Now that the dust has settled, what is the better game?

Zelda, I don't remember anything interesting ever happening in Horizon.

>>382695194
Horizon was another Witcher/Farcry/whateverclone with objectives and interfaces guiding everything with nothing interesting or exciting added to the gameplay.
Zelda, on the other hand...

Zelda, get fucked neogaf.

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>Xenoblade has even less gameplay and interactivity than Horizon does
>Nintentards praise the fuck out of Xenoblade
Explain yourselves, Nintentards

>>382695778
how many fucking times are you going to post this today, like holy shit get a life man.

>>382695194
Zelda
Not that that's saying much. Playing with your own feces would be a better game than either

>>382695194
why are nintentoddlers so desperate for validation
>h-h-haha see everyone on /v/ loves nintendo, i didnt make a mistake buying the switch, botw is the g-goat

BotW.

>>382695928
do you get mad at the daily switch shill threads too?
Hard mode: don't lie

>>382696075
I don't own a switch, so I don't enter those threads.

>>382695194
Haven't played Zelda, but most the criticism HZD gets here is fucking garbage. Fags just shitpost without playing it.

>>382695194
https://strawpoll.com/9rd8d2f

>>382696197
>I don't own a switch
why are you so desperate to defend Xenoblade and Zelda then?

>>382696560
>"defend"
I've played those games and enjoy them, xcx isn't even on switch you mongoloid.

>>382696975
How can you defend Xenoblade when it has the same pitfalls as Horizon?

I'd actually put both games equal, they were both mediocre

>>382697086
it's not even the same genre

>>382697210
What games do you enjoy anon?

>>382697370
so?

>>382697210
>they were both mediocre
I don't think I've played an open world game that wasn't mediocre. The only one that's ever stood out for me was GTA: San Andreas. I had so much fun with that game when it first came out.

>>382695194
I enjoyed Horizon way more personally.

But they're both great games.

>>382697379
The last game I played and thought "Wow this is fucking incredible" was probably Bayonetta 1.

Not to say I haven't really enjoyed many games beyond that, I think 2017 has so far been a stellar year for video games.
That said it's worth mentioning that I am incredibly harsh on Nintendo games, especially Zelda. Not because I'm a fanboy or shill for the competition, but because I know what Nintendo is capable of and I get incredibly disappointed when they make mistakes.

>>382697442
it's a daft comparison to make, they're for entirely different demographics and thus have different core gameplay.

>>382697442
Not him but you're just being difficult now.

>>382697985
but all the reasons /v/ says horizon is bad apply equally to Xenoblade, why's Xenoblade get a pass?

>>382695778
Who mentioned xenoblade you cock?

>>382698020
>a shitposter is being difficult
Then stop responding to him you fucking idiot.

>>382698073
>but all the reasons /v/ says horizon is bad apply equally to Xenoblade
not really, xenoblade provides full freedom of exploration, especially once you get a skell. In fact, in some regards it does this aspect better than zelda, since you have to go miles out in the ocean to come across any invisible walls. I'd also argue that XCX has better sidequests than Horizon, and significantly more enemies.

>>382698249
I just got here, fuck off.

>>382698391
>I'd also argue that XCX has better sidequests
lol sidequests in X are pure garbage

>>382695194
The one without Social Commentary and looks like a fucking Studio Ghibli film

Why ask stupid quiestions?

>>382695194
Does it matter?

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>>382698659
>Social Commentary

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Alloy is a cute!

Horizon get fucked /v/intendo

>>382699224
No why or how? Lol

>>382699015
Whoa....so this is the power of the Play Station 4(Four) Pro....

Not bad.......

>>382698391
How the fuck doesn't HZD have full freedom of exploration?

>>382695778
I've seen you in like 3 threads today posting the same exact thing. Stay on topic.

>>382698941
>work part-time as a whore
>still push sjw agenda on games, while getting fucked

>>382698486
that's just, like, your opinion man.
>>382699423
has a lot of invisible walls, and there's no climbing or flight or anything equivalent to it.

>>382699676
SJWs aren't against sex. Anti-sjws are because they're all virgins.

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>>382699892
Is that so

>>382699423
Horizon lost this argument when you couldn't mount the big robots or fly.

>>382695778
xenoblade is a lot of numale's first JRPG that's why it gets praise. nintendcucks that grew up watching their friends play FF and KH on PS2 were finally relieved to get a "real" RPG on a nintendo console after decades of muh zelda

xenoblade X is shit it was a half baked project just like everything else related to the wii U, a quick cash grab using the previous product's title and adding an extra letter

>>382700141
I have no idea what this is, but I highly suspect if you explained this to your dad, he'd be disappointed.

>this thread again
>keep making in hopes people unironically say Horizon
Kill yourselves sonyfags.

>>382701204
Beat'em'up with tiddies

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Zelda obviously

Zelda... no doubt
Horizon is also really good!

>>382701116
Wow someone's new.

>>382701204
not an argument

>>382702063
Neither was a picture dude.

>>382695194
I didn't play any of those but Zelda oviously.
This one I'm sure to try, Horizon just look like another casual story-focused crap.

