TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT

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>>382588871
>axe with the best riff can't be used on 99.9% of maps

The update is dropping on a Sunday? Really?

...Thursday is the night.

It's been a few years since I've been TF2 addicted, but I still remember NIGHTS always being on thursday.
I could see it happening this thursday, but it's certainly not happening tonight.

July 6th i bet

thursday and after summer sale ends

>>382588871
HERE WE GO

IT'S UP

http://www.teamfortress.com/jungleboogie/

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>update on a sunday

>>382590789
Holy Shiiiiiiiiit

>>382590789
Nice trap

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>>382590789

>live tomorrow

HAHAHAHA

Anon who quit TF2 in 2013 due to entering Uni, is the Pyro Update a good reason to get back into the game?

>>382590789
>those balance changes

Well back to Overwatch

>>382590607
Would make sense to save it for after the Summer Sale.

>>382588871
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=29770

you weren't lying!

>>382591254
It's not here yet retard

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>>382591076

>>382591254
Don't know anything about it yet. Honestly, just download it and give it a try.

Jesus Christ have they still not made this update? That contest was an age ago.

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>tfw literally everyone in my friends list including me played tf2 all the time
>csgo comes and everyone stops playing tf2 forever, including me.
>haven't seen anyone playing tf2 in my friends list for the longest time
it's a shitty game

http://www.teamfortress.com/grenadeupdate/

>>382589345
thursday updates are so 5 years ago

>>382591860
so is csgo

>>382592403
Yes, all nu-valve games are terrible and they are all gambling simulators in the core.

I sold all my items and quit a year or two ago, whats happening?

It's like valve doesn't care anymore about the game, they're nerfing good things and buffing a little some unused weapons...

>>382591860
Why the fuck is CSGO so popular? It's genuine trash, and I can't fathom how people want to play on shitty de_dust as their only map for 2000+ hours. TF2 had variety at least, how CSGO killed TF2 off will always confuse me. It's was more of a TF2 killer than Overwatch ever was in terms of popularity and yet it still such a bland game.

>>382593551
i guess... Normies?

I GOTTA FEELIN'

>>382593742
>normies
It's normalfags newfag

>Played TF2 on ps3 all the time
>Really small community but it was great
>Recently bought a mid-range "gaming" laptop, but I just liked the specs so I got it
>Decide to download TF2 for the hell of it
>Play it with a controller (spare me the mouse&keyboard>controller, I know it's better for aiming but I don't care)
>Kill a few people in a random server
>People don't shut the fuck up on their mics, they aren't even talking about anything happening in-game
>Mute everything forever
>Refuse to spend money to upgrade my inventory size
>Refuse to wear hats and other garbage
>Only use the first wave of new weapons

I've probably deleted some expensive or rare items but I legitimately give no fucks. If you ever see a Spy or Scout with no cosmetics and vanilla loadout, that's probably me. I miss the vanilla days and I don't care if you hate me for it.

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>>382593504
>they're nerfing good things
>dds
>cola
>dead ringer
>atomizer
>razorback
>vita saw

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Please for the love of god make this thing useful again. This was the funnest shit to quick switch to. Also hype about the darwins danger shield nerf. I can finally snipe on 2fort again

>>382593551
Normie e-sports and people who used to play 1.6 back in the day moving to the newest version

>>382594136
I respect your determination.

>>382594451
nigga the shield is giving 50% resistance to fire to the sniper, not -50%

>>382595547
Stop being retarded for like 2 seconds

>>382595170
This.

>>382593504
Nerfing OP things you mean

>>382588871
THE NIGHT OF LOVE

>>382595547
By that I mean I'm glad I can finally headshot the guys who use the dds on 2fort

>>382594169
>that one blatantly obvious dead ringer spy who gets caught by the pyro and then uses the speed boost and afterburn immunity to get away unpunished by anybody on your team
Sorry - did i say one? I meant all of them.

They better nerf the ubersaw.

>>382596405
Nerf it so instead of 25% on hit its 5%?

>>382596405
they should fix it's name

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>cashed out all my unusuals and australiums a year ago
>no fancy stuff to go back to
do people at least still get mad if you disguise as a gibusvision and dominate them?

>>382593551
What are you talking about? TF2 and CS:GO are nothing alike other than the fact that they are first-person shooters. CS requires careful positioning and strategy while TF2 requires fast reaction times and plays more like an arena shooter. CS:GO is trash, but it's not the reason the TF2 player numbers are stagnant.

>>382596461
10-15% on hit seems reasonable imo.

>>382596489
What's wrong with the name?

>>382596405
If you let a medic melee you than you're retarded

>>382596587
I don't think that will ever change.

>>382588871
There's nothing coming on Sunday retard. Valve doesn't even work on Sunday.

>>382596587
Never mind that, do people still get mad if you wear the halo?

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post your fat comrades

>>382596973
nobody knows about the halocaust anymore, so no

It won't be this week, I feel like it will come out towards the end of the month instead.

>>382588871
Not yet. The TF team rarely ever updates on the weekends unless it's a small patch before a holiday. Thursday is more likely

>>382596973
Still mad I never got one in the second giveaway

>403 FORBIDDEN

http://www.teamfortress.com/junglefever/

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>>382596990

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>>382596990

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>>382597659
>>382590789

>New update
>Vanilla TF2
>Proper balance updates, no item bullshit, just classic TF2

>>382597907
kys

>>382597907
>muh classic TF2

Get fucked lmao

>>382597856
nice

>>382592663
This applies to most if not all "E-sports" games nowadays. Why put out actual content when you can take a shit in loot boxes /crates/cases and stick a super rare turd so retards will empty their wallets to feel special? If people start whining about the game feeling stale just tweak some numbers and maybe throw in a map or something. Then the fanboys will fellate you and commend you on making the game feel fresh again leading to more $$$

>>382597907
Disgusting, I have something better.
>every weapon is balanced
>option to disable loading of hats for performance gains
>add new gamemode with green and yellow team with 48-64 max players in a big map

>>382597907
If only, I miss the good ol days of tf2

>>382598630
You had me until 48-64 max.

