ITT: games with huge decline in quality compared to its predecessor.

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They're hellbent on making each one worse than the last.

>>382751423


Sad because some parts of the game are 10/10 wile others we like 7/10

>>382751423
Literally anything released after FF10.

MGS 4 and Deus Ex Invisible War

>>382751590
at no point in FF8 is it a 10/10 story or gameplay wise

>>382751983
14 and arguably 12 (though I don't think so) are better

>>382751423
I prefer 8 to 7, honestly. But 6 is way better than either.

>>382751590
>Sad because some parts of the game are 10/10 wile others we like 7/10

Agreed. This game feels like it was rushed or something. It is FFXV before FFXV, except FFXV has it worse.

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>>382753535
Too bad I don't play MMOs.

>>382752179
4 is about the same amount of decline from 3 as 3 is to 2

>>382753781
I didn't either, in fact I hated them. FF14 is good after level 50 hours (I would have dropped this shit had I not been playing with a friend)

>>382753773
you're right but you'll get swarmed by booty-blasted sunshinefags who played it when they were kids

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>>382753876
Sons of Liberty versus Snake Eater just comes down to personal preference, Guns of the Patriots is taking the franchise, putting it on a motorcycle and sending that motorcycle speeding 100 mph off a cliff infested with radioactive sharks at the bottom.

The only redeeming thing it has going for it is the final boss fight with Liquid Ocelot.

>>382754027
>Guns of the Patriots is taking the franchise, putting it on a motorcycle and sending that motorcycle speeding 100 mph off a cliff infested with radioactive sharks at the bottom.

I would argue 3 was the one to do this because the series became about MUH MARY SUE THE BOSS because of it

>>382754097
Not really, Snake Eater just gave background on Big Boss' character while being its own thing. It's good campy fun.
MGS4 was going to be a train wreck by virtue of taking place after MGS2, the ambiguous nature of that game was done on purpose and you can tell Kojima did not plan to make a sequel to it at all and when he did we got this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QofhJhJGBjw

>>382754474
>Not really, Snake Eater just gave background on Big Boss' character while being its own thing. It's good campy fun.

It also deified The Boss (which was later exacerbated by the masturbatory Eva tapes in peace walker) who would go onto shit up the series harder than anything else.

I also agree that MGS4 was a mistake in that it fucked up MGS2 but it had the virtue of having solid snake as the lead, a more compelling character than big boss

>>382753876
Except 3 isn't a decline at all.

>>382754764
>story is far less in depth
>AI is neutered from 2
>level design isn't as good due to poor utilization of open areas aside from a couple instances like The End
>game is a lot less challenging, getting the big boss emblem in MGS2 is an absolute nightmare whereas it's only slightly challenging in 3
>Garbage main antagonist who isn't considered the worst in the series only because hot coldman and arguably skullface exist

You can argue about music/characters but it's a decline in a bunch of ways

>>382754724
I don't disagree but that's more a Peace Walker issue (another game I don't care for) than one in Snake Eater.
I feel there is a very noticeable decline post Snake Eater in the writing and characterization the series took, the first three Solid games are all amazing and while 2 is my favorite of the bunch I could see someone making a case for any of them but what happened after is just sad. Almost reminds me of Final Fantasy.

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Chrono Cross is the story of an overabundance of nothing, the epitome of quantity over quality. Over 40 characters, yet no characterization. 2 worlds (and some between-dimension stuff), yet nothing worth seeing. 12 endings, yet no satisfaction. Multiple plot viewings, yet nothing compelling. 30 - 60 hours of playing, yet nothing worth your time. It’s packed to the brim with plot details to the point that it’s almost as bafflingly convoluted as Xenosaga 3, and they all just add up to a story that does little and says even less. It’s packed to the brim with promising concepts like travel across dimensions, a future that forcibly guides its own past, and lost timelines that aren’t willing to disappear without a fight, but its pacing, general explanation style, and overcomplicated bumbling cause them all to be a confused mess of poorly assembled parts instead of a smooth narrative machine. It’s packed to the brim with party members, but can’t be bothered to give any depth or relevance to 90% of them (and the few characters the game does actually pay attention to are crappy, to boot), and just simulates individuality for them with one of the worst storytelling ideas ever conceived. It’s got all kinds of great established characters and ideas it can borrow from its widely beloved predecessor, yet everything it does to connect to Chrono Trigger seems dissatisfyingly tangential (even when those connections are an integral point of CC’s core plot!), and often it seems to just use those pre-existing concepts for the sake of destroying them (Robo was on screen for, what, 45 seconds before he was unceremoniously killed off?).

As a sequel to one of the greatest RPGs ever created, Chrono Cross is a horrible disappointment. But even on its own merit, it’s just outright awful, a rotten mess of incompetence and meaninglessness bound together by one of the most tangled and poorly executed plots I’ve encountered.

>>382755161
Also has one of the worst main battle themes in a JRPG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7V_1nnowEk

Although the rest of the OST is god tier.

>>382755082
Hey at least FF14 bounced back

>>382755161
xenosaga 3 isn't convoluted, it just had some story stuff explain in side games like freaks/pied piper

>>382755242
Yeah mitsuda's battle themes arn't his strong point. Thank god ACE is covering that for xenoblade 2 while Mitsuda sticks to area/event/story music

>>382755364
His Xenogears battle theme is god tier though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfJTCo5tCqo

Don't know what the fuck happened with Chrono Cross.

>>382755161


CC was like poster child of JRPGs of that era. All the stereotypes, save for the MCs weapon of choice.

>>382755513
Eh it's alright. Deus's theme is fucking rad though

>>382755364
Not an MMO player (only ever played RuneScape back in the day but I played that game way more than anyone should have) but I hear that the story for XIV is actually really good. Is there a free trial for it?

>>382755883
Yeah the trial is up to level 35 and the story doesn't get good till 50. It's better in heavensward and I havn't tried stormblood yet

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>>382751423
>pic unrelated
I think you meant to post this OP

>>382756187
this wasn't even worth replying to but I'll give it to you anyway

>>382753935
Explain to me how Sunshine is a huge step down from 64. It's still really fun, even if it's not as good.

