>Played Dark Souls for the first time a while ago >Absolutely

It's a good game not worthy of the Souls name.

>I've just barely made it past the tutorial parts and I've already been disappointed like five times

Starting to believe these gay threads are getting dumber each and every time anew.

Dark souls 1 or 2.?

By the way darksouls2 is a good game

>>382436830
The game has many disappointments and most of them is just the enemies and bosses being piss easy and shitty hit boxes.you should just complete one run and then go to 3.

>>382436830
It's a great game with its own strengths. Stick with it if you dare.

>>382436830
So an optional tutorial is bad now?

Fuck, and I thought being able to rush past the boring was a staple of the games.

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>tutorial section
>no boss

How did this get approved?

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>>382436830
>Does this game come anywhere near the first DaS or DeS? Be honest.

nope

and for the record you bought the "we improved it, we swear" edition of DaS2

>>382436830

DaS2 is trash, in all respects. The only people who speak well of it are /v/ contrarians, and fans of that one youtuber who made a video about it for e-likes

>>382439791
and PvP fags, that is like the biggest thing I have seen defended about that shitty game on this site

>>382439873

Oh yeah. Those people who think it's good pvp to hang around the belfries and gank people

>>382436830
My entire experience playing this game felt more like a chore than having fun. I finished it eventually but don't plan on replaying it like I have with 1 and 3.

>>382436830
>How many disappointments await me?
If you lower you standards not that many, just don't go expecting inter-connected world, good npc quests, good level design, well made areas contextually and you'll have a good time.

>>382439791
>DaS2 has gone from a disappointing sequel to a bad game in general

So this is the power of shitposting.

>over half the bosses are multi-target bosses

shit

>>382436830
No, but you should play it regardless. It builds character and make you sad at how many weapons and armor sets from it didn't appear in DaS3.

It grows on you eventually

>>382439975

It's both. It's the Harmony of Dissonance of Dark Souls games. Undeniably bad by fans of the series and non-fans alike, and praised only by contrarians.

>>382440064

when?

>>382437529
He means that he is just beyond the tutorial.
I am sure that if he beat the first game the tutorial of the second game would not pose a significant challenge to him.

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>>382439964
>well made areas contextually

like this.

and yet DaS2 fags defend a level connection that is literally this

>>382439791
>DaS2 is trash, in all respects

Not really. It has much better combat than DaS.

>>382440330
>It has much better combat than DaS.

how so?

Lets see.
DeS has zero world interconnectivity so you rarely feel like your exploring the same kingdom. It also has the worst healing system out of all 5.
Its seen as an amazing game.

DaS changed the above in a new more "cohesive" setting and was seen as an amazing game.

DaS2 took aspects from both games and made an entirely new kingdom from DaS1 to learn of. Its story is as dumb as das though.
Its bad I guess

BB took aspects from the above games and changed the setting and playstyle enough to actually feel like a new game for once. This is the only one of the 5 with a full story and truly cohesive world.
Its bretty gud even if I dont like how healing works in it.

DaS3 took aspects from BB and thats about it, didnt improve on anything besides QoL stuff like the menus and controls. Kinda buttfucked the story of 1 as well.
Its good I guess.

So no, unless your a lorefag, graffixfag, or pvpfag.
They are all mediocre 3d action games with light RPG elements that are largely useless. The story has always taken a backseat to the gameplay.

If your a lorefag das2 is garbage because 1 and 3 have "the best story ever" even though BB does it far better. If your a graffixfag you should play games, and if your a pvpfag well DaS2 is a love it or hate it kind of game because orbs and sm.

Its hilarious how people got so upset at agility in das2 though

>>382440079
>and non-fans alike

Highly unlikely since the major failures of DaS 2 rely on it being compared to the successes of it predecessor. The only people who adamantly dislike DaS 2 are ones who loved DaS 1 enough to be disappointed.

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>>382440171
My biggest problem actually is Drangleic castle.
Contextually it's supposed to be the castle where the king and queen used to live and rule the lands. In the game it's a mess that would make no sense outside of a game, and no one would really live there.

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>>382439791
>>382440079
>fatigued as hell from multiplayer shooters
>literally enjoyed the game since I picked it up and sorely needed something to scratch my RPG itch
>'ur judt contrarian'

Well you can fuck right off, that's for sure.

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>>382440501
>Its hilarious how people got so upset at agility in das2 though

because the game never explained what agility did and people dismissed it as a useless stat. Like resistance.

>mfw DaS3 removed Agility/ADP

>>382440618
>because the game never explained what agility did
>i cant read a in game menu or look at the stat increases shown before committing a level

Must not have gotten far in DeS huh?

>>382439873
i never had a decent pvp match in ds2
always lag movement and attacks and they didn't even flinch back once i hit them

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>>382440501
>DeS has zero world interconnectivity so you rarely feel like your exploring the same kingdom
Just like 2, except that DeS makes sense since you're warping to the areas, instead of going through some tunnels

>Check catalog
>No DaS 2 bait thread

Well we can't have that now can we?

>>382436830
I'm with you OP. I had to stop playing it. I started playing Bloodborne instead and holy fuck I am so glad I made that decision. If I go back to DS2, I may just look up an OP build and run through the game just for completion sake because there was not one thing I enjoyed about it. DS1 does literally everything better. I cannot name one single thing I enjoyed about DS2 more except ladder sprinting.

>>382440584
>literally enjoyed the game

You won't be missed

>>382440695
>Must not have gotten far in DeS huh?

I got the DeS Platinum.

Besides, the in game prompts mentioned nothing about agility affecting i-frames.

i will never not upvote this thread, too bad i cant give you gold im broke right now ;)

>>382440816
I'm not going anywhere if that's what you're implying.

>>382440737
DaS1 had this in spades but tis duh best gaem evar tho!

Remember how easy it was to connect to you friends without mods?

