WoW Legion

>WoW:Diablo edition is the best

Nah nigga.

>>382427496
>Implying any of the previous expansions or vanilla come close to licking Legions boots upon its golden throne

Faggot

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World Quests sucks

Artifact Power sucks

reminder that they are going to add rifts and more rng loot for next patch

>Chase the dragon simulator kicks the chase up to 11 with AP grind, legendaries, and titanforged gear
>Absolute best

Yeah no

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>>382428093
MoP and Legion are head and shoulders above all other eras of wow, anyone that says otherwise is delusional and blinded by nostalgia

>>382427638
Why do World Quests suck? They are miles ahead of dailies and actually get people out in the world.

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>>382427309
>huehues STILL not corralled and tier to their own realms

>>382427638
class design sucks
pvp is horrendous
pve is literally grinding ap forever

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Hey guys I'm just asking because I'm having a tough time with this quest "Lost in battle". The quest wants me to find this guy named Mankarps wife. Do you guys know anything about that?

>>382428238

MOP was terrible. Legion is better, hell even warlords was betterthan mop

>>382429067
MoP had a really good atmosphere though

>>382429067
yeah nah you can stop bumping your own thread now

>>382427496
You're making it sound good. Guess I'll get it.

>>382429034
I think it has something to do with that guy "Leech king"

>>382429228
>I'm retarded
we get it

>>382428238
Didn't play legion, cause mop made me quit wow, so I can't say anything about WoD or Legion, but WotLK was the pinnacle of that gsme, then they made a HUGE casualization of the game instantaneous with cata, then they made it boring with MoP. Heard legion is ok though, might come back into it

>>382427309
>The absolute best the game has ever been.
I know anyone still playing WoW after it became a shell of its former self has to be a delusional faggot, but Jesus Christ.

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whats the point of these threads?

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>tfw finally quitting Legion
Mythic raiding sure makes you apathetic to the rest of the game and even the raiding itself

>>382429423
>complains about casualization
>wants to play legion
lmao

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>>382429593
I don't even understand how people can play mythic. I usually just beat the bosses on normal/heroic and consider the game done. Mythic is serious fucking dedication that I can't be bothered with when I've got so much other vidya to play.

>>382429565
Blizzard interns make them

>>382429423
the casualization started in wrath you fucking tard

>braindead dungeons
>easy mode for raids
>welfare epic out the ass
>LFD
>heirlooms

Wrath was the turning point that killed the game

Are demo warlocks still cancer? Needing a stupidly complex rotation and their DPS going to complete shit if you aren't completely optimised or have to move.

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>ctrl+f
>only one mention of vanilla
>even that is mocking vanilla
Have people finally taken off their nostalgia goggles

Imagine there are people who still think MoP was bad. Fuck off with your "Muh pandas" argument, MoP had a lot of content for what it had to work with.

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>>382429696
absolutely this
with titanforging and mythic+ on the table, there is literally no reason to go through with the tremendous amount of effort, patience and time required to do mythic raiding unless you're striving for those 5 minutes of fame for getting a world first on a new tier's last boss

I quit recently after finishing NH, the thought alone of doing any more world quests or mythic+ makes me feel ill

>>382429895
Yes and now Aff and Destro best their damage

>>382429067
lmao get a load of this guy

>>382429565
>>382429717
imagine going on a videogames board to discuss videogames
WOW
O
W

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>>382429696
Mythic Nighthold was 50% hating yourself, 25% starting to hate your guild and 25% starting to hate the game.

I don't know how I managed to stay playing for all of it.

I will say that normal and heroic Nighthold was perfect in terms of difficulty, that was actually fun to clear weekly while mythic was just a chore of unfun.

>>382428523
>Why do World Quests suck?

They're not fun, they're so repetitive that sometimes you're running the same quest 2 or 3 times in the same 24 hour period, and worst of all they're almost never worth the reward unless you're gearing an under-geared alt or something

Why put so much hard focus on something that isn't worth the player's time?

>>382430093
Mythic difficulty was fine after 7.2

Normal and Heroic were mindnumbingly easy such that guilds literally fought Spellblade in Star Augers room

>>382430179
theyre still worlds above daylies
daylies was literally doing the same thing everyday now you have atleast some choices what to do
also gets people out in the world again

>>382430179
I don't know what "hard focus" is on world quests, they were there if you wanted but you only ever needed to do the few to unlock your 3rd relic slot

>overly simplified gameplay
>artifact weapons
>small relevant world (although the areas are cool)
>horrible PvP
>fucking Dalaran I hate that shit for whatever reason
>somewhat OK raids with pretty good lore bosses, but still the gameplay makes the game unplayable for me

It literally feels like I'm playing a quarter of my MoP hpriest
It's so fucking bad I can't even. I'm playing my favorite expansion Mists of Pandaria on a 400 player average pserver which, although complete garbage and dedgame, is 10x more fun than Legion

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>>382430212
>every non-shitposting thread is shilling

>>382430428
>hpriest
>MoP
? I don't understand this meme

>>382430362

Your daily activity is these world quests

Not PvP, not dungeons, not raids

instead of logging in to do the fun, meatier portion of the game, they want you to log in every day and collect 6 bear livers for a measly 300 order hall resources

>>382430313
>the world
Cross realm killed any sense of a world. Everyone you see is a stranger passing by.

>>382430508
>LEGION IS DA BEST!!!! EVERYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE IS BLINDED BY NOSTALGIA!
>not shitposting
if you're going to shill your expansion make it less obvious. retard.

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>>382429939

More like the people who are actively posting on /v/ were maybe 5 when vanilla was out so they cant remember it even if they did play it.

Vanilla was good, but TBC and Wotlk did it better. Legion's rng on loot makes me want to kill myself honestly. I dont know who wants that shit besides blizzard because it keeps you playing longer, theres absolutely no need for it.

AP Grind is fucking garbage, having to spend months 'leveling up' your weapon is absolutely stupid and yes it took months because to level it faster is literally time gated.

World quests are a shittier version of dailies yet retards like >>382428523 praise it. It doesnt get people out in the world anymore than old dailies did back in TBC, theyre just spread out so it takes you longer to do them thats literally it. You spend more time doing 12 WQ now than you did doing 25 dailies back in TBC because all the WQ are spread out super far, you could spend basically your entire playtime doing nothing but WQs before they introduced flying as well and flying was time gated for absolutely no god damn reason.

Wow is fun for maybe about a month or 2 then you just ask yourself why youre even playing anymore. Only reason I even have an active account is because i pay that shit with gold, spend maybe an hour maximum a day making money on the AH and then buying tokens to turn into blizzbux to buy games/loot boxes but i dont even think thats worth it since new blizzard games are fucking garbage, at least I know this starcraft remaster will be worth it.

>>382430661
who are you quoting?

>>382430428
>fucking dalaran, I hate that shit

opinion discarded

No, for real I feel you, the game just will never be what it once was. Unless you have some close friends to play it with, it's really a waste of time.

Is Legion actually any good?

>>382430668

This desu. At least I made enough blizzbux to buy Destiny 2 when it comes out.

>>382430705
right. so can you adopt a trip so I can filter your dumb ass?

