How do you build a gaming pc in the age of bitcoiners?

>>382679360
Those two things have no relation to each other at all.

>>382679360

by not being a poorfag and buying a 1080 instead of a 1070

>>382679593
are you a retard

>>382679360
Proceed to build a PC as usual but without a GPU.
Then find a second hand GPU and try to lowball it.

Why the fuck are you even asking this?

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>>382679360
>post yfw shillcoins start to actually be worth something, and then banks realize that they're losing money and get governments all over the world to SHUT IT DOWN, thus making all these shills completely broke overnight

Wait a couple months. The prices will go down again soon.
Investing in coin mining this late is fucking retarded and a lot of people will have massive losses. Laugh at their misfortune while you dont have a gpu.

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>>382679360
>tfw bought a gaming pc just before the prices went to space

Just wait™ for Vega™

>>382679360
I dont, which is bad because my gpu might be on its way out.

>>382679360

It's literally as simple as buying nvidia. Anyone with half a brain knows that nvidia cards can't even hold a candle to AMD cards in terms on mining power to due their architecture. There is no self respecting miner using nvidia.

As a result there is an abundance of nvidia cards opposed to all the taken AMD cards.

>>382680375

>Inb4 but nvidia are more powerful

Yes, they are. It's just AMD cards are better for mining.

Intel iGPU will allow you to play many games comfortably as long as they aren't graphical behemoth.

EDF 4.1 is completely playable on skylake chips

>>382680375
1070s are all sold out and 1060s are being sold for a 200% markup.

>>382680091
This, the whole bitcoin thing will hit the wall hard when it actually starts taking money out of the pockets of the rich.

Any miner worth a salt uses FPGAs anyways. If you're buying a card for mining you WILL lose money because you can't compete.

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>tfw my tech illiterate mother just discovered about crytpocurrency

Old people should be banned from technology desu

>>382680585

Considering nvidias success as it is it would not surprise me if nvidia would try capitalise on the current trend by creating an artificial scarcity just for a reason to bump up their prices higher than they already are.

On top of this the craze in coin mining has likely created a wave of miss informed noobies who don't understand these things and are just buying any GPU Willy nilly.

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>>382680216
>tfw bought 1070 before the prices skyrocketed

A bubble like this is going to burst in a big way

>>382680830
>>382680801
>>382680375
>Implying 90% of the people trying to make those mining rigs have a clue about what they are doing.

>>382680216
Same here so happy

I'm starting to think I should sell my 390. Could probably get considerably more than I payed on it, and most of the games that I do play these days run on my laptop anyway.

>>382681236
>payed

I can guarantee you didn't do that when you purchased it.

>>382681115
this. this mining shit is going to crash hard as fuck

>>382680928
Well, supposedly amd and Nvidia are making mining only gpus.

Wait till the prices go down the current cards are all mediocre anyway.

>>382681651
>>382681115
The value of the coin might not crash, bitcoin still going strong for almost a decade now.
But the mining thing? Yes, it will, and it will soon. It was made to crash, block difficulty will always get harder.

>>382681879
>The value of the coin might not crash,

Banks are already making their own blockchains, it's only a matter of time.

>bitcoin still going strong for almost a decade now.

The Stone Age didn't end for lack of stone.

Pretty sure the Chinks control enough of the network to royally fuck it up whenever they want.

>>382679360
By buying top-end cards that aren't efficient price/performance for mining

It's really not a gaming PC with a mid-range card anyway. It's just a PC

>>382681430
I guess that's a sign that I need to take a nap.

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>>382680091
>Their face when they make crypto mining illegal without an expensive as fuck permit that you have to renew monthly and enforce heavy taxes on all cryptocurrency transactions

>>382680101
>investing in coin mining this late in this cycle
FTFY
It happened before, it'll happen again. But I agree, right now is not a good time to get into mining. It might be a good time to invest, however, since BTC is currently going through a crash.

>>382680216
>bought 1070 just before prices spiked

>>382682386
>since BTC is currently going through a crash.

Literally every time you see the shilling start in earnest is when its crashing.