It made me feel things I haven't quite felt since putting a Devil May Cry 2 disc in my PS2 in 2003.
It's a godawful followup to Demons and Dark, and barely passable as an ARPG in general.

Eh, Dark Souls 2 wasn't so ba-
>shit bosses with trash mobs
>gank squads of 8 or so enemies run at you through walls
>starter weapon is best weapon in the game
>glitch is now a stat
>story is assholes
>levels don't connect

>>382441364
There is one time when you're forced into fighting a gank squad of enemies, when you pull the lever and the basilisks drop down.

DS1, DS3 and BB force you to fight gank squads too, where did this meme that this is a DS2 thing come from?

>>382440371
Not him but
I really liked having a weapon's complete moveset in the left hand and power stancing is great.

It builds off of dark souls in some good ways, but stuff like boss variety really kills it for me.
Just play bloodborne

>>382441579
because they are more prevalent in DaS2.

Like the gank squad of archers AT A FUCKING BONFIRE

>>382441628
>power stancing
a gimmick that makes you drop your shield and rely on rolling in a game with fucked hitboxes, no thanks

>>382436830
People who claim DaS2 is the worst shit ever are:retards who:
>watched MM's videos and never played the game
>think slightly heavier stamina consumption, less IASA frames and no hitstop make the game ABSOLUTELY FUCKING UNPLAYABLE CLUNKY BUZZWORD GARBAGE
>fags who only know one way to play DeS and DaS, which is never ever disengage lock on, aggro enemies one by one and rush behind them for cheap backstabs with infinite iframes
>lorefags and I'm not even gonna comment on that
>muh suspension of disbelief/atmosphere/environmental storytelling fags who'd rather complain about how tall a wall is supposed to be to be "realistic"

Which one of these are you OP?

>>382441579

>open door in lost bastille
>7 royal swordsmen

>turn a corner in huntsman's copse
>5 of those ninja things

>shaded woods
>hohoho invisible enemies are funny!

Now tell me about the DS1 dragon cheap death, and pretend there isn't the exact same thing in 2, contrarian.

>>382441720
>gank squad of archers AT A FUCKING BONFIRE

What gank squad at a bonfire?

>>382441731

>linking iframes to fps
>good idea

yeah, I wish all games rewarded people for playing at 30fps.

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>>382441731
>watched MM's videos

0/10, not need to read the rest of the bait

>>382441808
Sinners Rise. SotFS made it so there was only one and he did not snipe you while you were sitting at the bonfire.

>>382436830
>>382437529
Dark Souls 2 is a non-game

>>382441960
You're a non-person.

>>382441995
for you

>we should have invisible enemies!
>a-and s-sometimes! Bonfires should EXPLODE after major bosses! HAHAHA!
>and SOUL MEMORY
>and the opening cutscene should talk about how you'll die a lot!
>THIS IS DARK SOULS!

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>>382441884
>tfw people began to realize that PC weapons were degrading twice as fast as console weapons.

Initially I felt stupid for being duped into buying DaSII, but after I got over that it was a fun shitshow to laugh at.

>>382441960
Name one(1) reason why DaS2 is a non-game.

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I'm going to give DaS2 a chance and play it again. What's a good build that won't fuck me over?
I did a str/faith in DaS1, but I heard faith is balls in 2

>>382442153

It also makes dodging pointless because you're gonna take a hit anyway.

>>382441797
>7 swordsmen
If you don't just run in like a fucking retard then you never have to face them more than 2-3 at a time. Hardly a gank squad.

>5 of those ninja things
I have 220 hours logged and Ive never had to fight 5 of them at once, maybe you need to stop charging in.

>hohoho invisible enemies are funny!
They come at you one at a time, how is that a gank squad?

>>382441913
>literally quoted something you say
>this is somehow a "strawman"

>>382442150
>and add an achievement for dying called "Welcome to Dark Souls!"

>>382442150
>>a-and s-sometimes! Bonfires should EXPLODE after major bosses! HAHAHA!
Bonfire mimics were god-tier, fuck you.

>>382442296
>Bonfire mimics were god-tier, fuck you.

I a so glad I stopped playing DaS2 before that bullshit was patched in

>>382441720
>Like the gank squad of archers AT A FUCKING BONFIRE

I understood what the devs were trying to do, which was to subvert the concept that bonfire = safe. Perhaps it wasn't executed very well but that one mistake held more originality than the whole of DaS 3.

>power stancing
>a gimmick

Silly fisherman. Even most actual DaS 2 haters agree that power stance was cool and is missed in DaS 3.

>makes you drop your shield and rely on rolling

And you also admit you're a shitter. How cute.

>>382442212

>it's your fault somehow!
>works on MY machine!


yeah, no.

>>382440862
None of the game EVER have anything that explains iframes at all. Why the hell do people act like this was clear in anything else?

>>382442383
using a shield makes me a "shitter"?

>>382442434
Then literally every souls game is wall-to-wall gank squads if you're a fucking retard and just run in.

>Hey guys I ran past all of the enemies instead of luring them out 1-2 at a time
>What the fuck I had 17 hollows chasing me artificial difficulty shit game OGMWQIEHAJFGWENFWFD

>exploding enemy in a cell just after ruin sentinels fight blows you up as you walk past it

explain this bullshit.

>>382439791
>play and beat das2
>think it was a great game but fell short in comparison to das1 and BB (the two I'd played beforehand)
>go on /v/ to talk about it
>WTF STOP BEING CONTRARIAN YOU DON'T REALLY LIKE IT
I think the DaS2 hate meme has gotten out of hand.

>>382442523

Open the door, at least 4 come out. Take one step inside, 6. Sometimes seven because for some reason one pulls from 3 corridors away

It's just a bad game.

