Learn Japanese play Japanese games, what's so hard?

I'm learning Chinese instead, I'll probably be promoted to manager if I learn this, because it's so useful with handling our Chinese warehouses

It's much harder though

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>>382530703
Learning another language, gaining motivation to do so, and having a reason to learn in the first place.

>>382530847
Chinese sounds terrible.

>>382530703
The "Learn Japanese" part.
Shit's all retarded squiggles and fuckin' dumb. I have a bad memory for shit like that, so it's even worse.

>Need another alphabet to read your one alphabet so your native speakers even know what the fuck they're reading.
For what purpose?

>>382530703
You weebs bully me for even trying to learn the language
>>382530847
If you value your sanity, don't learn anything from china. I'll post a couple of images in a minute.

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>learning a shit language just to remain in NEETdom

>>382531052
>You weebs bully me for even trying to learn the language

Someone might bully you for being a DJT EOP, but definitely not for wanting to learn.

>>382530847
>I'm learning Chinese instead
Oh shit, I'm sorry.

>>382530703
>what's so hard?
Learning Japanese.

>>382530847
Don't learn Chinese. Learn literally anything else instead. Maybe Russian? Then you can enjoy all those crazy slav games

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>>382531052

>>382531108
I'm learned it to continue my education in Japan.

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>learning Japanese for videosgames

>not learning the language so you can read untranslated books and not just weaboo degenerate desires

>>382530847
>>382531052
>>382531148
>>382531175
That said, learning Cantonese might be cool if you didn't want to use it for anything

>>382530847
>Chinese
>It's much harder though

Hahahahaha. That's what Chinafags actually believe. Chinese is easy as shit compared to Japanese senpai. I know a dozen or so people who have learned both in parallel and not one of them would agree with you.

>grammar is a joke
>kanji set to easy modo
>the only slightly more difficult thing are the phonetics

>>382531329
that doesn't make any sense. you can learn any language for that. like romanian, or hungarian, whatever.

>>382530703
Fuck off DJT.

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learning ANY new language to a level of fluency is extremely difficult... add on top of that that you'll be solo studying, with people acting like you're wasting your time and constantly talking shit because you're doing something that they don't have the patience to do... learning a new language is the ultimate anti-beta test, because everyone will try to bring you down, but if you succeed you'll feel really good about yourself. (not talking about any western languages, they should be pretty straight forward since they're basically just derivations of latin, i mean east asian languages)

>>382531338
china is harder and you don't have to be a chinafag to think that. the language is literally, incorrect.

>>382530981
>For what purpose?

Poor phonetic variance. The Japanese have way fewer sounds than we do, so having kanji really helps you distinguish between homophones. Also no fucking spaces between tokens. Reading a paragraph of pure hiragana is a nightmare.

They could probably change to something like the roman alphabet with some modifications, but that's hardly going to happen anytime soon.

>>382531478
Hello my Chinese friend! It seems that you are trying to learn English. Please head to our subsidiary /r/english for more advice.

Yours full of shit, buddy. Chinese is peanuts compared to Japanese, Arabic and even fucking Russian.

日本語は無理じゃないよー

無理なことなんてないよー

自分を信じて、頑張ろうよ

僕と日本語を学ぼうーー!

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>>382531615
>saying that mandarin/cantonese is literally an incorrect language makes me a chinese
do you have a complex of chasing down ghosts?

>>382531657
今日JLPTを受けたかい?

>>382531719
>china is harder
>the language is literally, incorrect

Off to reddit with you, ESL.

>>382530703
>>>/jp/
go worship somewhere else

>>382530703
Why would I do that?

>>382531458
>(not talking about any western languages, they should be pretty straight forward since they're basically just derivations of latin, i mean east asian languages)
Confirmed for not knowing what you're talking about.

>>382530847
Chinese is a great idea, and people saying otherwise are faggots who've seen a few memes and nothing else. It's also only arguably harder than Japanese. You've still gotta learn characters in Japanese, only this time it's all fucky.

>>382531719
The language can't be incorrect, you dumb fuck. It's a fucking identity. The entity defining a language is always correct by definition.

>>382531726

一級を挑戦してみたがなんとなくしくじった気がしてきた

>>382532037
french, spanish, german, swedish... all pretty straight forward

>>382531312
If people on here did that, they'd never bother with Japanese.

>>382531726
this is fucking ridiculous
like 受 means - Acceptance and is pronounced Ju
but if you add け it means -received and it's pronounced "uke"
what the fuck is this bullshit

>>382532083
気にすることない
失敗しても次はあるんだ

>>382532106
I'm sorry, but you're wrong: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/IndoEuropeanTree.svg

They do all have quite a few elements of Latin in them through cross-population. That makes learning them much easier, since you already know most of the advanced vocabulary and don't have to learn East Asian shi, chi, chu words.

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>>382532154
Just give up now.

>>382532106
B A I T
A
I
T

>>382531808
Right, no point trying to talk with a blockheaded shitter who only hunts cheap (You)'s

>>382532235
please explain bojisama

>>382530847
>Chinese_Steel.jpg

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>>382531175

>>382530703
I would if it were like a normal language that doesn't have a million variations of incoherent scribbles.

>>382532218
that's what i'm saying, if you already know one latin derived language it's much easier to go back up the language tree then down it to the respective similar language's "branch," rather than leaving the tree and going to a wholly NEW tree to learn

>lol if you learn Chinese you will be DOOOOMED to deal with Chinese people!
>you can't learn two languages
>you can't just say you don't want to deal with Chinese people
>that's not allowed

>>382532361
Plus Japanese gets easier if you know Chinese.

>>382532252
No point talking to somebody who can't write in comprehensible fucking English, senpai.

>Weebs trying to look like Japanese and think it's cool
nothing is more disgusting and funny

>>382532348
I think what you're looking for is the term Indo European rather than Latin. In that regard you are indeed correct.

