>Not using Abhaya the entire game

Durga or Waheed or you need to end yourself my good man.

>Not uninstalling and playing something good

>>382502339
this

>Amplisa
>Pratham
>Flux
>Bill

Everyone else can fuck off.

>>382502230
How do I level up quickly in chapter 2, I'm level 25 and need to find the tomb of Tal Rasha, but I can't do shit in there. I haven't touched the game in four years because of this.

>>382503249
Level 25 is borderline overleveled. What build are you playing?

>>382503380
Necromancer, high Energy and Vitality, main abilities: Corpse explosion + Bone Spear while spawning golems.

>>382503660
Also, Corpse explosion goes with a dagger, Bone Spear with a bow.

>>382503660
>>382503760
Well, that explains it.

>>382503819
Why? Necromancers are overpowered.

>>382503873
If you went with Skeletons, sure. They are one of the easiest to clear the game with solo.
But you are using a dagger and bow, bone spear and you put points into energy. Don't do that.

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>>382502339
>waheed
my nigga

>>382503380
its not borederline overleveled. he should of hit 25 doing ancients and ready to start minion runs for the next 15-20 levels.

>>382504009
Shit. I think I should respec.

>>382503760
What are you even talking about? Daggers and bows have nothing to do with magic necromancer skills.

>>382503660
Corpse explosion isn't for the early game. It is good because it makes up for the retarded health scaling in the late game, but early game it is almost entirely worthless. Bone spear at level 7 with a +3 bone spear wand will be dealing 100 damage, which is more than enough to one or two hit all the generic monsters in act 2. If you upgraded the synergy, you'd be one hitting them. You should be concentrating entirely on making bone spear stronger, and maybe putting one or two points in a pet golem.

>>382504290
If you are playing solo you always level with minion builds. You either stick with it cuz you found all the skillerz or you swap to poison nova later.

>>382504415
Minion builds are shit for leveling. Bone spear that eventually specs into corpse explosion is one of the fastest builds in the game.

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>>382502230
Why the fuck would you use anything other than a defensive merc?

Is there any other ARPG as good as Diablo II?
I've already played Torchlight 1 and 2 and Borderlands, but they suck.
Divine Divinity is very good, but it's more similar to real cRPGs than Diablo. Also, Sacred 1 and especially 2 are weird.

>>382503660
You know that phrase "Jack of all Trades, Master of None"? You are Jack. And golems, bones, CE, melee, and bow fighter are yours trades. And you suck at all of them.

>>382504253
Absolutely fucking not.

>>382504504
>I haven't touched the game since they introduced synergies
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>382504539
PoE is the best thing out right now.

>>382504504
>Minion builds are shit for leveling.
The fuck? Minion builds are literally one of the easiest ways to level. The game literally plays itself for you and then you respec to something better once you have enough skill points / good gear to justify switching.

>>382504528
Because Prayer mercs have synergy with Meditation from insight, providing constant 60 hp/sec regen on top of your mana regen.

>>382504539
No.

>>382504692
The fuck you need health regen for? Just chug dem full rejuvs.

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>>382504504
>Killing everything on and off-screen fast and easily is shit for leveling

>>382504504
I dont think youve played in awhile if you thing minion builds are shit for leveling. Its literally the fastest build for untwinked and twinked necros.

>>382504630
>>382504636
It is "easy" in the sense that you basically can't die, but it is shit in the sense that it is slow. Bone spear + corpse explosion is far more efficient in terms of rushing through the game and leveling.

>>382504804
Laughing at poison

>>382504539
Path of Exile is much better than D2 game design wise and probably the best arpg we'll ever have.

>>382504539
No.

I played Divine Divinity for the first time 3 years ago and it was the first and only game to ever scratch that D2 itch for me. Torch, Grim Dawn, PoE - none of them ever did it for me.

>>382504873
>slow
Nigga, you dumb.

>>382504352
>Daggers and bows have nothing to do with magic necromancer skills.
Yeah, I know, it's just a tactical approach.
>>382504352
The game was fairly easy until this, spawning golems and skeletons, combining those weapons with bone spear and corpse explosions and spamming quick keys for mana potions made me spend money only on mana, I didn't even need to buy health potions. Only tough moment before this was Andariel fight.

