Which one is better?

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MGS4's highest moments absolutely btfo the best moments of MGSV, but the worst moments were far worse than anything in MGSV equally.


MGSV was consistently pretty alright. MGS4 was mostly shit with some diamond moments/sections/ideas.

MGS V is completely irrelevant to the series and might as well be from another franchise
MGS 4 actively shits on the series

MGS V >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MGS 4

>>382687864
This
However, I have to say that personally, i think that 4 is the better MGS game overall, fun quirky story that has its moments, fun gadgets, off the wall cinematics and set pieces, and boss fights. 5 is a good game, but not a good MGS

If you count GZ, it's V by a longshot.

GZ+Saving Kaz+Pitch Dark + OKB Zero + Sahelthropus + Shining Lights + the ending

just those segments alone are better than anything in 4

MGS4 is the better Metal Gear game.
MGSV is really good but feels kinda soul-less

>>382687560
MGS4 is definitely a better Metal Gear game but MGSV is a better game.

>>382688540
You forgot Hellbound, that mission is pretty good too.

I fucking hated how in 4 they turned the comedic crew from MGS3 into the villains of the series, like fuck off

I feel like gameplay is generally off with both of these.

4 still has a few 'MGS' staple moments both in story moments and actual gameplay mechanics, but it kind of feels too 'arcadey' at times, like the game has bigger levels and more enemies and tries to be 'realistic' but you still have the ! stuff and CQC, I mean, to me the problem is that you feel no obligation to spare anyone. In 3 you can fuck around with the guards in many many different ways and they're just actual "guards". In 4, it doesn't matter if you kill someone or not, they feel like generic soldiers, plus you get the retarded female soldiers

V is a phenomenal game if you play it right. An incredible experience, a thrilling black ops infiltration/guerrilla warfare game. It too has many weird moments, but they don't feel like the MGS brand of weird, just kind of...out of place, you know, since V is all 'realistic' as well.

Overall, V is a superior experience, both for MGS fans and non-MGS fans

>>382687560
4 slightly. V doesn't have enough spectacle to interest me as much in repeat playthroughs. Both stories are pretty bad but 4 has some damn good highs.

4's iteration of MGO was one of my most played games last gen as well. Not a fan of V's.

MGS4 is a real main series MGS while MGS5 is a spinoff

>>382687560
4 is way better. V feels like an irrelevant filler, and it's an unfinished game.

>>382690039
>its supposed to feel like a spinoff just like a REAL phantom pain, LE RUSE CRUISE KOJIMBOMB
this is what venom cucks actually believe

>>382689032
Oh, you mean like Big Boss who was always the villain of the series?

I thought Kiefer was pretty good desu

>>382689886
V is the best Splinter Cell game ever made with the wrong license.

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MGSV > MGS4

>>382687864
This pretty much. If MGS 4 had more gameplay and less cutscenes it would have been the best MGS.

>>382687560
4 is better just because it's not another game unnecessarily turned into an open world game because that's the hip new trend in gaming.

V is a far superior game mechanically but the open world is tiring and its story is nonexistent. 4's gameplay is generally solid spare act 3 and has some semblance of a story but fuck if it doesn't get stupid.

>>382690521
well put. i got a 100% save to unlock everything, turned off in-game markers and indicators, turned off reflex, play without tranqs or silencers or buddies or any other overpoweredi items. I got infinite heaven, side ops mod, 'can't believe it's not reshade' mod and zero GMP deployment, and just play it like a proper stealth game, and if I fuck up, i keep playing and using guerrilla tactics to finish the objective

i genuinely don't get why people would play with all of those shit options turned on by default. it's like if 90% of people who played MGS3 used the EZ gun

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>4 has gun kino
>better movement
>slowcrawling
>able to see your camo index
>fun weapons
>more player customisation
>better multiplayer
>solid snake
>liquid
>VR training, albeit gimped
>having the ability to have people fight along side you

>MGSV has
>all your shit connected online, go offline? lose %80 of everything you own
>small range of weapons with mostly useless parts
>waiting DAYS and evn a MONTH to get a weapon
>having the best weapons locked behing some realy expensive shit
>buddies that make the game easy
>reflex mode
>chicken hat
>wall hacks
>no radar
>a man cucked out of his own identity
>huey the second biggest cuck
>ocelot, miller and other characters only seen in cutscenes

come on now!? really /v/?

Peace walker was better than both of them

4, because Venom Snake didn't care about Quiet.

