Is Sonic irredeemable at this point?

>>382617339
pretty much, its image is so intertwined with autism that it's practically a joke at this point.

>>382618062
I think the best thing the series can do (and seems to be doing) is making fun of itself and its fanbase. Sonic Boom is hilarious, the Sonic twitter is great, and Sonic Forces letting you make your own Sonic character is almost genius. Sonic is not a series that should've ever been taken seriously, so it's good they're finally realizing that. On top of that, Sonic Mania is shaping up to be the Sonic game fans have always wanted because it's made by a fan. I think Sonic is in a pretty good position right now compared to when they were doing shit like Sonic 06 and Sonic the Hedgehog 4.

Depends what you mean by irredeemable

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>>382617339
I thought so, up until last year.

>>382617339
The new modern game needs to fail and they need to finally make SA3. It would be hype enough to get attention and if it ended up good, sonic would be redeemed. This is the only way regardless of what you think of the adventure games.

>>382618792
no it's not it's fucking cringey
i bet you think wendy's le epic twitter edgy marketing is funny you fucking cuck

>>382619946
you are the only one affected by you being a joyless cunt

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>>382619832
>they need to finally make SA3
>if it ended up good
It wouldn't, not even by the incredibly low standards of your average Adventurecuck. It would be better than Heroes, Shadow, or 06, but not likely up to the standards set by Adventure's 1 and 2.

If Utopia's team and the Chao Hippotank people got together and were the Adventurefags' TaxStealth, then there'd be some hope.

But basically, all Sonic Team is good for is making their racing game. The problem is, they don't let it flourish as a fully-fledged racing game, and have thus yet to make a product around it that has enough of its own kind of content to justify a AAA game's full retail price.

You could have 3 teams making 3 quality games at the same time, on a regular schedule, yielding solid yearly releases for the franchise/brand. I have no fucking idea why they aren't doing this.

No, the developers are.

>>382619832
If they ever even attempted to make an SA3 they need to learn to make the campaign strictly 3D Sonic

No Boost, no Classic, no shitty inferior 2D sections made by assholes that can't make level design

But also no mech stages, no shitty treasure hunting, no gimmicky fishing or whatever. Just 3D platforming where you play as the characters and they all have some intelligence behind their design

Sonic Adventure was a good step into doing 3D Sonic. SA2 fucked it all up

>>382621325
SA2 was just a bunch of the same garbage though.

>>382617339
Not really

>>382621435
That's the problem, it was a bunch of the same garbage with minimal improvement and even more issues put into the game (they made the mech stages shittier and ruined the treasure hunting radar). Instead of making more Sonic stages they made more Mech and Hunting stages and bastardized Tails, who in SA1 was pretty much Sonic's gameplay but with a racing gimmick and flight

Also they thought Sonic should only have like 6 stages and made Shadow stages shit

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>>382619946
>unironically using "cringey" as a descriptor
>unironically using "cuck" as an insult
Please develop some self-awareness.

Fans will redeem blue nigger man
https://youtu.be/GnAEiubdBlk

>>382617339
Let the Mania team handle Sonic from now on and let Sonic Team create new, experimental IPs like they've obviously wanted to for over a decade now.

Sonic Team might actually create something enjoyable and passion-filled if they were freed from their current position of being a Sonic assembly line.

>>382617339
>>382619804
This. Mania pretty much convinced me that Sonic, with the right team of people, could be a great brand instead of a mediocre one.

>>382621918
This guy stomping every 5 seconds is really annoying

>>382623304
Stomping is a part of the SW engine, everytime you stomp you jump up higher. It's a game mechanic.

>downs sonic

man that's a blast from the past

>>382623551
That's retarded. What the fuck kind of physics are they going for. Next I bet we'll see turning 90 degrees on a dime and stopping in the middle of loops and curved surfaces.

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>>382623551
Just make it like the bounce bracelet. It saves it by not having an obnoxious sound effect tied to it as well as being more fluid.

>>382622580
is sonic the donald trump of video gaems?