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>>382504504
>minion builds are shit for leveling

>>382504692
That's retarded

anyone tried that "Path of Diablo" mod? Read an article saying it was great and fixed most of the major flaws of regular D2 while not going full retard like Median XL but didnt see any actual comments on it.

>>382504873
I guess, but I wouldn't really call it slow.

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>>382505071
>Not using wands for +skills
>Not specialising into either minions or bone
>Probably has points into dex and energy
>Casual filter filters him out
Nice build

>>382505243
No, it's trash, just like median or any other memer D2 mod.

>>382502339
>shit talking Emilio

You bad mouthing the Coach Gordon Bombay of my Mighty Duck skeleton crew?

>>382504916
I wish I could agree with you. I feel like logically PoE must be a better game. Every time I play it, however, I am completely underwhelmed by both the gameplay and progression, and I don't know why. There's nothing I can just point at and say, "X is bad, so I don't enjoy this."

Yet somehow it's never as fun as leveling a hammerdin or summon necro or bowazon or what have you was and still is. Admittedly, I do enjoy PoE more than trying to level up any assassin or barbarian in D2. Something about those classes just embody slow, tedious, non-comfy "fun."

>>382504553
Yeah. Being factotum in games reflects my personality, and it doesn't really work, except in Morrowind and Pillars of Eternity.

>>382505339
Not to mention that PoE is ugly as shit.

>>382505276
Wands are cool, and I'd be using them if I could find one. Those weapons I have are like level 12, but are uniques. Also, it was first character I made in Diablo II.

>>382505734
The merchants you buy potions from sell wands with +skills.

>>382505394
Diablo 2's classes leave open a shit ton of possible playstyles and even hybrid styles. Without due caution, however, overreaching is one of the few ways to really screw up and need to reroll (or reset, since they added that as an option).

Typically, you want to decide on one playstyle early on and address its flaws as you progress. For example, corpse explosion relies on at least one initial corpse. Thus, poison or bone spear are used to score the first kill, then CE takes care of the rest of the screen. Spending points on golems can then be seen as WASTING points on golems, because you will never invest enough to make them worthwhile yet also every point spent there is a point not spent towards your main gameplay style.

Lastly, while poison dagger is often a fantastic accessory skill, all other forms of melee both dagger or bow require investment in Dex so that your actually hitting, and the higher up you level the less reliable your hit chance will get while demanding more investment into that stat (and away from the stats you actually need). Trying to melee as a caster is an additional detriment.

>>382505318
Is druid the worst class? It's the only one I've never played.

>>382505339
That's because you consume those games more casually (which is fine). Leveling in PoE is just the beginnig of the experience, it's all about making builds and testing it versus the huge amount of end game content. It's a game that requires hundreds of hours before you can fully understand everything you can do with it.

Whereas Diablo is at its core a relatively short and simple game with very a good production value and artistic direction that you can just pick up and have fun with without having to overthink stuff.

It's always a matter of how you play.

>>382505974
No, I'd say barb is, if we're talking LoD. Druid's best build is better than Barb's best build.

Lvl with bone spear if you know what youre doin otherwise stick with pure summon + CE
all you need to carry you through the entire game is stealth (tal + eth in 2 socket body armour)

>>382505804
But they are pretty weak.
Also, how many charms is normal to have in inventory?

>>382505924
Also IIRC poison dagger's tooltip is misleading because the damage it displays is per second for x seconds but the duration is 0.4sec or something so you're dealing less than half the stated damage before factoring in enemy resistances

Just install PlugY so you can respec yourself if you fuck it up. Also infinite stash space

>>382506086
You are not looking for damage, damage does nothing. This isn't Diablo 3. You want +skills.

>>382506135
Yeah but playing solo sucks dicks.

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Friendly reminder that the assassin sucks and martial arts is the worst tree in the game.

>>382505990
I'll agree with you wholeheartedly there. Leveling up a character to the point of Hell Baal is something I do annually and then leave off, letting the char die to bnet and then restarting next year. I don't focus on end game stuff terribly hard. (Though I used to in days past, with my MF hammerdin and all that)

But compared to the other games I've tried, D2 has an excellent leveling experience and progression system, while D3, PoE, etc. really drag. The promise of "But the game doesn't "truly" begin until you hit max!" is one of the worst design decisions. Might as well just let someone start at max if that's the case.