>>382695395

I dont remember anything interesting happening in Zelda, its just a bunch of boring shrines. Horizion actually had a few interesting moments that drew me in

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>>382702165
Pretty much

>>382702165
>>382702485
that's a shame, as I had a few interesting things happen in zelda, like:
>fighting a dragon across mount lanayru
>stealthing through the yiga hideout
>encountering the molduga
>eventide island
>the tarrey town sidequest
>basically every kass quest

>>382702701
That guy who posted both posts clearly never played it

>>382702817
Why is that always the fucking argument?
>If you don't suck this game's dick you obviously never played it :(!

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>>382701414
>ganon focused anime film

looks dope senpai, wish it was real

>>382702973
to be fair, given some of the blatantly incorrect things posted about the game, it wouldn't surprise me.

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Why are the characters so ugly in horizon?

>>382703468
Because artists stopped giving a fuck about aesthetics.
It's dead! Art is DEAD!

>>382703468
Cus hes a nigger, duh

>>382695194
For me, Zelda was a better game and an interesting redesign of the licence. Can't wait to see what's the next Zelda titles are going to be.

Though (because unlike most people shitposting here, I actually played both) Horizon was far from being shit. Of course, gameplay-wise it wasn't exactly exotic but hey, it worked, so... And also I really liked the universe. Visually some areas are just gorgeous.

>>382695194
Games like BotW and XCX simply offer better exploration than the snooze fest that is Horizon.

>>382703468
>everyone has to be a fucking supermodel

Go back to your wifu simulators faggot.

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>>382695778
This asshole.

>Has no way to defend against BotW
>starts arguing about a whole different game instead.

>>382702973
Because it's obvious to anyone who actually played the game when shitposters just parrot a bunch of memes they've snapped up.
This applies to every game, by the way.

>>382705429
XCX has no exploration

>>382702485

That's true for me but if the time when both lines crosses is near 100 hours.

>>382705846
How so?

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>>382702485
Assblasted Sonyqueers.

>>382705846
The game mostly revolves around exploration you dumb shitposting faggot.

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Zelda is the obvious winner. It makes an utter mockery of Horizon. Of course Horizon has prettier graphics but BotW gets it's praise from it's focus on player agency, freedom of exploration and world building. Some of things BotW is doing feel truly next level.

>>382707839
>>382707509
you can't interact with the environment, its basically an Ubisoft world

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>>382703468
why do you idiots only show the same 3 guys

>>382708019
I don't think you and I have the same definition of exploration bud.

>>382695194
so you are going to start this false flagging shit again

BOTW has ruined all open world games like Witcher 3 and HZD for me.
Bought Horizon Zero Dawn during the E3 sale, and I've put maybe 15-20 hours into it. I finished BOTW then went back to HZD. I cant take it seriously after BOTW.
I am constantly jumping against random walls to try and climb them
I am constantly venturing into strange and difficult-to-access parts of the map and being disappointed when there's nothing there, not even a Korok Seed OR something to discover
I am also constantly marveling at how good the weather animation is in HZD, but keep expecting to be struck by lightning during every storm. I feel no fear or nothing wherever I am.
And when I go back to MGSV to try and finish it, or Blood and Wine, or Xenoblade Chronicles X... it's the same damned thing.
Breath of the Wild has really ruined open world games for me. Nintendo has set a brand new standard, and it is just too, too high.
Nintendo has literally set a new fuckin standard. Open world skyrim clones literally don't feel the same after this game, this game will be remembered 10 years down the line. Honestly, I'm left unsatisfied by how empty other games are. The focus on hyperinteractivity in the environment has changed open world forever.
Anyone else know this feel?

>>382698941
>she will never be your babysitter

>>382708149
>Hipster beard
>Nu-male faggot haircut
>Muslim

Get that shit out of here

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>>382708474
>Hipster beard

>>382708329

I know the feel.

>>382708329
I had a feeling this was pasta so I pasted your post into google and it brought me to a reddit post.
Care to explain yourself?

>>382708329
>>382708534
ok let me ask what new did the game bring

I want to play Horizon later this year when its price drops, I think I will enjoy it as I enjoy most open world games, but Zelda was an otherworldly experience that I'll never ever forget.

>>382708623
Hyper interactivity between materials and elements
Chemistry engine

>>382708471
She's a psycho

She's got a diagnosed personality disorder. She was so mental jake rapp up and left her in the lurch. I believe he divorced her and took the wiiu

She posts smut on patreon for dosh now

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>>382708618

>>382708623
Where do I start? And come to think of it, why bother? You don't want to hear it. You'll never accept it.

>>382708329
No, we are completely uninterested in your shiny new toy

shit posting aside I think everyone knows the answer to OPhaggots question

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>>382708905
>>382708815

>>382708840
>she will never dress you up as ness

>>382708941
>responds to pasta in a faux nonchalant way as if he wasn't mad
SEETHING

>>382709063
Mention a single game.
A single one shitposter.

>>382708881
Pasta. But Pasta Of Troof.

>>382708623

Complete interaction with the enviroment.
The feel of "If I think it will work IT WILL WORK"


It's not about adding new things, it's how well they merged everything with the physics.

