This game is bad.

All games are bad.

Its Titan Quest but better. I don't see how you can call it bad if you're a fan of the genre.

>>382545108
all ARPGs are mindless click fests. but after playing the shitfest that is D3. I liked the setting and story of this GD. nice brainless gameplay. The opening cinematic and its voicework is really quite shitty though, betrays the decent atmos of the game.

>>382545108
Fucking RNG sometimes is rageable.

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who else saw that thread yesterday where about 300 of the posts were just 2 austimos arguing with each other

>>382545108
It could have been more.

>>382545248
Except TQ has the setting, this is just a tragic copy paste of the TQ source code.

>>382545248
Titan Quest has better art direction and setting. Grim Dawn's art is a complete fucking mess, especially the environments.

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>>382545516
this genre attracts some of the biggest autismos

>>382546153
>this is just a tragic copy paste of the TQ source code
It IS the TQ source code and engine, no one ever denied that, but improved with better performances, visuals and mechanics that didn't make it into TQ due to time constraints.

>>382545108

thought it might be good, got bored 30 min in, realized poe offers more satisfying gameplay with more quality and convenience for free and refunded

too bad poe is ultimatively fucking boring as well.

it could be much better if, say, teamwork or mechanical skills would be required.

>>382546789
And with all the bugs and fucked up pathing of TQ - thats why I said copy paste, the guys didnt evenc are to improve it and that says alot.

>>382545108
Well yes but all games of this genre are bad. There's literally no fucking skill in these games. Just non stop clicking and chugging potions and watching numbers go up. It doesn't actually matter how good you are as a player, just how long you've played for, and if your numbers are not big enough, you will not pass an area, every encounter is really just a DPS race as you almost never actually avoid attacks with dodge moves and stuff. I have no idea how people enjoy this stuff, but I guess that's just me. I tried Titan Quest, Diablo, and Torchlight, and it was all the same shit, though at least Diablo had a nice atmosphere. I don't enjoy finding loot just because it's loot, when it doesn't actually change how the game is played in the slightest. At least warframe had nice feeling guns and was fun to move around in.

This is just cookie clicker.

>>382546943
This is every RPG.

>>382546943
>has nice feelings guns
>was fun to move around in
your opinions are very valuable

>>382547230
Oh I'm sorry, did you want me to go into a 3 paragraph explanation as to why they felt good to me when it doesn't really have that much to do with the main idea of the thread?

>>382547230
Hey, it does make you feel powerful. As long as you won't hit the highest levels, when you need a min maxed loadout.

>>382547230
Nigga they sound good and the feedback and gore is nice.

>>382547230
plus bullet jumping and hovering is fun as fuck.

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SOMEBODY GIVE ME ULTOS AND WARBORN GEAR RIGHT NOW

>>382545516
We're attracting giga-autists and it is concerning.

>>382545108
Every time I start playing it, I get hooked and have to play it for days. It's not the best one but at least it's addicting.

>>382546943
Grossly narrowed. You can and should dodge hits in those games, at least in those that I played. Especially in HC. TQ, GD and POE had mechanics to prevent spamming potions, while Diablo 1 and 2 was more about the inconvenience of refilling your belt.

it's better than path of passives

>>382546943
Here's your (You). I don't know why I keep wasting money on this genre. ARPGs are so goddamned boring.

Possible exception: Divine Divinity.

>>382545108
It's fucking boring compared to other ARPGs, I liked Titan Quest back in the day but it didn't innovate enough and doesn't even look better.

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>soldier is balanced

dark souls and bloodborne are much better arpgs

>>382545108
I put almost 10 hours into it waiting for it to get good.
It's a fuckin left click spam fest with very few abilities and almost the entire skill tree is fuckin passive buffs, I have no clue how some people can defend this.
Diablo 3 might no have decent endgame content, but the grind to the top level was fun with plenty of new abilities and runes to mix up and made for a decent variety of gameplay.
Grim Dawn manages to be much worse than D3, imo.

I might givi it a second chance one day since I cannot refund it anymore, but hell it left a bad impression. And the Warden boss and the path to it feels like a carbon copy of D3 Skeleton King

>>382549802
It's also really fucking boring.

>>382549908
it won't get any better. I gave TQ so many tries and it plays the same from lvl 1 to infinity.

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>>382549981
Depends on your build and how much focus you put on the Soldier tree, mine is quite boring but I just wanted to make a RoR Enforcer so I limited myself to only a couple skills.

Reminder that if you don't play ARPGs on Hardcore you're not really playing the game properly.

>>382550420
what's the fire projectile proccing off cadence?

>>382545108
Since PoE and Diablo 3 are both shit, Grim Dawn is the only viable option for people who like arpg, and yes, it's a bad game but what should I play? Torchlight? :(

Diablo 2 > Titan Quest > Diablo 3 > Grim Dawn > Path of Exile > Torchlight > Torchlight 2

Don't kid yourselves, PoE was king of the shitheap up until patch 1.2-1.3.

