So, the humans were already dead, the aliens were already dead,

The machines gained true consciousness and so did the remaining YoRHa units. It's not a completely happy ending but there's a Vague Hope that things will go alright.

>>382755490
2b, 9s, a2, and the pods broke free from the cycle, it may not be saving the world but it's not nothing

>>382755490
The humans were already dead in the first game.

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>>382756717

Yorha was destroyed and N2 left earth so the cycle is pretty much over, I wouldn't say that nothing changed.

>>382755490
that's the point lamo

>>382755490
Pods in the Ending E literally say that if anything will change, it will depend on 2B, 9S and A2. They gained consciousness and free will.

>>382755490
>the machines went all insane from having nothing to exterminate and the androids had an existential crisis

The machines were driven by digitized human consciousness at the core of the network. In other words, people were using machines to try to kill people, who were already dead, who made androids, who were controlled by machines, to lie about humans being real and defend them against machines.

>>382758558
>it's a "point out the redundancy of human wars" episode.

>>382758558
I'm pretty sure that the machines didn't make or control the androids, they have been around far longer than the machines have and the only thing the machines do is purposely not destroy them.

>>382758971

Machines didn't make androids, but they gained full control over all Yorha, as made evident by route C.

>>382757580
We'll see about that, the pods remark nearly the same thing ending e

>>382759094
They never had control over them, they just made use of the backdoor that the androids behind yorha left in.

>>382759404
The backdoor was left specifically for the machines to use, and judging by the talks of Yorha having always been destined for destruction kinda implies they were all part of the same plot from way back. This was the part where I turned my brain off and just bashed at the machines, because it was all very, very retarded

>>382759664
They were part doing similar things but not part of the same thing. The robots could have destroyed the androids at any moment but they needed an enemy to evolve so they didn't. YorHa was just used to gain more data for new generations of androids and to give hope to the other androids that the humans are still out there fighting for them, it wasn't intended to be an ongoing thing which is why they put in the backdoor, they also can't destroy the machines because than the androids would soon figure out that humans are extinct.

felt like the whole game was just an exercise in futility and i get thats what taro was going for. how everything is pointless blabla cycle break happy end. it was a pretty enjoyable ride as far as the story goes, cant say the same for the actual gameplay - it was boring

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>>382755490
>Before the events of Automata, Emil fought and crushed the aliens
>Aliens base The Machine lifeforms on Emil
>This is why the robots have the projectiles and the laser attack that he does
>This is why they have robotic teeth inside their shell
>They mass produced the most powerful magical weapon to ever live

>>382755490
>Did anything had any meaning at all
Are you retarded? The whole game was about finding personal meaning to live in the overall meaninglessness of existence.

>>382760292
>it was boring

that's the point

>>382761517

Gotta love all these "art" games

>it was pretty shit
>i-i-it was supposed to be bad, that's the whole point

>>382760292
Honestly that's just Yoko Taros games in a nutshell, Fantastic gripping story with Lacking combat

>>382761631
that's the point dumbass

>>382755490
>the machines went all insane from having nothing to exterminate
Not quite. They went insane because their directive, to exterminate, was self-destructive. If they fulfilled their purpose, they would have no purpose, so they changed themselves in a way so that they could keep waging war indefinitely.

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The whole game is a chain of tragic events that eventually, by the will of a simple chance and struggle of extremely advanced androids, led to new development and possibility of a far better future. Main characters certainly got a happy ending, androids and machines make peace, next 500 years are relatively peaceful with only conflict taking place inside machine society itself. Whole point of the game is that while there's no intrinsic meaning in this world, by reaching out to other sentient beings you can find it for yourself, even if those beings are hostile to you at first.

It's hilarious that the very possibility of happy future was only possible thanks to Number 9 giving machines ability to watch and learn from androids via backdoor.

>>382762280
>thanks to Number 9 giving machines ability to watch and learn from androids via backdoor
Elaborate.

>>382755490

Why does Taro always write the same shit

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>yfw you realized that the memories 9S killed in Route C was actually the memories of 9S from Route A/B

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>>382762440
Who do you think is behind the project YoRHa, anon?
https://mintychu.dreamwidth.org/1371.html#cutid1

>>382762495
It doesn't matter, self-consciousness core is still the same so he's the same person.

>>382762520
Fuck, that's dope as fuck. I'm glad they got around to answering who made YoHRa.