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>>382708474

>>382709287
>Complete interaction with the environment
so something games have doing doing forever

>>382709386
Mention them.
It's always the same bullshit with you, mention a single game, fucking shitposter, stop being pretentious.

why are you even replying to bait?

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>>382709080
>She will never fuck your ass with a baseball bat while dressed up as ness
>You will never be pegged by alison while fucking jake in the bum bareback

Brb, killing myself

>>382709440
far cry

I've played neither but one of them stares some retarded redhead with a shitty haircut so based purely on that I'd say BotW wins.

>>382709517
Does far cry allow for conduction of electricity, impromptu circuits and the impact of weather in materials or player?

>This hasn't been posted yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPXKdSEGNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEGWtyJAkO0

>baiting for yous

>>382709540
so braids are shit now

Oh gee

>An open world Zelda game
>ubisoft """"Open world"""" game

I wonder which is better....

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>>382708623
>ok let me ask what new did the game bring

Nintendo coded a world where the weather, the climate and the environment are all intricately connected, informing the player's choices and, in turn, influencing how the player interacts with the environment.

That's ONE thing BotW does. That's next-level shit dude.

why even bother guy is clearly OP keeping the shitposts alice

>>382709440

Cry baby living in denial.

>>382709686
any rpg has shit like that

@382709806
So is that all you have? shitposting for (you)s while talking shit about a game you haven't played? Is this the extent of your discussion?
>>382709841
Mention them.

>>382709841
Name ONE.

so you retards love having the same thread over and over

>>382698413
>hurr I can't handle advice
Fuck off yourself

>>382709896
>>382709891
The new Fallout 4, buy it now while its on sale at Steam!

>theres something to put in the options field when you reply

>>382709891
>>382709896
skyrim

>>382710138
This is false and you know it, weather in Skyrim has no impact, elements have no impact other than stat based, why lie? why shitpost like this? what are you doing anon? is this going to make Zelda a bad game? Ever? Ever at all?

butthurt enough to post something about a 4month old game

this is beyond pathetic how about talking about a recent one

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>>382710090
>Fallout 4

>>382695194
Can we just admit they're both good? The only people we should laugh at are Xbros for not being able to play either.

>>382695778

But that's the only game on a Nintendo system that's on par w/ HZD. BotW is a nostalgia treat for hungry manchildren it's not a great game and barely passes as a good one.

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>pulling out skyrim and fallout4
somebody just when full retard

>>382710253
final fantasy

>>382710657
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>382710781
XV?

>>382695194
>which of these mediocrities is better?
who gives a fuck

>>382710710
lurk more?

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>>382710887
FFXV did it before Zelda.

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>>382710657
nice try

>>382711062
Still stat-based gameplay with quality animations.
There's an order of magnitude between that and what Zelda does.

>>382711062
Give up now and stop embarrassing yourself.

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>>382710637
What a little bitch :^)

The only thing botw truly lacks is more interesting shit to find in the world and some better sidequests, otherwise it's the best openworld game I've ever played. It's better than horizon by default as it's the antidote to the shitty, dull ubisoft style of "follow these billions of icons to your next chore" open world games we've all grown tired of....it even does the tower climbing without making it feel like a shitty waste of time. Starting Horizon at the same time as botw was a mistake; the emphasis on shitty cutscenes, the shoehorned western sjw shit, the awkward controls, the lack of interactivity with the environment.....Horizon is basically just another generic open world game with a few refinements. Botw is truly special and ambitious, and I hope Nintendo makes a similar game that improves on what it lacks.

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>>382711942

>>382695194

Lads, I have a Wii U but I don't have a Switch but I do plan to get one sometime down the line. Should I get BotW for the Wii U and enjoy myself or should I save it for the Switch?

its funny the only people that talk about horizon on /v/ is zelda fans

Constantly seeking validation makes you look desperate and unsure about your own capacity to make decisions.

Botw is not bad but its not nearly as good as all these people putting it on a pedestal say it is, not even nearly.

It doesnt do anything remarkably innovative, interesting, clever, or new. It lacks personality and INTERESTING things to do.


I just dont understand all this "omg its the greatesy game/open world/zelsa ever its so groundbreaking omg 10/10"
These people need to be shot

>>382712182
Get it for WiiU.
It's damn great.

>>382701116
but the vest ff was for a bintendo consile...

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okay, /v/, real talk time: how many of you have actually played through both of these games? i played BOTW at release, just picked up horizon last week. off the top of my head:

-BOTW's total freedom is a double-edged sword, lack of new weapons and mechanics gets stale. combat is simple, lots of detail and effort put into climbing/adventuring mechanics. difficulty curve inverted, game is ten times harder when you first leave plateau simply because you have no heart containers. once you get a few, game gets not-so-bad. once you get a few good weapons, game gets easy. once you realize that one hearty ingredient makes a full heal, game breaks like a twig. four divine beasts + shrines < actual challenging dungeons they could have built, missed opportunity. four champs' spells are simultaneously broken powerful and boring, because no new gameplay mechanics allowed because MUH TOTAL FREEDOM. ganon fight was easy and a SUPER missed opportunity, horseback phase was basically a QTE when they could have built a challenging fight.

