Metroid bread

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>>382677996
Because zebesians are a hive mind and bees arent according to some retarded fans despite M1 and the definition of a hivemind in science saying otherwise.

COME ON ANON GET THE FUCK IN HERE

>>382677996
Name a single Nintendo franchise with a cohesive, consistent continuity.

prime isn't canon, sorry

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>>382678318
let's just get it out of the way shall we?

>>382678317
custom robo

>>382678317
Pikmin

>>382677372
>The X can do more than your simple restrictions because it HAPPENS SEVERAL TIMES IN GAME and its fucking science fiction.

Such as? Name me one other time that wasn't an obvious, obvious fucking gameplay abstraction like the scientist MYSTERIOUSLY NOT STRIPPING NAKED BEFORE TRANSFORMING.

Your in-game proof is literally nothing. You can't find a single thing backing you up except one sprite that has artistic reasons behind operating like it does. Let me break it down for you: Nightmare doesn't come out of its shell because it's SCARIER that way. The melting design is much more frightening than, say, if the armor burst off and it looked like an orange turd with eyes. Not knowing lets the imagination fill in the blanks and is a time-tested method of establishing a scary design, more than showing unnecessary details that makes it look goofy. This is why the scene with the Xenomorph crab-walking was cut from Alien, and that's why you never get a full shot of Nightmare. Again, it's a fucking abstraction. Like the fact that it's on a 2d plane; clearly, that wouldn't be so in the real world. But the game is depicting a version of events that's a carefully crafted experience, that sometimes requires concessions to be made from what's shown and what is actually happening. For instance, the Omega Metroid is stated to have been destroyed by the gunfire from Samus's ship, rather than the Ice Beam alone. But this is obviously not the case in gameplay, because it simply wouldn't look as good as a final confrontation would. In addition, the Omega Metroid changing colour as it's damaged is not literal, but just a gameplay abstraction showing damage being taken by the creature.

Is this clear enough? Because I can make a chart, I know autistic children such as yourself like charts. Very literal, easy to understand.

Also, it's a fucking The Thing homage. It can't copy metals. The theme is body horror.

>>382678596
Stop

>>382677996
It could be worse, at least it's not Zelda.

>>382678363
>hurr ill just repeat myself
Why didnt the armor drop to the floor like the security bot once the X-core is released? Not nightmares fucking face you assclown, the X-core with the barbed shell. Why did the entire structure, armor around its body included transform into it?

>>382678237
(in science fiction) a unified consciousness or intelligence formed by a number of alien individuals, the resulting consciousness typically exerting control over its constituent members.

no insect is a hive mind buddy.

>>382678694
This is for you fag-boi
>>382678596

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Hold up, I've figured out what the series needs.

>>382678596
>In addition, the Omega Metroid changing colour as it's damaged is not literal, but just a gameplay abstraction showing damage being taken by the creature.
Except ORGANIC CREATURES ON FUCKING EARTH can literally change color at will to look more intimidating or hidden.

Do you even biology?

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>>382678832
>Federation Fucking Soccer

2Chan's just given me my new favorite spinoff idea

>>382678832
>Federation Fucking Soccer

And here I thought japs were humorless.

>>382678317
Kirby and Pikmin

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I just spent four hours bickering with other losers about space sailor moon, quantum dickery, continuity, space snot, and a hack writer.
What the fuck am I doing with my life. It's been nine years. You've fucking ruined me.

>>382678792
A hive mind or group mind may refer to a number of uses or concepts, ranging from positive to neutral and pejorative. Examples include:

------Collective consciousness or collective intelligence, concepts in sociology and philosophy
------Groupthink, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome
------The apparent consciousness of colonies of social insects such as ants, bees, and termites
------Swarm intelligence, the collective behaviour of decentralized, self-organized systems, natural or artificial
------Universal mind, a type of universal higher consciousness or source of being in some esoteric beliefs
------Group mind (science fiction), a type of collective consciousness
-------Egregore, a phenomenon in occultism which has been described as group mind


Its almost like the term hive mind is a generalization for the two concepts were are BOTH talking about.

Fuck.

>>382679121
These threads used to be so nice.

>>382679121
I've just been shitposting about ridley clones, listening to witchhouse, and contemplating a sandwich while waiting for sleep

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>>382679121
Dont worry, your not alone.

Check out this sweet map though!

Where is the problem i dont understand?
Why isnt everybody happy?

People who like the Prime series het a sequel

People who like the Sidescroller 2D get a sequel

God if nobody answer with an good answer this will rather cement my opinion that the Metroid fanbase is a cancerous ammount of fucking people who should be killed.

Complaining for fucking years that no game is released , whining in every thread about
>i would buy the console if they would make a Metroid game
and now finally after so many year everybody gets a game and you niggers still bitch?

>>382678914
Jesus, man, an enemy turning red to indicate damage or rage is the most videogamey thing there is. Fucking Bowser does it. It even shows up for other bosses in the same game like Serris, Yakuza, Nettori and Ridley, not to mention every Core X that doesn't shoot you. Again, it's a gameplay abstraction and not necessarily representative of the in-canon events.

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>>382679053
They have their moments.

>>382679280
Yeah cool nice someone gimme my microscope

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>>382677996
The whole Metroid franchise is in dire need for a reboot to be quite frank with you guys.

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>beat SA-X
>get to omega
>nothing works
>SA-X saves me
>get health back and nothing still works even when trying to jump low and hit its body with missles
>samus keeps doing her knee animation making me think another cut scene has to play
>it doesnt
>start attacking with normal charged beams at body by running at it
>it works
>already too low health and die
>have to do SA-X over again

good game you got here metroid fags

>>382679291
Don't reply to the tripfag

>>382679291
I'm happy with what we've seen of Samus Returns so far, though I'm cautious of the Other M stink that Sakamoto seems to want on everything. I wish it was sprites instead of 3D models but that was never going to happen. I'm pretty happy overall.

>>382679396
>reboot
STOP

>>382679302
I wasnt saying it was literal. I was saying creatures changing color happens naturally so why wouldnt the X also have the ability to mimic any color at will.

See
>>382678694
For the actual response to this clusterfuck

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>>382679334
>SARMS

>>382679396
Prime was a reboot in a sense and it sold tremendously.

>>382679435
>The SA-X demonstrates how to hurt the metroid before you absorb it and gain the power to do it yourself

Low-test bait.