>>382551157
Nah.
Even as a fan and having 1K+ hours in it, titan quest is very weak and aged badly.
Rest is mostly taste.
Grim dawn has above average everything, and great build customability.
Diablo 3 has exceptional gameplay but no fucking lategame at all except gettng bigger numbers.
Diablo 2 aged like shit too, and you're just nostalgic at this point.
>Path of clicking one button to oneshot 4 screens
>memelight

I disagree with your list, for me it would be.

Grim dawn >>>>>> D3 > TQ > D2
Rest doesnt even matter

>>382545108
I see no reason to play this when there's seemingly no online community for it. They should add a fucking ladder system or something to get people to play online.

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>>382550991
I'm not sure what you mean, the Falcon Swoop?

>>382551521
Not him but there's a fire something that I can see too but I can't place it. Reminds me of the skill that shoots a fire thing along the ground that does damage and heals you.

>>382551521
yeah that's probably it

>>382551594
Oh, it's probably Forcewave, which is on my right click.

>>382545108
I dunno, I'm enjoying it.

>>382545248
Titan Quest had more class and skill variety than Grim Dawn. The gameplay in Grim Dawn feels crunchier and more satisfying, but the character building and environmental design / variety is so much worse.

I like torchlight because pets are great

>>382545248
>>382546153
>>382546208
GD environments are incredibly boring when compared to the Greek myth settings of TQ.

Both games suffered HEAVILY from the "buff your basic atk" syndrome in which 90% of your damage comes from simply left clicking. You can make other non-auto attack builds but then you will factually be dealing less damage than if you boosted your auto attacks.

Even when GD brought that new "caster" class in, it's just underwhelming as shit. No one can make casters in arpgs besides Diablo 2. It's a travesty.

>>382552258
You're wrong on so many levels.
Jacks ele
BWC sorc
DEE wh
and the list could go on

>>382549894
How? They have a 100x less build variety.

>>382552347
Boy you showed me how wrong I am with that text that supports nothing with evidence. But let me chug on left clicking for all mobs for another 70 hours to find out if you're right...

>>382552427
they're a lot more fun to play
also I can use a controller which is a lot more comfortable than mouse and keyboard

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>tfw current character just throws down a cocktail and thermite mine and runs in circles

cant believe how effective this is desu

>>382552473
Strongest GD builds are caster
t. Farming hc glad crucible reliably

>>382552475
>they're a lot more fun to play
How? You're not massacring more than a thousand monsters with bullshit stats in those games.

>>382552710
How hard is it for you to post the talent trees? Then you can back up statements with numbers.

>>382552826
How hard is it to use a search engine you faggot ?

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>>382545108
Just as bad as Titan Quest and pretty much every game in the genre except for Diablo. Filthy clones with nothing of value. Low budget, ugly, no story, no memorable characters, nothing innovative, zero motivation to play.

Loving those games is no different than loving mobile tier trash which is played by kids on a toilet. Except that kids waste 5 minutes per session, instead of 5 hours.

>>382552173
torchlight 2 got old quick cause the builds are kind of bad. GD blows it out of the water in that respect so thats probably why i stuck with it.

>>382552826

Any build that is useful will be documented on the forums. You can just take two seconds to search for gear/trees yourself. All you're saying is "I'm an unimaginative idiot who didn't do anything other than dump skill points into fire strike and its modifiers and the fact that worked out okay means that it's unequivocally the best build in the game and everything else is pointless"

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>>382552258
>90% of your damage comes from simply left clicking
Even then, that doesn't mean you're only using your left click unless you want to heavily gimp yourself, you need skills to debuff OA/DA/Resist/Damage and keep yourself alive.

Pic related
>Left click is auto attack
>right click is a teleport pbaoe (which actually deals more damage than my AA so it's used on cd) with a fire/chaos res debuff attached to it
>1 is an DA debuff
>2 is a heal+OA buff
>3 is a OA+damage debuff
>4 is a fire/chaos res debuff
>5 gives 25% damage to HP conversion for 8sec
All of those minus 5 are used in every fight.

>>382554069
>>382554276
Might I ask how long it takes for spells and abilities to become good? Getting to lvl 30-40 without good abilities is a CHORE and a half. I haven't seen casters do anything but suck pre lvl 80 or something. I hate spamming left click for basic attacks.

>>382552826

I'll bite.

http://grimcalc.com/build/1009-QGMKyH

This is my OFF/TSS hybrid that can clear pretty much anything. Devotions are full defensive

http://grimcalc.com/build/1009-1MJvhB

Pure lightning caster with a metric shitton of dmg. Again, devotions are defensive.

http://grimcalc.com/build/1009-6HQVqM

Cocktail build, chuck cocktails everywhere, watch everything burn. Blind Sage for devotion and then whatever the fuck you want.

http://grimcalc.com/build/1009-7UCQSD

Currently my pet project build, full lightning retaliation block based build. Get all those juicy block devotions and on block procs.