>>382506135
this would have been my recommendation as well, but i think as a first time play through it's better to experience the game as is and learn from your mistakes rather than have you hand held like a toddler

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>>382506128
Not sure where you got that idea from.

>>382506402
I just did some research and it was Venom I was thinking of

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>>382506556
How dare you make a simple mistake, faggot.

>>382505071
>tactical approach
No, it is a nonsense choice. You could be doing screen-wide 60 magic damage with teeth, but instead you are pelting single enemies with 10 damage arrows.

>>382505015
>>382505137
I swear, it is like you tard wranglers only know how to play the most effortless build in the game, and you've somehow wrongly convinced yourself it is the best build at everything. It is a perfect build for someone new to the game, but in terms of leveling bone is way better.

>bone necromancer
>can easily select targets
>highly mobile
>has area of effect at level 1
>no troubles ever getting that first corpse for corpse explosion
>no need to ever slow down

>tard necromancer
>tons of time wasted on rebuilding your tards every time you restart the game, which is constantly if you are playing efficiently
>can't run by, shoot, explode; has to wait around and tard wrangle until your tards finally choose and kill something
>your tards can't effectively target without teleport, which means you have to deal with charges (only really starts becoming an efficiency issue by late nightmare)
>tards start becoming garbage by hell difficulty, to the point where your mercenary is almost always going to be the one to make the first kill
>poor area of effect until nightmare unless you are going to skimp on spending skill points on your tards, which causes further problems

>>382506128
>>382505924
Ah, nice. Thanks. I'll respec it then, and put points into bone spear and corpse explosion, those two together are great. Also, the dagger an bow I have cause knockback (the bow does poison damage, too) which is cool, and as I said, my character was overpowered until this point where I can't do anything. I usually like to figure things for myself, but I haven't played the game in years and am feeling nostalgic, so thanks for clearing these things up for me.

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>>382502339
>>382504145
good taste

>>382506661
Now you're being silly. Once a summonmancer hits his stride, you don't spend any longer in one place than it takes to just pick up the loot. You're practically holding alt as you play. Skeletons rarely need replacing if you're gear isn't outdated shit, and having your pic in resurrections is one of the more fun things about the spec, so time spent choosing corpses is not a waste, you tryhard feg.

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>2017 and people still haven't figured out that almost any non-autistic build is viable depending on your gear and how you play

Figured this'd be the best place to ask: has anyone tried out the D3 necromancer? All of the videos I've seen are either showcases or people clearly sponsored by Blizzard to push their content. Been feeling the itch to play a summoner and while I love D2 to bits its really showing its age.

>>382506236
uhh I wouldn't say the progression system of D2 is good. I mean it was complete garbage before synergies and it's not much better nowaday. If you don't stick to the very few builds that works you're pretty much fucked

>The promise of "But the game doesn't "truly" begin until you hit max!

Yeah no, that's not what I said, PoE progression is great and offers you a ton of options with many different gameplay and they're all viable, the main difference is that you need to put more effort into understanding how it all works contrary to most other arpg which are simpler and more intuitive as a result.

When some more casual players see the skill gem system with support gems and colored sockets and links and the big ass passive skill tree they get a little overwhelmed and don't enjoy it. Which is understandable. But for people who like deep mechanics and crazy synergies it's heaven.

But PoE progression is so fun they actually do "races" which are basically special ladder resets of like 30 minutes or a couple of hours with special mods and monsters where the goal is to go the farthest without dieing.

>>382507158
I did on the PTR and I'm not buying that shit, even though I'll play s11. Blizzard must not get money for this literal garbage.

>>382507187
uhhhh i uhh disagree uh

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>>382507158
Better question, why are you playing D3?

>>382507296
Brillant post from similarly brillant mind.

>>382507158
its ok as far as d3 is concerned but not great when comparing it otherwise
It only has 1 "viable" build right now that is miles beyond all the others
they fucked up trying to port over alot of things from d2 imo and didnt nail the class good
people like rhykker have good intentions but are completely wrong when trying to compare the necro from d2 to d3 he couldnt even remember 3 curse names and if he has even touched the necro it wasnt very intimate
but hes a d3 youtuber so its to be expected when someone like mrllama or xtimus would probably whole heartadely agree(and correctly believe) that d2 necro>d3

>>382507158
Its more of the same D3, but with a more involved pet build than the Witch Doctor.