>>382598721
I dont know, if the source engine could handle all the effects and the net code wouldn't choke it could work.

>>382597907
People have had vanilla tf2 servers and shut them down because no one plays on them.

>>382597907
xbox tf2 is the best tf2
airblast begone

>>382594136
>it's 2017
>people care about red-colored names on weapons now
I only spent 50 cents on a huntsman to go premium with the expanded inventory because I'm a weapon hoarder and want all the normal ones. All hats I own are either crafted by me, drops, or trades with friends.
I'll never get the appeal of unusuals either.

>>382598630
They should really let you disable all cosmetics (including unusual and killstreak effects). There's no reason why they can't add the option and leave it on by default. Unfortunately, since this is nuValve they'd probably make you buy a pair of goggles to do so and call it retrovision or some shit. they'd only be visible to anyone not using them.

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>>382596990

>>382599049
Collectors are mostly meme shit i should know, i have one
Unusuals i could get cause Its moving particles on you own hat and the rarity of it makes it expensive

>>382599105
>There's no reason why they can't add the option and leave it on by default

Yes there is. My hat costs money. You have to either look at it or resort to some buggy workaround that breaks every update.

>>382599315
Ugly as fucking sin

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>>382597146
Pretty good anon, all it needs is the Poker Night item

>>382599315
Bear and jaw is cool I haven't seen that before. Waste of the second misc though.

why do gay furries like to play pyro so much?

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>>382597146
Man i really wished i played this fuck
2nd least played next to engie

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>>382599602
you'll love my spy then

>>382599842
>why do furries like playing a character with a suit that covers his entire body
Hmm

>>382599926
Spy can equip the baggy pants? What the fuck?

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>>382599845
Mine

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>>382599845
fuck i meant to post my shit heavy and subconsiously posted my demo, who is my 2nd most played.
im tired

>>382599626
Deleted mine back in 2013 and you can trade untradable items via giftwrap anymore.

>>382599424
But I plain, geniunely don't get it
Why are you burning your money with literally cosmetic items
Granted, you can grind and do all sorts of shit to obtain one without spending actual cash like sharking and crafting the hell out of your drops, but that takes eons to do
And the unusual itself most of the time it's screaming "LOOK AT ME I'M SPECIAL", very, very rarely it's an actual appealing effect that you can mix with the hat itself
Maybe it's just my poorfaggotry speaking, but I dunno. I'd rather have a bunch of weapons and cheap hats than that flamboyant abomination

>>382600038
>>382600168
>make an item that's clearly meant for one class and fits his style
>valve allows all classes to equip it anyway

that's modern TF2 for you

>friend quit tf2 years ago
>gave me his strange piss rifle with an amazing name and description
>still my most used weapon for sniper
I want to play TF2 again just to use it again.

>>382600324
I feel you anon, i used to be all about getting an unusual and by the time i got a nuts and bolts one by trading a Strange Shovel, i just didnt care anymore.
Most new cosmetics dont interest me anymore except for a select few but i already perfected my loadout for my most played so now i work on Stranges and the KS for them

>>382600538
what name and desc

>>382600628
It's called "Urine my sights!" and the desc is "Go take a leak." 2k kills and counting...

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>>382600397
>allowing more classes to equip said item increases the price of item, benefiting Valve and the sellers
No my friend, this is modern Valve for you.

>>382600538
You should play again since they buffed it to jarate in an area on headshot or fully charged bodyshot.

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>>382600841
That's "boomstick" tier of unoriginal

>>382600397
but when it released, wasnt it made for Scout, Heavy and Demo?

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>>382600967
how about this

party hat btw

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>>382600628
>>382600967

>>382600841 is not me, I can't tell because it's from my old friend, unique only to me.

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>>382601058
LIT AF BRUH

>>382599002
just get team fortress 2 classic and disable it through a server command

>>382596751
>hurr second fastest class in the game going for melee isn't viable hurr durr
>if you have 75% you can hit and run
>if your enemy is a stupid spy you are guaranteed 50% uber for free

The Ubersaw is broken and any faggot Medic main (LOL!) that denies it it's a retard.

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>>382601075
>(You) is not me

Many a true word is spoken in jest

Does anybody have that screencap of when gun mettle came out and some anon said he "almost bought CS:GO. Almost."?

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>>382601186
Sorry Medic is the best class in the game

Maybe you should get good.

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>>382601691

>>382601186
I used to main medic when community servers were big. Now it's all matchmaking so I just go soldier and do it on my own.

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>>382601617
No need when he's getting mad nerfed next update because he is indeed the best class in the game and probably the one true crutch for bad players.

So move aside, medic boy, it's TEXAS MAN time to shine.

>>382601691
i thought the spy couldnt equip the Golden Pan

6 more days and it will be a full year since Meet your Match

>>382593551
it's pretty fun when you play competitive with a few mates for shits and giggles, apart from that, it's kind of a piece of shit

t. stuck in silver eternally

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>all these new servers that were put up today
>they all have World 11 in the name
>a bunch of community creators and devs were playing on a private server with a new payload map that was renamed as pl_thundermountain to hide it
>there are currently 10 payload maps in matchmaking
>a new payload map would make it 11
>World 11

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>>382601906
>heal demoman second best class
>doesnt even take an uber to take out an engi
Just be glad the only thing keeping the engi from being the worst class is pyro.