>>382619804

Sonic's future isn't in the past with its head burred in the sand.

>>382623962
>implying I made the engine

Meh i never thought sonic died honestly. There was some duds in the transitional phases of the series but there was always something on the side or hope to have. Adventure created adventure 2 and heroes. Shadow sucked but sonic rush just came out to. Sonic 06 led to Sonic Unleasheds birth, one of the greatest games ever, which led to more fan favorites. Sonic 4 failed but that failure allowed Mania to exist today. Of course a bunch of negative virgins are going to see just that though, negativity.

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>>382624039
You're right. It's with OCs and unnecessary Classic mechanics in the supposed 3D games

Maybe if Sonic Team weren't incompetent asshats we wouldn't be praising the literal romhack Sega's trying to sell us

>>382624145
>implying I implied that you made the engine

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>>382617339
Sonic is associated with embarrasing rushed mascot games for kids. Sonic Team's best games will never be as liked as nintendo's best games. It might be time to fold in the cards. Kids aren't even aware of sanic anymore.

I don't think it's impossible, but its not very feasible. He would basically need a sequence of stellar games all in a row. Not a few decent ones immediately followed by shit like Sonic 4 Episode 2, Lost World and Boom.
Mania looks like it's gonna be good regardless though, so whatever.

>>382624039
Yeah, it's not Dimps' Sonic 4, that's been long established.

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Yes. Just have 2 series.
>2D games developed by Mania team.
>3D games developed by Sonic Team that go back to the Adventure style story, and gameplay but with polish. It's the closest we've got to Classic style gameplay in 3D.
Before you reply, let me explain
>Sonic actually has momentum
>When he rolls down a slope he gains speed and vice versa
>Spin dashing and jumping off a slope allows you to gain massive height, just like in the 2D games
>SA1 Sonic levels should be used as examples, since they focused on exploration instead of just going fast, as opposed to SA2's hallways.

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>>382624278
>Maybe if Sonic Team weren't incompetent asshats we wouldn't be praising the literal romhack Sega's trying to sell us

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>>382624526
My point exactly

Sonic's past is actually more refreshing and genuinely fun than anything we got since 4/Colors. It's actually a brighter future than what Sonic had 10 years ago

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>3 different teams making 3 different games
>staggered development, so each year sees one of them release a game
>Classicfags, Adventurecucks, and Boostbabbies all simultaneously pandered to without any of the games suffering from an identity crisis
Is there anyone this setup wouldn't satisfy?

Sonic was never good. I don't want to have to memorize entire levels just to enjoy its main schtick which is going fast.

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>>382625720
Never play a 2D platformer

Only if they killed off everyone past Sonic Advance 2, and then made Sonic Adventure 3
And no fucking side scrolling parts in it like they've been doing.
And put chao raising in SA3 as well.

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>>382624151
>Shadow sucked

>>382626620
>shadow was good

>>382626620
Heroes and Shadow had some bad design choices in functionally solid games

Mostly having to beat the game so many times just to unlock le true ending they had been doing since Adventure, but because the gameplay was streamlined it wasn't so much doing a separate story mode with different gameplay styles as it was replaying the game enough times until the game said, "Okay, here you go"

Sonic games in that era made getting the final boss a complete chore. The Advance games were the absolute worst with it

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>>382626939
Can't argue with violence in a series traditionally about a blue cuck hamster.

>they almost reached greatness with most of sonic levels, rewarding a little bit of exploring and at least trying to make some branching paths
>instead of giving tails sonic levels he just got his own short levels
>instead of giving knuckles actual levels they gave him a strange gimmick that nobody asked for
>they could've made amy enjoyable to play if they just made her acceleration slightly higher and make it so that turning doesn't tank her speed
>Gamma and big exist
Sonic adventure 1 could've been so much more.

>>382624526
>mania
>overhauls

mania is called a romhack because edited level layouts is something any retard can do. During the early years of sonic rom hacking that was all you could do and that got old fast. Now you can't even enter layout edits into Sonic Retro's contest because that's how absolutely simple it is to do it.