>>382678317
Mario

>>382677996
When your creator doesn't even know the what term bounty hunter is supposed to mean, you should understand you're in for some dumb bullshit.

>>382679654
In his defense, it doesn't charge up the beam when hurting it.

>>382679581
>Samus gets two grapple beams
>connects them to giant fists
>joins boxing tournament

>>382679435
SA-X isn't even hard once you get it into a loop

>>382679083
>Kirby
Wrong. There are a few different takes on the setting.

>>382679725
How is that defense?

>>382679678
It was never bounty hunter buddy.

It was Space Hunter originally in M1 which is a mistranslation of Space Warrior. It was decided bounty hunter would appeal more to western audiences and M3 was made to appeal to both markets a lot more.

>>382679163
Half of those meanings make no sense in the context you guys were throwing shitfits about.

>>382679573
The Omega Metroid is not an X creature, though? And even if it was, the X wouldn't have the ability to change colour in that form because the Omega Metroid doesn't have that ability.

And I explained why Nightmare's body doesn't drop like the arms. It's scarier if you don't see the goofy turd-like body under that metal shell. Again, it's a separation of gameplay and real events used to save time and to preserve atmosphere.

>>382677996
>Nintendo: Here you fagbabies go, 2 metroids.
>Metroid fagS: b-but what will we bitch about now.....
>M-MUH CONTINUITY.

>>382679435
The Omega Metroid was the easiest boss in the game dude.

>>382679908
>It was Space Hunter originally in M1 which is a mistranslation of Space Warrior.

You alone can defeat a certain warrior! You can vanquish the legendary Space Warrior.

>>382679396
>reboot
Kill yourself.

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>>382679839
>>382680113
Yeah I just did it again adn it was a cake walk im retarded

whats with these games and shitty final bosses? Zero Mission with Robot Ridley, Super with Mother Brain and Now Fusion with Omega?

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>>382679396
>reboot

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>>382678832
I wouldn't mind Samus being in an F-Zero game, would be neat desu
mostly just want a new F-Zero in general

>>382680298
Mother Brain is supposed to be CINEMATIC

>>382680298
Mother Brain is one of the best bosses in Super dude, are you kidding? It's the best example of a cinematic fight done correctly.

>>382680298
think of it as being a mid point between a scripted boss and a non-scripted boss for super and fusion.

>>382680428
so is the omega metroid

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>>382678832
>>382680427

>>382679504
>>382680251
>>382680382
He's not wrong, but I would wait until Sakamoto is gone for that.

>>382680298
SA-X is really the final boss. The Omega is more like a "oh shit" moment. Not an actual fight.

>>382680463
What are you talking about, it's the easiest boss ever.
You literally just stand in the corner, aim diagonally and spam missiles till it's dead.
Takes no effort or thought whatsoever.

>>382680553
F-ZERO F-ZERO

>>382678317
Kaga FE, but then again that's less than half the games

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>>382680029
>The Omega Metroid is not an X creature, though?
FUCK YOUR STUPID

The metroid is a creature. OK
Creatures can sometimes change color at will. OK
No one knows the full extent of metroids abilities because the science always goes bad. OK
the X are infact made or organic material. OK
the armor around the security bot is shed when the core is revealed. OK
when fighting nightmare it would indeed be stupid to see the turd leave its shell. OK

HOWEVER it could have easily have simply dropped to the floor upon defeat leaving an empty husk of the main body making you think its over. ONLY to have the x-core emerge from the shell similar to the security bot. NOT REVEALING THE TURD

Get it?
Also did you know that clothing is MADE OF ORGANIC MATERIAL, and many of the shells found on creatures are as hard as metel yet completely organic? That creatures can in fact change color.

So maybe, just maybe, that "shell" was really the X creating a natural carapace, that was colored like metal, that reverted with the X only after losing its weaponry and more.

So now do you understand what I am saying?
The X dont need to replicate metal when organics can already surpass it and look exactly the same.

So now tell me, where is the proof for either side? Because both are valid.
So fuck off because I just explained everything in a completely valid way using in game information. None of this "its just a game so it doesnt matter" bullshit.

>>382677996
Zero Mission > Prime > Prime 2 > Prime 3 > Metroid II > Super Metroid > Metroid Fusion

ungh thinking HARD!!!

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>>382680627
Reboots are complete shit. Instead of trying to fix things, or at least attempting to keep cohesion in the first place, devs just go "Oh well, our story is a clusterfuck because we have no forward thinking whatsoever. Guess we better throw everything that made fans like our games and just start on a clean slate, haha"

Sakamoto has got little to do with it. It's more on the idea that if you made a mess out of your story, try to untangle it instead of throwing the entire thing away. Otherwise, it's basically backstabbing the fanbase.

>>382678832
This actually is good. I would be okay with these three merging, it might mean they actually get consistent games.

Fuck anything Sakamoto is involved with.
That motherfucker has the biggest case of mommy issues I have ever seen. You would think Nintendo would have gotten rid of this guy by now.

Give a 2D Metroid to fucking Klei Entertainment and it's fucking guaranteed to be gold.

>>382680665
>Beat the boss like normal for the series
>Suddenly a second phase as it grows arms and legs, the music shifts to a straight horror track
>Do damage and catch it in a trap but it gets you with a super attack and starts draining your HP
>The Metroid that spared you earlier, the hatchling that you saved at the start of the game, comes through and attacks her to death and rescues you
>Mother Brain comes back to life and vaporizes the hatchling
>Curbstomp her with the very power the Metroid stole from Mother Brain and gave to you

It's pretty good. And if you fuck up the earlier phase hard enough, which is pretty difficult, the eyebeam can actually just outright kill you instead of leaving you at 1 Energy.
You were rescued by a Super Metroid you see

>>382677996
The continuity is perfectly cohesive as long as you leave out Other M.

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>>382680967
>he doesn't know about all the shitty retcons about Samus suit, the space pirates Ridley, MB, Metroids etc.
>not to mention all the half-assed writing

>>382681150
>mommy issues
Except only idiots see it that way.

The point of the baby was to show what genocide looked like, the samus did the same thing as ridley did to her colony. Showed up and destroyed all traces except one child that survived.

Shit Super and Fusion were more about coming to terms with the fact that metroids may not be inherently evil like the first games set up.

Comedy based game set around the Space Pirates being retarded goofballs while Samus explores a planet and you try and hinder her with hairbrained schemes when?