There's a crapton of variety in the game if you know how to build.

>>382554581
Not him but there are plenty of spells and abilities early on that are good i.e. Devouring Swarm, Olexra's Flash Freeze, Panetti's Replicating Missile, Primal Strike, Blackwater Cocktail, etc., etc. Polite sage for responding

>>382554581

A bigger issue is the energy costs, it takes a relatively small point investment to make active abilities great, at least early on, but they suck energy like your mother sucks the pool boy.

>>382554581
Pretty much >>382554728
And those alone can carry you through normal/vet easily, no need to even bother with anything other than HP on gear. It gets more complicated once you start Elite.

And like he said, mana can be a huge issue if you dump too many points into them too quickly, unlike AA replacers which are much less energy hungry.

Also Callidor's Tempest

Things I would avoid until you have the gear and skills to go with are Phantasmal Blades and Grenado.

do my devotions still need to be pure defense on ultimate

>>382545108
YOU are bad.

>>382545108
So who is the guy who keeps shitting on Grim Dawn? This has to be the same guy from yesterday.

So where did this meme of hating on ARPGs come from? It never used to be like this.

>>382556040
The worst one isn't even here yet.

>>382555904
Not at all, but depending on which late game devotion you're going for, you should at least grab one of Behemoth, Tree of Life, Scales of Ulcama or Chariot of the Dead at least.

what's the point of replaying grim dawn without seasons?

>>382557726
This is my biggest problem with Grim Dawn. What makes Diablo fun is the ladder seasons and I can only assume that is what people love about PoE as well.

>>382545108
Well i really dig the whole Salem with trial/Settlers/Witch hunter theme of the game (dunno how you call it properly). I just wish more games went with that style or time period.

>>382559003
it's called victorian era setting
bloodborne does it too

I'm having fun for the $10 I spent. Where do I find the blacksmith?

>>382560419
Unlocked by side quest at the Burrwitch Outskirts. You choose between two but honestly it never felt like the decision on which mattered to me.

How do I make Demolitionist fun? I like the idea of setting everything on fire and explosives but I am not dealing damage.

>>382560925
Put a lot of points into Cocktail and make sure you're stacking Fire damage, is one option.

>everyone says Yggdrasil is shit
>it's actually amazing
I've used it on almost every character I've made and it has always done an amazing job, why do people say it's shit again? For any block build, you will be taking the Menhir cluster anyway and that's 90% of the work toward Yggdrasil already.

it's better than PoE where you get your skill gem at level 1 and then run with that for the next 99 levels with no changes whatsoever.

>>382562187
Don't lie, you've never even made it to 90 in PoE, much less 100.

I love Grim Dawn but hate Path of Exile. I've never played a Diablo game before. Should I get Diablo 3 while it's on sale?

>>382562578
i made it to 56 before i gave up because i got tired of running the same shit for 40 levels straight

>>382562586
Wait for D2 remaster, they've been hiring for it recently so it's gonna happen; grim dawn is a lot more like d2/titan quest than poe is, poe is a bit different from them.
>>382562665
kek

>>382545108
Is this worth playing if I loved Titan Quest?

It's really boring to be quite honest

>Iskandra's Hood blueprint dropping never ever

It runs like shit, why won't the devs even bother improving performance?

>>382563508
yeah
it's pretty much Titan Quest + different setting + quality of life improvements (such as auto combine relics/charms)

>>382560550
Actually it does, Arngrim gives you physical oriented bonuses on crafts while Duncan gives elemental and caster bonuses.

>>382561363
What even is Yggdrasil?
If you mean Tree of Life, then yes, it's the best heal devotion, and it's even better for caster since it regens energy too.

Is PRM good yet?

why do they even bother?

the niche is filled, nobody is going to play your game

>>382566403
Tree of Life is Yggdrasil, Yggdrasil is Tree of Life. It's good for most classes, and nothing short of amazing for summoners.

>>382566410
You won't bring down ultimate bosses in a reasonable time just with PRM, but it's pretty good.

>>382566786
I've been using PRM + Blizzard, but I don't have enough points in blizzard yet, it's amazing for clearing out fodder though

aRPG is dead.

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>>382566885
You mean blizzard from devotion or Olexra flesh freeze? I don't see why you would pick blizzard in a PRM build.
It should be made viable though, when will they introduce all damage conversion?

>>382557726
just trying to build something new

>>382557726
What's the point of replaying literally any other arpg with seasons?

>>382552132
>Titan Quest had more class and skill variety than Grim Dawn.
No, it doesn't. Especially not after we get the Necromancer and Inquisitor.

I'm an unimaginative shit and I need ideas for cool builds

>>382567531
seasonal rewards + leaderboard

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>>382567834
>seasonal rewards
You mean fancy cosmetic shit
>leaderboard
Everytime.

>>382568054
yeah cosmetics are cool, better yet if they're rewards for challenges and those challenges give you a reason to keep coming back

>>382567363
Nah the last damage skill in the arcanist tree

>>382567705

Cold dmg dual wield Arcanist/Nightblade with a focus on Nightfall and OFF. Get 2 Beacon of Winter's Veil and go nuts.