However, why's it called YoHRa anyway? I remember something pre-release about the name not meaning anything, but the way it was spelled had some meaning. Anything about that in the extra stuff?

>>382762761
Nothing in side materials, unfortunately. I remember that it possibly means "falling leaves" meaning expendable nature of YoRHa units.

This game made me realize that jap games are shit and only hyped up by degenerate autistic waifufag manchildren

>>382760879
And lost! It's one thing to make a emotional kid a mini nuke, it's another matter entirely to make thousands of them.

>>382762520
I don't get it

>>382764106
This novel happens ~10 years prior the game events.
Android scientist and director of one of the satellite bases creates prototype YoRHa units.
Designs a plan for human server but shelves it because there's a risk of info leak.
Prototype 9 (same personality as 9S) finds out everything about his own creation, goes nuclear, slaughters entire base, alters the plan for human server into the project YoRHa we see in the game and kickstarts its automated creation, then pretty much allows wounded prototype number 2 to kill him, succeeding in creating a god for androids, an artificial reason to live.

>>382764285
what a dick

>>382762520
Holy shit ninez

>>382755490
What would opening the bunker and killing all the androids achieve?

>>382766495
Keeping the secret of moon server origins safe.

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>route B bunker
>9S gets confidential documents revealing the nature of black boxes
>"wow that's horrible"
>route C/D tower
>9S gets confidential documents revealing the nature of black boxes again
>loses his shit

did I miss something

>>382763642
How many more buzzwords can you fit into a sentence? My god

>>382755490
If you didn't know that the humans were already dead after playing the first nier, I don't know what to say

>>382767372
You don't find out about the black boxes in B. What are you talking about?

>>382758448
I find this really sad. 2B and 9S have each other but A2 is completely alone

>>382755490
>the machines went all insane from having nothing to exterminate and the androids had an existential crisis.
Hardly.
It's "14th Machine war", which means it was 14th cycle, that ended with the bunker destroyed, machines wiped out, and androids trashed. Then everything gets redone over and over. Only 9s, 2b, 2a and the pods get out of the cycle, but it doesn't mean it's a good ending for them.

>>382768150
>finally get to reunite with her homo buddy
>get brought back to life

what a bunch of dicks

>>382768150
Jackass and Anemone?

>>382768150
Implying it won't be harem time for npNines, A2 looks like 2B anyway

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>>382768150
She learned to let go of her hate though. Now she can find someone or something to love.

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>>382755490
wrong image OP
here let me help

That was the point, numbnuts.

The game is about finding meaning where there isn't any.

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>>382755490

Emil's still alive somewhere, right? The car one was just another clone.

>>382762520
9S only installed the backdoor.

>>382769408
Or rather #9

>>382769318
The car one was the original Emil but there's still clones around.

>>382769536
No way that's the original, didn't he go missing centuries ago?

>>382769408
And also kickstarted the project that Zinnia wanted to shelve.

>>382769536
yeah and then there's another copy 100 years later that remembers that he's the original

then another

then another

>>382769660
Yeah "missing", guess where you find him? Inside a Machine Lifeform. He probably tried to go full Solid Snake into the Machine Network.

>>382769712
You'd have a point if the Q&A didn't have Taro confirming that he was the original.

>>382768150
A2 is pretty much 2B's older sister. No way they will leave her.
042 likes her too and they have godlike banter.

>>382769712
> 100 years later that remembers that he's the original
That doesn't even happen, the clones are aware that they are clones as seen by Emils Heads weapon story.

>>382769757
really? got a link?

does he cry to death or does he die smiling?

>>382769123
I wonder how well Automata would have done if it magically came out during the PS2 era instead of say Drakengard. Obviously with the graphics and open world, and other technical aspects toned down significantly to work on PS2 hardware but everything else left in tact.

It's just a seinen animu plot to inspire cosplay and side-material purchases. There's no more to it, so no, there is no more to the actual plot's meaning either. Left vague enough to bait people to purchase more in hopes of a sequel for more of the same, left closed enough that if they don't earn the money they want they can shrug it off and move along to a different project to milk.

It's every "mature, but not really" anime plot ever, executed in the exact same manner as everything else. But as it gets the niche videogame treatment, people get to look past it and hail themselves as connosieurs of fine gaymen.

The power of skimpily dressed cosplay baits.

>>382769812
didn't car!Emil think he's a clone at first too?