>comparing mania and generations on revisiting old locations
that guy who made that post needs to be shot. copy, pasting, and editing pixel art where most of the work is already done for you is nowhere near the same as the modeling and texturing of a 3D stage.

>>382627231
I just think shadows a dumb character. Sonic as the werehog or with a sword just resonates with me much better for combat than shooting guns and falling over tragically like in shadow. Just compare how enemies animated and died in shadow and unleashed at night. One is dramatic and bizarrely sad, the other is comical and lively.

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>>382619804
It'll be good, but let's be honest, it won't turn around the franchise as a whole.

>>382627316
Mania has plenty of new assets and even the revisited zones have edits.

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>>382627303
Gamma was alright for having the ability to play as an Eggman robot for the first time and all the other characters never overstayed their welcome because they would have 5 stages at the most. Sonic himself had 10

But they should've followed the S3&K mentality of level design for the later 3D games. Make levels for Sonic and have the other characters be able to explore and find hidden goodies

>>382627389
Shadow was a product of fan popularity (which at the time was thanks to being literally another Sonic when the rest of the game was full of shitty gimmicks)

Sonic Heroes bringing him back was the start of decline, even if it did invent best character

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>>382627389
Kid, you got no idea what you're talking about. Best shut your punk ass up before I shove my glock down your throat.

>>382627490
and I will give credit where credit is due. the original zones look fantastic and look like a lot of love and effort was put into them.

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Heh, it seems that evil is still very, very present in this world and that I, a Sonic Hero, is the force needed to stop it. Some of you may remember me, I'm the one who declared myself a sole protector of /v/, an onlooker, one who watches from the shadows and attacks when the time is right... Well now's the time to put these dumb niggers in their place.
>>382618792
You're a ugly balding 40 year old tasteless virgin. It's no wonder that you don't appreciate Sonic at the height of it's full glory. You're a prime example of the fact that you don't have to be a nigger to be a nigger. First off, making fun of itself and it's fanbase is the worst thing the series can do. Sonic Boom is fucking shit, the Sonic twitter sucks, and Sonic Forces looks terribad too. Sonic IS a series that should be taken seriously, so it's bad that they're doing the opposite right now. Mania is a shitty uninspired nostalgia-cash in and the only people who will by it are fucking ugly pieces of shits who wouldn't know what a real good Sonic game is even if decked them in the fucking face multiple times. Sonic is in a bad position right now, his best era was from 1998-2009.

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>>382628519
>his best era was from 1998-2009.

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>>382628519
Imagine being THIS dedicated to shitposting. It transcends autism and becomes it's new condition.

>>382628519
You are right in most things however

>1998-2009

It should be 1992-2009

the games have some chance of eventually being good, the fanbase doesn't

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>>382626620
This

>>382628967
The correct answer is 1991-2005

Shadow was shit, but Rush was the last solid game for a long, long while. Sonic had been hit or miss since 2001

>>382629196
No its 1992-2009. Sonic 1 was shit. Sonic Rush Adventure and Sonic Unleashed were good. The storybook games, while not good at all, at least preserved Sonic's character and made for some quirky sidestories.

>>382628519
Mania looks like it'll be better than the actual old Sonic games. Forces looks like 06 all over again though.

>>382629306
>Sonic 1 was shit
>Sonic Rush Adventure was good

What planet. How can you have the patience to shift through shit tons of dialogue and not be able to hop and skip through Marble or Labyrinth Zone? Preserving Sonic's character doesn't mean shit when Secret Rings is arguably as bad as 06

Unleashed is hit or miss for people. It started the 3D Boost shit but at least it was actually playable. But you have it to thank for Colors, Generations and Forces trying to play it so safe

>>382628967
Sonic ranged from mediocre to fucking garbage from like 1995 until 2010. I will never understand how the series has survived.

