Will SMTfags ever recover?

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This is now a Law thread

>>382672584
mastema a shit

I was looking forward to Persona 5 and what I got instead was 80 hours of monotonous bullshit with a garbage story.

>>382672790
Do you often play jrpgs? Persona 5 offers a lot more variety than most.

>>382673163
That speaks for itself

Apocalypse was really good, what's your point other than being a graphixfag?

>>382673434
Fuck off retard.
Go back to persona and don't ruin SMT with your trashy ass taste.

Integrating that stupid dagger was dumb as fuck and pointless time waster
Having 6 unwinnable boss fights is not fun
Giving the player cheap ass skills that bypass resistances and valancing around that is not good game design
Adding milestones in the base game that can only be achieved by buying DLC is not good business practice
Having the fight the same boss 4 times isn't "cool."
Paying full price for a game that's literally 80% reused assets isn't acceptable

Notice how I didn't bring up the characters once? Don't need to to know its a garbage game.

>putting Japanese games on consoles when the majority of its audience is on the handheld

literally only americans will defend this

>>382672584
>betatron

>>382676074
Why shouldn't they put their games on consoles anon?

>>382672413
I'm hoping SMTV/HD comes to ps4 with the success of Persona 5, but I doubt it. If it doesn't then I guess I'll finally have an excuse to by a Switch.

>>382676074
>third worlders
lmao then why persona, a jap game, is on the console?

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>>382672413
Why is it always X vs Y or Us vs Them with you retards?

>>382676463
humans are hardwired for us vs them mentalities.

>>382675675
still better than shitsona

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This threat now belongs to the one true waifu.
Heretics who have chosen lesser waifus are unwelcome.

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>>382672413
>comparing the jrpg kino that is smt to that weaboo bait garbage dating sim
AHAHAHA

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>>382678159
>threat

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>>382678159
kill yourself

SMT is better on handhelds.

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>>382678159
>she'll never follow you around town

How come Nanashi is immune to light element in SMTIVA? Was flynn immune to a certain element too? I forget

>>382672413
Apocalypse was so fucking bad. Jesus.

>>382678408
No. All humans in IV:A null or resist light for some reasons, maybe because they live in the dark for a long time

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>>382672413
Never played persona but it looks fun. Smt is adult Pokémon so I'll stick with it

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>>382672584
>lawfags btfo
Sorry dude but I refuse to be a pawn in your endless jerk off

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>>382675675
>Giving the player cheap ass skills that bypass resistances and valancing around that is not good game design
Just like other SMT games?

>>382678617
Is this an image for ants

>>382678927
I tried asking awhile ago for a high res Verizon but no one posted it. Anyone have it?

>>382678515
It's an improvement gameplay wise over Soul Hackers and iv, so it's my favorite thus far.

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>>382679032
Here is a bigger version next time you are looking for a bigger version of an ikage try using an image search.

>>382672413
By not having turbonormies invade the community

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>>382678742
>implying he is capable of being anything other than a pawn
>implying his defiance wasn't part of the Great Will's plan
>implying he will be able to escape if he shoves the universe up it's own anus

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>>382678754
Yes

>>382679229
This I really don't get why people like to shit on it so much despite the fact that the gameplay is the best in the franchise.

>both series take elements from each-other in their most recent entry

Why fight, clearly they want us to enjoy both.

>>382679231
Man P2's cast was something else

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>>382672584
No fuck you

new raidou game WHEN

>>382672584
>>382680149
Does someone have the "Law more like GAAAAY" image?

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>>382679706
No

>>382672413
i'm so tired of everything being "us vs them" nowadays cant we just fucking discuss shit and stop drawing lines in the sand

i've never understood why SMT fans feel the need to pick a fight with Persona fans. like yeah you got some normalfags in your fandom, welcome to reality, shit happens. but they are supporting the SMT developers and buying their shit which lets them continue to make SMT games.