>who played it when they were kids

As opposed to the people who played 64 when they were kids?

>>382756405
well we can start with the elephant in the room, the FLUDD which severely reduced precise platforming in the majority of the game, then we have other problems like limited levels, the fucking blue coins, and fucking fruit mechanics for the yoshis

>>382756261
100% serious. I guess IX was your first FF if you think it is even close to good

>>382755242
I liked that battle theme. Are you implying Chrono Trigger's battle theme is so much better? As a battle theme it's very unfitting. At least Cross's is more exciting and fast.

>>382756530
I played 9 after 6, 10, 12, 7, 8, 4, and 5. Even Sakaguchi agrees 9 is the best, it's also the highest rated FF game (or second highest next to 6, which I consider the best 2D FF game)

>>382756405
>Less worlds than 64
>Can't do missions in a non linear order
>Clearly unfinished with Blue Coins padding out the last 20 Shines
>Lack of platforming levels
>Chuckster level
>Lily pad level
>Pachinko level
>Watermelon level
>Hydrophobic Yoshi
>No Long Jump
It is the Skyward Sword of the Mario series.

>>382755561
Nah Trigger is the real poster child, right down to the setting.

>>382756650
Sakaguchi can think whatever he wants. Doesn't make it not a shit game

>>382756491
FLUDD was a cool one off idea to make the platforming easier. It takes away challenge but it's not a huge deal.

>limited levels

What do you mean? Like a small number of levels to choose from?

>blue coins

They're only annoying if you really want to collect every shine. Also not a huge deal unless you have autism and NEED to complete it.

>fruit mechanics for the yoshis

I don't see the problem.

>>382756868
It clearly destroys your "it must have been the first one" narrative though. Your opinion also doesn't change the fact that the majority of the FF fanbase sees 9 as being better than 8

>>382755161
>superior in literally every single way
>step backwards
Nigga, you a dumb fucking parrot.

>>382756882
>It takes away challenge but it's not a huge deal.

what the fuck is a platformer game without the precise platforming? Unless you're psychonauts or something you don't get to take that away

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kh2's the best in the series ,gameplay wise

>>382757174
>kh2
>predecessor to CoM

uh

>>382756653
>fewer worlds
Not a huge deal
>can't do missions in a non linear order
Ok?
>blue coin shines indicate game being incomplete
Fine but still not a huge deal
>lack of platforming levels
Ok but it's still fun to play. They tried something different and clearly people don't like different.
>chuckster level
That's you being shit at the game
>lily pad level
If you're talking about the red coin special stage one I agree completely. It's total bullshit.
>pachinko level
I'll give you that one too. It controls like shit.
>watermelon level
That's you being shit at the game
>hybrophobic yoshi
Don't really see a problem here.
>no long jump
Not a huge deal.

>>382756970
And a majority of people are stupid. If Ron Jeremy told me getting fucked in the ass was better than slaying puss, I'm not going to start taking cock up my ass just because he is Ron Jeremy.

>>382757290
are you aware the standard sunshine's predecessor (and successor for that matter) set? You waving these off as "no big deals" doesn't dismiss the fact that it was a big decline

>>382757250
It did come before Re:CoM.

>>382757250
I thought we were going through with production times, in case which kh2 came before re:CoM

>>382751423
Was probably the first FF with an actually competent translations. FF1's was terrible, 4/6 had fucking Ted Woolsey and 7's is just a mess with loads of typos.

>>382757359
>If Ron Jeremy told me getting fucked in the ass was better than slaying puss, I'm not going to start taking cock up my ass just because he is Ron Jeremy.

Considering you prefer FF8 to 9 that's not beyond the scope of possibilities

>>382757389
Eh then you gotta consider it with KH2FM

>>382757052
It doesn't make the game significantly less fun. I played it recently. It's not a huge deal, you just don't like it and are confusing that with an actual major flaw. It's not as good but it's not shit.

>>382757470
I never said sunshine was shit

>>382754097
>I would argue 3 was the one to do this because the series became about MUH MARY SUE THE BOSS because of it
what? when was the series not like that?

>>382757554
before 3?

>>382757359
You need to be 18 to post here.

>>382757381
I'm aware. If what you're trying to say is 64 and Galaxy were such incredibly good games that the ok Sunshine is a big disappointment in comparison I guess I can agree with you, but it's not a terrible game by any means.

>>382756187
Final Fantasy IX is the third best JRPG ever made, try better bait.

>>382757657
>If what you're trying to say is 64 and Galaxy were such incredibly good games that the ok Sunshine is a big disappointment in comparison I guess I can agree with you, but it's not a terrible game by any means.

yeah, kinda what the thread is about. No mario game is bad

>>382757463
You're right. If I preferred 9, I would blindly take that D

>>382757523
>what the fuck is a platformer game without precise platforming?
You've done a poor job of not implying it.

>>382757446
And yet the translation was still shit tier. Squall was pretty much an entirely different character from the original Jap version.

http://fyeahffviii.tumblr.com/post/72672083380/squall-whatever-leonhart

>>382757726
Hey the non fludd sections are great and sunshine also has an exploration aspect to it, but there is no ignoring FLUDDs role

>>382757685
Oh no. I triggered someone with the truth

>>382757685
What are the first two?

Can I guess? I'm gonna go with Suikoden 2 and Chrono Trigger.

>>382757446
nah that was 9, 8 had issues as well

>>382757837
>Hey the non fludd sections are great
Those also constitute less than 10% of the missions, most of them have you doing stuff like extinguishing Piantas or cleaning a beach.
Sunshine does one thing well which is movement but almost none of the levels actually have you using it.

One of the non FLUDD levels is the Chuckster stage.

>>382757657
>You need to be 18 to post here.
since when was there a limit? Now that I'm not 18 anymore, I can't post here?