>>382629454
Mania has more rehashed stages than new ones. And the new ones don't look all that great either. The game looks like shit and it's an easy 4/10, absolutely nothing special. But of course, the easily impressionable, mindless drone virgin nigger bastards on this board and pretty much everywhere else are over glorifying the fuck out of it. And 06 is better than Forces, lol. At least 06 doesn't have the unnecessary inclusion of Classic Sonic. At least 06 doesn't have a extremely shitty looking OC maker. At least 06 isn't a shitty boost game. At least 06 has a better artstyle, etc.. I could go on. Forces and Mania are the fucking embodiment of the poor design choices that Sega and Sonic Team are making nowadays.

Sonic is fine. Sonic has weathered worse storms like surviving the demise of its console exclusivity following the death of the Dreamcast.

Sonic is a household name.

It's Sega that's the problem.

>>382629581
Labyrinth zone is the worst level in the entire series. There is nothing that comes as close as being boring as that level. Its probably the shittiest level I have played in any sidescroller period. Secret Rings sucked but at least Sonic was still Sonic. Unleashed was 11/10 and nu males like you can praise games like Sonic Colors and go on how much you love those 2D spring bouncing levels thanks to it.

>>382629581
Unleashed is bogged down with a ton of stupid bullshit much like pretty much every modern Sonic game before it, so people not liking it is justified.

Colors may not have had as good level design, but it at least trimmed the fat and didn't make you do a bunch of stupid shit.

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>>382629694
You will never understand because the series isn't for you. But you don't have to be a piece of fucking SHIT because of the fact.

>>382629881
I enjoy plenty of Sonic games, but I can still admit when a game is shit.

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>>382629819
I fucking hate Colors though. And Unleashed gave it the idea that 2D platforming was a good idea to add in the 3D games to "revive" Sonic

>>382629836
It did if you wanted S Ranks, Red Rings for Chaos Emeralds or for the game to not be so incredibly short

But the main game was bare bones and invented the Wisps which should have stayed in Colors

>>382629836
Fuck you faggot, I like it when my Sonic games have added depth to them. The reason Colors is so god awful is because it took away all of those things. That's a bad thing. Fuck you and anyone who thinks otherwise. Your sorry ass excuse of opinions are not worth a shit.

>>382629754
Post a picture of yourself.

I wanna see the man behind the legend.

How's the knight game? The medieval Sonic game?

>>382629937
Why do I have to "admit a game is shit" when it isn't shit? Retard

>>382630008
What fucking depth? It's never more than fucking padding. I don't want to sit through a 20-hour game for a platformer when all of the actual platforming only takes three.

You can have a decent story, a hub world, or whatever the fuck without it taking away from the main part of the game. Lots of games do. The problem is that Sonic doesn't do any of that shit or it never does it well. Unleashed is basically the problems of every other Sonic game with a nice coat of paint over it

>>382630317
No balls.

>>382630232
Pretty weird- I wouldn't really recommend it. I thought Secret Rings was really good, but the subsequent games kinda went off in bad directions.

>>382630281
Unleashed was also the first game that started taking away characters to focus solely on Sonic because Sega weren't able to make different gameplay styles anymore without them turning to garbage

Unleashed was the true kickstart of modern Sonic streamlining the games into the bare minimum they are these days, and Sonic 06 being so shitty was the death of the original Sonic the Hedgehog series

>>382630497
The different gameplay styles were always pointless garbage so I don't get what you're complaining about here. Unleashed focusing on Sonic is one of the good things about it.

Different characters is fine, but throwing everything out the window every time you switch characters is fucking awful game design and screams "we don't have enough here for a full game so let's just throw in this shit"

>>382629937
Why do you have to admit a lie? Why are you such a piece of shit that can't form his own actual opinion? If you're as irredeemable as you're making yourself look, then fuck off from playing this series ever again and never look back you dumb ass.

>>382630007
The 2D levels in Unleashed were actually very well designed and made good use of Boost Sonic's abilities. They realized the strengths of the abilities Sonic had and made levels with that. For the Act 1s, when the camera switched, it was the same level just at a different perspective. The camera was also much more dynamic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgGZiMtnXWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lx2IzyAdBg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DatPR6ayMwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk9_svgjkzM

Just compare this shit. SU had way better level design than SC

>>382630450
You mean it was a sequel? I'm not a Sonic fan. I don't know anything deep about the series.

