Is this the best the Tales of series has to offer? Did I fuck

>>382776641
Some say it is. I've never played it.

I don't recommend going to the newer ones barring Berseria, but playing older games like Legendia, Abyss, Eternia, and Destiny might be nice. There's Graces and Hearts too, but I know shit about Hearts and only know that some praise Graces combat.
Phantasia is old but I like it a lot, and it's not even nostalgia since I never bothered playing the SNES version and never owned a PS.

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I bought Berseria today. The combat is pretty interesting, I hope I can actually juggle shit down the line.

>>382776641
Yeah you did. Vesperia can't be topped.

Vesperia has slightly more refined gameplay but Abyss is far and away the best in the series for story, characters and atmosphere/immersion.

TotA > most other JRPGs >>>>> every other Tales game

>>382777471
>juggle
Not so much. Stunlock into semi-infinites? Very easily later on. With the right conditions enemies can so hit-stunned you can literally run around for a couple seconds before continuing.

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>>382776641
You absolutely fucked yourself over. Vesperia did almost everything 100% correct. However, if you enjoyed the core gameplay and the silly skit antics, you'll overlook the flaws of other games and enjoy them too.

I personally recommend playing Abyss, Hearts R, Xillia 2, and Berseria. And if you can handle power of friendship stories, play Graces f as well, because the combat can get pretty fucking intense in that game.

>>382777982
Abyss isn't the best in the series by far. It also has 1/3th of the game just travelling from city to city and drama going on. It was a nightmare to pull through that boring as fuck part. The characters weren't very memorable for most part. Luke is a whiny bitch, never liked him even at the end. Tear has nice design. Forgot the rest. The game is also broken with free run since it was new there.

I prefer Vesperia simply because it doesn't follow the generic "I'm just a bitchy kid that needs to grow up" meme. Also, content wise it's the biggest Tales.

>>382778000
Any tips for what combo I should be doing early game?

>>382778386
Experiment and see what you find fun. Velvet can really do anything she wants because her Break Soul (R2) can reset the combo and keep it going. It picks up downed enemies, it feels almost like a fighting game.

>>382778630
Yeah she feels good to use. I'll continue to fuck around with her moves.

I'm a good amount of hours into the game now. All this time I'm basically just using the A button, which I left on the 'you choose' setting.

Should I customize Artes at this point? I kinda don't want to recustomise my artes every boss-fight, but I feel I'm missing out on the good stuff.

>>382779034
By which I mean I'm playing Berseria right now.

>>382778012
How dependent on Xillia 1 is 2? I played Xillia and dropped it after spoilers because the gameplay wasn't really that interesting to me anymore up to that point, the plot was retarded from the start, and Jude and Milla are shit MCs.
A friend of mine swears by Xillia 2, but I can't really see me playing it after developing hate towards the first.

Also. Leia best girl

>>382778386
With Velvet literally anything. She is broken and can destroy mostly everything by doing a combo string-break soul-combo into special ender. Ironically that same "tactic" works through the entirety of the game for her. Her break soul also picks up downed enemies, guard breaks 99% of times, will reset your combo string without you losing the combo and can be used infinitely as long as you have enough souls, even while you're already on therion mode. She also cant die in therion mode, when her HP reaches 1 either from damage or health loss from her tranformation she'll automatically do the special finisher herself instead of dying.

Other characters feel significantly gimped in the beginning in comparison but will become extremely strong the more you level.

Eizen is even better at PvE/crowd control than Velvet.
Rokurou is a parry beast, works amazingly for bosses.
Magic users can mash buttons later on and kill everything.

Etc. Lastly, later on you get more break souls that help a lot.

>>382776641
Pretty much, yeah.

>>382779113
When you get a new move, if you haven't changed the default strings at all, the new moves will automatically replace previous ones.

Later you get the ability to use paired arte strings. This means that every arte after awhile will have a follow up arte if you hold down the button you pressed. If all the artes you have set in a button have this you can hold down the button and all consecutive artes will come out. Mixing that up between holding or tapping the buttons will enable you to use a good variety of artes once you learn what arte does what etc.

>>382779531
Thanks bro!

>>382776641
There are only three BAD mainline Tales games.