>>382753535
>at no point in FF8 is it a 10/10 story or gameplay wise

Neither was 7, so how exactly did 8 decline?

>>382757887
Persona 5 and Chrono Trigger.
Suikoden II is amazing too though.

I personally think that 7 is the best FF. I know that’s not the hip answer, but its mine nonetheless.

>>382756187
ff9 was a throwback to the OG FF with the 4 fiends and shit. i fucking hate the story but the battle and monster design are the most memorable parts of the game.

>>382757981
7 is an 8/10 or 9/10 while 8 is 4/10

>>382758001
>persona 5
>top 3 jRPGs ever made

fucking lol

>>382757934
>most of them have you doing stuff like extinguishing Piantas or cleaning a beach.

I unironically found the "cleaning up gunk" aspect of the game fun.

>One of the non FLUDD levels is the Chuckster stage.

Ok?

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>>382758001
Persona 5 is also an excellent choice.

>>382751563
so sad.
there are a lot of good ideas in it too, but the basic gameplay is awful, the statistics the game provides are lackluster and even the civilopedia is a fucking mess.

>>382757970
Jesus Christ it's worse than I thought. He's autistic.

>>382758121
*tips fedora*

>>382751423
FF8 was worse than 7
FF9 was worse than 8
FF12 was worse than 10
FF13 was worse than 12
FF15 was worse than 13.

FF has just been on a downward slide for a LONG time.

>>382758070
>7 is an 8/10 or 9/10 while 8 is 4/10
Of course, because you said so.

>>382758189
>FF15 was worse than 13.

Fuck off, FF15 was far from perfect but still a step in the right direction after the disaster that was the 13 trilogy.

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>>382758189
>FF9 was worse than 8

>>382758189
>9 worse than 8
>12 worse than 10
>15 worse than 13

lel

also FF14 is one of the best FF games ever made

>>382758158
bruh. You explicitly stated that you need to be 18 to post here. That excludes both ages below and above 18

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>>382758189
>FF 8 was worse than 7
>FF 10 was worse than 8
>FF 13 was worse than 10

fixed that for you, senpai

>>382758271
FF8 at least tried to do something different. Both the Junction system and the story were something you would either love or loathe (and the possibility of loving both at the same time is extremely narrow).

That said, 9 is just generic, dull drivel. Anyone who thinks 9 is anything more than "meh," is not someone who is worthy of respect.

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>>382758537
>It's good because it did something different

>>382758536
As someone who actually really loves 8, but can see why others would loathe it, 8 was better than 9, and 10 was better than 9. 9 is better than 12, 13, and 15, but that's not much of an accomplishment, considering Drakengard 2 is also better than those games.

>>382758613
I didn't say it was good OR bad. I said it tried to do something different, which makes it respectable. Unlike 9.

>>382758613
>it's a callback to old FF, that makes it the best. I would give you money, but my nostalgia boner is too big rn

>>382758670
>8fag
>8 better than 9
>tarotard

your resume is not looking good

>>382758724
Good think I'm not applying for a job, dumbass.

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>>382758537
>different = good

>>382758706
>Enemy scaling discourages leveling up
>Drawing makes battles tedious
>Combat is laughably broken with the game being perfectly beaten by spamming Aura and Limit Breaks
>Entire story is a time loop meaning everything you do essentially pointless
>Everything to do with Squall and Rinoa
These ideas are just downright trash, there's nothing respectable about them. When the game's mini game is better than the game something is very wrong.

>>382758537
>That said, 9 is just generic, dull drivel.
This. I literally have the game sitting on my shelf, and a save file where I am right outside of Trance Kuja's fight (and I beat that worthless hidden blacksmith, too). I've been there since around 2000. I was just so bored with the game, I ejected it and have never felt the urge to complete it, even though more than a decade and a half has passed. I've never done that with any other game I've purchased.

I honestly hold 9 in lower regard than 13 and 15.

>>382758941
That's not what he said.

>>382758717
>using a working formula is worse than adhering to an absolute clusterfuck of design

hmmm

>>382759074
>I honestly hold 9 in lower regard than 13 and 15.
No you don't.

>>382758941
You seem to think that I called 8 good. Feel free to point out where I said that.

>>382751423
The Story Final Fantasy 7 was boring.

>>382758189
Nothing can be worse than 12.

>>382759074
>I honestly hold 9 in lower regard than 13 and 15.

nice job disregarding everything you just said

>>382759207
he's right, deal with it

>>382759207
I completed 13 and 15. I didn't 9.

And you know all I remember about 9? Good CGI, bad summons, forgettable characters, and a broken combat system (just use Tent on the enemy, and watch them get bit by a snake!)

>>382759110
I bet you are a boring person who takes no risks in life

>>382759262
What's wrong with XII?

I've never played it before and I'm looking forward to the remaster next week.

>>382759293
Feel free to explain.

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>>382759348
>forgettable characters
There isn't a better character dynamic than Vivi and Steiner in the entire series, especially Disc 1.

Easily the best cast.

>>382759392
Not who you were asking, but I really wouldn't. 12 is not a good game. I sold my Limited Edition copy and Limited Edition guide for 20 bucks, and I feel as though I ripped that friend off. She, who was super into FF, never got passed about 3 hours in.

>>382759502
>Easily the best cast
If what you said was true, then all you would be doing is taking a dump on the FF series. The cast is shit.

>>382755161
>autism pasta

>>382758670
>considering Drakengard 2 is also better than those games

In story maybe, but the gameplay in every Drakengard has always been worse than the Dynasty Warriors games they were ripping off.

>>382755161
I enjoyed it.

ff8 and 9 have a better party dynamic than 7 and 7 just stalls after leaving midgar

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>>382759502
To be fair, only these were good.

>>382759590
Wrong.
The group dynamic between Zidane, Steiner, Garnet and Vivi is amazing. You see the relations between those four characters grow and evolve over the course of the game with Steiner thinking Zidane nothing more than a lowly thief at the start and then coming to respect him at the end.