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>>382680627
Yes he is absolutely wrong you piece of shit. I can already tell you aren't an actual creative mind, because any creative will tell you reboots are 99% of the time bullshit that just piss off the original fans and almost never bring in new people. See: constant reboots in movies that people are sick to death of.

Metroid still has amazing gameplay to this day and the story is simple enough to understand, plus the designs are timeless. What you really mean to say is shit like Federation Force and Other M need to be considered non-canon spinoffs. There's literally nothing wrong with the series outside of those two bad eggs, so a reboot isn't warranted at all.

>>382681361
Forgot to put the retarded manga as well.

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>>382680428
>>382680463
>>382680475
>Every 2D game tries to be cinematic with scripted boss fights and sequences
>the technology wasnt their to make it look really cool
>Samus Returns does it as well as add an optional mechanic(counters) to bring more depth to the gameplay
>WAH WAH THEY RUINED METROID

what are these double standards?

>>382681391
no-one wants to discuss """the evils of genocide""" and other boohoo plot-heavy shit in a metroid game
the lore is already awful, how about leaving it loosely hanging in the background

>>382681608
>>Every 2D game tries to be cinematic with scripted boss fights and sequences
Super Metroid did that and it did that once at the end of the game.

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>>382680857
Holy shit calm down

>>382681608
1.
>/v/ is one person
2. MB and the Omega metroid are final bosses you nitwit it's okay for them to be somewhat cinematic

>>382681765
Fusion does it too my man

>>382680857
cringe

>>382681608
this is gonna be cool, cautiously optimistic
let's see if the faster gameplay pays off

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>>382681846
>>382681779
You guys realize were on 4chan right?

But what could Prime 4 possibly be about?
I dont believe phaaze is gone, that would have been too easy.

>>382682000
PHAAZE IS GONE
WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THIS
QUANTUM NONSENSE

>>382678832
>not realizing all Nintendo series take place in the same universe
The universe is a big place senpai

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>>382682000
>tfw no parents

>>382682000
phazon is back
and its in a tube
we're gonna pour it on mother brain's corpse
as samus exits her ship, steam blasts her right in the visor
she makes a :) face and continues

>>382681608
>design the entire game's combat around the counter
>people genuinely believe it's "optional"

>>382681391
Are we talking about the same guy who purposefully instructed Team Ninja to use only the Wiimote in a 3D game, severely hampering any control options?

Nobody cares about Samus' feelings. They want to go to a desolate planet, explore the planet and challenge themselves with the aliens in it.

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>>382681608
>melee qte
>she shoots a sr388 metroid in the head and actually damages it

>>382682101
For you

>>382682154
>qte
you dont know what this word means

>>382681832
Fusion is a very controversial title for its linearity. It doesn't make much sense to say that scripted sequences were always a part of Metroid because the one game nobody can agree is good used them.

But even then, I loved Fusion. The important thing to remember about Fusion is that none of them have flashy contextual actions. During all the setpieces the same rules apply that do during normal gameplay, and you're just as vulnerable. Very few of the scripted segments wrest control away from the player, which is why they're involving rather than distracting.

>>382682101
Does that mean the ending of Super Mario Galaxy created a new continuity for every Nintendo series? This could get complicated.

>>382681608
this is the first time i've even seen those, and while they aren't terrible, they are different than the "cinematic" effect of the mother brain fight.

for the counter scenes, you have no control over what you do for the time it's happening, I.E. it takes control away from the player, rather than letting them do the damage themselves.

If it were something like knocking the enemy back leaving it vulnerable for a few seconds, allowing the player to shoot it freely, that would be better IMO.

>>382682076
Zero proof.
GF information has been wrong on way too many occasions to trust it now.
Blowing up shit never worked before, why now?

WELL

>>382682274
Fusion is better than Zero Mission.

>>382680857
>The metroid is a creature. OK
>Creatures can sometimes change color at will. OK

Okay but what you were saying is that it should be expected that Metroids should be able to change colours because some creatures can, and thus the X should also be able to. Aside from the fact that the amount of creatures who can change their colours is actually pitifully small, why should Metroids and X share that ability when there's otherwise no crossover between abilities at all, and it's never once shown that Metroids have that capability? Why can't you admit it's a gameplay abstraction, like things flashing when they take damage?

>HOWEVER it could have easily have simply dropped to the floor upon defeat leaving an empty husk of the main body making you think its over. ONLY to have the x-core emerge from the shell similar to the security bot.

But that would be in contradiction from the other behaviour of the X, and Samus already knows the X have infected Nightmare because Adam told her so it wouldn't even be a surprise to see the Core burst out. However, the B.O.X is explicitly stated to not be infected despite its organic components on your first meeting, so the X is a surprise there.

>The X dont need to replicate metal when organics can already surpass it and look exactly the same.

The Nightmare had the weapons grafted onto the shell already because it was a bioweapon. So the X creating a shell around it doesn't hold any fucking water at all, especially when you count that the armor has a propulsion system in it. In addition, Nightmare being able to form a metal shell around itself naturally doesn't make any sense considering that Nightmare is a slime creature that was made in a lab. There's no reason it would have had those powers, nothing biologically to facilitate that unless it just has unseen telekinetic powers, and nothing design-wise to support that given that the armor is clearly of the same make as the weapons systems it was given by the Federation.

>>382682364
I agree. What's your point?

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>>382682364
oh shit here we go

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>>382681608
that battle looks ridiculously easy
like it never even manages to hit the player and moves at 5 miles per hour sprayng extremely slow projectiles

I see why they shut down AM2R now. This game is going to fucking blow.

>>382681608
>Every 2D game tries to be cinematic

This is where they get it wrong.

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>>382682356
They already concluded the story of phazon. This isn't about childishly bickering about what's possible or impossible in the metroid universe.
It's about not making retarded mistakes. They know if they make another chapter about phazon people will groan, dismiss the game, and ridicule them.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>382682328
>for the counter scenes, you have no control over what you do for the time it's happening
It's using missles look at the webm again. after doing the counter you have to hit it yourself with missles. Its practically the same effect as what you want the counter to be

>>382682551
>on the easiest difficulty for treehouse users
>one of the earliest "bosses"

Its like complaining that the early bosses in ZM are too easy, thats kind of the point

>>382682364
Why state the obvious?

