VOICE ACTOR BAD NEWS

>"so far, the companies targeted by this strike haven't begun to negotiate with the union"

good
fuck these hacks

>we are very important pay us more money
>no you aren't
>we'll go on strike, you need us
>lol no we don't

>>382517475
This. There are tons of potential voice actors who will do the work.

>Big VAs like Nolan North and Troy Baker aren't affected by this strike because they're not union
>Nolan North even called out the striking VAs and voiced his support for developers at the VGAs

So, will the VAs crack first? The only loss that bummed me out was Capcom recasting Leon for the RE2 remake.

>>382517772
>So, will the VAs crack first?

Of course they will, these people have no other talents otherwise they wouldn't be working as VAs.

>>382517772
claire's va said the capcom recasting had nothing to do with the strike tho

That's great, fuck those whiny cunts.
Hopefully fresh blood will come pouring in and we'll see more dubs like the Nier Automata one, where no-name VAs deliver great performances.

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>tfw this strike has been great because we've been getting more than the sale dozen or so voices for every game
Out with the old, in with the new.

This is very good news for everyone but the small cabal of union voice actors trying to get a tighter stranglehold of an industry they're entirely out of touch with. Good riddance. I look forward to the influx of new talent.

Aren't Japanese VAs payed a fortune for their talents, by comparison?

FUCK unions

>VAs think they're special for having the same thing what every single human has

Unless if you're morgan freeman, you ain't worth shit

>>382517283
>Video games may not be voiced by the same five people anymore
>This is somehow bad

>>382518179
Or Patrick Stewart.

>>382518179
hypocrite

>>382518146
But they are pure.

>>382518146
completely different culture regarding VAs, they are like pop stars and usually has a bigger career as singers and shit. They also brand their VAs and market them in a way where otakus can obsess over them like not letting the women date

>>382517283
>We're already seen VAs like Ashly Burch have to drop out of projects because of this.

So... would it be possible to keep this strike going forever?

>>382518279
kill yourself, anthony burch

>>382517916
>Nier Automata
I always play with Japanese audio in Japanese games, but 9S sounded fine. Don't like 2B in English though.

>>382518146
It varies greatly depending on your popularity. Some VAs are getting multiple jobs every season, but some are no more better off than your regular salaryman. This day and age VAs also need to behave like an idol meaning much more restrictions on dating, looking cute and bunch of personal stuff

>>382517283
Good, I want more games with dubs like Soul Sacrifice Delta and Dragon Quest Heroes.

>>382518146
They also have an actual role in the success of a game. Nobody buys a game because Nolan North is in it.

>>382518146
They do music, tour, model etc. They're much more diverse with their talents. You have actors like Troy Baker who can sing, Nolan North is on TV sometimes, but that's it really.

>>382518428
I thought 2B was fine enough, but 9S really stole the show for me - his screams of bloody murder were amazing in the dub.

The strike is only on the already super big publishers and developers. The ones that have enough money to hire actual actors. They don't care about them. If they want the pull power of a star they'll hire a star. Western voice actors don't have the same power as big nip voice actors. Yet they think they do.

oh no not ashly burch ;_;

>>382517283
Good. Games would be better off without it, and fuck those giggledicks for thinking they're somehow entitled to more money than the people making the damn game in the first place.

I'll take their place. I don't even need a lot of money for it.

I do agree that they should be able to know what game/character they're doing, though.

Those entitled fucks think their actions are without consequences, all they are doing is speeding up the process of artificial voice software.

>>382517283
They'll just pay different VAs. I love how they think they're important enough to think a strike will work. What's even more hilarious is that they must be getting paid enough to be able to stay on strike for so long.
>"muh $250,000 payment for my role isn't good enough, I WANT $500,000 LIKE THE REAL ACTORS"

>We're already seen VAs like Ashly Burch have to drop out of projects because of this.
Good.
I am tired of that cunt.

This is only a good thing.

>>382517283
The ones who have the money.

If you do not hail from glorious nippon and you never did a voice in a Metal Gear I do not give a fuck if you live or die.

>>382518146
But they are leaps and bounds better too, primarily due to competition. They can voice the most retarded scripts and you can feel the intensity and emotion needed for each scene, bringin what are basically toons to life. Most english dubs make my skin crawl, you just can feel the VA's reading the script 90% of the time.

t. english is my third language and I don't even know japanese.

>>382518526
The problem with 2B is that she really couldn't compare to her Japanese VA. she's really fucking good.

Serious question, even if they succeeded, what's to stop the bigger companies from just outsourcing their voice work to cheaper nations? I mean, English speaking actors are probably available everywhere.

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I bet they already have cushy upper middle class lives which is a gateway to do anything you'd like in thus world.

But nooooo waaaaah I want to get rich off of voice acting.

Fucking privileged little cunts.

>>382518710
Japanese voice actors have zero range.
All they do is screech and do their shitty anime voices.

>games don't have voice acting
Suddenly video games just got better.

>>382517283
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>>382517475
Well we can expect voice acting to get a lot worse all of a sudden. So it's just a waiting game. Obviously companies were going to hold on to their gorillion dollars as long as they can get away with it.

>>382518146
Only a small % of nip voice actors actually make a lot of money. And the ones that do make a lot of money can be marketed for more than just that voice acting talent.

>>382517916
>Nier 2 dub
>good
It was terrible aside from 9S. That said the striking actors wouldn't have delivered any better.

>>382518710
I try to watch subbed anime if at all possible, purely because of how shockingly bad 99.99% of English speaking VAs are.

>>382518869
I sort of share this sentiment. I loved giving characters voices in Divinity:OS before they added voice acting.