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just buy a prebuilt, and upgrade it later

i really want it to crash and have these miners left with 10s of thousands of dollars wasted

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>>382683283
>just buy a prebuilt

>>382679360
>Buy new AMD RX400/500series
>Sell with huge mark-up
>Methheads still buy them
>Buy another one
Rinse repeat

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>>382680216
>tfw
Considering I only build a PC once every 6-7 years, that's suck a dangerous bullet to dodge.
Feels great to play everything at 60fps

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>>382683623
>did so for two generations of games
>the custom one dies in less than a year

Yeah build your own if you want to face a wall of unnecessary IT work. I'll be over here, being superior.

>>382682004
>The Stone Age didn't end for lack of stone
That's a good adage. I'll have to remember that.

>>382684417
>unnecessary IT work

jej

>>382682004
>Banks are already making their own blockchains
They already have that it's called a ledger.

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>>382684417

>unnecessary IT work
>taking 30 minutes to install the drivers is all you have to do

0/10

>>382684417

>The custom one dies in less then a year

So YOU fucked up and didn't put it together correctly.
Lol
"I'll be over here, being superior"
And the grand majority of people who have custom computers will be over here, having spent way less money, with a machine that's 3x more powerful and will last at least 4 years longer then yours.

>>382684417
I never bought a prebuilt in my life, and never had a computer die on me either. I only upgraded them after like 6 good years because they were getting outdated.

Learn how not to be a retard before blaming everything else for your lack of mental capacity.

>>382684417
If you're too retarded to build your own pc, just stick to consoles.

>>382680216
tfw bought a 1060 on black Friday

>>382684417
There's no way the entire thing would die at the same time.

>>382684661
If you're too lazy to do that you can just get something like driver booster and it'll find and update all of your drivers for you.

crypto mining and gpus arent even in the same realm anymore

>>382680585
>200% markup

At that point, you may as well buy a fucking 1080.

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>the card I bought 4 months ago (RX 480 4GB) has doubled in price on Newegg
>it's not even in stock
>people are actually buying it at that price

>>382687524
Thats the same for the 1080 you dumbass.
Holy shit you think you are the first one who got this idea?
Have you guys been in school?

>>382680585

What bout the 1050/900 series?

>>382686863
>He doesn't know about etherium miners.

>>382679796
I'm not him, but I don't see the correlation either? I will also admit I don't know much about bitcoin.

>>382680091
implying thats not what the devs intended and are just riding the waves and cashing out before the big dip

Bitcoin is ez money if you know when to pull out

>going long on bitcoin

>>382688054
People are buying up GPUs right now to mine a cryptocurrency called etherium.

So many of them that it effectively trashed the gpu market.

The 1060 I've been eyeing the past few months has gone up to like 900 dollars.
I sincerely hope no one actually buys it at that price.

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>>382687873
Did the prices skyrocket before Christmas last year? Because as far as I know, 1080's have been in the $500-600 range since they released.

I've been living under a rock, so I have no idea how the fuck cryptocurrency impacted the price of my hardware.

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>tfw I made $3k off of cryptocurrency

I'm okay with these higher GPU prices

I'm still somewhat sad because there was a point that I was up 20k

>>382688024
Just look at the prices for 980 Tis on Amazon and Newegg.

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>>382688430
>cheapest 980ti is more expensive than my $600 1080

What the fuck did I miss and how do I get on this gravy train?

>>382679692
you can get a 1080 for the same if not cheaper price than a 1060 right now

>>382688241
Am I being rused?

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>>382684417

You either buy before the shitstorm or afterwards

In some time the market is going to get flooded with used GPUs. You could risk getting a good deal on them if you found some retard that didn't know what he was doing
And like >>382681158 said, there's loads of people like that

>>382688937
It's actually true
People are buying so many that there isn't enough supply

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>tfw got 980 ti before all this bitcoin shit
>mfw those prices for new ones

>>382688937

He ain't bullshitting you. Typically you use your GPU to 'mine' cryptocurrencies, and many people make GPU farms to mine lots of crypto

Using the example of Etherium, the price for one coin was ~$11.50 per in February. There was a point in the last month where it crested nearly $400 per

>>382688430

I see some used ones on CL in my area around the ballpark of $200-$250. How risky is buying a pre-owned card?

>>382688937
Go to your favorite shop and check the GPU prices for yourself m8

All this shit with miners makes me almost satisfied with my Fury, too bad doing anything with it is like playing vidya on Mercury

Should I sell my 280x to a bit coin miner?

It must suck to not live by a bunch of fry's and a microcenter

>>382689538
Kek, I think you're pretty late on that train anon
But if someone is retarded enough, go ahead

>>382689538
if you've got some backup until this shit crashes and you can buy a new one, yes.