>>382532348
So you're saying that learning different western languages is difficult as well, glad you agree.

>>382532427
Look like? Who do you mean? Kanadajin3?

>>382532361
>learn Chinese
>not use it
>makes total sense

>>382532563
>learn Japanese
>not for work, no
>for vidya games and niche hentai
This is "using" it, huh?

>>382532493
it's not EASY, i'm just saying that since east asian languages have little to nothing in common structurally with european languages they take more time to adapt to
>>382532475
i thought that all european languages were derived from latin? isn't that the point of the term "romance languages" or whatever??

>>382532628
Still makes more sense than learning Chinese so you can do even less than play RPGs and read porn with it

>>382532628

>stop doing what you want to do! Do what i want you to do!!

Uhh no thnx bitchboy

>>382532628
But my Japanese is for me desu, though I would understand it if someone wished to learn it solely to consume pop culture.* Too bad China has fucking none.

* Never actually met anyone who succeeded in learning Japanese to a decent degree just to watch animu. Many people who tried, but none who actually succeeded.

>native speaker called my japanese awesome today on hello talk

learning this shit the only thing i have motivation for these days (wage slave), so that felt good.

>>382532154
You mean adding something to a base changes it? That's fucking crazy. What language even does that?

>>382532864
well english doesn't

>>382532735
Look at the diagram. Romance languages are a small subset of all European languages. They are all derived from Proto-Indo-European, which is as far as I remember my undergrad not necessarily a language that actually existed but more of a hypothetical construct. Latin appears much too late to account for other languages that have already existed and during its time.

>>382532864
He means how kanji has kun'yomi and on'yomi which are completely different.

It might seem like a weird concept initially.

>>382532735
Not to be terribly rude, but you seem poorly educated mate. Romance language only applies to languages like Italian, Spanish and French. Germanic languages are an entirely different tree. Same with Slavic. Yes, all languages might have *some* latin words, but the languages aren't based on latin.

And of course learning a related language is easier. Just like it would be easier for a chinese person to learn japanese.

>>382530703
Normal people learn Dutch and Russian to enjoy high literature in its original form
Degenerates like you learn japanese to masturbate to hentai and weeb shit
Please do a favor to society and kill yourself

>>382532892

English gets even worse

>i read a book

>i read a book

How did you read those? Too bad one of them is pronounced reed and another is pronounced red

>>382532825
It's even funnier if you live in Japan for a bit and have Japanese middle schoolers come over to you and ask if they can take a picture with you. Would have been really awkward if a friend of mine hadn't told me in advance that that might happen.

>>382532741
You can, you know, read the vast reams of literature China is famous for.
>>382532754
Nigga did you read the post I was replying to?
>>382532807
Plebs like you don't deserve to post on my board.

>>382532892
>adding a t after an i doesn't make something new
okay dere frenn.

>>382530703
Name 10 good games games that I need to learn Japanese to play.

>>382532154
>受 means - Acceptance
Actually, it means Vedana, feeling. Your simplified retard material has just designated it as "Acceptance" because it's used in a few words like 受注. Wait until you run into 受付!

>>382532978
Dutchfag here. We have high literature?

>>382533037
i think you should stick with learning english buddy

>>382532950
ya i'm really not educated in the language stems of any language, it's a long way away from any formal education that i have. I just assumed that since they are all spatially close that they all have similar stems (not sure about slavic languages, but western european languages including german for sure)

>>382532913
oh really??? so latin didn't influence language development in western europe?

>>382533005
You could also read the thousands of books of Jap literature that never get translated. AND play rpgs and read porn.

Honestly if you're doing it for literature you're better off learning Japanese because it has a deeper modern literature than China does on account of not being a cultural vacuum for most of the 20th century

>>382533005
>vast reams of literature China is famous for

What, are you going to read the fucking Chinese classics that Chinese culture has been limited to for centuries until the Europeans broke it open and the classics quickly turned to Maoist fantasies about the countryside? If you want to read classic literature, at least learn something like Russian that actually has a body of classics not consisting entirely of wank, you orientalist faggot.

>>382533148
Well, they really don't. German is very distinct from French.

>>382533148
>oh really??? so latin didn't influence language development in western europe?

Just about as much as every other major language before or after it. Let it go, bud.

>>382533180
>gogol
>chekhov
>dostoevsky
>tolstoy
>maybe some nabokov
and that's it

>>382533180
I already know life sucks anon, I don't need to read Russian literature.

>>382533154
>AND play rpgs and read porn.
Uh, yeah. Or you could read the more abundant and better-written Chink material. Honestly RPGs and porn just aren't a factor in deciding what to learn.

Besides, I'll probably learn Japanese at some point too.
>>382533180
Obviously. I'm not all that interested in anyone's modern literature.

And desu I'd probably be learning Russian were it not for the fact I hate Russia with a passion. Plus, Russian works at least translate well enough into English -- Chinese ones don't.
>>382533269
c'mon

>>382533238
i was just curious, i wasn't trying to tell you that you're wrong

>>382533204
ok

>>382533269
>chinese civil servant examination
and that's all

>>382533327
>ok
But he's right you passive-aggressive faggot.

>>382533310
You'll learn shit, you subhuman.

>>382533342
if you can FIND books from the imperial eras of china they might be interesting, but you're retarded if you don't think that the maoists haven't tampered/censored/burned all of them yet

>>382533310
>more abundant and better-written Chink material.
If you consider dusty old bullshit from 700 years ago to be the peak of literature then sure. Otherwise no.
And if you are actually interested in that over modern works your opinion is fairly niche and you shouldn't project it onto everybody else like a dumbfuck.

>>382530703
I'm doing it anon! if only to still know what's going on in my cartoons when my dog stands in front of my face because he's decided it's time to be petted.

>>382533379
Japanese really does seem kinda useless. I mean most things are translated into English anyway, and it's not like Japan's ever written anything to rival China. But I am kinda interested in it. It'll depend on how easy it is to learn after Chinese.
>>382533441
I do, so fuck you.