>>382682101
nintendo isn't forward-thinking enough for that
in a way that's a good thing. they used to do things off-the-cuff. i guess with splatoon and arms that's back, but we're still missing some new adventure game

>>382682426
>Nightmare X and metal

Are they still fighting over this stupid shit?

>>382677996
>bread
Is this /b/?

>>382682000
>>382682127
It's right there in the name, isn't it? The Metroid Prime. It existed independently of Phaaze before, and my guess is that it survived the destruction of Phaaze by catching a ride in Sylux's ship, hence the secret cutscene at the end of Prime 3. And now she has a mighty bone to pick.

>>382682663
>trusting the end of a metroid game
>its called METROID PRIME
>it has a BLUE GLOW around the 4

Come on man. Its not hard to figure out.

>>382679396
Lets play as >>382679396
Samus' daughter

>>382682908
>It existed independently of Phaaze before
Thats wrong though.

>>382682674
as i said first time i've seen it, i assumed that the missile button would flash or have some other visual cue for when it's pressed, so i assumed it auto fired the missiles.

>>382682908
It didn't exist independently of Phazon, though. And Phazon is said to have disappeared from the galaxy with Phaaze's destruction.

>>382681608
>Comeback mechanic for people who can't into shooting
>Depth

>>382682927
>BLUE GLOW
Means nothing. They didnt even have a logo yet and reused Corruption's font, it was a rushed image so you shouldnt draw any conclusions from it

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>>382682927
http://nintendoeverything.com/tanabe-on-metroid-prime-ff-amiibo-backlash-timeline-story-retro-studios/
>On the series’ future…

>The whole story around Dark Samus and Phazon are complete stories.
Could you stop being retarded and fuck off?

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>>382682663
>Prime 4 takes place between 2 and 3

>>382683102
>>382683048
It's already irreparably mutated, and it craves Phazon but we don't know if it truly needs it to survive. I think it'd be interesting if it escaped and was able to reproduce twisted monster-spawn Metroids like she had on Phaaze and infested an entire planet, but maybe that's just me.

>>382683498
shut the fuc k up

>>382683560
>fuc k

>>382683595
I farted

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>>382679280
>always thought the wrecked ship was a ship like a big boat
>confused why it was larger vertically than horizontally (and obviously wasn't turned flipped over)
>it's a ship like a space ship/shuttle

God I feel retarded.

>>382683519
>it'd be interesting
No, it fucking wouldn't.
What would be interesting would be if they moved the fuck on.

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>>382683703
I had the same realization when I found the image anon.

>>382679356
>open in new tab
>ctrl+scroll
wow that was hard

Super>AM2R>P1>P3>Fusion>Metroid

Haven't played/finished the other ones

>>382681032
>>382681549
No, he's right. Start everything over back to the end of Super.

>>382684858
Fusion was fine as long as they restore the status quo of the suit (another reason why her previous powers could be gone) and never mention Adam again.

I think Other M is widely considered to be noncanon already as it is.

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Describe the plot to Metroid 5.

HARD MODE: Make it not retarded

>>382685173
Space pirates are trying to clone flavour of the month monsters
Galactic federation agree to pardon you if you stop them.
Go explore another planet.

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>>382685173

Left to their own devices, various space pirates/other stuff decide to turn Ridley himself into a space station and take on the federation. It ends up being the same kind of 3DS game like bowser's inside story as Samus takes on Ridley's internal organs RIP AND TEAR

>>382685173
Samus has to save a cute alien loli that has a crush on her from space bikers

>>382685173

2D sprite game

New Planet infested by metroids that got jettisoned in Metroid 4.

Rogue, opportunistic Chozo hiding on said planet.

Collects Metroids to go sell to highest bidder (Space Pirates is his top target for buyer)

Life on planet currently threatened by Metroids, so global timer to save all/as much life as possible, while also chasing fown Rogue Chozo.

Emotional turmoil for Samus for potentionally turning against a Chozo.

Minimum dialogue.

'Introduction' of Twin Aurora Unit?
Iunno. Throwing shit at a wall here.

>>382686746

>forgetting to remove name

fugg

>>382685173
The corrupt parts of the GF (Other M/Fusion) split off from the organisation and form a new faction.
This splinter group managed to gather enough data on the Metroids from their research that they are confident that they can create their own weaponised Metroids, completely from scratch.
Things go horribly wrong.

>>382685173
>Describe the plot to Metroid 5.

Samus would probably be a fugitive on the run, now being labeled a terrorist by the Galactic Federation in an effort to conceal their Metroid cloning practices.

Let's say she gets shot-down on a rogue planet. There, she finds an unsuccessful GF facility overrun by failed clone specimens. The specimens are various synthetic evolutions of Metroids. Samus has to survive her descent into the facility with GF forces pursing her all the while. The game would conclude with Samus uncovering a cache of classified information about the facility and using Adam to transmit a massive leak that discredits the GF and throws the galaxy into political turmoil.

>>382687172
>that plot
Fucking STOP
Just fucking put her on zebes and have her kill space pirates, that's what the series should fucking be about not bullshit plot and corruption crap.

>>382687172
cringeworthy stuff, this whole evil federation stuff needs to be excised asap

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How should the GF be portrayed if at all?
Useless like in fusion?
Kinda competent but knows they need help from the hunters like Prime?
Or straight cliche bumbling full retard military like om?

I kinda hope for something between fusion and prime. Useless but not so much they dont even matter.

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>>382686746
>Emotional turmoil
>>382687172
>Adam

>>382687591
Prime definitely. Samus fighting alongside GFed Marines was fucking awesome.

>>382687591
It should be portrayed as it was in the Metroid 1 manual. The federation in Fusion and Prime 2 are so boring I want to fall asleep whenever they're relevant.

>>382687586

Wasn't Zebes blown up?

>>382687591
>Kinda competent but knows they need help from the hunters like Prime?
This is the best way to be honest.
Either that or steer them away from the whole military angle like Metroid 1, II and Super.

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>mfw i never realized you were specifically attacking the pirate fortress on zebes

I always thought it was just random caves you got plopped in, that explains all the doors and powerups laying around.

>>382687591
prime

eager boyscout troopers, but ultimatly tissue paper cannon fodder.

>>382687591
Prime-style is good. It's nice to have a benevolent fictional organisation that isn't universally portrayed as being either completely retarded or secretly corrupt.

>>382687591
I'd like them to be competent and somewhat present but mostly out of the way, like maybe they've cleared out a small area of wherever you show up to but beyond that you only encounter them in corpse form, double points for things using their bodies.