I liked the octocamo and mk ii but MGSV has vehicles and even more weapons and Items

for gameplay MGSV wins but for everything else MGS4

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>>382691342
what a dumb bitch lmao
V has better movement. the worm crawl is a meme
>fun buzzword
>muh solid and liquid
>VR
>people fight alongside you
lol

V also has great weapon customization and plenty of weapons

you can turn all the wallhacks and OP shit off
>complains about 'no radar' after complaining about other UI elements being present
what is the idroid?

fuck outta here

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>>382687560
MGS4 for sure. If i wanted a bad splinter cell, I'd play Blacklist. Which is actually just a better MGSV.

is mgs4 worth buying a ps3 for?

>>382692682
No. If RSPC 3 keeps going well you might be able to emulate it in about 3 years.

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>>382692334
>LMAO kys famalam dumb niggerspeak
>V has many weapons
>an ak, an m18, multiple doubble barrel shotguns and nothing else thats useful
>customisation
LOL
>y-you can turn them o-off!
they should have had them in the first place
>radar = idroid
oh im laffin, begone kojigook apologist

>>382692682
yes that and other GREAT PS3 titles which are kino

>>382692682
ps3 is like 100 used, at that price even wii u is worth it

>>382692334
MGSV also had shit level design and missions structure. TPP also has no actual game design variety and just recycled the same camp level design and missions tasks over and over.(something a fucking demo like MGSV GZ even had) MGSV also had practically an nonexistent story in a series that is known for being a story based game. MGSV also had stupid Batham marking, shittier cqc mechanics and fights that you could barely consider as Bosses.

>>382692682
Not alone but if you enjoys souls then yeah

>>382691169
>well put. i got a 100% save to unlock everything, turned off in-game markers and indicators, turned off reflex, play without tranqs or silencers or buddies or any other overpoweredi items. I got infinite heaven, side ops mod, 'can't believe it's not reshade' mod and zero GMP deployment, and just play it like a proper stealth game, and if I fuck up, i keep playing and using guerrilla tactics to finish the objective

I've beat the game 100%, no mods, mostly turned everything off as time went on. What do I gain in terms of things to accomplish with those mods? I like fucking around just as much as the next guy, but I would like at least to have some things to check off the list, while fucking around.

>>382687560
MGS4 plays like a MGS game. MGSV plays like a Ubisoft game.

MGS4 at least makes me feel something. Even if a lot of it is anger of how shitty the writing is. MGSV gives me no emotions what so ever. It just exists, even though it have no reason to exist.

>>382687864
Yeah, MGS4 was a fucking roller coaster ride of the greatest proportions.

I actually broke out in tears after the end credits the first time because of the mental toll the game + hype cycle had on me.

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>favourite game series is MGS
>Get MGS5
>favourite cartoon is Samurai Jack
>Get Season 5
>They both end up sucking towards the end even though the trailers, hype, and prologues were great.
I'm pretty sure I'm being mocked.

>>382692838
i could be dead in 3 years

>tfw I haven't played a MGS game since TTP came out because it killed almost all wonder I had for the series

I'm getting the stirrings back again though. Think I'm gonna play through MGS1 and see if some of the magic is back.

>>382687560
MGS5 is better. The game running at 15fps in action scenes makes 4 just horrible to play.

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>people saying MGS 4 is good
What the fuck happened

>>382692867
>expects all weapons to be "useful" based on his own arbitrary conditions
every weapon is useful in its own right. there's way more variety in V than 4

>>382693125
main outposts (like the bigger outposts used for main missions) were pretty well designed, especially without wallhacks etc
>Batham marking
see, you're fucking yourself over. there were plenty of 'casual' features implemented, but surprisingly they were NOT thought of during the actual design of the game and thus don't affect the level design or anything. again, turn the wallhacks off and the game will be a way better experience

i personally prefer V's CQC to 4's, but as far as story and bosses, you're right, but then again 4's story and bosses were trash, but their mere 'presence' in an MGS "format" is enough, I guess

>>382694409
Regardless of people bitching about the story, the actual gameplay was 10/10 like in all of the other MGS games. I don't see how anybody could deny that.