>>382679706
no, smt iv was disgustingly casualized

>>382679575
Because m-muh story

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>>382680439
Yeah mainline SMT died with based Nocturne. Hopefully 5 is a return to greatness and also has a Sony release

>>382680439
Then comes IV:A which is the second hardest after SJ's final bosses gauntlet

>>382680439
It was harder than nocturne though.

>>382672413
>5 times the resolution
>still manages to have a less clear UI
Defend this

>>382680686
Nocturne is easier than SMT IV, SJ, and Final.

>>382680608
They need to fuck off you can tell your "Friends" to fuck off everytime you can open your mouth and you can even kill them just like usual so I have no.idea.why it triggers so many people.

>>382679231
IDK if I tried it or not but I couldn't find it. Regardless, thanks man

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>>382680908
Hahaha no...

>>382680686
>Yeah mainline SMT died with based Nocturne
Nocturne killed mainline SMT. Nocturne is fucking nothing like mainline SMT before or after. Spinoffs like DDS and Soul Hackers are more like mainline SMT before and after Nocturne.

Nocturnebabbies need to fuck off.

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How come other demons didn't try to make their own godslayers in smt4? The most similar ones seemed to be Mara with Maruo & Danu w/ Nozomi. Was there no gain from doing so, unlike dagda who had extreme views?

>>382679252
I wish there was more The White oc so I could bantz back with you :(

>>382681057
Is this your way of making a joke?

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>>382681057
Hahaha no

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>>382672413
;)

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>>382681064
>muh nocturne baby ad hominem
Get overyourself nintendtoddler. Nocturne is the best SMT and is essential /v/ core alongside great games such as hl2 and deus ex

>>382681057
>1 boss has a trick you need to figure out on how to beat him.
>Once you know that he is piss easy just like all the other bosses.
Anon please.

>>382679575
Apparently the story isn't the best and while it reads a bit like fanfic it was still a good story

>>382681303
Persona 3 is also called essential /v/ core and make it to a top 100 list

Soul hackers is such a great game.

>>382680747
What mode are y'all playing on? It's easier than Soul Hackers and uh iv. Maybe y'all just don't know how to into fuse?

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>>382680908
The only reason why Nocturne is easier is because based Demifiend is a billion times stronger than the protags of the games you mentioned. The true way to play Nocturne is a hard mode Demifiend only run.

>>382681560
A lot of main character designs ruined the immersion but it was so good

>>382681159
Danu needed a body in IV. As to why they don't make godslayers maybe not all demons know about messiah's.

>>382681247
Tips for beating him?

>>382681564
War

>>382679480
Why is there a dick in persona?

>>382681560
Too bad I will never get a chance to play it because fuck 240pds

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>>382681874
Because why not?

>>382675675
I hated the jade dagger but the items made it worth it.
Cheap ass skills? That stuff is always in the game but not until later and even then the game is still hard.

>>382681159
Because atlus shat the bed and went crazy with Apocalypse. They didn't have the same careful planning and cohesiveness that IV had. Plus look at shit like Akiras sister and the white which just got seemingly ignored completely.

I mean c'mon, you're telling me the group who wants to nuke the universe due to humans being caught in *record scratchs* infinite conflict have NOTHING to say or at least get mentioned in the game that says Godslayer a million times?

>>382681883
Why not play the original version on the ps1 then?

>>382681303
>best
DDS2 was more enjoyable.

>>382681857
Is that hard mode bc I forget, but the inclusions of "continues" made the game much easier.

>>382681583
>Hero tells everything to fuck off
>Aleph kills YHVH
>Flynn kills both halves of Satan who is as strong as Nocturne Lucifer and tells everything to get out of his Tokyo
>Nanashi kills YHVH and replaces him, or tells YHVH to fuck off

Meanwhile in Nocturne
>Congrats for punching that discoball Demifiend you are my best underling now
Not my fault your protag has absolutely no balls mate

>>382682137
>Akiras sister
Akira's sister turns out to be asahi or that is what /smtg/ says that wss written in the nip only artbook of IVA.

