Yoko Taro vs Hideo Kojima

one is a cynical nihilist 16 year old retard and the other is obsessed with movies and celebrities
I'd rather just don't think about them

>Who is the Hideaki Anno of video games?
You can't really go more meta than NieR: Automata's ending E so I'd say Yoko Taro.

1 teased me an whole 2nd chapter that never delivered.
The other did the the same thing and delivered.

>>382825403
Taro is a much better storyteller and actually seems to have something to say and does it in an incredibly interesting way
Kojima has some good ideas but simply inserts cool ideas in without any actual meaning behind them or planning

Anno is better than both tho

Kojima might have been better at his height, but after more than a decade of being shit he averages out as nothing special.

nier sucks and is overrrated

>>382825558
This.

>>382825558
fpbp

>>382825403
Neither, one writes post-apocalyptic anime, the other apes hollywood schlock. They're about as profound as Michael Bay.

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>>382825403
Yoko Taro can make the most out of the budget he is given. Nier Automata is evidence of that. Hideo Kojima, while being a fantastic developer with great ideas, is shit at managing a budget.

>>382828254
There is no such thing as a profound piece of media.

>>382825558
>>382828254
wowww man you're so intellectual and have such amazing taste, it takes a lot of work to be that unconditionally dismissive

>>382825558
Absolutely abhorrent post.

>>382827217
>incredibly interesting way
By having shit-tier budgets and loads of really important character/story information in japanese fucking concerts and stage plays? Really?

>>382825403
Kojima's only good game was MGS3
Kojima's only good story was MGS2
I think Kojima's very overrated, while Yoko Taro has to show his potential by making some more games with budgets that aren't two bottles of rice wine
But to be fair I shouldn't judge Kojima on the basis of only one game series either

>>382828940
Pfft. Have a (You). Child.

>>382825403
One makes games with horrible gameplay and passes it off as a statement, writes terrible and cliched characters and passes it off as a statement, and writes a nonsensical stories while passing it off as a statement.

Then there's Kojima who knows how to make a game with good gameplay and writes cliched yet still interesting and well developed stories/characters.

>>382829339
>interesting and well developed stories
>dude snek metal gear lmaoooo xD
Nice try Kojima.

>>382829176
I knew people existed who thought MGS2 had the best story but damn. It is a 'this all happened before and it will happen again' story with a nice believe in yourself ending. I felt embarrassed when I finished it.

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>>382825403
The biggest shame is that Yoko Taro hasn't gotten a budget as big as Kojima to work with.

Kojima turned into a complete hack after MGS3, and even then he was just a wannabe hollywood movie director who wrote completely retarded plots held together by the sheer amounts of random bullshit he pulled.

Yoko Taro was always a no-budget hack who can't design a game to save his life and is more interested in sending a message and muh feelings instead of an actually working story. Also muh stage plays and muh concerts

>>382830028
You clearly didn't understand it
Replay it
Or read some stuff: the gameplay is a chore to get through, I wouldn't blame anyone to just skip the game and watch a playthrough of it

>>382830175
Let's be real here, there has never been a game with a good story.

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>>382825917
Ending E is basically Evangelion's themes applied to 4th wall breaking inter-group relations instead of Evangelion's inter-personal relations.

Taro definitely needs more budget and a decent editor to keep him in check. He does not care about filling in plot holes in a convenient way.

I still haven't played OG Nier, no PS3 unfortunately, but Automata strikes me as try hard. Not entirely in a bad way. It doesn't have the budget, time, nor writing to sell its melodrama 100%, but it tries its best.

In some areas it tries too hard and its annoying. In some areas it tries hard enough that I manage to care about characters that I hardly know, like when 9S first gets kidnapped.

>>382830028
>It is a 'this all happened before and it will happen again' story with a nice believe in yourself ending. I felt embarrassed when I finished it.

Its very specifically a "it doesn't have to happen again" story and there's nothing wrong with positivism. You should've seen it coming concidering the entire story is about groups hating each other.

Kojima is well past his prime. Everything he did after MGS3 is trash. He's pompous, he's pretentious, he clearly thinks too highly of himself and i don't believe he will ever make a single good game. At this point he just wants to make movies. His storytelling peaked at MGS2 and honestly, aside from a few postmodern titbits it wasn't that special at all.