>>382533374
i was literally saying ok as in "okay, i didn't know" stop fucking projecting, i'm not trying to start and argument

>>382533310
>c'mon
hm

>>382533469
how fucking retarded are you
jesus dude

>>382533543
>doesn't even know German and French are different languages
>pretends to know anything about Russian lit
hmm

>>382533154
Japan has a really good selection of early 20th century literature. It takes a bit of time to get going after the Meiji restoration, but Natsume Soseki is pretty rad. By contrast China is a fucking wasteland in terms of modern cultural heritage. It also attracts the most obnoxious people imaginable.

>>382533620
>It also attracts the most obnoxious people imaginable
Not even close to Japan though, which gets the same kinda people only also the weebs and also the turboliberal richkids who wanna feel special.

>>382533469
I am pretty sure that Chinese classics have been translated to a considerably wider degree than early and mid-modern Japanese literature.

>>382533614
well let's hear some authors then

>>382531312
>non-natives learning enough japanese to read their classic literature

why would you waste 340 years of your life like that?

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>>382530703
im learning grammar right now and its kind of tricky

why didn't they just make up kanji/symbols for their particles?

Good beginner Japanese games that are also good and not literal kiddy games?

>>382533652

That was in the late 90s and 2000s.

Nowadays they are in the chinese program

>>382533652
Weebs don't ever come close to mastering Japanese. Those that do have long stopped being weebs at that point. China studies wankers remain obnoxious for life though.

>>382533736
Participles?

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>>382533683
>tfw I only know Romance of the Three kingdoms from the Dynasty warriors games
Are the four chinese great novels worth a read?

>>382533736
There is no semantic meaning in something like the genitive.

>>382533741
super mario rpg
mother series
dragon quest series

it might sound odd but why not try the japanese versions of western games

>>382533741
I don't know if it's good as I just bought it but http://store.steampowered.com/app/438270/Learn_Japanese_To_Survive_Hiragana_Battle/
is two dolla or free.

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>>382533683
Actually no, they usually have only a few translations and often most of them are written by gormless turn-of-the-century hacks. And we're talking about the really famous stuff here.
>>382533717
Nigga you didn't even mention Pushkin.
>>382533754
>>382533763
>pic related

>>382533905
plebkin more like

>>382530847
Where's that picture of that anon's struggles with shifty chinamen when you need it

>>382533958
Already posted, with most of the replies to that comment being references to it.

>Learning a meme language for the sole purpose of being able to consume more yellow goblin media like the filthy shameless weeb that you are
die

>>382533985
Hey! I'm also gonna get a qt gf!

>>382533905
A few translations is not exactly little.

>>382533985
>not investing in your hobby

>>382533180
>The vast reams of Chinese literature consisting of 4 books, only 2 of which are worth a shit

>>382533978
Yeah I really should have scrolled down a bit

>>382534054
>consisting of 4 books
My nig cannot into Tang poetry.

>>382534010
Word. Go to Japan for a year or so for business reasons and if you speak some modest conversational Japanese you can easily find an absolute qt. I did.

>>382534140
Disgusting.

>>382531338
>kanji set to easy modo
firstly, fuck off with this japanese name for hanzi
secondly, the characters that are present in both languages are exactly the same or extremely similiar, but chinese has much more of them (thousands compared to japan's hundreds)

>>382534167
>compared to japan's hundreds
>hundreds
can you please stop talking out your ass

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Now that I think about it, do the k-pop weebs learn korean?

literally what culture and literature is behind korean history

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>>382534140
>>382534165
if you go to jp hire a tutor

>>382530703
hi thryack

>>382534239
>do the k-pop weebs learn korean?
very few
koreaboos are just waifufags and you don't need language to jerk off

>>382534239
Compared to Nip and Chink, nothing.

Great for getting locked up in an NK jail though.

>>382534029
>Investing as much as learning a language with multiple alphabets to be able to read shitty porn games
At least learn a language for something worthwhile, like visiting or moving to a non-english speaking country

>>382534167
top kek sempai
Both the Chinese and the Japanese are expected to know around 3-4k kanji, but you can be sure as fuck that there is a considerably higher proportion of Japanese who actually know as many than they are Chinese. Go back to your hick sweatshop.

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>>382534239
yes, they do (i'm one of them), although i didn't learn it for kpop. korea actually has really long standing culture but japan basically burned the country to the ground during WW2 and the culture now is basically america-lite with an east asian twist.

however, MOST people that go to korea, even for work, don't put the time in to learn korean. even if they're there teaching english they don't bother, so a lot of koreans resent them for it

>>382534239
>>literally what culture and literature is behind korean history
They've got some hilarious newly created knock-off "culture", it's actually kind of sad how hard they try and pretend that they invented everything and then the chinks stole it all.

>>382534285
Just going to social events was enough in my case. If your Japanese is still shoddy, Tinder is an international phenomenon, though it also comes with the usual problem of being open to the general public than whatever social circle you'd like to stay in.

>>382534417
what else is there to their culture beyond being subjugated

>>382534237
>>382534384
sure made myself sound like a chink there I guess
some faggot who's learning japanese claimed that there's only a couple hundred kanji so I believed him, now I checked and apparently there's around 50k
wew

>>382534417
>korea actually has really long standing culture
Holy shit, did you actually fall for that bullshit? Korea has never, and will never have, any culture. They're shapeshifters at best.

>>382534495
This.

Korea was a poor shithole throughout history right up until like fifty years ago.

>>382534239
>literally what culture and literature is behind korean history

Chinese culture until 1910. Japanese (aka American) culture from 1910 until 1945. American culture from 1945.