>>382682137
The chosen of the white in that multiverse is Flyn.
You do not control Flyn in Apocalypse

I think I'd rank the endings for Iv/A as follows

>IVA Anarchy
>IV Neutral
>IV Bonds
>Chaos
>Law
>White

>>382682408
Kinda, it is not the hardest difficulty but it is harder than the game's normal mode which is real easy.

>>382682647
Seems correct to me.

>>382675675
>Adding milestones in the base game that can only be achieved by buying DLC is not good business practice

huh?

>>382682585
Johnathan and Hoy also see them in a dream just like Flynn does. Besides, that's no reason for them to not make an appearence or reference in Apocalypse.
>>382682531
Makes sense but that shouldn't stop them from mentioning her. Look at Akira in Infernal Tokyo. He visits her grave occasionally and cares for it. In IVA she doesn't even het mentioned even in Akiras memories when Nanashi dreams.

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>>382682412
I am talking about gameplay mechanics dumbass autist. Lore wise Demifiend would still probably rip Nanashi and Flynn apart limb by limb

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Moar semen demons when?

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>>382682647
>Anarchy best
You are grounded Dagda

So how long until Atlus tries to grab some of that mobile money and makes a gacha game

I just honestly don't understand threads like this
The only persona game that didn't outsold smt game that was released enarby is persona 3
Did persona 5 changed something even more?

>>382682973
I don't agree with the means but it is the best end. I think we'll have a secret Nanashi battle in SMT Next ala Demifiend in DDS thanks to Stephens warning about other Messiahs (player characters) coming from other universes.

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>>382679480
Fuck off cyrus.

>>382681583
>Demifiend only

Is that even possible?

>>382682647
Law>Neutral>Bonds>=white>chaos>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anarchy

>>382682647
Can you explain why The White is so low? Also what's the diff between Bonds and Neutral?

>>382683254
Yeah it is but it takes alot of planning and patience if you want to win without grinding

>>382683254
Probably, with enough patience and autism anything is possible and he seems to have more than enough of the latter so he probably did.

>>382683326
How is white possibly better than Anarchy? Hell how is ANYTHING above the neutral/bonds ends?

>>382683141
Nothing. It's just your usual shitposting thread. Give it some time and we may have a post-Dark Souls MonHun threads situation

>>382683426
Bonds is the friendship ending of IVA and neutral is just the neutral ending of OG IV.

>>382672413
You mean like when the next major game hits the Switch and finally sees a console return, or the fact that the series has stayed on the best selling console of its generation? Either way, SMT doesn't have to rely on an enema of anime to make it playable to the average player, so how will Persona fans recover?

>>382683426
White just nukes everything. At least the other ends have some group of people who are enjoying life.

Bonds just takes IV and kills YHVH, earning Nanashi and Flynn eternal torture when he inevitably returns. See Hajiri in Nocturne.

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Okay let's just say atlus is planning to use guest artists again for the next SMT game, but this time you can choose who those guest artist are.
Which artist would you choose and which demon or deity would you like him to.design?

>>382683964
Yasuda and Pixie

>>382683573
Thanks dude

>>382679480
>Those skills
Good job Anon.

>>382684145
I can already imagine it

>>382683738
Why is nuking everything bad? There may be some humans enjoying life but only at the expense of others, who suffer dearly. And if YVHV isn't a lawful good type of guy, if he's just an asshole that wants us to jerk him off for our whole lives, than he deserves to be held accountable and humanity needs to be saved from him.

>>382683326
Why is law rated so high? Are you that delusional?

>>382675675
way batter than 4 which was absolute garbage

>>382684604
I don't get how lawfags exist there are like 2 law endings that are cool and the best law ending of the two is the one where you kill god with your best friend satan

SMTIV and IVA are shit games, and SJ is just a worse EO

>>382684798
I mean it's admirable that they kill YVHV since he's not a good guy but
>slavery
>no free will
>also blasted Tokyo
Yeah right gimme a break. Fucking cunts

>>382678592
All humans in mainline null light because they are not demons/evil spirits.
Light/expel are skills that banish demons or use Shinto seals to remove evil.

Smt died with the original smt. All of y'all are casuals who should off themselves.