>>382688245
AM2R used the Federation well.

>>382688303
Which parts exactly?
I cant remember it much since I havent replayed it at all since the initial release. Dont you find their bodies?

>>382682127
Oh fuck, Samus is Batman!
Holy shit, guys. You ever notice how samus and batman are never at the same place at the same time?

>>382688394
You find their empty ship after an alien killed them all, a research outpost that was overrun by Metroids and you see the final team of survivors get killed by the first Omega.

It's similar to Prime 2, but you see it happen throughout the game.

>>382688510
Okay, I forgot you seeing them against the omega.
All that happened basically in M2 so I expect well see it again in SR. If they even get to an omega

>>382688021
I know right?

Because of Federation Force, we'll never get a cool spin-off involving GF marines from Prime 3.

>>382688661
I don't remember anything like that in Metroid II.

>>382687586
>Just fucking put her on zebes and have her kill space pirates

Zebes was destroyed, and the corruption of the Galactic Federation is canon. Sequels can't ignore these facts, unless Nintendo decides to do a reboot.

There's nothing wrong with my idea. Samus will explore an underground facility and pockets of the surrounding subterrain while fighting metroids (or at least bizarre mutations of metroids)

It's mostly consistent with the series' main themes.

>>382687591
I love their portrayal in Echoes. They were hardcore motherfuckers who were more than capable of taking care of a group of Space Pirates, even a larger group like the Science Base, just horrendously unprepared for the situation of facing a threat like the Ing and were overwhelmed by sheer numbers.

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>>382678317

Zelda

>>382688678
they could do it if they are not retarded and NOT make it a chibi robo soccer simulator, and make it more like a halo/COD clone. That would sell like hotcakes.

but no, the dumb motherfuckers thought that fed farce was somehow acceptable.

>>382688759
>the corruption of the Galactic Federation is canon.

Yes, but we don't know the extent of the corruption. Like CPU Adam said in the ending of Fusion "One of them will understand"

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>>382688687
Read the manual, it tells you about the two GF teams. The initial research team and the search and recovery team that were both lost.

Him doing the fusion tie in was pretty cool though.

>>382689265
I never owned the physical version of the game
It's such a small thing but I really love the Fusion tie in. I just wish there was as much polish throughout the game.

>>382688836
>tfw the subplot of GF soliders in Echoes was more interesting then the main plot.

Federation Force could have been neat if we played as marines like those.

>>382680654
>Only missiles worked on it before
>Now Charged Super Ice Missiles literally do nothing.

This always pissed me off.

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>>382679396
Thanks for the wallpaper anon.

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>>382685173

>>382689774
ZEBES BLEW UP YOU STUPID JAPS

>>382689968
ZEBES IS BACK AN X IS IMPERSONATING IT

>>382689968
I think he was being facetious, anon.

>>382689360
It was all planned via updates.
Then it was shut down.

>>382682000
I never realized how sad this picture is.

Not being able to see her expression through the visor gets my fucking goat.

Sylux is really Samus' sister Dawn.

>>382690405
Sylux is really hopelessly in love with Samus and has developed a love beam he intends to use on her.

>>382690405
Stop shilling your shitty hack

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This fucking energy tank took me 30 minutes and I hate it. I felt no satisfaction in getting the 100% ending because this energy tank put me in a shitty mood.


Anyway, is AM2R worth playing and faithful to the original or should I wait for the upcoming remake?

>>382689360
Yeah, it was a lot better than I expected though. A lot of people dont realize M1 and ZM both state that the mission to zebes wasnt her first completed job despite it being called "zero mission"
It meant her first battle on zebes

>>382690674
Do all 3. They are all completely different.

>>382690674
dude just shinespark lmao

AM2R is to Metroid II what Zero Mission was to Metroid 1. Take that as you will.

>>382690674
AM2R is faithful to Metroid II the same way Zero Mission is faithful to Metroid:
Kinda sorta, but not really.
Samus Returns is looking to be a complete departure from the original game, besides a few basic things.

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Damn Metroid 1's manual had me going till I finished the game.

>>382689265
>>382689360
There was going to be another Fusion tie-in to be added via updates.

>>382690674
AM2R is the best 2D Metroid. The controls are crisp as fuck, the new content is excellent, and the old maps have been faithfully rendered including a fast travel room. It's absolutely worth a play.

>>382690991
>including a fast travel room
dropped.

>>382690892
>he

>>382690674
Just play both.

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>>382690750
>>382690839
>>382690991
Okay, thank you very much.
>>382690782
>dude just shinespark lmao
I tried Anon, I really did.

>>382691109
Unlike the counter in the remake, you actually don't have to use it. Metroid 2 is pretty linear so if you just want to go through from start to finish you can do that.

>>382691109
Decent bait but not good enough.

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>>382691246

>>382690991
Half the bosses are pretty bad anon, dont go crazy.
Its a great upgrade but it has all the good and bad of the GBA metroids so it feels stiff compared to super still.
Does it have the ledge grab? I cant remember what new powers it added besides shinespark.

I hope the movement is better in SR but well have to wait and see.

>>382691458
The only bad boss is Genesis.

>>382690839
>Samus Returns is looking to be a complete departure from the original game, besides a few basic things.
Honestly SR is more faithyful to the original than ZM was. More than half the rooms were changed in ZM by adding extra height or width when there was extra space but a lot of am2r is extremely similar to the original for more than half of it then the rest is as changed as ZM

>>382691292
>Unlike the counter in the remake, you actually don't have to use it
We don't know if you're ever absolutely required to use the counter in SR.

>>382691752
Nope. Keep believing those mediocre metroid fights were any good.

Sadly some of the original was awful as well so he didnt have much to work with because he wanted to stay so faithful.

>>382691246
>has

>>382691752
The only new bosses I found good at all were Torizo and the tester. And even then Tester was too bullet storm heavy and doesn't really feel like it belongs in a Metroid game.

>>382691458
>Its a great upgrade but it has all the good and bad of the GBA metroids so it feels stiff compared to super still.

Excuse you. Fusion is amazingly fluid and feels responsive, especially compared to Super.

>>382681608
>Every 2D game tries to be cinematic with scripted boss fights and sequences
No, at worst they had 5 seconds scenes of a boss entering and dying which sometimes didn't even take control away from the player

>>382680817
It's going full retard with warriors though, heroes is one thing but at least it was the only spin-off the only light heartedly tied everything together in a FE multi-verse just so you could gatcha them, but then they had to go and make another and make it even worse than the mobile game as far as setting and original characters.