Eiko and Quina are also good comic relief characters, the only weak characters are Armarant and Freya.

>>382759392
Because FF12 is a bad version of xenoblade, every aspect of 12 is better in xenoblade

>>382759630
Not who you were responding to, but just try beating D2 on Extreme Difficulty, where 3 hits from the first enemy in the game will kill a level 99 character (presuming they aren't weak to the attack). Then realize that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of characters per level, and you are capped at SIX healing items (presuming you can afford them) per level.

Beating that game was a fucking badge of honor, and an absolute blast. The story was stupid as fuck, and the cast were fucking idiots that you would hate to listen to.

>>382759728
You're kidding yourself if you really think Freya is better than Quina or not on the same level as Amarant

One of the most overrated characters in the entire franchise who joins halfway through disc 1 and ceases to be relevant after the beginning of disc 2

>>382759728
Drop the Princess, Dragoon, Thief, and Knight, and you're correct.

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>>382759786
>Xenoblade's art direction and graphics
>Better than XII's

>>382759893
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about a game, not a painting.

>>382759893
Hey it's that city from Bioshock Infinite.

>>382759872
>dropping knight
NO

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>>382759951
Art direction is important, otherwise you end up with abominations like this.

>>382759670
>ff8
>better party dynamic

Yeah maybe if the romance between the hyperactive turboslut and the guy who wants to kill himself 24/7 didn't take up the majority of the plot, and if everyone else wasn't an annoying retard who fell out of relevance after the first disc.

>7 just stalls after leaving midgar

Not like 8 was any better.

>>382759867
It was a really good disc 1 for Freya.

>>382760102
>To be forgotten is a fate worse than death
Ironic.

>>382758189
Top tier
4 5 6 7 9
Good tier
1 8 10 12
Ok tier
2 3 15
Lighting tier
13

9 is my favorite though because I prefer set classes and a high fantasy/medieval setting compared to 6 7 and 8's more modernish settings

>>382760030
Yeah, but art direction in XII was surpassed by budget games. For being so open, XII really felt closed off.

Also, you could literally beat pretty much everything in that game by using Stamp. Just that Bosch (I think that's his name), slap a shit ton of maladies on him, and then have him use stamp. Done.

>>382759893
absolutely yes

>>382758189
Objectively wrong.

>>382760182
9 goes below lightning tier, IMO, as does 15. 9 is the worst of the bunch. And 7 is good. 8 is OK.

>>382760030
The artstyle in XC2 is great though, at least better than XC1. What you're complaining about is character design with that picture (which is also better XC1 so I'm not sure where you're going)

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>>382760182
>2 and 15
>Ok

>8
>Good

Those all belong in 'should be nuked and forgotten about' tier.

>>382758537
Literally nothing wrong with using a working formula
Its why pokemon has lasted so long

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Anything post-Bungie is either hot garbage or a shameless cash grab.

>>382760403
Reach was the death sentence though and last I checked that was Bungie.

>>382759893
he says this as he posts art instead of in game images because he knows he'll get BTFO

>>382760362
That's 9 and 12. 15 should be remembered as an abomination.

>FF8 is bad
>why is it bad
>because Squall is so emo
>that's an observation not a criticism and it's also wrong
>w-well the Junction system is exploitable
>that's also only an observation
>b-b-b-but drawing is too grindy and wastes time
>okay the first real criticism except that you don't need to excessively draw and there are plenty of other ways to get magic
>i-i-i-i-it's not FF7!
>*sigh*
A typical conversation with an anti-FF8fag

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>>382760543
(You)

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>>382760690
Yawn.

>>382760306
>>382760362
Ive enjoyed all of them bar 13
If you guys are too autistic to understand other people have different tastes thats on you
4 5 9 are the my top 3 in the franchise because they had real equip systems and less tech heavy worlds and with 4 and 9 having set classes instead of everyone doing being able to do everything
I also find 9's enemies to have the best variance and like pretty much all the zones

15's biggest problem was being ""rushed"" out the door before it was ready

>>382760102
She gets some good scenes but she only ever has anything to do with Burmecia and Cleyra, which amounts to a couple of hours of game time max and broken up by pickle shenanigans

The main 4 are relevant and consistently well written from the opening scene to the ending with the exception of Steiner becoming a bit of a background character once disc 4 hits and he's completed his arc by becoming Zidane's most loyal ally next to Vivi

Quina starts off looking like just a comic relief character but does that role well enough that I found s/he a worthy addition and becomes pretty relevant for parts of disc 2 and 3, mostly by acting as a strangely down to earth personality for other characters to bounce their issues on and ultimately come to a realization through

Amarant is always shit on for joining late and not getting much development but I don't think he's a particularly bad character, just underutilized. He's also a based as fuck party member who always gets a spot in the end for me.

>tfw love 7 8 and 9 for different reasons
>buttblasted 7fags can't shut their trap about supposed "quality" which is just another term forma "my first FF" or nostalgia

Only my genuine love for the game is not making me dislike it. God I hate FF7 fanboys.

>>382760690
yet you somehow think that's better than this?

Since you used a town, I'll use one as well. I won't even bother with the outdoor enviornments, we both know xenoblade completly shits on FF12 in that regard

>>382760536
At least Reach still felt like fucking halo and was easily identifies as such. I remember seeing beta gameplay footage of Halo 5 and thinking it was some new IP until the dude pulls out an MA5D. It just doesn't have the same feel anymore.

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>>382760806
Quino

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>>382760832
(You)

>>382760967
fucking lel even on an upscaled emulator it looks worse than xenoblade by miles >>382760923

just give it up, xenoblade replaced FF12

>>382760626
Love plot is hamfisted
Scaling enemies is aids
The equipment system is the worst in the franchise
Actively discouraged from using magic
Limit spamming being far too abuseable
Story goes full retard after the assassination attempt
The game isnt about laguna and co
Has a shitty modern setting
And I actually think the game is ok and replay it every couple of years

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>>382760885
I see those boosters anon

>>382760806
Amarant is a cool looking guy with nice monk/ninja abilities. But story wise he is a non character.