-horizon's open world is more restrictive; can't climb anywhere, etc, can be frustrating sometimes. really pretty game, runs well on base PS4. combat is really fun and engaging, playing on very hard. medicine pouch is a neat mechanic, means spamming heals is free up to a point, then expensive when you have to start going through those 15-meat-a-pop potions. enemy variety is great, really good designs. kind of like monhan-lite in terms of breakables, building status to proc, setting traps. not far in main quest, but horizon actually has a story and world-building, which was easily BOTW's weakest facet. aloy's kind of mary sue in terms of the shit she can take down, although so is link, i guess. missing all the adventuring stuff from BOTW, can climb and sprint around wherever in whatever kind of weather wearing whatever. i like that there's an XP/skill tree system in place, some of the upgrades are boring, though.

>>382712595
OK

>>382712595
nah

>>382712182
Save for it Switch, it's the definitive version.

They're both solid 7s.

I think Horizon edges out because BoTW framerates were unacceptable. Also had so much to live up to as a Zelda game that it just failed to meet.

>>382712182
Only difference is the resolution, virtually nothing else.

720p for Wii U
900p for Switch
take your pick

>>382712595
>It doesnt do anything remarkably innovative, interesting, clever, or new. It lacks personality and INTERESTING things to do.

Objectively wrong. On every count.

>>382713048
Easy to see with your evidence there

>>382713048

I guess you could say making an open world game without objectives, story, or satisfying gameplay could be seen as "innovative".

>>382695778
ACfag moved on to Xenoblade?

>>382695194
People are going apeshit over zelda because its a decent zelda game.
People are going apeshit of H:ZD simply because its a decent ps4 exclusive.
They're both decent and see no reason to play console wars again
I prefer Zelda tho

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>>382713176
BotW has some of the most satisfying gameplay in an open world ever though.

>>382712182
Pirate it for Wii U

>>382695194
Neither one has replay value.

>>382713176
I guess you could say that reductive puzzle design with multiplicity in mind is most definitely innovative in every way, are you denying this?

I haven't played Horizon but if it holds a candle to Zelda it must be a damn good game.

>>382712725
>>382712856
12 year olds counterargument as to why extreme hyperbole is good and zelda is the best everything ever while level headed reasoning is dum

>>382713287
it has a robust physics engine.

No where in the game are you required to use the slate skills, no significant abilities unlock through the duration of the game, and enemies only get tougher by becoming damage sponges.

That doesn't make for a satisfying game. It's played the same from hour 1 til hour 101 with only like 20 decent puzzles out of 120 possible to break the monotony, puzzles which can often all be cheesed with the same few physics engine tricks.

>>382712618

I appreciate this honest comparison anon

>>382713360
They didn't design with multiplicity in mind. They designed and just allowed them to be cheesed.

>>382713486
Nah you just don't don't want to admit that an open world game that has two engines at work, at the same time, for both refined physics and a "chemistry engine" that sets parameters for both elements and weather and their impact on materials and the player and solves complex interactions in real time is a milestone for video games in general.
you will keep denying it mentioning "tons of games" that do this and always failing to present a single one that does everything at the same time in such a fine-tuned way like every other person that has tried during the last four months, there are examples of that in this very thread.

>>382713486
Assblasted sonyqueers and PCfags will never get over BotW.

>>382714004
Fujibayashi himself has said several times that their design philosophy was multiplicity and that there were no wrong answers or ways to solve anything, what they did is they took the regular puzzle with a single course to its solution and reduced it to situations and objectives, the player gets to the objectives by interacting with objects, physics and the world in whatever ways he can think of, that was what they had in mind in the first place.

>>382714489
Yes, you countered your own argument. They made a singular puzzle and just let the physics engine provide alternative solutions that were not intended.

That is NOT designing with multiple solutions in mind.

>>382712618
How is it objective to reduce all BotW's achievements to anecdotal things not even worth a line and make HZD's not terrible things stack up to a chunk of text?
I bet horizon is a nice game but it's obvious Zelda is leagues ahead in terms of what it brings to the table. It has lots of flaws, but the way they designed the exploration and the interaction with the environment alone is worth it's own conversation, and HZD can't even dream of being part of it.

>>382714869
No, they set a situation and an objective, IE getting somewhere, getting X from A to B, and then made sure there were at least three ways to the objective.

>>382715110
Reminder that Horizon has better graphics, story, enemy variety and music than BotW.

>>382715182
Name one shrine that has 3 intended paths like how you describe.

>>382714869

You are falling into semantics shit. They designed the game so you could solve it organically. How in the motherfuck can you even try to make that sound bad. Even more when one of Zelda's criticism was how stale the puzzlesolving was getting.

>>382698659

It doesn't look like a Ghibli movie. The jaggies are so terrible sometimes it almost look like an 8bit game

>>382695194

I wish we could have a game that played like Zelda and looked like Horizon

>>382715393

I'm not trying to make it sound bad. I'm saying that's not what happened.

>>382714163

Who the fuck cares if it did something new, the game sucks and the Switch is for fags. Get your weak babby nigger console shit game outta here.