>>382693160
Fusion's snappy controls were more tuned to twitch action, but the lack of momentum made it suck for exploration and platforming.

>>382680817
FE is the most doujin like game Nintendo has so stuff like story continuity was more of a priority than Nintendo usually has because it was all made by SRPG otaku, it's starting to lose that though

>>382691957
>SR is more faithful to the original than ZM was
Have you not seen the maps? They are completely different as opposed to being of layout.

>>382678317
Kirby

>>382693451
>but the lack of momentum made it suck for exploration and platforming.

Fusion isn't about the exploration, per se, it really is just the ideal Metroid action game, so I don't think that's entirely a negative. But I won't hear a bad word on the platforming, when you have horrific shit like a dedicated run button which is entirely unneeded, the god-awful trap of falling into the hole you need to walljump out of, and the general joy-sucking experience of being in Meridia in Super Metroid. Fusion's platforming is great. It's so great there's a 6-minute platforming section when the boiler is going to burst, and that entire section where you run from the SA-X.

>>382693785
The actual room are very different in both but half the map of am2r is pretty faithful in layout and rooms. The other half including the new areas is much more like ZM which used every possible free space on the map to expand rooms or add more except that happened through the entire game.

>>382680553
>Can't decipher this part he's too strong

>>382680382
it's a good thing japs aren't as reboot trigger happy as americans, they'll do it but they take a lot more into consideration and have a better understanding that a reboot can do a lot to alienate a franchise just as much as bring in new fans.

As an american I think about wether Metroid should get a reboot a lot but it's probably for the best right now that it doesn't, yes it's kinda gone off the rails and trying to get back on and you could see that as a reason to start over from scratch but by the same token nothing guarantees a reboot would be better when just taking the good parts of the story already built and adding to that is more than enough.

>>382694048
Momentum is great.
Walljumping is extremely easy.
Maridia is suppose to suck and you get out as quick as you can until you get the gravity suit.
I found the shitty grabby plants in the earlier part much more annoying than any of that.

>opinions

ZM and fusion have one thing, consistency.

>>382694242
Every Japanese Metroid game after Fusion is a soft reboot.

>>382694048
I agree completely. And for the kind of game AM2R, I think a GBA-style control scheme fits well.

>the god-awful trap of falling into the hole you need to walljump out of
Oh no, you have to do the thing you're being given a tutorial for.

>the general joy-sucking experience of being in Meridia in Super Metroid.
Maridia is a good level, the open level design gives you plenty of ways to cross rooms. I don't understand this meme of hating on Maridia.

>>382694262
I can accept all of this as opinions and write them off, except one thing

>Walljumping is extremely easy.

You motherFUCKER, don't you EVER say this bullshit to me. Runs have ended because of that fucking pit.

>>382694602
you press over THEN jump

Never at the same time or your asking for trouble.
I can walljump consistently in every single one after an hour or so to warm up. ZM and Fusion made it twice as easy.

>>382694602
Also extremely may have been a little much. It is easy though

People that care about story continuity in games like Metroid are cancer
>Buh how we gonna explain Samus losing her powers after Fusion? DURRRRR
Who fucking cares? She just loses them. End of story.

>>382694721
this
GBAbbies are just confused because the jump input is later. The window itself is much wider.

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What is this supposed to represent?

>>382694937
It's just a red bug with a green eye. I don't see the problem.

>>382681361
Despite any inconsistencies, that is still the order of the games.

>>382694937
it's an enemy cloning samus' helmet

>>382694065
That's what I said. Samus Returns isn't faithful because it has a completely different map.

>>382694937
Spaceship with landing gear down venting exhaust

>>382678317
Pokemon did before they decided to add parallel universes

>>382695252
So did ZM because every area has twice as many rooms, many of which were made taller since smooth vertical scrolling existed this time, but the overall structure, the skeleton of the world, was still pretty accurate.

>>382694937
Mediocre sprite work like most AM2R enemies

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>>382694081
Well, sometimes you just can't make out what a person is trying to say. It's something like "influence in recent years of people who were happy with Prime makes the idea of 'foreigners reactions' the easiest to use," but I couldn't tell how it'd be best to translate it, or if it had any nuance. In general though it looks like it just builds off of the previous thing he said, so I didn't bother too much with it since we already knew that guy's point.

>>382695435
That's what I'm trying to say. The overall layout is accurate, while Samus Returns is overhaulting it.

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Post yfw
>EMERGENCY IN SECTOR THREE

>>382696037
Fusion's setpieces were top tier, prove me wrong.

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>>382696037
Post yfw
>05 Energy

>>382695710
Not what I meant.
Compare ZM and 1 and youll see they are completely different in progression through the rooms because there are twice as many and there are also many extra bosses for these rooms but it still has the sane sense of direction as M1.

Am2r is almost exactly the same for more than 50% in actual world structure and progress if you compare the maps. There wasnt much added besides the 2 new areas and a bit more like the power core boss. The areas definitely didnt double in size and bosses like ZM. Except ZM continued with additional areas as well.

Well see if SR has the same general sense of progression in the direction you should head because they did it once already, thats what I was saying. Because treehouse seemed pretty accurate, the tunnels are just not nearly as flat as it use to be

>>382696248
I've been saying this for years. Fusion is the most moody, atmospheric Metroid game, and the setpieces are where all the tension comes from, like the section in the generator and with the SA-X chase shortly afterwards.

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If Nintendo wanted to make a story based Metroid to make up for all the fuck ups its made they could do a prequel game to Zero mission with young Samus before/when she gets the power suit while she's still training on Zebis, going around the galaxy as a young rebel bounty hunter for personal profit instead of saving planets for the federation, basically the manga but in game form.

Maybe start the game off before her parents are dead.

>>382696692

Or how about seeing Sector 5 get completely fucked up and flooded by Nightmare?
Or being completely trapped in Sector 4? That was one of my absolute favourite levels in the whole series, it's more claustrophobic than anything else I can think of.

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>>382696037
WARNING
NO ENTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION

>>382697236

it's NO ENTRY WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, you fucked it up

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>>382679504
>>382680251
>>382680382

why not? It's not like there's a big overall story anyone cares about in the first place.