>>382568527
>Nah the last damage skill in the arcanist tree
So Devastation? The aetherial shitstorm thing?

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>>382567705
Primal strike elementalist + Vortex of souls

>>382568974
Yeah that thing, confused the name

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>>382567705
Dual wield melee savagery lightning trickster

>>382569130
>>382569338

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>>382569130
F U G

>>382562586
D3RoS is fun for one or two seasons. I cycle between GD, PoE, TQ and Median XL when I get the hack n slash itch.

>>382545108
you must be one of dem fags defending new D3 necro saying number of pets is fine

>>382569854
What's wrong with the D3 Necro? I haven't tried it yet.

>>382569923
You can only have 5 summons max.

>>382567705
Starshards/Lightning Totem/Maelstrom

>>382570040
false
you can have 25~30 summons max

>>382570185
don't believe this little bitch of a fucker, everything is on a timer, only 7 shitty skeletons and golem stick

>>382545248
>Titan Quest
Is this a good game? I haven't really gotten anything from the sale yet.

>>382545108
Blizzdrones on full damage control, I see. Just accept your game is shit. Grim dawn and many other games are better in every conceivable way.

>>382570380
it's very good
I think it's up there with Diablo

>>382570331
Timed summons are the worst meme that any of these companies have ever latched onto. I even hated revives in D2 because of it, they should have just decreased it to +1 revive per 3 levels into the skill and made them permanent.

>>382570380
It's good fun for a playthrough or two. Doesn't have a very enjoyable endgame or anything though but that doesn't really matter. Combat still mostly revolves around holding LMB for hours, but Grim Dawn has that too.

Titan Quest is great for the sale price though

All they had to do was make Titan Quest too, but instead we get this ugly ass game with very minimal improvements over TQ. Pretty shite

TQ still has the best artstyle and locations of any ARPG

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>>382570949
>Combat still mostly revolves around holding LMB for hours
Will this meme ever die? Just because there are plenty of "on attack" procs it doesn't mean you have to hold down LMB all the time. Depends on the damn build.

>>382572124
w-what build is that, it looks fun as shit

>>382572121
Mostly because every ARPG location is a postapocalyptic shitland.

>>382572124
Because it's the easiest and most straightforward builds to make with the highest returns on damage. And some class combos pretty much only have auto attacks available as a means of doing damage

>>382572226

TSS build with OFF to proc more shit and freeze everything to hell and back. Also looks like Tempest and Blizzard were taken as devotions.

It's very fun but you need some specific legendaries before you really call down the sky constantly.

>>382572226
http://www.grimtools.com/calc/m23JP9NR

>>382572124
>you don't have to hold down LMB see?
>posts an endgame build that takes farming specific shit to make
If getting to that point is a piece of shit LMB one button slog then it's not worth it

>>382572648
Of course you use the alternate weapons, trozan's starkeeper and codex of eternal fuckery, ignore the other two.

>>382572589
Gear won't be a problem for me most likely, just looking for more neat shit to do at this point, have a few 80+s already but all but 1 of them got really boring, only one is still really fun and that is occult+shaman sort of summoner that also utilizes maxed Doom Bolt for some burst damage and triggering of shephard devotion.

>>382572785
>If getting to that point is a piece of shit LMB one button slog then it's not worth it
I agree on this, but there are builds that are never like that to begin with.

>>382572785
Your first character shouldn't even be a LMB build if you're playing efficiently.

how does grim dawn compare to d3 and its necromancer? it looks fun but honestly i dont think it can compare to d3 and its necromancer which recently came out and was only $15. i'm having a lot of fun with d3 and its necromancer, should i even bother with this bad game?

>>382573248

If you want a deeper character experience, you should play Grim Dawn

Diablo 3 is pretty colors and shit flying across the screen

Grim Dawn has a bigger focus on skill customization and stats

>>382573248
Wait until the expac comes out with two new classes (Inquisitor and Necromancer)

>>382573383
>>382573468
Guys he isn't even trying to be subtle why are you answering him.

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>>382573248

>>382572785
>If getting to that point is a piece of shit LMB one button slog then it's not worth it
It absolutely isn't though. People in this thread are full of shit. Soldier is your typical autoattacker and he's the most tedious class to level.

>>382545108
It's the best hack and slash ever made but the genre is shit. Setting would be cool if it pushed the post-apocalypse angle more.

about to install poE
what's the coolest class to play if I want a battlemage guy?

>>382545108
Do you think these Grim Dawn threads are just a guy trying to drum up discussion about the game by pretending to hate it?

>>382573468
I wonder how FUN Inquis+Shaman or Inquis+Arcanist will be? I know I'll already be making a Necro+Shaman, but Inquisitor may have some fun to be had as well, I want to smite some fucking heretics.

