Is Fallout 4 a bad game or just a bad Fallout game?

>>382700362
Bad fallout game.

>>382701218
Is it worth trying at least once??

>>382701467
Not really. Just play Subnautica instead. There's even power armor in it now with the PRAWN suit.

Both.

>>382700362
Its actually the best. Ignore the plebs here on /v/, they hate anything thats even remoyely popular/successful so they choose to exaggerate even the smallest flaws to shit on an excellent game. ALL THE WHILE ignoring the flaws of other games they claim to be superior.

Both. It's a good modding platform to make a hardcore survival game with rape in it, however.

Fallout 4 is fun if you like exploring large map and shooting random enemies.
Fallout 4 is not fun if you expect RPG.

>>382701657

>not really
>here play this completely other game that's absolutely nothing like the game we're discussing

>>382701467
It's worth on sale/pirated. The game is not worth more than $15, but its not a bad game.

>>382700362
Bad fallout game
probably the best gameplay of a Bethesda game
probably some of the worst writing of a Bethesda game
If you like fallout then buy it and judge for yourself, if you dont then wait til its very cheap or just dont play it at all.

>>382700362
It's a fun game, though you'll find yourself burned out by hour 50 or so.

To consider it a Fallout game, though, is an insult.

>>382700362
Both. Taking out the Fallout branding still wouldn't solve half this game's issues.

>>382701657
yore dum Freeman

>>382700362
It's an ok game, just has a really shitty plot, but that's not new for FO.

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>>382700362
Its a good Fallout game as the first two where shit.

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>>382702436
Bait

>>382700362
The biggest problem for me was the loot system it was just not fun.

No it's fucking trash

>>382702859
>>382702894
I haven't played Fallout 2 yet, but the first game is definitely nothing special. Most of the writing and characterization is paper thin, no better than Fallout 3. The combat sucks and most of the skills have no real reason to exist. The only truly viable character type is a guy with high agility and intelligence, a good combat stat and high speech.

>>382700362
It's a bad Dark Souls of the Fallout games

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>>382703031
How is it any better or worse than other fallout games

Even if you ignore it being a "Fallout game" it's still shit. It fails to be a good open world game, you'll be better off with Far Cry 4 than Fallout 4.

Pirated it on day 1, played for a few hours, uninstalled. Recently bought it in the sale because I figured it might be less shit with a few patches and some mods, refunded after 2 hours.

I just can't see the appeal in it. The story is trash, the protagonist's VA sounds entirely bored by what he's reading (besides the fact that the dialogue system is gutted), the world feels like the Capital Wasteland but somehow more dull, the NPCs are either boring or annoying, the settlement system is a complete waste of time and adds nothing of value, the weapon mod system exists purely to cover the fact that there's like 4 guns in the game, and the RPG elements are somehow even more shallow than Brotherhood of Steel.

The only improvement over 3/NV is that the shooting is more responsive, but even then it's nowhere near as responsive as any given FPS. And there's pretty much nothing in the Nexus that fixes any of the issues beyond "verbose dialogue" that just adds more words without addressing the lack of options and one mod to automate settlement building that just equates to a "Skip The Fade" type thing.

tl;dr it's a shitty FPS wearing Fallout's skin.

It's fucking trash

>>382700362
it's a bad game

I still had fun playing skyrim but something about fo4 is so pervasively shitty that i never finished it

What happened to Bethesda to make them think they should throw all roleplaying out the window and focus the game around building forts?

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>>382703640
bethesdrones

>>382703640
They were trying to distract the player from all the RPGs elements they can't do well.

>>382703640
Todd-kun played Minecraft for 6 minutes and had an epiphany.

>>382703803
They don't need to do it well. People loved Skyrim and Fallout 3 in spite of the shallow roleplaying, because at least they still were roleplaying games.

In one of Kellogg's memories during the babysnatching scene he says that leaving all the other vault inhabitants to die was "part of the old man's plan", but then we later find out that the old man is shaun, who he was in the vault to kidnap, and is at that time a baby.

So what's the deal with that.