>>382602073
How do you get your game to look this good? i always have my settings on max but it never looks this good.

>>382602335
Well the engie could just equip the Short circuit and push the demos shit in

>>382602335

*cocks widowmaker*
what did you just say?

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>>382602217
really makes you think...

>>382602469
short circuit needs a buff, it's honestly useless as fuck compared to the wrangler

>>382602714
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PTsHX2p4KE

this is what happened the last time they buffed it

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>>382602469
>using short circuit

>>382603098
it's still ass in the video, what are you trying to prove?

>>382603073
Stickies make demo boring. This is why I demoknight with a bottle.

>>382603305
Disregard that faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_pTnrap_mQ

>>382591372
another community update since the team that work in tf2 is almost null.

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>>382603148
>using demoknight

>>382603098
Honestly it was fine back here, faggot Demos and Soldiers acted like bitches and got it nerfed.

>>382603098
It was pretty funny watching Uber Engies cause havoc for awhile.

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>>382603646
>*charges behind u*

>>382601186
>getting uber off of disguised spies
So you don't play Medic ever, right?

>>382603929
>*sentry blows u away*
heh, job well done...

>>382593551
Counter-Strike was the original big multiplayer shooter and arguably the first e-sport, it started vacuuming players off of Quake precisely because of the team angle. I guess after the relatively hectic state of TF2's peak people just got attracted to something simpler.

That and all the shady micros transaction stuff.

>>382598282
>>382598227
>can't come up with an actual reason why current year tf2 is better

>>382603148
iron bomber
tide turner
pain train

>>382604202
Starcraft came first though

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>>382604172
>*it's a hologram*

>>382604148
>wait till he tried to butterknife you
>wait till he tries to shoot and misses

Man that was hard

>>382604208
people can't because the game development stopped,that pyro update looks fishy and nothing new is coming except overhaul of one of the easiest class to play and kill.

>>382604405
Ah eyes, the weapon is OP because players are retarded. Better nerf the KGB, eyelander, or any weapon that isn't the stock because retards are easy to melee.

>>382602342
motion blur

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>>382604373
>*its a dead ringer*
*SNORT* What did they expect...

>>382604208
>more maps
>more game modes
>engineer can carry buildings and upgrade EVERYTHING to level 3
Just to name a few

>>382604618
Yes, because what's broken about the Ubersaw is the fact that you hit people with it, right.

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>>382596990
I don't know how to fix the missing pupils.

>>382604618
I bet you like MOBAs and their retarded punish you and reward the enemy for your teammates mistakes design, don't you?

>>382603448
My biggest killstreak with the demo was the ullapool caber in a vent full of enemies with 10 health. I can still hear their autistic screeching to getting killed by a broken ullapool caber to this very day.

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>>382588871
>tfw I miss threads like these
thanks, op

>>382604821
>play team game
>someone on your team is bad
>it benefits the enemy team
WOOOOOOOOOW THIS IS TOTALLY ABSURD

>>382605007
Because snowballing is good gameplay isn't it?

>>382604978
>>382588871
Agreed It's nice to find TF2 discussions on sites other than r/tf2

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>>382596990

>>382605221
It's fine and has existed for over half a decade with no problems. In the end, you're just a whiny bitch making up hypothetical situations to make an argument.

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>>382605260
>Heh "Yuri's Revenge"
>Wait that's the item's real name
>And it's been in the game for 4 years

tonights not the night

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>>382606905
>we are going to have this thread everyday until it drops

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>>382605260
>>382606220
I'm a massive fan of Yuri's Revenge and i'm surprised i never noticed this.

>>382607085
Please do not post cock vore.

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post heavy ordinance man

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>>382607085
Is that a penis?

>>382601837
>INTENTIONAL
This will never not be funny to me.

>>382596461
rather than nerfing the uber on hit, do this
>Ubersaw
>+25% Uber meter on hit
>25% damage vulnerability on wearer while active

>>382602714
>it's honestly useless as fuck compared to the wrangler
Wrangler is overpowered too. Both Short Circuit and Wrangler are straight up better than Pistol.

Short Circuit allows Engineer to counter his intended hard counter, and Wrangler allows Engineer to counter the main intended method of taking down Sentries (cornercreeping), and both Wrangler and Short Circuit encourage Engineer to stalemate the game to hell.

I use the Short Circuit all the time on Engineer. If you're not braindead it's ridiculously effective against Soldiers, Scouts, Spies and Demos. You can deny them all by holding down M2, and it will destroy whatever projectiles they're firing plus always damage them to the tune of 40DPS (never misses or needs to reload), even if they're dodging really well or are invisible.

Short Circuit and Wrangler need to be reworked to be less useful to defenders and more useful to attackers.

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WHO TEEK HERE?

dudes, once the update hits:

fishcake and bread bite new meta

the most fun i get out of tf2 is asking if i should buy overwatch in the chat

>>382609437
Pistol is better if you want to be an engineer on the move. Wrangler and short circuit are more for turtling, with short circuit being for saving your area.

Does anyone have the bumper car taunt? Is it worth the $7.99?

>>382601691
I remember that Reddit post, god it was so awful.
I'm gonna post it if i find it

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>>382601691
Tell me this is based on real events. Please.

>>382611780
Thats based on a real post, yeah find that shit

>>382611243
>if you want to be an engineer on the move
If we're talking strictly viable strategies (which we should be since this is a balance discussion) "engineer on the move" is not a thing you'll be doing because it's simply a worse Scout.