>>382518882
Good.
Go back to the old days where it's just text, maybe some beeps as the letters show up.
Or give everyone different pitches for the beeps like the Golden Sun games on the GBA

>>382518831
Apparently it is enough to earn a shitton of money unlike western VAs.

VA was a mistake. It's an unnecessary drain on the overall budget that could be spent better elsewhere.

I fuckong LOL'd when I saw demanded bonuses based on a game's revenues.

>>382518949
Fuck I mean voicing and acting them out in my head.

>>382518146
VAs in Japan are like Hollywood actors here. The roles are basically reversed. They're actually talented, so yes, they are payed more. Then again, Japanese companies don't dump 90% of the budget into marketing aside from some goliaths like SE.

>>382518882
Anyone that wants to make a living will continue to do VA work despite the strike, if not they can have fun working retail or some shit

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Boy I sure miss Troy Baker.

>>382518992
They think they're as important as Hollywood actors just because the product makes similar money to box office sales.

>>382518831
Wrong.

>>382519046
>>382518146
>payed
Not a fucking word.
It's "paid".
People get PAID.

>>382517283
VAs are not as unique and critical as they think they are. I'm willing to be sympathetic towards some of the hardships a VA can face, there's a real risk to damaging your vocal chords and once you do that you're basically done, and I completely agree that VAs should be compensated fairly for their contribution to a project as should anyone working any job.

But fucking Christ, the hours a VA puts into a single game is fucking peanuts compared to the hours of even a single developer or designer or testing. These people's jobs actually depend on the success of the project, their job is the project, 40+ hours a week of their lives is the project. I don't think it's unfair to consider their contribution worthy of larger compensation and perhaps even profit sharing when compared to a VA, I don't think a VA deserves the benefits of the long-term success of a game because they weren't a long-term contributor to its creation. And even if none of this were true, there's are probably millions of people who could easily cover for 90% of any throwaway VA so who the fuck cares if some of them are striking.

So good, I'm willing to side with the corporate AAA machine on this one and I literally don't care if these morons want to abandon their jobs.

>>382519081
He's still working.

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I miss Laura Bailey.

>>382518882
Games would be better without voice acting.

>>382518882

>Well we can expect voice acting to get a lot worse all of a sudden.

After the first season of The Walking Dead, AMC shitcanned Frank Darabont (Shawshank Redemption, Green Mile, The Mist, etc.) and literally slashed the budget in half. There's a clear and immediate drop in quality in everything from lighting to makeup to direction and set design, and the show just kept on makin' those gorillion dollars.

You know why? Because quality and popularity have a tenuous relationship at best, and the more narrow the topic the less likely the average viewer will notice the quality. Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that anybody's going to notice if the quality of voice acting in video games decreases?

>>382519157
It's a word but used in a very specific manner that is incorrect in this case.

Easiest jobs to replace, good riddance.

>>382518992
>He doesn't buy a game based on how good the voice acting is.
I feel bad for you ..................

>>382518146
Jap VAs are celebrities of sort that also do VA work for other shit like anime, movie localisations, commercials, and some even make money as musicians.

Conversely, English VAs are very niche, especially in video games (which is why you always hear the same people every game), and they typically only do video games and maybe some off roles in cartoons. English VAs aren't even hit for popular animated movies, actual actors are commissioned for those to help sell them.

>>382519273
>he doesn't believe that voice actors tar ships

>>382517283
Almost like VAs aren't nearly as important as they like to think. Also, fuck the union for making the industry choose between them and non-union VAs by enforcing the exclusivity clause in contracts.

>>382517283
Fucking good. All the VAs in the Union were the same tired fucking hacks we get in everything. Maybe now we'll finally see companies reaching out for new actors.

Is the strike why Dawn of War 3 had to recast the commanders?

They'll just bring in scabs to do the voice work.

>>382518869
I agree in a sense that's money that can go into ACTUAL game development process and not additional frills like VA.

>>382519436
>Almost like VAs aren't nearly as important as they like to think.
They aren't. They really aren't. I've never played a game and said to myself "DAMN I'm glad this game has voice acting!" I've only cringed at some terrible voicework, especially in Jap localisations. I hope this pushes developers to just stop including voice work in their games because it just isn't necessary...

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someone tell about VA career on America
in my country every voice actor must have an "performing acts" degree, and it's actually highly remarked as top tier around the world. but recently some publishers are pushing to use "famous people" as substitutes and the dub become utter shit
how it goes in your country?

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>The union is losing more money than they would have gotten from negotiations because companies are just hiring hobos off the street for chicken feed

>>382517283
Any VA who might be prolific enough to be recognized by the average gamer should be avoided anyway I'm sick of the same people's voices in everything

I don't understand why they don't just outsource to japanese VAs?
The quality would jump immensely and you wouldn't have to deal with bullshit like this.

>>382517283
I hope they keep the strike going, sick of hearing the same few people anyway.

companies are already crying about budgets in the first place, cutting voice acting and putting animal grunts with text will save a few million.
hell screw the grunting and text too, that costs money so just have gameplay, nothing else.

>>382519338
me too, I look for quality in my videogames so I make sure not to buy games voiced by the VAG.

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>>382517283
>muh residuals

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Reminder that the strike doesn't just cover voice actors, it covers all actors in the union including mocap actors, so regularly get told to do shit without proper stunt coordination, which this strike is also asking for.

Pic related happened to the guy who played Jason Voorhees. He played him in most (if not all) of themovies with no problem. Mocaps him in one video game and this happens.

>>382519486
Nah, they wanted British voice actors just like how FFXIV did it.

why do VAs think they're so special? animators should be the ones getting raises, they do the actual work

>>382517772
>So, will the VAs crack first?