>>382685091
Worst bait in the thread kys

>>382685091
>implying SMT is not a casualized pretentious MT
MT3 never ever

>>382676664
*americans

>>382684923
>>382685091
Samefag?

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>>382685190
>>382685091
You faggots need to fuck with your shitty gane adaptions and need to read a fucking book for once in your life.

>>382682137
>They didn't have the same careful planning and cohesiveness that IV had

iv had no mental effort given to the story in any capacity.

also flynn in IV:A clearly chose neutral so he destroyed the white long before

>>382685147
I'm not baiting I'm imitating.

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>>382685478

>>382681159
gods wanted to choose capable godslayers.

that's why krishna, lucy and merkabah tried so hard to obtain flynn.
dagda had the benefit of choosing some lowlife because he could revive him infinite times

>>382672413
Hopefully they get the message and add actual characters to SMT games so it's not just soulless RPG battling.

>>382681883
Why be such a bitch though?

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>>382685640
I'm gonna hafta escort you out of the thread for baiting

>>382683738
He's not going to return, he was dragged off his thrown and reverted to his true nature and thus killed permanently. Aleph did not do this, so he was cursed.

>>382685902
>>382685624
Meant for

>>382685276

No, I didn't want replies from retards who think smt1 or 2 are good

>>382685938
That stills leave rooms for YHVH to return to power like he did in SJ

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Only including the games I've played:

Devil Survivor Overclocked > SMT Nocturne > Digital Devil Saga > Persona 4 Golden > Raidou 2 > Persona 3 FES > Raidou 1

Yasuda > all

>>382672413
>you will never get all those (You)'s
Damn your bait.

>>382685478
There was some effort undoubtedly when compared with Apocalypse. And honestly, as much as people like to shit on IVs writing, it's not like Nocturnes was any better. There's just more of it in Iv.

So magic is pretty broken in smt IV, can I assume it's the same in apocalypse?

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>>382686113
DeSu OC is great. The Bels' designs are phenomenal and the story is decent with the best routes

But Yasuda is shit

>>382686098
In SJ Mem Aleph tore him apart, but since they're Gods themselves she cant change his nature and kill him permanently, she can only overpower him and do things her way.

>>382679480
what happened to one shot kill

Having started with IV I honestly have to rank the games as follows purely from an enjoyment perspective:

Devil Survivior Overclocked>IV>DDS>Nocturne>IVApocalypse>Devil Survivior 2 Record Breaker>Persona 3 Fes

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>>382685681
>dagda had the benefit of choosing some lowlife because he could revive him infinite times
Actually in the artbook or what was daid what was in the artbook of SMT IVA, Dagda was actually trying to get Nanashi from the get go.
He tried to recruit the previous incarnation of flynn, wally and johnny, but they couldn't hear him.just lie the other souls.
The only one that could hear him was the soul of Akira, Dagda then tried to recruit Akira for his plan, but Akira was too much of a bondsfag to agree with and just told him to fuck off.
That is why he is always like "Kill yer friends boyo" and why he destroyed Akira's gauntlet, he tried to prevent Akira's bondsfaggotry to surface within Nanashi.
It is also why he says that he expected you to not join him when you go bonds.

>>382673163
>Persona 5 offers a lot more variety than most.
I don't think that different dialogue options counts as variety.

>>382686128
iv had the dumbest senseless shit i've seen in any smt. Even IV:A comments on how stupid they were

>Tayama harvests kid brains, breeding them for 12 years or so, thinking it's a better alternative than turning them into capable soldiers
>RoG idolize the strongest yet none chose to follow Xi Wangmu
>The Chaos ending wants everyone to fight for themselves, yet mikado ends up in shambles and it just turns into a roundabout Law route with you as the leader


They set up a nice world lore-wise but most of the characters pissed me off at how braindead dumb they were. That and IV had the most lazily crafted, unbalanced gameplay of any game I've played.

>>382686519
Why does P3 have so many fans?
Its not a bad game but Tartarus as a dungeon ruins a great deal of enjoyment the game could offer. Its so fucking tedious

>>382686718
>unbalanced
Oh yeah. Once you get physical and magic repel you're set. They should've gone the DDS route and had repel for specific elements.