>>382440371
>enemies no longer attack through walls
>most enemies don't block, making them easily defeated with polearms
>no shitty 4-way rolling in lock-on, works in every conceivable direction
>no input lag on rolls, instant activation
>stamina cost for attacks lowered across the board
>poise always broken in two hits, making it predictable.

>>382441720
>Needs a shield
>cries about gank squads

Quit being a little casual bitch

>people still cant dodge in one of the easier games
The DLC bosses force you to so not really sure how you beat them without dodging.
>people still complain about muh durability on PC when its been fixed and was better before unfixed

I love how people complain about durability in a series where durability is completely useless in every single other entry. DaS2 pre patch 60 fps was the only time in any of the games where breaking a weapon was even a remote possibility. 3 is the worst because it pretends to have durability yet is never necessary to repair anything.

Either get rid of the entire thing or make it so it plays a part on game play, making you worry about breaking a weapon. This half assed weapons never break but lets pretend durability makes the game have more depth approach is actually retarded.

>>382442615
>at least 4 come out
Nope
>take a step inside, 6
Nope

DaS2 put in a lot of shit to cheap out the player, because the "dark souls is hard" meme had taken root by then. Anyone who complains about it is a "scrub" for not eating shit.

>>382442296
>Bonfire mimics
I've platinum'd das2 twice (ps3, pc), what the fuck is a bonfire mimic?

>>382442550
>I got caught by a trap and how is this fair?

It's a trap anon.

>>382442714
Something that was added in SoTFS. And it's beautiful.

>>382442434
I seriously don't get this. All those scenarios mentioned either have the enemies triggered individually, or provide tells and a chokepoint and environmental traps. I don't even understand how you can consider this a fault given how weaksauce most individual enemies in Souls games typically are.

>>382442454
What was there to explain? If you weigh less, you dodge better. If you weigh more, you dodge worse. It doesn't get more clear than that. It didn't matter what you were wearing or what your stats were, you had the same capability to dodge with every setup and character, depending on their equipment weight.

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>>382436830
Yes.
Lots.
No.

Dark souls 2 has the best pve content of them all, the pvp sucks tho.

>>382442671
using a primary game mechanic makes me a casual?

>>382442767
it's bullshit. Bonfires are the only safe haven in this series

>>382442776
>you had the same capability to dodge with every setup and character, depending on their equipment weight.
only if you upped the ADP stat. Equipment weight meant fuck all outside of the fast/normal/fat roll which was in DaS1

>>382442714
A meme, literally.

>>382441797
And? Learn to play without locking on, to whiff punish and weave and roll between enemies attacks instead of relying on a 0 frame critical hit with a five seconds invlunerable animation. Fucking scrub.
And in the shaded woods you get attacked by maybe two invisible enemies at once, and the wole area is 20 seconds long, stop being a scrub.
>>382442150
Exploding bonfires do no damage you fucking falseflagger. And wooah the opening cutscene thing really breaks my ludonarrative immersion or whatever the shit, worst game confirmed.
>>382441364
>glitch is now a stat
What the fuck are you talking about. Please don't tell me you are one of those 12 year olds who never played a game before Souls and think iframes during rolls are some sort of exploit or glitch.

>>382442767
When? I played SotFS up to Shrine of Amana and never encountered one yet.

>>382442550
>not being cautious for traps
DaS2 has its faults but you are simply retarded

>>382442550
>come up to tunnel
>can easily hear the enemy making its recognisable groaning sound
>ignore the sound and slowly walk down the corridor
>hear the enemy scream, giving you 3-4 seconds to run away before it explodes
>don't bother to run away, and die
>complain on a mongolian cave paintings catalogue

>>382442615
>im bad at games
If you open the door zero of them are aggroed, its only when you step forward and even then its only 3-4, completely normal for every souls game. If you rush in then you get fucked.

But guess what, if you actually look you can see a window directly across the room. If you use the window from the outside you can actually aggro them one at a time since they apparently are far too hard to handle otherwise.

Its like you faggots never even played the ToTG where the worst gank squad still resides. Besides the 3 giants in DeS 5-2, I still have flashbacks on my str build

>>382442960

>think iframes during rolls are some sort of exploit or glitch.

someone played on console..

>>382442569
I thought that before I ever played it. I figured it was going to be okay and everyone here exaggerated. I was wrong. The memes were real. DeS, DS1 and BB are all really good games. DS2 is just fucking awful. I haven't got to DS3 yet.

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>Ringed City shows the end of a world
>Anor Londo still stands
>Lothric stands too
>no Drangleic
>the only mentions of DS2 in TRC are earthen peak which plays way fucking better than original area, the fact that knights of drangleic tried to infiltrate the RC and got absolutely fucked and last bit of Alva/Zulie which leads to depressing bad end of their story

>>382442940
>only if you upped the ADP stat
I explaining why the DeS/DaS system made sense, not the dumpster fire that DaS2 created.

>>382442976

>recognisable groaning sound

anon, it's the first time you face that enemy, and you can't see it in the cell.

>>382442940
>only if you upped the ADP stat. Equipment weight meant fuck all outside of the fast/normal/fat roll which was in DaS1
So distance doesnt mean anything now?

>>382442998
>Its like you faggots never even played the ToTG where the worst gank squad still resides.

wasn't that Skeleton pit completely optional?

unlike the mandatory gank squads in 2?

>>382443079
I liked how DaS2 was outright ignored in 3.

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>>382442550
I actually saw the light from the bonfire at the end of the hallway. So I ran and he never hit me.

>>382440330
Are you kidding?
Everything you do feels like you're wading through molasses. DaS2 combat manages to be both slow and weightless.
Some people like the PvP just because there are admittedly a lot of options, but the combat is the least satisfying of any souls game.

>>382443098
>So distance doesnt mean anything now?

not when the only thing that matters was the i-frames

I'm pretty much the same, aside from the fact I've never actually played 2. I dropped hours in das1 around the time it was released, played it again later on PC then skipped 2 and somewhat enjoyed 3. 2 has been sitting on my shelf for months now, I don't even want to try it because i know i'll just be disappointed and the pvp will be dead (which was apparently the best thing about it).