If you want to be an offensive class in a symmetrical mode you'll be Scout, since most symmetrical modes have distances too small for Teleporter to be useful. If you're going to be the team's dedicated teleporter bitch in an asymmetrical mode you'll be running Level 3s and staying in place guarding your teleporter so a Spy doesn't come along and Sap it.

Pistol is only good in a loadout which makes you inherently less useful. Wrangler and Short Circuit are better than Pistol in the actually viable loadouts.

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>>382611780
don't bother he deleted it

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Rate my American

>>382612447
that is a fucking hideous ass rocket launcher, get an warhawk instead, and get rid of the cape for a body cosmetic instead

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>>382596990

>>382612447
>unusual
automatic 0/10, see me after class

>>382612690
>>382612813
I unboxed it years ago, I would never buy an unusual wep

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>>382612943
then trade it for something that doesn't look like ass

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>>382612393
It baffles me that these people exist.

>>382601907
He can. It's the normal pan that he can't equip

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>>382612447
>gay as hell pyroland skin
>festive on a non winter set
>a fucking cape

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>>382602073

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>>382612943
Sell that trash off. You and every other furry with these 300-key sparkly virtual items are a complete fucking eyesore.

>>382613605

>not using self-aware beauty mark

>>382613679
not my webm
and not everybody knows the bread reskins go further

>>382613661
I would sell it, but selling stuff on TF2 is annoying

>I'd like to sell this item for 100 keys
>50 keys or no deal

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>pyro update is going to skill index the flamethrower
are you ready for the asspain next week

Bring back server browser and Valve servers
>server browser is still there though lol
I hate being in bumfuck nowhere where all the community servers are gimmicks like jump, orange or that new zombie mode

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Post your Pyrotechnics Specialists

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>>382614379
>2017
>axtinguisher

>add new option to play "classic" games with no hats, vanilla weapons only, original mechanics of the weapons
>add the option to quick search for non empty servers
>change it so that free to plays are separate from pay to plays so they both learn together and stay out of the way of the good people
>invite all the best community players for each class to Valve to make balance changes for their classes
This would be fun

>>382614543
>invite all the best community players for each class to Valve to make balance changes for their classes

ahh yes so tf2 will end up like marvel comics as in "nuh uh my class is better than yours!!!"

>>382614410
I've been hoping for a buff, the other melees are better but Axtinguisher has always been the OG

>>382614715
>have the tf2 """team""" oversee their changes
>have them apply their changes in a beta version so they can test it out
>reopen the beta test version of the game so community can test it
It could work

>>382614543
>>change it so that free to plays are separate from pay to plays
what do you mean by this

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If you don't think Strange weapons are the tightest shit you can get the fuck out of my face

>>382614410
Every now and then I get a kill with it and it feels so good.

>>382614932
Stranges are just "how long has this guy played". Killstreaks are the true patrician's choice, as they display skill.
Strange Killstreak weapons are obviously the best

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>>382590789
>haven't played TF2 since Meet Your Match made it shitty overwatch-like

>see these balance change

holy fuck how retarded can you be!?

>Pocketpistol now potent vampire gun on the most evasive class that can grant 84HP on returns from one clips WHILE FIRING FASTER
I don't care about the shit damage, the vamp on this thing is just deliciously broken

>Ambassador now LESS ACCURATE THAN STOCK
What is the fucking point, now you aren't rewarded for your skill and its a downgrade in every way

>Dead Ringer now has only 1 time use and can't be refilled
ABSOLUTE GARBAGE.

>Your Eternal Reward now cuts cloak meter in half and drains your cloak on disguise
WHO THE FUCK WOULD USE THIS!? Cloak is the most valueable resource to spy and already drains faster on some watches, this is absolute shit!

>Sandman removed stun now just slows enemies and can deal a wopping 30 damage
Welp, now its a garbage weapon with no utility.

>Critacola now allows you to choose when you are marked for death for a small time period by attacking
Straight buff but eh. A little broken for the comp scene.

>Atomizer can only triple jump while bat is deployed and now mini-crits while jumping
FUCKING DROPPED. If you can't use it in combat, then whats the point?

>Guillotine removed crits and minicrits, now just less cooldown
TRASHED

>BASE jumper 50% slower and can't be redeployed
HOLY FUCK why would you ditch gunboat, shotty, or a banner for this hunk of shit?! You a floating target that gets a one time "float"

>Mantreads now let you airdrift and ignore airblast
First actually good idea I've seen

>Darwin Danger Shield now a complete fuck you to pyros
KEK. honestly an ok change

>Razorback regenerates
Yeah lets nerf spies amby and then also buff this hard counter items

>Perserve 60% uber with vitasaw from a couple of melee hits
And out goes the window with balance.....

>Heavy's minigun FINALLY unnerfed
Ok that is a real good gamechange.

>GRU back to original UBER building
WTF

>>382614838
the tf2 team needs to stop being fucking pussies and make each class what they're supposed to do,

stickies take 2 seconds to arm minimum
make RL reloading slower so people learn that a shotgun exists
give pyro some more speed or range, shit's just sad now
tranquilizer for spy so he have some more utility than being badsniper
headshots needs 50% scope minimum
medic is fine just nerf the ubersaw
give scout the backpack that allowed him to pick up metal and healthkits to give to his team as he was designed to back then

>>382615094
Specialized Killstreak or nothing

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>>382614932
>looking for a specific Strange
>listing for one with three parts attached for no extra cost

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>readin them patchnotes
>Mantreads
>The second least-used item in the game.
What was the most leased used item?