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>>382760967
how can 12fags compete? (they can't)

>>382751423
Loved it. Too bad english speakers got a shit localization.

>>382761090
Always bothered me how the sub plot of Amarant running into Zidane in Treno was randomly brought up never to be revisited.

>>382760806
Amarant also gets some background development throught ate's that are optional and or slightly hidden
He and freya get a few scenes where he mentions how zidane dicked him over and is the reason hes a wanted man yet zidane doesnt remember him at all

>>382761049
>Has a shitty modern setting

What did he even mean by this.

>>382757685
Not in this Universe.

>>382761296
>>382761218
>tfw Amarant was never a criminal in the first place and just can't do shit about it

>>382760690
Are you seriously trying to argue that ff12 had a better artstyle than xenoblade with an image like that

>>382757685
Why do you feel the need to slander an entire genre?

>>382760804

13's a good game. I can't bring myself to play 15. It's so fucking gay. So much homo.

>>382761357
Im saying medieval is unequivocally superior for a setting to the higher technology filled ones
It doeant automatically make a game bad but it certainly doesnt make it any better in my eyes

>>382761497
at least you play 15. 13 is a hallway simulator with an inbuilt auto battle system that gets you through 90% of the battles in the game. Speaks volumes about its quality

>>382761512
How about go fuck yourself?

That pirate ship episode was boss as fuck.

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>>382761581
>at least you play 15
I wouldn't go that far.

Oh look, it's the FFVIII, CC, and MGS2 are bad games thread. SHIT TASTE

>>382761651
this single 20 second qte segments exemplifies the entirety of 13

>>382761497
13 is an "ok" game dampered by ai party some shitty casts and the lack of real towns or the like
15 was a broquest dampered by being being pushed out at 80% completion that they are trying to fix with dlc shit they are charging for

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>>382751423

>>382761692
No one thinks MGS2 is bad though.

>>382761718
Holding dodge until a counter appears exemplifies the entirety of 15. Both are shit.

>>382760362
>>382760623
XV is the best FF to date.

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>>382761853
But it's not as good as Dragon Quest VIII.

>>382761539
That's because you have subpar taste and can't comprehend fantasy applies to any kind of setting, and the dichotomy of magical creatures and modern tech peacefully coexisting is really breathtaking when done right like FF8 did. Esthar was basically the game's Atlantis and its design was superb.

Also, most of the towns, be them advanced or classical look gorgeous.

>>382761853
XV is probably the worst FF to date. I can't say for certain, as I've only played 6 onward, and skipped the online FFs. But, in my experience XV is the absolute worst, and that's an accomplishment, looking at 9, 12, and 13.

>>382761804
hey at least 15 has AoEs that can't be avoided holding square....which doesn't really matter since you have infinite healting.

Regardless, point is there is more interactivity and exploration in 15 than the shitstain 13

>>382761912
>Esthar was basically the game's Atlantis and its design was superb.
I don't even like VIII but entering Esthar for the first time is an awesome moment, it also has Laguna which doesn't hurt.

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>>382761651
>I wouldn't go that far.
>posts a cherrypicked example of a cinematic boss fight
You aren't even trying, might as well post this since FF9 had QTEs too

>>382751590
those are some pretty high scores for a game like ffviii

>>382761692
I see more shitposting against MGS3 than 2.

>>382762000
>More interactivity.
I wouldn't go that far. And yeah, it has WAY more exploration, with absolutely no reason to bother.

>>382761912
>>382762031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fCa_B_A98I

>>382761912
No im very well aware that ff 6 7 8 15 are fantasy with modern tech that blend pretty well
I just dont enjoy modern/high tech as a setting at all
I cant play any of the deus ex or enjoy any space movies because i just dont find it interesting

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>>382762038
The funny thing is, this mini game is harder than anything in XV since you can't die in XV thanks to the buffer period they give you to pop a potion.

The hell were they thinking?

>>382762103
>no reason to bother

the optional main story dungeons (not the post games shitstain) and pitioss are both great

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>>382761804
No it doesn't, because those parries are literally entirely optional in regular battles, and they are only things you have to do like 5 indivdual times out of the entire game otherwise.

Regular combat has you make use of things like shields to manually deflect and block enemies based on timing, which has nothing to do with the parry indicator or button prompts.

>>382761945
No FFXV is by far the best FF to date in every aspect. I doub't you've even touched it, and are just talking out of your ass.

>>382762103
Just admit you havn't even touched XV already, there is objectively more interactivity in XV than any other FF, it also has the best dungeons in the series too.

>>382762157
that's not fair this shit is harder than 99.9% of final fantasy stuff

>>382762157
>The funny thing is, this mini game is harder than anything in XV
No it isn't. Fighting the bros at camp is harder than anything in any other FF. You can't die in any FF as long as you have phoenix downs and potions so fuck off with your meme post.

>>382762165
No, they aren't. I beat the game at level 25-ish, and played a bunch in the post game (including, I would imagine, those optional story dungeons), and they all suck.

Whoopee, an egg for a cup o noodles. Wow.

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>>382762273
>No FFXV is by far the best FF to date in every aspect.

>>382762145
Oh well should have said it sooner.

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>>382762278
Didn't they make it easier on the Steam release?

>>382762337
no Im not taking about the "menace" shitstains

>>382762338
please don't respond to FFXV-kun

>>382762428
Oh yeah, did it on my third try on the steam version could never do it on PS1

>>382762157
fuck that fucking fucker

>>382762310
The only way you can die in XV is from crashing the upgraded Regalia.

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>>382762273
>Just admit you haven't touched XV already.
Didn't realize I was talking to XV kun. Allow me to respond in kind: why don't you go fuck yourself?

>>382762537
I thought you were shitposting but then I realized that was the only time I saw the gameover screen. Holy shit how could they fuck up so bad

>>382756970
>source: my ass

>>382756592
As a matter of fact I am. Cross's sounds like it belongs in a Benny Hill chase scene rather than a battle scene in a video game.