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>>382436830
This is where I knew this game was fucking shit, the thing I hate most about DS2 is the aesthetic.

>>382436830
It's nowhere near as good as the other Souls games, but if you went in with high expectations after what a lot of people have said about the game, then it's your own damn fault.
But if you go in expecting mediocrity there might be a chance you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I've never played SotfS though, because I don't buy or play disappointing games twice, but I honestly don't know how much they can actually fix from vanilla DS2.
I find that just being able to have 99x3 healing items other than estus with an infinitely repairable ring of sacrifice completely shits on the core Souls gameplay loop, and destroys any real sense of dread, pretty much ruining the game. Instead of fixing humanities from DS1 they made it much worse.

>>382443128
>unlike the mandatory gank squads in 2?
You can go around the ruin sentinels in the bastille retard.
Huntsmans copse has the least "gank squads" of all the areas so not sure what youre even going on about anymore.

Shitposters love to ignore all the flaws that are present in the games they defend.
Especially if the franchise as a while is just meh

I was expecting the game to grow on me but every aspect of it seems to be anti fun. They de-emphasized shields at the beginning but rolling is crap because you have like half the iframes on 60fps. Everything had to be dealt with tediously by R2ing a thrusting attack and positioning optimally all the time. On the other hand the game balance simply flipped to the other end once I got the first 100% resist shield as stamina loss on blocked hits was very low compared to 1. I breezed through the sinner's rise and iron keep paths without a single boss death but the game was still boring as hell compared to 1 where enemies were places to complement the level design, not sprinkled randomly as 'challenge'

I'm not sure if it was just because I went in with extremely low expectations because /v/ told me it was the WOAT but I really liked DaS2 except for all the "LE HARDEST GAME WELCOME TO DARK SOULS XD" shit and Shrine of Amana. Much better than that shitshow DaS3.

>>382443171
Sorry, I can't hear you over my omnidirectional rolling and powerstancing.

DS1
>sit in a coffin
>infiltrate a secretive and shadowy sect and become a member of their ghastly covenant

DS2
>sit in a coffin
>change genders because lolololol

>>382443278

>You can go around the ruin sentinels

>>382442702
>DaS2 put in a lot of shit to cheap out the player, because the "dark souls is hard" meme had taken root by then

The whole fucking point is that the game assumes you've played the previous game and learned how to cheese it, and so deliberately puts in counter-mesures so that your standard tactics no longer automatically work and you have incentive to find more creative approaches. Holy shit I have no idea why you people don't get this. People in this thread actually complain about shit like 'invisible' enemies that apparently 'gang up' on you, when the fuckers in the shaded woods have neither quality. No, everything has to be - lock on, iframe, backstab - with you people.

Fuck you all for not appreciating what the game actually tried to do. Same with all those who reduce what it does with PvP to arenafagging.

Best PVP in the series. But that's it.

>>382443061
you should play 3. It's the best in the series.

>>382443413
>you have incentive to find more creative approaches

except ranged or magic because gank squads

>>382443450
I plan on it after I get through some NG+s in BB.

>>382443332
If you think those make up for DaS2's many glaring design flaws, by all means enjoy.

>>382443443
>the most passive and defensive pvp with literally broken invasion system thanks to no full orb
Yeah no.
Eat shit.

>>382443413

>People in this thread actually complain about shit like 'invisible' enemies that apparently 'gang up' on you, when the fuckers in the shaded woods have neither quality.

They ARE invisible tho

>>382439501
Sorry anon but you might have autism. Crown of the sunken king is such a step up in quality from the main game its ridiculous.

>>382443207
>i cant think
So lets say for instance at a locked 30fps you dodge with meh agi and get 8 iframes or some shit. This is purely an example and not how the frame numbers actually scale.

Now that we set up this scenario think about this. If you only have 8 frames and dodge heavy you will move about 5 feet with 8 frames. So when the frames are active during about 1-2 feet of your dodge.

Now lets do the same thing naked. You get the same 8 frames but you dodge a good 10 feet now. That means those 8 frames now cover 2-4 feet, twice the coverage in your roll, and this all happens in the same number of frames as the above.

See how distance matters now retard?

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>>382443338
DS1
>kill large intimidating monster
>get lots of souls and a sick weapon/boss soul

DS2
>kill large intimidating monster
>change gender

>>382443413
except directly countering the player without forging it's own entity is bad game design you cuck. More enemies didn't make the game better

>>382442776
>If you weigh less, you dodge better.

Yes you dodge faster, in no way does this imply an affect on invincibility, especially when armor should let attacks glance off you more easily.

To anyone forcing themselves to finish Dark Souls 2 so they can jump into 3 or just for the lore, let me shorten it for you:

The only thing it adds to the series lore is Gwyn started a neverending cycle and the arc your character did in ds1 is repeated over and over again across the ages. People keep rekindling the flame.

That's all there is to it. You can move on.

>>382443374
You can.

Are you so bad at games you didnt realize the bastille is the best area in terms of letting you find your own way? Sinners rise is easily reachable without ever seeing the gank squad or ruin sentinels.

>>382443338
DS2
>sit in a coffin
>some kind of nefarious hex regrettably makes the player character nefariously change gender. Spooky adjectives.


DS1
>sit in a coffin
>get an edgelord sword lolololol

>>382443061
DaS2 is so awful it isn't even mentioned in 3. 2 just feels... Off. 3 feels like playing an expanded version of the first game.

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>>382443495
Soul Vortex. Fire Tempest. Heavenly Thunder.

Jesus christ people the game was literally designed for you to deal with ganks effectively and you took none of the tools provided to you.