>>382615416
detonator probably

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>>382615416
sharpened volcano frag

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>>382615380
>Loose Cannon with Gib Kills, Damage Dealt, and Pumpkin Bombs

>>382615094
Specialized or higher and you got a deal my man

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>>382615185
>I don't understand most of the changes

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>>382615367
>>382615579
>Sheen: Team Shine

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>>382615185
you're actually retard

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>>382615185
>Rescue Range now drains metal
A nice balancing touch but that resource allocation is technically a nerf on the engie.

>Nerfing Fist of Steel into oblivion
Why? It barely helps you get to cover to get a cheap melee kill.

>Eviction Notice is literally just halfway GRU
The utter lack of originality here......

Also these descriptions sound like a fucking reddit post for weapon balance ideas verbtim.
Ex:
"Players that are head-shot from across the map are expecting to see a Sniper in their death-cam, but they sometimes see (more often that we'd like) a Spy with a revolver

Goal: Reduce the effective combat range to something more reasonable and expected with the Spy
Changes:
First-shots are no longer perfectly accurate. Bullet-spread is instead reduced by 50%. This makes head shots less reliable at long range, while still very viable at close and medium-range."

That is just cringey and they never worded this balance changes like this, it just sounds like they made the change based off of 1 game of a player whining.

This is the absolute point of no return. TF2 is fucking run by a skeleton crew, fuck valve for draining their resources to make a billion dollars on steam rather than make/support games.

>>382615559
>Tomislav with Dominations, Kills while Ubercharged, and Pyros Killed
Perfection

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>>382611993
yes it is
>>382612393

>tfw the Caber will never be good again because of salty Sniper mains
fuck all of them to hell

>>382615185
>dead ringer
>useless
good

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>>382596990

>>382614543
>original mechanics of the weapons
>40 rocket soldiers
>30 nade demomen
>stickies with zero ramp up time
>stickies with a blast radius larger than the RL
>stickies with no fall-off
>no airblast
>engineer can't move his buildings
>medics take literally 3+ minutes to generate an uber
fuck off

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>>382615252
Nigger they aren't being pussies they're trying to make a good game like they get paid to do.

Your proposed gimmicky changes just make the game less like an FPS and more like scissors/paper/rock Overwatch shit where players hard counter each other, and the class you're playing is more important than your skill at said class.

For example. Yes, Spy needs more utility than just being badsniper. But adding another fucking low-counterplay slow to the game is not the way to go about it. Slows are antiskill bullshit that only belong in Overwatch.

When you think "make each class what they're supposed to do" you think of vague hard counters and memes rather than actual nuanced, strategic uses for every class.
There is no purpose to making Stickybombs, which are a good defensive AND offensive element, solely defensive just because "hurr they're meant to be a sticky TRAP lmao".
Yet the change can actually only be bad for gameplay. Now Demomen playing on offense are totally unviable and people who enjoy the class are forced to switch classes when playing on BLU in A/D and Payload, for example. And Engineer on defensive sides becomes immensely stronger.

Your "should"s come from meme perceptions of how the game should be based on the names or stereotypes of things, and making balance changes to force a bad player into doing what you consider a skilled player doing, and other arbitrary bullshit. You don't actually THINK how fun it is to play as and against.

Please, just fucking use your brain.

>>382616261
Buncha cucks
If you can't pop a demo out of the air you rightfully deserve to get bombed

>>382616634
they also got the sticky jumper nerfed
>VALVEEEEEEEE THIS DEMOMAN IS USING TELEPORT BY USING 8 STICKIES AT ONCE
>NERF THIS PLAYSTYLE (but dont touch the rest of the demoman) NOW
vid related, the end of it was the best way to use the weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgTsWRV2n4s&list=LLk0MpljbrQnPMt_rjMZGd6w&index=39

>>382615367
Sure I'll spend an extra £10 for a shitty effect. I just want the numbers to be honest family.

>>382615795
I'll bet money that you're this same nigger >>382615252 judging by how quick you are to condemn Valve but how slow you are to actually think about their changes

Yes, TF2 is fucking run by a skeleton crew, but the majority of the balance changes are very good, unlike your shitty ones.

You don't consider the angle of people abusing Fists of Steel or Rescue Ranger to their fullest, which is why you don't understand the nerfs, yet you're quick to condemn Valve for making them.

>That is just cringey and they never worded this balance changes like this
What the fuck is this even meant to mean? Are you retarded?

>>382593551
i had a friend that would literally only ever play on an instant spawn 2fort map

>>382615795
>Rescue Range now drains metal
this is actually a buff since if it worked like the widowmaker then you can have infinite sentry heals if you're right next to dispenser

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>>382616556
>Nigger they aren't being pussies they're trying to make a good game like they get paid to do

well they certainly are failing at that in every sense of the fucking word

remember when strange hats and unusual weapons apart from HHHH were a community joke?
or when artstyle was a thing?
or when they tried to make all classes viable?

>>382612393
I can sort of see the merit of complaining about a Saxxy (people worked hard for that shit) but even then just barely. This guy needs to fuck off.

>>382615252
>make RL reloading slower so people learn that a shotgun exists
Soldier will always remain on top, stay mad, maggot.

>>382616991
It still has 6 shots, retard. It just means it will drain metal if a bolt heals a building.

>>382588871

TF2 is pretty much dead. Get over it.

The new weapon changes are completely nonsensical. It somehow manages to be worse then the Gun Mettle and Tough Break changes.

It is as if Valve is secretly trying to kill of TF2.