>>382703195
Its based on the scavenge system in which finding wonderglue or some other random crap was just as valuable as whatever the guy shooting you with has. There came a point in which upgrading your gun was more meaningful than trying to find a new type of gun. Enemies were annoying obstacles keeping you from that screw or glass or whatever it was than something you wanted to scavenge from.

>>382700362
It's a good game, but not a good Fallout game.
It has it's merits, but when it's compared to it's predecessors it falls short.

Honestly if you haven't played it, and see it on sell for a decent price ideally $20 or under I'd say pick it up.

>>382704102
He's talking about the Institute leader at the time

>>382703803
3 was a pretty good game for its time, they're not hopeless. 4 is just a travesty. They want normie money from elder shits. They're capable of making good games, but they dont because of greed

>>382704174
Don't listen to this guy it's boring as shit, pirate it if you want to try it.

>>382700362
>Vanilla
Hell no
>heavily modded
Absofuckinglutely

Try it once vanilla and then, systematically search for mods on the nexus to fix things you don't like, or for things you want added. There's a 75% chance the mod you want is out there already.

I went in to Fallout 4 expecting a laughably bad story and an open world where I can just roam around and shoot at things. I wasn't disappointed.

>>382702027
It's a craft-em-up exploration game with a scifi setting. What, did you think Fallout 4 was an rpg or something?

>>382703235
Now this is here is a fucking terrible opinion. All the missions in Farcry 4 are the fucking same except for the acid trips to shangri la. The best aspect of the game is the stealth whilst everything else is boring.

>>382704598
>The best aspect of the game is the stealth whilst everything else is boring.

What? Stealth is beyond shit in Far Cry 4. I don't know which stealth games you have played to like FC4. There is zero challenge or variety once you figure out how to stay out of sight.

>>382704596
This, I wish everybody would stop expecting Fallout 4 to be an RPG, when clearly it isn't. Take it at face value for what it is, a loot & shoot, openworld, crafting game. Its basically minecraft.

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>>382700362
It's the best Fallout game, but has some flaws and design decisions some people don't like.

It's a good game, just not New Vegas and that's why fags around here stop off from reddit to shitpost.

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>>382704862

Except Minecraft already does crafting better, and even Borderlands is a better shoot'n'loot and even has co-op. There's nothing in Fallout 4 that hasn't already been done a hundred times better by other games.

>>382704931
Objectively untrue

It's fucking awful shit. Play something else.

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>>382704968
>likes Fallout 4
>calls others reddit

Remember when someone called out one of the writers for claiming jet was a pre-war drug and he got all pissy.

>>382700362
Depends, if you actually liked to role play then you'll probably hate it. If you like to shoot dudes and explore then you'll probably like it.

>>382700362
Literally all I wanted was a new fallout game with nicer graphics.
Honestly the dialog interface change and the voiced protagonist really suck a lot out of the fun
Honestly I can put up with most of the shit just to fuck around in a new post apocalyptic shit hole but those two things are what ruined it the most

>>382705130
I remember when fo4 first came out and /v/ was loving it. Then predictably you fags came in started shitposting about how it's the worst game ever made. Happens every time on /v/.

>>382705073
>literal pixelblocks
>no electrical or mechanical contraptions
>better in any way
Fuck off Notch

>>382704598
I'm not saying it's a very good game, just that it's much better as an open world than F4.

>>382705272
Jesus christ, you fucking idiots can't even get your blind, bitchy complaints about Bethesda right. Pete Hines isn't a writer, he's fucking PR.

>>382705463
SOMEONE'S got access to the internal employee directory.

Someone who is EMPLOYED BY BETHESDA

>>382702436
This but unironically.
It's 2017 and I just don't have enough fucking time to sit around waiting for my turn to attack or to manage a million stat points.

>>382705719
The stat management in Fallout 1 is shallow and you can speed up the combat.

Probably comparable to the brotherhood of steel game in the sence of how bad of a fallout game it is. It's also is pretty much just average game if it was it's own IP to be honest. And it's 100% action /adventure and 0% RPG.