Its alright. Though its balance is fucked, which fits right in with the rest. But just like the rest of D3, its got decent gameplay.

>>382506959
All I'm saying is that it is relatively slow, which makes it a poor choice for leveling. You can't be constantly running, because skeletons react to your movements. If you move too much, they will follow you instead of selecting an enemy to whack, and those enemies that you ran by are going to keep on living. Skeletons needing to be replaced is a problem with restarting, which as stated is a necessary part of rushing through the game. On the other hand, the bone necromancer is always ready and moving, he doesn't have to sit around with his skeletons while they poorly kill things. This is why you can beat the entire game as a bone necromancer from level 1 to hell Baal in around 11 hours if you know what you are doing.

>>382507187
>I mean it was complete garbage before synergies

Why? I'd say after synergies is far worse, with its needless powercreep.

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>>382507187
>uhh I wouldn't say the progression system of D2 is good.
This is a load of shit. Let me guess, you think D3 has a better progression system, don't you?

D2's system is perfectly fine. It has its flaws, but by and large, as long as you have even a slight idea of what you're doing, you can make a character that is viable in every difficulty mode. You pick a progression path that you like, such as a Necromancer that utilizes poison skills or a Paladin that utilizes auras, and you dump points into the skills that most closely correspond with/benefit the skills you want to use. Not exactly rocket science. It is a system that rewards you for playing how you want to play.

On top of that, because of how huge a role equipment plays in augmenting your character, you can make some pretty offbeat characters that still fare well in the late-game. I've made a Trang's necro that was an absolute beast.

Yes, if you are an absolute noob and you distribute your stat points across tons of unrelated abilities and you use the worst gear possible, then you are fucked and you will never make it very far. However, people like this are the same people who would play the game once, quit and then never return. By comparison, a system like that found in D3 offers no semblance of choice, risk or reward. All you have to do is have an IQ of 80 to realize "this equipment item boosts my damage more than this item", and you can pretty much use any skills you want with no consequences to how you pick or utilize them.

D2 was, is, and will always be the best.

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>>382506904
That's small time. Try 120 summons.

>>382507338
I'm a sucker for anything with a paladin in it, and the crusader fit the bill pretty well. RoS fixed a lot of the issues that plagued the game too, which helped to entice me back.

I'm not saying its not flawed though, just look at the fucking damage inflation that happens with every patch. Its pretty clear that the people behind the game now either can't, or don't want to, balance the game, so they just crank up the damage and health %'s every season. And now you've got double RNG with primal ancient items, literally a rare drop of a rare drop. Shits a mess and its part of why I haven't touched the game in over a year.

Grim Dawn's expansion is gonna have a necromancer and I'm really hoping it turn out well, I like GD and want to see it succeed. Me and a friend will be starting new Inquisitor/Necromancer characters once it goes live, should be fun.

>>382507683
Because in a lot of cases you had to go through dozen of levels without spending a single point in any skill. At least with synergies you have a real reason to use some lower level skills while leveling. But now that they added respec it doesn't matter anymore anyway.

>>382508028
You can tell it's going to be good when you project your hate of D3 on someone who hasn't even mentioned D3 once and follow up by

>D2's system is perfectly fine. It has its flaws

It didn't strike me as a post worth reading, sorry.

>>382508028
The sorts of people who complain about progression are the ones who don't abuse easy runewords like Smoke, Insight, Spirit and Ancient's Pledge. It's the ultimate casual filter.

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>>382508480
>You can tell it's going to be good when you project your hate of D3 on someone who hasn't even mentioned D3
What can I say? I can smell a faggot from a mile away.

>It didn't strike me as a post worth reading, sorry.
Right, because you have a shit opinion and you don't know what you're talking about.

>>382508219
How'd you get so many skeletons and mages?

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>>382507505
>someone replies with a non-argument
>"Brillant post from similarly brillant mind."
>someone replies with an actual argument
>It didn't strike me as a post worth reading, sorry.
Look at this faggot. Look at him and laugh.