My entire guild just logs for raids now. We arent autistic enough to want to farm for more than baseline concordence and the rest is boring af, same wqs with no reward for so geared characters and mythic+ makes me want to uninstall by this point. No worthwhile content desu.
I am a bit excited for argus tho, nice new caster anims and sum nice mogs and quests.
BT timewalking this month aswell, we'll remove a normal tomb run from the calendar for BT. Hope its not too easy and we effectively wasted the guilds time for nothing.(any1 tryed that shit out on the ptr? Is it ez? Like if it is then fuck it we're doing tomb and we'll just 10man it sometime during the week)

>>382430625
You're actually just retarded

You can log in and do mythic+ if you want. I haven't done world quests in weeks on my main

>>382429989
MoP had amazing raids with crazy ass boss battles, comfy areas, timeless isle and isle of thunder which were full of world PvP and somewhat fun PvE, mostly because it felt extremely alive.
Each class was so fun to play and had so much depth and soo many abilities.
Shrine of the seven stars / two moons was very comfy, had awesome music, not to mention the choral singing outside SoO.
Reforging was a great feature and really fed my stat min-maxing autism with quality content. The legendary cloaks were awesome too.
It was the best expansion for me and I've been playing since WotlK.
Sure, pandas were autistic but who cares about that.

>>382430613

??
hpriest was really fun in MoP and had a lot of depth. Same with disco. But in Legion disco is so ruined that I didn't even mention it

>>382430795

For a couple months and then you realize the game expects you to log in every day to do the same boring chores

>>382430795
No, they somehow made it worse than WoD.

>Artifact weapons
>Class halls aren't phased
>More facebook game resource management
>Flying basically removed from the game
I couldn't even make it through the first questing zone. Dropped the expansion at level 102.

>>382430857
>comfy comfy disc in MoP had depth

Kill yourself f@m

>>382430819
>no argument so i'll just run away from it
how about you just stay go?

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>>382427309
>Stats don't matter anymore in PvP
>Can't use trinkets in PvP
>Uber Heals are still prevalent in PvP

>>382431043

>stats dont matter
>But somehow ilvl still does so if youre fresh youll get absolutely blown up anyway
>monks for months literally ran the bg streets in all specs

Whoever decided to give that class that much mobility regardless of spec should be fucking shot.

>>382430847

Yeah, "waiting until the next week to see if RNG Mythic+ cache gave me anything worth a fuck" is something I can do every day when I log in.

You're actually just retarded

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>>382430795
Imagine if the legendary ring or cloak weren't part of a questline, but instead had an absurdly miniscule chance to drop off of any inane task the game threw at you. Imagine if instead of a slight dps increase, those legendaries made your class playable. Now imagine that amongst those legendaries, there were 14 other shit ones you could get that would make everyone around you laugh at you or pity you and also make it harder to get the actual legendary you wanted. That's legion, and that's only one of the problems with it. Don't even get me started on AP, titanforging, and pretty much everything else.

Game fucking sucks.

>the game isnt even an MMO anymore
get lost scum

>>382431043
man i had high hopes for pvp in legion
how the fuck can it not be balanced they could do hotfixxes everyday just changing a few stats around
the boring class design and all the pruning didnt help either

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>>382428523
Nigger they ARE dailies

>>382431014
>greentexting is used for exact quotes
someone needs to go and it's not me.
>pretending these posts weren't OP
>>382427567
>>382428238
keep trying to shilling your shit expansion, faggot.

>>382431201
You are aware that you do infact get gear at the end of a mythic+ dungeon, right?

Worst case scenario you're in mythic tomb gear and don't need the upgrades, which puts you in the same place as literally every other expansion, otherwise you can still get gear from mythic+

It's not a weekly thing you drooling retard, no matter how you try to spin it

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>>382430668
This nigger gets it.

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>>382430924
>Pandaria
>not the comfiest continent


>disc didn't have depth in MoP
Just look at those abilities on my bar
>reliable heals
>spirit shell
>PoM on disc
>binding heal
>PoH
>attonement
>several fears
>more difficult mana management with cooldowns, trinkets and inner stances

Compare this to Legion's disco priest

>>382431238
>ring
>miniscule dos increase

Rofl

Titanforging is gay but AP is literally not a problem.

>>382431325
This, calling them something else doesnt change that

>>382431446
>You are aware that you do infact get gear at the end of a mythic+ dungeon, right?

shitty gear

That's why everybody just runs a 15 for the week and doesn't bother to do any more dungeon runs after that

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>>382427309
>stormblood comes out last week
>nonstop barrage of "HAHA WOW REMEMBER LEGION? SO GUD!"

>>382430668
>starcraft remaster
enjoy your classic games destroyed by cosmetics microtransaction

>>382431495
>PoS, Penance on CD, PoM on CD throw divine star
>depth

Current disc is a far more complex spec than MoP disc ever was

>>382431541

>Final Faggotry fags still salty they're still second best

gtfo

>>382427309
class fantasy

>>382431497
>Titanforging is gay but AP is literally not a problem.

You're telling me if someone came back to the game right now without the weeks and weeks of AK banked, they'd be on the same level as some nigger that's played since 7.1.5 dropped? Don't make me laugh. It's the same problem as the legendary ring, there's literally no way to catch up even if you grind like a cunt because of the retarded numbers Blizzard has shat out.

>>382431293
This.
That and the fact that with extremely easy stat tuning they could make whole playstyles of specs viable just makes me think they actively dont want to balance shit.
For example playing a non-PoM holy priest or a non-lone wolf MM hunter.
Literally a few stat tweaks and half of the players could play how they like without gimping their raid. Literally why are they ignoring that for the whole xpac? And it doesnt help that this is the most unbalanced wow has been since vanilla in terms of classes so its very obvious to everybody. In tomb I have a trinket literally for the PoM FotM playstyle. Why are they just reinforcing existing fotm and not buffing the underdog spells? Its intentional.

>>382428689
We have our realms since 2013 I think. Goldrinn, azralon, nemesis and gallywix.

>>382431657

Fuck this meme

"class fantasy" is a meaningless concept that gets touted as some kind of epic feature but it's not even actually a thing

>>382431651
Act professional, Blizz intern.

>>382431651
>blizzard intern snaps
wow doesn't even sharemember subscription numbers, so how do you know FF didn't surpass it already?

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>>382427309
>Artifact weapons introducing another annoying fucking grind
>Class halls are a nuisance more than anything else
>A random legendary item can drop, completely altering your gameplay and performance to ridiculous levels
>Everything is timegated
>More useless fucking rep grinds in which you can't just wear a tabard and call it a day
>More abilities removed which really fucked with a lot of class design and gameplay flow
>Titanforging still exists, so you're encouraged to just fucking grind forever, you'll never truly have a BiS because there's a chance you can get a super duper delicious 2.0 version of the same fucking piece of gear
>Reforging was removed right when hit/expertise were removed, instead of never having to worry about those two shit stats ever again and having fun reforging the stats you prefer, now we're forced to be stuck with awful fucking stats like VERSATILITY, THE STAT THAT ISN'T INTERESTING IN THE SLIGHTEST
>Existence of the artifact system completely wastes time for the player because switching a spec isn't simple anymore, you have to grind out all the abilities to make the spec truly useful
>Having alts will make a person want to kill themselves because nothing carries over, you have to do all this over and over again on every single character, getting up to speed on another max level character is a massive pain in the ass now

You can suck my fucking dick. And MoP and WoD can suck my dick too for introducing a legendary that everyone can have, as much as I enjoyed MoP, I'll never forgive it for starting that dumb bullshit.