Zestiria
Tempest
Symphonia 2

of those three, two were demoted to "escort title" status anyway. zestiria was 'rescued' or salvaged, however you want to look at it, by the Ufotable anime that Bamco clearly paid out the nose for, so it could directly tie the lore into Berseria. everything about Zestiria besides the game was basically Bamco putting out a bunch of fires and damage-controlling its impact on the reputation of the series. Baba was demoted as well.

besides those three I think there are merits to playing all the Tales games from Destiny to Symphonia to Hearts R to Graces F to Xillia 2. Putting them into tiers isn't really necessary imo, cuz what you like about one game, others might dislike in another game, so it's all about how the ingredients are mixed that makes everyone have 'different tastes' about the series

>>382776641
Yes, Vesperia was the peak of the series, now they are just recycling the same shit over and over.

>>382779138
Xillia 1 and 2 are basically a combo deal. If you don't play the original you will be fucking baffled.

That said, you need to put space between finishing X1 and starting up X2, since one of the 'features' of X2 was being able to revisit locations and dungeons from the first game. So if you try to run thru X1 you will burn yourself out very fast on X2.

X1 is worth playing anyway, the dub is great and Milla is a fun protagonist. just turn your brain off whenever they show alvin doing some suspicious shit only for the group to keep trusting him.

Phantasia, Symphonia, Abyss, and Berseria are also pretty dang good.

>>382779138
>How dependent on Xillia 1 is 2
Do you mean story wise? I'd say a lot, even though it's made in such a way it can technically be sold to people who haven't played 1 because they touch on things that happened in it briefly when necessary. But the alternate dimension shenanigans won't have quite the same impact if you aren't familiar with the characters, and I liked seeing where they ended up after a year.

>>382781051
I played Xillia and Xillia 2 back to back and the reused assets didn't bother me at all. The only thing that was off to me about Xillia 2 is that the whole thing felt like fanfiction. Really compelling fanfiction, because I did like it a lot, but I just couldn't shake that feeling.

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>>382776641
Personally like Abyss, simply because I had never seen a Main character do such a 180 in peersonality as hard as Luke did.
Also, pic related for Tear in a swimsuit.

play the 2d games

>>382781336
the only part that really got into 'fanfic' territory for me was Alt Milla. I genuinely do not understand why they did that. They could have come up with any number of reasons for Original Milla to show up again, but decided to trap her in a spirit-bubble so she could watch an identical clone of herself from an alternate dimension flirt with Ludger and sass everyone else.

>>382781051
That sucks. Think I'll just power through the last bits. My friend told me that I dropped it REALLY close to finishing it After defeating Maxwell and going to the parallel world. Infiltrating the bad dudes base and all. I was just tired of it all, didn't care a bit. I can't accept how Jude fell in love with Milla, even if he was clearly depressed at the start of the game.
He's just kind of "there" the whole game for simply having nothing better to do. The reason I like Leia is that she is following the group because she really likes Jude.

>>382781430
Even in a one-piece she looked fine as hell.

>>382781638
Jude and Milla are really cute as a couple imo, they have an adorable scene in X2 when you visit the "Lovers Waterfall" where Jude gets embarrassed and won't say what they did offscreen

Eh, Vesperia was my first tales of game too and i still really enjoyed Symphonia and Xillia.

It has the best waifus. People that say it's the best haven't played Symphonia, which IMO is miles ahead of any other tales

>>382781638
Jude falls for Milla because the game is about spirits and humans coming closer together. Jude is fascinated by science and spirits, and through his research and his relationship with Milla, he gains a greater understanding of spirits and eventually creates Spyrix/Spyrites.

>>382781638
Yeah, you're almost there.

>I can't accept how Jude fell in love with Milla, even if he was clearly depressed at the start of the game.
It's the standard gentle girl falls for stoic man on a mission and dedicates herself to supporting him him trope but gender flipped.

>>382781781
I agree. I'm not a shipperfag in the slightest but I really liked them.

>>382781908
>Symphonia
It's called nostalgia googles

Vesperia is definitely the best from a combo fiend pure combat standpoint.

Symphonia has the far better soundtrack and story and cast, as well as having a more traditional role-based RPG type of gameplay that later games took away.

>>382781908
You can't mention Symphonia without cocksniffers like
>>382781970
Anymore. The game aged fine and even if you play it for the first time today it holds up extremely well. Its a fucking JRPG, the genre is much the same today its not some ancient isometric WRPG.

>>382781970
No, I replayed it on PS3 recently and can confirm. The neo/v/ generation are the ones having nostalgia with Vesperia

>>382782119
the PS3 version of Symphonia is the best one but it also shows the game's age, i feel

the characters and dialogue are fine for the most part but people who praise it are forgetting crap like Latheon Gorge or Ymir Forest which are just awful.

>>382782164
I don't say Symphonia is bad, but Vesperia is a better game almost at everything.

>>382776641
kind off yeah. now you gonna wish you played vesperia everytime you play a new tales game.