Just here to learn shit for no reason other than I like video games in general.

>>382630735
Except that isn't the mindset behind it at all. You're so stupid that it's actually making me sit here shaking uncontrollably with anger. I really want my fists to connect with your face an ungodly amount of times. What state do you reside in my man? Maybe you can relieve my uncontrollable aching to give you a ass beating

>>382630859
Have you ever been diagnosed with a mental disorder?

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>>382630735
They weren't always garbage. Tails being a Sonic that can fly, Knuckles being a Sonic that can glide. Those are good, but now it's just Sonic slams his face into a bunch of enemies but fast. It's nothing like the older games

Sonic Team are just incompetent that they never realized this and have been relying on only Sonic nowadays

>>382630769
It started the problem, and it devolved due Unleashed's Werehog gimmick taking away from the good aspects of Unleashed

>>382630859
Autism

>>382629754
did you even play 06?

artstyle was garbage and had no consistency, sure it didnt have boost but it also lacked any amount of good or polished gameplay.

Silver levels alone make the thing a 0/10 even if the rest of the game gave me a blowjob while I played it.

>>382630780
yes and no, the "storybook series" is Sonic and the Secret Rings and then The Black Knight. It's a bit of a stretch to call it a perfect sequel- it's sort of the same set up with two completely different stories.

>>382629754
t. guy who never played Sonic 06.

>>382631036
Did The Black Knight have a lot of melee combat? Was the combat deeper than Unleashed? I remember Sonic having a sword and suit of armor.

>>382630859
>Except that isn't the mindset at all
Except it totally is because they realized how time consuming it was to make 3D Sonic levels and needed to pad the game out so kids didn't beat the game in an hour.

No other fucking games do this. I don't know why Adventurebabies latch onto this idea so hard. If any other developer pulled this shit then they'd be ripped apart, but it's okay for Sonic Team to do it.

If all of the characters used the same core mechanics with their on abilities and had different levels or branching paths that took advantage of this then it'd be fine. The problem is that shit needs to be designed well and Sonic Team has been incompetent as fuck for the last twenty years

>>382630982
Yeah. They were good in the classic games because they played the fucking same with unique abilities. The game didn't turn into a different shitty game entirely just because you picked Knuckles.

>>382630984
You're the one who's giving the game a blowjob, not the other way around, lmao. And the artstyle was great, I loved it. I also will agree that the game is a piece of shit when it comes to gameplay, but in every other department it's god tier. The story, music, graphics are all good.

>>382631183
Nah. In Secret Rings and Black Knight you mostly just run forward through the levels. In Black Knight you just waggle to seeing your sword as you run and you can slice through obstacles and enemies.

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>>382631359
It wasn't so bad in SA1 because Knuckles' campaign was super short and easy. But SA2 really fucked it up by making the stages too big and ruining the radar. Then 06 killed Treasure Hunting in general (thankfully)

It's amazing how they have no clue why the first few games' multiple characters worked. They had it close in Sonic Heroes, only to fuck it up by blocking you from the final boss just cause you don't feel like playing Team Dark or getting the Chaos Emeralds in those God awful Special Stages

>>382631478
Autism

>>382631478
The game looked awful, everyone had shit designs, and you'd have to be autistic as fuck to think for a second that any of the story was remotely decent

Why doesn't SEGA axe and replace Sonic Team? I bet you could take any major developer and make a better game. They've proven over and over again that they can't be relied on to make good games. Seems like SEGA needs a fresh start.

It's that or Sonic just doesn't work in a 3D setting.

>>382631240
Oh please. The genesis games did the exact same shit. The only levels worth playing in sonic 1 is green hill and star light. Sonic 2 is the longest game yet the second half of it sucks ass. Sonic 3 has marble garden and carnival night. Sonic and knuckles is just bland as fuck in general. Mushroom hill, flying battery, and sandopolis are boring as shit. Since youre speaking of kids, thats who seemed like designed sonic CD. Its vomit from a preschool

>>382631542
lol. Fucking Wii controls.