>>382574389
Despite the criticism of LMB builds, I'm extremely interested in playing a LMB Inquisitor+Demolitionist.

ratatatatata

>>382574320
>5000 people playing the game right now on steam
Bruh, the game is well alive, time to deal with it.

>>382574609
>not going full tower defense
I pity you.

>>382574761
Don't get me wrong, I fucking love Grim Dawn myself. I'm just suspicious that the dude saying it sucks doesn't actually think it sucks or he wouldn't be trying so hard.

>>382574609
I'm more interested in Inquis for the ability to blast sinners with FoH 2.0.

>>382575058
>or he wouldn't be trying so hard
You greatly underestimate /v/

The REAL Question is is this multiplayer?

>>382575058
To be honest, bait threads are the most effective at starting a discussion. Eventually the shitposters leave and people that like the game discuss it.

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>>382574609
I really wonder if the necromancer will finally give a meaning to pic related

>>382575251
the REAL answer is no
although you can coop

>>382575251
It has no dedicated servers nor global chat, otherwise yes.

>>382545108
Friend tricked me into buying it, i thought it was always online then i realized i could've pirated it

>>382576889
Personally I kind of wish I'd bought it, the patches aren't hosted online standalone so you can only get them with a legit copy.

>>382577271
its $12.50 right now

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>>382576889

>>382545108
>Friend keeps wanting to play games, offers suggestions like Grim Dawn
>Can't enjoy any of these kinds of games because of nostalgia goggles for Diablo 2
Fuck, every single one looks bad or boring and instead makes me want to play D2. I feel bad for it because I'm a picky shit with thick goggles.

>>382577372
on steam, I have the gog version though I think, don't they have different save directories and directory layouts?

>>382577496
Joke's on you, I only like D2 and GD.

>>382577604
no idea, there's an option for uploading saves on cloud so i guess so?

>>382545108
I disagree, but respect your right to your own opinion

>>382577604
>gog version
might as well just have pirated it. Steam and GoG use different online and guess which one of them is dead

>>382578229
I did pirate it though, that's what I'm saying, I wish I had bought it for the patches but it's too late now, I'm not willing to redo everything I've done since steam is not compatible with gog saves

>>382578383
oh sorry, misunderstood, though you should still be able to transfer your saves. If you rar them up and zippy them i can try if they work on the steam version

I've never played Titan Quest but I love Grim Dawn, should I go back to give the Anniversary Edition a shot? Or has it not aged so well for poor attention span babies like me?

>>382578229
>normies not knowing about GoG
>wanting to show "Now Playing this game" to Steam friends
>using key resellers for discounted Steam keys
Why they keep hurting video games, industry is already fucked up.

>>382579170
If you think GD animations are clunky prepare your ass. Also prepare to chug on potions at first. Besides that, the lack of devotion and faction system, it shouldn't be too hard to get into, skill trees are a carbon copy of GD's.

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>>382579375
>having 'friends' on steam

>>382546824
Mechanical skills are required in poe if you don't abuse stupid shit

How do I make a fun caster? I like primal strike but I don't want to use a weapon that shoots lightning, I want to BE the lightning

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>>382579594
>tfw only friends on steam are from GD trading

>>382579170
It's still very beautiful and AE allows you to increase the game speed to make it more fun. There are very bad/questionable gameplay decisions like 80% cooldown reduction cap though. There are also a good decisions like making poison builds viable.

>>382579853
>now wanting to make a gun wizard

>>382569550
It took me time to get(and was terrifying in HC) but was so worth :)

>>382580165
hand casting>gun casting

>>382579980
I sure as fuck hope you're not implying poison builds aren't viable in GD or anything.

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This game needs a ladder system to get people to play online.

>>382580584
Ladders are dumb.

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>>382579853
Wait for inquisitor and then go inquisitor/shaman.

>>382580165
Im playing a Demo arcanist, although im not seeing any benefits so far from dual classes cause i invested everything in demo

>>382579170
TQ also has great mods that make it a lot more enjoyable for a second playthrough

>>382575917
There is PvP you retard.

>>382580858
going full in both classes is worth it just for the stats

>>382581134
Im merely lvl 22 so far, no idea what the end-game even looks like

>>382579853
>How do I make a fun caster?
just make a BWC sorcerer and set the world on fire

>>382581231
>im not seeing any benefits so far from dual classes
>Im merely lvl 22 so far, no idea what the end-game even looks like
anon please

>>382581037
lol

>>382581385
It just feels like getting another class at lvl10 is too soon

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>>382581231
>GD
>endgame
Wrong game my nigger, at least until the expansion comes out, then who knows.

>>382545108
What are the differences between Occultist and Shaman in regards to their pets? I want to play a pet class if I am going to buy this game.

>>382581505
>get to say lvl 60
>finally enough pts to invest in both classes
>game ends
are you serious

>>382581472
yeah, most people don't actually invest in the secondary class until 50 or so, and if they do it's only to grab some auras and heal/curse of frailty etc

Did the TQ HD update change much or was it only a graphics update?