>>382776641
Switch port fucking when

>>382782164
>>382782705
>>382782706
Symphonia was the first one I played, back on the NGC. I loved it. After playing it again on PC I liked it still, but it wasn't quite the same as playing it back then. I did get an urge to play Legendia, though.

>>382782119
>Being a fanboy
neck yourself Sympony-kun

>>382782705
>PS3
>best
lolno, Gamecube for life.
B-BUT MUH EXTRA ATTACKS AND 3 EXTRA SKITS!
Not worth halving the framerate and completely getting rid of the cel shading.

>>382782705
>Ymir Forest
I never forgot Ymir Forest because I have the honor of being one of the three people who enjoyed that section.

>>382783013
For the most part the overwhelming majority of video games do not age. Especially something from the 2000's.

>>382782706
except the music. and the story. and the characters.

Just graphics and combat.

>>382776641
Yeah, you did. But try to look at the bright side: you didn't play a shitty one first, get turned off the series and end up never playing Vesperia.

Hows the OST of the tales?

Is there any romance? cant play an rpg where theres no love story.

>>382783164
That's somewhat strange. I hear lots of people talk shit about Symphonia's story. I do like it though.

>>382776641
No, Berseria is the best tales.

>>382783273
Even if you find Symphonia's story to be generic JRPG stuff, it's told well, and at least it fucking HAS a story, which is more than I can say for Vesperia.

Still pissy they didn't release this for PS3.

>>382776641
Most will say yes but I don't care for it much. Combat is sluggish compared to every other game in the series I've played; when I started Dark Souls 2, Vesperia is the first game I thought of. I had to play as Judith to get even rudimentary enjoyment out of the game. The cast is alright but I prefer Abyss's.

>>382782705
Symphonia runs better on the gamecube but the ps3 got more content. depends on what you want.

>>382778372
I think your problem was that you played english dub instead of japanese undub.

>>382783365
Yeah, it is really generic but indeed it is told well. I don't find it badly paced at all.

>>382783273
There's some key moments in Symphonia's story that are notably bad. But they don't bring down the overall story in any context except /v/ greentext lists.

>>382783232
You're retarded.

>>382783273
Only people that say this are the ones who fucked up and got zelos instead of kratos

>>382783387
...in english.

>>382783232
The OST is pretty good but can sound pretty samey from game to game.

Some games have romance, some have moments that hint towards romance but have no payoff, and some have no romance at all.

>>382783472

And you have asscancer, now anser my question.

>>382783414
>>382783051
>muh framerates

gameplay comes first, content comes first

>>382783232
No opinion on OST.

There's a whole lot of implications, and lots of little moments you can point to to show they're in love, but very little explicit (not in the sexual meaning) romance.

>>382783551
Each one I've played has a pretty vanilla romance plot between the main male and female characters

>>382780705
The Ufotable anime has shit sales and is hated by Nips.

>>382783164
Yeah, no, Yuri is the best MC no discussion.

Does this game use turn based combat?

Vesperia was something special until Berseria came and did some of it's concepts better. I think if you liked it you should try the other games though.

>>382783232
OST is fucking shit, I'd even take Baba back if it meant Sakuraba got booted from the series forever. I cannot think of a worse prolific Japanese composer.

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>>382783365
(You)

vesperia had so much lore that they made a whole prequel movie out of it, and it's actually good.

>>382776641
No, in my opinion both Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Xillia 2 are better games.

>>382783696
None of the Tales games are turn based

>>382783681
He's a good example of good character design and concept with bad execution because once again, the story

Lloyd is kinda the other way around

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>>382783681

>>382783696
Do a simple google search before asking basic questions, you fucking moron. The Tales series' defining trait is that it does not.

>>382783681
Yuri is the better MC but Symphonia definitely has the better cast.

Not to mention Symphonia's cast actually gets a story to participate in that actually has a fucking plot that actually makes sense and goes somewhere. Unlike Vesperia's unfinished meandering roadtrip.

>>382783680
Since when? I hear about fujoshits gushing their panties over Sorey and his buttbuddy all the time

>>382783696
Nope, it's all real time.

The combat is all about chaining attacks together to perform combos.

>>382783739
more like Vesperia's story is so fucking unfinished that they had to fill some of it in.

The entire game after Alexei literally has no fucking point and makes no sense, Duke is almost Zeromus/Necron tier for why he just suddenly decides to become a final boss.

That's very opportunistic, a Tales thread.