>>382534329
>alphabets
Retard

>>382534504
>apparently there's around 50k
Another swing and a miss. Technically, any hanzi could be recognised as a kanji, but in reality the official list is only about 4.5k, with the general public knowing 1.7k, and college graduates/readers being between 2.5-3.5k. Only scholars and spergs who want to pass the kanken know all 4.5k.

>>382534417
>korea actually has really long standing culture but japan

He actually believes them, the absolute madman.

Do you have a special fan with a timer to protect against fan death too?

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>>382534495
>>382534529
i know there are a lot of imperial buildings. desu i just learned so that i could play broodwar with them and talk to qt3.14s

>>382534504
Nobody learns that many either in Chinese or Japanese. JLPT N1, which is the highest level of a Japanese test for foreigners, is 2000 kanji. As an educated native, you are expected to know 3500ish. From thereon its mostly optional stuff that you really don't need all that much. Chinese isn't any different. Note that kanji are not the same as vocab since they are usually used with one or two other kanji, which changes the meaning of the word considerably.

>>382534475
What kind of events did you go to? (and how did you find them?)

I've been going out at weekends a lot lately, but just can't find anybody good (that I'd want to properly date).
And I've got no idea how to get a girl for something casual.

Everyone says my jap is fluent, so no language problems.

>>382534721
Would those have been mostly bombed in early 1950s?

>>382534721
>imperial buildings
pssssh even china and japan have better imperial buildings and temples. name a single unique thing about korean culture

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>tfw want to learn japanese
>tfw not patient or smart enough

>>382534662
>>382534742
the source that states there's 50k claims that the vast majority of them is hardly ever used and 1000 is enough to understand 90% of whatever you read, sounds somewhat plausible

>>382534772
What is your status? JET? Exchange student? Company employee? Rural or urban area?

>>382534772
You're probably just a fat obese American shit nobody not matter the language or country could like. No need to worry about it.

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>tfw every week you're able to understand more of untranslated manga pages, video game and anime dialog
Feels good, but I'm worried about hitting the first plateau.

>>382534772
if you have any, try asking your japanese friends about group dating

Any good youtube videos for learning not beginner grammar?

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Japanese is only "useful" to shut in gigaNEETs

>>382534721
You do realize that South Korea has been the backwater of the nation before certain fat someone bombed a lot of shit.

There may have been some culture left in the North but being Commies, they most likely made sure to tear it all down.
South never had anything of note to begin with.

>>382534417
>korea actually has really long standing culture

Koreaboo indeed

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>>382534827
the qts tho man
>>382534794
i have no idea, like i said i'm ignorant. when i went i just drank a lot, played a lot of starcraft, and talked to girls

Absolute lol at local EOPs who think retarded bullshit like >>382534961

>>382535019
It's okay. The field is so underdeveloped at this point that you can be a serious Korea Studies academic and be a total uncritical Korea fanboy without anyone batting an eye. A long way away from Japanese and Chinese studies.

>>382535067
t. autistic pedophile

>>382534827
The turtle ship! Bruce Cummings say so! He's a faggot though.

>>382535171
Run back to your McJob.

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>>382535067
>EOP

English + German master race, kid.

>>382535230
In the context of an English discussion of Japanese games/languages other languages are usually ignored and the term EOP is used for anyone who doesn't know Japanese.

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>>382535112
>a serious Korea Studies academic
I can imagine a white kpop-weeb unironically studying this

>>382535056
I think gooks honestly have the most disgusting women in the world. It's like all the worst aspects of American fakery, overdone makeup, plastic faces, mixed with the flat Asian bodytype that needs it the absolute least.

If they'd developed their own standard of beauty, that would be one thing. But instead they're just America's abortion baby. Even the flips aren't this bad.

>>382534856
Company employee, working near Roppongi and living in Taito-ku (so can go most places in Tokyo easily).

I usually go to otaku gatherings (to find someone with same hobbies) but they tend to be 90% men, so not very reliable. Did meet my ex at one, but I feel it was a rare case.
Could just be a problem of the gatherings I'm going to, though.

>>382534863
Nah, not American. And more the stereotypical skinny guy you'd imagine from /v/.

>>382534873
I have been to 合コン a few times, but not met anyone that has kept my interest yet. As for other otaku I know, everyone is in the same boat.

>>382535230
>proud of being an ESLOP
You know that's even worse, right?

>>382535067

I'm living in Japan currently and I speak almost no Japanese at all. I've been here two years. What Japanese I know was taught to me by various girlfriends, which is why I know how to count, or order off a menu, and I forgot half that shit immediately after being taught it. I guess if you're uggo and want to sit around playing vidya without a localization, then by all means learn Japanese, but it's totally unnecessary for me. I can't be bothered to respond to any replies to this post, since I have to take a nap now cause my QT bartender gf is gonna come to my apartment after work so she can wake me up to watch movies and drink champagne. We're going to go to eat Sapporo style ramen tomorrow, and then catch the new Pirates movie (after I fuck her brains out).

Ever pushed into a Japanese girl for the first time, and have her burst into frantic Japanese after having spoken broken English all night? I've literally never been harder in my life.

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>>382535302
>Y-you're an e-english o-only pleb

>Even though you're bilingual!

dumb anime addicted NEETs.

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>>382534636
>Implying I care
I don't claim to know anything about Japanese as a language because I don't see the point in learning it for something so shallow, but enjoy feeling smug and superior for being able to translate rice hieroglyphs in your favourite sengoku rance VN I guess.

>>382535314
It is generally useful to have academia doing serious area studies. Difficult to do business with a country when there is a jack shit written about it. The downside with Korea is that it's still mostly Korea Ho!

>>382535421
date an otaku then

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>>382535386
i love that look though, it's something about that combination of SUPER slutty with trying to pretend to be a good girl.

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>>382535386
All asians look the same anyway.

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>>382535229
>he doesn't have a salaried 6 figures profession

>>382535486
That is the problem anon, i can't find any suitable otaku girls. I'm asking for advice on how to find them.