Like another anon said, game fucking sucks. It was already a chore simulator, it didn't need to dial it up to fucking 11.

I MUST GET RANK 50 CONCORDANCE ON ALL OF MY WEAPONS EVEN THOUGH I'LL NEVER CLEAR A MYTHIC RAID WHILE IT'S RELEVANT!

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>>382431736
>>382431761

They got two of you in here?

>>382431727
>it's not even actually a thing
>each class has its own order hall
>own artifacts
>class storylines through the whole expansion
>it's not even actually a thing

>>382431761
Just because they don't release the numbers doesn't mean it still isn't doing really well, we have internal data.

>>382431681
You can get to AK 26 instantly then research is done every 4 hours. All you need to do is hit 52 on your artifact anyway.

Getting caught up on AP is a fraction of the time it took to get caught up on gear in the past. You can always catchup if you actually farm your balls off but there isnt even an actual reason to.

>>382431178
>all specs
we playing the same game?

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Have they fixed warriors yet or is it still in shit-tier of tank-ranks?

>>382427309
>every class plays the exact same and has the same abilities/capabilities
nah

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>>382431864
>we have internal data.
>we

>>382427309
If I wanted to play Diablo 3, I'd play Diablo 3 and I don't want to play Diablo 3.
In what world does a dev look at a dead game and think that copying what it does to another game will make it thrive? In the world of blizzdrones, obviously. They know they got you by the balls and can forcefeed you anything.

>>382431857

I've leveled 4 classes through their whole campaign now and not a single one of them had some memorable quest line. It was mostly "complete these order hall missions" and "go collect the macguffin from vault of the wardens" type shit.

I wouldn't hype it so much anon, it's not impressive at all

>>382430668
Main point being
>you just ask yourself why youre even playing, new blizzard games are fucking garbage
Yes HoTS new economy system is good but why play it when you know it's going to be a shitty experience?

>>382431962
A little better, but still kind of trash. You're wasting you're time if you're not playing fury warrior anyways, seeing as how they're the most fun warrior spec.

>>382428523
>Reskinned daily quests
>better then daily quests
No.

The reason why daily quests fucking suck is that they're time gated, repetitive as fuck, and boring as shit, and the ammount of time they sink into creating these terrible skinnerbox mechanics, along side recycled dungeon/raid content could be spent actually making real content, like more questlines, dungeons, and raids.

Its pathetic that 'the largest patch ever' was a series of 5 minute long quests peiced out over the course of 3 fucking months.

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>>382432164
What changed?
Is Ignore Pain still locked on GCD?

>>382430885
>there are people who really believe this
lol

>>382432214
Pumping out 200 daily quests is faster than making a new raid, specially as long as they have LFR making sure its cleared in absolutely no fucking time.

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>>382432259
Post youre're femtauren

>>382432352
>Pumping out 200 daily quests is faster than making a new raid

who cares

nobody wants to do world quests. Nobody wants them. I didn't sub up for Legion because I wanted to spend every day doing WQ. The fun parts of the game are PvP, dungeons, and raids. Everything else is chores, and if you're gonna expect players to do boring grindy bullshit you could at least make the rewards worthwhile instead of a fucking joke

>>382431238
Everyone gets one legendaries were worse.

"Don't have cloak/ring, no raid for you" and it took months to get the fucking things

>>382431618
I'm convinced you have no idea what you're talking about and only played disc priest in MoP without knowing how to actually play it.
Disc priest in MoP was about preventing damage first and foremost and much less about spot healing and attonement healing. You had to combine those all to provide great support to your raid.
Legion disc priest is literally putting attonement on people and dpsing with absolutely minimal damage prevention with absorb and putting attonement up on people before damage spikes.

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>>382432440
Can't.
I accidently reformate'd my SSD containing my WoW folder, sad times.

>>382432739
How do you accidentally reformat an SSD?

>>382432352
Okay, then you're still left with the same problem

>Oh boy, after 5 hours of play time I am at level cap
>Oh joy, I get to do these daily quests

>Oh no, I am out of daily quests, what can I do now

>Oh, just wait

>Oh hey new quests, oh, they're the fucking same shit I did yesterday, why the fuck am I paying $15 a month to do these menial chores

The game is using a cancerous F2P system, charging people to fucking play this halfassed garbage, and then they're wondering why people are quitting.

And don't get me started on the raid scene

>Oh hey, you can get viable loot from non-raid content like mythic+
>Why did I even bother with nightmare/nighthold when these welfare items give me 850+ gear, and the vendored ones are 880+
>Why the fuck should I spend 10-40 hours a week wiping on bosses for loot thats going to be obsolete in 3 months? To see the content? Thats what that gay shit LFR is for.

And then the PVP system
>Oh look, more COD perks and priestige ranks, -joy-

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>>382432440
giv milkies

WotLK hit just the right balance

>>382432779
When you're reformatting your main SSD and you got 2 that are the same size and you rush shit and accidently choose the wrong one because you only looked at the size-difference.

>>382432980
I'd say WOTLK is when hyperinflation of gear started to get out of hand.

Its also when unrealistic expectations of gearscore became a thing
>Oh you want to come to the first tier of the expansion? Better have a gearscore from fucking ICC, and the achievement

Also AOE tanking became a main stay mechanic, ruining dungeons forever.

The burning crusade was the best time to be playing WoW hands down. Johnny come lately kids just can't accept they didn't play during the golden age.

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i miss wod when all my friends still played

>>382433049
>EN launch day
>MUST HAVE AOTC XAVIUS

>>382433185
I played from vanilla to legion, though my favourite times was cata and mop as I played with my irl friends I've known since I was 11 or 12.

I'm 22 now and still very close with them all.

>>382433049
Well to be fair, they did try to remedy it with cataclysm.
It lasted a whole of 2 weeks before they nerfed everything and made it a babby-walkthrough. But in those 2 weeks I felt alive. ;_;

Imagine having such tremendous shit taste you think WoW is worth playing in 2017

>>382433335
How fucking young were you during Vanilla? 6 or 7?

>>382433175

It wasn't better, it was just different. It had nice things that made it fun, but it also had it's share of frustrating bullshit. So essentially it's just as enjoyable as it ever was.

Removing the "Hybrid Tax" and class uniqueness killed WoW

Even with Hybrid Tax you'd still take in at least one of them for the buffs/utility

Now druids can perform 4 different specs/roles just as well, if not better than classes that were meant to be the primary filler of that slot

Any class being able to tank better than a warrior is retarded
Any class being able to heal better than a priest is retarded

Also why the fuck are Demon Hunters leather wearers? It's not like leather gear wasn't already extremely in demand or anything

>>382433392

Tell us what game you play, and I will tell you why it's shit

You won't, because you're a pussy who can't handle confrontation

>>382433342
Early Cataclysm was some of the most fun I've ever had in WoW, which is why it's my personal favourite expansion. I stopped playing before they had a chance to ruin things, I think, so that's why I remember it so fondly.

>>382433049
If anything, I fucking miss gearscore

Gearscore took into account more than just item level, it would adjust based on gems, enchants, spec, reforging, PvP, etc.

Nowadays the system just goes "k your item level is high, go on in" even if your item stats are all your shittest stat with no enchants

>>382433452
I started vanilla when I was 11 or 12 I think. I started a few months before BC came out.