>>382443629

Don't forget the magic hat that can stop hollowing, because fuck you that's why

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>>382443551
>he couldn't see them

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>>382443562
>Crown of the sunken king is such a step up in quality from the main game its ridiculous.

if that is the case, than DaS2's main game was really, really, bad because CotSK was bad

>>382443659

Yeah, i'll take the sword, thanks.

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>>382443659
>nefarious nefariously

>>382443738
Your opinion is objectively wrong.

>>382443682

>late game spells
>someone revelant to anything but the late game

>>382443731
Smelter goes from hardest vanilla, to joke.

>>382443567
which means nothing when enemy swings track your movement + their fucked up hitboxes.

>>382443530
There's plenty of things that do I didn't list

>>382443694
Which is completely ignored and never mentioned again.

>>382436830
well memed faggot.
Its a good game, it lacks in some cases, but so does dark souls one. stop hero worshipping the game.

>>382443569
>change gender
what

>>382443738
Dark Souls 2's main content is great and Sunken King is even better

I'm so glad I dont have opinions as bad as yours

>>382443495
>except ranged or magic

Do you want to talk to me about how magic worked in DS1? Really?

>>382443862
I just started BB recently and this is always the best part.

People actually think the other games dont have phantom grabs all the time and terrible tracking.

I got to old yarnham and half the enemies had awful tracking up to that point. Seriously anyone who thinks their programming has changed since DeS is a dumbass

>>382443915
>Dark Souls 2's main content is great

I beat DaS2. This statement is bullshit

>tfw trying to platinum DSII
>Accidently kick the miracle bitch you save from Heide's tower off the cliff
>Have to beat the entire game all over again so I can get the spell you get from killing her because for whatever reason I never picked it up on my first playthrough and I ignored her on my second
>Stuck on Royal Rat Vanguard and Executioner Chariot because I'm a Hex caster and both fights are annoying as fuck because of the ten hour delay in moving after every spell

>>382443873

Well, it's not like halting the hollowing is important or anything.

>>382443913
If you get inside the coffin at the lake in the starting area, your character changes genders.

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>>382443915
>Dark Soul 2's main content is great

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>Aldia is never mentioned in the entirety of DS3

>>382443987

Not really. We're talking about DS2, and how shit it is, not DS1

>>382444045
>Aldia

who?

>>382442714
A meme. Bonfires explode whenever Aldia appears, but it doesn't do damage to you, it's only part of his dramatic entrance.

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>>382443413
>what it does with PvP
removes actual red eye orb?
gives few DEAD AS FUCK gimmick covenants that died 3 months after release?

>>382444032
Interesting, never noticed it.

>>382436830
Literally just try to hold on onto the fun bosses, DS2 is a fucking mess but DS3 ends up redeeming it.

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>>382443996
>>382444037
>teehee i said dark souls 2 is le bad again xD

Its better than 95% of games released nowadays, its just the worst souls game. Kill yourselves memers.

>>382443738
Truth. That whole building that was covered top to bottom in spikes and revolving doors was hilarious. It was the same sort of problem that Drangleic castle had. They wanted you to believe that people actually lived in these carnival funhouses.

>>382444045
DS3 feels like it's a prequel to DS2, where the references to DS2 are just the earlier appearances of stuff that later gained popularity after the fall of Lothric.

>>382444045
There's a mention of the "First Scholar" or whatever in the description of the laser beam sorcery, I think.

If I told you guys my tier list for these style games I would make you explode in rage.

I just like fun games. Recently finished up turok 2 and fuck I thought I'd never get out of the hive.

>>382444016
I know right, not like countless kingdoms have fallen since the dawn of men thanks to it.

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>>382444343
Debunked ages ago.

>>382444006
if a character dies from falling, exit game and reload, his drops will be on the edge. all souls games work like this.

>hm, this boss is okay
>it summons things
>now it's shit

The entire game.

>>382444343
First scholar isn't the same as Scholar of the first.

At any rate, what was this First Sin anyways? I thought the guy only wanted to turn stuff into dragons.

>>382444419
Not DeS.

>tfw dickbutt jumps off the precipice and take the key to old king with hm

>>382443802
>late game spells
>can be acquired 15 minutes into the game

Don't make up shit when you yourself haven't played the game enough to know those are extremely early game spells

Firestorm (weaker form of fire tempest) you can buy from Rosabeth super early in the game and it doesn't take much longer to get Tempest

Heavenly Thunder you get from completing Heide's Tower and it's already the strongest version of the miracle.

Soul Vortex you can buy in Lost Bastille but it's 10 grand.

>>382444465

It's a catchy title. Who cares about lore?

>>382444337
Nah, by the time of DS3 events of DS2 are just completely forgotten aside from a few artefacts and Drang mercenaries who are nearly extinct.

>>382444465
It was re-kindling the first flame.
Shit goes bad and darkness festers when bathed in too much light and not allowed to exist naturally.

>>382437529
This.

>>382443413
>The whole fucking point is that the game assumes you've played the previous game and learned how to cheese it, and so deliberately puts in counter-mesures so that your standard tactics no longer automatically work and you have incentive to find more creative approaches.
>incentive to find more creative approaches.

Yea, man kiting back and poking 50 mobs one at a time sure got my synapses going.
Remember guys, playing the game as intended is """""""""cheesing""""""""""" it

>>382444528
>can be acquired 15 minutes into the game

None of the spells he mentioned can be, though.

>>382444518
Wait, can you soft lock the game then?

>>382444465
The 'first sin' is when Gwyn attempted to prolong the first flame and prevent the cycle from continuing.

>>382444628
No, old king doran is optional.

If they fixed the item weight problem and enemies not letting you get their stuff if they go spelunking is all it needs fixed.

>>382444419
You only get the spell when you invade her you fag stop being a fag like you know it all when you don't know shit about shit.

>>382444223
3 is the worst souls game though.

