you believe in but that wasn't either of them. You're a company first and foremost.

>>382851859
It's not though.
It's got 3D models - but it's as '3D platformer' as Dong Freeze - ie, not at all.
Also the main character sounds like a petulant child. 2/10 If I play it, it will be voices off.

>>382855929
People will deny it but a lot of people did know about YK through Jontron, and that's probably part of why it only sold 60k copies.

>>382855929
>jon tron fans think they matter
"kek"

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>>382840923
everything about yooka laylee shows they haven't learned from past games

i reall like 3d platformers but yooka laylee might be one of the worst 3d collectathons ever

>>382855719
I've tried VR extensively and came to the conclusion that its just a gimmick that I personally don't find interesting. No need to buy it, it's just common sense.

>>382856096
Well the game didn't even sell 100k copies and the people upset about it the most heard about it through Jontron, so

>>382843406
That's because it's a platformer first and a collectathon second.

There's only 2 things to collect. Coins and objectives. It's simple and to the point.

>>382856223
oh yeah? what game did you play then?

I just finished getting 100% on this game last night. It was great. Can't wait for the sequel :]

>>382856487
not really sound reasoning, but there'll be no convincing you I'm sure.

>>382835138
>fell for the pc meme
kek, all of the best games ever made are console exclusive.

>>382856712
>sequel
The game sold so poorly I doubt they have funds for a sequel.

>>382856712
I'd rather have a Y-L Diddy Kong Racing spiritual successor. I need another racing collectathon in my life.

>>382856792
>not really sound reasoning
How? The steam forums exploded with negative reactions to Jontron being removed to the point where the community manager mass banned people and only left an echo chamber for himself. If not for the scandal surrounding the game, it likely would have sold more. The people they caved to, Neogaf, weren't going to buy the game anyways.

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>>382833845

game forced bloom and blur was making me sick so I couldn't play it... game should always have a option to turn those off.. just saying..

>there are people here who only played it pre-patch

One mediocre game funded on Kickstarter hardly signals the death of a genre. Especially with the recent release of N'Sane Trilogy and the upcoming Mario game. The genre isn't huge like it used to be, but it still has the ocasional good game.

>>382856792
You're the one coming out with a huge hate boner against Jon Tron. The only thing you can argue about is the impact that the fiasco had since Jon Tron's reach is in the millions and since you can't prove who would've bought the game if it never happened there's 0 point in arguing about it.

This isn't even going into details like how in Steam they mass banned people and the mods were being passive aggressive to people and shit talking everyone in the forums.

>>382857090
I only made the two posts you have responded to. You are confused, turned around and probably in a bad way to really reason or debate with.

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Fact, besides Mario, which by some miracle manages to be at least decent every single time, 80% of 3D platformers are garbage.

>>382833845
>does this mean 3D Platformers are done with
Isn't this like eating a shitty burger then asking if everyone is done making good burgers? Why does this game being shitty influence a whole genre?

>>382856223
>>382856615
thats what i thought. kill yourself

>>382856615
What difference does it make? I tried many games and didn't like it. Don't be such a fanboy, go back to your corner and put your loser headgear back on you twat.

>>382857297
I'm so glad the Galaxy games are dead. Actual fucking 3D, let's go

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>>382855719
Lucky's design is bad and you should feel bad

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>>382857312
it is a car analogy

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>>382833845


Character designs are bad and uninteresting. Gruntilda was actually a more entertaining villain

>>382857503
How were the Galaxy games NOT 3D? I am preparing to be trolled, you be warned.

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>>382857297
>tfw haven't liked a 3d mario since sunshine
>tfw Odyssey probably wont change that
having platformers as your favorite genre is suffering

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>>382857230

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>>382857690
>not an argument
holy SHIT

Yo, you guys know some Super Mario 64 hacks with more linear level design that isn't kaizo bullshit? I wanna see how the physics would work in a more standard Mario game.

>>382857297
What does this image mean? I don't speak moon

>>382857893
Above: Reach the Goal 3D

Below: Sandbox 3D

>>382857893
Isn't it obvious what it means?

>>382851859
I'm getting this shit alongside my xbone x, I don't give a fuck

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>>382857327
>tried many games
>wont name one

you sound like those kids in first grade who bragged about playing those "m rated games" but could never tell you what the name of the main character was

>>382856887
>racing collectathon
Patrician genre, I hope crash revives this.