Hey guys, I just got Dolphin installed in my PC and it is running flawlessly. I played Symphonia back when it was released for the GameCube and loved it. I heard about a Symphonia 2 for the Wii, but why would I ever buy that shit.
So, will I enjoy it? The MC is pretty and seems to be interesting. Marta is cute too.
Are there new characters for the party or do the classic ones join the ride?

>>382783983
this is lame bait. try harder.

>>382783983
Play it if you want but just prepare for the chance you might be disappointed

>>382783983
don't play it
The parts with just Emil and Marta are fine-ish but the game goes full retard when the old cast joins back up.

>>382783805
Yeah. Lloyd is so fucking bland.

>>382784156
But ends up a respectable MC cause of kratos

>>382781628
Alt Milla's entire purpose was to make her a completely different person who went through a completely different path in life though. The whole point of her entire arc is to teach you that just because all the ToX1 cast doesn't care about her and wants their original Milla back, it doesn't mean her existence, experiences, and life is any less valid than the "real" Millas. To Ludger and Elle, Alt Milla is their friend, and their "real" Milla. I think it was very well done and even though she was silly, I thought she was one of the more compelling Alternate characters.

This is all supposed to teach you this so you consider it when you make the choice at the end of the game, which is probably why I liked it so much I judge you if you didn't choose to save Elle

>>382783843
>Judith
>Rita
>Raven
Even Estelise has some good qualities, the cast is not bad at all.
Storywise it could have been better but well.

>>382783983
It depends, Symphonia 2 is decent in terms of story but awful in terms of gameplay and presentation.

The old cast do return but Emil, Marta, Richter, and the Centurions are the only new characters.

>>382783962
Alexei is the only part of the game that is badly explained imo, and that reeks of deadline compromises or someone wanting to move onto a bigger plot point and having spent too much time building up Alexei while knowing he wasn't even the final boss. his bossfight plays out like you expect the game to end with his defeat but then it crushes him under a big rock and throws yuri off a cliff for dramatic tension to keep the game going afterwards. don't know why they did that but that was the main moment that seemed bad to me, the rest was fine. I really liked Jaeger.

>>382783787
is it hack n slash or how does it work?

>>382784408
Duke literally comes out of nowhere at the last second to be the final boss for poorly explained reasons, and Yaeger, while entertaining, had no buildup and very little stakes.

Compare with Symphonia and how well it built up the Tower of Salvation and Remiel, and all the Desians, and how well it established BOTH of the worlds.

For the amount of lore and plot in Symphonia it's so much more clear and precise than Vesperia, which barely had any. Again they literally didn't finish the story in Vesperia, which is the game's biggest flaw.

>>382784571
Have you ever played Summon Night for the GBA?

>>382784408
Fucking loved Yeager too.
Maybe they felt Alexei wasn't a good enough true villain to hold up over the entire narrative and that's why Duke was brought in?

I dunno, I haven't played Vesperia again in forever, but it does seem to change dynamically after Yuri falls off the cliff.

Vesperia and Berseria are on at least equal footing.

Symphonia is good, but starts to show it's age.

>>382784571
When you enter a battle it goes into a 3D arena and you get fighting game style controls for doing combos with.

The early games are incredibly clunky and primitive but starting from Eternia it gets really awesome and fun to play. Plus, 4 player co-op for almost every game.

>>382783739
Why did the 2 characters with the most interesting pasts (Karol and Judith) not appear in that OVA? I kind of wanted to see Karol in that monster guild and his interactions with Nan.

How good is playing Tales of with a friend? I know that some have proper support for multiple players. I think Symphonia for the NGC had that but it wasn't that good.

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>>382784286
I didn't care about Fractured Mila and was with the Xillia 1 cast on wanting the real Milla back. When I got the choice to drop her or go for Elle I immediately dropped her since I thought all would happen was a couple of lines then she'd make me drop her.
>that face she gives you
Never in my life have I felt so badly about something so quickly. Felt even worse looking up the scene that happens if you don't let go right away.

>>382784853
I think they were mainly focused on the city and the militia, Rita's inclusion was already pushing on the limits of believability.

>>382784938
Depends on which game
Symphonia as you said is terrible because the camera doesn't account for 2 players
The only other Tales I had issues with was Zestiria because the camera is ass no matter if it's 1 player or 2 player

>>382785029
Did they fix it on the re-releases?

>>382785117
The PC version completely dropped multiplayer support, no idea about the rest

>>382784938
Me and my brother played through most of Symphonia just fine

>>382784286
The problem is that after Real Milla comes back, the game treats her identically to the old one, she even says outright "yeah i was in this bubble thing so i saw and experienced everything she did, so you don't need to explain what's going on or who anyone is!"