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>>382616995
Cosmetic shit is ugly but has no bearing on gameplay and can be modded out easily
Stay on topic please
>or when they tried to make all classes viable?
Oh
You're one of THOSE retards

>>382613661
>cloudy moon skull above golden sunshine

How the FUCK do people think this looks good?
Swap one of those effects to make something that fucking matches, it looks completely atrocious.

>>382617140
"off," not "of"
the new weapon changes are good, you're just completely out of touch with the game and don't understand the reasons they were made.

Feel free to post your critique of the balance changes so I can show you how wrong you are, though

>>382614893
So that free to plays are only placed in servers with other free to plays and the same with pay to plays

>>382617114
where does it say that?

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>>382612393
oh my fucking god this guy
people like this exist

>>382616995
>or when they tried to make all classes viable?
That never happened. The trio remains supreme, always have, always will.

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>>382612447

>Generic soldier main/10

These threads always make me feel like tonight may really be the night

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>>382615185
>people this stupid are allowed to post on /v/

>What is the fucking point, now you aren't rewarded for your skill and its a downgrade in every way
You idiot, the change is +50% accuracy on every shot. That means the Ambassador is actually more accurate than it was before at consecutive firing, and less accurate at first-shot firing. It's not a "downgrade in every way", the accuracy is still essentially perfect at midrange anyway.

>Welp, now its a garbage weapon with no utility
It was an overpowered weapon, moron. It allowed Scout to condemn people to death at long range for only a 15HP cost. You don't understand how people abuse good weapons.
>Straight buff
Critacola got nerfed you mongoloid. It lost the speed boost, and its minicrits now make the scout vulnerable every time he attacks. How is that a "straight buff"????
>If you can't use it in combat, then whats the point
>If you can't use (a mobility tool) in combat, then whats the point
ARE YOU BRAINDEAD

>>382617317
So Free to plays won't learn from the pay to plays who have arguably played more than them
and you expect both to be good
ok

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Quick faggots, what's your raifu? Posting mine.

>friend has an unusual he doesn't use and doesn't want
>trade it for a rainy day case because he doesn't care
>it's a shitty big elfin deal
>everyone in chat says "nice" because I just traded for an unusual even though it was trash

>ambassador gets changed to be RNG instead of reward accuracy like it's supposed to
>shitters make up stories about how spies headshot and instakill them from across the map to justify the nerf
I don't play spy btw, the change was unneeded

>>382618705
Throw on the jingle boots and it'll look slightly less shitty

>>382618604
The free to plays will learn off each other, also pay to plays constantly complain about free to plays. When did I ever say they would both be good? You sound like an ass blasted BR f2p

>>382618683
LnL BABY

>>382618965
Ah yes, the Loch n Load, one of the best melee weapons in the game.

>>382618819
I fucking hate spy but I never really had a problem with the amby. Dead Ringer and to a lesser extent Spycile are my most hated weapons.

>>382618926
Yeah I got the bootie time on because as a joke I decided to collect all the elf themed items. Currently saving up for a strange bootie time but there's like none of them in existence for some reason

>>382619083
If I ever played spy I used it because I loved the way it looked
>get random flicks
>immediately spaghetti and not headshot for five minutes

>>382618965
>"i can't pipes so i need a crutch"

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>>382618683

>>382618819
Is this really what the update note means? I can't understand how this won't ruin the amby's viability

>>382618942
>>so they both learn together
Then what the fuck do they learn?

>>382619180
>loch n load
>crutch
t. scunt who got instagibbed

>>382619193
>Is this really what the update note means?
it tones down the first shot accuracy and adds rng

>>382618819
>>ambassador gets changed to be RNG instead of reward accuracy like it's supposed to
It's a 50% less accuracy on every single shot. The weapon actually involves less RNG now than it did before.

Community testing was done, and the only place the first-shot RNG is actually noticeable is at very long range. At close and mid range it's still almost perfectly accurate on the first shot, with all bullet mark decals still overlapping at a 500HU distance.

And now every single shot that isn't the first shot is 50% more accurate.

The change was needed to make Spy play less like Sniper.

>>382619226
You really are a retarded BR aren't you
>f2p learns how to rocket jump
>hey guys look at this
>oh look they just learned off eachother

>>382619193
The direct hit is terrifying in the hands of people that can actually use it, I love using the mangler for the altfire charge shot and not having to worry about ammo.

Because I am a bad shot

>>382593551
Skins, then e-sports. GO was the least played CS on release and it didn't have signs of changing until valve added skins

>>382619292
>Spy play less like Sniper.
Nice meme

>>382619193
See >>382619292
>>382619253
>it tones down the first shot accuracy and adds rng
See >>382619292. It adds long-range RNG and removes mid-range and close-range RNG.

It rewards Spies who play at mid to close range with much greater accuracy through a whole clip, and only punishes Spies who play at long range as if they were Snipers.

>>382589192
>he doesn't remove sappers, and hope for rare jarates

>>382619342
>clicking heads for critical damage from the other side of the map isn't playing like sniper
I don't know how you mentally justify that statement to yourself.

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>>382619253
>scunt who got instagibbed
took that out faggot

>>382619293
Isn't it a faster learning experience with P2Ps then? Then P2Ps can help them learn
Also, by grouping F2Ps together you might create an environment where everyone just wallows in their own filth. By mixing both together, you get F2Ps trying to git gud by imitating P2Ps.

>>382594451
all it needs is no more swing speed reduction

at least then you can go fucking nutts when you detonator jump into a pack of enemies.

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>>382619584
>spy will outclass sniper because he can minicrit a headshot at long range

>>382612393
Whenever someone picks up my aussie tomislav it makes me laugh and motivates me to kill them. This guy is a fucking twat.

Every fucking update is them nerfing non-stock weapons and removing fun weapon sets.