>>382686718
I was a bit curious as to why Walter was against the human harvesting but all for opening a portal to let in demons that would kill countless people, seemed like questionable writing

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>>382686772
Waifus anon and it has decent enough story to hook people up.

>>382686772
It has the best start and ending
It's also a balance between P2 and P4/5 in terms of character development and mechanics

>>382686950
But the demon portal was after he realised he could create a world of chaos where the strong could rule. Before that they were just out to off Lilith. Plus harvesting to negotiate with demons seems quite un-chaos like. I imagine a true chaos rep would rather weak humans die in tokyo with the strong able to survive.

>>382687103
The story is as minimul as nocturnes. You get a handful of plot points at the end of every month but nothing major until near about the end. Even then most of the time it boils down to killing the big shadow. Now I wouldn't mind of the characters themselves were well written but they aren't with a few exceptions. It is at least better than Persona 4s writing.

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post favorite demons

>>382687482
i liked P4s writing, thought it was better than 5's

>>382687568
nice low poly aesthetic.what game is this?

>>382686227
they actually balanced Apoc slightly
Phys has the highest damage output but magic is great for hitting weaknesses

>>382687603
You are entitled to your opinion even if its a bad one

>>382687269
Yea I guess man. Shame opening the portal led to the same path as killing lilith

>>382687802
surely you are jesting if you don't recognise this game in a thread on this topic

>>382686950
Wally hoyman character was kinda a mess at they made him go from a sensible guy to "IMMA GONNA OFF MYSELF RIGHT NOW, BEFORE I BECOME OLD AND LAME LIKE THAT FAGGOT JOHNNY"
But I gues what they werw trying to is this.
Walter was disgusted with the harvesting thing, because thise kids never stood a chance and were born and going to.die as livestock, walter saw himself in that since if it weren't for demons and samurai he would have been forced to become.a fisherman with no escape from that vocation, because his dad was a fisherman.
What he wants to create is world of chaos were anyone can rise up regardless of their birth or standing to become the topdog rather than being doomed from the moment you are born.

>>382687802
Looks like Nocturne

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>>382687802
Nocturne my boy

>mfw running from this creepy rape horse in dds2
Man Dantes got nothing on this guy.

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>>382687568
I'd die for her.

>>382687482
Yeah, but unlike nocturne it still had some other character stuff going on that could keep people interested as inane as that character stuff could be.

>>382686950
the whole brain pills just seem like lazy attempt at shock value.

>>382686227
Nope. They fixed it bigtime. It's the most evolved SMT experience I've seen.

>Smirk doesn't give you 100% evasion
>Meta skills like tetra/Megido/luster candy are extremely expensive to use
>Demons now have affinities, giving them bonuses to skills they prefer and weakening other skills in the process of inheritance
>Locked skill slots until endgame so you can't abuse having all meta skills
>glorious boss rush toward mid-endgame

>>382688102
His motivations at the end were where the strong ruled. Tayama was strong. He did whatever he pleased because he was strong. They didn't give a schment of thought when thinking about causality both world and idealism wise.
Face it man, the writing is just bad.

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>>382687568
Fuse him every game I can

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>>382688636
Wrong frost senpai.

>>382688618
Affinities and doubling MP cost on everything is pretty balanced. That's true

I'm not really a fan of locking effect like Salvation's ailment cure behind Smirk though

>>382688618
Oh sweet affinities sounds nice.

>>382688618
>His motivations at the end were where the strong ruled. Tayama was strong. He did whatever he pleased because he was strong. They didn't give a schment of thought when thinking about causality both world and idealism wise.
>Face it man, the writing is just bad.
I never said otherwise like I said hoymans character was all over the place by the end, what I just wrote is what I think the writers were going for.
World of strength never made sense to me anyway.

>>382688849
I like both.

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>>382688594
>nocturne story is lacking meme
It's like you fags never heard of subtlety before. Just because Nocturne isn't filled with pointless exposition doesn't mean the story is shallow. It's actually deep and thought provoking and challenges the player to think critically about the Reasons.