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>>382508725
I dunno. How'd I get world first 99 ladder season 2?

>>382508526
The worst is when they use the argument of "you shouldn't have to read about game mechanics online just to make a good character".

>>382508785
a huge ego and little proof

>>382508725
Honestly though I don't remember that far back. I was so loaded and rich due to e-fame that I just made retarded builds and shared .wmv files from hosting websites all over the forums.

I made a build that joins PvP games, summons a bear that 1-shots anyone from town and would summon bears on top of people to insta-gib them.

>>382508946
Jammno = Jammku.

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>>382509049
Forgot my image.

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>>382509136
Also pretty much could command half the shitposters on the official forums to spam when I wanted. I had to much wealth I could do anything in the game.

When WoW came out, I let it all delete after 90 days or whatever.

>>382508028
You do realize you are putting on a pedestal a system that you say allows for playing a game however you want, and trashing a game that allows you to do the same, but more easily?

Fair enough, the lack of challenge and risk reward in D3 is cause for boredom after a while. But it is tailor made to allow for progression however you want, whereupon you reach the endgame such as it is.
Thus yes, D3 has a better progression system mechanically. With the caveat that once you do reach the endpoint, only very specific gear allows for anything because the powercreep goes out of control.

>>382509196
Not only do you sound like a massive, narcissistic faggot, your "half" is literally just two people, which is probably just you and a friend.

Go be a nigger somewhere else, Jammal.

>>382509049
Very cool, thanks for sharing.

>>382509367
You shouldn't be replying to that autistic retard in the first place. He's been cancershitposting for more than 5 years at least already.

>>382509294
>You do realize you are putting on a pedestal a system that you say allows for playing a game however you want, and trashing a game that allows you to do the same, but more easily?
Yeah, no. Diablo 3 lets you "play however you want" in the same way that a game like Call of Duty "lets you use whatever gun you want". It's artificial choice. It's choice without consequence. Diablo 2 encourages you to build a character around a particular play style, and either rewards or punishes you for sticking to or drifting from that style. Diablo 3 basically says "Hey, don't worry about a build, because every fucking skill in the game does the same exact shit". Of course, there will always be a meta -- a very particular combination of skills and equipment that is slightly better than the rest, but for 99% of the game it results in a lackluster experience that has no sense of weight or choice. It's just shit.

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>>382509603
First I ever seen him.

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>>382509367
Yeah, 99% of the forum posters were my friend cause I was the #1 biggest shit back in the day. Like, the Swifty of the D2 world.

Also, that was one screenshot out of months worth of spam. My threads got mass attention.

>>382508725
Early version of the game allowed to summon minions equal to the skill level so 40 skill = 40 skellingtons

>>382509694
How is choice artificial? It either is a choice, or its forced upon you.

Hell, D3 actually punishes you because most skills do not even have a dedicated boost. Not to mention broken skills that do not work or synergize correctlly.

Sure it may lack impact. But objectively, its progression system is mechanically superior. The way it plays and feels is iffy and subjective, but it generally achieves what it sets out to do.

>>382510298

>>382510368
It's artificial choice because your choices have no weight. Choices are based on consequence. If I choose a Mustang over a mini-van, my choice is going to have positive outcomes -- a cooler car with more horsepower -- or a negative outcome -- fitting less people in my car.

Diablo 3 has no consequences, and moreover, it has no variety. It has a ton of different abilities, each with different permutations (runes), but end-game these choices are undermined because the only thing that matters is using gear with the highest damage output. There is no skill, there is no strategy, there is no variety. Just a bunch of abilities with different visual effects that function largely the same. Like I said, there will always be a meta, even in the most simple games, but the reality is that Diablo 2 affords you actual choices and allows you to create a distinct character with advantages and disadvantages, whereas Diablo 3 is purely a power game.

The worst part is, it doesn't even offer you the ability to create characters that are wacky but still viable. I can create something retarded like a bowmancer with Enigma for PvP that will annoy the shit out of people, even if the average player just uses a hammerdin, because tactics play a large role in success. By comparison, D3 has no strategy. You either A) keep incrementally improving your gear with minimal upgrades, or B) follow a cookie-cutter build for maximum damage output. That's all there is to D3. It's as wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle.