Like what are they buffing now? something that lets the scout heal and a shotgun that has huge spread.

wheres my gimmick shit like the sandman cleaver.

>>382619669
>P2Ps can help them learn
Yeah that never happens. I've never seen it once, everyone hates free to plays. F2Ps also try to imitate P2Ps but they're shit at it so they end up just following you around like an autist not knowing what they're doing. At least with them separate they won't get in the way of non retarded people

>>382603073
>medibeam requires aim

>>382619305
>join match
>dh the fuck out of everything that moves
>server loads a new map
>couldn't hit a heavy standing still that was right in front of me
why am I so bad

>>382619305
Yeah man it one shots light classes and two shots sentries close range. I'm surprised more people don't use it, you should give it a go.

>>382619426
Oh I guess that's not too bad. Makes him a lot more viable vs good pyros too, I'm interested to see how his meta goes with this change.

>>382619726
what Axtinguisher needs is for its passive downsides to be replaced with active downsides

When you want to make a weapon that's better in combat than the stock melee, but still balanced alongside the stock melee, the answer is to give this melee a lot of upsides over stock when you are wielding it, but have downsides whether you are wielding it or not.

For example, Eyelander is stronger than stock Bottle when you're using it. But when you're not using it, you lose 25 max HP, making it balanced alongside Bottle because even though it's an objectively better weapon than Bottle, it makes you objectively worse when you're not using it as well as when you're using it. This is a passive downside.

Valve's mistake when they nerfed Axtinguisher was to give it active downsides instead of passive downsides.
>http://blog.spuf.info/2013/11/28/why-all-melee-unlocks-should-be-balanced-like-the-demomans/

>>382619959
Just curious, how do you tell the difference between F2P and P2P? Could you tell if someone's a F2P even if they are good at the game? Could you spot that someone paid for the game even if they were a complete shitter?

>>382612393
I'm always kind of flattered when someone picks up my weapon after I die desu. It's cute if it's a f2p who doesn't have any cosmetics or strange/ks weapons.

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At least two of these things happen every single match. Prove me wrong.

>>382620196
Like I said, my aim is bad, and I don't think I've properly configured TF2, I remember years ago there was some config you could to to make rockets spawn properly when you hit fire due to lag compensation or some weird shit like that, I have issues hitting enemies with splash damage with normal rockets

>>382618683
FaN

High mobility
High burst
knocking people into space

probably my favorite gun ever.

>>382618398
oh its weaker than stock revolver?

Oh and it fires slower than stock revolver?

Oh and it doesn't get random crits like the stock revolver, which Spy is the only class this significantly is a negative because 1 backstab instantly maxes his critical hit chance from 2.5% to 12%?

And now its not perfectly accurate on the first shot or when waiting a short period like the stock revolver too, and has to have subsequent shot to make it more viable?

Also you're bullshitting, it clearly states: "First-shots are no longer perfectly accurate. Bullet-spread is instead reduced by 50%"

Nowhere does it state that consecutive shots will increase the accuracy. And given that the Ambassador has significantly reduced accuracy for a period after shooting, having any bullet spread other than perfectly accurate is trash.

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>>382619801
Hey
Hey nigger
Shut up for a second and listen to what I'm saying
I never said Spy OUTCLASSES Sniper.
I only said he's playing too SIMILARLY to him.
>http://au.ign.com/articles/2007/04/10/team-fortress-2-interview-2?page=1
>Robin Walker: Let's start by talking about why do classes at all, because everything follows from that. A class should be an experience in a bottle. An engineer should be an experience, a soldier should be an experience, and those things should be different, so there's no point of having two classes where the experience of playing them is the same, or at least is negligible in terms of the difference. When we think of different experiences we're thinking about things like player decision making, when you're in some situation as a class, the ones you make as that class should be different than if you were a different class, and certainly the factors you care about should change and so on. So to us classes are about bottling up various experiences
Do you understand yet
>>382620196
Yeah at first I thought Amby was straight up nerfed but I read it wrong and Valve explained poorly

>>382620219
the reason it has those active downsides is that the pyro can't axesting you instantly.

its not a balance thing but a mistake fixing thing.

>>382620258
>Just curious, how do you tell the difference between F2P and P2P?
usually a lack of skill, awareness, and skill

>>382617007
This.
Soldier is used for his mobility and burst damage on bombing and harassment. He can get from point A to B very quickly like the Scout (Actually better than the Scout in almost all situations due to height advantage always). RL reload nerf doesn't change nothing with him

people that complain about minisentries are scum of the earth that don't stay with their team.

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>>382620310
If it's a pub you can easily get 3 bingos, and 4 if you're on Dustbowl.

>>382620258
Free to plays usually use achievement items only because it's the only kind of item they can get. If you see a gibous+FaN+Sandman+Cleaver scout then they're probably a free to play. Also free to plays are generally always shit at the game. Lots of pay to plays are shit but the difference is you can tell they've probably spent hundreds on the game based on their retarded festives and unusuals

>>382620310
>impossible to get a top left to bottom right bingo
garbage card

>>382620451
So if someone paid for the game, but they're absolutely shitty at it, are they F2P? It could happen.

>>382620521
That would be too easy!

I've made peace with this update, most of the changes are horrible and unfun but I'm okay with that.

>>382620515
>>382620451
I've never paid for TF2 in any way, and yet I regularly top scoreboards.
>inb4 b-but they're all F-F2P too!