>>382690673

If a true crash is happening it'll happen near August 1st, I don't suspect a crash is really gonna happen though

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For someone who is thinking of upgrading their computer soon, what advice would you give them given all this price jacking? Any card recommendations or just wait? I was thinking of settling for a 1060 but I'm not sure.

>>382690845

Just wait

>>382690794
Not an actual crash, but this fad will die down sooner or later. At this point it already isn't worth buying a card for mining anymore. Wait for the market to be flooded with loads of second hand cards.
Also, beware of those second hand cards because they've been running 24/7

>>382691097
>Not an actual crash, but this fad will die down sooner or later.

That I will definitely agree with. There's no chance all these amateur miners will be able to compete with all the Chinese farms out there

>>382690845
Vega

Here is my forecast for the years to come.

>gpu price skyrockets <already happened
>gpu company make lot's of money and bitcoin miner ask for stronger cards so they can make more money
>gpu company go where the money is at so they make better gpu
>jews decide to crash the bitcoin market because jews
>we have stronger gpu than ever but nobody to buy them because the demand stopped so you can get a pretty decent gpu for pennies

>>382691457
The markup isn't happening at the manufacturer level.

>>382691457
Not gonna happen. They're already starting to make GPUs for miners, they're the same shit but they don't have video out ports.

>>382679593
/v/.../v/ finds a way.

>>382689292
Depends what they were being used for.

Bench tester, you're probably fine.

Crypto mining... I wouldn't.

>>382680216

You would have been better off just buying a new gpu since cpu performance has been roughly the same since sandy bridge. Hopefully this is your first build.

What's this all about? You get money from decrypting an encryption chain somehow? And you need a 3D GPU to do it? Why?

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>>382679360
>more cost-effective to buy a pre-built right now
Where did it go so wrong.

>>382688937
www.google.com

>>382692043
It's basically the scam that was being run in office space, but on a global scale with digital currency and it's totally legal.

You can get money from decrypting the Satoshis (billionth of a bitcoin) out f transaction logs and mining pools.

A 3D GPU can do it fucking fast as shit. That's literally the only reason. GPUs are way faster than CPUs.

>>382690845
Just wait. I've been looking at upgrading my computer for the past few months, and this GPU price increase just gives me more time to research.

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>1060 costs more than a 1080ti

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>wait for rx 580
>get enough money to buy it
>it's gone
My 760 still can run everything i can play but i really wanted that 580

>crying about all the shit budget cards being snatched up
you shouldnt be building a gaming pc if you cant afford to go to the high end

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>According to this calculator this gives you a whooping 0.00000629 BTC per day. Which means it would take about 435 years to mine a single bitcoin. And that computation is not even worth anything because it assumes that the difficulty will remain constant, which it won't.
That's a report from 2014. Encryption has undoubtedly gotten more complicated by orders of magnitudes since.
>More realistically, it means that in 1 month you would produce 0.00019130 BTC which (at the current market rate of about 350$/BTC) is about 0.07$. Leaving your rig up and running continuously for 1 month will cost you much more that 0.07$ in electricity.
So it's not even break even. Why the fuck waste the money?

>>382693050
>2017
>Not running a bitminer in the background on your work PC

It's free money, even if it's just pennies.

>>382693050
because theyre mining etherium not bitcoin, less difficult for now

>>382693023
The high end cards have increased in price too, mr. Richie Rich.

>>382680375
You can mine certain popular shit with cuda cores now, so 6gb 1060 models and all 1070s are either pera-out of stock or on 300% markup.

>>382693315
1080 prices have barely budged

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>>382684417
>they actually took the bait
>with gusto

>>382690845
Just wait, after they get more in stock it will be alright.

>>382693576
They increased by 50% where I live. Shit costs over a thousand dollars now. I guess if you can buy one for a less retarded price, it's the perfect time to.

>>382693198
When it becomes difficult a new "bitcoin" will replace this one too. I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia owned a bunch of the cryptocurrency shill websites.

>>382693050
You do it in China where electricity is cheap

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>>382679360
>tfw I'm working 18 hours per day, earning my cash honestly
This is gonna sound selfish, but I really wish all those shady methods stopped existing, and literally everyone would have to do actual work.