>>382510298
>mass attention
>20 views, 2 replies
lel

>>382510820
M8, you're pointing way too much effort into arguing with someone who likes Diablo 3 in the year of 2017. There is nothing you can say to change his mind.

It's a free country. He's allowed to have shit opinions.

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>>382510865
>just responded to, and insulted, yourself

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>>382511007
>M8, you're pointing way too much effort into arguing with someone who likes Diablo 3 in the year of 2017. There is nothing you can say to change his mind.
You've got a point there.

>>382504539
Grim Dawn is the best arpg currently by a wide margin.

>>382510865
>so braindead he forgets to remove his trip when samefagging

Don't say I didn't warn you guys.

>>382511198
Maybe on opposite day.

>>382511198
Does it have LAN Co-op?

>>382511268
>so braindead he forgets to remove his trip when samefagging
Absolutely unforgivable levels of autism. My question is, why is he even arguing with himself to begin with? Does he think that introducing the shadow of doubt will make his retorts more believable?

>>382511336
Damn, really cool comeback that was hashtag tite.

But no, on normal day like today.

>>382511407
Bet yer sweet ass n titties it does.

>>382511449
The retarded-looking health bar in GD alone tells you everything you need to know about this game. D2 remains the king.

>>382506232
Kicksins are pretty decent but you need god-level gear to outmatch even a basic smiter.

>>382511449
>that was hashtag tite

Is this even English? What are you trying to say, Grim Yawn baby boy?

>>382511569
I'm trying to think of any way you could possibly have made yourself sound any stupider than with what you just said. Drawing a blank.

>>382504539
I had fun with Victor Vran but it's very casual

>not-Geralt goes to not-Tristram and gets heckled and memed on by not-the Narrator from the Stanley Parable

i think one of the dlcs has him fighting hitler

>>382510331
Thanks.

>>382507187
very few builds that work?

List those builds now or I call bullshit.

So is it the same 1-2 people shitting on Grim Dawn? The fact they keep using Grim Yawn really gives it away.

>>382511690
>Drawing a blank.
I'm not surprised, given that you like Grim Dawn and are thus operating on sub-autism levels of consciousness.

In case you don't understand, let me spell it out for you: the health bar looks fucking stupid and isn't aesthetically pleasing, the description of which applies to the entire game.

>>382511428
Literally anyone here could be this autist, even me. The Thing of imageboards.

>>382511847
Since you're so fucking stupid that you literally look at one aspect of the UI of a game and think that's all you need to know, let me spell it out for you: The copy-pasted health orb is old and tired and should never be used again. Maybe try playing a game before attempting to talk about it.

>>382511726
>>not-Geralt goes to not-Tristram and gets heckled and memed on by not-the Narrator from the Stanley Parable
That actually sounds incredibly amusing, we need more games about edgelords being forced to put up with a ridiculous premise that doesn't entertain or facilitate their edginess.

>>382511915
Autism: the Conspiracy
Starring Jammku At YouTube

"One faggot. Many names."

Coming to theatres near you this summer.

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>>382512049
>Since you're so fucking stupid that you literally look at one aspect of the UI of a game and think that's all you need to know,
Try to keep up kiddo: I'm not looking at "one aspect of the UI", I mentioned that the UI is shit and thus reflects the game as a whole.

>The copy-pasted health orb is old and tired and should never be used again.
The "copy-pasted health orb" as you put it is literally 10x less fucking retarded looking than the constricted peen known as Grim Dawn's health bar.

>Maybe try playing a game before attempting to talk about it.
I did. And it's fucking shit.

>>382511690
>says the guy that unironically thinks GD is good

sometimes I get the urge to buy a physical copy of diablo 2 and play it

>>382511535
Nice! We need more LAN Co-op games.

>>382511030
>>382511268
>>382511428
I was content to not bother saying anything, mostly cause the dude sounds like an asshat and probably deserves the rep, but somehow it kept spreading.

Notice the difference in the tripcode itself.

>>382512320
You should. It's objectively the best ARPG ever created. They literally still sell physical copies in Wal-Mart, 17 years after release. That should tell you something about how good this game is.