>>382715272

I doubt it about the music, desu. What i heard from Horizon sounds pretty generic, and doesn't fit the theme of the game any more than it would fit uncharted, for example. Or any blockbuster movie, really.

>>382715570
>I'm not trying to make it sound bad.

Yes you do. You try to make it sound like it is nothing interesting, remarkable clever or new, when it's precisely the kind of stuff you don't find in other games this massive.

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>>382715110
i mean, i hit the character limit and i didn't want to keep writing. what all did BOTW "achieve", and horizon do terribly?
>hasn't played horizon
oh look you lack the ONE qualification necessary to discuss these two games and compare them

the exploration is literally non-designed, and that's the point. the environmental interactions are good, but i've played half-life 2, i've played the MGS games. environmental interaction and attention-to-detail is cool, and i mentioned it in my post, but don't pretend that it's this revolutionary new thing. it's been around for a while.

>>382715272
idk about the music, all the other points are true.

>>382715298
The magnesis one has a section where you raise plates to reveal a way, a wall of blocks, an enemy and a pit.
You can use the plates of the beginning, getting one of them across the starting fence, push the wall with it, kill the enemy with it and put it atop the pit.
You can use one of the plates above the previous pit to put it over the pit, you can place the block between the pit or raise ice from the water in the pit.
you can kill the enemy crushing him with the wall of blocks, you can crush him with a single metallic block in the wall or you can fight him or crush him with the starting slate (take note this is supposed to be the first shrine you get, otherwise you can bomb him too if you do that shrine first)
You can push the wall of blocks, you can climb it, you can use the magnesis to push everything around.
This is one (1) example

>>382710637
l m a o
I guess Horizon couldn't kill Zelda so it's the xenoblade killer now

>>382716230
MGS and Half Life 2 don't have complex interactions with the environment other than the sporadic sneezing, freezing of your rations and that's just for Metal Gear, HL2 only has the physics, and it doesn't even have stasis.
Stasis sells the game.

>>382701116
BotW is more of an RPG than KH. This isn't an insult to KH, but KH is barely an RPG.

HORIZON WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER AS A SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL.

There, I said it.

And before you start on me, I loved the game, but Christ it relied so much on ex-positional pseudo-cutscene-holograms and recordings that in order to fully appreciate the story you'd have to spend like 10 hours just listening to all the datapoints. And that's after the hours it would take you to find them all.

>>382695194

Unless all of you are underage and can't buy more than 1 system, you are fucking autistic fucks.

Enjoy games for what they are, both of those games are good and anyone who enjoy games should play both.

>>382716471
mgs and hl2 ABSOLUTELY have complex interactions with the environment and lots of little details. how can you even pretend that this isn't the case? have you played beyond the first five minutes of MGS1?
>no it's STASIS that's this super unique and awesome mechanic that sells the game
please, shit's too unpredictable to use reliably in gameplay (at least for flinging shit around). for every one of those cool stasis webms, you know full well whoever made them fucked up twenty times trying to record them.

>>382716851
No they don't, not in this scale, not at this level, that is the point, I'm sick of people like you trying to downplay this, the same kind of people trying to downplay the sheer possibility of changing protagonists in GTAV on the fly, the same kind of people trying to downplay the complex ragdolls and car collissions on GTA IV, you don't know change if it hits you in your face, you don't know shit about what it takes to make something like this.

horizon is good but it's no zelda.

>>382716091
If they had actually designed things in this way it would indeed be interesting. I don't agree that this is the case.

>>382716290
Could you explain what about that is multiple solutions?

If you're counting "oh you can use a torch to carry the flame, you can shoot an arrow through a brazier, or you can use a fire arrow" as separate solutions then I guess that's okay.

I thought you were talking about things like >>382713287
where there were actually multiple paths and intended ways to skip or sidestep to find new solutions.

I played a lot of early physics based puzzle games like The Incredible Machine 2 and I don't find what you're describing to be particularly "new" or "refreshing" but I'll concede that it's not common.

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>>382695194

>>382717270
>the sheer possibility of changing protagonists on the fly in GTA5
it's neat, they used it well in the heists

>the complex ragdolls and car collisions in GTA4
don't care, negligible impact on gameplay.

again, anon, a neat mechanic is a neat mechanic, but a game is the sum of its parts. there are games out there like red faction guerilla or plain old fucking minecraft that feature deep environmental interaction. why is BOTW so special? what about the fact that you need to wear warm clothes in cold weather in a video game causes you to come so uncontrollably? these things have been done before, and they get old. like, wow, i have to make a few warm elixirs and buy a piece of rito gear. meanwhile, the varia suit has been around for close to thirty years.

>>382717674
They are different ways to reach a common objective.

>>382717989
>A game is the sum of its parts
>why is BOTW so special?
You answered your own question while trying to nitpick a small aspect of the game and downplay it.

>>382718094
Different is a bit of a stretch.

Zelda, easily.

>>382718214

>Dude, the game is worth it because of one mechanic
>No wait it's the sum of its parts

I'm not even that guy, but...

>>382718276
There's still a spectrum of possibility that was intended, as said by the developers themselves.