Then we can move past shit like OM, burn zero suit in a fire, ignore pieces of shit like m2 and am2r2d2 or whatever the fuck and possibly get some fresh new metroid games.

>>382696883
>going around the galaxy as a young rebel bounty hunter for personal profit instead of saving planets for the federation
Why do people always assume this?
All you know is that she had done many extremely difficult GF missions before ZM starts.
She has been hunting space pirates for a while, zm is just the first time metroids show up.

>>382697353
You can do all of that without a reboot.

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>>382697321
SELF-DESTRUCT SEQUENCE ACTIVATED
GET OUT IMMEDIATELY

>>382696883
>Maybe start the game off before her parents are dead.

So she's, like, 5?

>>382696978
>In this area, the healing items will hurt you, so you have to dodge and weave past them and avoid triggering them because they'll take a fuckton of health every time
>Also it's dark as shit because it's the nocturnal enclosure

Jesus, I love NOC so much. It was criminally underused.

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>>382697523
these two panels at the beggning of the manga give off this vibe that before zero mission she was this really reckless spirit and I think that would be really fun to play as

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>>382697603
get a load of this guy

>>382697603
>>382697603
Worked fine in HZD.

Actually, to be honest, HZD is a cool template to start with for a "Young Samus" game. I don't know if you played it, but basically there's an extended story heavy tutorial where you play as young Aloy and learn some gameplay basics and world building and eventually you "grow up" and the main game opens up from there. so instead of bonding with Rost, you'd be bonding with Old Bird or whatever that father figure bird was called.

Just add Metroidvania progression/level design and we're good to go.

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>>382697839

>yfw you get the Varia Suit and become immune, but they still charge you anyway
>then they learn and stop doing it.
It's the little things, it's the polish.

Also that stage had fantastic level design, all the different ways to sneak past the blue X without drawing their attention.

>>382678317
Kid Icarus

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>>382697593
>evacuate immediately

>>382697523
So? They can invent it. Lorefags are the worst. Go back to Dr. Who

>>382698035
Samus was closer with Old Bird, but she was given Grey Voice's DNA.

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>>382698532
Who pissed in your Chozo Puffs this morning?

>>382698546
Then make that an interesting plot hook for the tutorial sequence. Turn it into a meaningful story. Like maybe Grey Voice shares DNA because Old Bird gets incinerated by Pirates. Then just give Samus a gun and point her towards Ridley.

>>382698709
That's offensive on my planet. Stop that.

>>382698820
The infusion happened almost immediately after Samus comes to Zebes. Why would Old Bird be incinerated that quickly?

>>382698820
THE BIRD

THE BIRD THE BIRD THE BIRD THE BIRD THE BIRD THE BIRD THE BIRD NOOOOO RDILEY PTSD GREY VOICE PLS ACTIVATE MY DNA

how's "samus is dropped off on an alien planet alone and has to survive" for a plot? then you build a solid world through well-placed lore and gameplay
play HZD if that's what you want

>>382699221
Samus parents are killed when Ridley and Pirates board their vessel.

The vessel crashes on Zebes and Old Bird briefly bonds with and comforts Samus before some Pirates jump from the wreckage. He dies saving you and tells Grey Voice who was nearby but too late to save Old Bird to protect you with his dying breath. Grey Voice is a warrior Chozo of incredible prowess and honors Old Bird by infusing Samus immediately, which comes with the added benefit of regenerating her wounds that she suffered in the crash/attack and saving her life.

>>382698532
>im a lorefag for reading the manual

Really stinks my pink.
Also I do like dr who but because its the exact opposite of lore, just stupid adventures sometimes in space

>>382699470
>how's "samus is dropped off on an alien planet alone and has to survive" for a plot?
That's not the point. Young Samus is a story driven game.

Go play other Metroid if you want that.

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>>382699470
"Please activate my DNA"?

>>382699607
You don't know a thing about this series, do you?

>>382699717
Anon, for fucks sake, you're hilarious.

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>>382699782
>>382699782
lel
basically exactly what this was

>>382699852
Her origin story was never told in a terribly canonical manner. It's ripe for retelling and retconning. All we need is "Ridley/Pirates killed her human family and Chozo adopted her."

>>382683703
I still want a ship that is crashed landed on it's side, and the geometry of the level reflects that.

>>382684858
No, he isn't. Shut the fuck up.

>>382699717
>Young Samus is a story driven game.
>Go play other Metroid if you want that.
don't worry i won't ever play the game that came out of your brilliant jenkem-addled mind

There are 8 worthwhile official metroid games

Zero Mission, Metroid 2, Super Metroid, Fusion
Prime, Prime 2, Prime 3, Hunters


Super>Fusion>Zero>Metroid II
Prime=Prime 2 > Prime 3 = Hunters

>>382700117
He is.

SICK SPOILERS HERE GUYS
METROID PRIME 4 IS AFTER FUSION
THE GALACTIC FEDS MIXED PHAZON WITH X AND NOW IT'S ALL GONE TO SHIT

>>382677996
Things that happens in MP4

>Parasite X has huge role
>GF colonel turns into X, wants Samus dead
>Samus escapes and teams up with space pirates
>puzzle sequences where Ridley is invloved
>SA-X returns, spooky moments
>Serris, Nightmare and Phantoon battle

>>382700508
kys yourself

>>382700319
I'm just saying you're a sperglord who can't even keep track of a discussion

>Hey! What about a story driven game about Samus before she got her Power Suit!
>That's neat! Here's an stupid idea for the plot!
>NAH FUCK THAT. SAMUS IS ALONE ON A PLANET AND MUST SURVIVE. FUCKING JENKEM HUFFERS.

Have some self awareness you fucking retard.

>>382700496
AHHH SHIIIT

>>382700508
X was completely destroyed along with the planet SR388 in Fusion.

>>382698035
>HZD is a cool template to start with for a "Young Samus" game

please go

>>382699969
yeah, we don't to hear about your cancerous fanfics christian

if Nintendo want's to add some backstory that's on them, but it could turn out like Other M or worse

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>>382699969
We DON'T need a fucking retelling.
For fucks sake do you know what you're asking for, you fool?

You're asking Sakamoto to reaffirm everything in OM. I don't wanna dig up this ragged old corpse of a discussion that's been beaten to death a billion times, but jesus christ, stop for a second and listen to what you're asking for.

Be realistic. WHAT do you think would happen?
Listen to what you're wishing for, and ask yourself what would happen if it came true.
It's a monkey paw wish.