>>382512320
At the bare minimum, get the digital copy, because fuck deal with disks. Also, you could wait for the HD Remaster that is inevitably coming.

>>382512320
Why not just buy a digital copy?

>>382512392
I know m8, I owned 3 physical diablo 2s in my life, first time I played this when I was 7yo

>>382512382
>Notice the difference in the tripcode itself.
>Jammal at YouTube
So do explain, are you obviously samefagging again by accident, or are you trying to salvage what little of your rectum is left by "making fun of yourself" and pretending that you aren't as retarded as you are?

>>382512462
because I have a special relationship with the physical edition of this game and really like the design of the cover

also physical editions are god tier anyway

>>382512059
the sheer lack of fucks the Voice gives about the setting of the game is the most entertaining part of the story

>>382510820
Its not a matter of meta, but a question of progression. That was the original point. You have the choice, you can level and progress much more smoothly.

In terms of build testing, leveling a character solo or in group is made much easier and smoother due to the mechanics of the game.
Testing out a build is made much easier.
Is it cookie cutter? Yes. Is it deep as a puddle? Yes. Is the gameplay experience flashier but not necessarily more satisfying? Yes.
But mechanically speaking, D3 has a much better progression than D2. At the expense of active skill choice, charms, and so on.

On the other hand, removing attribute points and even the skill tree was the right thing to do, and forever will be. But that's a different matter.

>>382512560
>So do explain
I mean, if you insist. I was doing the Jammal follow up after posting >>382509367. But I was switching between threads, and on that given post, when I copypasted his name back, I forgot to fix the name while attaching a trip - the opposite of the mistake I made with >>382509758, where I forgot how trips worked in the first place.

>>382512462
I hate digital copies, I never bought one in my life. Plus, there's nothing better than owning a big box of 90's RPGs.

>>382512659
>D3 has a much better progression than D2

What do you mean exactly, considering you get geared within a day of the season, and from then all you do is autistically grind mats to craft/reforge to min max with minuscule upgrades?

>>382512659
>You have the choice, you can level and progress much more smoothly.
You're conflating ease of progress and quality. If all you want is a "smooth" experience where you can progress without any effort, thought or investment of time, then please allow me to introduce you to Gauntlet.

>In terms of build testing, leveling a character solo or in group is made much easier and smoother due to the mechanics of the game.
Yes, it is absolutely easier, because the game requires no thought to succeed.

>Is it cookie cutter? Yes. Is it deep as a puddle? Yes. Is the gameplay experience flashier but not necessarily more satisfying? Yes.
So you are basically admitting that the game is dead simple, but you are arguing that it is more satisfying because you don't have to use your brain... ooooookay.

>But mechanically speaking, D3 has a much better progression than D2. At the expense of active skill choice, charms, and so on.
Again, "satisfying" really depends on your perspective. Personally, there is nothing satisfying to me about enduring a painful grind to 70 and then pushing grifts. I can play Diablo 2 and make 10 characters, each with the same exact build, and it will always be engrossing and fun because the gameplay and mechanics are more interesting and varied.

>On the other hand, removing attribute points and even the skill tree was the right thing to do, and forever will be.
Wrong.

>>382513032
>a painful grind to 70

Have you even played D3?

>>382513194
>Have you even played D3?
Have you? Because after your first character, retreating the same ground with a piss-weak toon is boring as shit. Diablo 2's early game will always be fun because of the many opportunities for variation in gameplay, and the fact that combat is infinitely more satisfying. Diablo 3's early game is boring as fuck.

>>382513374
Have you? It's not a painful grind at all, you just rushed by someone else while you afk taking a piss..

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>>382513507
>The game is so fucking boring that I get someone else to power level me instead of playing the actual game, versus Diablo 2 where I can actually enjoy playing the game even when I make a new character
Case closed.

>>382513610
Closed what? You literally said leveling to 70 in D3 is a painful grind, which is literally insanely wrong. I takes no effort whatsoever and is 10 times faster than getting rushed in D2 even.