>>382761512
No where near as good as 2 but 4 was the worst.

>>382762338
Hey cool, a reaction image in lieu of an argument.

>>382762337
I doubt you even touched the game let alone did all the optional dungeons.

>>382762537
Or by getting one shot, or by running out of items and not being able to heal.

>>382762581
>It's this lying cunt again
So not only are you full of shit but you clearly are just talking out of your ass about everything regarding the game. Like it's obvious you can't deal with FFXV being the best FF but you can't even explain a single fucking reason how another FF is somehow better.

>>382751423

I have a love hate relationship with VIII.

I like the premise.
I like the setting.
I like the characters.
I love the soundtrack, and it's one of the strongest in the series in my opinion. Easily top five soundtracks.
And any FMV sequence featuring Edea made my little 10 year old brain and penis feel funny, which probably explains why I get rock hard by evil which bitches later in life.

But the combat is just so fucking awful.
Crafting weapons is awful.
And while the narrative was actually pretty damn strong throughout the first disk, everything after Squall gets iced by Edea just feels fucking bizarre and not in a fun way, and it quickly took a nose dive. It was one of the strongest first acts to a Final Fantasy...Then everything that followed was just needlessly convoluted, confusing, and dumb.

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>>382762924
>Crafting weapons is awful.
Also useless unless you're Squall since Junctioning is where pretty much all your power is derived from. At least Squall gets Lion Heart.

>>382762860
>So not only are you full of shit but you clearly are just talking out of your ass about everything regarding the game. Like it's obvious you can't deal with FFXV being the best FF but you can't even explain a single fucking reason how another FF is somehow better.
FF is a game that I own on a system that I own. How could I not deal with it being a good game if it was? It wasn't.

>Or by getting one shot,
Doesn't happen.
>or by running out of items and not being able to heal.
The only way for that to happen is to be stupid.

>>382762924
>evil which bitches

*Evil witch bitches

>>382763042
>FF is a game that I own on a system that I own. How could I not deal with it being a good game if it was? It wasn't.
It was and you can't deal with that.

>Doesn't happen.
Couerl.

>The only way for that to happen is to be stupid.
So the same way as in any other FF.

>>382763117
>Couerl.
Link me to a video where it happens, because I've never seen it happen.

You can do everything right fighting some of the optional bosses in 7 and 8 and still get killed due to bad luck.

>>382758001
>Persona 5
wew lad

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>>382763286
Literally 1 hit KO taking both HP bars down to 0 in a single hit. The Couerl was only level 34 while my Noctis was in his 70s.

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Pic related and the FF7 compilation. Yes that includes Crisis Core.

>>382760371
Pokemon's been boring since the GBA era.

Such a pity that the game they finally bothered to inject new mechanics into ended up being gimmicky Hawaii shit. Hopefully the Switch Pokemon is good because I'm not tolerating this shit anymore.

>>382763439
But you weren't holding dodge until a counter shows up.

You weren't playing the game properly. Doesn't count any more than intentionally jumping into a pit in Mario.

>>382763631
I wouldn't know. I haven't played any since Silver. Because it was the same shit just being rehashed endlessly.

>>382763439
>used one of 99 phoenix downs

>>382761126
>wood bridges inside a tree
wow creative

>>382763826
As opposed to what you showed in 12?

>>382763713
>But you weren't holding dodge until a counter shows up.
First of all parries only show up on specific attacks, not all of them, even if holding guard there he'd still have been hit because you can't avoid everything just from holding.

Second of all you are objectively wrong because you said there is no 1hit KO attacks when there is and I showed you one.

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>>382763813
>phoenix down x 0

>>382763753
Pretty much my status too. I was hoping they'd make a 3D console game with the 150 (or 250 from G/S) but it's taken them until the Switch to do that. And now there's what, 850 porkmen, half of which have really reachy shit designs? I feel like their only responsible option is to cull back and make some radical remakes of some of the older games, not Fire Red or Leaf Green style. But a complete revision, almost like what they're doing with FF7Remake.

>>382763894
Not him, retard. Learn how anonymous imageboards work

>>382763942
>Second of all you are objectively wrong because you said there is no 1hit KO attacks when there is and I showed you one.
Ok, so as long as you play the game like a 2 year old, you'll die. Fair enough.

I mentioned 2 because my friend's 3 year old daughter played this game for a few hours without dying.

>>382764035
can't comment on the DLC, I refuse to spend more money on FFXV. I got gipped enough spending 60 bucks on it

>>382764107
Best $5 you'll ever spend.

>>382764074
then why bother responding to a conversation you're not part of? That's pretty autistic

>>382763753
You're doing yourself a disservice not playing emerald or black2/white2

>>382764107
It's gypped. As in Gypsy. Just thought you would appreciate knowing for future reference.

And I actually preordered the season pass, and refuse to play it too. I may have already lost money on the game, but that doesn't mean I have to be out time, as well.

>>382764169
no i don't think anything will surpass getting jak and daxter for 5 bucks

>>382764235
Precursor Legacy?

>>382764169
Even if that's true, you need to spend money on an abortion of a game, which is unforgivable.

>>382763942
Funny you should mention one-shots, since it's one of the things that actually proves how unbalanced the combat is.

>>382763753
Dont pretend to be me
>>382764074
Ive played all the entries but do feel that gen3 was the end of the golden age
SuMo were probably my least favorite since dp or bw (plat and bw2 are both decent though)

>>382764178
>then why bother responding to a conversation you're not part of?
If you want to have a 1-to-1 conversation with your boyfriend, get his phone number you moron.

I've played through XBC1 and the Frontier Village is one of the sloppiest and least inspired areas in the whole game. The fact that you're posting it is a joke, right?