>>382433342
The problem with the remedy is the remedy was poisoned by the fact that they introduced AOE tanking AND queuable dungeons.

People would much rather kick a player and roll the dice and hope someone who's done it a hundred times already comes in, or just outgears the place.

I remember during those weeks, tanks would hold groups hostage and tell them to kick people who had kind of shitty gear, despite the fact that you're supposed to do dungeons to get better gear in the first place, because they'd rather speed clear for badges, and people would, or the tank would just leave, requeue and get instant pops while DPS and heals had 20-60 minute long waits

Wrath loaded the gun, cata pulled the trigger, killing dungeon content, its why MOP and WOD, and legion dungeons are absolute trash.

>classes still homogenized garbage
>items still boring as hell, with overly tuned stats
>World Quests just daily renamed
>world still as dead as ever

>"""""best""""" expansion

>>382433601
I'm preeeetty sure gearscore accounted for exactly none of that. As far as I can remember, gearscore not accounting for things like enchants was one of the main complaints about the thing.

Remember when people played MMORPGs for the social aspect and it was what made the genre good?

WotLK was the beginning of the end by introducing dungeon finder.
Was it convenient? Sure. Was it good for the game? No.

>>382433648
>world still as dead as ever
I've never been out in the world at max level as much as in Legion. Not even in vanilla.

>>382433601
when i played wotlk it did none of that
you would have dps with pure stamina trinkets just for itemlvl

>>382433685
By the time of ICC it did.

>>382433049

AoE tanking had to become the mainstay mechanic because majority of the playerbase is fucking garbage. Its funny because every single ability that a tank does causes insane amounts of aggro when you compare it to TBC or vanilla.

I dont have an issue with aoe tanking though, dungeons are suppost to be the bottom/entry tier shit you do, so running them fast and getting them over with is a non-issue for me

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>>382433648
>>world still as dead as ever

fuck this meme

"Oh, there's not currently 97 billion guys hanging out in Stormwind, this game is a bad game"

fucking jackass. YOU don't see people because you're sitting in some hub doing fuck all. The real players are off in raids or battlegrounds, playing the game, instead of ERP'ing with furries

>>382433723
One of the reasons why I am going to try the everquest spiritual successor when it comes out.

No private instances, no maps, no quest trackers, most entities in the world require groups to kill, and they have hidden stats to boot, meaning you have to use the classic /consider mechanic to see if you'll get your shit slapped.

>>382433640
>I remember during those weeks, tanks would hold groups hostage and tell them to kick people who had kind of shitty gear
And that wasn't the case in TBC?
20-60min was just about how long it took to form a group back then anyways.
>not it didn't
I could say the same with your claim since I was the tank everytime.

>>382432164
rend build arms is incredibly fun if and only if you've got t20 4p and legendary helm

>>382433829
>raids and battlegrounds
>world
rly makes me think...

>>382433757

>Get forced to go to x spot on the map to do my 4 dailies
>'World is alive because I see people running/flying to that spot along with me before immediately returning back to dalaran'

wow

>>382433941
Give me your definition of a world that isn't dead.

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>>382427309

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>382433910
Yes yes, now go afk in the city-hub so you don't add to the problem :^)

>>382433792
Dungeons are supposed to be a learning place, I agree.

But making them faceroll just sets up the rest of the end game to also be faceroll.

Which is why raiding is garbage these days

Don't die to arbitrary mechanics that a braindead monkey could avoid if they follow their massive popup addons, apply enough DPS to out race the boss.

>>382433601
>gearscore faggot complaining about ilvl
>pot and kettle

>>382433498
hybrids worked just fine too. In BC, all specs were viable and still had uniqueness. I blame Ghostcrawler and his most famous meme for the homeginization

>bring the player, not the class!!

>>382432043
>Can force feed you anything
Stormrage lost 17 of the classic vanilla guilds just cuz how fucking bad legion was not even gonna talk about small time guilds. First time in my entire life I saw Stormrage go to Medium this expansion is the epitome of shit

>>382434020
Funny how they turned that around in legion by doing the classic blizzard nerf/buff scheme.
Is there ever a reason not to bring druids as all your maintanks currently?

>>382433648
>>World Quests just daily renamed

they're similar and serve some of the same purpose but not the same, world quests are superior, more like evolved daily quests

of course at this point it doesn't matter because everyone is fucking sick of them already but I'd rather have them than something like the Firelands mega grind dailies

>>382434018
Oh don't get me wrong, it was fucking trash that helped ruin the game, but it was better than what we have now

I feel bad for the guy who made it, surely he was thinking "oh this will help people out" and instead he helped kill the game he loved enough to make an addon for

Legit question, why play this over XIV or really any other MMO?

>>382433993

I dont know. Mechanically arent the newer bosses way ahead of old bosses? Spellblade and that bitch with the rings right before guldan are really fun bosses to me. I havent done tomb because I honestly dont care anymore, but newer bosses feel more 'difficult' than old ones by a bit.

>>382434097
druids aren't as 100% necessary as they were last patch because Blizz removed their literally busted strong magic mitigation

Hey guys, do you want an official Legacy/Vanilla server?

YOU
THINK
YOU
DO
BUT
YOU
DON'T

>>382434174
because other mmos are worse
if you want to play an mmo its wow or nothing

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>>382427309
Legion is a small Fel Green Palace with a PvP garage that was struck by a tornado and a foundation made of human excrement.

It's mediocre, one can't properly appreciate the house because the foundation is shit and makes the rest of the house suffer from various problems by being omnipresent.

Loot is RNG to drop, which is fine, but also RNG to socket, then RNG to ilvl upgrade, and even more RNG to have a large ilvl upgrade. So if you want the best gear you need RNG socket and RNG massive ilvl. Like winning the fucking lottery.

Legendaries are 100% RNG. They are large ilvl increases and often having BiS Legendaries can make weak specs like Subtely suddenly top the charts from the added functions the item gives.

Everything about the AK / AP system is terrible, and finding high RNG ilvl relics with weapon "talents" you desire is the equivalent to finding 3 fucking epic weapons from Vanilla, per spec no less so you need 3-9 depending.

It's shit but it COULD have been good.

>>382434235
Spellblade was not a hard boss outside of mythic frost phase

Elisande was not a hard boss period.

>>382433868
No, it wasn't the case in TBC.

Tanks would call pulls, mark targets, discribe the pull simply ("sheep moon, banish X, gank skull") ect, if the boss had a challenging mechanic, or different characters needed to be put on certain tasks, like mages/warlocks on add management in black morass, then you'd plan that shit out.

If someone didn't know what they were doing, they usually let you know before hand, and every time people were willing to teach and learn.

With queues you just kicked everyone, or left after a wipe, WOTLK set the standard, 20 minute long dungeon blitz, 60 minute long queues, cata heroics being hard again ment you couldn't blitz them unless you were doing a premade your you had the luck of the draw (Which is why they added in the bonus buff) when you queued.

Cata dungeons weren't really nerfed because they were hard, they were easier then TBC heroics, they were nerfed because queued PUGs were a cancerous system.

>>382434156
whoever made it wasn't trying to help people

He literally made an addon to judge people at a glance and assign them a number.

My favorite thing was all the people who would demand ilvl minimum of the raid/ dungeon (before lfg) to be the same as the items that dropped.