>>382785167
I tried playing it with my younger brother back then, but as >>382785029
said
>the camera doesn't account for 2 players
So we never really played it after trying it out.

Beside Vesperia I also think Symphonia was good and to some extend Abyss was also good. But Tales of games in general are trash. They only became slightly more popular these days due to the lack of competition.

When it comes to high quality Jrpg's on consoles there's only Persona and maybe Ni no Kuni, The Legend of Heroes games and that's it. Unless you count the re-releases like Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy X and soon XII. But Compile Hearts only makes shit, all of the new Atelier games are complete shit... When it comes to Jrpg's Japan's not even trying anymore.

>>382785147
Wow. That sucks.

I'm like 5 hours into Berseria and I'm not sure If I like it or not.

So Tales. Should I worry about the hundreds of missables, or just play through blind?

Which games are good/bad for this?

Anyone got a full summary of why Zestiria sucks? I was thinking of giving it a chance, but wanted to find out more of the general consensus.

t. have played Symphonia 1 and 2, Abyss, and Vesperia. Tried Legendia once and hated it.

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>>382785147
the pc version was so fucking bad. the most embarrassing thing is most of the major errors it launched with were fixed by modders within a few hours, meaning it got LITERALLY no QA testing at all. (instead of spending money on QA, they bought low-tier DRM tech for it instead)

>>382784853
Honestly that movie had nothing to do with the game aside from the setting and characters.

>>382778000
>>382778630
>>382779531

(Not the other guy) It feels like Velvet is just broken. Am I playing this wrong?

>>382780705
How about Legendia? I thought people hated that?

>>382785527
No, Velvet is broken. If you want a challenge play as someone else.

>>382785648
Okay, just making sure that I wasn't misunderstanding.

Who would you recommend?

My favorite battle system is somehow still Tales of Hearts R

>>382780705
Playing Zestiria right now and i am enjoying myself. Somewhat. It's definitely the worst tales game I've played so far but most of the controversy over the game had to do with it's promotion.

I have some major gripes however. like the empty as fuck areas. seriously, like not even foliage or anything. Just poorly rendered landscapes. The god awful camera is another. Shit is practically over the shoulder and makes fights with multiple enemies a clusterfuck. Then theres the fact that the framrate is locked at 30. oh and some retarded artifacting going on in some cutscenes.

Other then that? It's alright. Giving me my JRPG fix anyway.

>>382776641
Vesperia and Berseria are the only good Tales of games.

>>382785615
I couldn't get past the first hour personally. I had played Symphonia first, and tried playing Legendia after, which was a bit of a mistake considering the different battle systems.

Plus, fuck Shirley. Can't stand that bitch's voice.

>>382785615
Legendia is actually well regarded by a number of people thanks to its music and characters, just ask Legendia anon.

>>382785505
what the fuck is pic related

>>382785369
You can't compare some small potatoes like Compile Hearts with Bamco or Squareshit idiot.

>>382785696
I played mostly as Velvet because I'm a little baby but Eleanor was really fun for the time I used her. I also see a lot of people saying they enjoyed Eizen.

>>382785823
>>382785615
I really like Legend for what that other anon said. Shirley is irritating, though >>382785819

>>382778372
>Forgot the rest.
>Not remembering /ourguy/ Jade.

>>382785527
Velvet is extremely broken, but fun. If you want more of a challenge Eizen is a good balance of enjoyable gameplay too.

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>>382785456
>zestiria sucks
I'll start with some positives.

>armitization is really fun and visually interesting, especially after you play berseria
>the base combat is decent and swapping seraphs on the fly is nice for taking advantage of enemy weaknesses
>Sorey is a protagonist that isn't a whiny cunt from the get go and shows a modicum of intelligence with his proclivity for exploring ruins instead of being your typical "I DON'T GET IT BUT LET'S SMASH SOMETHING AND HAVE A PARTY MEMBER EXPLAIN IT LATER" protagonist

and some cons.

>story is overall pretty weak, you can see some plot twists coming from a mile away
>the Alisha / Rose switchout like 7-8 hours into the game. I personally like Rose a little more, but she's pushed hard as fuck as the "waifu" and Alisha is almost never mentioned or seen again except for like 30 minutes
>some skits and cutscenes that'll make your eyes roll into the back of your head
>no real defining moment for the protagonist where you see marked improvement, Sorey is a good boy throughout who's only fault is being TOO GOOD

>>382785918
>>382786062

Interesting, might try with Eizen then.

>>382776641
>Is this the best the Tales of series has to offer?