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>>382857665
>2014 was 3 years ago
what the fuck

>>382857598
it is? I don't follow I guess. My bad.

>>382858169
>tfw DKTF forever panned due to cancerous Metroid fans

>>382858089
Is it really that hard to believe that not everyone enjoys your pointless toy?

>>382855719
>>382857319
>>382858089
I sense personal investment with this VR shill bot. Spoilers, it's called buyer's remorse

shitposting aside my criticisms were mostly for the sound design and the character design, the self referential humor got old quick and they kept doing it all the way throughout the game which felt really grating at times, the game also treats you like a child at all times, way too many tutorials

>>382858863
There were too many tutorials when they expected most players to be Banjo Kazooie veterans. Really didn't make any sense.

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>>382858341
no i find it hard to believe that you ever played in VR before, thats all
>>382858671
still haven't named a game you "played" yet, haha wow pathetic

>>382858863
>>382859129
Really? YL barely has tutorials, outside of the first five minutes where they teach you the controls, you're free as soon as you enter the first world, around 15 minutes in.

>>382843150
Has literally made nothing but great, charming, loveable games, same as always.

>>382844936
>Playtonic managed to piss off both sides.

how? all they did was remove a racist from the game

>>382859221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2sCJpR3x8o

Try again, shill bot

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>the sperglords pretending they played VR in this thread

>>382860101
all this does is confirm to me that you have indeed never played VR and are just parroting long since deleted crowbcat videos, so why do i have to try again? lol

>>382859826
They pissed of Neogaf for having Jontron in the game intially, who in fact weren't going to buy the game even if he was removed
Then they pissed off Jontron fans and people who were tired of politically-charged decisions in video games.
The ONLY people who cared about Jontron being in the game was Neogaf.

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>>382860282
I tried most of the games in that video and had about the same experience. What games do you think are worth playing on VR?

Do you people not consider Crash and Sonic Generations/Forces 3D platformers or something?

>>382860178
Wrong thread you dimwit. Go shill your shitty toy on /g/ instead.

>>382861312
Crash is a fucking remake nigga

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>>382860178
>STOP CRITICIZING MY OVERPRICED GIMMICK TOY THAT HAS NO GAMES REEEEEEEEEE

>>382861312
People can't wrap their heads around the concept that you can still move in 3D without being a sandbox collectathon.

>>382861274
Not the shitty demos that were released right when the game was launched? Onward, Echo Arena, Unspoken are good starters mate.

>>382861609
yes it has no games that you have played because you have never tried it. now stop pretending like you have baby boy

>>382861794
>n-no! you're wrong! You don't like VR because you never played it! Criticism for vr is a myth!

No one likes you here.


>>>/g/

>>382861980
you can criticize vr till your panties dry but if you come into the thread saying that you've "played many games on it" dont get offended when people call your shitposting bluff lol

>>382862259
You didn't call my bluff though? I played VR and didn't enjoy it. How is that hard to understand? Not everyone is going to like what you like, and if you don't realize that soon you are going to have a hard time once you leave high school, son.

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>it's a VR shill bot ruins another thread unrelated to VR episode

>>382862756
>I played VR and didn't enjoy it
you haven't provided the names of any games you tried on it so i just dont believe you

>>382862965
You really think someone would do that? Just go onto the internet and say lies?

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>>382858276

It fucking stings

>Rare sold to Microsoft
>DK left in a state of limbo with shit experimental titles for almost a decade
>Most of Metroid Prime leaves after 3
>Retro releases DKCR
>Sequel announced
>WE JUST HAD DONKEY KONG! WHY ISN'T THIS METROID?! 4/10 NOT METROID

Metroid fans are seriously cancerous. Guess I'll have wait another decade for another Donkey Kong game.

>>382865215

Meant to say most of the Prime team left after 3.

>>382834242
>Dat buyer's remorse
Don't you mean post-purchase rationalization? The people who didn't like the game had buyer's remorse....

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If this fails, then I give up on indie 3D platformers.

People hate on the dev (which is justified) and really want it to fail, but I do hope it's good. It's been delayed like 4 times already, so hopefully it turns out good.

>>382866306

I knew the guy that's working on it personally. He's a cunt for how he treated MaxofS2D. I knew the guy on a mario forum from 10 years ago and apparently he put viruses in downloads for his fangames.