>>382769794
>A2 is pretty much 2B's older sister
Yea but i don't think 2B would share 9S with her

>>382769794
>>382769757
Gonna need a source on that, it's pretty implied in Emil's picture book that the original left a long time ago(narrated by car Emil)

>>382769263
How does year 11946 make sense when Androids and humans are gone? Who's signing it?

>>382770298
>Androids gone
Nigga what?

>>382755490
Is the average /v/ermin this retarded?

>>382770354
Bunker gone, all androids have been taken over and died from the logic virus during the shitshow in Route C?

>>382770698
YoRHa isn't every Android. YoRHa are a special unit consisting of around 200-300 Units, they were the only ones getting fucked by the backdoor.

The rest of the normal Androids are still alive and kicking.

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>>382756717
>but there's a Vague Hope that things will go alright.
You cheeky fuck

Comparer to his previous games Automata sure has a much happier ending.
Unless you count Route E in OG Nier

>>382770994
E should have been locked behind the save deletion, not just the title screen.

>>382760085
yeah they can. the humans were extinct for around 1000 years before aliens invaded. androids were getting their shit stomped in for the entirety of the series, from the invasion until like 5 years before automata when yorha was thought up and created by a few scientists and then twisted by 9s's prototype model, and its goal was just to set up an ideology to believe in, so that the war morale would stop dropping.

the goal of it was to boost morale for war, not for living. if there's nothing left to fight for, why fight? just let the machines take earth and go somewhere else. if the war could end, it wouldn't be needed anymore.

they never had a dumb idea of "let's not destroy machines or others will figure out our dirty secret and we'll lose face", because they never had a chance to do so in the first place, with machines always controlling more than 80% or of earth, as far as i remember. that and a continuous war actually detracted from their ability to try bringing them back.

wasting 99% of your resources on a futile war is far more inefficient than ending it, then using 100% of them to figure out how to bring humans back or break the human love programming to make it irrelevant.

>>382770994
E ending of original Nier is considered to be a true ending. It's still way less happy because only main duo gets a happy life together while in Automata entire setting has a hope.

Still, Kaine/Nier living a life together was a beautiful ending.

>>382771661
Emil was with them.

I think only Weiss and Yonah are excluded.

>>382771310
> then using 100% of them to figure out how to bring humans back or break the human love programming to make it irrelevant.
That was never an issue in the first place. There are Androids that stopped giving a shit about humanity and the war and fucked off to Australia to live in peace.

>>382772107
>australia
>peace

I guess it works when spiders and snakes can't endanger android biofunctions

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>2B's bed in Bunker has a special placement for 9S
>you can only use this opportunity once in the entire game

>>382772301
>synthetic skin being an issue for Australia's wildlife
Haha, surely you jest.

>>382772107
that's what the earlier part meant. the whole gods on the moon was about the war efforts, not life itself. if there's nothing to fight for, why fight?

the yorha would still need to get over their artificially added human love, but androids had absolutely no reason to keep a war going past its expiration date. it was all on the machines.

>>382772340
Elaborate plox

>>382772340
It was never meant to be seen at this angle, I guess.
You're just to assume 9S lies on the edge of the bed.

>>382755490
this game is so shit

I thought humans were on the moon and sending Androids to reclaim earth.

It's kinda the whole point. The whole game's about finding meaning when you have none anymore, or the thing that held meaning to you being completely gone.

>>382770209
>>382769712
>>382769812
>>382770063
It's more correct to say that none of the Emil's remember who the original is so they all just assume they're clones. Considering how many there are, if you can't really remember your past, you don't have any reason to assume the original even if you are. That was the case for the shopkeeper Emil, he didn't explicitly confirm he wasn't the original, he just said he has no idea who it is. He gets his memories back in the later quest and the implication in-game is that he is actually the original Emil.

>>382770994
Ending E in the first game is fucked up. I really feel like Nier wanted to die and Kaine was being selfish, plus the end result is an adult Kaine summoning back to life a young Nier.

It's only meaningless if you consider the androids to be inhuman, without emotion or sentience - throughout the game you are reminded this isn't the case.

How does android construction work? Why the need for blood? What about vital and reproductive organs?

>>382773414
Thinking back even Adam straight outta the machine womb bled, for what purpose?

>>382773414
The blood is probably just the typical blood-coloured non-blood robot fluid.

>>382772779
They're all dead, Dave.

>>382773102
Ending E in this game is fucked up. I really feel like A2 wanted to die and the players were being selfish, plus the end result is A2 being all alone again.