Depends on what you're into

>Did I fuck myself over by playing it first?
Yeah, not that one.

>>382785918
>>382786156
I enjoyed Rokurou the most actually.

>>382784853
>wanting more of the single worst character in the franchise

seriously who the fuck likes Karol?

Symphonia, Abyss, Vesperia, Xillia, and Berseria are good.

>>382786127
Sorey is a fag and Rose is Baba waifu.
Baba ruined the game just for some pussy.

>>382786439
I was surprised how much I enjoyed Xillia due to how much people shit on it.

>>382785456
- Zestiria was in development for several years but still plays like it was rushed out in less than one year, because the devs spent most of that time getting "seamless" battles on the overworld to work.
- The battles still aren't seamless anyway since victory skits still fade to black
- Early trailers and promotional artwork made Alisha seem like a prominent party member, despite shops selling her weapons throughout the game she actually abruptly leaves when Rose appears, to go fix a bridge where she stays for most of the plot
- To remedy this they released a DLC where Rose and Alisha are forced to become friends by the plot even though they are like oil and water
- Rose is jerked off by everyone in the plot over how cool she is, gets forgiven all the time for killing people even though the party is against killing
- the game is supposed to preach a message of coexistence and understanding but never really firmly pushes that idea forward
- characters appear out of nowhere in lategame
- the Armatize system is hilariously broken and there is basically no instance where you wouldn't want to use it instead of using the actual combat system
- the camera is just fucking awful, gets caught on trees and environments frequently
- game is clearly unpolished and unfinished in many places, overworlds look like flat grass textures stretched and stitched together blurrily into ground to walk on
- textures look bad even in plot-critical locations (Ladylake Church looks like a room where the textures haven't loaded in yet)
- The logic of the game world is inconsistent at best
- you must have Sorey/Rose in the party at all times if you want 4 characters in battle, since they 'channel' spirits as your third and fourth characters
- Skits seem like they were an afterthought, with most simply dumped and piled onto save points to be binge-watched all at once
- game just looks ugly overall

Does anyone else not like Graces F's combat? I'll admit I'm only about six hours in so I'm just scratching the surface, but I just do not like the CC system and arte system at all.

>>382786270
Yeah, I hate the little faggot, fortunately they didn't make him the MC.

>>382786613
That's the idea. The more people hate on something, the less you expect of it. In the end you'l be surprised by how much of what you heard is not true and can enjoy the game.
The inverse happened to me with MGSV. And I feel obligated to shit on it everytime I'm talking about it with a friend that is a MGSfag just so he can enjoy it unlike myself.

>>382786705
There are a group of people that think Graces has the best combat.
They're wrong.
Graces has flashy combat, that's all.

>>382786705
I liked Graces F's combat probably the most, but it's been a few years since I played it.

>>382785696
Play around with characters until you find one you like, really. They all play differently and quite frankly I enjoyed almost all of them but Laphi.

>>382785853
that was the PC version on release before modders fixed it. they added multi-language support but didn't QA test any of the translations to make sure they actually *applied* properly

>>382786613
The Xillias are my favorites. I don't get why people shit on them so much.

>>382783859
Since always, Sorey and Mikleo were always popular characters. The anime never increased their popularity. That's why Ufotable's pandering to them so hard now, they're using their popularity to make up for the anime's shit sales. Mikleo especially as his fans were pissed about the anime, and everyone else just wanted Alisha to go way away.

Tl;Dr only a minority of Alishafags like the anime.

>>382786613
Xillias are my favorites. I've never really understood the hate.

>>382785823
Yeah, I will fully agree Legendia has an amazing soundtrack.

>>382786886
>>382786959
Xillia 1 was unfinished.
Xillia 2 was re-used assets: the game: Ludger gets shit on and best Millia dies edition

>>382787035
if I hated Tales games for being unfinished I don't think I would like very many of them desu

Any chance of a new Tales game being announced this year, or should I expect something to be said in 2018?

>>382787145
Oh right I also forgot.
Xillia 1 is "Local group betrayed every ten steps keeps accepting local traitor's apologies.

>>382786673
>- To remedy this they released a DLC where Rose and Alisha are forced to become friends by the plot even though they are like oil and water
Actually considering the Alisha manga the DLC feels like a pre-existing scenario that added in Alisha last minute.

>>382787202
The most you can expect is a small teaser late this year or early next year.

>>382786673
>>382786127
Thank you for your reviews! Maybe I'll watch some gameplay or just steer clear of it then.

>>382786270
Karol is that retarded kid your group of friends keep around cause there always doing dumb shit that makes you chuckle.