Of course they will. The strike has been going on for almost a year. A fucking year. Something like this should happen way more often because all that happens is the same cadre of VAs take all roles and the talent pool stagnates into a cesspool of mediocrity. These actors on strike want to maintain control because they know if any new talent gets a moment to shine they get less roles and can't keep their stranglehold in place. They also want a free lifelong meal ticket (residuals) for an entertainment medium they only add a bonus too. These people's egos are so bloated they they believe they themselves sell video games like Call of Duty not because its fun to shoot your friends online because of their "performances" and they cry crocodile tears because COD made billions but they only got small percentage, which is still in the tens of millions. Fuck them all and the horses they rode in on.

>>382519679
how

britbong only dubs are the future, I'm confident they'll unite /v/.

>>382519457
MOTHER

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THIS

I AM SO GODDAMN SICK OF NOLAN NORTH, STEVE BLUM, TROY BAKER, AND PHIL LAMARR

>>382519659
Publishers will never ever agree to residuals of any kind, though. It's a point the VAs cannot win on.

>>382519749
During an execution animation where he elbow drops a survivor in a sleeping bag

>>382519596
Animated movies in the English speaking west push for Hollywood actors to voice act in them. Lesser roles in these movies are given to "professional" VAs and staffers.

The thing is though Hollywood actors can actually act, even if its just voice overs, so they often would do a better job than these "professionals" anyway. English VAs are mostly horrible because there's no competition and no real educational scene for it.

>>382517916
>Automata dub
>liking runka chunks

>>382519338
That's like buying a car based only on how the engine sounds.

>>382519679
That doesn't make the strike okay, that makes anyone aligned with the guild an idiot for not getting the proper support after all these years of doing mocap stunts.

>>382519749
he only gets a 3 minute fap break while working on video games, far less than his usual 15 minute union break.

>>382518882
>Well we can expect voice acting to get a lot worse all of a sudden.
this is bad because???

>>382519862
If the engine sounded like complete shit you would be inclined to purchase a different car

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>>382517283
>mfw English isn't my native language in the first place

Seriously, it makes no goddamn difference me when I have subtitles on anyway. Might as well listen to Ayapaneco for all I care.

>>382517283
consumers win at the end of the day.

no high priced voice acting or any voice acting means cheaper to produce games and FASTER production of games.

fuck your AAA 10 year development time with 30 million dollar budget that goes to a bunch of whiney cunts

5 slavs squatting on barstools drunkenly yelling at homeless people to mumble some quickly scribbled lines on some used tissue paper is all thats required.

>>382519606
That would sound horrible you weeb cunt.

I think only around 30% of voice actors are even members of SAG-AFTRA, and the most notable VA's, Nolan North, Troy Baker, etc., aren't even part of the strike. A strike seems destined to fail if you're easily replaceable.

>>382518960
this is honestly the best. cheapest way to make text and allows for infinite shit without the immense cost of voice acting with 0 risk of annoying voices

>>382519679
Then why aren't they constantly talking about mocap work alongside union VA work with this strike?

Oh right, it's cause they're jealous that mo cap actors can actually work in multiple areas of entertainment since they provide the necessary movements for whatever actions needed for a scene in a production.

>>382519772
I'm still pissed Little Witch dub has american dub, should have been a brit dub much more fitting

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>>382519958
I'd rather just not hear the engine at all.

>>382519679
Explain.

>>382518960
I'm all for it because RPGs in particular got gypped as VA became the norm in video games.

Voice acting a shit
It bloats budgets and limits the development space due to always having to account for the VA
It's much easier and cheaper to write two dozen options for dialogue for a conversation with a npc than recreating even a fraction of those with VA

>>382519884
>getting the proper support
that's exactly what they've been trying to accomplish with these strikes for years

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>>382517283
Oh no how will I ever cope with Ashley Burch not voicing a major character in my shitty games

So did nobody read the article op posted?

Because if it's true and somewhat common it would explain why the voice direction in video games tends to be sub-par.

>>382517283
I read that as the opposite. For a second I thought It was the video game publishers going on strike against the VAs. I can't believe the VAs want MORE money.

>>382518882
Look at this man and fucking laugh.

>>382518882
Well I mean they weren't exactly scrambling to find union actors to begin with, as the years have gone by companies have started caring less and less about quality voice acting and character consistency in general. They aim to sell to the masses and the masses have made it clear that they don't give a shit about it at all.

>>382519958
Yeah but it if it's a great car otherwise it's a great car and I'd get it.

If the engine sounded great but the car was a barely functioning piece of shit I'd never buy it.

>Need a voice for a character
>Put in a casting call for regular actors
Done.

>>382520072
No, they've been asking for more money. The 'proper support' is just to fluff it to make it look more legitimate.

>>382520072
You don't need to lump in greed into you negotiations for actual support.

>>382518710
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>>382518518
>>382519046
>>382519373
These guys get it. Japanese VAs are rock stars and go on talk shows or get parts in live action movies all the time. Some of them even do borderline pinup stuff.

>>382517283
thank god the generic american voice actors need to die

import british ones already and not just use random shitters in LA for british roles that are shit

>>382519679
Is that Kane Hodder? If so, this

>He played him in most (if not all) of themovies with no problem.
>with no problem

is bullshit. Hodder got injured quite a lot.

>>382517283
Nobody gives a fuck about voice actors, and they were huge retards for thinking they had any negotiating power for fucking royalties. Maybe when the front covers of games start featuring voice actors like movies do for actual actors

>Come in to the recording studio for 1 week
>Enunciate a few poorly written lines with the same voice you've used a hundred other times
>An army of overworked, underpaid programmers and artists then spends 60-70 hour weeks putting your voice to a character, and building the game for that character to be in
>Game comes out, exactly 0% of consumers buy the game because "omg it has a character voiced by Faggot Jones"
>Cry that you don't get a share of the profits when you have probably the easiest and least important job in the entire process.
Fuck 'em. No one has ever considered voicework an important part of a video game. Hell, the ones that have bad voices are typically remembered more fondly than the ones full of a dozen "generic hollywood hero voice". Retards are salty they aren't good enough to be real actors and have spent so long taking the crumbs from the video game industry that they got too big for their boots. I'll happily take amateur voice overs, or no voicework at all, over giving these assholes one red cent.