I've wished the same thing several times. It was what I wanted from Other M, I wanted them to delve into detail about her origin story, and instead I got this mess I never even asked for.

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>>382700496
>THE GALACTIC FEDS MIXED PHAZON WITH X

>>382700686
>We DON'T need a fucking retelling.
Okay. Sure.

But this is just a hypothetical. You fucking autist.

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>>382678832
>>382680427
>>382681129
Let's also not forget that Captain Falcon, like Samus, is a Bounty Hunter.

>>382700802
Your intellect is hypothetical.

>>382700571
the other guy isn't wrong you're pretty fucking funny
the point is that they tried telling a story in a metroid game before. it was fucking awful. that's what i was making fun of >>382699470

your little retard ideas were fun but it's time to go bye bye now
play HZD if that's what you want

>>382678832
>F-Zero
Sure.
>Star Fox
No thanks.

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>>382701137
>>382701137
>>382701152

>>382700571
He's right though. "Story-Driven" is not a phrase that should ever be associated with Metroid.

>>382701137
AHHH SHIIIT

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>>382685173
>>Describe the plot to Metroid 5.

>Samus lands on a random planet
>Metroids and space pirates and monsters and hidden powerups and weird colored doors that you have to attack with different weapons until they open everywhere
>implying the story ever mattered

>>382701026
I always thought it's be a cool idea to have a GTA-style game with Cap, where he zooms across the land to punch criminals in the face

>>382700571
>here I am being level-headed and reasonable
>HERE IS MY OPPONENT HE HAS A BIG HEAD AND HE IS YELLING
Story has no place in Metroid deal with it faggot

>>382700416
no wai

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>>382701349
That's got nothing to do with it. He's being a retard.

>Hey! Let's discuss *Thing* for a second
>NO! YOU MUST NOT EVEN DISCUSS *THING* STOP DOING STUFF I DON'T WANT

He's being a literal autistic tantrum throwing retard.

>>382701478
See above. There's no defending his behavior.

>>382687586
How about you go fuck yourself. If you want the same shit over and over then go play Pokemon.

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>>382700632
>X was completely destroyed along with the planet SR388 in Fusion.


Oh man, just like the Metroids were completely destroyed

>>382701741
But they were.

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>>382701723
If you want something that isn't Metroid go play something that isn't Metroid.

>>382701741
They were, that's why we don't have a post-Fusion game.

>>382701741
What kind of fucking retard would clone X, quite possibly the most dangerous organism to galactic civilization ever discovered?

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>>382701848
What we want is to discuss stuff online with other fans.

You're being insanely stupid. You do know you don't have to reply to everything in the thread right? You could even go make your OWN Metroid thread. With Blackjack and Hookers.

>>382701903
I dunno, who would want to grab X with the abilities of Samus "Only called in when shit is unsalvagable and the only solution is a destroyed planet" Aran and a ruthless drive to kill and reproduce?

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>>382701958
>You do know you don't have to reply to everything in the thread right?
That was my first post ITT and you've just obliterated any chance at me taking you seriously. Don't put bad ideas on a public forum if you don't want people to laugh at them.

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>>382701903
>>382701903

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>>382702231
>That was my first post ITT
You honestly expect me to believe you?

>>382702172
A moron. Thank god Fusion's plot resolves this possibility.

>>382689774
>Samus herself is the Metroid

so that's why she can't crawl

>>382702321
>A number of X survived impact with SR338 and began thriving again
>Space Pirates move in to intercept
>X absorbed all the memories of Sgt. Tubington of the 89th Space Pirate Brigade
>Immediately started cloning Metroids for some reason and the population dies off

I know it isn't technical canon but hey

>>382702356
You should, it's the truth, but if lying to yourself is easier then I guess just do that.

>>382702172
>>382702391

What if there wasn't only 1 SA-X, and all the encounters throughout the game were just multiple different versions?

What if hundreds of them escaped at the end of fusion and are just out there somewhere?

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>people actually believe that because Samus killed the X Parasite and destroyed their home planet that they will stay dead in the future
Just like Metroids, Ridley, and Phazon, huh?

>>382701958
Kek take your own advice and make your own thread pitching your ideas you butthurt retard
Maybe you could cry and sperg out when people only reply to call you a braindead simpleton
People don't want story in Metroid

>>382702756
It's confirmed that there are several SA-Xs onboard the station by Adam. They have no way to escape however (Samus' ship is the only way off), and died in the subsequent planetary explosion. The writers preempted your idea.

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>>382702756
>What if there wasn't only 1 SA-X,

That's quite a concept anon

>>382702895

but what if magic happened like in every sequel ever?

>>382702668
I shudder to thing of the outcome if X are given access to tube technology.

>>382702756
Oh my fucking god, grow the fuck up.
There is absolutely no need to bring back the X. Ever.
It's done and concluded.

>>382703002

fuck you it's been 15 years I don't remember shit about fusions plot besides x were designed to kill metroids or some stupid shit

or wait metroids were designed to kill x

>>382679334
Lost it at SARMS.

>>382703039
What if it didn't? The SA-X work as a one shot villain, they were spooky in Fusion but now we've been exposed to them and Dark Samus. A shitty plot about an evil Samus clone AGAIN would be a bad direction.

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>>382677996
>MUH LORE
How fucking autistic does one have to be to expect every piece of entertainment to have 100 percent fully thought out world functions behind it? Only retards give a shit about how light sabers functions or how fast the Giger's alien gestates and why.

>>382703213
Oh my fucking god, grow the fuck up.
There is absolutely no need to bring back Ridley. Ever.
It's done and concluded.

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>>382677996
WHY DO FIND SAMUS SO CUTE IN HER ARMOR

>>382703213
calm down kid, it was nothing personnel

>>382703334
Jesus, the X were a one time plot.
Ridley is the third most iconic character in the series.
If you're gonna grasp at straws do it somewhere else. Write a fanfic or something.

>>382703269
Metroids were engineered to feed on the X so by extincting them, Samus accidentally allowed their population to experience a resurgence again.

>>382703402
WHY DO *I* FIND SAMUS SO CUTE IN HER ARMOR

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>>382703402
YOU FORGOT THE FUCKING SHOULDER FINS

>a metroid imprints on the first thing it sees and acts like a loyal pet/child
>somehow researchers never manage to control them
I guess maybe it was just the one, or Samus is really good with animals.