Taro is a weird but also a genuinely nice person who is always open to auditory and likes to downplay his own works. He's way better at storytelling and using interactivity of the medium to convey it. There's just something very genuine and heartfelt in his work, even in Drakengard which is his only game with a real edgelord stuff going on for it.

>>382830303
Good? Sure, theres loads
Great? No

Either of those by these 2 people? Fuck no.

>>382825403
best story: yoko taro > hideo kojima
best gameplay: hideo kojima > yoko taro

>>382830609
>Good? Sure, theres loads
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>382830609
Give five examples of good stories.

>>382828940
Speaking of dismissive, I wonder if you realize the irony there.

>>382825403
Suda 51

>>382830768
As if you would even consider them as good after a question like that. No matter what I say you'll just shit on it.
It all comes down to opinions anyway so why even bother
>>382830720
dude ebin burn lmao

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>>382830656
>Kojima
>Gameplay
>>382830851
his guy gets it: trinity is
Suda51, Kamiya, Ancel

>>382830938
So you were just shitposting. Got it.

>>382830938
Oh, what's the matter, anon, too scared to actually show some examples to prove your words?

>>382825403
I want to see a Taro project with a Kojima budget. He'd probably only drink away half of it.

I'm gonna say Yoko, square Enix is paragon compared to konami

>>382831328
He writes better stories when he's drunk so it's okay as long as he won't die from alcoholism.

>>382825403
Yoko Taro. Not for the plots of his games, but for the weapon stories that appear in them.

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>>382831365
Honestly i wish Taro to never get too close to Square because it already fucked over some other talented directors.

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Is Yoko Taro a vidya director for gentlemen of INTP origin? I don't think anyone else except some xFxx fags (for the wrong reasons) appreciate his stuff.

bioshock infinite
>said to be furthering the medium and its storytelling
>incredibly repetitive and mediocre gameplay
>visually bland
>horrible level design
>only remembered for the porn and waifufaggotry
>written by a guy who likes stories that he doesn't understand and who is more interested in what people think about choices instead of the choices themselves
>creates linear as fuck stories with massive plotholes and no player agency or depth

nier automata
>said to be furthering the medium and its storytelling
>incredibly repetitive and mediocre gameplay
>visually bland
>horrible level design
>only remembered for the porn and waifufaggotry
>written by a guy who doesn't even care about having a story, and more about the feelings he can affect with games
>creates linear as fuck stories with massive plotholes and no player agency or depth even if he had multiple different occasions to have that player agency in

I'm glad I only got memed into playing automata, if that is Yokos best game, thank god I didn't suffer through all his other drivel

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One thing i can say about Taro for sure, he can actually write love stories.

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>>382831252
Well sure then

Bioshock 1
Bioshock 2
Red Dead Redemption
W3 Hearts of Stone
W3 Blood and Wine

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>>382825558
>cynical nihilist

I bet all people criticing plots in these thread are those who need that stiff ultra-repetitive structure of ascending climax downfall and finale shit in every plot so they can recognize it everywhere

>>382832283
Taro even barely tells a story
He just shoves a fuckload of the actual story into whothefuckevencares japanese concerts and stage plays

And Kojima shoves so much random bullshit in his stories that its pretty much impossible to care about

>>382832759
Like what, I finished Automata a couple days ago and I didn't really notice any plot holes or gaps in the story. Only thing that didn't make sense was why 2B could kill 9S by choking him.

>>382832759
I don't know anon: didn't play Automata but Nier felt like a plot to me, a plot wrote to be specifically functional with its themes, but maybe this makes it more likeable so I'd not say it's a flaw

As for Kojima, random bullshit gives it charm
I mean: wasn't Alice in Wonderland a bunch of random bullshit too?

>>382833039
Random bullshit and its charm is the only thing that held MGS together up until MGS4. Charm isnt the only thing a story needs to be good though, everything about
>nanomachines
>the enemy team in 2
>muh patriots
and much more is just so pants on head retarded that its really difficult to care about fucking anything
>>382832924
Like actual reasons to care about the characters?
Both 2B and A2 are bland as fuck. You can point to all the implying and all the foreshadowing of whats really going on, but its lackluster as fuck. A2 especially is just a blank wall for 9S to autistically scream at.