>>382518831
What are you talking about? Doraemon?

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>>382520097
like one anon said the industry cares a lot less about this matter because the voice acting union mandates you cannot hire non-union voice actors because the union gets the contract even if you hire a single person that's signed with them. the way things are we might see a rise of more independent voice actors and freelance pool of talent not beholden to the union by default.

>>382520157
They're part of the same union.

>>382519373
unlike America, Jap anime and movies are more popular to allow voice actors to get known. no one cares for voice acting in games unless it's ridiculously good (like dawn of war 1)

>>382517283
More non union VA work.

Me Gusta

>>382518882
Cite your sources. None of the union VAs are any better than non-Union guys

>>382520024
Because nobody knows who the fuck mocap actors are. You hear about fucks like David Hayter and Ashley Burch because they're famous enough to be posted here.

Literally nobody here has ever heard of Richard Dorton.

>>382519606
How can anyone be this much of a worthless weeaboo faggot.

>>382517283
Fuck unions, my mom says I have a great voice I want to be a VA REEEEEEEE

>Remember kids, voice acting doesn't matter, except when it does

>>382520042
qelq

>>382520369
>except when it does
When???

>>382518882
It'll probably be better since it's not just union hacks getting a paycheck now so maybe it'll be passionate talented people trying to get their shot.

>>382517283
tfw Drew Pickles' VA was against SAG-AFTRA's merger probably because of greedy shit like this

>>382517283
gameplay first > then the trash

>>382519596
What country?

>>382520401
When you notice it.

>>382520084
>expecting thorough reading comprehension, and point-by-point civil debate on /v/

Hayter was on strike when MGS1 was on it's way, in the demo version he was under a fake name.

20 years later, nothing has changed.

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Good. I'm fucking tired of hearing the same three voice actors in every fucking AAA game.

Fuck them. Maybe this will create a paradigm shift letting new people in the industry. Fuck off Baker. Fuck off North. Fuck off Burch.

>>382518882
how could it POSSIBLY get worse than Ashley Burch?

She literally only gets roles because she is a internet feminist SJW

Do you think Tiny Tina was some kind of breakthrough?

>>382520084
Yeah, sounds like the industry is is incredibly unprofessional, but we knew that already

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Who's laughing now?

>>382520175
It's a union. It has to do its best to represent all its members. Not strike one year for X, then the next year for Y, then the next year for Z. They'd be on strike nonstop and never do any work, which is the exact opposite of what unions are there for.

>>382517283
> We're already seen VAs like Ashly Burch have to drop out of projects because of this. Who will win?

By the sound if it, people who play games.

>>382520436
Most of the time I'd prefer not to. Other times, I could do without it.

>>382520482
Who?

https://youtu.be/b27iLcoPHTg?t=206

Reminder that Nolan North is based.

>>382520458
Troy baker is actually good and still working

>>382518710
>They can voice the most retarded scripts and you can feel the intensity and emotion needed for each scene, bringin what are basically toons to life.
>I don't even know japanese.

this is like the most perfect weeb cancer post ever.

>>382520409
Link? That sounds interesting since Rugrats was a show I loved when I was super young.

>>382520542
He knows this whole thing is fucked up. He's been made a millionaire voicing while so many talented programmers and designers are left barely scratching up for rent.

>>382518385
This

I want house Burch to fall

I hope to God this means I'll never hear Steve Blum's faggot fucking voice again. Fuck these clowns.

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>YFW this ends up causing the return of silent protagonists in every game

>>382520509
And like I said, those mocap actors are dumb for sticking with a union that doesn't have their interests as their priority. Even more so if they are sticking through shit negotiations where they can't get the support they need because their union is grouping essentials with greed.

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>>382520460
>how could it POSSIBLY get worse than Ashley Burch?

being anthony burch, watching ashley doing the sound effects for her latest sex scene.

>tfw you will never be anthony burch

>>382520509
It's actually not doing the best job for its members because this residuals shit is going to get shot down for all eternity, they will never, ever get it.

The rest of the shit they'd have a good shot at getting but as long as that demand is in there it's not happening which I think is the actual point of the strike. The real point of the strike isn't to achieve a goal because if they wanted to do that they'd have done so by now, it's some stupid gimmick to try inflate their own fame and standing but it's not working because people really don't give a fuck.

>>382520369
Voice acting only matters when it's remarkably good or memorable. If it's bog standard then it's forgettable and not worth much, and if it's bad then it's good for a chuckle before you move on. None of these union strikers have done anything remarkable.

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>Seems that they don't care.

Good.

>We're totally important, you should pay us more
>While agreeing to pay us more, we also need you to agree not to hire anyone other than us, though. Since we're totally vital & irreplaceable.

Fuck this jewshit. No other industry is going to comply to this screen actors guild nonsense.

>>382518710
Yeah, because they're voicing content MADE to be voiced in Japanese language and with Japanese script. People tend to forget that when you're dubbing something in a foreign language, be it games, anime, movie, etc you're working not only with translated script limitations but also with fixed assets that cannot be changed, like how money frames you have to deliver your line. Also, languages are obviously different and same shit doesn't apply to all of them so you wouldn't use onomatopoeia sounds in English like they do in Japanese, for example.

>unions
Fuck them

>>382519839
There are genuinely talented people in english VA, like Billy West, they're just not common.