>>382693976
>I'm a wage slave
>I wish everybody would suffer too

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>wanted a gaming pc since for fucking years
>finally have enough income for one
>the prices skyrocket
MFW

>>382693171
>Cost of electricity
>Cost of burning out your gpu quicker

I bet you think delivering pizzas in a car that you make payments on is nothing but profit too lmao.

>>382694052
Same here, man. Only have a laptop that was mediocre when I bought it 6 years ago. Now it's barely holding together.

>>382693976
>18 hours
You might as well not even be alive at that point, but I'm sure Mr Goldwater appreciates your work ethic regardless.

>>382693976
How have you not killed yourself already?

>>382694181
>>382694052
Just wait a couple of months.

I've been wanting to do a mini itx build for my living room but fuck I don't want to buy another 1080 now that the price has doubled from when I bought mine I just wanted a shit 1060 or 1060 for 1080p shit boxing with friends.

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>>382684417
Lol wtf, how incompetent do you have to be fuck up this bad?

My computer was built when the 2500k was brand new and the only things I've had to change were the GPUs to keep it up to date and the only maintenance I've ever had to do was remove dust and fix the door on my case when temperature fluctuations warped it.

>>382679360
WHY DONT AMD AND NVIDIA JUST MAKE FUCKING AI/COMPUTATION CARDS SO ALL THESE MINERS CAN JUST FUCK OFF

>>382694021
More like
>I wish everybody would have to contribute something instead of exploiting the system

>>382694219
>>382694314
Eh, I live for small pleasures - a good video game every year or so, a good TV series or something. I can probably shed 50% of work time and still have enough to live on, but honestly, I'd probably get bored quickly.

>>382694052
Only low end cards have had their prices go nuts. Save up a few more hundred dollars and get a top end card. It will last you longer anyway.

>>382694052
>finally have a gaming PC
>don't have the passion for gaming anymore
>play for 20-30 mins and get bored

I just do casual browsing now and post on here. I've spent more money on online courses for random shit that catches my eye than on games this year.

>>382694152
I'm not paying for the electricity and I didn't buy the computer.

I don't run it on my home PC.

>>382694504

NVIDIA is developing those right now

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>>382679360
>Spent the past few months trying to compile a few different potential builds
>Will probably have to skimp on the GPU a bit because of bastard miners

>>382694524
More likely than not the people you're working for are exploiting the system in their own ways.

>>382694524
>exploiting the system
You're the one being exploited, m8
>I'd be bored if I wasn't working
wake up, bro

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>>382690951
>>382692525
>>382693714
Alright, think you guys have the right idea here, thanks. This is something else.

>>382694524
Read a book.

>>382679360
RX 460 2GB

>>382694524
how many days a week do you work?
because with a regular 40 hour week you'd work for about 2.2 days

>>382695026
5 on official work, 6 hours per day + a lot of time on side job, doing translations. Fucking 44" TV episode can have twice as many spoken lines as 90" movie.

>>382694919
I haven't read books in years.

>>382679360
nobody uses gpus to mine bitcoin since 2014 or so. this is because of eth now

>>382695296
are you happy with your life?

>>382694619
... what pc do you run it on?

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I can't find a single, reasonably priced 1070 for sale AT ALL. Hell, even the Minis are out of stock.

>wanted to build gaming PC with some cheap GPU for atleast year
>finally start working last month
>see this thread
Y-you are all joking r-right? This is all falseflag right?

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As a proud member of the PC Master Race® for over 13 years, I now lay down my sword and surrender my clicky keys before the cost effective superiority of the XbOneX.

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>Build top of the line watercooled number cruncher
>Overclock it to within an inch of its life
>Only play 10 year old games and the occasional indie game

>>382679360
You wait a few weeks for the difficult rise.
4GB GPUs are RIP for eth very soon.

>>382695593
No, but I honestly don't see many ways of improving it. Even if I suddenly became super rich, I doubt I'd be much happier. I want to work on improving humanity as a whole, but realize that it's nigh impossible

>>382695412
are you retarded or ignorant?

>>382679360
go low end or just wait tm.

>>382695920

Hey at least you play games

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>>382695920
so cuteeeeeeeee

>tfw no qt asian gf

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Don't worry goys. This shitty trend will end soon.