>>382442965
I've seen 2 so far, one after old iron king (which was 4th great soul for me) and 1 right before crypt
Not sure why some guy is getting butthurt over it, it gives you a little spook, but doesn't hurt and the bonfire appears as normal right after

>>382444465

>what was this First Sin anyways?

Buying DaS2

>>382444627
Samefag here, and yes they can.

I just told you how.

>>382444731
>you fag stop being a fag like you know it all when you don't know shit about shit.
what did he mean by this?

>>382444724
Is there anything harder in any Souls game than beating Doran without cheesing him?

>>382444826
ahaha you're such a witty rebel xDD

Goddamit DaS1 fags are so fucking insufferable.

>get the 4 great lord souls from the first game in DaS2
>because brand recognition

>>382444839

>end of Heide's Tower of Flame
>fifteen minutes

the five minutes of unskippable laughter is enough to prove you wrong.

>>382444337
>feel like a prequel
>you're literally at the end of the world to the point where you meet the last motherfucker to kill all the other motherfuckers
Yeah...i don't think you should trust your feelings ever again.

>>382444887
>You only get the spell when you invade her, you fag. Stop being a fag - acting like you know it all - when you don't know much about anything.

>>382444627
>heavenly thunder is in the blue sentinels shop in hides

Literally less than 15 minutes if your good at the game. even if you pirate theres a token in huntsmas copse, the very next area.

>>382445018

>huntsman's copse
>fifteen minutes

you're shit at this.

>>382444940
>keep them locked behind NG+ or bonfire ascetics
>something most players never even do
>for brand recognition

Really tinkles my pringles

>>382444921
Finding PvP/Co-Op in DaSII without the use of the statues or Agape Ring.

>DaS3 ignores DaS2
Where did this meme come from ? There are tons of references to DaS2 in DaS3.

There are way more DaS1 references because the world is based on DaS2. Everything that happened can be tracked back to Gwyn's actions.

DaS2 was just another kingdom, just like the thousands that existed.

>>382445170

>the fact that they're there at all breaks lore completely
>for people who play the game enough to appreciate it

what did they mean by this?

>>382445130
>i cant read
The SPELL is IN hiedes tower NPC shop for the BLUE covenant.

Honestly after all the shit I've heard about DS2 I was just planning to go straight to 3.
Making iframes a stat, what the fuck.

That said, I actually didn't even know DS3 existed until like a month ago, just bought it on the summer sale.
My excuse is that I've been hitting ffxiv hard.

>>382445251
It doesn't ignore it outright, more like mocks it and considers absolutely irrelevant.

>>382445289

>complete Heide's Tower of Flame
>fifteen minutes

i'm beginning to think you're a little deficient. Besides, expecting people to have this knowledge is retarded, unless they're using a guide or have played the game before.

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>>382445130
...When exactly do you consider the game as 'started' anon?

You keep counting the intro of the game, which you definitely can't do for DaS or everything becomes 40 minutes.

>>382445251
Offcouse it doesn't ignore. There's nothing to ignore because it adds nothing relevant.

>>382445426
>Making iframes a stat, what the fuck.
Don't forget, that stat also governs how long it takes to chug, and chugging in DaSII doesn't instaheal, it places a fucking HoT on you

>>382445515
>entire conversation is about high level spells
>but akshewally new players wouldnt be able to find those

YA DONT SAY.
Doesnt change that making a new character can access the spell extremely early.

Also I thought you were saying it took longer than 15 minutes, I was being generous since anyone whos played it once before can walk through that area in like 2 minutes tops killing all the enemies.

>>382445438
>mocks it
Not really, the only "mocking" is probably the story about how the ruin sentinels got BTFO at the ringed city.

>considers it irrelevant
DaS2 established that the world is based on cycles. I remember back in 2012 people would seriously argue about which ending was the good one.

Also, the focus of DaS2 is more on the player, while in DaS3 and DaS1 it's on the world. The player in DaS2 does everything to cure his curse, and in the end he achieves it. The players in DaS1 and DaS3 have no purpose of their own, they just do what the story tells them.

>>382445704

The conversation was about getting ganked by trash mobs. Keep up.

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:v

>>382445602
>chugging doesn't instaheal
>bad
How is this bad ? Just dodge better you retard.

I can't believe that people actually think instahealing in bad. Every day I'm more convinced that people just hate on DaS2 because it wasn't a copy of DaS1.

I played the entire game waiting for a point where it gets good.

That never happened. It's the one game I wish i'd never played.

>>382445759
>hurr
>>382443682
>>382443802
This shifted the conversation to spell locations.
Keep up.

Also
>muh ganksquads
Were already debunked here
Also maybe try reading the entire thread.
>>382442998
>>382443278

>>382436830
It never gets any better.

>>382446029

If I reference the post where I change the goalposts, it'll prove the conversation was ALWAYS about that!

No..you're quite wrong.

>debunked

No, you just shouted "works on my machine" and shitposted until people stopped arguing with you. There's a difference.

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3 years later and miyazaki fags STILL haven't debunked this pic.

Just post this and they scatter like rats, every fucking time.

>>382446029

>there are no gank squads
>but let me argue for half an hour about how to cheese them with magic

>>382445907
>How is this bad ? Just dodge better you retard.
Because DaSII hit boxes are all over the fucking place causing you to get hit by shit half a mile away and if you don't level Adaptability you're stuck in place for a lifetime every time you want to take a sip.

>>382446262
I'd love to see you make an excuse for the archers that spawn within aggro range of a bonfire that start murdering you the moment you respawn.

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>>382446262

>>382446454
They do very little damage actually.

>>382446262

>"I wonder if i'll need this skill for the upcoming boss?"
>"I guess not, as I have to fight the ruin sentinels in an open arena, or a narrow ledge, with no environmental advantage"

>>382446454
Why should I make an excuse about that ? It's so irrelevant it doesn't even matter. Why would you even spend more than 3 seconds there anyway ?