Won't companies just hire unionized voice actors? Bioshit had a crowdfunding campaign for all those youtube voice actors to attempt to put themselves inside a video game.

Either we'll start seeing more diverse names and voices since voice directors will stop having people use the same voice

>>382520436
Bad voice acting were a thing in the 90's when games were advanced enough to even have voice acting in it. It added to the charm and campiness of the game.

>>382520545
>>382520458
He even called out the guy he replaced in Silent Hill because he wanted residuals.

>>382520542
A very passionate VA as well. His performance as Nathan Drake is better than the majority of performances you see in games.

>>382520292
Not every actor is unionized. Just make an ad online. I know plenty of actors who aren't in a union.

Anyone can voice act. You're just talking. These people are morons. Also Ashly Burchis fucking terrible she ruined horizon for me.

>>382518146
>>382520185
And to add to this, they're also very loyal to their work.

Once you're the voice of a character, you're pretty much that character for life unless health, you quit the industry, or it's been years and the company wants to replace everyone.

>>382520000
Nice quads, weebhater.

>>382518710
>>382520573
As someone that's watched more anime than your average weeb over my years until I started hearing the same VAs in every anime I watched... this is a load of bullshit. Jap VAs really just act out archetypes in the same exact way as every other VA. There are some stunning and amazing performances, but they are VERY few and far between.

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>>382519226
Don't expect more of her since she's part of the strike as well.

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Reminder that the best voiced game of all time was voiced by British Theatre actors, not wannabe Hollywood American brats.

>>382520893

>>382519226
Laura Bailey is pretty much the only Eng VA to voice in anime style. She's also CUTE ASS FUCK

>>382520893
I'm going to miss the tincan encode.

>>382519606
Because broken English would be SO much better than regular English, am I right you weeb?

>>382518718
That and the voice actor is... an undesirable.

>>382520893
SE tends to go crazy with their VAs for Final Fantasy games. They hire some top quality lads.

>>382519226
Critical Role you fool

>>382520824
See: pikachu's actress (also does chopper and Morgana)

>>382520542
It's good to hear someone say this out loud. I swear to god, some people think games magically materialize overnight or something and seem to forget they spend years in development. Good man, Nolan.

>>382520956
>an undesirable
the fuck do you mean

>>382518882

The best voice acting I've ever heard came from a literally who newfag doing a weeb game.

>>382519606
lol are you kidding. nip VA's are treated like gods, can you even imagine the complex they have.

>>382517283

They realize that its basically only a requirement for someone to be passable at any kind of emotion. Really most people dont give a fuck anyway, or they just dont have people speak.

can you say race to the bottom?

Can i have a you please?

>>382521060
I'd post a picture of her but it would probably get deleted because it violates rule 15 is what I mean.

>>382520893
>Mfw I have no face to describe the amazing voice work of Stephen Russell when he was working under Looking Glass Studios.

Granted he's American, but man his voice work still resonates with me years later; and he works in theater too.

>>382521106
What game/character?

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>>382520893
While they are excellent performances I think FF12's was elevated by VA direction, putting the excellent localization aside. You can see how it didn't work in FF13 where they had just as good VAs, but direction was clearly harkening back back to FF10 with "make it anime!" approach.

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>>382520636

>>382520593
All that's known is that he's one of the actors that filed a lawsuit for the merger to be pushed. It wasn't because of greed though, it's because the motion to elect didn't follow procedure and the suit's been running for 5 years now.

>>382520938
Waifu material.

>>382521128
If you were dying of thirst I wouldn't even piss in your mouth

But sure, take a (You)

>>382521173
That's a symptom in a lot of video games. Direction is usually shit and makes good actors sound like shit.

Since games are like several medias pieced together; gameplay, story, art, animation, sound effects, music, etc, it truly lessens the importance of any individual component. Voice acting generally isn't the most important component. It isn't the second most important component. Maybe sometimes not even the third. The credit lists are so huge for video games and games are always imperfect at some aspect because of the amount of manpower required for every individual piece of the puzzle. It all means that VAs aren't worth shit compared to other medias.

The funny thing about it is the VA strike lessening the strength of VAs as they are ignored might be GOOD for the video game industry as it hopefully brings games further away from being non-interactive movies. That "component" can fuck itself if it brings us those types of games.

>>382520460

If youre gonna shit talk somebody, at least spell their name right.

>>382521156

I'll give you a hint, it was a Danganronpa character.

>>382518882

>Well we can expect voice acting to get a lot worse all of a sudden.

Based on... what?

>>382518146
Many Japanese VAs are, you know, ACTUALLY GOOD and deserve the money they're paid

>>382520631
Blum sounding like he just sanded his vocal cords is the best part of Vanquish though.

>>382518882
good, more money to spend on actually making the game good

>>382520631
Blum actually has insane range. Companies just hire him for that gruff voice, though.

>>382518882
ill take that hit for potential new talent in the market instead of just the same old fucking people in every game

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>>382518882
>Well we can expect voice acting to get a lot worse all of a sudden.
Why? Artistic unions exist to protect bad artists just like teachers unions exist to protect bad teachers. Or did you think unions were about maintaining quality for the customer? Because lol no.

>>382521140
He did a good job in Dishonored 2 as well, unfortunately the script wasn't very good but he was clearly trying to make it work.

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>>382521136
>it would probably get deleted because it violates rule 15 is what I mean.
The fuck are you talking about

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>>382520938
>tfw we will never hear her voice Lucina again after FE Heroes.

>/v/ suddenly hates Ashly Burch

WTF

>>382521396
Many Japanese VAs actually look good too. They're goddamn actors and the industry makes them look the part so they can help sales.