>>382513682
>Closed what? You literally said leveling to 70 in D3 is a painful grind, which is literally insanely wrong. I takes no effort whatsoever and is 10 times faster than getting rushed in D2 even.
If a game is actually fun to play, I shouldn't have to engage in an unintended form of leveling just to get to a point where I can enjoy the game. What if Diablo 3 had an offline mode and I only played solo? Would you admit that the game was shit then? The point is that in Diablo 2, there is no point at which I have to say "Boy, this game sucks, better get powerleveled so I can get to the good part". The entire game is the good part. It's fun to play, over and over and over. Diablo 3 is fucking amateur hour by comparison and literally the ONLY "enjoyable" part of the game is grinding rifts thousands of times so you can autistically upgrade your equipment by small increments over weeks and weeks. It is a fucking terrible game dude.

>>382513850
Are you autistic? Why are you moving the goal posts and bringing up Diablo 2? You said getting to 70 in D3 is a painful grind, which it's not. What's wrong with you?

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>>382513904
>Are you autistic? Why are you moving the goal posts and bringing up Diablo 2?
Lol... the whole fucking argument we're having here is a comparison between Diablo 2 and Diablo 3. You really have no basis for calling anyone autistic my dude, you fit the bill quite well yourself.

>You said getting to 70 in D3 is a painful grind, which it's not. What's wrong with you?
At this point in the conversation, it's pretty clear to me that you are medically retarded and there is no getting through to you. If you actually enjoying trudging through the same boring gameplay over and over and won't acknowledge that the early game (and late game) of Diablo 2 is objectively superior, then allI can say is that I take pity on you. You will forever have to endure shit gameplay while I get to play an actual fun game.

This is my last response, so I'll let you have the last word, since life has already fucked you enough by making it possible for you to enjoy this shitty game. Later.

>>382513032
No, you are conflating perceived quality and design. At the end of the day, D3 allows the player to do most of what they want with their character. Yes I admit plenty was oversimplified. Because Blizzard looked at what the players did in D2 and repeated it in D3: endlessly grind the same bosses, forevermore. But only a few managed to this consistently and they decided that there was a market there, one that wanted to play the game like the best without the effort. A market that was huge, and it sold really well.

It does everything the previous game allowed for, but in a controlled environment. I keep saying this, but _mechanically_ it does this and and does it well. It failed to develop a more complex, satisfying system by being more immediately satisfying to play. That is to say, it is more satisfying early on because of the production value put in the gameplay as opposed to the system. Nothing wrong with liking a game that has a superficially impactful gameplay.

It suffers on scrutiny, particularly because it came years after a game that was played religiously for years. Taken on its own, you get your money's worth at first but it does not hold up long term, particularly if you enjoy theorycrafting. And it is possible to jump in, do the seasonal content then move on until the next release because that's what it was designed to do. Moreover, want to try a different character? leveling is piss easy and allows to jump right into the meat of things, build testing.

_Mechanically_ speaking it works precisely as intended, That is to say that it allows for trying out any build with minimal fuss, allowing to prepare for endless grinding of bosses. Better yet, if the meta changes, the players can follow along very easily.

That's why its better. Is it superior in truth? That's a subjective matter.

And yes, I still say that removing mechanics that barely had any use beyond reaching specific values in order to equp specific gear was the right thing to do.

>>382514192
>going on an autistic rant and typing all that shit for no reason

Didn't read, you're clearly mentally challenged.

Look at my first post again >>382513194

Note what that addressed. Your wrong statement, nothing about Diablo 2, nothing about fun, nothing about whatever the fuck you're going on a rave about. It addressed you saying getting to 70 is a painful grind, and that's factually wrong. It takes 10 minutes of you afking, literally.

>>382504916
>Path of Exile

Path of tediously grinding for a high level gimmick build that will be nerfed next update.

OH baby, only 60 hours more grinding and i'll have enough mats to craft an acceptable chest armor! Can't wait to start grinding for mats for boots! Whew fun!

I pity people who play games where good loot drops from enemies that you have fun killing!

>>382504253
I dunno, I was level 30 when I beat diablo on normal the first time.

>>382506661
>2017
>not being a summonmancer without maxxed synergy Corpse explosion
We know you're just pretending to be retarded at this point. Git gud.

>>382515207
>corpse explosion
>synergy

What are you even trying to say? Regardless, summonmancer is only notably good at doing ubers, and that is only because of revives. It is shit in all other aspects.