>>382688139
>5 is a good game, but not a good MGS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4goJID2X9U

>>382687560
They are both shit open world shit vs cinematic movie shit now eat your shit

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>>382694409
Zelda cycle

>>382693379
infinite heaven lets you change a lot of in-game stuff, like soldiers patrolling motherbase, soldier conditions out in the field, soldier 'preparations' (helmets, etc), random encounters, snake's health, demon points, just A LOT of things like that. it's the most popular mod for the game, but what I like most is that you can deploy without primary or secondary weapons. usually I just take an unsilenced pistol along with a few items

side ops mod requires infinite heaven and adds like 50 side ops to the game that are actually kinda cool. they're set in enemy outposts, so there will be something like "kill the mujahideen POWs" and you have to find them within the outpost and soldiers interrogated will not reveal their location. there's a tiny bit of flavor text to every op

>mostly turned everything off
curious, what stuff do you have on?

>>382694409
There was nothing really wrong with MGS4. People say it didn't have gameplay but it did, it was just not enough "sneaking" with human enemies. Act 1 and 2 which are the biggest and longest acts give you that. Act 3 had sneaking but it was a different kind where you had to fallow the npc while you do it and then it goes into a on rails segment. Act 4 had sneaking too but it was with gekkos and the little robots bastards. Act5 didn't really had much gameplay tho. Still the reason why people give MGS4 shit is because there wasn't enough gun faggots.

>>382687560
MGS4 is a better Metal Gear Solid game.
MGSV is a better game.

>>382694409
MGS PW and TPP came out and showed it how much worse it could get.

Why couldn't we just have gotten GZ but an actual game? That could have been the ultimate MGS game. Not fucking Metal Gear Farcry: Copy Paste Edition

>>382694569
All 5 minutes of it, sure.

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The only way MGS4 has any sort of merit is if you interpret it as some kind of meta-piece on people's obession with fan-service and answers. It literally only works if you approach it as if its supposed to be shit and consider the fact that it was a game Kojima hated making.

At least MGSV had some fun gameplay and somewhat interesting themes.

>>382694569
>the actual gameplay
If you ignore how terrible the pacing is because of the cutscenes. Or the shitty on-rails action set-pieces. Or having to sneak against those fucking dwarf gekko at Shadow Moses instead of fun humanoids. Oh also the microwave hallway.

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MGS4 was just too deep for the kids here on /v/.

>>382695049
>"It's a good game, just not a good (franchise) game!"
Shit 13 year olds say because they think it makes them sound smart.

>>382695107
1, you don't actually know if Kojima hated making 4.
2, who gives a shit how he feels, you kojima fag.

>>382695107
>merit
>MGS2 was deja vu disappointing shit on purpose
>MGS4 was shit fan service on purpose
>MGS5 was unfinished phantom pain on purpose
wow, so this...is the power...of H I D E O

>oh shit big boss is alive
>does a 90 min powerpoint presentation and completely ruins the mood
MGS4 is full of this shit.

>>382695483
>referencing older works = "deep"
Fucking hell, you're basic.

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>>382695483
>viewing a failed filmmaker fraud's unintentionally shitty work as """""""""""""deep""""""""""""""

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>>382695817
>>oh shit big boss is ishmael
>>does a repeat of the first mission(because MGSV didn't have enough recycled mission already) and completely ruins the mood
Yeah, MGSV is so much better.

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>>382695817
This, MGSV is clearly the better game, both gameplay and plot wise.

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Remember to laugh at MGSVfags when they shit on anything story wise from MGS4.

>>382694569
Nah, the gameplay is shit in MGS4 too.

People complain about poor balance in MGSV but it's even worse in MGS4. Running and gunning is hilariously OP because MGS4 is built on the MGS3 engine with TPS controls slapped on top. You can also cheese with healing items way too well. Not to mention the shitty nanomachine alert system and how everyone guns for you in a fucking warzone if spotted. All MGS4 gameplay has is a bunch of "cool stuff" like octocamo, which is neats but really adds very little to the experience. MGSV took great strides into making the franchise a more well-rounded stealth game.

mgs4 was never good

>>382696426
>and how everyone guns for you in a fucking warzone if spotted
This was the dumbest thing about MGS4's gameplay. Being "spotted" and triggering an alert phase in the middle of a huge all-out firefight. I don't understand how that made it through testing.

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>>382696379
And don't understand why people hate this scene so much, what did you want Venom to say? "Skull Face you are a rascal, please don't sell nukes"? Also ignoring someone is always the best way to piss him off.

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>>382687864
>>382687965
>the best posts are the first two

>>382694409
Well, it's true. Venom didn't care about Quiet, so 4 is better.

>>382696792
By not running around like a idiot?

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>>382690559
>"Metal Gear Solid 4 is Kingdom Hearts minus the Disney and Final Fantasy."

I didn't read the rest of all that but that line is accurate.

>>382687965
>MGS 4 actively shits on the series
Some people aren't autistic and don't give give a shit if they made certain characters more relevant.