It's not like having a random shmuck on the street say a few lines

>>382520893
>matsuno will never direct another game
Life is suffering.

>>382521546

I never blamed her for being Anthony's sister, but his faggotry has started to rub off on her.

>>382521546
I don't REALLY get it either, doesn't she help develop and direct as well?

>>382518146
Japan is a really weird country with a completely different culture from America.

>waa waa gib more mony
>no
lmao maybe this will make them realize how worthless and easily replaceable they actually are

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>union VAs say they are so poor all the time because big mean corporations not paying them enough
>yet these VAs can afford to not work at all for months, even years

Someone explain this to me

actors are such narcissists even when its just doing voices in games and anime. sheesh.

>>382517283
>Who will win?
The companies hopefully.
I don't usually root for them, but these VAs are fucking retarded.
The only point they have is getting residuals for their performance.

It's almost as if it was fucking stupid to let Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day try to strongarm the industry so they can get Hollywood AAA-lister paychecks, when nobody gives a single fuck about the industry's voice dubbers. The most telling thing being it all about letting the cartel leaders make off like bandits is how they got the other shit--like, the hazard pay for doing strenuous screaming voice work--but they won't settle unless they get their multimillion dollar royalties checks.

>>382518238
This is 27th of last seed, year of Akatossh 433 thesd are the closing days of the third era and the final hours of my life,

I wisg he did more work in VA stuff.

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>>382519232
T. oldfag

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>>382521353
>Danganronpa
>dub

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>post yfw you're not Ashly Burch

>>382521107
Some of them are like that, yeah. Some are pretty cool too. And they are still expendable and replaceable, they're held to high standards and get to live lavish lives. But as soon as their talents in specific areas start fading, or as soon as they fuck up even once they'll be out on their asses.

They're high tier celebrities in Japan, but they're not invincible, and only a few of the most relevant seiyuu actually get high celebrity status.

>>382521603
He's directing the story for the new 24 man raid in FFXIV, I have high expectations that my hopes will be shattered.

It's called "Return to Ivalice"

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>>382518882
>Well we can expect voice acting to get a lot worse all of a sudden
Are you actually implicating even half of these shitstains were even decent voiceactors?

>>382521660
Fuck the.
Games would be better without voice acting, you'd have 10+ reply options in RPGs like in the 90's because you aren't limited by X number of voice lines.
Plus you could edit and add more dialogue without calling the voice actors again.

>>382521660
*rubs hands together at you*

>>382521668
>The only point they have is getting residuals for their performance.

That's literally the worst point of the entire strike.

>>382519606
because no-one speeks weeb outside of Japan you mongoloid

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>>382518882
>voice actors drop out of the vidya industry
>cinematic games stop being a thing because no hot shot VA for the normalfags, normalfags hate reading

Oh shit.

>>382521546
>suddenly
Has she had any good roles?

>>382518882
Voice acting is not required.

>>382521753
What the fuck? Is this true? Matsuno is back at SE?

>>382518882
>Well we can expect voice acting to get a lot worse all of a sudden.
Or maybe it will get a lot better with people who aren't in the union willing to work for less money than professional union VAs. Or maybe games will go back to having no VAs.

Either way, that's good for games.

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>>382518710

ghost in the shell SAC and 2nd gig is the only english dub I've ever heard where I thought "you know that was alright"

most english dubs are absolute fucking trash

>>382521791
Are you high? Its the only valid point.

>>382520893
Basch, Ashe, Vaan and Penelo were all yank va's. I don't know much about the people who did Vaan and Penelo but Keith Ferguson and Kari Wahlgren are damn good.

>>382521660
It's not a full time job unless you're extremely good

>>382521353
There's like three Danganronpa games and the only character I actually liked in those dubs were Gundam's, as the dub as a whole is pretty bad. I played with nip voices on as they splurge for their VAs.

Come on, give us another hint. First, second, or is it from Ultra Despair Girls?

>>382521353
Was it that one guy who played the green ranger in Power Rangers?

>>382517283
wtf I love bethesda now

>>382521714
well I guess it depends on the type of game
something like an RPG would be better without VAs, whereas something like a platformer or action game would be more fun with them

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>Working conditions which aren't even remotely close to bad
>Well paid
>Union still takes action

Can't be one of those good unions then.

>>382517283
They can literally get YouTubers to do the work for free. What good is a union then

>>382517283
Maybe we'll go back to plain text like the good old days and indirectly increase the writing quality, hopefully.

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>>382521721
LET'S GET THIS SHIT STARTED BOYS

>>382521353
It better be Celes

>>382521475
I don't hate the man but damn wish I had enough money to pay steve blum to NOT voice act for 5 years
just pay him to go on a non-stop holiday cruise till 2022

>>382521830
He is involved with the 24 man raid, yes.

>>382521545
>tfw you got Lucina's Awakening confession as your alarm
>ywn wake up to the real thing saying it

Anyone know any game mods looking for VAs?
I'm still waiting on that big Fallout 4 mod to start taking submissions.

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>>382517662
>people actually think this
It's amazing how cavalier people are when others are bargaining to assert their worth as employees. It should be concerning that 'there are tons of potential employees' is a reason why we shouldn't recognize fair practices in compensating them.

I hope you're happy with your $8 full-time position with no benefits. Because fuck you if you realize you're a disposable cog with nothing to show for years of labor.

>>382521849
Are you? It's the same one that is preventing the companies from negotiating with them.

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>>382521864
So they're unionizing over small part time summer jobs?

I'm gonna side with the businesses on this.

>>382521889
He played Nero from DMC4, didn't he? Doesn't seem like a literal who, nor a newfag to the industry.

>>382517283
Good. Video game publishers should hire better writers and directors with that money instead

>>382521913

It wasn't even a character from the first game.