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>>382615380
>>382615559
>strange with halloween spells
delicious

>>382620542
that's why I said usually, and typed skill twice when I meant to say cosmetics

>>382620676
you can get top score by staying in a server for a long time and existing as engineer

>>382620676
An exception to the rule doesn't make the rule false.
99% of F2Ps are retarded and you're the 1%, good job

>>382620320
That actually sounds pretty cool. I normally don't have to worry too much about that because I only play on >80 ping servers though, but I'd be interested in having that config. Also you should practice my guy, soldier unlocks his full potential when you can lead your rockets and use splash damage effectively.

Why did they change the panic attack
end my life

kill streak joke weapons are litterally the only thing you need.

Anything else is dick waving.

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>>382620310
>>382620310
I can no longer find a Competitive Matchmaking match in Australia. I've waited in queue for hours, nothing.
Valve needs to add some sort of prize so people will play. Even community competitive 6s has a distant hope at a cash prize, MM has nothing.

Oh and placement matches, and
>>382620420
>is that the pyro can't axesting you instantly
There's nothing wrong with the ability to kill someone instantly if it's adequately balanced and has at least some form of counterplay.

Sniper can instakill people and it's fine because it's balanced by counterplay and downsides, same for Spy with backstabs and Demo with stickytraps and Soldier with Direct Hit.

Axtinguisher is meant to fulfil that power fantasy of Pyro being a terrifying close-range class who ambushes the player, sets them on fire, and promptly does a lot of damage.

The only problem with the original incarnation of Axtinguisher was that Pyro never traded off enough for that ability. If Axtinguisher was balanced by a passive downside, it would be perfect.

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>>382620971
>you should practice
I have been

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rate my fat-your-ass fat-headed fatman

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>>382621174
you are like a little baby
still though, keep up the good work

>>382621125
anon

the new axesting is seriously what you just described but non passive.

you don't NEED a passive downside if an active downside makes the hurdle. in fact these active downsides are better because they rely on setup and skill, not the enemy having a stronger damage stat against you.

Hell the best example of this is the snipers headshots, a total active downside but a huge bonus like you said.

>>382619180
>no rollers is a crutch

k

Is there a playstyle that valve added in a buff (not the weapon being introduced) that they didn't nerf or remove?

Have there been any playstyles that valve have added in buffs in the past few updates?

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>>382596990
I don't really play heavy

>>382590789
Can't see shit captain

>that one all class hat that looks so good that you wear it with every class

>>382621174
200 more hours on tr_walkway and you'll be a dh monster

>>382621276
I want to believe you're b4nny but I can't

>>382622036
b4nny is too busy streaming and gargling Soldier semen to browse threads full of pubstars

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>>382621964
For me, it's the Dead of Night

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>>382621359
>the new axesting is seriously what you just described but non passive
No it's not.
What I described is:
>Axtinguisher is meant to fulfil that power fantasy of Pyro being a terrifying close-range class who ambushes the player, sets them on fire, and promptly does a lot of damage.

Current Axtinguisher fails at that power fantasy because it does less DPS than simply using Flamethrower, or even just using Fire Axe and hoping for a random crit, thanks to all the active downsides.

The old versions of Axtinguisher rewarded Pyro for ambushing, but didn't punish him enough for direct combat.
The new version of Axtinguisher neither rewards Pyro for ambushing, nor punishes him for direct combat.

What the Axtinguisher should be is a weapon that's better than the Fire Axe and even Flamethrower at killing people, but makes you worse all the time, thus encouraging you to use it often, but balancing it alongside stock.

What the Axtinguisher actually is in its current incarnation is a weapon that's worse than the Flamethrower and roughly as good as the Fire Axe at killing people.

>you don't NEED a passive downside if an active downside makes the hurdle
Balancing an active upside with an active downside makes the weapon no better than stock unless the active downside is easily avoided with skill, and Axtinguisher's downside is not; no matter how good you are with it, it does less DPS than Flamethrower.

>Hell the best example of this is the snipers headshots, a total active downside but a huge bonus like you said
Stock weapons don't make good examples because there's very little to compare them to, but I'll compare Sniper and Soldier (the most average class) to show you what I mean. Sniper has a passive downside of 75HP compared to Soldier in order to gain his ability of headshots.

My ideal Axtinguisher would probably be:
>Critically hits burning targets
>no random critical hits
>-25 max HP on wearer

>>382621964
brown bomber
a shame no one wears the older hats anymore.

>>382621964
santa hat is the absolute comfy

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>>382622230
disgusting

>>382622665
actually wait
>Critically hits burning targets
>no random critical hits
>on hit: extinguish target
>-25 max HP on wearer
there we go

the reduced HP encourages Pyro to play more stealthily, since he's less durable in regular combat. It also provides counterplay to enemies who can kill a Pyro who ambushes them poorly quicker.
the removal of all the major "when active" penalties encourages the Pyro to use the weapon more often and be more effective when doing so.
the "extinguish on hit" prevents this weapon from being too strong vs. Heavy.

>>382622665
>Current Axtinguisher fails at that power fantasy because it does less DPS than simply using Flamethrower, or even just using Fire Axe and hoping for a random crit, thanks to all the active downsides.

thats why you detonator jump towards them.
it shouldn't be free.

>The new version of Axtinguisher neither rewards Pyro for ambushing, nor punishes him for direct combat.
but it does, you waste a full second or two whipping it out, and if you get the fire on them and then ambush you have a guaranteed sting

>>382622665
>My ideal Axtinguisher would probably be:
>>Critically hits burning targets
>>no random critical hits
>>-25 max HP on wearer

please just don't, that downside is nothing and just makes the pyro even more brain dead.

I never want to see puff and sting come back ever, all I want to see the original axesting before the degreaser. Where you had to plan and shit.

>>382622230
shit thrown together at random/10