>>382532218
Don't forget the Uralic european languages (Hungarian, Estonian, Finnish) which have nothing at all to do with the entire Indo-European group. Although they do use latin alphabet, they're so different from everything else spoken in Europe you might as well be trying to learn moonspeak. Who the fuck needs eighteen grammatical cases expressed solely through declensions?

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>>382535495
good luck, never have children though

>>382535421
Easy enough then. Join a cooking school. Guaranteed cuties there with useful skillsets. At the very least you get some good food out of it. Thing about Japanese society is that its a bit difficult to get anywhere without being in the group and the group of otakus is probably not exactly what you're aiming for.

If you absolutely want something casual, just install Tinder. Guaranteed success. I'd go with a cooking school though.

>>382535598
what is 'suitable' for you

sounds like your standards are too high

>>382535643
Nonsense. Just make sure to open two mutual funds once they are born. One for college and one for their plastic surgeries.

>>382535724
>open a mutual fund
>what did he mean by this

>>382535630
Yeah, no kidding. There's also gaelic, but you may as well not waste time learning that since even the Irish don't give a shit about it anymore.

>>382535763
Start buying MSCI ACWI IMI. A lot.

Why do those without the will to put time and effort into learning something to further their hobbies get so mad at those who do have the will?

>>382535862
i think you meant trust fund not mutual fund, mutual funds imply professional management with a prospectus and regular press releases with regard to changes in fund distribution/performance

>>382535441
German's the second language

>>382534456
Having a puppet leader secretly controlled by a feminist cult is pretty interesting culture.

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>Learn Japanese to play Evenicle
>Finally able to kinda get what's going on
>English translation announced

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>>382535943
>shitpost about others trying to further thier hobby
>at the same time put the time and effort into furthering my own hobby

You can't stop me.

>>382536114
I know, right? I'm gyro/burger and I'm jealous because neither of my governments are fucked to that level.

>>382535943
Fox and the grapes, it always is. Imagine being too lazy to do anything with your day, it breeds a lot of resentment for the people who do.

You can brush off stuff like other people getting jobs by saying they're normies, it's a lot harder when it's people who are doing something you'd give a finger for in a heartbeat. So instead they come up with weak excuses or lash out, because it's a defense mechanism against the reality they don't want to face.

>>382535804
True. I also forgot to mention Basque, which is only interesting because it doesn't appear to have any relatives anywhere in the world.

>>382535651
>Thing about Japanese society is that its a bit difficult to get anywhere without being in the group and the group of otakus is probably not exactly what you're aiming for.
Yeah, to be honest not so much interested in being in the group, just want a qt to play games with.
I see, cooking school does sound like it would have good girls there. As you say couldn't hurt to get better at cooking myself.

Installed tinder last week and got a few matches since then, but not really sure how to take it from there. I suppose after exchanging a few messages inviting them out for drinks should be enough?

>>382535667
Same age or younger, available, not a デブ
I just don't meet otaku girls in general, don't think it is a standards problem.

>>382535979
Duly noted. I only do my investments in German and there the general term is "investment fund". My dictionary returned "mutual fund", but it seems that definition is actually a bit too specific.

So next year I'm moving to Japan. Already lived there before, passed N1 etc. so no problems. I only want to ask what video games should I play to pass time.

>>382536257
Do you know Japanese? Or is your job one of the English ones?

>>382536269
play all of your favorite japanese made games but....in japanese!

its what im gonna do

>>382536257
Just had to the izakaya and take it from there. Don't worry if the first few don't work out and don't go for just anyone. You really have the luxury of choice in Japan.

>>382530703
I'm taking classes four times a week.
I'm also lazy though and always post-pone studying kanji.

>>382536257
>not a デブ
It's okay, bro. We're all fat in Japan. My European buds ask me if I'm not ill due to being too skinny, my fiancee says I'm fat. It's a fucking circus.

>>382536263
sorry i'm a finance autist, it doesn't really make a big difference. MSCI ACWI IMI is an index though, which always pretty much has the exact same distributions between companies/securities with minimal professional management (hence the lower fee), where as mutual funds are actively managed so they have higher fees. not sure how similar it is in germany?? i assume it's the exact same

>>382531338
Are you implying that japanese grammar is in any way difficult?

I want to go see the Olympics in Japan because they took place there in 2020 in Akira, so I'm learning Japanese with duolingo right now

>>382536525
It's literally the same. I'm a finance autist myself, just from a different place. ETFs under 0.75% management fee, actively managed funds at 1.5-3%. Probably the same just about everywhere. Our capital gains tax is a bitch though. 25%. The first 801 Euro are free though.

>>382536364
But you'll never get there.

Does anyone in asian lift? Would I be a giant in Japan?

>>382536631
Not in the same way as slavic or romance grammar. The word order takes a long time to get used to though.

>>382536736
yes i will

>>382531458
>my dad told me i'm a faggot for learning japanese just for videogames but i still did it
>holy shit i'm so fucking alpha guys

>>382536745
No, yes.

>>382536769
Hmm, fair enough, I guess JET accepts almost everyone.

>>382530703
>Learn Japanese
ok
>to play shitty indie gook games
no thanks

>>382536324
No problems with Japanese at all, the place I use English the most nowadays is 4chan.

>>382536382
I suppose 1 on 1 drinking is the best to get anywhere (I'm always just going to 飲み会)
Will need to find some izakaya to invite girls to then

>>382533076
>Nigga hasnt read Vondel or Nescio
Yeah we actually have

>>382536773
theres a certain level of obfuscation required for it to work

for example i doubt my family would be as impressed if i revealed the reason why i decided to teach myself japanese is because of vidya

>>382536848
>Don't learn Jap
ok
>Put up with SJW cuck games that hamfist cis white male hate ranting.
God no.