>>382434097
Druids,after a decade of whining, have become the best class in the game. There is no reason to play another class. They heal as well as a priest, tank as well as a warriors, can nuke like a mage, and get to melee dps like a Rogue.

But hey, its still not fair to druids because they don't this random arbitrary skill one of those other classes have!!!

I sure wish having alts wasn't punished.

>>382434315
>mythic frost phase
>hard

yeah getting pushed into a wall and blowing all your aoe cd's sure was hard

>>382434421
Its not just play better

catchup is as fast as its ever been

>>382427309
Best leveling.
Worst endgame.

>>382434235
They're mechanically more robust, but once you see past the mechanics its all the same, stand here, debuff this, move there, apply maximum DPS before they enrage.

WOW bosses have never evolved past this, however they've over time removed the need for CC, threat management, kiting, and other things, and simply dumbed those things down, instead of CC you'd use a raid debuff to slow/stun an add, instead of threat management tanks just automatically generate maximum aggro, instead of kiting, bosses and adds just fixate.

>>382434174

WoW still does it the best which is sad. Also since its so old and still going relatively strong for being an old game, people are familiar with it.

Shit games become magically not shit when played with friends, this is extremely true for WoW.

Dont get me wrong one bit. XIV is a really good, well made, MMO. Its definitely the 'best' but it lacks certain things. For one the world feels very linear and restrictive, zoning to each place doesnt help it one bit and ruins how big the world actually is since its all zoned off behind a load screen. The dungeons are cool, but hardly memorable which is sad. XIV has some of the best boss fights ive done though with appropriately good music. Also its hard to describe without you knowing what im talking about but XIV doesnt feel as 'fluid' gameplay wise as WoW.

>>382434421
at this point you can catch up easier than ever, gearing alts is a joke easy now

>>382434320
>source: my ass
All of those things could apply to Cataclysm. In fact, my experience with Cata is not much different from yours in TBC.
It's almost as if you won't notice the flaws unless you're outside in the cold.

>>382434519
Source: I fucking played.

Yes we had different experiences, I played a DPS, you may have been a cool tank, but pre-nerf cata heroic queues were cancer, which is why everyone did premades anyway, or avoided them at all costs.

If they queues weren't so cancerous, if a single wipe didn't end the dungeon, blizzard wouldn't have nerfed them in the first place.

>>382434485
And what would you have them do instead?
What could you possibly make for an encounter that wouldn't fall inside your own definitions of a boring encounter?

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>>382434495
It's all about the movement. WoW does movement best. It feels natural and smooth compared to the clunkiness of other MMOs. I remember people talking about TERA having a good combat system, but it doesn't mean shit when simply walking around feels like ass.

>>382434641
I played too, both in TBC and Cata - and Cata was far superior to that timegated shit and elitist behaviour it created.

>>382434641
LFD was a huge problem yes, but if shitter soccermom wrathbabies were getting kicked from dungeon groups too often there still would have been a ton of crying and nerfs

>>382434471
>I didn't play WoD, or have just decided to erase it from my mind
Not saying Legion is necessarily great, but when compared to WoD it becomes a fuckload better.

>>382434421
the game has never been friendlier toards alts.

Fags like you are the reason shit like the TBC attunements got removed.

>but muh grind
Only the reps required any sort of grind once they made the vial drop for every player in a raid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVyKC_okPW8

>>382434270
he's not wrong

>>382434471
name an MMO that has a better endgdame

>>382434421

They used to be prior to the AK catchup system being implimented a while ago. You can get to 905? For sure 890 ilvl without breaking a sweat. Point is you can get to 110, get carried through a m+ by your friends first week so you get that free high ilvl item, then carry your weight the weeks after if you put the time in.

Not the best system by far, make no mistake, but you can play alts pretty easy now.

>>382434705
"it" being TBC.

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>>382427309

A lot of things. Having an absolute blast this expac. So much better than MoP, Cata, and WoD combined.

Can't wait for next expac. I'm hoping South Seas with focus on Troll, Naga, Old Gods, Hakkar, Pirates, Goblins etc. Also Naval combat and ship building.

>>382434645
For one, give players more roles then "Do DPS."

Mage tanking in BC, kiting as a hunter, blizzard to slow adds so the heals don't get instagibbed.

The only class that really does anything in dungeons now are tanks

>>382434721
Only played vanilla, BC and Legion.
My opinion still stands.

>>382434705
>TBC
>Timegated

>>382434720
But thats what happened anon.

How's tanking?

>>382434705
>BC
>time gating

>the expansion that dropped the next raid tier before the previous one even had a world first

really activates my almonds

>>382434751
Any MMO that is not focused on PVE (because at this point PVP in WoW is a literal fun-sized minigame).
Any MMO with a PVE focus that doesn't have such a retarded gearing system.

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>>382427309
Nothing

>>382434916
ok, name one

>>382427309
shill

>>382434864
>>382434908
Call it what you want.
>you gotta farm reputation to just get to heroic difficulty
Great system blizzard.

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what did he mean by this

>>382434926
>20fucking17
>still believing in """""""gaming journalism"""""""
dumb special ed dropout

>>382434968
>getting honored with a rep to buy a key
>no cooldown or lockout for this grind that take, maybe a week of work if you're as lazy as possible.
top kek

>>382429034
Dead by the huts to the south, named beaten body or something.

>>382434948
BDO is probably better for PvP.
FFXIV is probably better for PvE.

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>>382435236
face is ugly a fuck
2/10 would not fap to

>>382435168
>actually defending it
:^)

>>382435236
>waifufags

>>382435292
So, Blizzard artificially putting up literal time lockouts is better? Are you retarded?

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>>382434926

anyone can do that you pathetic sub-100 IQ weebshit

Stormblood is hot garbage

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>>382435410
Don't be so salty. Good games are good for gamers.

>>382435292
>if you argue with me then you're wrong

literally the mentality of a child, congratulations

>>382435292
If you quested in the zones you would easily get honored tho, almost revered in some cases
And keys were fucking awesome

who /casual/ here

>>382435384
Not him, but the rep grind in BC sucked.

Vanilla did attenements right

>Pick up quest, clear a 1-2 dungeons, turn in quest, unlock raid

Were the quests super fun and exciting? No, but they weren't "Do Shattered halls 20 times to unlock, harder, shattered halls, so you can unlock kara"

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>>382435569
o/

>>382435628
Heroic dungeons were a mistake.

Bonus bosses were the way to go.

For every heroic/mythic/LFR mode dungeon or raid they have to design, they could add in another boss, or questline.

>>382435518

Shillblood is terrible, and the weebs playing it are definitely not good gamers. Mostly just a bunch of fat white neckbeards and legbeards erping out their fetishes.

>>382435628
I'd take BC or Vanilla over the "attunements' they put in Legion. Also, no attunement in BC was that hard. The Hyjal attunement was the longest but it was expected by Blizz that the attunement would take you the entire expansion/a year+ to finish

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>>382435814
We learn from the best.

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>>382435518
>good game
>TWO
>POINT
>FIVE
>SECOND
>GLOBAL COOLDOWN

>>382433976

it's okay

most of those people were meme casuals. It's just the die-hards left now

>>382427309
Pre launch was fun, first three months were okay.

You should've unsubbed before ToV

>>382435979
>b-but muh 1 class that gets to use abilities while on GCD

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>>382435979
y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-you s-s-s-s-shut up!