>>382521849
>Voice acting clearly not important or considered important
>Voice actors who work for maybe a month at most on voices get paid cash for every sale
>Meanwhile the people who actually made the game don't get shit
It's completely a terrible point and will absolutely be the reason they get jack shit

>>382521976
Yeah. He was also the MC in Persona 4. Johnny Young Bosch.

>>382521958
>fair practices

>>382521546
Ashley birch has always been bad. Her acting as aloy is absolutely terrible

this thread is really fucking retarded

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>>382521896
I don't want to read text for 50 hours or however long an RPG takes.

>>382522000
>Voice actors who work for maybe a month at most on voices get paid cash for every sale
I thought the whole point was that they don't.

>Meanwhile the people who actually made the game don't get shit
lolwut?

>>382522053
you can return to reddit then

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>>382522034
I thought she was alright in LiS. Didn't even recognize her.

If that's the case then there's non-union actors as well.

Mark Hamil can do whatever he wants because he's Mark Hamil.

This only affects people who are in the union. Meaning maybe we'll get talent outside of the union and who knows, there's probably some good actors.

>>382519606
Non-meme answer, they are under strict contracts with their agency most of the time. It's the reason why getting the Japanese original audio in western releases is a pain in the ass

>>382521136
What? Who is it, Tara?
She's literally everyone. Hell, she even voiced a snake god in Icewind Dale.

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>that feel when wagecuck scraping by on $100 AU a week

>articles about richfags saying they don't get paid enough

this shit is a vicious cycle at this point

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>voice actors in japan are treated like A list celebrities and are paid a handsome salary

>talented voice actors like pic related in English regions are treated as average paid job that can easily be replaced with Hollywood celebrities regardless of VA talent

really makes you think

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Why do americans always side with corporations anyway?

>>382520418
so kids like you love the edge right

>>382521660
To quote SAG-AFTRA's site:

>...As of Oct. 21, 2016, SAG-AFTRA is on strike against the following video game employers with regard to all games that went into production after Feb. 17, 2015:

>Activision Publishing, Inc.
>Blindlight, LLC
>Corps of Discovery Films
>WB Games, Inc.
>Disney Character Voices, Inc.
>Electronic Arts Productions, Inc.
>Formosa Interactive, LLC
>VoiceWorks Productions, Inc.
>Insomniac Games, Inc.
>Interactive Associates, Inc.
>Take 2 Interactive Software

Also these game aren't part of the strike: https://www.sagaftra.org/files/non-struck_video_game_productions_list_5.26.17.pdf

>>382522054
Then you must not play many RPGs.

>>382519806
fuck you, lamarr is goat

>>382521896
A ton of small lines can add to an otherwise lifeless character.

The enemies in FEAR have a bunch of voice-lines that direct to a bunch of specific objects which adds to the illusion that they have the best AI ever.

>>382521897
They just want more money and they think they can get it since video games are the biggest industry in the entertainment field

What they fail to realize is that no one cares about them. Normies only want a voice so they dont have to read, doesn't matter who the voice belongs to, and hardcore people resent the small pool of VAs.

>>382520893
>Poorly-mixed, poorly-performed, poorly-written characters speaking poorly-written dialogue in a poorly-written game
>best voiced game of all time
Good joke.

>>382522017
I like him, honestly. Always has a pretty solid performance, although I think his range could use a bit of work. Hope he wasn't roped in this whole strike affair, so DMC5 might have an actual chance at happening with the original actors.

>>382522136
>talented voice actors like pic related
anon, I think you posted the wrong image
that's david hayter, not a talented va

>>382522017
Johnny Yong Bosch is far from a literal who

>>382522136
It's almost like talking into a microphone isn't a real job

VA's going on strike instead of taking the pay check and fucking off are completely delusional.

Their job isn't hard, any fuck head could do it with a days practice. The only requirement is the person hiring you thinks you fit the character/sound the part.

Nothing they provide holds any job security whatsoever.
This is the internet, we've seen homeless people with better voices than most of these idiots.

>>382522054
that's why you'll never understand why Morrowind shits all over Ghothic and The Witcher

When you're in an industry where people hate the english dubs, you need to check urself before you wreck urself

>>382522139
This is the same country which embodied capitalism during the Cold War

>>382518882
>video game voice acting
>good
>ever

Hell $14.95 + tip an hour would probably be over paying for their "services"

>>382522136
hayter isnt good

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>>382522000
Not only do VAs not get paid cash for every sale basically ever, but the lower level programmers not getting shit shouldn't be a reason why other's ought to be treated unfairly. Indeed, they should be striking too to not get 100 hour work weeks shoved up their asses for 30k a year.

We should treat them both better, and they ought to have the right to organize and fight the publishers that are laughing all the way to the bank, regardless of how many other people are 'willing to work if they don't like it.'

>>382522054
You've probably never played an RPG

>>382517283
Thank the lord. I hate hearing the same few voice actors in every game.

>>382519806
Voice directors are gunna start asking people to do a Steve Blum voice for characters.

>>382522139
the kids in this thread want to sound cool so they are trying their hardest to hate the voice actors everything in this thread sounds forced

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>>382522202
>it's another "it's not a job if it's not backbreaking work" post

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>Americans in charge of not literally destroying everything right and good in the name of capitalism

>>382521753
I heard, but designing a raid is not a new Tactics Ogre, Ogre Battle, or FFT. I'm still kind of baffled that SE has the integrity to only use the Ivalice name when Matsuno is working on a project. It's just weird to me that a big soulless conglomerate like that would show some restraint. You'd think you'd see Viera and Bangaa in FFXIV and Ivalice's name thrown around all the time to try to trick FFT fans to get on board with a new game.