>>382689413
Speaking of which, what reason do you think is best?

I'd say Yosuga, since it's the only reason that can create a functioning society without it becoming stagnant.

>>382689413
There is basically no story whatsoever you just fuck around in the vortex world untill everyone gets their sponsor.
There is a whole bunch of lore and shit that happens in the background, but there is plenty of that in IV as well.

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>>382689638
Hell no, best Reason is Musubi by far. I should be able to live my neet lifestyle without society constantly judging me.

>>382689972
>Look at that loser.jpg

>>382689972
But without interacting with others, people will never grow and nothing productive would get done.

>>382689972
>you become a God of your own world
>you're still a fucking NEET.

Musubi is wasted on you.

>>382689638
They are all pretty garbage.
>Musubi
You sit doing absolutely nothing all day making no.progress whatsoever.

>Shijima
Everyone just becomes emotionless husks having no desire or ambition just leads to stagnation like you said

>Yosuga
Yosuga is kind of dumb, since the vortex world is pretty much already a world.of strength

>>382689972
If you had any sense of personal development, you'd realize a pure NEET lifestyle is a waste of a life.
There's nothing wrong in immersing yourself in the things you love, but interpersonal relationships are what allows oneself to become a fully developed person, instead of someone stuck in place forever.

>>382690459
You're right that the vortex world is a world of strength, but it's not a society with a hierarchy.

Yosuga would create that hierarchy through the natural laws of the vortex world. It's the logical conclusion of the creation process.

>>382689413
The story is practically non existant till the reasons get established, at which point the game is basically over. Subtlety only works when each story beat says a lot indirectly or something of profound wisdom. I'll give you the lore that the Labyrinth of amala grants you but that's optional content and again not story.

That manakin had a decent idea but sadly got rekt by the edgy devianart sonic oc.

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>>382690079
That loser is a multimillionaire with back problems. Show some respect.

>>382690740
It's almost as if you didn't notice Chiaki's feelings of inadequacy or the fact that Imasu behaves like a tool to compensate for the fact that very few people like him. Don't forget Yuko's plans for redemption.

>>382689024
>people are still slaves and suffering in infernal Tokyo
Shit reality nice dream tho

>>382690894
The Manikins deserved their fate.

They were probably going to genocide the demons as payback for what the Mantra did.

>>382682953
Flynn and Nanashi would destroy Demi-fiend if you're talking about gameplay.

>>382691332
I see no problem with them doing that if they wanted to. Demons are assholes.

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>>382691397
Hahahahaha no. You are wrong child of Nintendo.

>>382689413
>It's actually deep and thought provoking and challenges the player to think critically about the Reasons.
We genuinely need to stop spreading this meme. Mainline SMT is packed with barely one-dimensional characters, absurd amounts of black-and-white morality, and laughable motivations. There's a reason why Law vs. Chaos discussions devolve into fun shitposting in about 1 post and most SMT discussion in general is power level discussions. SJ is one of the worst games in this regard and people hail it as "deep and mature" purely because the main cast are adults. Just enjoy the games for being absurd religious battles and leave them at that.

>>382691638
>Dies to lucifer
Fucking Aleph would do better.
>>382691332
>to genocide the demons
>bad

>>382691024
I enjoy it while you can since there will be on hiatus again in about 3-4 weeks or so.

>>382680149
Chaosfags in suicide watch, smt iv chaos route ends with Lucifer himself telling you to go become the Law because humans are too retarded not to kill themselves.

>>382691801
Nobody asked you to reply to me fucking bitch ass

>>382691638
DeSu2 protagonist is the strongest lore-wise.

>>382691638
Nanashi has higher stats, better demons, pierce, and can null elements too. Stop being retarded.

>>382691971
t.Bitch ass Messiah

>>382691897
Haven't you learned anything, both law and chaos are garbage.
You see it in both blasted and infernal tokyo.
Infernal tokyo begins to establish structure and order an in blasted tokyo every human just goea fuck god we will do what and not just die because he wants.us too.
It is like a pendulum when you swing too far to one side you will swing back to the other.