I still can't believe people fell for the hype after pw and 4, those games put me off so much that i completely ignored the NUCLEAR hype.

>>382697345
>deflecting this hard

He's right, the alert system in MGS4 sucks ass, deal with it fag.

>>382697780
There's nothing wrong with it and makes sense.

>>382697713
MGSV is Kojima's best game since MGS3.

>>382697345
>massive battle between Middle Eastern forces and American PMCs
>tanks, geckos, RPG fire and chaos everywhere
>sneaky Mr. Snake appears
>"ENEMY SPOTTED!!"
>all focus turned to ONE FUCKING GUY

The other guy's right and you know it. You couldn't even manage to form a counter argument. Give it up.

>>382698387
By best do you really mean worst? Even Peace Walker is better and that game was made for Monster hunter shitters.

>>382698775
How is PW better than MGSV? MGSV is PW but with better level design and more gadgets to mess with.

>>382698292
Yeah, you're right; having nanomachines simply ruin the story and not the gameplay as well wouldn't make any sense.

Might as well be consistent.

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>>382698387
Ground Zeroes* is Kojima's best game since MGS3.

Fixed.

>>382698775
That's not even true. Peace Walker was an achievement as a portable game and I even appreciated it as somebody who prefers the original trilogy, but MGSV was a better game over all simply because Peace Walker didn't have basic mechanics like crawling. This is a silly statement.

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>>382698771
>What are disguises.
>What is the fact that if you ran out on a warzone enemies wouldn't try killing you especially when Snake is not part of either group in the war.
>What is that you are playing a stealth game and therefore should be penalized by alerts
Seriously are you stupid? .

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MGS4 is capeshit tier of fanservice while MGSV is Sergio Leone tier of cinematography.

>>382699246
>when Snake is not part of either group in the war.

>implying the American PMCs know that

Based on the AI interactions, the Middle Eastern Forces know that, not the PMCs. That's why Snake can ally with them and not the PMCs.

Once again, this isn't about being caught or not, this is the fact that the gameplay setup for the AI is retarded. One guy in the midst of a major skirmish wouldn't be singled out in reality. You're either an idiot for defending this or shitposting. Don't even bother responding.

>>382699457
>shakycam
i dislike mgs4 too but come on

>>382688903
And Voices is pretty good map if you listen to the all guard dialogues.

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>>382699204
>Ground Zeroes* is Kojima's best game since MGS3.
This. GZ is great. Too bad TPP was so much shittier than it. I still go back and play GZ and just amazed how much better it is compared to TPP. More mission variety, more intense sneaking, no shitting grinding, or overpowered mechanics.
>>382699457
Awesome buzzwords, fag.

4 wayyyy better story
5 has better gameplay but 4 was the best gameplay at the time

>>382700034
>More mission variety, more intense sneaking, no shitting grinding, or overpowered mechanics.

You also forgot the most important reason why GZ was good: the level design was god tier.

>>382699867
Not him but the cinematography in MGSV was absolutely stellar.

The fact that they managed to make dynamic cutscene affected by time of day look this good is mindblowing.

>>382699829
It's a game dude. That some crazy autistic nitpicking. It a stealth game. Avoiding people is always the cause. There's no difference in approach than any other MGS, and you can wear a disguise if you really want to fight on one side.

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2008 was a strange year for video games.

GTA IV & MGS IV were developed during the mid 2000 boom years and the developers went in a melancholic direction to go "against the grain". GTA IV is famous for its muted atmosphere and desaturated graphics, and MGS IV features a Solid Snake decaying before the player's eyes.

Problem is, both games were released right when the global economy was about to roll over and enter deep recession, so the stylistic choice of each doubled down on the general gloom that everyone was feeling.

I always try going back to mgs4 then i reach that tailing mission and completely give up because of tedium.

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>>382700278
It's really sad that in all of TPP there isn't one base that is as well design as Camp Omega. MGS died with Chico in that helicopter "crash"

>>382692334
>V also has great weapon customization and plenty of weapons


You have to grind for better R&D soldiers to even get to customize your weapons

In 4 you just need the Drebin Points and you can start customizing as you please

No waiting and you can start playing immediately. Unlike V where you have to wait to even get a better version of the same weapon you have

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>>382700375
You truly are dense. I'm done.

>>382691342
>having the ability to have people fight along side you
wtf is this shit? snake flies solo
plus on MGSV you get a companion

>>382700375
>Dude it's just a game.
>Stop being autistic.