>>382787397
Just hope the next game will get me back into the series. Feels like after Vesperia, the Tales games just can't match it or games before it.

>>382787252
Alvin a cute!

>>382786886
>>382786959
>>382786613
Xillia... has no cameo battles.

>>382788378
So?

>>382778386

ANGRY SHOUTING ARTE NOISES
ANGRY SHOUTING ARTE NOISES
ANGRY SHOUTING ARTE NOISES
SOKO DA!
ANGRY SHOUTING ARTE NOISES
ANGRY SHOUTING ARTE NOISES
ANGRY SHOUTING ARTE NOISES
SOKO DA!
ANGRY SHOUTING ARTE NOISES
ANGRY SHOUTING ARTE NOISES
ANGRY SHOUTING ARTE NOISES
Use the mystic arte to finish off last enemy for bonus.

tales has some funky character design from the left you have
purple kimono guy with spiky flame hair finger in ear kek
shinobi wolf, i dont know how you fuck that up but they did
this girl is wearing two different shoes, that stocking is an obvious choice to diversify her profile and goggles, great.
androgynous main character im guessing, dark colors just one notch too high on the flamboyance
A middle aged woman who looks like shes sneaking into a movie theater, who had a decent color scheme going
a princess, nice boots, i swear i see Alisha in her
hot scantily clad elf isnt half bad, could lose the shoulder pieces

>>382780705
>Symphonia 2

fuck your shit son it was fun to collect monsters as Bosch kept yelling for no reason and went full edgelord, tenebrae was best bro and marta was voiced by taiga so top waifu there as well, if you hate symphonia 2 you are obviously a filthy lloydcuck

>>382783539

which one has romance? as in, couple ending or something?

>>382783580

>framerate is not part of gameplay

holy fucking shit sony niggers just burn them to the ground already

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>>382788903
>fuck your shit son it was fun to collect monsters
you're represented on this image my dude.

>>382783621

>vanilla romance plot

so basically 12 year old teenager crap? where they avoid the fact that they love each other the entire game and pretend to be friends till the end?

>>382789037

me and all those faggots in denial that parrot how bad it was when in fact they never fucking played it

symphonia 2 is the FF13 of the series, lots of people played it first on Wii and actually appreciated it because you could map artes to a shit-ton of binds thanks to wiimote waggling, you faggots will never get to know how it is to do combos as an orchestra director

>>382789010
listen to yourself, you are calling for the death of people who like something different from you, calm the fuck down, take a xanax

maybe I need to grind a bit but there is this bat in a cave Berseria and it's fucking me up.

>>382789275
>>382789275
>symphonia 2 is the FF13 of the series

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>>382788806
>A middle aged woman

Real talk

I like both Star Ocean and Tales battle systems

I like Star Oceans' a bit more

>>382789061
That's like anime 101 dude. You never see a satisfying end to a love story. if you did then everyone whose waifu didn't get picked would sperg out.

>>382789275
>symphonia 2 is the FF13 of the series
So its shit then?

>>382790082
Star Ocean has good combat but bad everything else. Like REALLY bad.

>Velvet number one waifu

>>382785725
itll give you your fix but i realized i hated the characters and the story by the end of it

also what in the fuck is that weapon upgrade bullshit

>>382791453
The skills systems were alright. Music is also good, and art direction (separate from character design) is good sometimes.

But PAs are character-depth done wrong.

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>>382791453
forgot my picture

dont forget the AI is absolutely horrible and will run up to bosses and die

>>382791453
I liked SO3

>>382784853
Because the story only revolved around Yuri and Flynn's life working under the capital. Estelle was the princess of said capital. Raven was an undercover agent and barely showed up anyways. Rita showed up for like 5 seconds. Repede was the baby of the wolf dog that Yuri's mentor had, so he took him when the mother died and when his mentor died.

At this time, Judith wasn't on her mission of breaking man-made blastia because that wasn't happening, so she was either living in the mountains, traveling, or living in the giant jellyfish with the rest of her people.
Karol was too busy trying to get noticed by guilds, and the guild town wasn't even in the movie and the movie had nothing to do with guilds.

>>382789275
>thanks to wiimote waggling
A phrase spoken by no one, ever.

>>382790971


the last rpgs I played were all jrpgs and had conclusive romances. in one of them the characters have differnt endings so your actions would decide the romance.

>>382791453

so2 was good everything tho

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>Will never get any more content about Yuri, Karol, Judith, and Repede getting into guild misadventures

>>382791453
I liked Star Ocean 1 and it's PSP remake. Never played anything else.