Some people don't want to worry about fiddling with stats & skills, they just want to play the game. Even when Fallout 3 and New Vegas came out I always added perks and skills through the console because I got tired of not being able to do what the fuck I wanted, when I wanted.

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>>382705374
Go away and take your Skyrim with guns with you

>>382706060
Fiddling with stats and skills is part of the fun. Being able to do what you want, when you want instead of having to make hard choices sucks out all the fun.

>>382705563
lmao, you start backpedaling immediately. Pete Hines wrote that tweet, he isn't the writer, he has nothing to do with the game itself.

>>382706060
>I play RPGs
>but I don't like the 'RP' part of them
>only the 'G'

>>382706150
>Hard choices
Remind me where the "hard choices" were in New Vegas? Don't waste your time on Perception and Charisma and only get perks that increase damage or loot. Games a fucking cakewalk by level 10.

>>382706150
Imagine being 1 fucking point away from being able to unlock a certain door, you now have to leave that place, go grind for 15 minutes until you level up, add stats, and then come all the way back just to unlock that shitty door or trunk with godawful loot anyways. Nobody wants to fucking do this. The only thing that should have stayed that Fallout 4 got rid of, was the Karma system, and the reputation system. I also miss the cities and towns, settlements suck.

>>382706367
Is minmaxing roleplaying?

>>382706558
So don't open the loot chest? If you wanted it that badly you would have put points into it.

>>382706567
Considering it's the only instance of minmaxing in the game (other than not investing in shit skills that don't fit your character), yes. Considering SPECIAL is also a system in Fallout 4, whats the problem?

>>382706651
Fuck no I'm not going to sit there and leave it unopened because then, in the back of my mind, I will always wonder what was in that chest.

>t. takeall fag
You best believe I cheated carryweight too.

>>382706558
I'd come back later if I really cared that much or I'd go and level up if it's something that might be really good

>>382706740
why do
>shit skills
not fit your character

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>>382706558
>Imagine being 1 fucking point away from being able to unlock a certain door
NV magazines were created for that matter
>you now have to leave that place, go grind for 15 minutes until you level up, add stats, and then come all the way back just to unlock that shitty door or trunk with godawful loot anyways
Or you might just not open the door
>Nobody wants to fucking do this.
If by nobody you mean fags who want everything served to them on a silver platter then you are correct.

>>382706060
You're kind is the problem with not only gamers but the current generation that thinks the deserve everything. You know, there are other games out there that cater to your small brain, but Bethesda wanted your market share because you just throw money a these shit games so they dumbed down stuff for asshats like you.

Participation awards and all of that bullshit. Being able to be the head of the thieves guilds and mages guild with having not put any points or hardly any into related skills.

I can understand for f4 because replayability is shit for that game, but it was made unreplayable because of fsggots like yourself.

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>>382704174
It's $15 on Steam right now.

I was considering buying it

>>382700362
Most boring AAA in a long time

>>382706558
But this was a shitty game design flaw with a shitty mini game for lock picking. Could have been fixed in many different ways but Bethesda is lazy.

>>382702003
The map itself feels vomited out though. It does offer some fun regardless.

>>382700362
I think you are missing something if you don't play it, really.
They shit about it not being a true fallout but it got more power armour than every fallout.
I guess this is AAA delusion thinking a 15 years old engine isn't standing up nowadays, but it really does, trust me.

>>382707651
Missing what, a dumpster fire?

>>382707184
Oh so now I have to go out and find a fucking magazine? That takes me even further away from the door?

I'm not gonna sit there and leave any door locked or any container unopened. I refuse to play like this.

>>382707370
How the fuck can you stand, not being able to grab an item that's there through an artificial difficulty wall? You could literally blow the fucking door open with a bomb or a shotgun and it would be more realistic. I fucking hate RPG faggots. Literally the worst, most archaic, fanbase to ever exist.

>>382700362
Bad Fallout game and bad RPG. If you think of it as first person wasteland survival and settlement building simulator it isn't that bad. As a Fallout game it's an absolute abomination.