>>382764301
yup

>>382764372
>I've played through XBC1 and the Frontier Village is one of the sloppiest and least inspired areas in the whole game. The fact that you're posting it is a joke, right?

we were comparing art styles, not level designs

>>382764354
>Dont pretend to be me
>>382764074
>Pretty much my status too.
I had no idea Silver was so popular. Back when I played it, pretty much everyone I knew picked up Gold.

>>382764329
>which is unforgivable.
It's unforgivable that the game was gutted to be sold as DLC a year after the game launched.

>>382764098
>b-but that doesnt' count
>ignores he was proven wrong
loving every laugh.

>>382764107
Ok so you're just talking out your ass.

>>382764431
>we were comparing art styles,
Yes, and who gives a fuck about the innards of a tree with some bridges? Been there done that with the Deku Tree. Uninspired hollow tree, whoopty doo. There's no room to show off a proper art style when it's just a tree.

XBC1 had some nice vistas when you can see the other Bionicle, but that's about it.

>>382764329
Seeing as you've never played it not sure why anyone should take your words seriously. XV is the best FF yet and you can't even refute that.

>>382764331
>there being oneshots means it's unbalanced
How? That's like saying because enemies can cast doom on you in other FFs that those are unbalanced.

>>382764514
>>ignores he was proven wrong
He literally said, "Fair enough."

>>382764549
>There's no room to show off a proper art style when it's just a tree.

considering nopon village looks better than anything from 12, you're wrong

I mean I could easily post one of the non-town environmental areas to compare with FF12, but that would be like doing a boxing match with a baby

>>382764604
No, he tried to act like he was still in the right and that it's somehow a bad thing that you can get 1 shot now, he tried to move his goalposts while pretending to still be in the right. It only showed how petty he is.

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>>382764592
>Seeing as you've never played it not sure why anyone should take your words seriously. XV is the best FF yet and you can't even refute that.
You really need to stop making these accusations. I'm tired of taking a slightly different screencap from my iPhone and sending it to my email address so that I can post it here.

I'm too lazy to do it again (already did it once this thread), so I'm doing it with one of my old images.

>>382764681
No, he simply stated that you needed to play the game like a fucking retard to get killed, which is true.

>>382764706
>wasting this much time on FFXV-kun

either a redditor or a newfag, stop responding to him

>>382764706
>>382764783
You really need to stop acting as if because you posted some PSN profile with FFXV trophies that somehow validates you https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/hVnM-4jVuaXzgZ0rrEsJJA/

First of all there is no proof that you actually played it, nor is there proof that isn't just someone else you knows account that you are pretending is yours just so you can win an internet argument. Your clear ignorance surrounding anything about the game already shows you have no clue what the fuck you are talking about, which someone who has played it wouldn't be as ignorant as you are showing to be.

>>382764738
No he backpedaled after getting proven wrong and now you're defending him.

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>>382758189
>FF9 was worse than 8
FF9 was better than 7

>>382764848
Yeah. It just happens to be a PSN profile that I have access to, and can post screenshots from mere minutes ago. Obviously this means that I have a friend that, at 440 am, is giving me his phone or texting me a screencap, so that I can lie about a game that I have a vendetta about.

>No he backpedaled after getting proven wrong and now you're defending him.
I didn't backpedal. I ignored your claim that I didn't admit that you were right. It's also theoretically possible to fall into a cliff in Super Mario Bros 1-1, but you're a fucking retard if you do. But congrats, you are technically correct.

>>382765008
FF9 is better than XV and XIII. Nothing else.

>>382765087
>Nothing else.
You forgot the rest of the series.

>>382765123
You must really hate the rest of the series if you think 9 is the pinnacle. It's bottom of the barrel.

>>382765087
IX is better than everything except X

>>382765210
IX >X > VII for top 3.

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>>382758063
>FF9 battle design
>Render the protagonist useless because he must spend every fight failing to steal the good shit and trying to build up that thievery count
>Trance in general

>>382765056
>It just happens to be a PSN profile that I have access to
Yeah because apparently knowing someone who has beat FFXV must be hard, not like a roomate or sibling could have done it and you are just trying to use their account as your own so you can shitpost online. You are obviously counting on the fact that no one would actually stoop that low as your cover because you are actually that fucking pathetic that you would stoop that low.

And yes you did backepdal, you get called out and then you pretended as if it's somehow a bad thing that you can get 1hit ko and that you must be shit for that to happen.

>>382765269
my top 3 are 9, 6, 14

>>382765272
Don't forget the worst summoning system in 20 years.

>>382765087
It's better than 13, not better than XV.

>>382765269
X > IX > VII is my top 3

>>382765328
And the blue magic system

>>382758189
Nigga Final Fantasy 13 was a Final Fantasy in name only

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>>382751423
I think you meant this.

>>382765363
Respectable.
>>382765432
Bait.

>>382765314
>Roommate or sibling
I'm married and live with my wife, anon. Nobody else.

>And yes you did backepdal
I just literally admitted that you were technically correct. If that's backpedaling, fine. I backpedaled. You're still a retard if you die in XV. Like, so retarded that your game skills are on worse than a 3 year old girl's.

>>382765272
>Render the protagonist useless because he must spend every fight failing to steal the good shit and trying to build up that thievery count
That's your problem, not the game's. There's nothing forcing you to waste all of Zidane's turns stealing and trying to rack thievery up to 9999.

>>382765363
>>382765462
A top 3 which is missing tactics is not respectable.

>>382751423
I rate it an 8/15.

>>382765314
>This autism.
XV-kun, you're on here like 8+ hours per day, every day, ready to defend FFXV. Do you ever socialize at all, or is this it? Because, just by reading your posts, I can tell you that I wouldn't hang out with you if I had the option. Hell, if you would be so kind to tripfag, I think you'd find yourself blocked by the majority of /v/.

If you are that insufferable on here, an anonymous image board, that people can literally pick out who you are, then you must be just as bad in the real world. That doesn't dull my annoyance with you even slightly, but it does make me pity you.

>>382765913
I haven't gotten around to playing tactics yet.