>>382536676
it really sucks because i work in investment banking but there are so many damn government regulations in the US that i'm not even allowed to invest unless it's an ETF or mutual fund without SEC oversight.. our capital gains tax is a little lower but they always move the interest/CG taxes around every election

i'm trying to move to korea to get into commercial real estate trusts for when north korea falls, but finance in east asia is so fucked.. japan is basically US light, but china and south korea are SUPER heavily regulated and like impossible to break into from an investment banking perspective

>>382536869
Cool. Good luck getting your Japanese waifu.

>>382536502
Wait a minute. My missus calls me デブ as well! I thought I was special...

>>382535598
>otaku girls

Just stop, you're better off finding someone who is willing to get into your hobbies than someone who already has them.

>>382536210
>>382535943
>he wastes massive amounts of time for low reward when it would be 1000x better spent learning other languages like German
nobody is mad kid, it's just pathetic you spend thousands of hours to play untranslated shitty content, usually which is just for the cartoon CP in it.

>>382536160
this

>>382536257
you can just shame and guilt them into not being pig-like in appearance

>>382537367
Too bad German is going to be replaced with Afrikaans and Halal speak.

>>382537472
afrikaans is only spoken by white south africans with a dutch legacy though

>>382537472
>somehow this untranslates all the fantastic german literature which has been written
?

>>382536962
I had a pretty funny experience opening an account at a broker in Japan recently. Essentially, I wanted to know whether one of the ETFs they are selling using physical replication or swaps. The lady in charge of new customers of course didn't know, so she called her boss. The boss didn't know either. Eventually the third guy who was said to be in charge of equities could figure it out. The amount of information provided is fairly meh compared to EU brokers. Not even going to go how very few funds there are in Japan.

Seems like the Japanese public is not hugely excited about investment following the bubble economy either. Daiwa has really nice armchairs in their offices though.

>>382537621
Mein Kafka. Just kill me already. Best German literature is Swiss anyway.

>>382530703
I'm not gonna learn moonrunes just to jack off to niche RPG-maker games.

>ITT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0wY-mbLcuU

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>>382533985
No.

Japs go crazy over blonde foreigners, but would they even give a shit about a chink american like me?

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>>382537713

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>>382537776
yes, japs love chinks you'll be adored by all

>>382537784
>S-SEX IS FOR FUCKING NERDS ANYWAY
There, you just read all of Schopenhauer.

>>382537776
No because you look just like them. You are not special.

>>382537631
not sure how it is on the buy side, i just know that JP has a lot of wall street banks on the sell side over there (that i assume meet SEC standards given their parent offices, because otherwise it would be impossible for them to sell in the US)

I hate all of you.

>>382537860
>>382537906
Figures.

>>382537020
Thanks anon, will give it a shot

>>382537349
I've heard a few people doing this actually, I suppose it'd be much easier to find someone that way.

Although I'm intending to start cosplaying (currently deciding on who to do first), so maybe can meet someone at those kind of events. I hear that there are a lot of メンヘラ however.

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>>382537873

>>382537367
Why would anyone waste their time on a worthless language like German? To watch old episodes of Inspector Rex?

>>382532892
>admire
>admirable

>>382537920
It is really difficult to find out. The individual securities have information provided in both English and Japanese, but short of grabbing a book on the topic there are very few materials documenting the standards in English. Hell, I don't even know if the issuers of ETFs isolate their securities. The capital gains tax is pretty low though. 20.5% or so.

>>382538307
their prospectuses/prosups don't have all of the SPE data regarding the isolation?? generally they will at least have something in there like a partnered legal firm vouching for the "separateness" of the SPEs. i'm used to seeing all of the back end documents so i'm not sure what exactly is available to investors, but i know the prospectus should have all of that info... if not you should ask the issuing director what the hell he's thinking

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I am learning Japanese but I'm still at "my house is red" preschooler tier.

私の家は赤いです

>>382537745
how long until he tries to kill himself

wa-ta-shi-wa-pen-desu
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwテラワロス

Weebs are fucking pathetic subhumans

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>>382536754
>start learning Croatian
>mfw the literal hundreds of lessons of grammar
>need to conjugate everything, even nouns, adjectives, and adverbs

>>382530703
Don't need to, Evenicle's finally getting a translation.

>>382538473
It seems to be fairly thin, but then again, I think the two things that may be to blame is that I am usually still working with English materials for things where I can fuck up and that even then so far there hasn't been much of a reason to go through them in any detail as I keep most of my investments in my home country. How a prospect fails to mention what replication method is used for an ETF is beyond me though. Of course it turned out to be a swap.

>>382530703
>implying I haven't tried and given up 7-9 times
I'm irreperably retarded and undisciplined

I have a question for the Japanese speakers. Does the Japanese language have any obsolete kanji that aren't used anymore, even in literature? Like the words prithee in English or goupil in French.

>>382536884
>dezelfde paar oude boeken
>elke fucking keer
Wooowww Van den vos Reynaerde, 10/10 literatuur! Nederlandse literatuur is de afgelopen paar eeuwen zeer matig geweest.

>>382538860
EOP brainlets don't realize that is the case for every real language.

Ni hao,
I speak perfect Japanese, ask me anything.

>>382530847
Dude, don't learn Chinese unless you want to deal with Chinese speaking people. People from actual china are fucking unbearable.

>>382534329
I'm learning so I can visit Japan and go to Wonfes one day. I'd really like to one day be able to attend wonfest or AKGarden as a circle. Is that a good enough reason on top of games and visual novels and such?

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>What image do I even use for a Learn Japanese thread

I'm on day 40 today. I'd say I've nailed about 100 Kanji using the fluent forever and slowly working towards my 625 goal of 3 months.

It's a bit of a slog at the moment, I'm at that stage where I know individual words and Kanji, But sentences still completely elude me. Once I know more I'll start learning grammar to build sentences.

It's a fun hobby now that Video Games are complete shit.

>>382539035
Learning English is toddler-tier
I don't know why it's so hard for Japanese.