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>>382695194
I liked Zelda more but it is up to your own choice, but I honestly really doubt that at least 30% of the people in this thread have played both.

>>382718362
>the game is worth it because of one mechanic
>saying "stasis alone pays the game" means that it's the single redeemable mechanic
>implying I ever said that the game wasn't the sum of its parts while praising a single part of it.

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>>382716230
>I played both games so i am automatically objective
Okay, pal

>what all did BOTW "achieve", and horizon do terribly?

It didn't do it terribly because it didn't do it at all. Don't need to play the game to know that, it's pretty clear that the games have veeery different focuses. Horizon has cool dinosaurs and a story, Zelda has huge world interaction and player agency.

>But we already had environmental interactions in these linear corridor games that are so well respected and that nobody seems to build upon. Gee i wonder why people that is not me got excited to see that concept throguhly developped and fleshed out in a genre that was stagnating.

We've had decent stories and exp trees for a while in open world games. Maybe that conversation got stale in comparison to the tightly knitted gameplay of BotW for some players, devs, etc.

also allow me to comment on

>the exploration is literally non-designed

this is arguing semantics, but again this use of words makes it sound like there's no effort or care put into how the devs expected people to tackle the game's world, and that's a blatant lie. Hell, they even put one of the tools they used to shape the world after the testers' gameplay sessions and feedback.

I don't need to play both games to know you just don't care for what Zelda does for completely arbitrary reasons, as you compare it with other games according to parameters that are not fair to what the game tries to be. If you don't care for what the game tries to be, that's great, but maybe it's you the one who is not entitled to judge its value.

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>>382718439

>>382718872

UK has the worst taste in games so that's understandable.

>>382719064
you mad baby boy

>>382719301
>>382719064
While I agree he's probably just buttblasted that either his ugly waifu or Nintendo lost to Sony, the U.K. actually does have the worst taste in games (and food)

>>382719064
They just like Sony and Sega over nintendo, but nintendo stuff is starting to rise over the long term over there.

>>382718214
here's the thing, though; here's the sum of BOTW's parts:
-simple combat
-simple cooking and crafting system
-low enemy variety
-mediocre graphically, good art style
-sparse music, some is hit-or-miss, some is good
-freedom of approach
-lack of dungeons, cheap replacement in divine beasts and shrines
-bosses are simple due to freedom-of-approach focus
-story is bad
-difficulty is mismanaged
-runes are simple after you clear a few shrines and get the hang of them
-you need to pay attention to your environment and adjust clothing appropriately

it's decent, but it is NOT groundbreaking, and it DOES get stale.

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BotW v Horizon thread.

Almost all the conversation is about BotW.

Really makes you think.

>>382719584
>sparse music, some is hit-or-miss, some is good
Best music in the series after wind waker, don't even try to sneak that bullshit in there

>>382719702
It's pretty much just a botw thread with another game that cant hold a thread on its own mentioned occasionally everytime

>>382719584
>it is NOT groundbreaking

Kek. Yes it is. Video game history had now been spilt into BEFORE BotW and AFTER BotW. Every open world game from now on will be measured against BotW and the game itself will be analysed and discussed for the next decade. Keep crying.

>>382719584
>combat
>allows for use of environment, physics, explosions, elements and bullet time after perfect dodges
>simple

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Even the men in zelda look more girly than the "women" in hzd

>>382720067
sauce?

>>382719584
Well we will see which game can still have threads after a few months oh wait we already did

>>382719856
How did we go from this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sslj06K-Nlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8Y7hdD6Qk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzbWrGr_of0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J_bL2bjQ-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRHoPxAfy_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRbROTdOgj0

To this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk8sq59TZkU

>>382719856
>Best music in the series after wind waker

Holy shit some good taste right here. TP and SS's sound direction don't have shit on BotW.

>>382720023
This. Even if you don't think it should be, with how talked about it was, BotW is the new standard for open world moving forward.

>>382720206
The industry grew up
No more midi synths
We sound design now
We minimalistic piano arrangements that showcase the sound design now
We living breathing world now
Get it now?
You can always go back to the MIDI synths

>>382695931
Better go toss some poop around then.

>>382720206

I'm glad they got their shit together and decided what they wanted to convey with the music after 2 games of not knowing what the fuck they were doing.

>>382698941
No it wasnt ok when Nintendo did it. Nobody gave them a pass for their crap.

>>382720206
You get the hype on the castle here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgK_OfW7nl4

>>382720206
BotW has the best Hyrule field song in the series. I'm sorry your adhd prevents you from enjoying it.

The dark world and great sea over world themes are better tho, I'll give you that

>>382695194
Zelda.
HZD is just a shittier generic Far Cry in 3rd person.

>>382720526
Lots of anons give them a pass for censorship.

>>382720736
the amazing moving goalposts, everyone

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>>382718834
i mean, i'd consider myself to be pretty objective, but nobody's really 100% impartial. i do have a good amount of experience with both games, though, and can compare the two more accurately than someone who hasn't played one or either of the two.