>>382691638
SMT Iv's perfect Uriel can rape him easily.

>>382691997
That depends on whether Canopus is stronger than *record scratch*. I know he's supposed to be equivalent to the great will but he sure as hell doesn't feel like it.

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>>382691997
This guy gets it both demi-fiend and nanashi are just smalltime in.the face of this pure unadulterated mass of weaponized autism.

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>>382691997
Says who? You?
>>382692041
In a one on one Demifiend would rip and tear that faggot ass fuccboi new asshole

>>382678617
>Smt is adult Pokémon
>A game way more shallow that other is for adults because it darker

>>382692328
What's the point of alignments at this point? Start to feel like bad ends as they go on making games (hell apocalypse cut the crap and made them that)

Is there an ending more retarded than the one in Devil Survivor 2 when the group decides to spend forever constantly fighting great will created ayy lmaos?

>>382692560
In a one on one battle any mainline protagonist would just recuit him and fuse him into a better demon. Shit he even loses to the DDS cast. What a fucking loser.

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>>382692876
>In a one on one battle any mainline protagonist would just recuit him and fuse him into a better demon.
This
This guy could make demifiend his bitch the moment he lays eyes on him.

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>>382692778
I dunno we'll soon see where they are going with this.

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>>382692560
>Phys Pierce vs All Pierce+High All Pleroma
And that's not counting him in Massacre, who Demifiend job against even with Big Lucy's help

>>382693270
Who was the mom?

>>382693270
Maybe they'll go down the DDS route and remove the choice to begin with and just set out to tell a (probably neutral biased) story.

>>382692560
DeSu 2 protagonist raped the great will, catually 2 great wills and controls the akashic record, femi-fiend jobed to Lucifer.

>>382692778
The alignments have been shit for ages now, SJ Law and Chaos are some of the shittiest endings in the series

>>382693460
Great Will is probably a million times stronger than canopus.

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Demifiend canonically beat Dante. Other Smt protag's can't compete.

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>>382693430
1 ending would be lame and that game would be shitposted to high hell for only having one route.
What I would like to see is something like a divine powers ending, I would have been totally down with fucking up YHVH with the shitting street god and his designated squad.

>>382692567
You're absolutely right but the social stigmas for smt aren't nearly as bad as something as mainstream as Pokémon. I'm kinda bored of the meta anyways

>>382693739
Did you even play the game?
Dante won, he could have killed demi fiend and stab him in the abdomen, but he spared him hell dante didn't even use his devil trigger forms or his other weapons.

>>382694009
Is Maitreya good? I'm raiding YHVH's house with fused toot toot and gold man right now

>>382672413
> SMT
> Flagship

SMT was just an evolutionary first step to get us to Persona. In your example chips would be the flagship title and humanity is the spinoff.

>>382694425
Mithra Buddha is pretty good, Odin and Krishna are S tier though.

>>382692778
>>382692778
IV:A debases the whole muh-routes retardedness completely.
Only the strong rule, so if you become strong you can do whatever the fuck you want

>>382694425
I never really used him, I did use toot and ultraman though.
Did you make Odin physical or magic?

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>smtfags and personaweebs will never mix

>>382694170
>I'm kinda bored of the meta anyways
Try the Vgc format if you haven't done it yet.

>>382694009
>Allow for joining law and chaos despite being out of tone for character and plot for early end
>can't join Krishna for not even the same thing type of ending or YVHV fght with Vishnu-Flynn, Mitra, Odin and Satan
Atlus dropped the ball there.

>>382695097
Put neo-persona.
The original two were closer to SMT than 3 onwards.

>>382694425
I never liked maitreya, his almighty attack w/ smirk didn't seem to do much dmg for me compared to the other demons like shiva

>>382695354
>The original two were closer to SMT than 3 and 4
fixed

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>>382692567
you're fucking retarded. I love competitive pokemon but the piss poor difficuly in the main games makes them SHIT, not to mention the lack of double battles especially in SM. SMT games have a great and simple battle system and the fusion element which makes it addictive and fun, way better than pokemon.