>>382780705
>Symphonia 2
It's an escort title (aka spinoff) not a mothership title.

>>382794346
I already said that. It was demoted, much like Tempest

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>>382794008

if you like the psp remake - so2 is an even better version of it imo.

too bad character artworks suffered in the remakes.

>>382786613
The only problem is that Xillia feels a little more generic than the rest, which apparently wasn't unintentional. I still feel everything meshed together well, and the cast was enjoyable outside of Alvin's hilariously bad betrayals that seemed to happen every other 2 hours. I never got the love for Symphonia or Vesperia, I think they're good but I prefer Abyss and Xillia. But that's just me.

>>382794738
Was the 90s the peak of anime design?

>>382785615
Legendia is the "black sheep" of the mothership titles; people generally dislike it becuase it's very different from other Tales rather than particularly bad. People coming off Symphonia were presented with Abyss and Legendia both within a short timeframe and while Abyss is a fairly clear step forward for the series, Legendia sort of seems to dive off the path with its more cartoonish looks and less engaging combat.

Legendia's simplistic battle system is widely accepted as its weak point, but the game is also praised for having the best OST in the series and strong character development. Legendia's fans are fewer, but passionate.

>>382795225
Cool, maybe I should play it some time

When I don't have an INFINITE BACKLOG

>>382776641
Phantasia, Abyss, Symphonia, Vesperia are the best

>>382795146

as far as games are concerned? possibly. not an expert on anime in general desu

>>382795225
https://youtu.be/uIasWWs-ZxI

>>382794769
>The only problem is that Xillia feels a little more generic than the rest
I feel this complaint. The world was rather uninspired. Fennemont is the only somewhat memorable town in Xilla 1 becuase the other locations are either overly generic or they just weren't important to whatever events were taking place in them.

An unpopular opinion, but I've been playing tales games since Destiny on psx and I think symphonia is still the best

>>382795805
Because you enjoy extremely shallow characters, a plot that never stops being about racism and a combat system that's been outdone since it came out.

>>382795606
Yeah. The only bad location of Symphonia to me is generic fishing village 3 that you need to pass through before going to Palmacosta.

>>382795943
Symphonia is particularly strong in the memorable locales department. It's easy to recall and visualize many of its towns and dungeons, even the ones that are small/short.

>>382795606
So this is weird to me

I've played Phantasia, Xillia, Hearts R, Eternia, and most of Abyss/Destiny

I struggle to remember more than a handful of locations at all. Meanwhile for most Final Fantasies I can recount almost the play-by-play of the respective stories.

Why is this? I'm genuinely puzzled.

How much does the PS3 version of Vesperia add to the game? I already have the 360 version and don't feel like going that far out of my way to play the other one. I might do it if it's actually worth it.

>>382776641
Honestly, I played Vesperia and I still don't understand why you guys like it so much? The cast wasn't anything special, fighting is so much more fun in Xillia and plot is typical meh Tales. I don't even feel like playing it again even though i finally bought the PS3 version.

>>382796597
Beats me. I have similarly peculiar issue: I love Tales and RPGs in general, but I struggle to stay interested in Final Fantasy games. It doesn't make much sense becuase I can't pinpoint the problem with me and FF games.

>>382789037
>Was coffee hot or cold
That scene still cracks me up to this day because of the way Lloyd says "I lied" in the dub

>>382784938
Me and a buddy exclusively played every tales game after vesperia together, pretty good my man

>>382776641
I've only played 4 Tales of games. Vesperia, Symphonia, Graces and Xillia. Out of those 4 I liked Vesperia the best by far.

Graces some people didn't like, but I liked it a lot. The combat system is the most fun out of the 4.

Symphonia I got bored 1/3 of the way through before dropping it.

Xillia is by far the worst out of the 4. Even though I managed to make it to the end. It was so bad that I haven't played another Tales game since.

>>382786705
Graces F's combat is my favorite solely because theres no TP managing to worry about. Down the line you'll start out with higher CC and be able to mix A and B arte moves while still keeping your place in each arte type's flowchart, and be able to use hi ougis by reaching a certain number of hits in a combo. It takes awhile but it gets fun, trust me anon

>>382786705
CC system is great. makes you really time your hits unlike most tales games of spamming as fast as possible.

Why didn't Velvet just sink into despair and losing all hope that she'll be able to get her revenge? She couldn't beat Artorious no matter what she did.

>HURRR she's a demon! and her obsession with revenge turned her that way!

>>382776641
I played Zestiria first and now have no interest in playing any of the others