>If you kill enemies enough times they stop spawning
Fucking casuals.

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>>382446454
But Dark Souls had that too
>get to the bonfire in Duke's Archives
>sit down to rest
>interrupted by a motherfucking headshot from the archer up over the bookcases

>>382446501
That's dumb.
>>382446569
What if you die to Lost Sinner, decide to afk for a minute to grab a drink or whatever the fuck and get killed by them repeatedly? Now all your souls are gone. It may not be a big deal to you or most players in fact, the problem is that stupid oversight shouldn't be in the game at all.

>>382446631
The difference is if you die in the archives and respawn there, nothing aggros on you immediately, not as far as I remember.

>>382439873
>PvP fags
>>382439937
loved casul fags like this in the game

I couldn't kill 2cats.It will haunt me all my life.

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>>382446227
>No, you just shouted "works on my machine"
I posted a very specific and repeatable way to counter the gank in bastille.
Sorry you cant handle some of the easiest mobs.

Using magic in souls is dumb as hell anyways and the previous anon is retarded for suggesting it when perfectly viable methods exists thanks to level design.

But no keep pretending everyone on /v/ is one person to suit your needs.

Also THE BASTILLE SQUAD AND RUIN SENTINELS ARE OPTIONAL FUCK

Its the same as complaining about the gank squad in the TOTG

>>382446792
There are only 3 bosses in Souls I never managed to kill

2 cats
loran darkbeast
and the optional in the first DaS3 dlc (I didn't even bother to fight them)

Whoever says that AoA wasn't the worst Souls DLC is lying.

>>382445602
>instaheal
>good
Get the fuck out. People like you are the reason why DS3 was such a fucking cakewalk with easy mode options till the very end.

>>382446774
>The difference is if you die in the archives and respawn there, nothing aggros on you immediately, not as far as I remember.
It was pretty random, sometimes you just had to walk into the large room from the bonfire, others it wouldn't notice you. Still barely noticeable since you're most likely to walk off towards the ladder and the crystal garden/cave from there, but it can fuck you up if you leave the bonfire to deal with an invader, loot something... then return and just stand there

>>382446910
2kat is a lot easier solo if you can handle 2 bosses at once like every other game expects you to.

>>382446981
>DaS1 has instaheal estus
>DaS2 makes it a HoT and ties it to a stat
>DaS3 goes back to instaheal and gets rid of Adaptability and suddenly that's a bad thing
Okay pal.

>>382446910
>2 cats
Go solo, pop one of those x2 damage 1/2 taken bugs and rush the first cat, a good build should be able to kill it before the second one finishes the join battle animation. Then when the other one is badly wounded, just rush him down during his enrage animation so you don't have to deal with it

Could also wear them down more or less equally so you can kill them in quick succession but that's a lot riskier

>>382446910
2 cats is pretty much a dps check like 4 kings, you should kill 1 cat before the other drops in.

>>382443738
>>382443562

Sunken = Best Area
Ivory = Best Lore
Old Iron = Best Boss

This is the only souls game I could actually win PvP in. Mastodon halberd is love

>>382447302
Dont say that, clearly sunken has the worst level design ever. Why would you want shortcuts that naturally lead back to bonfires and simple puzzles like in sens fort. Its awful.

Why the FUCK did htey drop the light puzzling? Sens and sunken are my favorite areas for that shit.

>>382447203
>>382447115
>>382446997
tbqh I only faced the boss like 3 times, I just couldn't bear getting through the shit area time and time again and abandoned it.

Same with the optional boss in AoA. Saw like a million wolves, died once and never went there again.

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>>382445002
>le end of the world
>except theres still a ringed knight chilling to the left
>and crucifix bitch is still able to way of the white invade you
>and anor londo is still standing as well as dranglic castle
Untended Graves would be a better "end of the world" then "Artorius wanabe, the second one we put in this game"

It's an alright game with lots of flaws. I'd say keep going, you might end up enjoying it more if you do.

>>382447446
>I just couldn't bear getting through the shit area time and time again
You just run to the boss like any other game. Its about the same walk as BoC.

>AoA optional
>million wolves
There are 2 small worlf and a boss worlf.
3 worlfs

>>382447446
Can always do the trick of using the sun to orientate and run straight to it. If you summon the npc phantoms they can serve as decoy, then you just crystal them out before the boss

>>382447446
You can summon the npcs to make the walk a piece of cake and when you get to the fog wall you just despawn the surviving npcs, so the cats dont get more health, its not really hard.

>>382447571
Dont forget the hot spring to heal your phantoms and yourself halfway if you do get hit.

I dont get how people had trouble with the area. Getting the items is annoying but thats it.

I hated it because I didnt like the level design. Absolutely hated the gutter, there were 3 too many poison areas, and it lacked the flow of DaS1 world.

>>382447763
>hot spring to heal your phantoms
Wouldn't suggest activating this, you're giving invaders a place to hide and heal at

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I'm honestly convinced people who hate DaS2 either don't want to adapt to DaS2 because it's different or straight up are too retarded too. We get that DaS2 is different, that doesn't make it a bad game. This is /v/ though, so they're going to shitpost the game to death anyway.

>>382439791
>DaS2 is trash, in all respects
Stop being a hyperbolic cunt. It has major flaws and is probably the weakest souls game but it's far from complete trash. Hold DaS2 up to most contemporary AAA games the past seven years or so and it's still better than most.

>>382447565
>There are 2 small worlf and a boss worlf.
>3 worlfs
There's 3 samll and a bose
one at the beginning, and two when the start then half health brings the noise

>>382447856
>invader enter the frigid outskirts
>gets fukt repeatedly while I chill not even noticing them because they cant get near me

Seeds bro, you should have some by that point

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>>382440534
Not only that, it also makes no sense geographically.
You can see the castle from various other places but when you're atop of it none of the landmarks are visible and instead you are treated to a completely different environment that bears absolutely NO resemblance to the areas you traversed.
Where's Majula?
Where's Cardinal Tower?
Where's Heide?
Hell, where's the giant aqueduct you just passed?