>all this purple and green only in the game
Is GD trying to give me my daily dose? It really hurts my eyes

>>382581596
Game ends at 75 in ultimate ~act 2 pretty much. For now endgame consists in unlocking and killing nemeses and ultra bosses. There are endgame dungeon but the loot reward isn't worth it. On the other hand there's the crucible DLC that poses a big challenge, but still.

Warder > every other class

>>382581537
Bump

>>382581758
Lots of changes, still getting some updates fairly frequently too

>>382581537
>>382582280
Why don't you look up the skill tree? You get to pick 2 masteries so you can play both if you want to.
https://grimcalc.com/Mastery/Conjurer

>>382581537
if you want to be a pet slut then you'd just take both

necro will also have pets when it comes out

>>382582412
TQ2 when.

>>382581537
>>382582427
Also keep in mind that more pets are not necessarily better when the alternative is boosting your existing Pets and you can also get new Pets from Items and even one from Devotions. Occultist and Shaman may not necessarily be the best combination. Here's a list of available Pets.

http://grimdawn.gamepedia.com/Pets

>>382582493
I'd love that if they make some fundamental changes to make it more enjoyable to replay and have an endgame.

Personally can't stand GD very much, it's just more of the same but uglier and clunkier.

>>382546943
That's why they all should turn into over-the-shoulder action games. These games are great for all their flaws, if you kept all the good parts but changed the camera angle to something that allows for deeper combat you'd easily make a GOTY. I wasn't convinced until diablo 3 made the combat as deep as it seems like it could go, but it all amounted to dps rotations and cooldowns. Top-down is just inferior for action games.

>>382583314
you already posted this yesterday and got promptly btfo

>>382583314
>zoomed in camera allows for deeper combat
Fuck off, retard.

>>382583314
>diablo 3 made the combat as deep
here's the (you) you're looking for

>>382583429
You didn't btfo me faggot, basically the only objection that wasn't just a direct insult was that it doesn't let you explode screens full of monsters at a time, which isn't a good thing to begin with. There's a reason why they've barely improved on diablo 2, it's because that game lead directly into a dead end, but everyone just keeps going and bashing their heads against the brick wall, and with none of the aesthetic charm of that game.
>>382583827
I mean, you could make the game control like a typical third person melee action game like devil may cry, dark souls, zelda, chivalry, or whatever with all the blocks and parries and attack moves they have in top-down, but it would probably feel unnatural and less visceral to boot.

>>382583314
>Can't see what's behind the character
What could possibly go wrong? Just play Darksiders 2 nd stop posting bd ideas.

>>382584405
Where is PoE?

>want to play PoE since maps look fun
>game is unfun and builds look boring

>>382584846
it's called "turn your fucking head"
but I'm sure you're one of the subhumans who would cry at the prospect of removing save & exit as a way to escape death because apparently every aspect of the game is fucking sacred

>>382585428
nigger

>>382586628
thanks for underlining just how right I am

>>382586724
you didn't try to say something meaningful, so I didn't either.

>>382587005
billions of fast-paced games can manage perfectly fine without needing 360 degree vision, and most of them are more difficult than diablolikes. There's zero reason for actually needing godlike awareness of your surroundings, and removing it could very well make the game MORE fun.

>>382587565
Then why no one didn't try it?

>>382587801
>Then why no one didn't try it?
Try what?

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>>382579594
>tfw friends on steam are friends irl also
>friend asks me to share my library with him (family sharing or whatever it's called) so he can play DaS3
>he can now see when you play your games even though you're set to "Offline" always
>tfw move to playing GoG games
>tfw also buy a PS4 and leave Steam behind

>>382588273
why are you running from your friends?

>>382588401
would you like your friends to know that you're playing Futahime?

>>382588561
Okay, you got a point.

>>382588561
My friends aren't fags so they wouldn't care

Shut up shitcrows

>>382567705
I'm running a fire tank, commando with all my points put into defense and stuns and fire ability procs. It does zero damage but you never die.

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>>382583314
>I wasn't convinced until diablo 3 made the combat as deep as it seems like it could go

>>382589930
I made that exact same thing except I switched to cadence when I realized I would get more out of that with my current setup than I was with fire strike

>>382545152
This

anyone got tips for playing Witchblade? I feel like my damage is ok but I'm made out of glass. I want to be a tough bastard that gets up in fuckers faces, curses and slaughters them.
Now I'm just running away ;___;

>>382590608
sword and board or 2h?

>>382590608
What level are you?

>>382590837
The former, but right now I'm just running around with an offhand to buff chaos damage since all the shields I've found are trash.

>>382590913
19

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>that guy who doesn't play a squishy Pyromancer

>>382591325
Yeah that's about the level range where weak casters begin to have trouble. Well, weak builds in general, imo. Either modify your build for the next ~10-15 levels until you get some proper gear for your build (hopefully) or play very slowly and cautiously.