>>382435859
Funny how the suceeded too.

I just -really- hope people don't see the inflated overestemated shillblood numbers and think "Oh hey, they copied WOW, we should too!" and start another 10 year wave of shitty WOW clones.

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>>382435979
>ffxivfags shillpost while waiting for their global cooldown
i believe it

>>382427309
Here are (You)r rupees, Pajeet.

>>382436152
>not even half a million active players merely weeks after the expansion launched
>suceeded

>>382432828
>they're wondering why people are quitting
They don't wonder and they don't care.

>>382435703
I don't know about that. Coming up with new boss mechanics that are fun is pretty hard.
I'm assuming what you mean is you have one difficulty, but certain bosses or areas have heroic or mythic-tier difficulty?

>>382436152
I assume after the middling successes or outright failures of big budget MMOs of the past 10 years of trying to do exactly that means there probably won't be ANY new MMORPGs of FFXIV or WoW's scale anytime soon.

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>In the Argus update, you fly a space ship over to Argus and drop pod down onto the planet to take the fight to the legion

I dont need to resub, I don't need to resub, I don't need to resub.

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>>382436110

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>>382435979
>Tfw used to fall for this meme
>Tfw realized how full of shit it is
>Tfw laugh at how XIV still has better combat

>>382432828
>Why did I even bother with nightmare/nighthold when these welfare items give me 850+ gear, and the vendored ones are 880+
because they don't drop tier
checkmate

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>>382436301
Don't you ever talk to my subscribers or my subscribers' mothers ever again!

>>382432724
That completely proactive playstyle made it far too easy.
Current Disc requires much more intimate knowledge of encounters and much more awareness as constant management of both friendly and enemy targets is necessary.

Legion Disc is setting up a situation where you are able to react to certain sets of circumstances and maintaining it.
MoP Disc is setting up a situation where it doesn't matter what happens.

Preventing damage will always be easier than reacting to it as most healers do, which itself is easier than current Disc style of establishing a framework and reacting simultaneously.

Comparing MoP's braindead Atonement to the current form in terms of difficulty is a joke.

>>382436404
t. wrote this post while waiting for the gcd

My main complain with XIV is lack of content. I got my SAM to 70 and did all the content I can do within a week and unless I want to level stuff for fun or grind cosmetic/collectibles, there is fuck all to do.

>>382433265
>wanna raid with my alts since i did the raid with my guild alrdy
>LINK CURVE

pug raiding was a mistake

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>>382436110
>Some guy who only made it to level three thinks he knows everything about the combat
>>382436510
I actually just resubbed to Legion, an hour in and I fucking regret it. HPally feels like shit.

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>>382429565
So I can shit on Legion

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>>382436520
>unless I want to level stuff for fun or grind cosmetic/collectibles

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maybe if ffxiv didn't have such an ugly weebshit aesthetic i might be willing to give it a chance

until then, i'll just continue going cold turkey on the dead genre that is MMOs

>>382436651
I don't really plan on playing and other DoW/DoM and I was never much of a mount or petfag so I don't really get anything for farming the Ixion/Fox fate. All I can do is either sit on my hands until Omega or farm primals for the new mounts.

>>382436428
You can get your Xmogs when you can solo the dungeon next expansion anyway.

>>382436550
Isn't curve linkable on alts? Like, it says you haven't completed it on that character, but you have on another?

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>>382436596
>TFW Thrall had to cheat to beat Garrosh

I miss WC3 Thrall.

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Can someone post Odyn being tired of that foul jew's game?

>>382436806
WC3 thrall wasn't even that strong.

Nignog got knocked the fuck out, Garrosh had to save his ass.

He also summoned wolves and shit to do most of the fighting for him while he shot lightning, of course he was going to get his shit kicked in by a guy who is a real warrior.

>>382436727
>someone who plays wow complaining about another games aesthetics

>>382436935
WoWs Aesthetic isnt stupid shitty weebgarbage

>>382436919
>Garrosh
Grommosh, fuck.

>>382436768
This. It's like when I play Uncharted. I don't bother with the campaign. I go straight to the MP and that's all I do.

>>382436774
what the fuck are you on? are you retarded, or just a newfag who doesn't know about set bonuses?

>>382436935
>plays
only desperate ffxiv shills can be this illiterate

>>382437002
>complaining about weeb shit
>on 4chan
Do you know where you are?

>>382437039
Set bonuses are arbitrary, and again, why the fuck would I care about set bonuses on gear that are a direct downgrade.

Sure there might be a few bullshit ones, like assassination's nighthold set being leagues better then the TOS set bonus to the point where you'd want to keep that 4 peice bonus, but to most people, why the fuck would I spend 10-40 hours a week, for 3 months, only to have it overwritten by welfare mechanics.

>>382436919
The point wasn't that WC3 Thrall was strong, it was that he was a proper warrior Orc who occasionally shot lightning bolts. None of this clothie faggot pacifist shit who cheats in a mak'gora.

>>382437203
okay so you're just retarded

Why the fuck doesn't someone just make a server using cata or MoP as a basis and then recreate vanilla in it? I miss the stuff they added in the later expansions. The other continents could get scaled down to level 60 and would be month long expeditions/events and then they close down and boot everyone back to kalimdor.

>>382437126
Im a shitty weeb too but xiv is too weeb for me

>>382437224
Give me one example from WC3 of thrall winning a one on one fight.

No, he gets scared of a birdman dream.

>>382437250
So you can't answer the question.

Just stay on your endless treadmill then, im sure all those mythic fags will care about your DPS.

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>>382437305
>Entertain my strawman!!

>>382431962

why do you keep posting this. prot has been fine the entire expansion, even nighthold magic damage didn't mean they were unplayable.

I was salty at the devastator/ultimatum changes in 7.1.5 too but they actually made the class do a lot more damage and shit.

>>382437402
not gonna give some faggot the pleasure of entertaining him when he insists that 2+2 equals 5
this is the last (You) you'll get from me

>>382437587
Still haven't answered the question.

Because you cannot.

>>382430007
Or if you care about BiS gear, because set bonuses and trinkets.

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>>382437402

>m-muh free sandbox worrrld!!!!

Nigga no one fucking cares. Not a single sandbox MMO that's come out has been good. WoW as it is right now is far superior than the dogshit that was vanilla.

Get some fucking taste and at least praise something good like TBC.

>>382437695
That is going to be worse then what you can get heroic splitfarming next patch, or quest greens next expansion.

>>382437815
Even TBC didn't have this progression regression.

So answer me, why should I raid if all that effort is going to be replaced by welfare gear, every, single, patch.

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>>382437520
I fapped to this and i will fap until my death.
>mfw i will never be a shota fucking older women

>>382437961

but it isn't replaced by welfare gear every patch, I'm a Mythic raider and have replaced all my Nighthold Mythic gear with Tomb of Sargeras Mythic Gear

You don't even play the game. Just shut the fuck up lol.

>>382427309
I beg to differ, OP. I think the game does not have enough green fire.

>>382427309
What went perfectly is that I'm actively fucked over by not playing at launch. I mean, from what I understand Blizzard came up with a system that was purpose built to reward players who were there and fuck those who weren't. I haven't even considered coming back to the game this xpac. 10/10 would not play again.