Don't get me started on how none of the large characters would even get to the Throne of Want without crouching a couple of times since some doorways are way too small for them.
Compare that to Anor Londo where you got staircases, elevators and doors of different sizes for both, the lords and the normal humans.

I just ignore people that complain about ganks or whatever and then praise 3.

>>382447902
And just so we're fucking clear, i'm not saying DaS2 has no flaws, but it's nowhere near shit tier, more like it's hovering on the line of being better than DaS1 and being worse than it.

>>382448139
Geography is convoluted in Drangleic.

>Frigid Outskirts
Just hug the right wall and open your fucking ears, it's so easy to hear when one of those faggots is coming to tickle your pickle. There's nothing worth picking up out there anyway might as well just hightail it to 2cat

>>382448139
Yeah its too bad the game got destroyed in development.

The original design was so cool, its a shame.
The fact its all easily found online in cut content and interviews now makes it that much worse.

>>382436830
I really tried to play through this game and get used to its aesthetic, but it has something repulsive about it. I don't know if it's the graphics or the floaty animations or both, but everything has a really cheap feel about it, every weapon, every level, every character. I think the way some anons described it as a "cheap chinese knockoff" of dark souls fits perfectly, there's something that just puts me off that's not there in the other games.

>>382447528
Please don't take everything literally. It's not healthy.

>>382448139
This doesn't take away from the game fpr me desu. This shit is nice of course, but gameplay is still what matters to me most. They really could've put more effort in making the world make sense, though.
>>382448275
kek

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>>382448302
One really has to wonder what the original game would've been like since some of the changes are just unbelievable.

>>382448029
Dose the first one despawn?

I only had to fight 2 worlfs when I was retrying him bit ago.

>>382449079
Not that I know of, but it only takes one hit to kill it, two if you're using fists I guess so maybe you just didn't notice.

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>>382445810
This is more relevant.

>>382449184
huh odd.

Oh well I wasnt paying attention to the game at that point anyways. Its DLC just didnt jive with me

>>382436830
DaS2 is good. The worst entry in the series though. Kinda focused more on the "Prepare to die meme" than what made DeS/DaS good.

It's the best fashion souls though

>>382450078
>Kinda focused more on the "Prepare to die meme"

Okay I enjoy all of them and I just dont see what people mean by saying this. It has the same difficulty curve as all the others, if anything its easier because mace.

3 felt like it was pandering to that meme more than 2 personally. But htats probably because each sequel will always use what made it popular as advertising and difficulty is the only thing that makes this series any different than other action games. Well and the almost oldschool style of learning curve.

So why does everyone masturbate to the Shadows of Yharnam all the time?

>>382450379
Same reason AotA was soo good at first.

Its concise and does what it wants to really well. Except AotA is pretty mediocre of a DLC so SoY gets praised like crazy.

>>382450362
>Kinda focused more on the "Prepare to die meme"
You get a trophy the first time you die entitled "Welcome to Dark Souls."

>>382450460
I was talking about the boss. Artorias is still a really good boss, especially if your first fight with him is SL1 since he's even tougher and intense since there's only one weapon you can equip that can stagger him out of his buff.

>>382450362
I don't understand how you can't understand. Just the play the games and it becomes obvious. It's not a matter of how hard each of them is, but how they implement the challenges. It's worthless talking when all it needs is play them.

>>382450460
what the hell are you even talking about

>>382450716
Because they saw all the memes about how das1 is so hard, 3's advertising was just as bad as 2's but the game design felt more "its so hard" when its actually the easiest of the 3 where as 2 always felt like a slow gradual increase or way too easy which is how 1 felt.

The definitive version of the game is called Dark Souls: Prepare To Die Edition after all.
Even though the real prepare to die is the un-patched version.

>>382450756
I did and only optional PvP focused areas or specifically co-op areas felt hard because I slolo everything. The erst of the game was the same difficulty as das1 only insane easy thanks to the new features. I had to play on the champions covenant to enjoy the game
muh gank squads were in every game and 2 has the easiest ones to deal with so dont even bother

>>382436830
Game is okay, but never wanted to replay it after completing it. And neither did I want to replay 3, even though I liked it considerably more.

>>382450831
AotA is a fantastic DLC that ties the story of DaS1 up nicely. SoY does that as well only even better.

Problem is that AotA is pretty meh for a DLC but it was their first one.

>>382439395
Are you retarded? Did you even make it past the first 10 minutes?

>>382451259
Anon what. Shadows of Yharnam is a boss. The BB dlc is The Old Hunters.

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>>382451294
oh man you got me. just to make me really feel like an idiot you should have posted a picture of the Dark Souls 2 tutorial boss.

By the way, what was his name again?

>>382451394
>>382451394
Fuck I'm retarded.

I only played BB once and never touched it till the DLC and didnt even make a new character for it so I kinda forgot half the game.

But now I actually kind of want to replay it and pay more attention to everything so shit. Maybe this was a good thing. If its as immaculate as das1 is and I was too busy trying to beat it than i made a mistake

>>382451590

Expectations.

>>382451590
>he didnt fight and kill the npcs in majula right away
It was a pretty meh boss but then I knew to lower expectations.

>>382444465
gwyn branding humanity with the darksign

>>382451394
But now that I remember the boss I would say the theme and atmosphere are bretty gud but personally I think the skeleton lords in das2 were a better implementation of the triple threat, just had tiny HP since it can be your second boss.

>>382440171
Drangleic wasn't real

>>382452131
It was. You go back in time to when it was still up.

>>382442184
50 faith/int. chime of want in left hand. sunset staff in right. cast promised walk of peace, then spam dark fog till they die from the poison.