One makes weeb waifu anime girl bait to sell his games.
That's all I need to know.

>>382835868
Ugh girl fetishists am I right?

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>>382825403
They're both complete hacks, but Yoko is at least somewhat endearing.

>>382836094
There's nothing wrong with girls. I'm saying that one makes generic weeb waifu bait to sell games. It's a smart business decision.

>>382833669
>You can point to all the implying and all the foreshadowing of whats really going on, but its lackluster as fuck
No, it's not. The game is littered with foreshadowing and seemingly random remarks that only make sense later both in main story and side quests.

>>382825403
Kojima is shit without a cowriter that tells him to stopp going full retard. Just look at the games after snake eater http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1168506

Doesnt help that yoko taro game is either shit or good no inbetween. I would rate kojima higher based off the first 3 mgs games, but the last few games has sucked dick now. Likewise yoko taro only good game were nier and automata.

If i had to choose between playing yoko taro games or kojima games from now on id choose yoko taro, story is better written and the gameplay direction is a breath of fresh air also the pacing is much better.

>>382836725
>“I had to re-audition for Metal Gear 3 to play Naked Snake. They made me re-audition to play Old Snake, and the whole time, they were trying to find somebody else to do it. I heard that Kojima asked one of the producers on Metal Gear 3 to ask Kurt Russell if he would take over for that game. He didn’t want to do it.”
Wow what the fuck

>>382825403
Kojima at his peak with MGS (around 2 or 3) > Taro at his current peak. There's proper time and place for meta commentary, its a delicate thing that needs careful execution, and Taro is still working out the kinks for it, Mainly by sticking with tropes. If he keeps doing it too much, he's going to wash it out and turn it into a gimmick. Kojima executed it perfectly and springboarded one of the best game series in the industry that will always be fondly remembered by both its early niche and the mainstream that adopted and adored it.

If Taro manages to climb out of his current niche but keep his style in tact he can do great things and really leave a serious mark on the industry. Kojima however has already made his mark in the gaming industry, and it runs deep. Its not really a fair comparison.

>>382837279
I still can't believe this would happen from japan: MGS3 is okay since BB is a different character and should've got a different voice, but MGS4 is really fucking weird from japan: the land which refused to change the voice to Goku after he got adult

>kojima never went balls out and had himself as a canon in-game boss
Disappointing.
And Taro has forever been hamstrung by bad budgets, deadlines and until recently, developers. We haven't seen full Taro yet.
Kojima has disappeared really far up his own ass, but I believe that one day he'll pull his head out and do something truly remarkable again

>>382833669
>"I don't know a thing about MGS or Neir, the post."

>>382837668
Its kojima. He wanted to expand his network in hollywood through MGS, which meant getting rid of Hayter.

Thank god he couldn't pull it off until MGSV

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Yoko Taro vs Hideo Kojima fighting with giant swords while wearing lingerie on top of Metal Gear Rex at sun set

Who wins?

>>382838410
Kojima will land hit after hit on Taro until his mask splits open, revealing another Kojima inside.

>>382838410
Yoko Taro because he will get that ex gangster buff motherfucker Kamiya pose as him again thanks to the mask

>>382838576
Then they break down in front of each other and one makes the ultimate sacrifice later at the end but the audience doesn't get told which one did it. Fade to black on Kojima(Taro?) Staring off into distance. Cue sad anime music.

Both need editors to reach their true potential, but Taro is much better IMO.

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>>382838576
>>382838607
Of course, the masters of ruse, ruse-ing each other.

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>>382825403

>>382838750
Then you have to replay the fight other 5 times to get to the true ending.

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Honestly i love Taro's subtleness way more.

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>>382825558
This, they're both talentless hackfrauds.

Well NieR did everything MGSV was supposed to do, so hes automatically better

Raiden and 9S crossover on a quest for revengeance.

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>>382839945
>a 16 years old-looking guy managed to go nuclear better than an old soldier
It's still a mystery how the fuck Taro managed to pull it out so well.