>>382538741
>i'm a pen

>>382538660
Be happy with that anon, that's still better than what I can produce.

>>382539012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%8Dgai_kanji

>>382538195
>To watch old episodes of Inspector Rex?
I thought that was French?
>Bread roll with hams
Good show

>>382539035
If you haven't looked into slav languages, you don't know how bad it is.
>you have to conjugate into three genders instead of just two
>nouns have different forms depending on whether they're the subject or object of the sentence
>adjectives and adverbs change depending on the gender and role of the noun they're attached to
>there are different kinds of plurals, each one needing different conjugations for the nouns, verbs, adjectives, and adverbs with it
There's way more, but I couldn't list it all.

I've learnt Japanese up to a semi-proficient level several times now. The problem is because I'm not forced to interact with Japanese people, it never really gets to the point of naturalizion. And I end up forgetting a lot after a while of no practice.

>>382539035
Why are non-anglos so awful at creating efficient languages?

>>382539012
Yes, absolutely. And the opposite, too. Things that are pronounced differently due to historical reasons. Like depending on context, (I don't have Japanese keyboard installed on this computer, sorry) ha is pronounced as wa.

>>382539012
Several thousand antiquated ones, around three hundred that are technically up to date but only used in words that don't really come up very often these days (like 屯 or 后), and another couple hundred or so that's only used in the menus of very fancy restaurants. Some hiragana that have fallen out of use due to the sounds they represent no longer existing in modern japanese, too. And that's just the stuff I've heard of when getting to around elementary school level.

>>382532825
I keep track of a tier system of "jouzus" with a friend who is also learning Japanese. When you just say ahreegahtoe you'll usually get a 日本語上手ですねー out of a newly met Jap, so it's essentially the elementary particle the system consists of. There is of course a lot of minor variety between the tiers, but the next significant difference is probably at the level of "How long have you been studying Japanes?", though I would argue that you can only cash this one in if you aren't studying at uni. This tier is usually accompanied by a minor jouzu in the form of a "wow that's so short" after you say any amount of years less than 20.
Now, the real top tier shit is when they ask you "How long have you been living in Japan?" when you're just on a trip. This is the true creme de la creme of jouzus, and far too advanced a technique for the average Jap. When you encounter this jouzu you'll know that the Jap you're talking to has learned to empathize with the gaijin on a level that allows them to instinctively understand the cheapness of low-tier jouzus, allowing them to offer the more subtle, high-tier ones. Be wary of their cunning ways.

>>382539373
Can you post hiragana like that?

>>382539328
>English
>efficient

>"my friends"
>don't know their gender, just that they're "my friends"

>Spanish
>"mis amigas"
>clearly states gender of said friends, and translates to "my female friends"
>can just use "mis amigos" for full male friends or mixture of both genders

>>382539170
So, can you at least form sentences now?
Like, how many kanji do I/you know?

>>382539312
I also forgot to mention that while English has like five tenses (I do, I did, I will, I could, I could have), Croatian specifically has fourteen tenses, each with their own unique conjugations for everything.

>>382539461
>discriminating based on gender
It's 2017 mate.

>>382539502
昨日、私は卵を食べました
卵はとてもおいしい

つまり、私は卵が好きです

>>382539461
>for full male friends
>or mixture of both genders
WTF that's so sexist. Does Anita know about this?

>>382534314
They're the worst of humanity.

>>382538860
Welcome to Slavic languages. They are fun.

>>382536962
>but china and south korea are SUPER heavily regulated
Not if you're actually a Chink or married to one and isn't planning to move any money out of the country. (and you're not worried that'll it will all get stolen by the gov)
Their regulation is basically just obscured ethnic protectionism.

>>382539536
>English has like five tenses

English has 3*2*2 tenses.

Past - present - future * their perfect forms * continuous forms for all of these.

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>>382538860
>start learning Croatian

>>382539823
It's my background.

>>382538803
This. They're all rotten to the core and full of malice; every obvious 4chan weeb I've met in real life has been an annoying piece of shit. The last one I encountered was a balding manlet with a speech impediment who wouldn't shut up about "SJWs".

>>382538860
I was thinking about learning Croatian because family etc. I know this is a retarded question, but is it hard to get to a speakable level?

>>382539868
>>382539823

>>382539170
Get some easy shit to boost your confidence. Graded readers or children's books really help. Try Anki, too. I don't think I've heard of Fluent Forever.

>>382530703
I prefer chinese

>>382539443
There's the 'we' and 'wi' sounds, ゑ and ゐ respectively, which you can't find in half the kana charts out there. Hell, even my stupid IME won't output those and I had to copypaste them.

>tfw more and more people are learning Chinese
NOOOO I wanted to be the special snowflake

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>>382530847
Just wanted to show you guys that it's OBJECTIVELY harder to learn Japanese. It's been scientifically proven through United Nations and CIA decades of studies of training spies and diplomats that Learning Japanese takes the highest amount of time.

The only reason it looks like Chinese is harder is because people on /v/ have been exposed to the Japanese language one way or the other their entire life through video games/anime/porn. So we already have an edge with Japanese over normal people.

>>382530703
I don't live in Japan. Useless to learn unless you're some delusional weeb.

>>382540031
Oh right, I've never seen those before. That's interesting. I assume there's also some for yi and ye then?

>>382530703
>what's so hard?

My crippling learning disability that spawned from deaf until I was five. I literally have problems speaking English and learning to spell is a forlorn hope at this point in my life. If I didn't have spell check I wouldn't be able to communicate online at all. Learning another language is something Ive given up on.

>>382540094
the fact that even you could learn japanese proves that it's fucking easy

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>>382540094
Here's some evidence (This is a list made by the institution that educates English natives into becoming interpreters or diplomats on foreign missions.)

>>382540179
It's still the absolute hardest language to learn for Native English speakers. Literally ANY language on earth is easier to learn than Japanese.