>>382773615
Whh, she'll get over with, worse things than living happened

so, my interpretation is
everyone is dead except the cast.
bunker's gone. all bunker experiences are virtual.
pods are caretakers of whatever is left.
pods are responsible for making it loop forever.
pods are the MCs.

>>382774059
>loop forever.

People take the cycles shit way too literally.

>>382774059
>everyone is dead except the cast.
no
>all bunker experiences are virtual.
no
>pods are caretakers of whatever is left.
not exactly
>pods are responsible for making it loop forever.
there's no loops
>pods are the MCs.
there's 5 main characters and Pods are only two of them

The level 130 colosseum rank is fucking stupid

>>382774862
git gud

>>382775207
fuck you

>>382774862
It's an actual challenge, something that's been really lacking in games for the last decade.

omg so deep lol

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>>382755490

I just wish we got a good ending for the best girls.

>>382777931
Commander's last scene felt very Kojima-ish

>>382755490

>even by Taro's standards

you clearly never played one of his games before, why lie?

Was it ever mentioned where the android factories are? Or who exactly build the bunker along with the YoRHa units?

>>382780256
YoRHa bunker was created at some secret facilities that were probably initially under control of satellite base 6 and Zinnia as he did some very advanced research. Number 9 hijacked the project YoRHa and automated its creation.

What if 2B or 9S found a human?

>>382780968
After the events of the game? Doesn't matter, they only care about each other. 9S' grief about 2B was so powerful that he decided to destroy everything, even the last remnants of human data on Moon. 2B wanted to kill "god" even before the game events.

>>382780968
I imagine it'd be like that scene in Children of Men when everyone stops fighting to let the newborn baby leave the battlefield.

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>>382755490
That's exactly the point, OP.

>>382781151
Androids maybe, machines I don't know.
Would the machines try to kill a human?
Adam and Eve were obsessed, at least.

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>concert confirms 9S and 2B wake up after end E and live happily ever after free from the cycle
>Terminals/Red girls see the how pointless war is, gather up some of their machine buddies and fuck off into space
>Remaining androids and machines eventually form a peace treaty
>/ourgirl/ Jackass is out there hunting down the people behind Project Yorha

What part of this isn't a happy ending? For all the memes about him Yoko Taro is a big ol softy. The only thing I really need clarification for is whether pic related made it out alive or not.

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I want to save 6O.

>>382782042
I'd think the machines would welcome some direction in life as much as the androids.
They're gonna be pissed when they find out that humans don't have the answer to the meaning of life either, though.

>>382769823
Is taro of course he is happy,remember Drakengard ending.

>>382782273
Jackass also seems to care about 2B/9S.
Honestly the only truly edgelord-y Taro game is first Drakengard. Even third is more of a silly black comedy aside from shit he pulled Cent and Two through.

>>382755490
>This plot felt so futile
> nothing accomplished, nothing changed.
That was the point you asshat

The whole point of ending E was to force you to reject that message, OP.

>>382767372
Localization fuck up. The info about the backdoor being primed to let the machines in wasn't supposed to be in the first document.

>>382770209
Check the Emil Clones boss intel.

>>382783579
Not really. Everything's still futile, but a couple of androids were revived, that's all.

>>382783972
Only Yorha was wiped out, rest of the sizable regular non-Yorha android population and machines get to live their lives free from all the bullshit proxy wars. 2B, 9S, and A2 are the only ones who had to be revived.

>>382755490

Congratulations, you achieved babbys first existentialist thought

>>382784380
That's what I'm saying, there's nothing to do (other than simply... existing). Ending E doesn't change that fact.

>>382782273
>>/ourgirl/ Jackass is out there hunting down the people behind Project Yorha
I'd pay 30Euro for that DLC.

>>382783972
No I mean the fighting against the credits, the game asking you over and over again if you want to give up, if there's any meaning in even fighting and then finally asking you if you want help from others to get you past near insurmountable odds.
In its own way, forcing you to reject the idea that everything is pointless.

>>382755490
In short, it is japan in a nutshell.

>>382784535
Doesn't matter what anyone's ideas and feeling are. Everything was futile since Drakengard's joke ending. Even before Nier (the first game) started everything was futile, much less whatever happens in Nier Automata.

Humans were doomed. Androids were made to serve their master, which doesn't exist anymore. The end.