>don't need to play the game to know what it did badly
you really do, anon. at the very, VERY least you'd need to have watched EXTENSIVE gameplay from both games, recorded by players at approximately your skill level to even be considered to have informed opinions.

your second point IS arguing semantics. if the climbing weren't in the game, nothing would differentiate BOTW's open world from any other. they're all built with player paths and destinations in mind.

>you just don't care for what zelda does for completely arbitrary reasons
i never, EVER said anything about whether i like or dislike either of the two games and think they're good overall. in fact, i think they're both a lot of fun. i enjoyed BOTW and i'm enjoying horizon.

>you can't compare game x to game y
that's literally the point of the thread. maybe you were looking for a different thread?

and please don't imply that even if i HATED zelda that i'd somehow be unfit to judge it. that's just not the case. you'd literally be making the argument that only critics that liked the game have informed opinions worth considering.

>>382719856
it's really not, though. overworld music is sparse, just a few little piano stings here and there. the divine beasts' music was all good, but the same leitmotif being used for every single blight AND ganon got old. not much else in the way of noteworthy music IMO, definitely not as good as wind waker.

>>382720181
>if /v/ keeps talking about it then it MUST be good
what a retarded metric

Both are absolute shit.

>>382719584
What a fallacious breakdown. Nitpicks on that list weight as much as game-defining characteristics/core mechanics.

Why can't you understand why other people might have found it that good? How can you lack that empathy at this point?

>>382721039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj07-YU5cTk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlg43w1aK8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXllNPap39A

Not as good as OoT, MM or WW but definitely better than TP and SS.

>>382695194
As a massive zelda fanboy, BotW is one of the best games I've ever played.

I also have a ps4pro, recently got Horizon used (waited to get it used so I can return it when I'm done), and it's good but it kind of feels like they just took Farcry and updated it a bit.

>>382721039
How is a game being memorable or relevant not a good measurement of quality? Just because you don't think it is doesn't make it any less true.

>>382720181
both still get threads. zelda a little more but should BRAAAP threads count? zelda picked up since the dlc which is likely to happen to hzd

>>382721039
>not much else in the way of noteworthy music IMO, definitely not as good as wind waker.
Since you seem to have a short attention span and missed a lot of the noteworthy stuff, try listening to the soundtrack

>>382721653
>zelda picked up
Zelda never left.

>>382721213
How is it not as good as OoT or MM?

>>382721653
Should I say threads that last more than 10 posts, or don't have to resort to shitposting to stay alive?

>>382695194
Horizon was unmemorable, and boring as shit. Zelda was so much better.

>>382695778
One of the largest complaints about Xeno X was the lack of story and cutscenes you mongoloid.

>>382712031
(you)

>>382695194

I dunno. Horizon was decent, and BotW bored me after the first divine beast and never went back

>>382721653
Honestly both need to be put in /vg/ till their respective DLC comes out and yes I know BOTW came out

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>Horizon is the Zelda killer
>no wait! it's Far Cry 5
>no wait! it was Witcher 3 all along!
>no wait, it really was Horizon!
>no wait, Horizon was the Xenoblade killer all along!

>>382721842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8GRDNU50b8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0krxH0dWhU

There's no song to be found in BotW as good as those two, also a lot of the musical content from BotW are from Kondo's old work like Zelda's Lullaby, Ganon's Theme and the Main Theme.

>>382715680
Who cares if this anon is a retard, PS4 is for fags, cuz muh pride. Get your stupid IM GAY AND THATS OK console outta here.

>>382712618

Too fucking autism Anon

>>382722376
I think zelda will kill zelda in a few years
once normies get bored

>>382722691
>Zelda will kill Zelda
Yeah I fear the same, this game is too good, Aonuma never got the memo about never going all out because you need to make a living out of these things.

>>382722691
Normies don't get bored of nintendo games

Zelda's sidequests remind me of the shit that we left behind in early 2000 MMOs. Things like "Collect 100 rushrooms because I ate them as a kid" whereas Horizon at the very least makes it feel like the sidequests make sense in the world.

Tower system in Zelda was absolutely the worst of both worlds. Climb, wait for stamina, climb, wait for stamina, climb, wait for stamina. Watch out for that random enemy that might make you fall! There wasn't too many "towers" in Horizon, but at the very least I never felt like I was wasting my time.

Over all, I just can't believe how mediocre of a game Zelda was. I think over time, it's going to be remembered as one of the weaker 3D Zeldas, just under Twilight Princess.

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>>382721039
>can compare the two more accurately than someone who hasn't played one or either of the two.

I agree, you can. That doesn't necessarily mean you do.

>don't need to play the game to know what it did badly

I didn't even comment on HZD doing anything bad. But it's obvious what it does not do. I don't need to play Horizon to know it doesn't focus on player agency or environmental interaction. It focuses on fighting dinosaurs and learning a story. Not even critizicing it.

>your second point IS arguing semantics.
I know, that's why i said it. I was talking about myself, but i think wording was very important in that particular case about exploration.

>you can't compare game x to game y
that's literally the point of the thread. maybe you were looking for a different thread?