The reverse is also true. English is the hardest language to learn for Japanese people. Literally ANY language is easier to learn than English for Japanese people.

This is also why there are more Japanese people that speak German/French than there are Japanese people speaking fluent English.

>>382539502
As I said I know about 100. I'm using a list from Fluent Forever that has the top 625 most used Kanji and their meanings. I've plugged this into Ankii so start learning.

For example 1 "group" is "To buy", "Gift", "Bicycle" and "money". So it has the sentence

"買う 贈り物 自転車それ お金"

As I said it's a start. Once I know more I'll start using sentences.

>>382540016
Any books you can recommend for beginners?

>>382530847
See >>382540194

>>382540194
To add to your post: no, if you're not a native English speakers but are still from the general community of European languages, it is not going to be easier for you.

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>>382540287
>english
>being the hardest language to learn in any shape or form

>>382540357
But he just said the opposite.

i only know my main language and English, and never realized how hard it is to memorize words before because it just happened in time
now i have no idea how am i supposed to do that in Japanese, do i learn romanji versions first then kanji?

>>382540401
>do i learn romanji versions first then kanji?
You learn the kanas first smartass.

>>382540440
i know the kanas

>>382540364
>for Japanese people
Your illiteracy is making other ESLs look bad.

>>382540364
You might meme with emojis. But this is actually proven to be true by the Japanese intelligence communities.

The reason this is true is because Japanese and English are almost polar opposites of each other linguistically. It's almost as if English is designed specifically to be hard as fuck to learn for Japanese people. The same is true for English learners trying to learn Japanese.

>>382540094
I still don't understand what exactly makes jap hard. It's almost as easy and simplistic as English.

>>382540480
your illiteracy is making where ever your from look bad

>>382539938
Nah, I got there within a few months. Use easy-croatian.com. It's the single most useful resource I've ever used to learn any language.

>>382540386
He is wrong.

>>382540292
>Any books you can recommend for beginners?
White Rabbit makes graded readers that are super simply and also teach kanji. And the djt thread on /jp/ has a whole section for shit like that. You'll be able to bumble your way through most things with furigana.

>>382540194
What makes German that little bit harder than the other Western Europe languages?

>>382540476
Why would you ever even suggest having anything to do with romaji in that case?

>>382540542
German grammar.

>>382540485
>German and English are closely related
>German is more complex
>English is somehow harder

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>>382540364
The idiom is "way, shape, or form". You need to study more.
>>382540516
I hate ESLs.

>>382540542
Lots of own vocab, each noun has a gender that doesn't make any fucking sense and moving verbs to the end of the sentence under certain circumstances.

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>>382540130
Honestly I had no idea so I went and tried to look it up. Apparently yes but nevermind IMEs not recognizing them, they don't even have unicode.

>>382540641
too bad for you I'm american, I guess we're all retards here

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I have been going through the Genki grammar book by myself for awhile now though I had to skip most of the oral exercises. Are beginner Japaneses courses at a community college worth it?

>>382540709
No, just you.

>>382540636
>For Japanese people

Again. It's almost as if English is deliberately designed to be hard for Japanese people. German actually has more overlap in some word usage and is also easier to pronounce for natives.

>>382540740
I'm sorry bruh, but you a retart to

>>382540671
That's because those are hentaigana symbols.

>>382540720
No just finish your damn book.

>>382540401
learn hiragana then kanji, that show you're supposed to
shonen stuff even has the hiragana indicating how kanji should be read in manga because that's the expected learning order

>>382540720
Don't know about community college, but in general Japanese beginner courses are more worth it than advanced ones. Why? You want to get the pronunciation right and you really want some formal training in basic calligraphy. If you don't get any, you'll form bad habits that are difficult to get rid of later. Once you are at a high level, you may as well just grab a book and start reading through it (potential with the help of OCR).

>>382540641
ESLs are the superior class. English natives don't even know how their own language works, it's fucking pathetic.

>>382540557
well when you think of a word in your head do you think of "ほん" or "hon"?
isn't that what romaji is?

>>382540764
>German actually has more overlap in some word usage

What do you mean specifically? Aside from medical terms, there are very few germanisms in Japanese.

Last summer I passed N1. Is that good for /v/ standards?

>>382540973
Where do you take the test? Online?

>>382531175
that sucks

>>382540973
That's amazing by all standards.

I don't know what's worse, /v/ threads where you faggots argue about how hard it is to learn jap while giving each other horrible advice, or /v/ threads where you faggots argue about how hard it is to learn to code while giving each other horrible advice.

>>382540803
So it seems. Thanks anon.

>>382541049
I'm going to let you in on a little secret the only people in these threads are retards and baiters

>>382540891
I can't imagine it being any worse than native speakers. I look through stuff on pixiv with handwritten text and it's a mess.

>>382540903
I don't really think either, I recognize the sound and associate the meaning with it almost instantly.
Regardless, I don't see what your point is. Why would you learn kanji by staring at
>本(hon) - Book
instead of
>本(ほん) - Book
? If nothing else it lets you practice reading hiragana faster and faster for no extra effort.

>>382541049
Feels good, I do both.

>>382541024
No, you have to apply for it to the organization that conducts the testing in your country and the travel to the place where the test takes place.

It happens twice a year, July and December. Not all countries have it on both dates though.

Just took the N1 today. Felt like when you're way too overleveled for a boss fight in an RPG, I finished the grammar part an hour early and they wouldn't even let me nap in peace. At least Waseda's campus was very nice.

>>382540893
What is an "English native"? A Celt? Did you mean "native English speakers?" Cool comma splice at the end, by the way.

>>382540973
That's better than I could do, anon. Be proud, you're a better studier than some random person you're never going to meet.

>>382541049
t. EOP

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>>382541373
Eh, even if you failed once, you're probably better than this guy.

>>382541534
I hope English isn't his first language.

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There's no better way to remember how to write kanji than to autistically write them over and over again, is there?

>>382541745
yes