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>>382706060
>Dont want to fiddle with stats and skills

Why the fuck are you playing an RPG then?

>>382707862
I like Post-Apocalyptic Open Worlds. Go play D&D faggot.

>>382700362
I'm a long time Fallout fan and 4 is the only game I just can't finish. It's just boring to me. It's 5 miles wide and an inch deep. The main story sucks but it's even worse than 3 somehow. The game doesn't characterize NPCs well enough for me to care about them. The skill system is a fucking mess. Settlements are a waste of time and resources. The better gunplay is counteracted by the lack of variety in weapons. The VAs sound like they are falling asleep from the shit writing more often than not. I just can't find a reason to finish it when I'd rather play NV again.

>>382707385
if you do get it get some survival focused mods like frost and don't actually play it vanilla, just explore and survive
also crank up the in game difficulty a tad

>>382707936
>Playing a Fallout game yet complaining about stats and skills

Fucking off yourself

>>382700362
fallout 4 is a bad bethesda game
even if you like bethesda games, you're probably going to find a lot more to dislike than usual

this is probably why bethesda is reluctant about doing tes 6, they're trying to find their magic touch, it's been lost

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>>382707827
>Oh so now I have to go out and find a fucking magazine? That takes me even further away from the door?
There are plenty of magazines laying around in NV. By following the main quest path you're likely to have a couple of them already.
>I'm not gonna sit there and leave any door locked or any container unopened.
Then you put points in lockpick you fucking mongoloid if you want to open doors.
>I refuse to play like this.
How sad. It's a shame game devs aren't parents tending to faggots with child mindsets.
>MOOOOOOOOOM THE GAME ISNT LETTING ME DO WHAT I WANT

>>382707827
Pretty sure there's a lockpick magazine in fucking goodsprings in NV

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>>382708161
>magazines are not permanent
For what fucking purpose? Do you just magically lose all the knowledge you just read?

>>382708549
>For what fucking purpose?
For balance reasons. You have books to permanently raise your skills, magazines to temporarily boost them for a reason or another.
>Do you just magically lose all the knowledge you just read?
There isn't really a better way of introducing something that boosts your skills temporarily.

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>>382708549
Why should they be permanent? That would be boring

>>382708549
Keep moving those goalposts, anon.

>>382708549

Magazines are meant to represent temporary knowledge. Stuff written in magazines is usually irrelevant after a month or two, so the idea is that they provide a temporary fix for immediate knowledge while the books provide permanent boosts based upon more highly-proven knowledge.

Granted, this is the same universe where 1950's style computers can operate just fine after hundreds of years of next to no maintenance, so realism isn't exactly a factor.

>>382708549
>eating sweetrolls and drinking beer is not a permanent buff
game is bullshit desu

>>382702002
This.

>>382700362
It's not a terrible game, and can actually be considered a good game when modded

>>382702003
Awful Fallout game.
Mediocre regular game.

Just get it on sale and mod it.

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It's fun game, but it shits on the very idea of what the Fallout universe is supposed to be and what a role-playing game is supposed to be.

If we're being honest though, the Fallout universe doesn't make very much sense.
>cars and many other everyday appliances run on atomic energy, meaning they have a plutonium core
>this could exist IRL except the government doesn't want everybody to have access to enriched plutonium
>this fear apparently doesn't exist in the Fallout world
>despite this, there are STILL gas stations everywhere, which doesn't any make sense
>why was the period between WWII up to the Great War of 2077 stuck in a cultural stasis of this Leave it to Beaver-esque 1950s aesthetic?
>apparently all the nuclear weapons were low yield fission based weapons with high fallout, essentially glorified dirty bombs, thermonuclear weapons didn't exist
>despite this fact, they had both plane dropped bombs (like the one in Megaton) and ICBMs with mobile launchers (like the one seen in Fallout 4's opening cutscene)

Is the game force you to build a settlement?