>>382437520
delete this

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>Have to waste time doing boring ass quest chains to get flying

flying was a mistake from the get go but this is just obnoxious

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>tfw I play wow as a comfy game to play aftger work while I listen to music and let my mind completely zone out and nothing more
It's really more a meditative tool to me than a game.

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Yoooo I just summoned the special minion for Unholy hidden artifact skin.

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>>382438836

Nah flying was fine back in TBC because you merely had to pay for it. Actually time gating it by only being able to get it 6 months into an expac and only AFTER doing some bullshit grind added after those months is the real bullshit.

>mfw leddit actually defends it because 'I got to see the world and I wouldnt have if flying was avaliable from the start'

Serious fucking amount of retards on that site.

>>382431809
>Artifact weapons introducing another annoying fucking grind
The grind sort of stops after level 52 now. There's not much more incentive to push past that because each level only gives you some 0.2% DPS increase, which is minimal. 52 is piss easy to get.
>Class halls are a nuisance more than anything else
Seems like an opinion here. I liked the class hall stories, but I do agree they shouldn't have been timegated behind the missions that take like 10h to complete. Makes starting up an alt really annoying. Those missions should've been made instant in patch 7.1.
>A random legendary item can drop, completely altering your gameplay and performance to ridiculous levels
Agree, legendaries were poorly implemented. Also, they should've never had performance boosts in the form of effects, should've been limited to utility and defensives. It's pretty bullshit that someone that didn't win the lottery will always be gimped towards every other player that has it. Thankfully I got my bis early on, but I'm in the minority.
>Everything is timegated
Not as bad now as it was at launch, but I'll give you this one
>More useless fucking rep grinds in which you can't just wear a tabard and call it a day
I'd agree, but apart from Revered Nightfallen at launch (to run CoS and Arcway mythic) and Revered Legionfall (to be able to fly), there's really no point to reps. They're all pretty useless. don't even have mounts in them anymore. And you get them to exalted easily anyway just by doing emissary quests every day, so I don't really understand your point. It's like 15 minutes a day of work.
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>>382437815
>WoW as it is right now is far superior than the dogshit that was vanilla.
Exploring with optimistic strangers. That one day when everyone realizes the only thing setting us apart from the level 60's is gear. I really have always hated raiding and the raiding mentality.

>>382438836
>>382439148
I absolutely hate that defense for no flying. It's complete bullshit. I feel like I genuinely saw more of the world by flying through it. Just let me buy it and be done with it. The sudden philosophy of "no flying" that Blizzard gained at the start of WoD made no sense.

outside boring fetch quests and dungeons, wow offers absolutely nothing. there's no player driven economy, there's no depth to crafting and the world itself feels empty and sterile.

it's a themepark and I do not understand how someone can go on the same ride for years and not get bored.

but then again, the western MMO audience is terrible so it's only fitting they are gathered in a terrible game.

>>382431809
>>382439217
>Titanforging still exists, so you're encouraged to just fucking grind forever, you'll never truly have a BiS because there's a chance you can get a super duper delicious 2.0 version of the same fucking piece of gear
Agree, shit's dumb and needs to be curbed. A piece of gear should never ever titanforge more than the gear that drops in the next difficulty. As it stands, someone can run LFR, get lucky, and get a trinket higher ilvl than a Mythic raiding guild will ever see drop the entire tier. It's pretty fucking bullshit, and has no place in a game like WoW.
>Reforging was removed right when hit/expertise were removed, instead of never having to worry about those two shit stats ever again and having fun reforging the stats you prefer, now we're forced to be stuck with awful fucking stats like VERSATILITY, THE STAT THAT ISN'T INTERESTING IN THE SLIGHTEST
Also agree, but this wasn't done in Legion. Multistrike was a much more interesting stat than Versatility ever was, and that was just a different form of Crit. We need shit like armor pen back.
>Existence of the artifact system completely wastes time for the player because switching a spec isn't simple anymore, you have to grind out all the abilities to make the spec truly useful
As said before, you really only need rank 52 to be competitive. Any further than that is pretty pointless. A whole month of grinding will get you maybe 5-6 points that make up about 1% higher DPS. It's useless. Getting to 52 at maximum Artifact Knowledge takes less than a week from rank 0.
>Having alts will make a person want to kill themselves because nothing carries over, you have to do all this over and over again on every single character, getting up to speed on another max level character is a massive pain in the ass now
You can buy maximum artifact knowledge for your alts now and get your artifact maxed out at 52 before you even get your third relic slot. From there, it's as fast as it was before Legion.

>>382439148
flying was and always will be a mistake. Has no place in an MMO

>>382431705
you just revealed you play on moonguard, degenerate.

>>382429565

Pretty much just shitposting. Legion is just D3 with bit less grinding

>>382439592
Gliders were one of my favorite things in archeage. Powered flight, I agree with you, but having fun while moving is the future.

>>382437815
>WoW as it is right now is far superior than the dogshit that was vanilla.

Maybe, but it'll never be as good a TBC/WOTLK. The numbers prove it too :^)

>>382439217

Nigga what was the point of this post? You basically couldve said >this and your post would be the same.

Also semi-defending a grind tied to your weapon is ridiculous. You never needed to do any bullshit except acquire a weapon throughout WoW's lifetime until this expac. AP Grind is such a huge fucking mistake and insanely flawed just like Legendaries are, you dont feel as if youre getting stronger when you grind AP, you feel like youre finally climbing out of the hole and getting to the standard, this is the same for legendaries.

I seriously got all of the worst legendaries for my main before getting one of the best ones right before quitting and gaining 60k dps increase due to getting the right legendary for once is insanely infuriating. I wasnt playing any better or worse and yet I was doing that much better due to finally getting 1 good item after months due to rng.

>>382439763
Gliders are fine. Boats and regular mounts too. But flying just shrinks the world and puts player sin their own little bubble in the sky

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Stop creating WoW threads you fucksack.


I've been holding myself about resubbing, but every time i remember how shitty legion was i put my wallet down, FUCK OFF shill

>>382439798
Wrath was actually worse than Cata, regardless of sub numbers

probe me wrong

>>382440163
I'll probe your asshole something wrong

>>382440163
Wrath was the beginning of the end...but still better than Cata I think.

TBC was damn near perfect for me though and I wasn't a hardcore raider.

>>382439592

Theres no good argument you can make which will change my mind about flying not being good. The game world is too big and open for flying to be detrimental.

The classic argument is that flying ruined world pvp. Except that world pvp was already ruined with the introduction of bgs. Flying came WAY after bgs. Also I pvp'd the most in the entire time I played WoW during TBC, which ironically enough is the expac where flying was introduced and was able to be acquired the easiest/fastest.

So dont give me that bullshit that flying ruined pvp or its a mistake. All it does is make you able to get where you need to go faster. If you want to pvp, youll find it.

Also lets not forget that the actual killer of world pvp and any sense of realm community is xrealm phasing and linking realms as well.

>>382439843
>Nigga what was the point of this post? You basically couldve said >this and your post would be the same.
The fuck are you even going on about here, retard?