>>382680091
pretty sure something like this will happen eventually

>people who only found out about bitcoin during the last 3 years

those fags will crash the hardest

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>>382696019
regnorant

>Even Maxwell prices are rising on ebay
Wasn't Maxwell supposed to be useless for mining?

>>382696402
For the most part, yes.
But since noone can buy GPUs for gaming, they're increasing in price simply because they're in demand.

If you're wanting to sell Maxwell, do it NOW.
3/4GB GPUs are about to crash, which means lots of cheap 1060/RX470/570/480/580

>>382696402
>miners buy the cards and drive prices upwards
>people start looking for alternatives
>the demand makes the prices rise too
At least that's what I think happened.

>>382688430
I have a 980ti who would buy it from me instead of just getting a 1080?

So what's the deal with 1080's that makes them a poor crypto card? I see all of these 900-series cards that are going for fucking $800, but the cheapest 1080 is still ~$600.

>>382695869
Nope. Truly, cryptoniggers are worse than Hitler.

>>382680091
>>382680642
>>382682369
>implying you can make something illegal, when you cant even track it

lul

>>382695989
I'd normally go on about quitting your second(or first job whatever makes you more unhappy) but you probably heard all this before, so I'll just be a philiosophy-fag and quote Epictetus:
"Wealth consists not in having great possessions, but in having few wants."

Get a flat that is big enough for you, but doesn't cost you too much. Pursue some hobbies. Spend time with friends and family. Spend money on stuff that makes you happy.
After you balanced out your life you can improve society simply by being a nice dude. Greet your neighbours. Offer old people a seat in the train/bus. Buy a black-coffee for the completely wasted guy in the club to give him a chance to find his way back home before he blacks out. Fuck the fat girl. You get what I'm saying.
Didn't Kreia from Kotor2 say something like "the slightest push, the smallest touch, sends echoes throughout life"
I wager that this applies to real life too. You'll still encounter an awful lot of assholes, but if you stick to simply being a nice dude that does lots of tiny little things you'll live a happy life.
I apologize for this massive amount of moral-wannabe-faggotry, but you seem like a nice dude having some kind of existential-crisis

>only jews can save now PC gaming.
Oh in what a strange time we are living

>>382696961
>my market is better than yours
No.
However the GPU manufacturers do need to deal with this, by either seperating the markets somehow or they'll find themselves outmanoeuvred by a third party(Intel or S3, both can reenter the fray at whim(money), they don't need to license dick, since they already do)
If nVidia and AMD can't supply the gaming market with GPUs, someone else will make a GPU that works well for Vidya but is terrible for compute.
Don't forget, while Mining is the main culprit, Machine Learning is buying out the market too.

Has this bitcoin thing been around for long? Can I make good money with it?

>>382697737
High investment for the potential of a good return

It's sort of like growing weed, don't bank on it being your main moneymaker unless you have some serious cash to put down for startup.

>>382697737
not anymore
let's just say it was about 290353906827569823476times easier to earn a bitcoin a couple of years ago. 1bitcoin(no matter the age) is worth the same

>>382679360
With real money you NEET fuck.

>>382697737
it recently hit a bubble, it may hit another one who knows, its 50/50 at this point. might lose all your money and be worth trash, or might go up another 1000% in a few years.

>>382697737
Yes, but no.
You need to be in the loop and you're clearly not.

Bitcoin is 'dead' for mining.
Eth is 'dying'.
The NXTCoin is privvy.

>>382680091
>tfw I will have to use bitcoins to hire assassins because I can't buy any commodities except drugs

>>382697737

If you'd have put $1k into BTC in late 2010 you'd be a literal multimillionaire right now. Right now who knows, but I'm confident BTC is gonna keep going up in the long run (it'll probably dips for a bit though and stay around there)

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>>382698116
So basically it's a game of "lurk /biz/ all day to see what's worth dropping money on"?

>>382680091
>dollar becomes as worthless because the bubble Obama was propping burts
>anyone will care about money about money at that point
weapons is the only way to go

>>382694504
>release card for mining
>sold out
>miners flock to gaming cards
>sold out too

>>382680101
>Wait a couple months. The prices will go down again soon.
They won't. GPUs sell at inflated prices too.
Mining craze just set new pricing standards,
these will stick.
In the future, midrange GPUs will cost $600, high-end cards $1000, low-end $400.
Regardless of mining.
Because PCobeses have nowhere to go.
Tey will open their wallets and eat it up.