>>382631676
A true 3D "Classic" Sonic has never been attempted. Sonic World in Sonic Jam was just a glorified menu, SA1 and 2 were tacked on with shitty gameplay gimmicks, and then they never even attempted afterwards

Nobody wants to take the risk

>>382631742
Autism

>>382631676
You're an idiot. Sonic in 3D is better than he was in 2D. Sonic Team HAVE proven over and over again that they can do it. Again, you're an idiot. No other developer would do him justice.

>>382631742
That's not the point at all. All of the levels still play the same in the Genesis games whether you like certain levels or not. It's not like the Adventure games where they throw everything out the fucking window every other level

>>382631940
I would rather play emerald hunting than ever touch flying battery, oil ocean, or labyrinth again. You classicucks need to stop speaking for everyone else

>>382631839
You're the one who's truly autistic tho

Anyone else disappointed that Forces is back to the boost?
I kind of liked the fact that Lost World actually felt like a 3D platformer even though the game itself had some shitty design choices.

>>382631742
>The only levels worth playing in sonic 1 is green
Stopped reading right here, stop this meme

>>382632028
Scrub

>>382632035
Autism

>>382632052
Lost World's controls weren't inherently fucked, but the design mentality behind that game certainly was

>>382632028
Then they should make a game about emerald hunting instead of bogging down other games.

>>382618792
I can agree with this but the Sonic Genesis games definitely had a serious tone to them. Not the marketing, the actual games.

>>382631910
You dislike 2D Sonic 'cause you grew up playing the Adventure games. That shit's before your time. We get it.

Maybe you should give them a fair shake one day. There's no reason you can't change your mind and appreciate Sonic in all his glory.

>>382632028
classicucks are the most deluded dumb fucks on this planet m8

>>382632028
>I would take play a shitty, broken piece of shit than a well-made game released ten years before I was born
We get it, kid.

>>382621669
Hey.
Sky Rail is pretty good.

>>382632149
Lol nope. That's another common assumption you classicucks love to make. I played the fucking shit out of the 1, 2 and 3&K through the Mega Collection on my gamecube. They're decent games, but very, VERY overrated by faggots like you. Sonic in 3D just works better. Fucking idiots like getting off by saying the 3D games are bad then glorifying the 2D ones. The most pathetic, ass backwards shit I've ever seen and it's spouted constantly. I won't fall for your evil ways.

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>>382632515
You're diagnosed autistic, aren't you? Be honest.

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>>382632515
Play a 3D Mario game, Crash, a collectathon or something, 3D Sonic after Adventure 2 always had janky as fuck controls that barely worked. If they didn't people wouldn't be shitting on them in the first place

Even Boost controls are pretty weak when you're not bumrushing through hoards of enemies

>>382632138
Doesnt bog down for me. It enhances

>>382632347
>its old so its le good!

No

>>382632789
>thinks it's bad because it's old

>>382632623
Kill yourself. Reason you're changing the subject is because I've made you look so retarded that you're speechless.
>>382632721
Except that's a fucking meme complaint spouted by retards who need to git gud. That meme is so exaggerated. It's nowhere near as a big a problem as you cocksuckers are trying to make it out to be. I had a blast playing Heroes. I was appreciating everything about it, not worrying about asinine things like that. Kill yourself

>>382632515
I hadn't started out with the classic games, but I sure as hell enjoy them more than most of the other games I've played.

Plus, you're shitposting was only fun the first time you did it. It's time to stop it m8.

>>382633172
You are a literal fucking child, it's amazing how much you're willing to defend mediocre, decade old games that people have shat on

You should try your own suggestions. Bleach is cheap

>>382632849
>thinks its good because its genesis sonic

>>382630008
Only single time sonic game got added depth was when it got 3D in SA1

>>382633424
Except Heroes isn't mediocre, it's a great game that still is a blast to play to this today. It's amazing how much that game represents my life.