>>382705073
No one said it was good at any of those things. Expecting anything more than "good" out of bethesda these days is insane.

it's a bad rpg but a solid fps

>>382708758
>there really isnt a better way of introducing something that boosts your skills temporarily
Fucking mentats and chems you dumb fucking nigger. Books are knowledge and are permanent. You don't jus forget everything you learned after 5 minutes. Also your magazine just doesn't dissapear into thin air, its in your back pocket or your backpack. You can always refer to it when needed.

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>>382708765
Not an argument

>>382708842
>Implying pre-war magazines come out monthly still
Holy hell you are retard

>>382708946
Food =/= Knowledge

>>382709369
Most of those are due to Bethesda's weird ideas like nuclear powered cars.
>>why was the period between WWII up to the Great War of 2077 stuck in a cultural stasis of this Leave it to Beaver-esque 1950s aesthetic?
I think the original devs chose the 1950s aesthetic because it's representative of the American golden age, thus creating a dark contrast since by 2077 the entire world is collapsing. That being said 3 and 4 went overboard with it (see Fallout 4 assault rifle, a fucking WW1 LMG)

>>382700362
Bad Fallout game
Good game
Excellent Fallout 3 successor

>>382709643
>Fucking mentats and chems you dumb fucking nigger.
How do you want to introduce chems that allow you to be better at lockpicking only you drooling faggot?
>Books are knowledge and are permanent. You don't jus forget everything you learned after 5 minutes. Also your magazine just doesn't dissapear into thin air, its in your back pocket or your backpack. You can always refer to it when needed.
Like I've told you before, all of that is for the sake of convenience. What do you wanted them to do? Allow you to use the magazines over and over again? What fucking point?

>>382700362
Awful Fallout game but good gunplay and weapons mods are fun to fuck around with. 6/10.

>>382709104
if it needs mods to be playable then the game is not good

>>382709860
Easy, perception mentats, that effects all skills under the Perception branch by adding a +5 to each perception skill for 5 minutes.

Once you use a magazine the stat just stays, you can't use the magazine anymore and it becomes a collectible. Just like Fallout 4. This is the proper way.

>>382710140
I didn't say it needed them to be playable, just to be on the level of older Fallout games

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>>382709643
>I want to completely trivialize leveling up and building my stats

>>382710163
so you would be perfectly fine if it was a magic pill and only because it's a piece of paper that it's bullshit, thanks

>>382707827
> How the fuck can you stand, not being able to grab an item that's there through an artificial difficulty wall?

I never fucking said it was correct, like I said, there are fixes, but Bethesda is fucking lazy, see fallout 4.

The same lockpicking minigame for 3-4 fucking games. There are some mods for F4 that fix these like allowing you to try to blow locks open or just plain allowing you to lock pick fucking anything at all with any skill, though it's suppose to be harder for the locks that you're not suppose to fix, but I find it still easy. But again, why the fuck are modders tasked with fixing shit?

Also you know what? Sometimes, you're just not suppose to get shit. Again, instant gratification generation. The "I deserve everything". I can excuse it for F4 because it's a shitty game. Skyrim is border line. But if they made a proper game, you would want multiple playthroughs as different classes experiencing different shit every time.

>>382710163
Is autism the reason why you care so much about this shit? It's almost impossible for video games to be consistent with real life. What about
>reloading mid-magazine magically gives you back the bullets you didn't spend
>you cock the gun despite a live round being in the chamber
>drinking water and eating food heal you after you got shot 10 times and you're still walking like you don't give a fuck
>perks work like magic
>armors give you stat boosts
And so on. Quit being autistic for a second, the entire game cannot be consistent by IRL standards. In this case what matters the most is that as far as game balance is concerned they just work.

>>382707991
To be fair to the moron, F4 is so fucking dumbed down, that his complaint about been locked out of shit in a RPG fashion, in a non RPG game is fair enough.

>>382709369
> every single car explodes when you look at it the wrong way
> somehow these cars remained untouched for 200 years before you showed up

You're looking for logic in a game that is not only devoid of it, but goes out of it's way to break every single logical thought.

>>382710463
He wants to launch the game and see a screen which says "You Win".