>>382765913
I heavily despise the sRPG genre due to the abundance of RNG in the gameplay mechanics

>>382765891
There's nothing forcing me to use any of the mechanics. True.
I don't even need to use "attack" if I don't want to.
Truly a deep and thoughtful masterpiece.

I really like the first act of IX where the party gets split up but I feel like they gave up trying to reunite them in a meaningful way so they just went with "Here's a teleporter that will take you straight to Garnet!"

>>382765913
>>382765953
>>382765979
I'm playing Tactics for the fourth time in my life. I've yet to sink more than 5 or so hours into it. Just a lot of reading and trial and error for me to figure out the best plan of attack. Gets boring fast.

>>382766141
It's probably not a game for idiots.

>>382766141
welcome to sRPGs, I gave up on that genre after trying FE 3 times, tactics 2 times, and Xcom twice. It's just RNG shit

>>382765462
Story was awkward as fuck in 7 and the graphics looked fucking mutilated. Gameplay was okay at best, but that is not enough to fill the gaps.

>>382765483
>I'm married and live with my wife, anon. Nobody else.
Assuming this is true, this still doesn't prove shit.
You're a retard if you die in any FF, so stop fucking pretending as if you only "can't die" in XV when you can prevent dying in any FF as long as you have enough items.

>>382766251
What's wrong with 7's story?
It's a pretty decent dystopian cyberpunk mixed into usual JRPG bullshit story.

>>382766189
What's your IQ?

>>382765948
Speaking of autism, you act like it isn't just as easy to spot when you shitfucks post the same shit against XV.

>>382765983
Using the mechanics is one thing, purposefully wasting all of Zidane's turns on steal so you can get all the boss items and max out thievery, then bitching about it like its the game's fault is another.

>>382766326
But that's wrong, you retard. Plenty of people die fighting Emerald and Ruby Weapon in 7, Ultima/Omega in 8, some of those optional created bosses in X, and some of the hunts in XII.

Can't speak to 13 because I haven't played it.

Name one Non-DLC boss that can and likely will kill you the first time you fight it in XV.

>>382766493
Who else is going to steal that shit?
No one else can.
Or are you trying to say I should just ignore a bad part of the game when I'm forming an opinion of it?

>>382766597
XV-kun certainly seems to think so.

8 had some massive flaws with the junctioning system and level scaling being beyond broken. Some stupid asspull plottwists like everyone forgetting growing up in same orphanage until convenient moment in a world where nobody else shows any signs of gf memory loss.

9 had really bad performance and slow combat. Little customization for characters... silly low steal chances.

10 had poor illusion of choice for the whole of pilgrimage. You just kept walking the line and watching unskippable custscenes. Too grindy end game content for the autists.

>>382766941
I honestly feel like 7 had the best story of those four and the least problems too.
The only way it is worse is the graphics.

>>382766597
I'm saying that you should stop caring about stealing everything, unless you're going for 100% there's no point, I stopped stealing altogether halfway through because the things just weren't even worth it anymore, and even when I was stealing, I was only doing it for a few turns and then just stopping because I didn't want boss fights to become FFVIII drawing for Zidane.

>>382766697
>XV-kun
>defending anything other than XV
What alternate reality did you come from?

>>382767081
And I'm saying that even if I ignore it, the design is still deeply flawed.

>>382767081
If one expects you to ignore the fact that you can just counter through the entirety of the game, why can't you ignore the fact that you have to grind your steal skill?

>>382767152
Do you think he knows what a fucking joke he is?

>>382767130
I don't see how its deeply flawed, It works basically the same as any other FF, except bosses have more than one item in IX, and each item has a lower and lower chance to steal it.

>>382767152
>If one expects you to ignore the fact that you can just counter through the entirety of the game
What? I don't even remember a counter skill in IX.
>why can't you ignore the fact that you have to grind your steal skill?
Because that's blatantly false.

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>>382767041
I prefer 10's story and characters but 7 is my favorite overall. The only one I don't understand the love for is 8.

>>382767041
VII had the best balance between story and gameplay.

>>382768186
>The only one I don't understand the love for is 8.
I suppose so.
I don't think 9 is very good but I at least understand why people would claim to like it.

DMC2
>somebody got paid for coming up with the infested tanks and helicopter
>somebody looked at the game and said, yeah this is fine, ship it

>>382765348
https://twitter.com/prozdkp/status/882029864584269824
b-but the gooch said so and xv-kun siad if the gooch says so then it's true
>inb4 just a prank bro

>>382768310
Yeah 9 was just a cross between Aladdin and Dragon Ball, which may not have been to my taste but I can at the very least see why it would be for others.

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Hurry up and give me an excuse to post this image.

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>>382754027
Wait what is this about the yakuza killing someone?

>>382766561
>plenty of people died fighting these superbosses
Umm ok? And plenty of people died getting 1 shot in XV, died against Cor too, or failed the final campfire fight because you get 1 shot in that too.

>>382768514
>ignoring that is literally a joke video
At least you tried.

See
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>>382755727

>>382770031
Cor is DLC. Doesn't count. Nobody died in the main game unless they were stupid as fuck. Also, you don't die in campfire fights. It's sparring.

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Hello, i'm here to shoot on a really easy target.

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>>382771406
At least Zero ended up okay.

>>382758153
I never played another Civ after IV and just moved on to grand strategies.
I still play some Civ IV from time to time though

>>382771549
After what? 3 attempts?, they had to eventually get it right.

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>>382758297
stop embarrassing yourself please

>>382766189
tips fedora

>>382756970
Never even finished ff9, it is that bad, it's shoveling crap at you until it becomes physically unbearable

>>382759828
>Put down game for years
>Pick back up and resume play with random level
>Gnome Boss Extreme mode
>"FUCKIN WHAT?"
>Consistent one hit kills
>"How the fuck did I do this?"
>Re-attain Get Gud mode and finally move onto another mission

These moments are what keep me coming back to certain games, I'd recommend Extreme Gismor to anyone returning though, he's still tough but a bit more forgiving than some other bosses to jump back in with