>>382590608
armor of dreeg

>>382591441
yeah I'll look into it. Maybe redo some stuff and try to focus a bit more on survivability.

>>382591715
I'll check it out.

>>382590608
witchblade is really bad if you focus on chaos early. your damage and survival options are terrible. focus on just being a soldier first and gradually get stuff like sigil and blood of dreeg.

What's the most fun build you've played? I want to get back into this game but my builds are always either garbage or boring.

Running a Pyromancer with a sword and an off hand right now. How do I duel wield?

>>382589296
That just means you have pretty vanilla taste though

>>382592590
What have you tried? Helps to know what you haven't liked before I suggest something.

>>382593114
Not much really, iv'e ran through 3 different times and got stuck at various points. One was a shaman where i put all my points into damage and whatever the thunderstrike ability is, he dies in one hit to everything but shits out damage. Another is a solider, he doesn't die but does no damage and is boring. The last one i tried was an assassin who pretty much failed at everything.

>>382592590
Poison witch hunter. Hop in, spam aoe dot shit, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMVFDfbr1DY

Warlocks are the best.

>>382591715
>armor of dreeg
No such thing!

>>382584963
in the trash where it belongs

>tfw level 25 and still haven't spent any devotion points

Every time I get one I save it because I'm not sure where to spend them but I have yet to really check out the trees

>>382592590
Vitality degen / Vitality Damage / Bleeding / Physical Damage

Occulist + Shaman

>>382593648
A demo focused build using its bombs/grenades is pretty entertaining. Grenado for single target damage + Canister Bomb for AoE is pretty much strong for the whole first playthrough with 0 relevant gear. You could consider focusing on Blackwater Cocktail instead too. BWC is really strong endgame. Alternatively what >>382593717 suggested using Dreeg's Evil Eye is really strong and not really gear dependent.

>>382594031
I believe he meant Aspect of the Guardian, the modifier for Blood of Dreeg.

>>382594370
you can always refund the points just like regular skills

>>382594370
Experiment.
The aether crystals are numerous so you can respec as many times as you want.

All diablo-likes are bad

>>382594031
blood of dreeg, the one that heals you and gives offensive ability.

>>382592892
Futa is as vanilla as it gets in terms of fetishes
I like toddlercon, extreme insertions, violent rape, bestiality, and so forth and they wouldn't bat an eye because they don't give a shit what I jerk off to

>>382594760
>>382594770
How? I never knew you could do that, i always just assumed if i fucked that up i'd have to start over.

>>382595018
Who would befriend a degenerate like you anon?

>>382595246
Talk to the same woman who refunds your skill points.

>>382595246
go to where you normally refund skills, now click on devotions and click on the stars you want to refund

>>382595246
The spirit guide in the upper floor of Devil's Crossing lets you respec skill points and devotion points at a cost. Whenever the expansion releases you'll be able to respec everything but your class choice.

>>382595447
People that don't care about my sex life or fetishes since I never choose to talk about them, like any normal should

>>382588401
I just want to be alone usually

I'd hang around with people once a month and have enough of it, then back to the chins and isolation

>>382595991
but you do share them on steam

>>382595991
normal person, rather

>>382580584

Why? GoG version and Steam version cant play together so what would be the point.

>>382596091
I don't think there are any toddlercon bestiality games on steam, or anything even remotely near it so I'm good. Also wouldn't buy VNs or the like on steam since they're all pirate fodder

>>382595645
What can you not already respec that I seem to be unaware of? inb4 I'm forgetting something glaringly obvious

>>382596091
Internet friends are theoretically less likely to be judgmental than irl friends.

>>382596105
>normal person
At least you didn't go with 'normie'.

>>382596308
>Internet friends
we're talking about RL ones
>>382596273
Isn't the school dating or w/e on steam?

>>382596308

Im assuming attribute points and mastery points. You cant currently respec those right now, just actual skills and devotions

>>382580584
I don't understand the appeal of ladders. Isn't the fun of games like this that you can take them on at your own pace without thinking too much about it?

>>382596380
What one?

>>382596443
See, att was what I was thinking of. You get a lot of att points though.
That makes me wonder: How many of you do all the quests and how often (per character, per difficulty, etc.)?

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>>382553128
why are doblo fans so autistic?

>>382596542
The really popular one, it even has its own general on /vg/ iirc

>>382592790
You will need a certain Relic for that with that mastery combination. Like Bladesworn Talisman.

WHERE IS MY WARBORN AND ULTOS GEAR

>>382596720
Not sure mate, there's lots of popular schoolgirl dating sims.

>people clamoring for ladders so they dont feel alone
>tfw i like this game because i can just play it single player

same reason i played borderlands 2 so much

>>382596549

Do all the quests dood, theyre worth a shitload of XP

Not to mention the inventory expansions and skill points and other shit.

Do bounties too

>>382593648
>put all points in Skills and none in the Mastery Bar
>die all the time
W O W
O
W

>>382597465
I normally do. That was more of a general question directed at the thread, out of curiosity.