That's all there is to it. Whether Androids and Machines decide to coexist or not doesn't change the fact that none of them have anything to do, they have no impact on humanity's future. They could continue the war of have a friendly relashionship akin to Pascal's village and Resistance Camp - same difference.
Even if the Machine AI lolis managed to destroy Moon's server and evolve by fighting Androids endlessly (their ultimate objective) what would come of it? Humans are long dead, Machines had completed their objective even before being created. If they evolved into the ultimate form like the Lolis wanted... what then?

>>382782273
>The only thing I really need clarification for is whether pic related made it out alive or not.
Unlikely, if you wipe him, he's dead, if you kill him, he's dead. If you walk away he stays alive momentarily but will likely end up as robot children.

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>>382784486
>Nothing to do except exist

Well shit anon same could be said about real life. Like, I said though at the very least they're free from the proxy wars that dictated their lives. Now they've got nothing to do which conversely means they can do whatever the hell they want. They get to live their lives, meaningless as they may be, however they see fit.

>>382782273
Timeline mentions that Pascal served as the representative for the machines when they sign the peace treaty between machines and androids, so not killing him is canon. Now, whether you wipe him or you leave him to grieve is up in the air.

>life has no meaning but you can give it meaning with the power of love/friendship

I honestly expected more from the meme director

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>>382782273
>"Male" robot
>Voiced by Aoi Yuuki

>>382785448
Well, the other message is that you can also find meaning in life by having a really autistic obsession with something.

>>382785448
That's more or less what modern philosophy has said for a while, either kill yourself, fall in love or get a hobby. Nearly everyone in Automata does at least one of these.

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>>382785325
>Well shit anon same could be said about real life
Us humans are not programed for the sole purpose of protecting our masters (or eliminating a specific being, in Machine's case) so we are quite different from Androids. We wouldn't suffer the same existential crisis Androids went through (which resulted in the creation or YorHa) or the drive to evolve (from the Machines perspective) in order to more efficiently kill all humans.

All we want to do is to fuck and have kids, much like the rest of the animal kingdom. So existing without a greater purpose perfectly suits us. Any fake sense of "purpose" we THNK we might have comes as a consequence of our higher than average intellect, but deep down our core objective as animals is to reproduce and nothing else.

Androids and Machines actually rely and depend on a third party (Humans) which isn't there.

>They get to live their lives, meaningless as they may be, however they see fit.
I think the cycle will repeat itself or they'll simply commit mass suicide at a certain point.

I thought in Nier 1 humans were still alive in an ethereal form and they could go back to their robot bodies?

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>>382785959
But the whole point of the game is them growing out of needing that 3rd party and starting to find their own reasons to live.

>I think the cycle will repeat itself or they'll simply commit mass suicide at a certain point

Boy, I bet you're a blast at parties.

>>382786064
robot bodies (not robots btw) gain sentience and ethereal humans go crazy

>>382785712

>I'll repeat what everyone else is saying, surely that will make me popular and accepted

I'm not the one who needs to kill himself, famalam

>>382786634
I'm not sure what prompted this response, but 'ok' anon.

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>>382786064
That went down the shitter. It never worked as planned to begin with, then too much time passed which lead to the "Soul" part going berserk and the "Body" part getting a conscience of its own (neither of these can happen is the fusion is to be successful) and then things were COMPLETELY ruined by killing the Shadow Lord, but even if he was alive and well things wouldn't be any better.

>>382786362
>But the whole point of the game is them growing out of needing that 3rd party and starting to find their own reasons to live.
Much like a minority of humans can surpress their instincts and not care about having children, using contraception, not raping any cute girl we see, or harming ourselves, Androids and Machines can also fight their instincts and pretend they don't care about their core programing.

But that's fake. Their cores won't change no matter how much they wish to hide it and think it's irrelevant. To make matters worse they live forever so those hidden "feelings" WILL catch up eventually, even if they can pretend for 6000 years, sooner or later they'll go back to a mid-life crisis over and over again. Or just end it all.

>Boy, I bet you're a blast at parties.
As much as Taro :^)

>>382786064
Yes. But then Nier Replicant killed Nier Gestalt (a.k.a. Shadowlord) - the original one that was basically stabilizing the other gestalts and then shit went south fast.
>>382786985
>but even if he was alive and well things wouldn't be any better.
Theoretically the unrelapsed gestalts and replicants without black scrawl could have been reunited if Dev & Pop's plan worked.

>>382787224
Popola ruins everything