>Also semi-defending a grind tied to your weapon is ridiculous.
MMOs are grinds. Are you new to this MMO thing or something?
>You never needed to do any bullshit except acquire a weapon throughout WoW's lifetime until this expac.
Each expansion has its gimmick, for Legion it was Artifact weapons. You don't like it, fine, others do. I personally thought it was okay even with its shortcomings. Besides, you say this like there were no other grinds before Legion. They were always in the game in some form or another.
>AP Grind is such a huge fucking mistake and insanely flawed just like Legendaries are, you dont feel as if youre getting stronger when you grind AP, you feel like youre finally climbing out of the hole and getting to the standard, this is the same for legendaries.
AP grind is fucking easy as shit, it's so fucking fast it's not even funny. You can get to Concordance rank in less than a fucking week in an alt. You get it in like 2 weeks if you started up a new account and got to cap today. How is that bullshit? It's the easiest fucking grind this game has ever had.
Did you even read my post? I was bashing on legendaries too, you goddamn mongoloid. It's a shitty system, and I didn't defend that. Can you even read?
>I seriously got all of the worst legendaries for my main before getting one of the best ones right before quitting and gaining 60k dps increase due to getting the right legendary for once is insanely infuriating.
60k DPS is fucking nothing though. People are doing upwards of 1.2M DPS on most Tomb of Sargeras fights. Have you considered that you're fucking shit at the game? And in that case, why do legendaries even matter to you? Yes, they're a fucking shit system, but you don't need to care about them if all you do is LFR or Normal.

>>382440339
>The game world is too big and open for flying to be detrimental.
No, it fucking isn't. It's tiny. You can fly across the map in a literal minute.

>>382439090
what class?

>>382440261
Cata had better instances while lacking in every area wrath also lacked in

>>382440492

Please make a video of you flying across even the broken isles in 1 minute.

>>382440339
>The game world is too big and open for flying to be detrimental

Why is the world being big and open a dtriment? You sound like a fag who just wants to que for everything and not actually be in a shared world with other players.
Flying is shit and turns the world into a glorified lobby in the sky. You're safe from all harm, able to completely ignore enemies and content on a whim.

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I'm leveling up a priest right now because I want to see some of the end game content of this expansion, and have a bit of nostalgia.

I've fucking NEVER seen the game this dead. Holy shit, even with cross realm zones, the game is absolutely dead. No one is leveling up anything anymore, no one is exploring old content, it's just me doing quests all by myself.

Even back in BC before cross realm zones were a thing, when I was on a low pop server, the zones were less dead than this.

>>382440398

>lacking reading comprehension

lol. 60k dps increase to you means 60k overall? Please stop posting.

>>382440634
Fair enough. but Cata had the overhaul to stats and itemization, and also removed reforging and any depth that gear had. Cata is the expansion that made gear boring.

>>382439148
>2017 /v/ likes flying and calls those who don't reddit
Jesus fuck what happened to this place?

>void sylvanass
enjoy alliance players you'll get to kill another "horde" character

>>382427309
>The absolute best the game has ever been.

bahahaha

>>382440840
Welcome to modern WoW. Everything must be nice and convenient or its shit. This is who the game caters to now. Fuck the world, I just wanna get to the raidz man!!!!

>>382427638
World quests are a better form of dailies. At least we're not stuck in the Argent Tournament or Vale of Eternal Blossoms.

>>382441041
> Argent Tournament

Goddamn I hated Wrath. It was the writing on the wall for this game.

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>>382440717
People do anything to get to 110 as fast as possible. I've been having fun leveling cooking and fishing as I go, slow and steady.

>>382440726
>lacing reading comprehension
Lmaoing @u. I actually meant 60k DPS. People are doing upwards of 1.2M DPS on fights. Not 1.2M DAMAGE, but DPS. 60k DPS is 5% difference, that's fucking nothing. If you truly are a good player, that 5% difference is nothing against shit players.

Too bad you're just another shitter barely good enough to do Normal, if 60k DPS difference is that much to you. Git gud, faglord. And learn to read while you're at it, it's the 2nd time you miss important stuff in a post, only to call out on something basic you yourself are failing to do. Fucking mongoloid.

>>382441041
>World quests are a better form of dailies

Dailies shouldn't be in the game.

>>382439148
Flying was fine in BC, because unless you worked your ass off to get an epic flying mount, ground mounts were literally faster (blue flying mounts were only 70% speed back then), so there was really no reason to fly other than to get to areas where flying was necessary.

Even so, I guess I never understood the flying mount hate. I was also on a PVE server.

>>382440812
Cata added reforging

>>382441231
>I was also on a PVE server.

hurr durr

>>382427309
It's loaded with bad design decisions, but every WoW expansion has bad shit. There's at least some potentially good stuff, but things like class design and RNG loot stifle it.

>>382440812
>Cata is the expansion that made gear boring.

That was bc you stupid asshole

>>382441210

I was doing near 1mil dps before I stopped raiding on H NH. Youre absolutely fucking retarded and deserve literal brain cancer.

>>382428879
did you miss the part where you can get AK40 in literally hours and getting to concordance takes about a week of literally anything?
Concordance traits are nearly meaningless, so that argument is already invalid.

>>382441339
>but things like class design and RNG loot stifle it.

Along with everything else. There's only one good thing about these latest expansions - the environment design

>>382441403
BC made PVP gear fucking stupid. It was literally the same from vanilla to BC PvE gear.

>>382441225
Dailies have been in the game since BC. What other kind of endgame could there be?

>>382441458
>did you miss the part where you can get AK40 in literally hour

Why bother? ITS FUCKING BORING

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>>382427309
Im not familiar with Warcraft Lore after so many expansions....
But what will be the destiny of Varian and Yrel Sons?
What are their names?

>>382441416
>I was doing near 1mil dps before I stopped raiding on H NH.
Maybe in Skorpyron and with no one else attacking the adds, you were. But your retarded ass can't even realize I was talking about single target.
Go fuck yourself, you dumb kid. You couldn't even counter any of my other points and had to resort to trying to spin the DPS part about legendaries. You're probably garbage at the game anyway, so good riddance. Go pad your AOE DPS numbers elsewhere, no one cares about how hard you stroke your dick in add fights.

>>382441315
Was just admitting to it so I don't come off as phony.

World PVP has never really been that fun though. It's usually just me getting mad at the asshole who keeps ganking me while I'm trying to do a quest until I eventually just go somewhere else

>>382441616
Ashes to ashes and Dust to Dust.

>>382441523
>It was literally the same from vanilla to BC PvE gear

lol no, BC started the 2-important-stats-only trend. It could have gone places, better places, but they decided to dumb it down after Vanilla.

>>382441565
>What other kind of endgame could there be?

I hope you never design anything ever

>>382440339
No flying forces map designers to make actual good maps with roads that make sense, hidden areas have hidden roads leading to them, you can get mostly everywhere without flying.
No flying allows for actual exploration of the environment, rather than what you're doing when flying; finding things. On foot you have to find a way to get to where you need to be. With flying you just point to where you want to go and press W.
Flying is fucking garbage, but unlocking it after everyone's had their fill of the maps is the best solution.

>>382441742
>I hope you never design anything ever
That's not an answer.

>>382441847
It literally is an answer

>>382441752
>but unlocking it after everyone's had their fill of the maps is the best solution.
just do what wotlk and tbc did
flying unlocket at max level or 2-3 levels before max level , that makes sense i think
not this bullshit of wod
>when we enable flying will be just like a switch
>flying is full of bugs and invisible walls 2 years after exp release

>>382441729
great, gotta update the wiki because didnt found anything about them there.

>>382441670

I played rogue.