So basically you can't refute any of his points.

You should probably pick your fights better, because arguing with somebody and then just shrugging your shoulders makes you look like a total dumbass.

>>382700876
You only have to do 2-3 side ops, you fucking liar.

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>>382700835
>MGS died with Chico in that helicopter "crash"

Nah, while GZ was a great MGS entry, Snake Eater was when MGS really ended.

>>382700034
Why are so many people saying GZ is better than TPP?
GZ is the unpolished/unfinished version of TPP. It reuses the same map for every mission and has the same type of missions as TPP.

>>382687864
This. MGS4 didn't impress me too much for the most part but Shadow Moses was fucking beautiful.

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>>382701273
His points were complaints that it's bullshit that people alert him in a stealth game, so sure.

>>382696910
The only thing actually wrong with the jeep ride was it playing 'Sins of the Father'. Had it faded to black after Skull Face finished talking and then just cut to you pulling into the cave behind the power plant it would have been fine. Like in Where do the Bees Sleep, I like that Venom just refuses to acknowledge Skull Face by speaking to him.

>>382701430
>Why are so many people saying GZ is better than TPP?
Because it makes them feel like special snowflakes.

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I don't get the hate for MGS4 ever since its release
>gave me the fanservice i wanted
>pretty good story and gameplay
>Old Snake is pretty nicely portrayed as a grizzled veteran
I didn't find Johnny as annoying cause maybe i'm dull to the usual gook slapstick humor and Act 3 wasn't nearly as dull as everyone says it was, it takes about 30mins to get it all done.

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>>382701430
MGSVGZ felt like it it took the good from PW and add refinement. It also had the perfect amount of difficulty and great level design. TPP is a step backwards to more PW elements and shittier level design. Also the mission tasks had more variety.

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>>382701650
Yes, i ironically invested all this time in GZ just to spite you fags on /v/

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>>382701540
>losing the argument and can't counter it
>better re-imagine what was being argued!

>>382701540
>His points were complaints that it's bullshit that people alert him in a stealth game

Verbatim.

>>382701953
see >>382690559

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>>382701160
>he didnt side with the rebels for the fun of it
wew, MGS games have more than one way of play you know!

>>382691342
>reflex mode
>wall hacks
>no radar
Are you retarded ?

>>382702190
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions
do you really expect me to read all that shit

>>382702192
Unless you bring that up in MGSV. Then all the autismos start spewing their mental acrobatics all over the screen.

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>>382702025
>>382702169
Explain how it wasn't

>>382695483
I totally agree, the slander against one of the most kino pieces of media out there makes me realise the children that I share this board with.

>>382702345
I didn't. We're on /v/. People hate reading.

>>382702538
gun make bang
people make see
but in war lot of gun make bang
lot of people see
so one gun not make much bang
one person not make much see

>>382701964
I never played PW. I just found out it was on ps3 the other day, I've been thinking about picking it up.

>>382702015
i have nearly 400 hours on tpp

>>382703354
He's gonna struggle comprehending that too, but I would have just given it up. He's shitposting.

>>382699457
This

>>382702390
>has a personal army
>cant use it
its peacewalker lite

>>382702209
read a nook nigger

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>>382703354
If it didn't alert, than it wouldn't be a very good stealth game.

You can't use logic in a game. In MGSV when one person sees you everyone sees you even if you are in area away for their sight. You see the war aspect was always about having "no place to hide". That's why they both attack you. Did you miss the whole trailers leading up for MGS4? That was the point.

>>382701631
they needed another ladder scene, with the song playing. it even mirrors snake eater a little bit (what a thrill/words that kill).

>>382704624
>In MGSV when one person sees you everyone sees you even if you are in area away for their sight.

No they don't, they shout CONTACT, and if you shoot them before that happens you cancel the alert, reflex or not. It also only affects the nearby surrounding, if they want reinforcement from another outpost they actually need to call it in.

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>>382704624
>continuing to distort the original argument with hamfisted explanations

>>382705128
Just stop responding to him. He's not here to discuss, he's deflecting.

Can both titles just go and stay go?
Also Portable Ops and Peace Walker can go aswell.

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>>382705128
>It also only affects the nearby surrounding, if they want reinforcement from another outpost they actually need to call it in.
Nope they whole area goes on alert and head to your direction but nice try. Also good job avoiding the aspect of the war sneaking of MGS4. Which was your whole problem in first place. It was always suppose to be about having no place to hide even back when Kojima brought it up in 2005. But you were probably too young to remember the days leading up to MGS4.