>>382695168
>YVHV fght with Vishnu-Flynn, Mitra, Odin and Satan
That would have been way too cool and you know we can't have nice things.

>>382693549
Canopus actually has feats of erasing a multiverse, the great will only empowered 4 messiahs.

>>382695556
Speaking of Pokemon, how is it that singles are so fun in pokemon with doubles and triples being shit but the reverse is the case for SMT?

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>>382695556
>not to mention the lack of double battles especially in SM.
Colossuem best pokemon game confirmed.

>>382675675
>Paying full price for a game
found the real reason you're so salty, poorfag

>>382695128
Thanks, I did try it, I really enjoyed it. But the megastones+attack stones ruined the fun of teambuilding for me

Why don't they just go for a full D&D alignment grid, or at least use dark, neutral and light to subsitute Evil, Neutral or Good?
Gives them the reason to bullshit the extremist Law and Chaos routes in SJ as bad in the spectrum and at least make all 3 equal in some regards with Good subtypes showing the routes in a positive light.
Though there's the issue of too much work to differenciate endings without probably cutting post lock playtime or bleeding in the same shit from the other 8 routes being reused with only thing different being end cutscene or dialogue.
Or no one picking said ends because Atlus fucks it up.
>>382695732
Pokemon is mostly build and "balanced" around single matches. Double's based moves or abilities generally are finiky and gimmicky and that EQ breaks it at times.
SMT is pretty much your basic RPG with a party, it's mostly based on your demons/human members doing specific roles or set ups or helping you with a fight

>mfw 104 hours in
>still trying to finish the first playthrough of P5
>getting bored

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>>382681303
>nintendtoddler
>is essential /v/ core alongside great games such as hl2 and deus ex
fucking kek

>>382695732
Doubles are not shit in Pokémon though, are much more complex than singles.

>>382696246
Where have you been? Pokemon had been balanced around doubles for years now. Singles is where Pokemon is unbalanced

>>382696434
Nah doubles are much shorter which is why they use the format for vgc.

>>382696246
SMT Nine has that (hence Nine in 9 alignments). The story is pretty interesting but everything else about it is 9/100

>>382696451
Well main game is what I feel like saying. i nearly forgot of VGC and most tourneys using doubles, where it's used.
Forgot it was sparser compared to single
Teams become more homogenised? But then that can be said with all match types then.

>>382691638
>we have one mainline game! it's 'our series'! xD
sonyfags are capable of ruining anything

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>>382695097
fixed

>>382696589
Which is another reason why doubles is better.
Stall is fucking cancer and it only really works in singles.

>>382696909
this thread is about Megaten, you have a whole board for this.
>>382696885
SMT still comes out on top, t b q h

>>382696675
I heard Majin Tensei 2 did that also.
>>382696909
How broken would competetive SMT be? Everyone running reflect all Jack frosts and spamming Jihad or using Pierce

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What did she mean by this?

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>>382697646
More like this

>>382672413
But there is an actual SMT 5 in development for PS4 and Switch.

>>382699293
>PS4
if you keep telling yourself that it might come true

>>382699398
Well that's how demons seem to be formed so maybe it will.

>>382672413
Words can't describe how happy I am that Monster Hunter World is coming to the PC and PS4. Now all we need is SMT to bre freed from the cancerous chains that is Shittendos underpowered consoles, then everything is perfect.

SMT HD project better come to PS4 and PC and not be a Switch exclusive.

>>382701298
It won't though.

>>382701298
Bait aside
>Monhun comes to PS4
>all threads go to shit
This is not a coincidence.

>>382701419
Because of falseflagging shitendofags

>>382681839
if you make him smirk you're fucked. Magaon.

>>382701602
Except that there was no shitposting when P3rd went to PSP.

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Reminder demifiend is the biggest fucking loser of all Megaten games.

>>382679252
Technically if that's true and all is part of the Great Will's plan then why's it matter if in the end I am still neutral? That's what the Great Will wants.