>>382592790

Certain Blues and Purples allow you to dual* wield as well

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>>382597340
school life 2 or something

>>382545248
>But better

Its worse in every single regard. That said, a shabby Titan Quest clone is better than D3 or POE

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>>382597805
>mfw

>>382596549
If I'm rushing a character to 85 I'll do pretty much all the quests, with the exceptions being the Anasteria quests that require you to use a skeleton key on normal/elite. Outside of the very beginning of the game quests are your best source of xp so they're definitely worth it.

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>>382597503
>implying i didn't
>implying i care
Drive by shitposting is my favorite

>>382597805
Ah. Doesn't really seem that far out there, just a little silly is all. Also not something I'd bother playing, but I don't think "normalfags" would be upset about that

>>382598510
It was a bad example i guess, those types takes you as far as your imagination goes

>>382597805
just like my chinese cartoons

>>382545108
Why does this game looks like trash? i mean depressing artstyle and awful looking models and textures. Also i pirated it long time ago and got bored after 10min.
TitanQuest was 100x better both in graphics and gameplay.

>why does a post apocalyptic game have a bland artstyle
I swear you fuckers will find any excuse to call a game bad.

>>382584405
Torchlight 2 is a piece of boring garbage.

>>382598707
I mean my friends know about Honey Select and have seen modded Skyrim and such through me. Maybe they're not entirely normal, but they're not really fucked up or anything. All have jobs and girlfriends and such. Though to be honest I've kind of lost track of what we were actually discussing here

The size is of the dungeon leading up to the warden is fucking massive. Do they get even bigger later on?

>>382598334
Post your build then and where you got "stuck". Normal or Veteran Mode? You are doing something wrong no matter what as the game isn't difficult even without gear and on Veteran Mode with your first character. So let me help you in case you still care about playing the game.

>>382599750
I'm playing on veteran mode, i'm stuck on the third or forth area i think, it's been a really long time. The farms that have plague or radiation or whatever the fuck that green shit is everywhere, that's where i am. I think i'm stuck because none of my gear has elemental resistances. I've tried respecing and trying 10 different things and none of it works, i had the most luck with primal strike and the healing totem but healing doesn't matter when i just get wrecked in 3 hits by normal mobs. I'm ready to just scrap the character and give up i don't know what else i can try.

>>382599697
Some areas do, yeah. Notably the dungeons that require a skeleton key to enter are pretty huge.

>>382546153
I'm sure your parents feel the same way about you.

>>382569550
It's cool for the skill but other than that, you're better off using the Clairvoyant Hat, it's much less of a pain and unless you're making a pure arcanist build, it's better.

>>382600269
Alright, I'm going to assume your problem is gear then. I would recommend getting GD Item Assistant so you can store as many items as you want which will make it easier for future characters to get the items you need. You should probably try crafting some gear with the Blacksmith if you don't have anything good right now. Resistances aren't really that important until Elite, Ultimate. I think it's generally better to just get more Health from Gear. I also put almost all my Attribute Points into Physique. There's probably no need to scrap the character, but I can't tell what the exact problem is without more specific information.

>>382599697
Yeah. I like how smooth the end of Act I was. Act II feels disjointed, but at least Acts III and IIII hold a coherent story that builds up.

>>382601042
It's pretty much BiS for an aether AAR build, and is good for CT depending on your other gear choices. Hell, I've recently seen a BWC sorcerer variant that uses it to great success apparently.

>>382600269
Upload C:\Users\(You)\Documents\My Games\Grim Dawn\save\main\_(character name)\player.gdc on http://www.grimtools.com/calc/ clicking the top left button, then click the button below and post the link here.

>>382601281
>tfw just finished act 1
>already excited to make new characters and try out new builds
>have to keep myself from it

I just know if I start making new characters now I'll never finish this game. I looked at the world map and it's massive. This game seems pretty long.

>>382600269
>>382601238
Another thing you should look at is Devotions. The Dryad constellation is pretty good for getting Health back. And what's the second mastery on your Shaman or what do you intend to pick for him? Are you using a 2H weapon? Soldier is always good for more survivability. And with a shield you can use Menhir's Will which is a fantastic skill for more suvivability.

>>382601663
hol up, that's for local saves, if you have steam cloud it's (steam folder)\userdata\(first folder)\219990\remote\save etc..

>>382601749
Play whatever you have the most fun with, dood. If you enjoy playing different builds more than exploring the content then do it. The game iwll be there.

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TFW the titan quest boards went down for no reason one day and never came back

so what to do with the million pieces of gear you get? Just sell them? Or can you break them down into materials?

>>382603502
Save certain pieces for other builds.

>>382599572
*autistic screeching*

>>382603502
Sell shitty greens (keep an eye out for good rolls though), break down spare legendaries you get for rare mats. You can either sell high level blues or break them down too if you really want scrap.

anyone using any of the newer sets? they look cool but i havent found a build for them yet

>>382600269
you died there m8? >>382601663 >>382602020