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Are Kaby Lake CPUs only compatible with Win 10?

>>382698495
>weapons
>not owning the water supply

>>382698492
Yes.
That's really most of investment ever.

Lurk <insert place here> all day to see what's worth dropping money on.

>>382698381
>>382698116
>>382698107
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>>382698049
Okay, thanks for the info. Man, how do you people find out about this sort of neat stuff?

>>382698705
>>382698492
Remember that some of the first undersea cable networks were for both Military and Stock Exchanges/Banking.
Lurking around some shitty information system or people has been the way of investing forever.

Methods change, the way of hearing about methods doesn't.

>>382698631
you can always install GNU/Linux

>>382698631
Only if you're retarded.

>>382698631
Without 'cracks' for Win7/8.1 you actually won't get updates.
Previously, you just wouldn't get specific optimizations (CPUs don't need drivers, but things can be optimized for a certain CPU)but now MS is stopping updates based on CPUID which is retarded.

As >>382699087 you can always try GNU/Linux, Linux, BSD, etc.

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I built a PC with these specs about 8 months ago, is it worth it to get into mining?

>>382699548
u need like 10 dedicated pc's for mining lol

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>>382694524

>He thinks he's contributing by buying into a system that uses skinner box psychology to make you feel like you're useful and doing something for society when in reality he's an endentured slave.

>>382699548
No.

>>382697059
it's easier than you think.
1) Block the protocol used to process blockchains at the ISP level, preventing mining or funds transfers.
2) Block the same at the DNS level, preventing mining or funds transfers.
3) Poison the blockchain with a cluster, grinding all payment processing to a halt, and preventing verification of valid blockchains.

>pc mustards always leave out this fact when trying to convince you not to get a pro xbone x

>>382688241
How does mining cryptocurrency work?

You just set up expensive computers and they generate money for you? The fuck?

>>382700024
Right well a common argument against PC, irrelevant as it is, but still a deterrent, is that good PCs are more expensive

But if you thought just a good PC was expensive, you'd be stunned at what you'd need to set up a cryptocurrency farm

>>382700045
They process math computations to verify funds transfers, and this occasionally generates a "coin" by stumbling upon a magic hash to crack the encryption of the chain.

Its distributed computing, so multiple people compete for the same key, or they band together and split the "coin" when and if they find it.

>>382699548
Lol fuuuuuck no not even close

>>382698573
I fear that this is how it's going to go.

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Ethereum miners are pure cancer. Really, cryptocurrency miners are all degenerates, but ETH especially.
I check youtube one day and all I see are fucking livestreams of ETH miners giving away "totally working" GPUs they traded out from their farm
Why the fuck has it gotten so big? And I still don't understand why Bitcoin suddenly became so popular when its existed since fucking 2010. Even /biz/ used to say it was shit.

>>382679360

It will crash again hard. It is a matter of when. Fleabay and used market will be flooded with "lightly" used GPU at fire basement prices.

The only winners in the whole Cryptocurrency Maina are earlier miners, resellers and electric companies.

I just want to know what the hell are the gpus actually calculating. Cracking credit cards codes?

>>382700914

It is a pseudo-Ponzi Scheme. The earlier miners are trying to suck the normies into the hype before the bubble bursts hard.

Resellers are just taking advantage of supply and demand situation.

>>382694381

This. I still have the same Sandy Bridge 2500k i5 I've had since 2011, and I only have to change the thermal paste every other year.

Other than that, only things that change are RAM, MOBO, power supply (which lasts on average about 4 years), GPU every other year, and thats it.

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>tfw i3 3160 and 750Ti
>tfw will never upgrade

>>382700668
literally the same happened to games but for different reasons
>games were about 45DM when I was little
>€ comes games go up to 45€ basically doubling the price
>you're paying for a full game with all content 100€ now
the most infuriating thing is how fast this goes with indie-games(not counting RPG-Maker-tier shit)
>first few indie-games started at $10
>they slowly climbed up to $20
>now they jumped to $30 regularly

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>>382700914
Do you not know how pyramid schemes work?
Early adopters win if they can convince the next round of smucks to buy in

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>>382701194
>>382703059
Thanks for the explanation folks. Makes a lot more sense now.

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>>382679360
Well, it's not too hard. Nobody makes PC games that push hardware anymore, so you can just buy whatever and play on that.

Just wait for xbone x