>>382634169
Wait a second...are you the guy whose dad is a Sonic Hero?

>>382634386
Holy shit, am I famous?

>>382634639
No, just annoying

>>382634858
That's my line you cocksucker. You're all conniving evil bastards that I'm aching to put in your places.

BIND YOU, CONFINE YOU, DEFYING YOUR REIGGGGGGGGGGGGGNNNNNNN

>>382635073
The only line of yours that's worth any concern is the one straight into the trash.

If the Crush 40 song shreds hard none of that other shit matters.

>>382635414
That's my line yet again. You honestly shouldn't even be given any time to speak. Everything that comes out of your mouth is a load of shit.

>>382635501
When's the last time Crush 40 did the main theme for a Sonic game? They hardly seem to work on the series anymore

I miss them. The remixes in Generations weren't enough

>>382635529
A load's better than a ton as far as I'm concerned. I guess the only thing you're better than me at is how much you exude fecal matter.

>>382635790
I'm better than you at everything. Even right now you're doing a great job at exuding fecal matter as you say. That's all you can do, all say and no do. I'd manhandle you irl. Stop being a conniving piece of shit, it's better for you if you aren't.

Heroes will make you miserable if you do not do the research.
Gravity is higher on rails so if you jump off a rail you will often want to reset gravity by executing a power formation flight.
If you hold B during the blue tornado it will pop you out the top higher than usual.
If you switch from speed to flight formation your power character will fall behind then slam into your tower trying to grab on, causing you to lose all your speed. Always switch to power before flight to maintain your speed.
You can switch from speed to power formation during a light dash and your power character will come out moving at high speed. Immediately perform power formation flight to continue moving at high speed.
The lightspeed attack is never fucking explained anywhere. Press B to kill anything in one hit during the cooldown of a Team Sonic Team Blast. Tails is the best at killing shit with the light attack.
If you kick off an edge in speed formation you can jump if you input the jump before the kick animation ends.
Switch from flight to power on the same frame you thundershoot to gain 33% of a team blast meter. It really is 33% - you need to do it 4 times to get a full team blast meter.
Big the Cat can use bent gravity to fly like the Pyramid Cave snake skip.

>>382636006
I mean, you're not doing much else than I am. I would've thought this would be more fun to do, but most of what you say is boring retreaded shit.
>all say and no do
Would like to see something from you
I'm getting kinda tired, so I'll just leave you be.
I'm not gonna spend all my time here, unlike this corkscrew wench.

>>382636420 IS UNABLE TO CONTINUE.
YOUR WINNER, AND NEW REAL NIGGER HOURS SONIC THREAD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD,
>>382636006
!!!

>>382636614
WOOHOO!!

They sure tried a lot and still are never sure what exactly they or other people expect from the franchise.

>original Sonic was lighthearted with Sonic fighting some silly robot dude to save peaceful animals
>Sonic SATAM has Robotnik as a cold metalheart monster who rules everything with an ironfist and all Sonic can do is occasionally blowing up a few machines but that's it
>Sonic Underground went a similar route except the thing got canned and they also failed with the shitty 2COOL4SCOOL 90S shit and OCs
And of course there are modern versions that are mostly just silly or generic.

Not sure why SEGA never tried to give the franchise some form of consistency.

>>382637919
I think it comes from them never having an idea what they wanted in the first place. Sonic started as an enemy for Mario and just continued to make shit up as they went along

Then back in the 90s, American localization wasn't the best and would try to make up its own stories with the games that had little to no real relevance to what the real designers intended. Sega also let Dic make two different cartoons (AoStH and SatAM) with two completely different tones based off the games, so consistency was just nowhere to be found

Now it really doesn't matter. Sega just uses Sonic as a way to get easy money

>>382625375
DrRobotnik'sMeanBeanMachineEbins

>>382629306
Wrong, it was 1984-1991
Flicky and Rad Mobile are the only good games
When will the rest of you learn?