No, but I just think your comparison was not fair since the things you said about Zelda were worded in such an accesory way. I believe what you said Horizon has over Zelda, hell you played it. But there's BOOKS of things in BotW you sure as fuck won't even find in horizon and you seem to have forgotten about them in your comparison.

>and please don't imply that even if i HATED zelda that i'd somehow be unfit to judge it. that's just not the case. you'd literally be making the argument that only critics that liked the game have informed opinions worth considering.

Not my point at all. My point is that if you actively ignore what a game's point is and give accesory stuff just as much or more importance, then your criticism is fundamentally flawed. And critics a shit, man.

>>382712618
I never played Horizon but I agree with most of what you said about BotW. I'd add that breakable weapons are a shitty mechanic, but I know how some people seem to love that crap and will call you a casual for stating otherwise. Having a weapon break on me in the middle of combat and having to pause the game just to bring another one up is immersion breaking as fuck and I hate it.

>>382722397
Astral observatory isn't even that good

And the champion themes, Torrey town, Hyrule castle and the main theme/epilogue are all better than the admittedly great Gerudo valley

>>382722943
You're absolutely right, it is a terrible, stupid mechanic that actively pushes you to not adventure or attack enemies. There were so many instances in the game where the risk vs reward wasn't remotely worth it - especially in the Hyrule castle. It evolves into a "why even bother?" mechanic. big group of enemies and you have lots of weapons that are pretty good? Why bother with that little group of goblins that likely won't have anything worth while.

Headed through Hyrule? Why even bother fighting Lyonels that have tons of fucking health and will likely break two weapons when you've got the boss ahead? Why not just skip everything and preserve your weapons?

>>382695194
Horizon

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>>382723356
>why bother playing the game?
>why bother fighting enemies?
>why bother doing anything that's not going to the final boss after a certain point?
>these are flaws for Zelda shitposters
It broke them, it's sad really.

>>382695778
still, xenoblade X is way better than Horizon, at least it has water effects.

>>382723356
I found a point that they're weapons might have better stat increases like durability or attack up wtf is the point of "throw up?". IDK if you'd accept that as a point, as it's clear you don't enjoy things.

>>382723526
So when you are carrying a maximum of what... 8 weapons (I honestly forget) and a Lyonel breaks on average a weapon and a half and there's two or three of them on the path to hyrule, not counting the other enemies and the final boss... what sense does it make to actually fight them? What do you gain?

>>382696198
okay how about i didn't buy the game to be playing pick up the resources fucking everywhere so I can manage my bag and NEVER STOP: the game.

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>>382723764
>MFW Savage Lynel Crusher with +30 Attack Up

>>382723902
Because a lynel crusher with over 100 attack is sweet as fuck and decimates Hinoxes like it's no thing before they get up.

>>382723902
Also you can carry way more than 8 weapons, 8 is the base amount, you can expand it as soon as you leave the plateau if you head for kakariko and then if you follow the eastern road in hyrule field.

>>382695778
I take this as a sign of "BOTW > Horizon

>>382723902
Better weapons if you're looking for them, or clearing the path for exploration, or just looking for a fight

>>382708881
god i hate motion controls

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>>382711072
>run into cactus
>it explodes

>>382723902

They're obstacles? The wise thing is to avoid them if you're prepared to fight them, but they ambush you. Have you played the game?

>>382724339
For aiming it's a godsend though

>>382724440
If you're prepared to fight ganon* i meant.

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>Horizon SJW Dawn
or
>Zelda Breath of See That Mountain? You Can Climb It!

hmmmmmmm......

>>382724440
>The wise thing is to avoid them
So... my point stands, why even bother fighting them when you can just skip them?

>>382724626
>Horizon SJW Dawn
Nice meme XD.

>>382725391
Why even bother turning the console on?

>>382725391
That's the thing. You CAN if you want or don't need to. But what if all you have left for weapons is low durable royal stuff? Or you just want they're giant fuck-club if they have one? It's up to you to do it, so asking why you should or shouldn't doesn't make sense.

>>382720389
What the fuck do you think I'm doing?

>>382725637
Is it wrong?

>>382724127
the problem there is that you have to kill a silver lynel to get that shit. if you have a bunch of ancient++ and lynel++ gear, there's ACTUALLY no reason to fight any of those low-level moblins, because your weapon has a set number of hits before it breaks, and every single one hits for like four times the moblin's HP. which would be okay if they didn't then drop like wooden maces and bullshit like that.

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>>382729761
yep
i put off playing horizon because i saw that screenshot of the "refugee museum history" or whatever text log, but that was a mistake, because it was really obviously a super-cherrypicked bit of text meant to be inflammatory
people getting mad about SJWs have done way more damage to this board than SJWs

>>382730753

I played and paid for Aloy's game and I'll pay for her expansion pack that's not just "hard mode with some fluff"!

Take my money you ginger tramp! take it all!

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I blame Horizon-kun for single handily destroying all decent discussion about both games.

Fuck you Horizon-kun

>>382695194
>making this thread again
What a fucking retard you are, OP.

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>>382731070
you mean the retards that made the same thread over and over again shiting on the game na

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>>382731070

>>382732820
more like
>b-but BotW got paid reviews
>LMAO look at ARMS it's a flop!