I don't play MMOs but I might watch someone else play through the Ivalice raid, might be cool. I can hope against hope its a tease for a new FFT (or even just a fucking PC port of the great ios version of WOTL), I know my hopes'll be dashed though.

>>382518167
The Burgers have arrived

>>382522202
The only real job is plowing a field to grow crops and feed for the animals, am I right?

>>382522153
>Insomniac is listed here
What the fuck? What did they do to be on the list? Almost every single game they've ever done used VAs from the union.

>>382522260
>talking is SO hard guys

>>382522224
>cuck post
>tumblr gif
hmm

>>382522112
>richfags
how much do you think they get paid guy

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>>382522191
>>382522202
>>382522223

Metal Gear Solid and the character Solid Snake would mean absolutely nothing if it wasn't for this man,

Apologize.

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>Self-proclaimed """""otaku""""" or weeb playing some jrpg
>Decided to check out the video/stream against my better judgement
>They are using the English dub

>played Ace Combat 5 recently
>entire cast of Cowboy Bebop shows up

Steve Blum and gang were in every other dubbed PS2 game back then, but I really did quite like them.

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>>382522315
gr8 argument m8

>>382522318
Was Kojima even aware this guy existed?

>>382522139
Because the corporations are the ones making the products we enjoy. The individual replaceable cogs in the machine are irrelevant to the end product that we want

>>382517283
so does this mean that youtube "voice actors" will be used now?

>>382519806
And yuri lowenthal

>>382522318
I'm sorry that Kojima didn't drop him sooner.

>>382518882
There are plant of good non-union VAs.

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I cant believe how angry I am right now....
They are not even doing real jobs....
Flipping patties is a real job....
fucking elitist voice actors.....

>>382522318
hayter is absolutely awful in 4, its actually jarring compared to everyone else. 3 is fairly bad too.

>>382522280
>I'm still kind of baffled that SE has the integrity to only use the Ivalice name when Matsuno is working on a project.

You see this a lot with Japanese devs, actually. Like how no one else wanted to touch Suikoden 1-2-3's story after the original creator left and did their own thin in 4 and 5. They must have a creative clause in the contracts or something about it.

>anti-dub faggots
>he doesn't want to hear
>SUPER BATTLE DROID TAKE'EM DOWN
>WALK SOFTLY, AND CARRY A BIG GUN
>I CLAIM THIS SITE IN LUNARIONS NAME
>NEED A LIGHT?
>NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME HERE
>HEY YOU
>A DUD?
unionfags being retarded doesn't make all other dubs null of value

>>382522097
It's Kira Buckland, aka Meryl from Metal Gear Awesome

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>>382522357
barely

>>382522395
t. VAfaggot

go BACK to hollywood you insipid cunt

>>382522136
>Hayter of all examples

He's one of the most egotistical of them all. Just about everyone here remembers all those interviews he did about not being hired again for MGSV. Let's not even get started on his twitter rants.

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>>382522368
>>382522368
>>382522368
>>382522368
>>382522368
well, welcome to the cyberpunk future /v/

>>382522153
>nintendo not on the list
I assumed that the VA in Zelda was due to the strike, guess Nintendo just didn't give a fuck when they were hiring.

Revali and Daruk were okay.

>>382522357
Of course he was.
That's why he replaced him.

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>>382521848
I still watch anime dubbed the first time through because I want to look at the animation without being distracted by subtitles.

The only way to actually get the authentic experience is to speak Japanese because with subtitles you have no idea what inflection is being used on each word. It's just random chattering sounds that don't mean anything. A dub may offer an inferior experience to what the Japanese audience would have gotten, but it is pretty often closer to an English equivalent than subtitles because Japanese viewers don't have the barrier of reading between them and watching the animation.

Subtitles are and always will be the "it's better than nothing" option unless the dub is ear-piercingly bad. The culture of thinking that subtitles are better than a dub is what led us down the path of manga being released half-untranslated because fanboys got jobs in the industry and have the mindset of "this is a Japanese word that any REAL otaku should know anyway, so I'm not changing it."

>>382522326
>ever being tempted
you are no better.

>>382522297
yea sitting at a desk all day so hard right

>>382522405
What's some girl from an Egoraptor cartoon got to do with ponies?

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ITT: We post good english dubbed anime / vidya characters

>>382522403
>dub
>for games where english is the original language
You're fucking retarded.

>>382522368
What really cutting cynicism there
You must feel really smart for knowing this

>>382522285
Literally negotiate your own raise.
What is the worst thing that could happen? Your supervisor says no? You have to quit and find a higher paying job? Oh the agony.

>>382522395
Joke's on you. I haven't had a job in 8 years.

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>>382522440
>Nintendo
>giving a fuck

>>382520640
He doesn't fuck her though.

>>382522403
Do you know what a dub is?

>>382522405
What the fuck does that have to do with Rule 15 or My Little Pony and who would give a shit even if it did?

>>382522432
Or his failed movie.

>>382522285
keep crying marxcuck

>>382522069
Follow the chain of replies

The strike is demanding pay for each sale of the game

>>382522374
It's kinda sweet for them if that happens. They get to feel good that their youtube skits have merit now that they can break into the industry and work on other projects.

There's going to be more voices for people to choose from and we won't hear the same voice over and over again.

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>Thread is about VIDEOGAME VOICE ACTORS
>/a/utists shit it up talking about anime and japanese horseshit

Worse than /pol/

>>382522440
>Daruk
No.

>>382522183
That is the exception rather than the rule.

>>382522161
I don't, because if I did I wouldn't have time for anything else. When I do play an RPG I want a fully featured and immersive experience, not something half assed and low budget feeling.

How long have they been striking? Feels like 1 or 2 years already, if you need to strike that long and no one even cares you probably should stop striking.